odds are odds....regardless of coincidences

Reply #34

visiondude — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:59:20 GMT

lottoways, that was more than .02 cents worth. enjoyed your take . i feel the same way. as it pertains to my life i reduce the odds or mathemtical factor to 50/50. either i will win , or i won't. depending on whether it's my turn or not. you sir have VISION..........visiondude

Reply #33

Lottoways — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:37:54 GMT

Hi Todd, Will and everyone ,.....glad to meet you all !!!!All I know is that when I make more bets.........I win more.You can call it what you want....Increasing my chances orlowering the odds.....But it's true and it works.We all know that.I know that it's all random drawings and any number can come up ,but there are other factors involved that, not me or anyone can figure out and they are:Why is it that some people are lucky more than others?(We all know someone that's allways winning somethin... [ More ]

Reply #32

Todd — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:23:18 GMT

I'm glad you see it that way now, because your original statement was: If the odds of picking the winning set of numbers is 1 in 1,000,000, then buying two tickets for a game with those odds DOES NOT give you 2 in 1,000,000. You did not say anything about DOUBLING your chances.-Todd

Reply #31

Will Robinson — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:06:02 GMT

I think you'll find I said the same thing in different words in my last post. I was trying to correct the people who think buying a second ticket will increase their chances by cutting the odds in half .Going from 1:1,000,000 to 2:1,000,000 does not double your chances of 'picking the winner' on either ticket.Doubling your opportunity to have the winner is not the same as cutting the odds against you in half ie; one ticket = 1:1,000,000 two tickets=2:1,000,000so two tickets gives you 2 possibil... [ More ]

Reply #30

Todd — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:44:06 GMT

Not true. The overlapping numbers happen when you calculate all 1,000,000 possibilities. i.e., 1-2-3-4-5 is possibility #1, 1-2-3-4-6 is possibility #2, etc. If you buy both tickets you will have made your odds 2 in 1,000,000, even though 4 out of 5 numbers overlap.-Todd

Reply #13

Will Robinson — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:25:26 GMT

No edit capability on this board, I couldn't correct my mistake re: cutting odds in half.Please see my post : https://www.lotterypost.com/msgdetail.asp?mid=16281 to see where I was coming from in my original take on lotto odds etc.

Reply #29

Will Robinson — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:03:11 GMT

The process for picking the numbers on the second ticket allow for some, or all, of the same numbers chosen for the first ticket. Therefore the number pool you are chosing from is the same for each ticket, therefore the odds of picking the one winning combination is the same. IF you pick the numbers yourself , AND exclude numbers chosen on the first ticket, THEN you have reduced the numbers available in the pool and have ever so slightly increased you chances.My original observation was based on... [ More ]

Reply #12

Will Robinson — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:52:51 GMT

Not quite, since there is nothing stopping you from having all, or some, of the same numbers on both tickets.If you use the quick pick feature, and buy two tickets, it is possible to have the same number on each ticket so the odds are the same for each set of numbers.The only way to always cut the odds in half would be to lower the number of choices in the number pool.

Reply #11

Loops — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 04:43:29 GMT

Will, you're wrong. If you were talking about two seperate drawings, you'd be right, BUT in the same drawing your odds are (number of tickets purchased) / (total number of combinations), so instead of 1/135mil you'll have 2/135mil, and since the total # of combinations is a constant, therefore when your numerator increases, the sum(your odds) increases.

Reply #28

EZMoney — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 02:02:35 GMT

VERY WELL SAID

Reply #27

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:36:57 GMT

In response to statement #2, Certainty of randomness does not mean zero deviations except in infinity, which is never reached. While the lottery machines may not be totally random, it's random enough. To even began to predict the balls you would have to test just one machine, with one set of balls hundreds of thousands if not millions of times. The lottery programs are based on (false)mathimatics, not mechanical differences of the lottery machines. This is your website Todd, so if you tell me to... [ More ]

Reply #26

emilyg — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:49 GMT

thank you, todd.

Reply #25

Todd — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:53:07 GMT

Just to set the record straight on a few points mentioned in this thread:1. Buying the 2nd ticket DOES increase your odds to 2 in 1,000,000. The difference is miniscule, but mathematically, those are the odds.2. For all intents and purposes, the lottery drawings are random . However, the scientific fact is that the lottery machines are just that: machines. Mankind has NEVER produced any machine that is 100% random. To say that lottery balls have no memory is not the issue. Perhaps there is one

Reply #22

visiondude — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:23:28 GMT

lottoneel, he doesn't hate me. he just doesn't like when god is mentioned. that is his problem with me. it's ok.......... V

Reply #20

visiondude — Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:18:11 GMT

mark, first of all i apologize. i may have at certain times made myself un-clear. if you haven't read alot of my posts you have a right to feel confused. i have been keying on the contention that the lottery is random. that people in here cannot predict the actual numbers. here is my explanantion. there is no conflict. (1) i believe that no one can predict which numbers come up during any given drawing. the lottery balls have no memory, no history. they cannot communicate with one another. in... [ More ]

Reply #21

lottoneel — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:51:35 GMT

EZ,whats ur problem? why should you use such a bad language here and why do u have to hate V so much...If you do nt like what he says let people decide and you do not have to read his stuff. Hope you would care from now on not to use such a language here...take care..

Reply #19

mark — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:40:14 GMT

I know I 'm jumping out on a limb here, and I'm really not trying to start anything,But I just half to ask this question.If you believe in god, and of course you do,then how can you believe that any thing is random ?This is puzzling to me.

Reply #10

RJOh — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:09:57 GMT

EZ you don't understand Robinson's math. If he flips a coin and you say it will be head or tail, you will have a 1:2 chance of being right instead of 2:2 even though you called both head and tail. It's the new logic that that so many are posting these days.RJOh

Reply #18

visiondude — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:00:41 GMT

ez , i know that you think that god is disengaged with his creation, at least as it concerns yourself. i am fine with that. but god is not disengaged as much as you think he is. i am only going to say this, time will tell if i am right and you are only blowing smoke . sidenote: i got overmyself along time ago, which is why i see god..............visiondude

Reply #24

RJOh — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:54:31 GMT

If I buy 52 different combinations, I figure my odds of winning to be 1:2,598,960 , but that using the math I was taught. Will Robinson got his math and so do everyone else, but who cares if you pick a winner?RJOh

Reply #9

EZMoney — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:43:26 GMT

ok time to go do your 2nd grade homework. what you just said was idiotic. know what youre saying before you say it.

Reply #17

EZMoney — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:32:09 GMT

god does not control the lottery. you get over yourself.

Reply #23

JAP69 — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:30:53 GMT

The odds of the mm game is 1:135,145,920 But I can buy 52 tickets and my odds will be 1:2,649,920John

Reply #8

Will Robinson — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:24:54 GMT

No you have two chances to win at 1 in a million.Your chances aren't twice as good, you would have to cut the number choices in half to have 2 in a million.

Reply #16

visiondude — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:38:47 GMT

ez , who do you think that you are? i don't give a rip what you think. i thought that you were not going to read my posts. try a little more self control. you obviously don't like what i have to say. too bad. i have every right to be in here stating my opionion as long as i play by the rules. i have not violated any. just because you don't like what i have to sat doesn't mean squat. when and if i break the rulres todd will kick me off. you can cuss in here and no one does anything about it, gi... [ More ]

Reply #7

Thomas Covenant — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:17:53 GMT

Reply #15

EZMoney — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:07:12 GMT

so what. the lottery is random. and if you think im going to sit here and listen to your bs about it being somebodys turn to win, you can kiss my a$$. lay off the religion and talk lotto. i have not seen you in here give any predictions or talk strategy.

Reply #6

visiondude — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:05:23 GMT

thomas, you , i or anyone cannot predict the numbers for any given lottery. but based on our private converstaions you know exactly where i am coming from and exactly what i meant. in that respect, that part of the lottery is NOT random. (of course that is my opinion). just because you may not understand or accept how things work, does not mean it is not true. questions do have answers. but if one wants the answer, they must except the explanation even if they don't like the explanation. as... [ More ]

Reply #5

Thomas Covenant — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:51:30 GMT

I really don't think that we are taking turns winning the various lotteries. If we are how is the list compiled? To me the parents of that little girl who needs a liver I saw on a jar in a convinence store probably needs it more than most of the people who have won.

Reply #4

visiondude — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:44:38 GMT

you want the real odds? it doesn't matter how many tickets you buy. if it is your turn (some people know what i mean by that), then it you are the next big winner. with a game like mega-millions at 1 in a 135 million odds, it never seems to amaze me how people will throw 50, 100 , 200 dollars when there is a large jackpot THINKING it will increase their odds. one dollar will suffice. anything else is a waste of money. but some people have money to waste ........visiondude

Reply #3

Thomas Covenant — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:35:21 GMT

This is where it gets picky on wording. The odds are 1:1,000,000 no matter how many tickets you buy, but your chances increase the more tickets you buy.

Reply #14

visiondude — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:21:50 GMT

danger will robinson, i couldn't resist my reference to the character played in the old tv series lost in space .the reference is ironic and fits perfectly in here because they are some people in here who are lost in space . i have challenged them to prove they can predict , they are still silent. the lottery is RANDOM and no one can predict it. people that are desperate and don't know any difference fall for this stuff. education at least gives them the abilty to make a better choice. than... [ More ]

Reply #2

EZMoney — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:20:14 GMT

youre wrong. if you buy 2 tickets you have 2 combos out of a million, so mathematically your odds are 2 in a million. what school did you go to

Reply #1

OldHank — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:44:46 GMT

So true, so true.But, there will always be those who don't agree.

odds are odds....regardless of coincidences

Will Robinson — Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:09:11 GMT

If the odds of picking the winning set of numbers is 1 in 1,000,000, then buying two tickets for a game with those odds DOES NOT give you 2 in 1,000,000.Playing the same numbers over and over again does not increase the chances of those numbers being winners. Every time there is a draw those numbers have the same chance of coming up that they had the first time.Further, if some numbers have been winners more often than others, it does not mean they are more likely to come up again as winners. In... [ More ]