The Challenge

Reply #24

visiondude — Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:40:11 GMT

sedertree, did we ever reach an agreement as to when we would start the challenge. did you ever pick a state and game. remember that you need to post (somewhere) your picks everyday and how much you bet (i don't know because i don't play those kinds of games). let me know so that we can formalize this. i am interested in the outcome.................visiondude

Reply #23

Sedertree — Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:06:08 GMT

Visiondude,Perhaps I was a bit hasty in my accessment of your intent. I'm glad that we have all come to an understanding of what my software can and cannot do.At the very least my software will keep the player on the winning end of the stick. At it's best it will produce a hit the following draw. That part of it is random. I never know how my software will perform. What I do know is that it has kept me in the black for over a year.I was wondering if you understood the One Formula. It is... [ More ]

Reply #22

visiondude — Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:01:59 GMT

sedertree, i would like to amend our little challenge, one that is more than fair. thank's to rjoh and more conversation with you, i understand better now what it is that you claim you can do. you claim that your software can OVER TIME produce more wins than losses for the person who purchases your system. i can see why my original challenge to you seemed unfair. there is a difference between picking numbers everytime instead of producing a profit over time. do i have this right now?just so y... [ More ]

Reply #21

smd173 — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:08:36 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Sedertree on August 27 2002 4.If Sedertree loses: Sales of the current version of his software will be suspended.Sedertree,I like your idea of the challenge. I commend you for offering this challenge. However, I have two questions. Under item #4 you say that if you lose you will SUSPEND sales of the CURRENT version of your software. #1) How long will you SUSPEND sales for? Two weeks? Indefinitely? #2) You say CURRENT version. What would prdvent you from losing, then

Reply #20

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:04:35 GMT

Tom,Here are the n

Reply #19

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:48:37 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Thomas Covenant on August 27 2002 Quote: Originally posted by Thomas Covenant on August 27 2002 Which state is this data from?692 Predicted - 296 Hit (5 Days Later) BOX =816 Predicted - 816 Hit (7 Days Later) STR = $250.00812 Predicted - 182 Hit (12 Days Later) BOX =616 Predicted - 616 Hit (13 Days Later) STR = $250.00692 Predicted - 296 Hit (4 Days Later) BOX =816 Predicted - 816 Hit (6 Days Later) STR = $250.00812 Predicted - 182 Hit (11 Days Later) BOX =616 Predict... [ More ]

Reply #18

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:38:15 GMT

Tom,

Go to this page and check the links in my post:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/61629

...../George

Reply #17

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:19:16 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Thomas Covenant on August 27 2002 Which state is this data from?692 Predicted - 296 Hit (5 Days Later) BOX =816 Predicted - 816 Hit (7 Days Later) STR = $250.00812 Predicted - 182 Hit (12 Days Later) BOX =616 Predicted - 616 Hit (13 Days Later) STR = $250.00692 Predicted - 296 Hit (4 Days Later) BOX =816 Predicted - 816 Hit (6 Days Later) STR = $250.00812 Predicted - 182 Hit (11 Days Later) BOX =616 Predicted - 616 Hit (12 Days Later) STR = $250.00616 Predicted - 616

Reply #16

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:01:20 GMT

Visiondude,It

Reply #15

RJOh — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:43:52 GMT

To ThomasThanks for the link. Went there and decided, one needs to have a clear mind to understand the theory. Will go back when I've had a good night sleep.RJOh

Reply #14

RJOh — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:40:27 GMT

As I see it, Sedertree is not saying he can predict the next numbers to come up, but that he has a system of picking numbers that will beat the odds and make money. Like a skilled poker or blackjack player, he knows the deck of cards and only so many results are possible, so he can play with odds slightly in his favor.Pick3 drawings may be random, but there are only 1000 possible outcomes and if you are playing boxed combination, there are only 220 possible outcomes. He not predicting numbers,... [ More ]

Reply #13

visiondude — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:06:46 GMT

GUY'S, i only know of one probability density . it is my brains in-ability to decifer mathematical equations. how about we keep this simple so we don't loose the feeble minded (like me). do your thing george. forget the big words and show us your stuff . that is the formula in it's most reduced form. it is kind of funny how everyone uses all this technical hoobla (the rock) in order to try and convince people that they are on to something. it's all about marketing to the simple pe... [ More ]

Reply #12

visiondude — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:52:25 GMT

sedertree, first i am glad that you responded. at least you are a stand up guy and are willing to prove your theory and not run and hide like the others in here. i commend you for that. in my book, if one makes heady claims, they better be able to back it up. seems you are willing to do that and i respect you for it.while i am never one to back down from a challenge, your counter challenge to me doesn't make sense. this is not a me against you to see who has a better system . i have never... [ More ]

Reply #11

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:35:15 GMT

Rjoh,I will try to keep this simple:The formula in my signature is not the formula that I was speaking of. That formula I referred to in the challenge was part of another post that I deleted by mistake, which was:O/N = EO=OddsN=NumbersE=Number of EventsOr the One Formula....So if O was equal to the odds of hitting a straight 3-Digit number (1,000) and N was equal to eight numbers. Then E would equal 125 dvents.You can replace O with any Odds that you like. Let's take the odds of hitting a 6... [ More ]

Reply #10

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:21:41 GMT

RJOh, of course this forum can't handle the font, But the formula can be found at:http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Probability_density_function

Reply #9

RJOh — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:51:19 GMT

To Sedertree:In your formular, what do the box , latin c and dx represent and where does the random varialble X come from? The formular sounds impressive, but what can you do with probability density once you know it?RJOh

Reply #8

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:46:17 GMT

Tom,This challenge is for a specific state. The one in which visiondude resides in to be more specific. For the record I have no idea what state he lives in. This challenge isn't about throwing eight numbers out across the entire United States. This is one states pick-3 game....../George

Reply #7

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:39:47 GMT

P.S. This data was for the Michigan Game that I predict.

Reply #6

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:39:13 GMT

Nope, it doesn't satisfy me. Real World bottom line is that I will buy a lottery program if it makes me money. I can't play every pick 3 in every state so this program would have to consistently predict more winning numbers than losing numbers just in my state. Having a contest between you and visiondude over who can pick the first winning number isn't consistent.

Reply #5

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:21:58 GMT

1.Vision Dude will go down to his lottery retailer and buy eight 3-Digit Quick Picks (all straight bets). He will then post the Quick-Pick numbers here for everyone to see.2.I will crunch the numbers for his state and predict eight 3-Digit numbers (all straight bets). I will post mine for everyone to see also.3.The first set of eight numbers to predict a straight hit wins the challenge.4.If Sedertree loses: Sales of the current version of his software will be suspended.5.If Visiondude loses

Reply #4

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:12:09 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Thomas Covenant on August 27 2002 So you are claiming that you can get one hit out of 62 draws? If I bought 8 tickets for 62 draws I would have spent $496, if one hits I get $500. Not much of a profit. In item # 5 you state that if after 62 draws the contest is considered a draw. So are you saying that it is a good possiblity that you won't get a hit even after 62 draws? This means that even if I do get a hit in the second set of 62 draws I will be losing money. Not m... [ More ]

Reply #3

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:03:16 GMT

Which state is this data from?692 Predicted - 296 Hit (5 Days Later) BOX =816 Predicted - 816 Hit (7 Days Later) STR = $250.00812 Predicted - 182 Hit (12 Days Later) BOX =616 Predicted - 616 Hit (13 Days Later) STR = $250.00692 Predicted - 296 Hit (4 Days Later) BOX =816 Predicted - 816 Hit (6 Days Later) STR = $250.00812 Predicted - 182 Hit (11 Days Later) BOX =616 Predicted - 616 Hit (12 Days Later) STR = $250.00616 Predicted - 616 Hit (10 Days Later) STR = $250.00816 Predicted - 816 Hit (3-da... [ More ]

Reply #2

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:47:54 GMT

Tom, So are you saying that it is a good possiblity that you won't get a hit even after 62 draws? Not at all........./George-----------------------Repost:612-616-692-696-812-816-892-896 = $4 ($2 Mid and Eve) 4x13=$52.00612-616-692-696-812-816-892-896 = $4 ($2 Mid and Eve) 4x13=$52.00212-216-262-266-612-616-662-666 = $4 ($2 Mid and Eve) 4x13=$52.00215-216-265-266-815-816-865-866 = $4 ($2 Mid and Eve) 4x13=$52.00116-117-136-137-716-717-736-737 = $4 ($2 Mid and Eve) 4x13=$52.00$260.00 Spent (W... [ More ]

Reply #1

Thomas Covenant — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:36:22 GMT

So you are claiming that you can get one hit out of 62 draws? If I bought 8 tickets for 62 draws I would have spent $496, if one hits I get $500. Not much of a profit. In item # 5 you state that if after 62 draws the contest is considered a draw. So are you saying that it is a good possiblity that you won't get a hit even after 62 draws? This means that even if I do get a hit in the second set of 62 draws I will be losing money. Not much of a system you have there.

The Challenge

Sedertree — Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:23:48 GMT

1.Vision Dude will go down to his lottery retailer and buy eight 3-Digit Quick Picks (all straight bets). He will then post the Quick-Pick numbers here for everyone to see.2.I will crunch the numbers for his state and predict eight 3-Digit numbers (all straight bets). I will post mine for everyone to see also.3.Using the formula above, posting eight numbers give you odds of 1:125 of hitting a straight. Since we are trying to ascertain beating the house edge. We will drop these odds down to 1... [ More ]