where are you cheetah ??

Reply #47

visiondude — Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:07:59 GMT

harry, be patient, take

Reply #46

visiondude — Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:31:48 GMT

cheetah, i doubt anybody in he

Reply #45

harry613 — Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:58:34 GMT

Reply #44

lottocheatah — Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:19:47 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on December 13, 2002cheetah, anybody who is or might be interested in purchasing your system (lottery software) is only interested in one thing. that you can help them put more money in their pockets than they can do for themselves. not many people in here care about stats . stats can deceive and confuse people making them think that you can do something that they cannot do for themselves.i have cut thru all the spin and am representing the real world... [ More ]

Reply #43

RJOh — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:10:40 GMT

To LottocheatahThe odds in a 6/49 game are:6/6 = 1 : 13,983,8165/6 = 1 : 54,2014/6 = 1 : 10323/6 = 1 : 57So if you play 3,500 times you should expect to match 3 (3500/57) 64 times and match 4 (3500/1032) 3.4 times using random numbers, that not rocket science.When I figured the payout I used the Canadian lottery website where one play cost $1(Canadian) not a European site which charges $126 (U.S.) for one play for 10 weeks. I assume the extra $100 include fees and adjustments for the exchange... [ More ]

Reply #42

visiondude — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:49:56 GMT

cheetah, anybody who is or might be interested in purchasing your system (lottery software) is only interested in one thing. that you can help them put more money in their pockets than they can do for themselves. not many people in here care about stats . stats can deceive and confuse people making them think that you can do something that they cannot do for themselves. i have cut thru all the spin and am representing the real world players. you know, the ones that understand english (m... [ More ]

Reply #41

lottocheatah — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:08:55 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 10, 2002 Nik Barker (winner) score = 6126365 x 3/6 @ $10 = $6502 x 4/6 @ $100 = $2001 x 5/6 @ $1500 = $1500estimated winnings =$2350Lottocheatah score = 1001767 x 3/6 @ $10 = $6706 x 4/6 @ $100 = $600estimated winnings = $1270I've already showed how these payout projections are inherently wrong and not applicable, but lets take a look at the scores, which is what it is/was all about.The scores imply that although a Lotto Cheatah pick is worth nearly 3... [ More ]

Reply #40

lottocheatah — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:33:29 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 10, 2002 To Lottocheatah,I thought you were being up front with your responses to Visiondude until I went to the newsgroup rec.gambling.lottery at gooble.com and read the posts of Paul McCoy and your response to him. In those posts your score and the score of the winner(Nik Barker) were mentioned along with numbers matched and neither one of you matched enought to cover the cost of playing 3500 combinations.Nik Barker (winner) score = 6126365 x 3/6

Reply #39

lottocheatah — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:07:48 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 10, 2002 You had the answers to Visiondude questions all this time and used fussy math to avoid a real world answer. I have to agree with Paul McCoy - your software may pick a winner but so will a simple RNG or QP if you pick enough combinations and you are lucky. RJOhPaul McCoy? Oh yes, him. He wasn't in the competition. He's one of those naysayers who refuses to believe that the odds can be beaten. He's an import from another newsgroup. You can r... [ More ]

Reply #38

lottocheatah — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:39:34 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on December 10, 2002 RJ , man i am glad i waited a couple of days to respond to your suggesstion above about doing the math (3rd grade - lol). you know i can usually smell when something isn't right even if i am not sure how to go about proving it. even with your suggesstion i just felt that it still wouldn't accurately reveal the truth. i am greatful to you that you took the time to do something that i am not capable of. lotto cheetah has been fudging... [ More ]

Reply #37

lottocheatah — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:22:22 GMT

Reply #36

lottocheatah — Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:03:22 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by JAZZY JASPER on December 10, 2002 I buy 3-'quik pics'. Then play, the over-due #'s, they don't give me. In the past 2yrs- i've had 4of 5, twice, and lesser prizes 20 or30 times. I don't think 'any' program, works better than that, on a 'consistent' basis.The results say you would do just as good with 1 Lotto Cheatah pick or 3 times as good if you used Lotto Cheatah picks instead of quickpicks.

Reply #35

visiondude — Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:08:33 GMT

RJ , man i am glad i waited a

Reply #34

JAZZY JASPER — Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:58:19 GMT

I buy 3-'quik pics'. Then play, the over-due #'s, they don't give me. In the past 2yrs- i've had 4of 5, twice, and lesser prizes 20 or30 times. I don't think 'any' program, works better than that, on a 'consistent' basis. VisionDude, as usual, you're right! What so many of the 'brainiacs', with these programs fail to realize, is: If you can't, fold it up, put it in your pocket, and spend it the next day! IT DOESN'T COUNT!!! Green!!! is the color of the day in here. And out there too !!! Che... [ More ]

Reply #33

RJOh — Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:38:56 GMT

To Lottocheatah,I thought you were being up front with your responses to Visiondude until I went to the newsgroup rec.gambling.lottery at gooble.com and read the posts of Paul McCoy and your response to him. In those posts your score and the score of the winner(Nik Barker) were mentioned along with numbers matched and neither one of you matched enought to cover the cost of playing 3500 combinations.Nik Barker (winner) score = 6126365 x 3/6 @ $10 = $6502 x 4/6 @ $100 = $2001 x 5/6 @ $1500 = $150... [ More ]

Reply #32

RJOh — Mon, 09 Dec 2002 03:48:33 GMT

To Vision,I doubt if anyone can said for sure whether Lottocheatah came out ahead or not without checking all 3500 combinations posted and checking the payouts for each of those drawings , but check the post that Lottocheatah made December 06,2002 of the archive and do the math as he suggested allowing $10 for 3/6 and ~$100 for 4/6 and you can make a good estimate.Lotto Cheatah (Canada 6/49) game 5 results for Aug 10, 2002LottoCheatah 1 = 1,375 pts.1 x 4/6 =$1006 x 3/6 =$60LottoCheatah 2 = 114

Reply #31

visiondude — Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:36:58 GMT

cheetah, first of all let's get something straight. if you are running a business and you are asking people for their money in exchange for something that you claim to them that you can provide you had better have character and integrity as your paramount guiding principles otherwise you are going to be perceived as a hit and run artist. you are the one that approached me. i am merely holding you to the character/integrity principle. everytime you get nasty with me you lose credibilty. you think... [ More ]

Reply #30

lottocheatah — Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:42:35 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by lottocheatah on December 07, 2002 You will also find that these were not tickets, or bets, but entries into a world competition. I didn't win any money, or flying saucers or headbangers. I won point's, dude.Points!Tell you what, dude. You want to pay me my time to figure it out as though they were all bet, then I'll go back, dig up all the entries and run it through. It should take a couple of days, anyway. That's $1,600 my friend.If you like, I'll run through all the... [ More ]

Reply #29

lottocheatah — Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:51:00 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on December 06, 2002 cheetah, you still won't do what i asked you (figure the payouts over the 35 games). you keep trying to make this a points issue which in turn enables you to convince some people that they could do better odd's wise with your system than random selection.i know why you won't figure the payouts. it's because even after 3,500 picks using your system, you still lost money. that could be the only reason that you keep skirting the issue... [ More ]

Reply #28

lottocheatah — Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:46:14 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 06, 2002 Lotto CheatahIf you are saving 10 combinations for every depths setting from 50 to 500 (steps of 5) per game, then you are saving a list of 900 numbers to check for each game which increases the chances of you having a winner. I have been comparing your results with a list of 10 to 20 combinations per draw which I normally play. To get a fair comparison, I will need to create a list of 900 combinations per draw even if I can only affor... [ More ]

Reply #27

RJOh — Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:26:29 GMT

Lotto CheatahIf you are saving 10 combinations for every depths setting from 50 to 500 (steps of 5) per game, then you are saving a list of 900 numbers to check for each game which increases the chances of you having a winner. I have been comparing your results with a list of 10 to 20 combinations per draw which I normally play. To get a fair comparison, I will need to create a list of 900 combinations per draw even if I can only afford to play 10-20 of them to see if I get similar resul... [ More ]

Reply #26

visiondude — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:17:41 GMT

cheetah, you still won't do what i asked you (figure the payouts over the 35 games). you keep trying to make this a points issue which in turn enables you to convince some people that they could do better odd's wise with your system than random selection. i know why you won't figure the payouts. it's because even after 3,500 picks using your system, you still lost money. that could be the only reason that you keep skirting the issue and trying to make this a points issue. it was a points i... [ More ]

Reply #25

lottocheatah — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 05:29:24 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by lottocheatah on November 28, 2002 The World Cup of Lotto is now complete and the scores now posted at World Cup Lotto.Lotto Cheatah finished 1st for team Canada with 10,017 points but did not win the competition. Two players from Team UK came 1-2. Team USA came 3rd. Lotto Cheatah placed 4th overall.The game played is 6/49. Scoring for the competition is the actual odds (ie; 57 points for 3/6, 1033 points for 4/6, etc). Each player posted 100 picks on newsgroup rec.gam... [ More ]

Reply #24

lottocheatah — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 03:57:10 GMT

Those 5/6 screenshots from last nights 6/49 game represent the best picks seen during a hot pick session. A night which saw up to 70% winners at many pick settings. The settings that pulled those 5-hits also produced four 4/6 and two 3/6 hits out of 10 picks, or about $2,000 in payouts for a $10 bet! Not bad at all!Hot pick sessions like this don't come along every game. When it's hot, its hot. When its not, its not. Play responsibly and for the long haul and you may see results like these on... [ More ]

Reply #23

lottocheatah — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 03:23:22 GMT

Hey, dude. Just for you, I dug up the oldest one I could find on the archive. Not my best team performance, but not my worst either. Three players using Lotto Cheatah picks for this game. It's $10 for 3/6 and 'bout $100 for 4/6, give or take. Here's the reprint, as posted in rec.gambling.lottery(Original score posted near the beginning of this thread is for LottoCheatah 1 only. Players 1, 2 and 3 all finished with similar high scores. Player 3 did best on this game.) Canada 6/49 Aug 10/02 unoffi... [ More ]

Reply #22

lottocheatah — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 03:10:39 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 05, 2002 Lotto Cheatah,Those were some pretty screen shots, you should send them to your buddies in the competition and show them you can get over 110000 points in two tries even if you couldn't get 1/10 that amount in 3500 tries during the competition. Maybe if the competition had been for 40 draws, you would have won. The trouble with most lottery programs is that they can't come up with a winner when it counts, if they could, the lotteries would... [ More ]

Reply #21

RJOh — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:20:15 GMT

Lotto Cheatah,Those were some pretty screen shots, you should send them to your buddies in the competition and show them you can get over 110000 points in two tries even if you couldn't get 1/10 that amount in 3500 tries during the competition. Maybe if the competition had been for 40 draws, you would have won. The trouble with most lottery programs is that they can't come up with a winner when it counts, if they could, the lotteries would be out of business.RJOh

Reply #20

lottocheatah — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:49:19 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on November 07, 2002 cheetah, what happened to your challenge that you were involved in that you brought to my attention i am interested in your results. did you fare as well as you expected. i didn't forget about you (lol).I think I have answered your original post completely. If you wish to know the theoretical cash return of my picks you will find all 3500 posted on the morning of each Wed and Sat on newsgroup rec.gambling.lotteryYou can also find the sc... [ More ]

Reply #19

visiondude — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:34:15 GMT

cheetah, everyone put's their spin on things. you can cop out if you want to by saying this thread is about the world cup of lotto and trying to get out of your obligation. this thread was originally intended for you to show me what you have. you approached me on this. up until now you haven't proved anything except you were more lucky (lol) than other predictors . you know me, if you claim something i won't let you skate free until you have fully proven yourself. those printouts above don... [ More ]

Reply #18

lottocheatah — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:37:51 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 03, 2002 (clip)So far this year I have spent ~$2500 playing Megamillions, Ohio649P, Powerball and Buckeye5 and matched 4/5 once, 3/5 several times and 2/5 many times. I also matched 5/6 in April in Ohio649P for $1500 and 55491 points and I'm still in the hole almost a $1000, but it nice to know that my own program written in GWBasic has done as well as a more professional written program. I am still looking for a better program.RJOhHere's a couple... [ More ]

Reply #17

lottocheatah — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:21:33 GMT

Canada 6/49 pays $10 for a 3/6. All the rest are paramutual. This is all off topic now. This thread concerns the World Cup of Lotto outcome, which is a points competition.

Reply #16

visiondude — Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:41:21 GMT

RJ, i was only joking about the e-machines thing. my computer was given to me by my brother during a rebate from circuit city. since i know squat about computers, i figured that my computer must be pretty low on the totem pole. i have no clue about the difference in computers. i just figured the more power and better the computer, the more you can do. i am sure though that with me, it is more of an operator error thing (lol). and math - forget it. i couldn't help my kid's with their math h... [ More ]

Reply #15

RJOh — Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:50:13 GMT

Vision,I have an emachines with a 400mhz celeron processor and it will do anything I can think up, so a more powerful machine would not help me. I think the Cheatah gave enough information so anyone who was interested could figure out how well his picks did. I checked the Canadian website for lotto649 and Quebec49 and their payout for the lower prizes were a little better than Ohio but not enough to make a big different.So far this year I have spent ~$2500 playing Megamillions, Ohio649P, Powe... [ More ]

Reply #14

visiondude — Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:29:49 GMT

RJ, somehow i knew you would

Reply #13

RJOh — Tue, 03 Dec 2002 05:11:38 GMT

I don't know what the payouts for the Canadian lotteries are, but Ohio649P lottery payout is:*points = odds3/6 = free play = 57 points3/6+ = $5 = 812 points4/6 = $100 = 1,083 points4/6+ = $500 = 22,197 points5/6 = $1,500 = 55,491 points5/6+ = $10,000 = 2,330,636 points6/6 = jackpot =13,983,816As you can see 10,017 points would pay less then a $1,000 and you would have to score more than 150,000 points to cover the cost of 3500 tickets. Did any of the players accumulate 150,000 points or more?RJO... [ More ]

Reply #12

visiondude — Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:32:42 GMT

cheetah, i understand what

Reply #11

lottocheatah — Mon, 02 Dec 2002 01:31:57 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by wpb on December 01, 2002 'You don't have to buy Lotto Cheatah. You can download the fully functional Lotto Cheatah and use it for free. If you find it helps you win more and more often, you can buy a key to keep you at the leading edge for the next 104 games. That's the way it works. The key is recommended but is optional. There is no time expiry built into Lotto Cheatah software I found this statement not true for the download I used. I could not get the software to... [ More ]

Reply #10

wpb — Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:08:06 GMT

'You don't have to buy Lotto Cheatah. You can download the fully functional Lotto Cheatah and use it for free. If you find it helps you win more and more often, you can buy a key to keep you at the leading edge for the next 104 games. That's the way it works. The key is recommended but is optional. There is no time expiry built into Lotto Cheatah software I found this statement not true for the download I used. I could not get the software to work and deleted it off my system and was unable to... [ More ]

Reply #9

lottocheatah — Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:56:23 GMT

Visiondude:I only buy a few tickets for each game I play, well under the $100/game the picks represent. The competition does not concern itself with the payouts so I had no reason to check what the theoretical payout would have been. In short.. I have no idea, and I'm not into checking back through the 3,500 numbers over 35 games to find out.When it comes to using Lotto Cheatah for Georgia games you have 3 on the menu to choose from: Mega Millions, Lotto South and the Georgia Fantasy 5. Best be... [ More ]

Reply #8

visiondude — Sun, 01 Dec 2002 16:24:56 GMT

sounds like you did good in the competition. since you represented canada and was playing their 6/49 game, based on the the canadian 6/49 game what would you have netted . i am not interested in the comparison between you and others. that is not a true barometer of what you can do. what i am interested in is how you actually fared against the game that you were playing. re-figure what you did in the 35 games with your system against the canadian 6/49 game and tell me how you did. the od... [ More ]

Reply #7

lottocheatah — Sun, 01 Dec 2002 04:11:07 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on November 30, 2002(clip)i know that you played 100 picks a day (at $1 a game) for 35 games. that would equal a starting outgo of $3,500 before you even start. what i want to know is how you fared after the end of the competition. did you make your $3,500 back or more that will tell me what i need to know. if your stats that you provided already say that you exceeded, forgive me because i am not good at following that kind of stuff.(high school education

Reply #6

visiondude — Sat, 30 Nov 2002 03:31:16 GMT

cheetah, congrats for coming in 1st in the team canada competition. i am a little s l o w in the stats depart so you will have too help me sort this out. while i am happy for you that you did well in the competition, i am only interested in your ability to beat the odd's a little better as you say. so i will ask my previous question. i know that you played 100 picks a day (at $1 a game) for 35 games. that would equal a starting outgo of $3,500 before you even start. what i want to know is how... [ More ]

Reply #5

lottocheatah — Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:20:48 GMT

The World Cup of Lotto is now complete and the scores now posted at World Cup Lotto.Lotto Cheatah finished 1st for team Canada with 10,017 points but did not win the competition. Two players from Team UK came 1-2. Team USA came 3rd. Lotto Cheatah placed 4th overall.The game played is 6/49. Scoring for the competition is the actual odds (ie; 57 points for 3/6, 1033 points for 4/6, etc). Each player posted 100 picks on newsgroup rec.gambling.lottery (plus other newsgroups) for each of 35 games. Pi... [ More ]

Reply #4

visiondude — Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:04 GMT

cheetah, sounds good. thanx for checking back with me. let me know how you did when the game is over.............v-dude

Reply #3

lottocheatah — Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:42:16 GMT

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Reply #2

visiondude — Fri, 08 Nov 2002 03:27:49 GMT

harry, cheetah initiated some thing where he wanted me too see some challenge he was involved in between a bunch of lottery predictors. a superbowl of predictions i guess. he said that he would get back to me concerning his results, he never did. the contest was for 35 games, each predictor used 100 combo's for each game. the predictor at the end of the challenge with the most predictions wins. i said that was all well and good but if he didn't make $3,500 or better on his predictions, it... [ More ]

Reply #1

harry613 — Fri, 08 Nov 2002 03:05:38 GMT

For Cheetah's you have to throw alittle raw meat out there first, then call them. See VisonDude you might not be into catching wild animals like me. Your still stuck on the old fishing pole and bobber gismo. Your getting your self into some big game now. You need a bigger pair of eyes for that.

where are you cheetah ??

visiondude — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:09:56 GMT

cheetah, what happened to your