Math and probability help or not ?

Reply #27

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:40:25 GMT

That's why it's called GAMBLING .

Reply #26

askjeeves — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:55:17 GMT

P: you're not considering the fact that the state lotteries fire off 10 - 15 draws using the same machine, same ball previous to the actual draw. What if the last digit for the ACTUAL draws were an even #s for the 8 or 10 draws but the trial draws were mostly odds. You have no way of knowing.

Reply #25

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:12:06 GMT

Even if everything worked perfectly the best you could hope for is to break even. Lose even once and you would be down.

Reply #24

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:44:25 GMT

Thanks Thomas, I was about to give up on my ability to write at all. You can probably already tell I'm not that eloquent. I'll do my best to explain how I use these math averages and probability tables to increase my chances in the pick 3. I almost said increase my odds! I mess up and misuse the word 'odds' like everyone. Well, here goes. I don't play everyday, but wait and study the results looking for the same thing that Scrooge was looking for. I cut the 1000 numbers up into as many balance... [ More ]

Reply #23

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:28:09 GMT

The best way to increase your chances in Pick-3,4 and 5games is too select more than just the exact 3,4 or 5 numbers like the majority of players try to do.For example in the Pick-3/4 I would select 6-8 numbers and wheel them,for the Pick-5 I would select 10-15 numbers instead of just 5.As far as quick-picks are concerned they do work and so do systems and other methods provided the player knows how to use them.If your not good at selecting your own numbers then quick-picks would be your best be... [ More ]

Reply #22

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:26:13 GMT

Prometheus is sorta right. Using coins as an example, The probability of a set of 10 coin flips being 5 tails and 5 heads is greater than it being 10 heads in a row. Simply because there are many combinations of 10 coin flips that will produce 5 tails and 5 heads, only one combination will produce 10 heads. I really don't see how this applies to pick 3, however, many system users will quote it. If the pick 3 number is 123 the probability of having multible 123 sets coming up in a row gets lower.... [ More ]

Reply #21

askjeeves — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:24:03 GMT

P: You did NOT answer my question.Also, the problem to your post is that WE PLAYERS DO NOT know one number in any given draw.Please make some valid statements going forward.

Reply #20

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:14:25 GMT

Ask, the reason I invited Thomas over here on the Discussion forum was an attempt to find a little calmer atmosphere. All the dust that was being thrown up in the air over there got everything off that subject. Thomas really never got back to it there. So, hoped to give it a chance over here. I've already covered most of my thoughts that would answer your questions starting under the Systems forum subject If you know one number and here. If you don't mind playing catch up it would really help. T... [ More ]

Reply #19

askjeeves — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:56:36 GMT

P: TC can respond but you did post your thoughts on a FORUM. Answer me this: You say the odds are still 1:1000 and it never changes but according to your previous post, why wouldn't you bet on 123 if the previous two ACTUAL draws were 123 . But then again, the state lottery shot off another 10 - 20 practice draws using the same balls which players have no information about. Who knows, maybe they changed the set of balls after the 2nd draw of 123 .

Reply #18

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:50:02 GMT

Ask, The odds never change but if you don't mind if I focus with Thomas right now I would appreciate the chance to stay with it. Thanks. I would like to see his responce.

Reply #17

askjeeves — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:37:24 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Prometheus1 on July 06, 2003 If, one day you buy a quick pick with 123 on it and someone advises you exchange it because 123 had just come in that order the last 2 days in a row, do it. The odds are the same each day ofcourse and anything is possible, but probability says your chances are almost nill. Chances not odds. Let me see I'm following you P. Because 123 came up the 2 previous draws, chances are, it won't come out the third draw. So therefore, any of... [ More ]

Reply #16

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:28:58 GMT

Perhaps I've misjudged you, Thomas, because it seems you are unwilling or unable to entertain the slightest possibility there might be a different perspective on these games other than your own version of the one time single dvent kind. Odds never change. People confuse the words odds and probability. Using your example of the Coin Toss dvent, in your version of this game no one can predict the outcome and I agree. The odds are always 50/50. In the version I was trying to present to you... [ More ]

Reply #15

askjeeves — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:44:49 GMT

I meant to say winning .

Reply #14

askjeeves — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:44:34 GMT

I absolutely agree with Thomas. That's why I'm opposed to buying systems or tools. Save money and buy QPs or play your birthdays. They have just as good chance of wiing.

Reply #13

reddog — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:27:28 GMT

So are you Pro or Con torwards the Lotto

Reply #12

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:56:10 GMT

I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. My point is that you cannot predict what numbers will show up at the next drawing. That is a point you seem to agree with. Over an infinite amount of time the balls could form any sort of pattern. But that really doesn't matter. You can't predict the next one. What exactly are you trying to get me to admit? That the balls form patterns? Sure they do. I agree wholeheartedly. Can you predict what these patterns will be beforehand? Not a... [ More ]

Reply #11

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:19:22 GMT

RJOh, actually winning seems to be too much to ask. Just making nice charts and graphs is enough.

Reply #10

RJOh — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:22:49 GMT

To PROMETHEUS,The best way to prove your point is to win a lottery jackpot.RJOh

Reply #9

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:39:44 GMT

Thomas, that's great, we are really getting closer to an understanding now. We might be surprised to find that we are both a lot closer to a common belief than you might think right now. I am basing this on the fact that I have read over several of your previous posts on various subjects and found you to be an otherwise reasonable fella, with the ability to absorb and express various ideas with ease. This one concept seems to be the exception. Based on my preconceived notion of your abilities, I... [ More ]

Reply #8

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:39:14 GMT

Reply #7

Prometheus1 — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:32:47 GMT

AAAAAAhhh ! Now i think i understand Thomas. You read my other post where i stipulated to the fact that no one can predict the next dvent. Right? So, we are together on that. Now, back to the question of using math and the laws of propability to help. Using those as a system to increase your chances as you play over time. Do they help? Not necessarily on one day or one time but in general over time. Please answer as close to yes or no as you can. Thanks

Reply #6

Thomas Covenant — Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:16:59 GMT

I can say that in a little over a million years, all the possible number combinations in powerball will be drawn, however, this won't help me on my next pick. Each digit may have occurred over a 1000 draws flat-lined, that is the law of averages, that doesn't help you on the next draw. Like I have said before, if you track 100 coin flips, you can't predict the 101st flip.

Reply #5

Prometheus1 — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:13:45 GMT

Thomas, i draw your attention back to the original question regarding the chart i posted on the systems forum. How does one explain the results of that chart or any one of other charts of that type and remain reticent? Remembering that us humans see patterns where they do and do not exist. LOL That chart is a classic example of what most would have to agree is at the least , represents some semblance or predictability. One thousand draws for the state of Ga. and each digit shows up almost fla... [ More ]

Reply #4

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:45:56 GMT

Future draws are not effected by past results. That is a Law of Probability. That pretty much ends it right there. This isn't something I made up. Really think about it. Forget about the math, sums, odds, evens, hot , cold , etc. Ignore numbers. Just think about the balls bouncing around in a container. How is it possible that they can follow any sort of pattern for any length of time? Maybe they have slight differences in the balls.(Unlikely, they are rigorously tested), But they randomly cha... [ More ]

Reply #3

Prometheus1 — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:24:01 GMT

Thomas, I don't know or care about Steve Player or any other marketer. What I had hoped for was an answer to the question does Math or Probability help. Math and Probability are the only system that are grounded in science.

Reply #2

Thomas Covenant — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 22:05:24 GMT

Thought about it. But after I posted that email about the Great Steve Player being a loser, and no one cared, I decided it was pointless. Read all my posts from the past.Past draws do not affect future draws, you can believe mathematians, or you can believe the people who are trying to sell you lottery systems. The choice is yours.

Reply #1

Prometheus1 — Sat, 05 Jul 2003 21:20:05 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Prometheus1 on July 02, 2003 Posted: June 26, 2003 at 9:39pm - IP LoggedIMG height=21 alt=Quote Thomas Covenant src= http://66.70.117.239/lpimages/p_quote.gif>Standard MemberUnited StatesJuly 16, 2002397 PostsOffline>Ok, Prometheus, give me a little while and I will present you with some research.< Thomas Covenant, did you forget? Hows the research study going? Thought you might be able to help us before we blow all our money over the 4th. of July holidays. LOL Rea... [ More ]

Math and probability help or not ?

Prometheus1 — Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:38:19 GMT

Posted: June 26, 2003 at 9:39pm - IP LoggedIMG height=21 alt=Quote Thomas Covenant src= http://66.70.117.239/lpimages/p_quote.gif>Standard MemberUnited StatesJuly 16, 2002397 PostsOffline>Ok, Prometheus, give me a little while and I will present you with some research.< Thomas Covenant, did you forget? Hows the research study going? Thought you might be able to help us before we blow all our money over the 4th. of July holidays. LOL Really have been looking forward to your views and research.... [ More ]