Open Discussion: Define/Refine Prediction

Reply #353

Blackapple — Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:11:31 GMT

Pa.nite 523 295 75 25 grab two;one at least from the bottom (9=0,sometimes

Reply #352

Blackapple — Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:59:57 GMT

Pa.Day 867 185 54 94 grab two; one at least one from the bottom (9=0,sometimes) The arrangement above is for the workout I know the day Pa.lottery was 876

Reply #351

Blackapple — Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:36:47 GMT

I should say my workout results are applicable for the day lottery also

Reply #350

Blackapple — Mon, 16 Feb 2004 04:55:29 GMT

There it is 876, my last post. That zero combo is coming.

Reply #349

hypersoniq — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:05:41 GMT

5-4-9... no good with 092 :-( or any of the others.of course, there is always tomorrow... on paper...eve (2/15/04)092---923---485---025---224

Reply #348

Blackapple — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:41:36 GMT

I like to adress the the Pa. lottery nite number forcast.I have 11 pairs which 3-4 of them come so quick[within 4days] I do'nt get a chance to put the third digit to it.They are Consecutive digits 87,67,56,43,90. The others are 80,03,60,17;15,92 now taking into account the ninth and eight longest out middle numbers[8,2] I start matching pairs 803,871,876,806,871,809,876-290.Pairs or combs showing a 0 or 7 are highly recommended for 2/14-2/18.

Reply #347

Millennium — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:26:02 GMT

Well, hypersoniq, it wasn't 303, but 969. You were onto the palindrome, but not the numbers.With that 969, I'd look for a 556, 565, or 655 to come up within the next five days.

Reply #346

Blackapple — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:46:37 GMT

By the way,I have a workout that's promising based on whether 986,988,958,381,382,351,982 shows in two days on Day or Nite Pa.Lottery.

Reply #345

Blackapple — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:33:09 GMT

Hypersonqic,I'm new to this forum and I studied this forum and Maybell's for years.I give much credit to Red 's Hot sheet forum for elucidating the pattern.From your oselection I like ne of these pairs to show tonight..02,06,42,46

Reply #344

hypersoniq — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:04:25 GMT

lol, hopefully better than usual...3-0-3 is for the pennsylvania mid-day (goes off at 1:38PM)0-9-2 is for the pennsylvania evening (7pm)http://www.palottery.com usually posts results about 5 to 15 minutes after the draws, and payout info in about 1 to 2 hours.If ALL goes well... $1080 ;-)if day OR eve goes well... $540to catch a box... $40expected result (based on past performance)... $0cost $3.00 ($1 straight + .50 box for each

Reply #343

JAP69 — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:59:18 GMT

Straight position programmersWhat I have in my system is the ability to pull 4 different groups in each position 1-2 3or4 for the four game. I have created different size wheels in both games and have had pick 3 and 4 straight hits come from the wheels. The tryout wheels varied in size for the amount of plays generated.When tracking the 3 and 4 game with the versabet it tells me when a combo group is ripe. Like all evens, all odds 1 even 2 odds etc. I like the all even and all odds as they are t... [ More ]

Reply #342

Millennium — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:45:24 GMT

I am awaiting your drawing results to see how you did

Reply #341

hypersoniq — Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:06:39 GMT

3-0-3 MID0-9-2 EVEI have come to the conclusion that no single system will be able to prove itself over time, so I have revised the goal on my pick-3 work.1. Generate no more than 10 combos to play per game.2. map how each has performed over the entire 27 year history of the PA lottery to try and identify frequencies of hits to narrow down from the list of 10 to try and catch the next one that might hit.So far I have identified 5 numbers to generateA. Longest out by positionB. Second Longest out... [ More ]

Reply #340

hypersoniq — Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:17:21 GMT

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Reply #339

Axiel — Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:03:14 GMT

Millenium: Okay, re-reading that, seems I wasn't too clear.When I'm done I have 30 different charts - each representing 0 - 9 in each position. The numbers down the left represent the number of times this particular number has been drawn in the last 50 draws. For example in chart 2 (which represents the Number 8 in position 1 - labelling the charts might have been helpful :) ), just above 02/07/2004, the blue line rises to 6, meaning that the number 8 has appeared in the first position 6 times... [ More ]

Reply #338

JAP69 — Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:33:13 GMT

Axiel,From what I see of your chart you have the frequency of the digit being drawn by position over time. You have the digit going from least drawn to peak at the high count. I do not see the hit skip level from draw to draw. When you see a digit that may be on the upswing you could do a hit skip chart from draw to draw as an indicator of the hit skip of the digit when it may go on the upswing.This is the digit number seven in the first position of the S.C. three game. I have listed the hit ski... [ More ]

Reply #337

Millennium — Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:26:28 GMT

Have you read The Predictors, mentioned earlier?I don't understand how a single pick is represented on your chart, however.And shouldn't the left values all be 0-9?EDITED TO ADD:Sorry, I just went back to your original message. This makes a big difference. Now I don't understand the usefulness of these charts at all.You seem to assign value to a single digit. I look at the whole number (ie, 123 is 123, not the frequencies of digits 1 and/or 2 and/or 3). Others look at this differently.... [ More ]

Reply #336

Axiel — Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:33:56 GMT

Okay, I'd been playing with stock charting tools, and began to wonder what if I plot the frequency of drawings each number appeared and use some of the Technical Analysis tools to predict the direction of the frequency.The dark blue line (Series1) in the charts is the number of times a digit appears in the last 50 draws. So based on perfect randomness the expected average should be 5. Series 2,3 4 are the 5/10/15 day Moving Average.Using the charts, you can see there are definate long and shor... [ More ]

Reply #335

emilyg — Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:47:54 GMT

they remind me of my last ekg. just kidding.

Reply #334

Axiel — Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:29:09 GMT

Hi there,I've just spent about the last 6 hours reading through this thread. An amazing amount of information about different approaches and views toward the 'prediction' and 'forecasting' of Pick 3.I'd really like to keep the conversation going here, so I want to share some ideas I've been working with.Take a look at the charts I've posted up at http://www.smg-sales.com/lottoChart 1 is a 500 draw view of a single digit's occurance (for example an 8 showing in the first position). Chart 2 is a... [ More ]

Reply #333

Millennium — Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:36:42 GMT

I'm bumping this up so new members can easily read it and perhaps add to it as well.

Reply #332

glenny — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:11:34 GMT

hi everyone in fo

Reply #331

jam boogie — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:04:57 GMT

It's hard to be accurate.....

Reply #330

Millennium — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:26:39 GMT

I've been afflicted by gravity and haven't been here in a while.1) Geez, hypersoniq! If they pulled *that* in NY, there might be a riot: Your *midday* P3 is done by *computer*?! What a gyp! No wonder you keep the draws separate! I wouldn't even pay attention to the midday draw. If NY went to *all* computer draw, I'd stop altogether. The new ball machinery has been bad enough!2) Java: Is your program running on a PC or have you tried it on a PDA? Is it easier to learn Java than, say, the variants... [ More ]

Reply #329

hypersoniq — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:00:36 GMT

I will continue playing on paper until something repeatable can be found...it's easy to simulate betting and run expense reports in excel... it's getting the numbers that seems to be the hard part...

Reply #328

winsumloosesum — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:02:24 GMT

Playing the Lottery is still gambling.Is there a money management system for playing the Pick 3.Do we need to set up a bankroll and use a set money management system?Do we play for the fun of it?? I don't see any fun in losing then trying to double your number of bets to try to make up for the previous loss. I read about folks who play their favorite numbers day after day and the one day they don't play----- you know the rest of this story.You have to have a plan to have any type of chance of... [ More ]

Reply #327

WIN D — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:57:45 GMT

Good subject.......but one most are a little reluctant to post about. Maybe it should be spelled RE..Luck..TANT ! lol There's really 2 games going on at the same time when we play. Playing the game is one thing...but you better have a betting system working at the same time. We need a new forum.. Betting Systems . We lose most of the time.....so we better be prepaired to win a significant amount when we do WIN. Be prepaired to win! You have to arrange your bets to make up for y... [ More ]

Reply #326

winsumloosesum — Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:37:44 GMT

I see this discussion has hit a lull. I wanted to inject something in this thread.I heard someone say the less you know about something the better you are. I don't know if that is true or not.Some have posted very interesting ideas about Pick 3. Casho,Is there a possibility to finish your ideas that you posted. You really threw out a nice bone for us to chew on.Everyone wants to win everyday at Pick 3. Wishful thinking?? Pipe dream??I would like to ask this question:What if at the end of ea... [ More ]

Reply #325

hypersoniq — Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:15:31 GMT

Hopefully the info here can help someone, many interesting theories explained here... In the end, we are no closer to prediction tho... it still remains the holy grail of lottery theory... We can convert, transpose, invert, filter all we want... the biggest puzzle piece is still missing.

Reply #324

hypersoniq — Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:24:59 GMT

The parent page hassome good stuff also...http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/sets/high_seq_series.htmlbut the one above seemed to be more helpful to our cause...

Reply #323

Clipper — Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:12:52 GMT

Thanks Hypersonig.....definitely looks like some interesting reading

Reply #322

hypersoniq — Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:51:13 GMT

here is a page full of interesting reading....http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/sets/select/dm_sequence_strategy.html

Reply #321

Clipper — Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:58:51 GMT

It's a stand-alone application. All I have to do is double click on the JAR file and poof....it's running.

Reply #320

hypersoniq — Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:21:11 GMT

do you have it as a stand-alone application or in a browser as an applet

Reply #319

Clipper — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:59:46 GMT

Yep.....definitely is portable . Right now my Pick 3 folder is 1.56 meg and it has a year's game data, however, I have 40 plus charts. It's a little powerhouse considering what all the software can do <G

Reply #318

hypersoniq — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:55:28 GMT

Clipper... The portability is nice for Java also...

Reply #317

Clipper — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:52:01 GMT

hypersonig = The Pick 3 software I have is written in JAVA. Works quite well computer-wise and you dont have any Install files to fiddle with or other configurations that change your Registry.

Reply #316

hypersoniq — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:59:29 GMT

Here we go... for those who do not wish to buy MS office to get a decent spreadsheet ,here is a free one...http://www.openoffice.org/Heck, it even opens MS Excel files! It is a 63.5MB download, but it IS free...Als, I am thinking that the best freebie language to use for programming would be Java... There are other alternatives, like the more complex GNU gc++, opinions, suggestions?....

Reply #315

JAP69 — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:17:15 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on January 10, 2004 Thanks John.What exactly do you mean by Hit Median ?in the software they have different areas to sort out the data for the number and parts of it.this is what the 33 pair data looks like that hit todays mid draw 01/16_tot hits__hit avg__hit median__curr skips__avg skip btw hits___27____19.4_____11________46_________16.7____dictionary definition(3) math,of, pertaining to,or designating that number of a series which has as many numbers pr... [ More ]

Reply #314

hypersoniq — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:50:57 GMT

Maybe we should use a common set of tools...MySQL is a free open source database for many platforms...Anyone know of a good excel free alternative for those who don't have it

Reply #313

hypersoniq — Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:35:50 GMT

Thanks John.What exactly do you mean by Hit Median

Reply #312

JAP69 — Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:38:51 GMT

To put together the 3 digit due combo in the game I use the pairs in that combo series only. If I am working the 2 combo series I list the pairs that contain the digit 2 and are at the hit median or above the median. They may join up to make the three digit number. Not always but sometimes often.To make the due combos on my list I look at the pairs above the combo series I am working. Working the 2 series I will start at the 3_ pairs and higher and look at the hit median of that pair and select

Reply #311

JAP69 — Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:14:12 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by winsumloosesum on January 05, 2004 Is it better to analyze a 3 digit boxed combos vs each individual digit.I'm not saying that position analysis is wrong but isn't the end game picking the actual 3 digit number.How many times have you had 2 of the 3 digits or positions nailed correctly and then you know the rest of the story!!Hot - Cold - Due - DeadDoes anyone use a median or skip average to find a number that may be in range before, at, or after the median? Would... [ More ]

Reply #310

hypersoniq — Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:52:52 GMT

bump... Is everyone losing interest

Reply #309

Clipper — Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:59:08 GMT

Your Welcome....I've found this consideration to be very helpful in determining what to play <G

Reply #308

hypersoniq — Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:56:38 GMT

thanks, I see what you mean now.

Reply #307

Clipper — Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:54:19 GMT

I really dont use Hot, Cold, Due or Dead in my computations but if I were to describ those terms as to how the digits have been playing those would be my guidelines. However, somebody else might consider a different breakdown to mean Hot, Cold, Dead, Due to them. Rather equates to individual determination.Im more concerned with the number of digits that play 1-4 or 5+ out. My software is designed in such a way with it's controled generator that I can tell it to generate only combinations w... [ More ]

Reply #306

hypersoniq — Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:32:42 GMT

Clipper...so you use5-9 out = Cold10-14 = Dead>15 = Due

Reply #305

Clipper — Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:55:38 GMT

Im a Straight Shooter and seldom do I ever play Any Order. Many times I've had the numbers to have them in the wrong order but that's the name of the game for me.....EXACT.My overall tracking involves many different considerations to get the EXACT as well. I'm tracking by 3 digit combinations vs 2 digit which is Doubles, Repeats, Alpha Patterns (EEE, OOO, EEO, OOE, etc), Sum Totals Even Odd (Singles, Teens, Twenties), Positions (1st, 2nd, 3rd) and even giving consideration as to the num... [ More ]

Reply #304

winsumloosesum — Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:15:47 GMT

Is it better to analyze a 3 digit boxed combos vs each individual digit.I'm not saying that position analysis is wrong but isn't the end game picking the actual 3 digit number.How many times have you had 2 of the 3 digits or positions nailed correctly and then you know the rest of the story!!Hot - Cold - Due - DeadDoes anyone use a median or skip average to find a number that may be in range before, at, or after the median? Would you consider a Hot 3 digit number at or +1/-1 median or woul... [ More ]

Reply #303

Clipper — Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:41:46 GMT

Im with you on that one hypersonnig! I've heard these terms over and over and seen software that uses the terms but no real rhyme or reason for their use lolOuch! It hurts when you miss the EXACT by a hair! Today in Texas 130 played and I had 120, 140 and 150! Didnt figure that 3 would play as I didnt see a repeat of LOP (Level of Play) however I was looking for a collaspe in the number of Levels all 10 digits were scattered on.

Reply #302

hypersoniq — Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:37:32 GMT

ok, time to nail down some actual useable definitions, any help appreciated...1. HOT... what is the specific criteria that makes a number HOT? how many draws? how many consecutive draws? what timeframe?2. COLD... How long must a numbe be out before it is considered COLD?3. DUE... says who? WHY? what is the criteria for pronouncing a number DUE?and finally4. DEAD... How long must a number be COLD before it is pronounced DEAD?I have never paid attention to these generic variables, but mostly bec... [ More ]

Reply #301

gilla — Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:38:25 GMT

985 came in GA...

Reply #300

hypersoniq — Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:53:38 GMT

I just got finished the surprisingly painless procedure of starting my PA pick3 and pick4 Access Database with data imported from the excel sheets... just the basics...1. Draw number as primary key2. draw date3. combo4,5,6... individual numbers by position7. Day of Week (hint... data type date/time with format of 'ddd' ... just like excel)I have to whip up 4 update queries, because there are 4 tables... pick3 MID, pick3 EVE, pick4 MID and pick4 EVE. I am hoping this makes analysis and backtestin... [ More ]

Reply #299

hypersoniq — Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:09:32 GMT

thanks gilla, that's an interesting concept

Reply #298

gilla — Sun, 04 Jan 2004 04:31:12 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on November 18, 2003 Here's the basic concept...take a string of numbers (representing a history of the FIRST digit drawn)2, 4, 6, 8, 0, 2, 4, ??? That one's easy... 6 (+2) but how, mathematically, do we know that?next...1,3,5,7,9,2,1,3,5,7,9,4,1,3,5,7,9,6,1,3,5,7,9, ???? step 11,3,5,7,9,2,1,3,5,7,9,4,1,3,5,7,9,6,1,3,5,7,9, ???? step 2, see the dmbedded pattern? gotta be an 8... but what formula could we plug numbers into to determine that? I don't... [ More ]

Reply #297

hypersoniq — Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:39:54 GMT

Quote: O

Reply #296

hypersoniq — Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:37:53 GMT

come to think of it, I will leave my 111 system intact, I specifically used it that way to prdvent picking repeat doubles and repeat triples (for the whole rundown)... now to figure out WHEN to play it, as there was no indication anywhere on my chart that a straight was even coming... they tend to follow eachother in clusters ,I hope I can spot where and catch it next time..

Reply #295

hypersoniq — Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:17:40 GMT

Quote: O

Reply #294

Clipper — Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:25:27 GMT

I just completed my 2nd Lesson (CD #2) for Excel by Video Professor lol Pretty nice software and am now thinking about ordering some others for PowerPoint and Access!Still not to the point I can use that lottery program and hopefully the 3rd Lesson will shed more light <G

Reply #293

hypersoniq — Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:13:02 GMT

I may have mis-interpreted the add 111 system described above... I was running some searches and found a post by Laverne Maloney that basically indicated the rundown should NEVER carry the 1, in ANY position. I will have to completely revamp a sheet to test this, but here's the basics (as applied to PA daily ,which didn't go off yet for tonight (1/3/04)last night's number... 696 ( doubles are probably a bad example, but...)Rundown numbers for tonight (I didn't play 'em, instead plunked down $2... [ More ]

Reply #292

hypersoniq — Sat, 03 Jan 2004 02:17:09 GMT

I keep 'em separatedin PA, mid-day are computer generated and at night, they are drawn from the actual ping-pong ball machines.

Reply #291

luckylady — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:41:18 GMT

One more question, do you combine midday and evening or do you have separate worksheets for each of them

Reply #290

luckylady — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:38:41 GMT

Thanks a bunch! This is enough to get me started.

Reply #289

hypersoniq — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:26:40 GMT

luckylady...I keep a running drawing number (starting at 1... currently my PA pick 3 data has 9,152 drawings) in the first column.Second column is draw date, third is the combination as drawn... if 1-5-3, then enter 153fourth is the FIRST POSITION number, or what came out of the FIRST machine, for above this would equal 1, 5TH column would have a 5 and 6TH column would have a 3.This is the basic starting point.I add a few others, like day of the week, Month of the year, YEAR, Day Of Year (from 1... [ More ]

Reply #288

luckylady — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:16:03 GMT

I know how to use excel and would like to start my own spreadsheet but not really sure how to get it started(such as what info to put in,etc) Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated

Reply #287

Clipper — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:43:48 GMT

Thanks.....right now I just need to learn how to use the software so can use a Lottery program written in Excel

Reply #286

hypersoniq — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:28:57 GMT

If you ever have troubles with the formulas, give me a holler...

Reply #285

Clipper — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:26:53 GMT

That nice......sounds Greek to me though lol

Reply #284

hypersoniq — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:19:38 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Clipper on January 02, 2004 Thanks for the links! I went and bought one of those Professor Videos for Excel. Knew there was online Tutorial stuff....just didnt go there and as much trouble as I've had this past week with online connection I needed something I could work with offline <G> The nice thing about excel is that you have the ability to list results and backtest various systems. Things can be color coded for ease of readability and with autofill, wntire... [ More ]

Reply #283

JAP69 — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:07:05 GMT

I posted back in the thread on the use of box order entry for selecting numbers in that manner. This is some data I put together to help in looking over the columns to select the numbers from the columns.The first digit in a column will always stay the same. Work the last two digits in each column to find the repetiveness of a digit in postion 2 or 3. Look for the digit in position 2 and 3 that is due come back in that position.Below is the south carolina data count of digits drawn by position... [ More ]

Reply #282

Clipper — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:48:57 GMT

Thanks for the links! I went and bought one of those Professor Videos for Excel. Knew there was online Tutorial stuff....just didnt go there and as much trouble as I've had this past week with online connection I needed something I could work with offline <G

Reply #281

hypersoniq — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:32:19 GMT

Everyone throw your hats into the ring... It doesn't necessarily have to be something mathematical...Are you using astrology? number vibratility ? Dream numbers? Remote Viewing? Travelling Numbers? Just share how and why you choose certain numbrs over others... dventually we should be able to come up with something...Remember, we're not trapping here, that can be the next phase, right now we're concerned with prediction... Trapping with a wheel will be better if we have a better way to narrow d... [ More ]

Reply #280

hypersoniq — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:32 GMT

let's make '04 the year...for all of you wanting to get down and dirty with Microsoft Excel...http://www.exceltip.com/tutorial/the above is a site jam packed with free (FREE) tips and tutorials on using MS Excel...'04 is the year I combine Excel with MS Access database power... Anyone wishing to follow along...http://mis.bus.sfu.ca/tutorials/MSAccess/tutorials.htmlthe above link is free tips and tutorials for using the MS Access Database...If I come up with anything for excel I'll pst it here as... [ More ]

Reply #279

knot.ben.lucky — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 01:00:47 GMT

...... just a post to try to keep this thread alive and back on the first pages .... lots of good tips here..... hoping to see more

Reply #278

Clipper — Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:21:04 GMT

Well....I took a one night Community Education Course on Beginner Excel so I know some basics. Just cant fully maneuver in the software. Am thinking about checking the Professor CD's <G

Reply #277

emilyg — Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:33:51 GMT

clipper - same here - have it and don't know how to use it. one of my resolutions to learn.

Reply #276

Clipper — Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:21:46 GMT

Barely now how to use Excel lol Something I've never learned but would like to learn. I have a program in Excel for Lottery and dont even know how to use the thing :( Another reason for developing my own software lol

Reply #275

hypersoniq — Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:41:45 GMT

Still trying to figure out how to count skips in excel... Had been reading about using a COUNTIF formula with the INDIRECT formula, but no luck so far in actually implementing it (they didn't provide an example). Anyone have any other ideas

Reply #274

Clipper — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:27:37 GMT

Food for thought: Most of you might know that there are 120 possible 3 digit combinations that can be written 6 different ways each (6x120=720 exacts). There are 90 doubles combinations that can be written 3 different ways each....3x90=270. With 10 Triples+270 Doubles+720 3-digits you get the 1000 EXACTS.Since there are 3 times more 3-digit combinations then Pures, Doubles Triples combined most of the time you can eliminate them from playing. When you do that you will find of the possib... [ More ]

Reply #273

Clipper — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:03:04 GMT

hypersonig =Too many math computations for me lol......I will stick to Alpha Patterns, Sum Totals with Elimination for Determination and let my software do the hard work for me of coming up with combinations since it has a controlled number generator and various filters.What I've seen in years of tracking is that most of the digits that play will replay before they get 5 or more games away from the last time they play. If I can determine that all digits will come from within the last 4 g... [ More ]

Reply #272

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:01:19 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by emilyg on December 27, 2003 that's what i'm trying on pick 4 - going to keep a list for a month to see which workout hits best. love your idea. thanks. good luck, hope it brings you some

Reply #271

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:58:49 GMT

testing and tweaking and observation will take a long looooong time, even with excel...as soon as I can figure anything out (especially if it dventually has merit) I'll gladly share the info... as for an algorithm...LastNightsDraw + RundownNumber = 1stRundownResult1stRundownResult + RundownNumber = 2ndRundownResult.....NthRundownResult + RundownNumber = (Nth+1)RundownResult the RundownResult answers are the numbers that you play for the next draw.RundownNumber is the 111 (or whatever number you... [ More ]

Reply #270

emilyg — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:57:59 GMT

that's what i'm trying on pick 4 - going to keep a list for a month to see which workout hits best. love your idea. thanks.

Reply #269

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:51:56 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Millennium on December 27, 2003 Where in the world did you get this system from? Why add 111? Why not, say, 101, or subtract fifty? I don't get the need for that specific number. What's the underlying algorithm for it?(I'll be back online Monday!) Ask someone else, I just seen it mentioned on the lottery post (in the pick 4 thread)I AM in the process of trying ALL the numbers between 001 and 999 to see if any perform better, thats where I got the leaders above from (5... [ More ]

Reply #268

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:49:02 GMT

interesting side note, the best performing numbers tend to have from 9 months to 3 YEARS between occurrences as straights, but much more frequent BOX recurrences....To play THAT system, just count the combo frequencies, and take the top 10... should hold true for any state, but I have only toyed with PA's data...Also, I'm still not actually playing until some serious positive and repeatable results are observed via backtesting...

Reply #267

Millennium — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:46:30 GMT

Where in the world did you get this system from? Why add 111? Why not, say, 101, or subtract fifty? I don't get the need for that specific number. What's the underlying algorithm for it?(I'll be back online Monday

Reply #266

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:42:47 GMT

My most recent backtest experiments are working with RUNDOWNS...for example, number 348step 1, Add 111 (348+111=459, 459 becomes the first number in the rundown)step 2, add 111 (459+111=570, 570 becomes the Second number in the rundown)step 3, add 111 (570+111=681)step 4, add 111 (681+111=792)step 5, add 111 (792+111=903)step 6, add 111 (903+111=1014, DROP the 1,000's column... becomes 014)step 7, add 111 (014+111=125)step 8, add 111 (125+111=236)step 9, add 111 (236+111=347)step 10, add 111... [ More ]

Reply #265

Millennium — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:40:56 GMT

Between this and two other threads, I've got enough new stuff to study for the next two weeks.

Reply #264

Clipper — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:37:42 GMT

There are 125 EXACT combinations with the 0 in the 3rd position.....way too many to play. The numbers that played in Texas....240.....were 2 games, 3 games and 6 games out. I had the 420 in a group of 15. Could have played all 15 on an Any Order and won $40.00 but didnt <G

Reply #263

Millennium — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:29:48 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Clipper on December 27, 2003I was locked in on the 0 in the 3rd position for my STRAIGTH shot and was actually looking for something that would have a Sum Total of less then 13 which came from 931 in yesterday Daily and I was leaning towards an EVEN Sum total which could mean only a PURE EEE game or an ODD game of 2O/1E.Just didnt go deep enough lolRepeat after me: When you know the third position digit, Thou Shalt Play Back Pairs!x00 x01 x02 x03 x04 x05 x06 x07 x... [ More ]

Reply #262

Clipper — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:22:47 GMT

I dont play roots however I have done some work on what I call a root system. What I have done before is track the Sum Total of the 2 like digits in a combination such as.....645....the 6 + 4 = 10; or 138...the 1+3=4. Then track what Odd digit plays in an Even game and what Even digit plays in an Odd game. This particular root system doesnt help you much when it comes to EEE and OOO game though, however, it's 3 times more likely that 2E/1O or 2O/1E will hit regards of whether its a 3... [ More ]

Reply #261

Clipper — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:13:26 GMT

I agree that 125 is still too much, however, I usually can whittle those down a lot, lot less as that is but one way to reduce the over all number down. The software I have will give me all the possible 3 digit combinations in a group of 100 after I eliminate all Pures, Doubles and Triples.Then with a process of elimination I can generally take the 100 down to 11 or less before I determine the Alpha Pattern to play with what I get. Today in Texas I liked the PURE EVEN game played 860, 680, 460... [ More ]

Reply #260

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:05:08 GMT

and what do you do if the different systems are spitting out conflicting information

Reply #259

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:04:14 GMT

If I have this right, you add the digits in the sum to get the roote.g. sum of 27 is root of 9 (I THINK that's how it works, right

Reply #258

Millennium — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:01:53 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Clipper on December 27, 2003Just by knowing the Alpha group that is going to play you can reduce the 1000 Exacts down to 125. That's still way too many for me. I try to get it down to the Five Top Suspects. And, really, sometimes *that's* too many.With my system, I know that if I begin to churn out possibility after possibility, I very likely don't have the number at all and am not even close.

Reply #257

Millennium — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:59:55 GMT

I don't understand roots. Someone please explain.

Reply #256

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:58:59 GMT

so, with all the different tools, Alpha, skips, sums, pairs, roots... would it be safe to say that the better bet would be something that has ALL systems in alignment?like, ifEOE ran for a few draws (indicating OEO is due ? )7 is out longest in position 14 is out longest in position 23 is out longest in position 3sum 14 is out longestroot 5 is out longest...then 7-4-3 would be the number to go with

Reply #255

hypersoniq — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:57:00 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Clipper on December 27, 2003 I shoot for the EXACT combination that plays.....not just the 3 digits that playA straight hit hunter!now THAT's what it's all about

Reply #254

Clipper — Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:33:05 GMT

Your Welcome <G> What I can tell you about the Alpha Pattern groups is......each one of them has 125 EXACTS. (8x125=1000) In 6 of the groups that have the 2/1 split (2e/1o or 2o/1e) there will be 25 combinations that are Doubles. The remaining 100 Exact combinations will be 3 different digit combinations.The other 2 Alpha Groups..EEE and OOO...are a little different. There will be 5 Triples in each group and the balance of 120 is split 60/60 as to Doubles and 3 digit combinations.I've us... [ More ]