Mathematical Sequences

Reply #49

RJOh — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:00:22 GMT

Colin FSounds like a plan, look forward to seeing the results of your work when the projects are done. Good luck to you.RJOh

Reply #48

Colin F — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:34:22 GMT

Dear Mr RJohI'm not interested in acquiring anyones' software or code. In Developing my own System as I have mentioned before, I set as a priority the ability to test it. I have also mentioned before that if someone wants me to test their program they can encapsulate it in a Access.mde file. My program will send it the Draw Numbers; it sends my program the selections to play. Couldn't be simpler.This means I can test a System over as many Draws as I like using as many selections as I like, autom... [ More ]

Reply #47

RJOh — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:21:18 GMT

Dear Mr Colin F,What kinds of software do you test at you facilities? Do you have files on previous tests? Do you maintain a site where one might go to review those results? Or were you, as Guru have suggested, playing a trick to get a free copy of Lottosync?RJOh

Reply #46

MikeK — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:47:50 GMT

It has been shown on the Lottery Post on several occasions in the past that systems can beat the odds just fine (Example: https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/77694 for MasterMind 3, which is a GEOMETRICAL system).

What I miss in this thread is the issue that the system has to beat the pay-outs rather than the odds.

Good Luck

Reply #45

Guru — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:20:18 GMT

The live testcase on t

Reply #44

Colin F — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:49 GMT

Dear Mr GuruMy unbiased independent testing facilities are at your disposal and anyone else for that matter. The only proviso is that you give permission for the results to be published.I look forward to you availing yourself of this marvelous opportunity to measure your product against the published odds or random selections.Sincerely at your serviceColin

Reply #43

RJOh — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:07:44 GMT

Guru,That remark about the unhappy campers was in a post by ayenowitall not me. I been watching the prediction board and the winning predictions percentage is usually 0.5% or less which convinces me that expecting 1% of the predictions to win something is expecting a lot. Good luck on your new version of Lottosync.RJOh

Reply #42

Guru — Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:47:50 GMT

RJ:We do have quite a few happy campers also. Unfortunately the unhappy campers just tend to speak a little louder.Wait for the Lottosync V1.8 live testcase on this forum, and watch closely what happens.We had a bit of a bumpy ride with the first lottosync versions, but we are rolling smooth now.

Reply #41

MrSteel01 — Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:53:27 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on May 08, 2004RJ,Some years ago when I first started playing the lottery, I tried selecting numbers based on the historical parameters for each position. I had no trouble coming up with numbers, but I never had any success with cashing tickets. I hope you can manage to do better than I did. Good luck.BTW, I read through all the posts of a thread about the Lottosync system. It looks like there are quite a few unhappy campers out there. I sure hope Guru did... [ More ]

Reply #40

WIN D — Sat, 29 May 2004 20:43:09 GMT

Thanks hyper but not the one. Oh well... not a biggie. Here is an interesting view of sequences and formulas. I like it. I think it demo's the need to incorperate multi-dvent contest into sequence prediction probability. Correct me if I'm wrong ....but this requires the use of past dvents as predictors of a future dvent. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56493.html I especially liked this part about ...having to link independent dvents : What a beautiful problem! Thank you for sendin... [ More ]

Reply #39

hypersoniq — Fri, 28 May 2004 22:55:22 GMT

this one?http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences

Reply #38

WIN D — Wed, 26 May 2004 19:45:22 GMT

Much of the research on math sequences seems to assume some sort of sapient personality sending out coded messages. I guess letters are just independent dvents until you break the code. Then, eureka... Gone With the Wind! They're kinda like fractals......huh? Results speak louder than words or......their letters.What ever came first. What came before numbers or fingers and toes? I know... the I.R.S Without telling them the origin .......it would be fun to send a batch of blind sequences(old p... [ More ]

Reply #37

rdarmand — Wed, 26 May 2004 14:49:20 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on May 26, 2004It was stated early on in this topic that sequences are generally believed to have no useful application in predicting lottery outcomes. It is also widely held that there is no method which can be used to predict any lottery outcomes. Notwithstanding, many of us here at Lottery Post try to do just that by a wide variety of means.So long as lottery draws are regarded as independent dvents, I can't imagine any way to link them together. Howeve... [ More ]

Reply #36

ayenowitall — Wed, 26 May 2004 09:33:01 GMT

It was stated early on in this topic that sequences are generally believed to have no useful application in predicting lottery outcomes. It is also widely held that there is no method which can be used to predict any lottery outcomes. Notwithstanding, many of us here at Lottery Post try to do just that by a wide variety of means. This thread was started for people who are interested in working with mathematical sequences for that purpose.Thanks for your concern about those who might be turned of... [ More ]

Reply #35

Colin F — Wed, 26 May 2004 07:17:42 GMT

There is no sequence that is applicable to any lottery.Randomness and sequentialness are dichotomous ( and if that ain't a word it should be.)This is not an invitation for argument as it is not possible to argue that black is white; it is a declaration of sanity by the writer to the casual reader and an invitation not too be completely turned off this forum before looking at other threads.

Reply #34

ayenowitall — Sun, 23 May 2004 18:46:55 GMT

hypersoniq,I've been playing around with that Hailstone sequence for a good part of the day... very interesting. I'm not ready to call this a prediction, but I've achieved some results suggesting that the 27 will return as the red PowerBall on Wednesday. This may be wishful thinking, but we won't have to wait too long to find out for sure. The downside is, I can't find any usable numbers in the sequence beyond that. This may just be a fluke. It may be nothing at all. I just thought I'd let you k... [ More ]

Reply #33

ayenowitall — Sat, 22 May 2004 18:16:27 GMT

hypersoniq,There's no need to apologize. Actually, some of those off-topic posts were interesting, but I just didn't want the matter of mathematical sequences to get altogether lost in the shuffle. Maybe you can start up a thread about the other things if there seems to sufficient interest.Thanks for the information about the Hailstone sequences. I've got some numbers that I'm dying to plug in. Those longtime unsolved problems usually stay that way, but the prospect of finding a solution holds... [ More ]

Reply #32

hypersoniq — Sat, 22 May 2004 14:02:43 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on May 22, 2004I really appreciate the attention that this mathematical sequences topic has received. Much thanks to all who have made meaningful contributions related to mathematical sequences. I hope you will all continue to offer your input on mathematical sequences. An occasional tangential remark is understandable, but this topic is really about mathematical sequences. We have a great group of people here at Lottery Post, and I'm sure that there must... [ More ]

Reply #31

your wrong — Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:16 GMT

Also, we all make typographical errors from time to time, but gross misspellings that occur repeatedly reflect poorly on the writer's intelligence and credibility. They are also quite an annoying distraction. There is a Spell Check function available.==============================================How is it that you equate someone's misspellings with intelligence? I mean that's a pretty lousy insinuation to make. Perhaps there is another variable you hadn't considered. One that gives credibility t... [ More ]

Reply #30

ayenowitall — Sat, 22 May 2004 10:46:18 GMT

I really appreciate the attention that this mathematical sequences topic has received. Much thanks to all who have made meaningful contributions related to mathematical sequences. I hope you will all continue to offer your input on mathematical sequences. An occasional tangential remark is understandable, but this topic is really about mathematical sequences. We have a great group of people here at Lottery Post, and I'm sure that there must be considerable knowledge about mathematical sequences.... [ More ]

Reply #29

OpenMinded — Sat, 22 May 2004 02:22:08 GMT

Hypersoniq,I got chills reading your response to Yourwrong. It's sooooo much fun being here and trying to figure the game. Hmmm! I do believe that a big winner will come from Lottery Post someday. I brag on the site all the time to my friends at work, and try to encourage those that play the lottery to join in as well. I haven't been able to get them to bite yet. I guess they are gamblers/quickpickers while we are players. Whew, hew! Let's win some money! If it ain't dollars it don't mak... [ More ]

Reply #28

your wrong — Sat, 22 May 2004 02:19:48 GMT

Chance favors the prepared mind - Louis Pasteuror is the prepared mind just more opertunistic

Reply #27

your wrong — Sat, 22 May 2004 02:17:35 GMT

Oh your perfect. and i agree everything we do in life is a decision based on what value we place on what we percieve to be recieving. its all very realitive. and im truelly pleased with the fact that your aware of the truth and have found value and enjoyment within this media. I too am compulsivlly torn with wanting to take it all apart and know why this does that. Thus my particular profession. However I also need to achieve even just a little progress now and again. This is where i place my v... [ More ]

Reply #26

hypersoniq — Sat, 22 May 2004 01:28:51 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by your wrong on May 21, 2004So why all the wasted time trying? Trust me I do believe there is a possibility it can be done. But there are easier ways to accomplish the same result. The time isn't wasted if you are having fun... for some of us it's a hobby...I understand the odds and the risks... $1... big deal... (I am only after one pick... any more than 1 pick and your'e guessing or trapping). I also understand the returns... you only need to hit a mega-sized jackpot... [ More ]

Reply #25

your wrong — Sat, 22 May 2004 01:05:43 GMT

I do research, structural characteristics, and how/ why different elements of gambling relate to different segment of the population. Right now im looking at the lottery games and who plays what and why. Sometimes i provide marketing information, sometimes to explain either the etiology or maintenance of gambling behaviour.

Reply #24

NBey6 — Sat, 22 May 2004 00:21:16 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by your wrong on May 21, 2004See I got you attention didnt I.I am here to help. If you knew what i did for a living you would be shocked. I can say that its a rare publication or website concerning lotteries and casinos that i havnt read or neen to.Sometimes i think its good to stir it up alittle otherwise you just get people posting perdictions (god help us) Have you ever looked to see the track record of some of these people? Not good.Okay I'll bite. What do you do fo... [ More ]

Reply #23

your wrong — Fri, 21 May 2004 21:33:13 GMT

See I got you attention didnt I.I am here to help. If you knew what i did for a living you would be shocked. I can say that its a rare publication or website concerning lotteries and casinos that i havnt read or neen to.Sometimes i think its good to stir it up alittle otherwise you just get people posting perdictions (god help us) Have you ever looked to see the track record of some of these people? Not good.

Reply #22

rdarmand — Fri, 21 May 2004 21:23:01 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by your wrong on May 21, 2004Most people would call someone who knew the odds of winning the lottery and continued to play a fool.A man convinced against his will / Is of the same opinion still.On the other hand, when there's a chance to win millions of dollars that only costs a buck, some people would call someone who *didn't* play a fool.Not me, of course. Different people value a dollar differently. But I think that for most of us it's worth a buck just to have that c... [ More ]

Reply #21

NBey6 — Fri, 21 May 2004 21:12:30 GMT

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Reply #20

your wrong — Fri, 21 May 2004 20:58:56 GMT

If any of you try to dismiss my claims, please remember that you don't have the winning system or answer either.Your all not going to like me very much. I see so much potential in the minds of people in these forums. It really escapes me as to why the answer for many of us is so hard to believe. Yes you can apply a mathematical sequence to anything. I also believe that in an infinite amount of trials or less 2 random dvents will repeat. When your looking for patterns your doing it in hindsig... [ More ]

Reply #19

ayenowitall — Fri, 21 May 2004 09:04:44 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on May 20, 2004Bingo... any mathematical solution will need to act like a function...in a multi-draw game (6/49, 5/53 etc) it would need to incorporate gaps -OR- isolate numbers by position, requiring some tweaking to ensure they stay in the proper range... in a pick 3/ pick 4 type game, it would be 3 independent functions...I've been applying a form of number reduction to keep the numbers within pool parameters. So far, the results have always degenerate... [ More ]

Reply #18

ayenowitall — Fri, 21 May 2004 08:55:27 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on May 20, 2004Hello ayenowitallMaybe you should consider Lucas numbers instead of Fibonacci numbers. They are very similar:2-1-3-4-7-11-18-29-...BertilThank you for that suggestion. I've read of other sequences, but the Fibonacci is the one that first got my attention. I started with it because the premise behind it appealed to me. I'll definitely check into the Lucas numbers. I'm open to exploring anything that might actually yield usable results.... [ More ]

Reply #17

hypersoniq — Fri, 21 May 2004 00:59:58 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Guru on May 20, 2004In my opinion 1 mathematical equation will not show long term similarity with any lotto game in it's calculated results. For that, we need a dynamical equation, one that changes over time. To calculate the change of the equation, we need another dynamic equation, and so on... deeper and deeper.Bingo... any mathematical solution will need to act like a function...in a multi-draw game (6/49, 5/53 etc) it would need to incorporate gaps -OR- isolate nu... [ More ]

Reply #16

Bertil — Thu, 20 May 2004 22:17:54 GMT

Hello ayenowitallMaybe you should consider Lucas numbers instead of Fibonacci numbers. They are very similar:2-1-3-4-7-11-18-29-...Bertil

Reply #15

Bertil — Thu, 20 May 2004 22:12:49 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on May 07, 2004I've been working on developing a Fibonacci inspired mathematical sequence as a tool for predicting lottery draws. I've read at least one source that claims this won't work because lottery draws are not naturally occurring phenomena. I happen to think that we and all we do are products of nature, so I'm convinced that a mathematical sequence can be a useful predictor.A couple of nights ago I managed to stumble onto creating a sequence that s... [ More ]

Reply #14

desparado — Thu, 20 May 2004 21:45:47 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Guru on May 20, 2004Hi,As you all know, I'm an adept of the synchronicity theory.One remark to the original post here from ayenowitall.In my opinion 1 mathematical equation will not show long term similarity with any lotto game in it's calculated results. For that, we need a dynamical equation, one that changes over time. To calculate the change of the equation, we need another dynamic equation, and so on... deeper and deeper.what we do find in the results of single e... [ More ]

Reply #13

Guru — Thu, 20 May 2004 09:21:03 GMT

Hi,As you all know, I'm an adept of the synchronicity theory.One remark to the original post here from ayenowitall.In my opinion 1 mathematical equation will not show long term similarity with any lotto game in it's calculated results. For that, we need a dynamical equation, one that changes over time. To calculate the change of the equation, we need another dynamic equation, and so on... deeper and deeper.what we do find in the results of single equations are small parts that seem to behave fai... [ More ]

Reply #12

ayenowitall — Tue, 18 May 2004 09:29:42 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by rdarmand on May 16, 2004Unless you discard the assumption that lottery draws are independent dvents, no such pattern exists ... as your signature says quite well.If you are assuming that lottery draws are dependent dvents, I'd love to know more. Although I am dubious, there is a defensible -- to my mind -- argument for the universe being personal, laws being malleable, and so on. I seem to recall that the NY Pick 3 was 911 on the first anniversary of the terrorist att... [ More ]

Reply #11

rdarmand — Mon, 17 May 2004 04:26:52 GMT

Well, shucks. My clarificat

Reply #10

rdarmand — Mon, 17 May 2004 02:51:39 GMT

Come on, RJOh, you know that isn't true.If it were, all I'd have to do is buy 43 tickets to be certain of a win:(3,162,306 / 135,145,920) x 43 = 135,979,158 / 135,145,920 > 100%Incidentally, it should be clarified that the signature refers to winning once and only once; multiple wins are not accounted for in the calculation.

Reply #9

RJOh — Sun, 16 May 2004 23:02:21 GMT

The odds of winning a prize when you play MegaMillions n timeswinning combinations(3,162,306)_______________________________ X n (number of plays)possible combinations(135,145,920)RJOh

Reply #8

rdarmand — Sun, 16 May 2004 21:04:15 GMT

Unless you discard the assumption that lottery draws are independent dvents, no such pattern exists ... as your signature says quite well.If you are assuming that lottery draws are dependent dvents, I'd love to know more. Although I am dubious, there is a defensible -- to my mind -- argument for the universe being personal, laws being malleable, and so on. I seem to recall that the NY Pick 3 was 911 on the first anniversary of the terrorist attack; to call this coincidental stretches credulity... [ More ]

Reply #7

ayenowitall — Sat, 08 May 2004 21:02:32 GMT

Update

Reply #6

ayenowitall — Sat, 08 May 2004 04:25:09 GMT

RJ,Some years ago when I first started playing the lottery, I tried selecting numbers based on the historical parameters for each position. I had no trouble coming up with numbers, but I never had any success with cashing tickets. I hope you can manage to do better than I did. Good luck.BTW, I read through all the posts of a thread about the Lottosync system. It looks like there are quite a few unhappy campers out there. I sure hope Guru didn't market the same thing I'm developing. I'll not call... [ More ]

Reply #5

RJOh — Sat, 08 May 2004 04:02:05 GMT

ayenowitall,Years ago I worked as a technician in an Industrial Engineering Department and used work sampling to help set standards for production expectations with allowances for all kinds of random dvents. I always thought that maybe sampling could identify the most productive way to pick lottery numbers also, so I've been sampling past lottery history to find the most common parameters to pick my numbers for the next drawing, so far I haven't won a jackpot. I haven't been able to narrow the... [ More ]

Reply #4

ayenowitall — Sat, 08 May 2004 03:32:42 GMT

hyper,I initially

Reply #3

ayenowitall — Sat, 08 May 2004 03:23:24 GMT

RJ,I'm fairly new

Reply #2

hypersoniq — Sat, 08 May 2004 01:20:44 GMT

I remember reading someone using Pi as a source for pick3 numbers...I briefly toyed with the idea of using other mathematical constants like euler's number... but never actually worked anything out.

Reply #1

RJOh — Sat, 08 May 2004 00:47:06 GMT

Sounds like you are working on a system similar to Lottosync by Guru. He went to market with his ideas and some Lottery Post members bought his system. There have been several threads about it.RJOh

Mathematical Sequences

ayenowitall — Fri, 07 May 2004 23:06:26 GMT

I've been working on developing a Fibonacci inspired mathematical sequence as a tool for predicting lottery draws. I've read at least one source that claims this won't work because lottery draws are not naturally occurring phenomena. I happen to think that we and all we do are products of nature, so I'm convinced that a mathematical sequence can be a useful predictor.A couple of nights ago I managed to stumble onto creating a sequence that seems to offer quite a bit of promise. It seems to go be... [ More ]