Online lotteries in Brazil

Reply #49

BobP — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:52:53 GMT

If you watch any documentary on MLM the people on the bottom are screwed with a garage full of stock they find very hard to move. The entire focus is getting distributership status where you can sell those people the garage full of stock and move ever up riding their backs. The better (smarter) programs have learned to pretend the focus is on selling the product when everyone knows it's still on selling distributerships, you can't make a living selling anything to your co-workers and neighbors,... [ More ]

Reply #48

Todd — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:45:17 GMT

Joev, you're correct, that WGI

Reply #47

Joev — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:17:33 GMT

To Slampen and interested others,I am also from Brazil. I would just like to tell you that, as far as we know, there are ano agreements for foreigners to play Brazilian lotteries. If anything shows up in the press, I will post here!Our lotteries are run by the government only.Brazilian currency is the R$.(Real). Right now the exchange rate is approximately R$.3,00 to US$.1,00.Megasena (a 6/60 lottery) is played 3 times a week and nobody has won it for several draws. Next draw (tomorrow - Saturda... [ More ]

Reply #46

Todd — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:36:40 GMT

Prestige, You don't spell my name very well. How can you possibly be a savvy global business leader

Reply #45

Todd — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:35:35 GMT

Prestige, I have one better for you: YOU sound like a typical MLM person. Lying through your teeth continuously. 4 million Euros?! Please don't make me laugh. First of all, you are lying, and second of all if you did make that kind of money, I wouldn't go around bragging. Anything you scam out of people is something to be ASHAMED of.one2be, Hallo. I have actually been approached a couple of times to participate in Amway, and guess what? I turned them down every time. But WGI is even wors... [ More ]

Reply #44

Prestige — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:30:59 GMT

Reply #43

Prestige — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:20:10 GMT

Tod...Tod...hmmm I think I've heard that name somewhere...oh yea I know now, in mental hospital Suracose East-Berlin years ago was client name Tod, and do you know what? He talk just same way as this one Tod.Where are these people coming from?Ok, I AM WGI member on Prestige level, and VERY proud of it. I join the business 2,5 years ago and have made four million Euros (YES 4 MILLION EUROS) fortune in this business. Really strange that I havn't got ANY trouble doing my business in various countri... [ More ]

Reply #42

Prestige — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:00:56 GMT

Sorry Slampen but i am brazilian and as a lawyer i have to say that this called agreement between WGI and the brazilian goverment doesnt exist and the reason is very simple gambling in brasil is ILEGAL in any form and we can't even have fruit machines or Bingos here, the only game legal in brasil is the brazilian lottery and the money from that lottery dont really go to the goverment, it's used to pay university for poor people, arts, sports, charities and stuff like that. So all that bullsh*t a... [ More ]

Reply #41

one2be — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:13:52 GMT

Hallo ToddIs Herbalife and AloeVera also scam company together with the american Amway.Have you searsh for MLM company on the internet

Reply #40

Todd — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:27:30 GMT

You mean biggest scam company ever.

Reply #39

one2be — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:46:19 GMT

Reply #38

carolla25 — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:37:14 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by slampen on July 24, 2004The reason I started the thread was to get answers whether a new lottery was mentioned in newspapers and media, in Brazil or not, because I had heard someone who said, but was unable to check by myself because I don't read portuguese. Then I thought maybe some Brazilians visited these forums, but I was obviously wrong. I haven't started any spamming of the company nor its products, I was just answering the questions you guys asked me. In the o... [ More ]

Reply #37

konane — Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:29:20 GMT

For anyone needing any language translation, Mozilla Firefox (free) browser http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ has a (free) Translation Panel http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#configmania which translates several languages to English. Among the languages is Portuguese, Spanish, Chinese (yeah all those characters!), Japanese and Korean, plus others.Since the original poster seems to want to pursue perhaps this will be helpful. For my interest, enough has been said by people

Reply #36

surfmore — Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:38:13 GMT

Hello. I am a Brazillian and also a WGI member. As I am aware, there was no annoucements in the local newspapers or from the goverment regarding WGI operations in Brazil.I could find something documented about it on the corporate videos in the WGI webpage. Only there and information from my sponsor.Regards.

Reply #35

Todd — Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:31:03 GMT

I think you need to re-read what I said. I said Your points are pretty transparent. And yes, that is a criticism. I don't know who you're trying to convince, but I doubt you will find too many suckers here. Maybe you should try posting your nonsense to a forum with a less informed membership.

Reply #34

hughf — Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:26:41 GMT

You're accusing me of being transparent! Uh, is that a criticism? Maybe I should be trying to hide something? Good one

Reply #33

Todd — Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:49:36 GMT

huhf,Your points a

Reply #32

hughf — Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:34:24 GMT

I am a member of WGI from UK and happy to admit it. I found this site when I was looking up a WGI matter.Some interesting points here! Slampen seems to know his stuff, and I would back up most of his points.The reason the site is blocked in the US is that WG is not ready to launch in US yet - watch out when it does!It is not open to members in Australia (and a couple of other countries) because of the laws (ie gambling monopoly) there.I would just add that WGI has been passed as legitimate by th... [ More ]

Reply #31

BobP — Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:20:38 GMT

While wgi sends people to Plus Lotto I see nothing to indicate they are the owners of Plus Lotto rather then affiliates earning a commission for sending players to Plus Lotto like thousands of others.When it comes to pyramid schemes you know one when you see one by how one makes most of their money off the thing. Once scammers realized they had to have a product, they offered a product and the laws changed to whether the focus was on selling product or the downline. Where's the hook? Is it in... [ More ]

Reply #30

Todd — Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:38:30 GMT

Boots,I do not believe that you are not somehow involved with WGI. Being the owner of this site, I have quite a bit of experience with first-time posters, and I have developed a nose for deceptive people.WGI is a pyramid scheme. The product is there merely to attempt to legitimize the activity. It would not exist except for the purpose of implementing the pyramid scheme.I am sure you think you know more than the governments of the world, but you do not.WGI's deep pockets (as you say) ar... [ More ]

Reply #29

Boots — Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:21:29 GMT

I've been doing qute a bit of research into online gaming recently and came across this forum while researching online cross border lotteries. At the risk of interrupting a private argument it seems to me that both of you have missed something here and that is that WGI is not what the world would generally term a 'pyramid' scheme. Pyramid schemes are typically based purely or substantially on the money that changes hands rather than offering any kind of product. Pyramid schemes all dventually f... [ More ]

Reply #28

Todd — Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:55:52 GMT

Yes, as soon as I became aware of WGI's business model (pyramid scheme), I did become highly prejudiced against them. That's the way I am about all scammers, big or small. Then I received additional information from a Lottery Post member who has been in an investigation of the company for some time.I guess the fact that a company gets indicted by governments around the world doesn't even have you suspicious; you need a conviction before you'll even question the company. That is rather myopic... [ More ]

Reply #27

slampen — Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:01:15 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on July 24, 2004Yes, I see I cannot change your mind. A closed mind cannot be changed.For someone who started this thread innocently looking for information about WGI, you all the sudden seem to be an expert on the company. Perhaps your inquiry was just meant to get people to check out WGI, like a spammer.This WGI is like peeling back an onion, and it gets more rotten as you near the center.If the Australian case gets decided against WGI, I'm sure you'll still... [ More ]

Reply #26

Todd — Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:36:34 GMT

Yes, I see I cannot change your mind. A closed mind cannot be changed.For someone who started this thread innocently looking for information about WGI, you all the sudden seem to be an expert on the company. Perhaps your inquiry was just meant to get people to check out WGI, like a spammer.This WGI is like peeling back an onion, and it gets more rotten as you near the center.If the Australian case gets decided against WGI, I'm sure you'll still be in denial, but the rest of us will be laughing... [ More ]

Reply #25

slampen — Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:09:55 GMT

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Reply #24

Todd — Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:17:56 GMT

slampen,I can't believe you continue to support this scheme (WGI). What about the fact that they are lying about being registered in Norway?But wait, there's more. My great anonymous tipster sent me some more in-depth materials about them.This time from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commissions, including charges against CEO, Greg Kennedy and WGI's parent company, World Play Services for pyramid selling. His trial ended June 9, 2004 and the proceedings were adjourned for judgement.... [ More ]

Reply #23

slampen — Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:02:59 GMT

I have to reply to this. The Norwegian Gaming Board can't say WGI is illegal, even before any trial has taken place. What they say is WGIs lottery is illegal to advertise, because of the norwegian gaming monopoly - Norsk Tipping . WGI has not been charged anywhere, and ain't going to, simply because their business is legitimate and according to all laws and rules in the contries where WGI is operating.BUT; because Norway is a member of the E S/EFTA, they have certain obligations to follow regar... [ More ]

Reply #22

BobP — Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:27:52 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on July 22, 2004BobP,I think the point is that the company is an illegal pyramid scheme and they are lying about their registration in Norway, not that you can't play other states' games. WGI is not a real lottery-centric company, they are a MLM outfit masquerading as a lottery company.Dang, I do not want to argue WGI's side. Norway is saying WGI can't offer a lottery bacause they are not registered in Norway to opperate a lottery. Odds are they would not be g... [ More ]

Reply #21

Todd — Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:15:33 GMT

BobP,I think the point is that the company is an illegal pyramid scheme and they are lying about their registration in Norway, not that you can't play other states' games. WGI is not a real lottery-centric company, they are a MLM outfit masquerading as a lottery company.

Reply #20

BobP — Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:48:07 GMT

The only problem I see here is the regulation is based on, You shall play no lottery but your own. and not on whether the game is legitimate in its own right.Speaking for the lottery community, I believe players would prefer the option to pick and choose among all available legitimate lottery games being played nation and world wide.Prohibiting lottery games purely on the basis of location goes against the very freedoms we aspire to. This of course should not be confused with stamping out crim... [ More ]

Reply #19

Todd — Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:53:40 GMT

Wow, out of the blue I received a tip this evening from someone who wished to remain anonymous. It turns out that World Games Inc. is in fact an illegal pyramid scheme, and is not even registered in Norway as they fraudulently claim on their Web site. Here's the actual letter

Reply #18

slampen — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:17:53 GMT

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Reply #17

BobP — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:28:09 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by slampen on July 12, 2004As regards to this Virtual World Direct I don't know, maybe that's a pyramid scheme - haven't heard of it before. The text you refer to above come from an e-mail sent out from Sergeant Karen Suchar of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, as a personal scare campaign against WGI members and others. The truth is that there has not yet been even a trial in respect of this matter.The following article might be of interest, sent out by WGI Press Enq... [ More ]

Reply #16

BobP — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:05:33 GMT

The WGI home page is blocked to internet accounts in the U.S. and several other countries where WGI won't accept membership from. There are no physical products being sold that I can see. BobP

Reply #15

slampen — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:55:40 GMT

No, I'm not a lawyer

Reply #14

Todd — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:59:41 GMT

I did not say that the trial has been ruled on yet. I said they are scheduled for trial. We will see if they come back guilty or not.I think it's a bit early to say that WGI is fully legal in Canada. Are you a lawyer?In the States, we also have a saying: there's a sucker born every minute. (P.T. Barnum

Reply #13

slampen — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:41:38 GMT

As regards to this Virtual World Direct I don't know, maybe that's a pyramid scheme - haven't heard of it before. The text you refer to above come from an e-mail sent out from Sergeant Karen Suchar of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, as a personal scare campaign against WGI members and others. The truth is that there has not yet been even a trial in respect of this matter.The following article might be of interest, sent out by WGI Press Enquiries after some concerns among members:http://map... [ More ]

Reply #12

Todd — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:10:47 GMT

slampen,According

Reply #11

Todd — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:24:54 GMT

Excellent job BobP

Reply #10

BobP — Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:17:38 GMT

The Australian government calls it a pyramid scheme . . . The ACCC allege that the internet gaming scheme at www.worldgamesinc.con is a pyramid selling or referral selling scheme, and that the services offered to the scheme by WPS constitute participation in a pyramid scheme or referral selling. The ACCC also alleges that Mr Kennedy is knowingly concerned in this conduct. Their claim to be connected to Plus Lotto and Planet Lotto is stated in a funny way that could mean they are little more then... [ More ]

Reply #9

slampen — Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:34:47 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on July 10, 2004Thanks for the link.BobP is right: that is not an official government lottery, it is a private Internet lottery.Almost without exception, I advise people to stay away from those, because they are accountable to no one other than their personal bank accounts. In other words, if you think government lotteries have the potential for corruption, that potential for corruption would be ten-fold for private lotteries.Now, I believe your original questio... [ More ]

Reply #8

Todd — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:48:48 GMT

Thanks for the link.BobP is right: that is not an official government lottery, it is a private Internet lottery.Almost without exception, I advise people to stay away from those, because they are accountable to no one other than their personal bank accounts. In other words, if you think government lotteries have the potential for corruption, that potential for corruption would be ten-fold for private lotteries.Now, I believe your original question was about their signing an agreement with the B... [ More ]

Reply #7

slampen — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:33:01 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on July 10, 2004slampen,What is the Web site URL? I'd like to check it out.You find some basic information on http://www.worldgamesinc.com, but you need to be a member to access the products.

Reply #6

Todd — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:04:35 GMT

slampen,What is the Web site URL? I'd like to check it out.

Reply #5

BobP — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:27:27 GMT

You're losing me, Victor Chandler doesn't handle lottery and world games inc dot com is a pay to play fantasy stock market scheme with an inhouse lotto.BobP

Reply #4

slampen — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:21:51 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on July 10, 2004I wouldn't advise playing third world lotteries whose language you don't understand, who's security, currency and banking is questionable, you might as well reply to those Nigerian scam letters. No offense to my friends in Brazil, but China just had a big lottery scandle and they regulate everything, Brazil - half the spam I recieve comes from there like a river of crime.At first those 25/50 and 50/99 games sound real interesting and easy to win,... [ More ]

Reply #3

BobP — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:51:55 GMT

I wouldn't advise playing third world lotteries whose language you don't understand, who's security, currency and banking is questionable, you might as well reply to those Nigerian scam letters. No offense to my friends in Brazil, but China just had a big lottery scandle and they regulate everything, Brazil - half the spam I recieve comes from there like a river of crime.At first those 25/50 and 50/99 games sound real interesting and easy to win, but you'll soon find them not only just as hard o... [ More ]

Reply #2

slampen — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:41:33 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on July 10, 2004Really? Which online gaming company are you playing with?Hi,I'm playing with World Games Inc., which cooperates with the bookmaker Victor Chandler for the betting services.

Reply #1

Todd — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:33:57 GMT

Really? Which online gaming company are you playing with

Online lotteries in Brazil

slampen — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:56:06 GMT

Hi,I was wond