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Reply #12

BobP — Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:19:27 GMT

I think the eight line non split could be improved, but suspect for seven lines it has to be split.For example, I've found the only way to make 24,6,3,6 in 20 lines is split, takes 21 to do it non split. I don't have an objection to the wheel being split, my objection is the lottery player isn't told it's split and what that means to their playing strategy. BobP

Reply #11

lottoarchitect — Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:47:03 GMT

I had a better look at my wheel; it is a split wheel actually but not so easy to see. Anyway, I work on WG1.4 which tries to figure out the best wheel for any given ticket size. As there are many 18,6,3,6,7 wheels, perhaps there might be a non-split one with very good properties. I'll come back to this when I find one or conclude that there doesn't exist one.The wheel I was talking about is01 - 04 - 07 - 11 - 12 - 1301 - 04 - 08 - 12 - 13 - 1501 - 05 - 12 - 14 - 16 - 1702 - 03 - 06 - 09 - 10 - 1... [ More ]

Reply #10

BobP — Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:16 GMT

I too would go with a 7 line wheel if it wasn't split. Are you sure there aren't 6 numbers that are independent from the other 12? I won't ask you to post it because it enhances the value of your software if it's in there, nor will I ask you to email it because I couldn't keep it a secret, it would be too good. Now I'm off to try and make one for myself. BobP

Reply #9

lottoarchitect — Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:49:42 GMT

I'll not disagree with you. Your 1st wheel is generated using two different wheels. I have an (18,6,3,6,7) which is not a split wheel mix. Strangely enough, your 1st wheel is better at 4if7 hits than mine. This observation is enough to understand that all (18,6,3,6,7) are not the same in terms of hits and this what I try to say. Possibly there are many better 7 ticket wheels.Now, the inclusion of another ticket enhances the hits. I'll try to show some more in-depth analysis regarding the trade-o... [ More ]

Reply #8

BobP — Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:45:22 GMT

The breakdowns follow but as you know there is little to compare as each uses a different number of lines and all guarantee 3if6in18.My thinking is the first wheel in 7 lines is a 3if4of6in12numbers 6 lines and then an additional line with six more numbers is tacked on. A single line is a 3if3of6 wheel so the 3if3 and 3if4 wheels make a 3if6 overall. The problem is our desire isn't to win a 3# prize it's to do better and getting all 6 winning numbers among 6 or 12 is far less likely then among... [ More ]

Reply #7

lottoarchitect — Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:28:18 GMT

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Reply #6

BobP — Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:25:08 GMT

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Reply #5

lottoarchitect — Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:34:19 GMT

BobP, give me some more days to analyse these wheels. I work on a wheel analyser system to reveal all good and bad properties of wheels. For now, surely I'll not use the 2nd wheel. I would prefer the 1st one (fewer tickets) because adding tickets increases cost and also there are more than one (18,6,3,6,7) possible wheels. Is your suggested one here the best? Or there is another (18,6,3,6,7) which offers better hit results? From my work, I've found out that among all valid wheels of a specific t... [ More ]

Reply #4

BobP — Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:48:05 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by apagogeas on August 12, 2004I think what relowe tries to say is that when a program declares eg 5 if 7 guarantee, then it has to be an 100% cover wheel. I made my tests on some of the above wheels and indeed they do not offer 100% guarantee.BobP, the 1st target of a wheel is to offer the specified guarantee at a minimum set of lines.2nd target is to offer more hits on the guarantee prize level and all upwards categories with the same minimal tickets size.3rd target is... [ More ]

Reply #3

lottoarchitect — Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:59:02 GMT

I think what relowe tries to say is that when a program declares eg 5 if 7 guarantee, then it has to be an 100% cover wheel. I made my tests on some of the above wheels and indeed they do not offer 100% guarantee.BobP, the 1st target of a wheel is to offer the specified guarantee at a minimum set of lines.2nd target is to offer more hits on the guarantee prize level and all upwards categories with the same minimal tickets size.3rd target is to be a balanced wheel (all numbers have equal chance t... [ More ]

Reply #2

relowe — Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:20:19 GMT

BobP,Thanks for the links in your post. Good sources indeed and I now have them to do some work with.relowe

Reply #1

BobP — Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:22:59 GMT

For big wheels you want to get a copy of CoverMaster, the older version 54 is available here http://www.lotto-logix.com/wheellinks.html and there is also a link to the latest version free with a UK ebay registration, get both as it can take a few days to get the password back for the newer.While you're there visit http://www.lotto-logix.com/lottosoft.html and get the demo copy of Lottery Director with 800 free wheels and Lottery Cracker2 which makes a balanced 6/48 number wheel in 8 lines. The t... [ More ]

Other wheels

relowe — Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:19:14 GMT

There are many posts in this forum relating to wheels, and for good reason. Wheels are a fundamental component of many lotto programs and allow us to play an enlarged number set at reduced prices. From a player point of view wheels need to live up to their guarantee and whilst doing this they need to operate at a minimum number of ticket sets to enable one to keep playing costs to a minimum. So I thought I might have a look around to see the wheeling provided in some of the current software, bu... [ More ]