How magic do people expect wheels to be?

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sharas — Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:38:40 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by dragon on September 26, 2004Quote: Originally posted by sharas on September 26, 2004i have never won nothing till i started using wheels...when i play lottery its always with wheels.What about yoru playing habits when you started using wheels? How much money did you spend on the lottery before wheels, and how much after? Did you play approximately the same number of lines?surely i spend more money, but i have never managed to win a 4.so if wheels force me to spend mor... [ More ]

Reply #11

dragon — Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:58:32 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by sharas on September 26, 2004i have never won nothing till i started using wheels...when i play lottery its always with wheels.What about yoru playing habits when you started using wheels? How much money did you spend on the lottery before wheels, and how much after? Did you play approximately the same number of lines

Reply #10

Maryland — Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:15:36 GMT

I look at a wheels distribution and then try to put frequent pairs where they belong.

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sharas — Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:25:57 GMT

i have never won nothing till i started using wheels...when i play lottery its always with wheels.

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dragon — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:59:28 GMT

hypersoniq:Good description of the 2 phase process. I am also in phase 1. If I ever get to a point where I have numbers that I am happy with, then phase 2 comes into play. Right now it would be a waste of money, I can assure you.I am still working on my psychic endeavors for phase 1.I have also decided to break down and implement a neural net to pick numbers. I just started dusting off my old notes and blowling the cobwebs out of my brain. It's been many years that I coded a neural net, and it... [ More ]

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BobP — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:03:35 GMT

you are guaranteed to match 3... IF you picked 6 correct numbers out of the 12 that make up the wheel... When you can't satisfy the IF clause, the wheel will not win.... even 5 in 12 might undermine the wheel design and return far less than expected... you have to ask yourself if it is worth playing all those lines to guarantee a match3 on ONE line... and even that's not 100% guaranteed, unless the IF clause is satisfied._____Actually any two lines with 12 different numbers between them make a 3... [ More ]

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BobP — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:51:25 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Fenix on September 25, 2004Quote: Originally posted by BobP on September 25, 2004When you load the wheel, make it a point to put the numbers in groups you hope will be drawn together. Get two groups correct you you don't just win a 4# prize, you win a jackpot !!! BobPThere is a very small problem There are ONLY 169,712,676 different combinations of 2 X 3 numbers in a 6/49 lottery using COMBIN(18424,2). Couple per week and the jackpot might be there soon...A small pr... [ More ]

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hypersoniq — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:21:53 GMT

Games should be played in a 2 phase process...Phase 1 = Prediction (determining what numbers are most likely to be drawn... methods vary wildly and none are really consistent)Phase 2 = Betting strategy (to play or not to play, how much to play and how to arrange the predicted numbers, the home of wheels)Wheels are a phase 2 tool, until prediction can be brought under consistent control they really don't do any more than advertised... remember all exclusion wheels have an out , that out is whate... [ More ]

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Fenix — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 06:00:42 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on September 25, 2004 When you load the wheel, make it a point to put the numbers in groups you hope will be drawn together. Get two groups correct you you don't just win a 4# prize, you win a jackpot !!! BobPThere is a very small problem There are ONLY 169,712,676 different combinations of 2 X 3 numbers in a 6/49 lottery using COMBIN(18424,2). Couple per week and the jackpot might be there soon...

Reply #3

dragon — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 05:04:53 GMT

The problem is that you have to pick the correct 6 numbers in the 12 you used in the wheel. The chance of that happening, multiplied by the chances of the wheel turn out to be exactly the same as using 6 quick picks. That's what serchad above was asking about.If you leave off where BobP left off, and if you don't understand the math behind picking 12 numbers and having the 6 drawn numbers be in them, you might be led to believe you have some magic advantage. You do not, and the con artists cou... [ More ]

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BobP — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 04:56:10 GMT

A properly made and tested wheel will do exactly what it says. If it 100% guarantees a 3# win when all six winning numbers are among the numbers wheeled, then that is the least you can expect. If there is concurrently 10% coverage of a 4# win when all six winning numbers are among the numbers wheeled, then you can reasonably expect a 4# win one time in ten times this comes about. It isn't rocket science and it isn't a scam, it simply is what it tests to be.The trick if there can be said to be... [ More ]

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Guru — Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:45:27 GMT

Wheels on itself are useless if you want to win more.When playing with a wheel you'll win lower prizes less frequently than when playing the same amount of picks randomly.But, when you hit, you have a better chance of hitting MORE lower prizes at the same time, or hitting a higher prize than you would with the random picks.In fact, over longer periods of time you'll LOOSE aproximately the same amount of money as with random play.Making a high prize possible within the wheel implies severe restr... [ More ]

How magic do people expect wheels to be?

serchad — Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:09:41 GMT

Sometimes I think people expect to much from them although looking at some sites that sell wheels or wheeling services I'm not surprised. As usual they sell them with false promises so typically used by con artists.