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Dec 3, 2004, 4:16 am

Win d has a set of 60 numbers and I have a set of 50 numbers that we have posted and believe that they can be played for a profit. I want to compare them for the 5 states that I track. I don't know which list is going to be the most profitable, yet (but as you will see California is best for my set), but I want to do a fair evaluation of both sets.

Here is the set by Win d:

012 013 014 015 016 017 018 019

023 024 025 026 027 028 029 034

035 036 037 038 039 045 046 047

048 049 056 057 058 059 067 068

069 078 079 089 123 124 125 126

127 128 129 134 135 136 137 138

139 145 146 147 148 149 156 157

158 159 167 168 (60 numbers)

The red numbers in the lists are the numbers that are the same in my list and Win d's list.

Here is my list:

017 018 019 027 029 037 038 039

047 049 057 058 059 067 069 077

078 079 089 118 127 128 129 138

147 148 149 158 167 168 169 178

188 189 227 229 237 238 239 247

249 257 258 259 267 269 277 278

279 289 (50 numbers)

Here is the results of the comparison between the 2 lists for the last 100 draws for California:

CA	Win D	CD
009
076	B	B
666
247		S
319	B
927		B
476
418	B	B
173	B
532
656
098	B	B
138	S	S
160	B
072	B	B
178		S
516	B
299
615	B
722		B
364
712	B	B
405	B
165	B
999
785
939
381	B	B
644
100
973
726
513	B
666
006
925		B
019	S	S
415	B
133
560	B
191
307	B	B
972		B
060
962		B
686
659
151
020
797
430	B
661
199
203	B
120	B
650	B
460	B
107	B	B
348
431	B
824
085	B	B
840	B
082	B
034	B
460	B
178		S
200
149	S	S
006
607	B	B
009
488
421	B
155
849
040
995
205	B
879
587
846
201	B
730	B	B
974
987
643
088
021	B
611
098	B	B
658
327		B
861	B	B
358
187		B
965
015	B
590	B	B
158	S	S

I think the best way to make a fair comparison is to see how much would be spent playing 25 cent tickets at and what the return would be.

Win d has 39 BOX and 3 STRAIGHT hits.

I have 21 BOX (with 1 being a double) and 7 STRAIGHT hits.

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Win d investment: 60 tickets x 100 draws x $0.25 = $1500 bet

Playing box = 39 wins x $37.50 = $1462.50 won = $37.50 LOST

Playing straight = 3 wins x $225.00 = $675.00 won = $825.00 LOST

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CalifDude investment: 50 tickets x 100 draws x $0.25 = $1250 bet

Playing box = 20 wins x $37.50 = $750.00 + 1 win x $75 = $825 won = $425.00 LOST

Playing straight = 7 wins x $225.00 = $1575.00 won = $325.00 WON

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As has been pointed out by others that have studied Win d's set of numbers using info from their states, you have to play straights to make any money unless a pattern can be found. Win d suggests that you wait until two doubles have hit (I guess in a row) and then play for a straight. I suggest that you wait until one of my numbers hits and then play (I guess a straight) for the next 3 draws.

This is an interesting work in progress!

I hope this post will help others to study this and give all of us some suggestions on how to best play these sets of numbers.

takeitez

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Dec 3, 2004, 6:07 am

Thanks CD, great work. I noticed in the post, you play some doubles and Win D does not. What is the reasonninig behind this. You are such a good stat person I know you must have a reason why you put in the doubles.
EZ

........ in the long run........
Todd

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Dec 3, 2004, 6:52 am

Here's both of your numbers combined, Deflated:
Results: 82
Tier 2
017(017) 018(018) 019(019) 027(027) 029(029) 037(037) 038(038) 039(039) 047(047) 049(049) 057(057) 058(058) 059(059) 067(067) 069(069) 078(078) 079(079) 089(089) 127(127) 128(128) 129(129) 138(138) 147(147) 148(148) 149(149) 158(158) 167(167) 168(168)
Tier 1
012 013 014 015 016 023 024 025 026 028 034 035 036 045 046 048 056 068 123 124 125 126 134 135 136 137 139 145 146 156 157 159 077 118 169 178 188 189 227 229 237 238 239 247 249 257 258 259 267 269 277 278 279 289
Input:
012 013 014 015 016 017 018 019 023 024 025 026 027 028 029 034 035 036 037 038 039 045 046 047 048 049 056 057 058 059 067 068 069 078 079 089 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 134 135 136 137 138 139 145 146 147 148 149 156 157 158 159 167 168 017 018 019 027 029 037 038 039 047 049 057 058 059 067 069 077 078 079 089 118 127 128 129 138 147 148 149 158 167 168 169 178 188 189 227 229 237 238 239 247 249 257 258 259 267 269 277 278 279 289
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Dec 3, 2004, 7:16 am

Good Morning Todd. Thanks for the deflation.
CD already deflated my str. hits .....LOL He missed 2 Straights on the Win d side. (015 and 034). I think thats all of them....I miss them too. So... thats a total of 5 Straights. Thats OK .....yesterday CD helped me find an extra . I know it's hard to proof your own stuff. The extra straights and $450.00 dollars don't seem to help in this example anyway.
Todd ... you input the 50 and 60 for 110 and deflate to 82. What can this tell us? Of the 28 unlike .....we already know that there are 10 uncommon numbers...... can we find those plus the additional 18 in the deflation? Thanks

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Dec 3, 2004, 8:23 am

Waiting on Special Days to play
Here's something interesting. Check out the idea of only playing after you get 2 doubles in a row.......then playing only the next day!
There were only 6 times that Doubles hit back to back in the test. These were the numbers that followed those doubles and the results. Playing only on these special days ....we would have hit 4 out of 6 times we played and one of these would be a STAIGHT HIT . Yes...
1. 849 miss
2. 607 Hit
3. 430 Hit
4. 151 miss
5. 513 Hit
6. 138 Staight Hit

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Dec 3, 2004, 8:47 am

A tier 0 would be nice addition to the deflater. (Combos that haven't hit). Finding the one's in the deflation that haven't hit and the one's that haven't hit of 220 combos. Say I put in the last 167 draws or whatever number it shows the combos that have hit once(tier 1) and then have it go to show the combos that haven't come in of the 220 combos.

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Dec 3, 2004, 8:51 am

Me too Gilla ! Yes sir good one. Thanks

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
CalifDude

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Dec 3, 2004, 9:09 am

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 3, 2004

CD already deflated my str. hits .....LOL He missed 2 Straights on the Win d side. (015 and 034).

I'm sorry, Win d. So you have 5 straights and I have 7. As you point out, it is still a loss for you, but neither one of us expects someone to play ALL the numbers EVERY draw. It is just a good way to compare since we have different amount of numbers and payouts (I play doubles).
CalifDude

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Dec 3, 2004, 9:14 am

Quote: Originally posted by takeitez on December 3, 2004

Thanks CD, great work. I noticed in the post, you play some doubles and Win D does not. What is the reasonninig behind this. You are such a good stat person I know you must have a reason why you put in the doubles.
EZ

I play doubles because I play at . To cover ALL possible combos with a double you only have to play 3 tickets (actually I still play only one box, but increase the amount of the bet to play straight). It takes 6 tickets to cover all possible combos of a non-double number, so it costs TWICE as much to insure a straight playing non-doubles. The biggest kicker is that at they pay TWICE as much for a double box as a non-double box!! Seems to be a "no-brainer" to play 1/2 as much to bet but get paid twice as much on a win!!
Yes, doubles come in less frequently, but the odds of 666 coming in are EXACTLY the same as 159...1000:1.

So there you have it!!
CalifDude

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Dec 3, 2004, 9:36 am

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 3, 2004

Waiting on Special Days to play
Here's something interesting. Check out the idea of only playing after you get 2 doubles in a row.......then playing only the next day!
There were only 6 times that Doubles hit back to back in the test. These were the numbers that followed those doubles and the results. Playing only on these special days ....we would have hit 4 out of 6 times we played and one of these would be a STAIGHT HIT . Yes...
1. 849 miss
2. 607 Hit
3. 430 Hit
4. 151 miss
5. 513 Hit
6. 138 Staight Hit

When you say we hit 4 out of 6, then you must be playing a box. That would have given you a profit...6 times played x 60 tickets x $0.25 = $90 bet. 4 x $37.50 = $150 paid back = $60 profit.
If you were playing a straight each time then you have only 1 win...$90 bet and $225 paid back = $135 profit.
I haven't taken the time to figure out my way of playing, yet (using my list wait until there is a hit and then play the next 3 draws...by the way it "resets" after each hit so you may play more than just 3 times in a row).
Todd

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Dec 3, 2004, 9:46 am

Quote: Originally posted by gilla on December 3, 2004

A tier 0 would be nice addition to the deflater. (Combos that haven't hit). Finding the one's in the deflation that haven't hit and the one's that haven't hit of 220 combos. Say I put in the last 167 draws or whatever number it shows the combos that have hit once(tier 1) and then have it go to show the combos that haven't come in of the 220 combos.

You can already do that. In Deflate 3, just choose the option to Deflate all combos minus the ones in your list.

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Dec 3, 2004, 9:50 am

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on December 3, 2004

Here's both of your numbers combined, Deflated:
Results: 82
Tier 2
017(017) 018(018) 019(019) 027(027) 029(029) 037(037) 038(038) 039(039) 047(047) 049(049) 057(057) 058(058) 059(059) 067(067) 069(069) 078(078) 079(079) 089(089) 127(127) 128(128) 129(129) 138(138) 147(147) 148(148) 149(149) 158(158) 167(167) 168(168)
Tier 1
012 013 014 015 016 023 024 025 026 028 034 035 036 045 046 048 056 068 123 124 125 126 134 135 136 137 139 145 146 156 157 159 077 118 169 178 188 189 227 229 237 238 239 247 249 257 258 259 267 269 277 278 279 289
Input:
012 013 014 015 016 017 018 019 023 024 025 026 027 028 029 034 035 036 037 038 039 045 046 047 048 049 056 057 058 059 067 068 069 078 079 089 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 134 135 136 137 138 139 145 146 147 148 149 156 157 158 159 167 168 017 018 019 027 029 037 038 039 047 049 057 058 059 067 069 077 078 079 089 118 127 128 129 138 147 148 149 158 167 168 169 178 188 189 227 229 237 238 239 247 249 257 258 259 267 269 277 278 279 289
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From this which tier would have the highest chance
of hitting?
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Dec 3, 2004, 10:02 am

Blackapple,
The Deflate shows you which number combinations appear the most times in the list that you input. What you make of that information is completely up to you. The most common way to use the information is to play the numbers that appear in the higher tier(s), because they are in the list the most times.
The numbers in parentheses are the other ways that the combination appears in the list. For example 123(312) would mean that the 123 combination came up twice: once as 123 and the other time as 312.
The reason that I'm not just coming out and saying "play the tier 2 numbers" is that different people may want to interpret the results differently. For example, if someone likes playing cold numbers, then maybe they would play the lower tier.

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Dec 3, 2004, 10:13 am

But, the tiers don't work at all in this case. The numbers are just from Win d's list and my list. These are NOT draws, so the tiers only show the duplicate numbers between the 2 lists.
In this case, the Deflate 3 does nothing to help select what to play as far as hot/cold, etc.
takeitez

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Dec 3, 2004, 10:14 am

Playing Ga. (combinned draws) at for $2 a number ($1 str and $1 bx)would cost $120 to play Win D list. The last 100 draws show 6 plays , playing only after a double comes 2 times, that happened 5 times but one time doubles came 3 in a row. SO 6 x $120 = $720 (cost to play ) and 3 box wins @ $150 + 1 str @ $900 =$1350 won for a profit of $630 !!!
Way to go CD and Win D !!
ez

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