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Does the numeric value printed on the ball factor into your analysis/forcasting system?

Yes.

[ 9 ]

[ 29.0% ]

No.

[ 15 ]

[ 48.4% ]

Sometimes.

[ 2 ]

[ 6.4% ]

What system?

[ 5 ]

[ 16.1% ]

Total valid votes

[ 31 ]

Discarded votes

[ 9 ]

jonathan

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Oct 26, 2005, 6:15 pm

Hello! I'm fairly new to lottery playing (and to Lottopost.com) and I've been examining the various strategies that people use from various sites on the Internet. I'm curious how many people here use analysis/forcasting systems that involve calculations based on the number printed on the ball (or virtual ball for those in computerized realms). I have seen some strategies that involve taking a sum of the numbers drawn, and others that work with 'deltas' taking the difference between each number in a draw, or from draw to draw. Personally I think the number printed on the ball is just an arbitrary identifier; they could just as easily have names like 'Larry' or 'Jill' as the '14' or '42' they curently bear.

Also I'm wondering of people in areas where the draws are produced from one of several drawing machines, if they take that into consideration when doing analysis. That is, do you treat the ball labeled '1' on machine 'A' the same as the ball '1' on machine 'B'?
Tenaj

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Oct 26, 2005, 6:24 pm

I vote no!

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cfelder8

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Oct 26, 2005, 6:44 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on October 26, 2005

I vote no!

hi, tenaj

i"m interesting in find out how does the lottery bible works. I"m from S.C and i"m always one off. or when i stop playing the number it comes out.
hypersoniq

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Oct 27, 2005, 7:18 pm

I only play the powerball... they use an actively rotating group of four machines for the white balls (including 4 sets of balls) and four machines for the powerball # (4 sets of powerballs too). they provide this info on their website but it's too late to be of any use, they also post their pre and post draws (2-3 draws to test the equipment beforehand and 2-3 afterwards to make sure tampering did not take place).

I believe that numbers are just an arbitrary identifier, but they are the only identifier so don't be too wary of using them... just not as numbers that can be manipulated with math.

I tried deltas, results are just as random... as are even/odd, high/low, decades(kinda like v-tracs for groups of 53 and 42 numbers, respectively)

Have an EXCELlent day!
BaristaExpress

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Oct 27, 2005, 9:26 pm

Yes, Powerball has test draws and yes they are posted on their website! But in the scope of things being said here, I'm afraid hypersoniq is incorrect. Powerball does 4 test draws and then the actual (Money) draw occurs, I think that would make it the 5th draw! Then there is one more draw (post draw as it's called) and that makes 6 drawings in total that have occurred!

Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true!
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Oct 28, 2005, 4:05 am

It would seem that the numeric value printed on the ball determines if I am a jackpot winner or not... so, i guess it would factor in.

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powerplayer

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Oct 28, 2005, 6:01 am

Ok if there is no numeric vaule on the ball then ......it wouldn't be the lotto with #'s.

U have to have a # there. I can't say this is the only factor I use but, with out a vaule on the ball then u don't have anything analysis/forcasting system.

If there was another object on the ball other then a # then how would this be lotto?

I don't think there is enough fruit out there or what ever u want to use to replace #'s

Good luck to everyone!!!
powerplayer

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Oct 28, 2005, 6:09 am

BaristaExpress,

I found your post very interesting about powerball. Is this still the same for the new matrix? The ball sets had to change unless they just got some extra balls to make up the 3 # differenece (53,54,55) from the old matrix.

I'm wondering does any one think that if they rotate the machines and balls if there is a way to watch the PB on TV and tell the differences between the machines. Everything has a difference in appearance. I'm thinking maybe there is a way to figure this out.

I also did something the other week just to see what I would see. I watch the powerball drawing from the big one that hit the other week online and played it in slow motion. You can get a better feeling of how the balls tumble if you watch it slowly. The elevator that picks up the ball seems to bother me. Any one else? What happen to the old throw the balls around in the machine no elevator just a vacum to suck the ball up for the winning #. I also noticed when the balls tumble they stop and then the elevator picks up one. Well is this ramdom any more then? The balls are not moving so what if the bigger #'s stay mainly on the outer side when they settle then you wouldn't get much high #'s or visa versa. We have had a lot of high #'s like 50 multiple times. So is this ramdom or is it a act of the machine/s.

I still say anything that a human makes is breakable!! RNG is not really RNG if a human made it. Anything a human creates I would believe is breakable right???

Any idea's/suggestions would be great!!

Good luck to everyone!!!
JAG331

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Oct 28, 2005, 9:00 am

Does numeric value matter? Yes and no.

I like Jadelottery's response, that the numbers are what make you a jackpot winner!

I don't value one number over another...in the long run, they should all behave exactly the same. Unless, or course, the machine or RNG favors one number over another.
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Native American Eagle Sun

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Oct 28, 2005, 2:22 pm

I've been think about this a bit. We appear to be putting the emphasis on the balls. However, the balls are just a randomizing transport device. I suppose the states could have painted the numbers on Jello squares, but decided that would be ineffective and messy.

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RJOh

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Oct 28, 2005, 6:17 pm

Ohio have had loser lotteries where the players sent in losing tickets with their names on them and I don't think the results were as random as using numbers. One time the postal workers were putting their envelopes of tickets in the the mail bags last and they were the first to be pulled out. Had not so many postal workers from their local post office won, the State would have never caught on.

If you want to cover all the combinations in a wheel, you got to deal with numbers. If you don't want to play certain combinations, you got to deal with numbers. Unless you're playing QPs, you got to deal with numbers and if you check your QPs for winners and you don't have the right numbers then you lose.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
paurths

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Oct 28, 2005, 6:34 pm

The numbers, or "numeric value printed on the ball", or just about the only thing you got.
Converting them to "delta#", or "VTracks", or anything else does not mean you're not dealing with the numbers anymore, b/c you still are.

OddEven, Decades, Sums, Sumdifferences, Positiontracking, calculating medians, repeaters, consecutive numbers, consecutive with gap of one for odd or even, reversed, shortsums (ldr), root, sumdigits, straightdifference, boxeddifference, 1stepair-gap since last time it fell (second and third is also counted), ldr-root-sumdigits of all 3 pairs (for pick3), etc. etc.

It's all about the numbers.
Not b/c it's the way, but b/c its the only way to identify them balls...
hypersoniq

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Oct 28, 2005, 8:50 pm

my bad... it is 4 pre +live draw+1 post. bad memory. I have not used that data at all since updates arrive too late to make use of.

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BaristaExpress

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Oct 28, 2005, 10:03 pm

I found your post very interesting about powerball. Is this still the same for the new matrix? The ball sets had to change unless they just got some extra balls to make up the 3 # differenece (53,54,55) from the old matrix. I would hope they changed out all of the balls and not just added the new balls (numbers) in with the older ones!

Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true!
hypersoniq

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Oct 30, 2005, 11:22 pm

new matrix ball sets and machine data...

white ball machines = 5,6,7 & 8
white ball sets = 25,26,27 & 28
Red Ball machines = 5,6,7 & 8
Red Ball sets = 9,10 & 11

if anyone tracked this on the old matrix, what were the machines and ballsets used for the following 2 draws?

8/24/2005
8/27/2005

I don't have a use for them at the moment but I just hate looking at an unfinished spreadsheet. :-)

Have an EXCELlent day!

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