A woman bought a winning lottery ticket worth $1 million with a stolen credit card and could wind up with nothing if convicted, police said.
Christina Goodenow, 38, of White City in southern Oregon faced numerous theft-related charges, forgery and possession of methamphetamine, said authorities, who searched her home Thursday. The card belonged to a deceased relative, they said.
If convicted of any of the charges, Goodenow will not be able to collect prize money from the winning ticket, said police Lt. Tim George.
Oregon Lottery officials refused to discuss specifics of the case because an investigation is still under way.
"I'll be fascinated to see how this shakes out," Lottery spokesman Chuck Baumann said. "In my 12 years with the Oregon Lottery, this is the first time I've encountered something like this."
Goodenow purchased the winning ticket October 9 using a credit card that had belonged to her mother-in-law, who died more than a year ago, police said.
Goodenow traveled to Oregon Lottery headquarters in Salem on October 12 to accept an installment payment of $33,500. The $1 million grand prize is paid out over 20 years.
Detectives began tracking Goodenow on Wednesday after learning that she had used the credit card to purchase several items, including the ticket.
A search warrant served at her home Thursday turned up some methamphetamine, but little money, George said.
"Our investigation is still trying to determine what happened to the $33,500," George said.
In Ohio and PA, you can't buy lottery tickets with a credit card. I thought all lotteries were that way, I guess not.
It was dumb of her to purchase lottery tickets with a stolen credit card. To me it's like that guy who used drug money to buy tickets. I don't think she should get to keep it.
What an idiot. She will win the Idiot of the year award!
Losers have a way of keeping on being losers. Human genius takes some strange turns trying to keep itself from being spotted.
Jack
Duh !!!!!!!
Homer Simpson : Doh !!!
That money should be used in a drug rehab instead of a senator's pocket
In Ohio and PA, you can't buy lottery tickets with a credit card. I thought all lotteries were that way, I guess not.
Even if the law says you can't use credit, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Every now and then when I've bought gas and a ticket the clerk has asked if I wanted the ticket on the credit card, too. I don't remember exactly when the law changed to make it illegal to buy tickets with credit, but I'm pretty sure I've charged the tickets a couple of times since it happened.
I'd be curious to see some info on how the cops know the ticket was put on the credit card. This may also develop into the most interesting lawsuit yet over ownership of a winning ticket. If the credit card company was charged and paid for the ticket it seems that they've got a reasonable claim to ownership, and it certainly won't be a he said, she said argument.
If she was smart she would have used a cash advance.
In Ohio and PA, you can't buy lottery tickets with a credit card. I thought all lotteries were that way, I guess not.
Even if the law says you can't use credit, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Every now and then when I've bought gas and a ticket the clerk has asked if I wanted the ticket on the credit card, too. I don't remember exactly when the law changed to make it illegal to buy tickets with credit, but I'm pretty sure I've charged the tickets a couple of times since it happened.
I'd be curious to see some info on how the cops know the ticket was put on the credit card. This may also develop into the most interesting lawsuit yet over ownership of a winning ticket. If the credit card company was charged and paid for the ticket it seems that they've got a reasonable claim to ownership, and it certainly won't be a he said, she said argument.
Maybe a family member snitched on them. Or maybe the woman used the card before to purchase things & there was an alert on the card.
Now I've heard everything!
That money should be used in a drug rehab instead of a senator's pocket
It should go to the real owner of the credit card.
In Kentucky you can use a Visa/Mastercard Check Card to pay for lottery tickets but it has to be made as a debit not credit purchase.
I am confident, if you steal my card, and try to buy a lottery ticket, you will have exceeded the spending limit.
Let's assume that the tickets were Quick Pick. Timing is EVERYTHING. A split second earlier or later would have resulted in nonwinning numbers. A timeline in which the tickets were purchased with cash or a legitimate credit card would have affected the exact timing of the RNG in the machine, and there would be no story here. She was just not meant to win! A major lesson from God not to live that kind of life.
the lottery giveth and the lottery taketh away!
Too late...
"A search warrant served at her home Thursday turned up some methamphetamine, but little money, George said."
That money should be used in a drug rehab instead of a senator's pocket
It should go to the real owner of the credit card.
Well it will have to go to her estate then...
"Goodenow purchased the winning ticket October 9 using a credit card that had belonged to her mother-in-law, who died more than a year ago, police said."
There's nothing Goodenow about a lottery prize that doesn't have a cash option.
LOL. Cash Only, now that was funny.
Maybe Ms. Goodenow should go visit Steven West for advice, since they both live in Medford, OR.
jag:
Don't forget OR has an online version of Lose for Life. Perhaps Ms Bad-enow plays it too.
Let's assume that the tickets were Quick Pick. Timing is EVERYTHING. A split second earlier or later would have resulted in nonwinning numbers. A timeline in which the tickets were purchased with cash or a legitimate credit card would have affected the exact timing of the RNG in the machine, and there would be no story here. She was just not meant to win! A major lesson from God not to live that kind of life.
Not really a major lesson from God. A major lesson from God is when he kills every one that doesn't agree with him. Forgot the thing about the Ark already? Or the Egyptian male babies?
As long as it is legal in her state to use a credit card to purchase the ticket, then she will certainly have a great lawsuit if they refuse her the money. She will get much more than a million! Even though she was breaking the law with the use of the card, and she may have other problems like drug use, that has nothing to do with winning the money. She was smart enough not to keep her first winning installment in the house, the Cops would have probably pocketed it when they searched her house. Good for her! Hope she winds up in the end with ten million!
As long as it is legal in her state to use a credit card to purchase the ticket, then she will certainly have a great lawsuit if they refuse her the money. She will get much more than a million! Even though she was breaking the law with the use of the card, and she may have other problems like drug use, that has nothing to do with winning the money. She was smart enough not to keep her first winning installment in the house, the Cops would have probably pocketed it when they searched her house. Good for her! Hope she winds up in the end with ten million!
You seem to be a bit confused. If somebody throws away a winning ticket and somebody else finds it and claims the prize the law may be a bit vague about ownership, but the law is crystal clear when somebody buys something with a stolen credit card. If you buy something with a stolen credit card you don't own it. Period. If she's convicted of illegally using the card then she doesn't own the ticket or anything else she bought with the card, and if you don't own a lottery ticket there's not a chance in hell you're entitled to any prize based on that ticket. If she's not convicted then she might get the money. About the only safe bet in this story is that she doesn't have much of a case for a lawsuit based on anything reported in the story.
That money should be used in a drug rehab instead of a senator's pocket
It should go to the real owner of the credit card.
The real owner of a credit card is *always* the company that issues the card, and they're also the one that pays the merchant if a purchase turns out to be fraudulent. If a credit card company pays for merchandise that was purchased fraudulently, I expect they'd be the rightful owner if the merchandise is recovered. Unless the person the card is issued to pays for any fraudulent charges on the card there's no reason at all that they would have any claim on merchandise bought by somebody using the card without authorization.
Since the woman the card was issued to had died more than a year earlier, I'd guess that somebody was making the minimum monthly payments if the card had been used during that time, because the card issuer isn't likely to authorize new charges if an outstanding bill hasn't been paid for several months. If the daughter in law can show that she was making payments it might save her from a conviction for stealing the card and for forgery, but I doubt she'd win a suit claiming that she's entitled to the winnings unless she can also prove that she was an authorized user of the card.
Quote in part from K Y Floyd: " If the credit card company was charged and paid for the ticket it seems that they've got a reasonable claim to ownership, and it certainly won't be a he said, she said argument."
Inaccurate statement. Read any credit card agreement. Creditors do not have a clause proclaiming ownership of items/products. Otherwise I'd be glad to put all my utility bills on a credit card and let the credit card companies claim ownership of the bills! :) what a credit card company does have the right to do is limit its usage when it comes to gaming/lottery.
I side with fair is fair. The ticket is a winner and the person followed the rules of filing properly.
I agree. Credit card companies do not lay claim to items purchased with their cards. In addition, if there is nothing in writing in their credit card agreement stating rules regarding the purchase of lottery/gaming tickets, and there is no written law in the state where the ticket was purchased prohibiting tickets being purchased by a credit card (not just what the Police say), then she can certainly fight it and win. She now has the money to pay the credit card company back the money owed to them. If the credit card company prosecutes her, then they won't get their money. As far as what the Police said about her not being able to keep the money if she is convicted, does anyone remember Martha Stewart? She was convicted and served time in prison for her wrong doings, and she was permitted to keep the money she made as a result of it, and was not made to pay back the people that lost money due to her wrong doings. She even was permitted to keep making millions while she was in jail. Another thing that doesn't make sense, the article said that she bought the ticket on October 9th, and the Police began tracking her this past Wednesday after she bought some items with the credit card including the ticket. How did they find out? And why didn't they track her before now? We will never know the truth, of course. But we must all remember that the Police do not make the laws, we are not a "Police State". Providing once again that there are no written laws prohibiting the purchase, then there is no question. As the saying goes "Possession is nine tenths of the Law". The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc. Just because the woman has a bad record or a drug problem, that has nothing to do with the winning ticket. Perhaps God sent her the ticket to turn her life around. I hope she does, and if need be, I hope she gets the biggest lawyer (she can now afford it) and takes the case to national limits if need be. I even heard on the local news that Jack Whittacker that won all that money a while ago has had run ins with the Police accusing him of drunk driving. It may be true, and it may not be. Wake up America before it is too late. Remember a few years ago with Zsa Zsa Gabor? Remember what happened to her? I truly hope Ms. Goodenow takes a few dollars of her winnings and buys (for cash) some more tickets and hits a bigger jackpot. Then we will see what the Police have to say about that!
I am confident, if you steal my card, and try to buy a lottery ticket, you will have exceeded the spending limit.
that is so funny....hahahaha
In Kentucky you can use a Visa/Mastercard Check Card to pay for lottery tickets but it has to be made as a debit not credit purchase.
it being a debit card changes the whole ball game, because a debit card is not a credit card. a stolen debit card is bad. a stolen credit card is also bad. but they are not the same theft.
i don't think companies should accept payment in credit cards. too much potential for abuse. way too much potential for abuse. cash only is the only way to go.
I wish I could use Credit Card I get 2% cash back
In Kentucky you can use a Visa/Mastercard Check Card to pay for lottery tickets but it has to be made as a debit not credit purchase.
it being a debit card changes the whole ball game, because a debit card is not a credit card. a stolen debit card is bad. a stolen credit card is also bad. but they are not the same theft.
i don't think companies should accept payment in credit cards. too much potential for abuse. way too much potential for abuse. cash only is the only way to go.
The difference between a credit card and a debit card is minimal; strictly an accouting seperation; one has an instant funds tranfer and the other has a delayed funds tranfer - with extended reimbursement option. Use, in most cases, is interchangeable. Only the intelligent retailer, the one looking to reduce their cost, questions their use. To the retailer, the fee for the debit option is cheaper; by as much as 15%. Most retailers prefer cards over cash. Safer, easier book-keeping, electronic trail incase of theft, etc. A retailer can loose every card receipt, and still collect the funds; can't do that wiith cash.
Mature, intelligent, educated, adults have zero problems with credit purchases. You can protect a credit card, you can not protect cash. Usually, those with problems with credit cards are under the age of forty; the newness of money has disappeared by that age. Of course, if one does not have the ability to make mature financial decisions, credit cards can be a convienent excuse. As Flip Wilson, a black comedian, was famous for saying, "It wasn't my fault, the Devil made me do it."
the lottery giveth and the lottery taketh away!
I thought it was the lottery giveth and the government taketh away
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE........HOPE ALL MY "MM" COWARTS ARE HAPPY TONIGHT........10/31....
"KY MY"....I LOVED YOUR LAST POST....LOLOLOLOLOL.....YOU HIT THE TARGET.......LOLOLOL
10/31/05..........
(BTW)......While all of us know the Laws regarding using the credit cards of Deceased People especially our family members, which in this case, is the issue.....many people do not realize that they are stealing, if using the credit card of a deceased member of the family, especially one so close. The daughter-in- law, has possibly used her Mother-in-Laws credit card to purchase many items. As the card was finally reported stolen, perhaps her husband was angry about something and teaching her a lesson.....I'm sure, that particular card was used to purchase more than just that one lottery ticket....The deceased woman's son had to know that the card was being used, before this incident.
ADDENDUM:
Having read all the statements on this topic......let me add, that while many thoughts expressed here are very interesting, and some very comical.......You would be surprised at the vast number of people, using the credit cards of Deceased Members of their Families.......It happens far more often than you think.......Especially if the Deceased person had excellent credit.....
Also "CHEWIE".....CASH AS WELL FROM CHECKING ACCOUNTS......LOLOLOLOLO
The ATM Machine has made banking so " easy & efficient"....... that the quickest and easiest way to get money from the bank is the ATM Machine.......If you have the bank/debit card of a Deceased member of your family(as we are discussing the credit card of a deceased family member)as long as you know their "Password".....you can deposit and withdraw Money 24hrs-7 days a week. Without any problems.........including any funds deposited before they died............
We all know it's wrong, those of us who are honest and abide by the Law, however it is done.
My spending money is in a local account, the real retirement money is in a Credit Union in Texas - withdrawls only by face to face.
October .....31st.......6:00pm est
That's very good....Chewie.....but In the Major Banking Insititutions, as I'm sure you know, because Society now lives and thrives on the "get it and go" mentallity, the average Bank Customer can make and withdrawal withing 20 seconds, at an ATM window.....& GO.........
As I've said before, there is a price for every shortcut. When you get behind the sheep in front of you, you can expect to be sheared.
NOVEMBER 1ST.........
Very well stated "CHEWIE"......I concurr w/you.....
In Kentucky you can use a Visa/Mastercard Check Card to pay for lottery tickets but it has to be made as a debit not credit purchase.
it being a debit card changes the whole ball game, because a debit card is not a credit card. a stolen debit card is bad. a stolen credit card is also bad. but they are not the same theft.
i don't think companies should accept payment in credit cards. too much potential for abuse. way too much potential for abuse. cash only is the only way to go.
The difference between a credit card and a debit card is minimal; strictly an accouting seperation; one has an instant funds tranfer and the other has a delayed funds tranfer - with extended reimbursement option. Use, in most cases, is interchangeable. Only the intelligent retailer, the one looking to reduce their cost, questions their use. To the retailer, the fee for the debit option is cheaper; by as much as 15%. Most retailers prefer cards over cash. Safer, easier book-keeping, electronic trail incase of theft, etc. A retailer can loose every card receipt, and still collect the funds; can't do that wiith cash.
Mature, intelligent, educated, adults have zero problems with credit purchases. You can protect a credit card, you can not protect cash. Usually, those with problems with credit cards are under the age of forty; the newness of money has disappeared by that age. Of course, if one does not have the ability to make mature financial decisions, credit cards can be a convienent excuse. As Flip Wilson, a black comedian, was famous for saying, "It wasn't my fault, the Devil made me do it."
Chewie;
I have read where your claim of using a debit card is cheaper than a credit card, if this was the case, Wally World would have never refused the Master Card Debit card and my bank would not have switched over to a VISA Debit Card. And as for one being easier to use, this is not exactly true, though it does help some of us with paying bills. Whether most of you folks realize it or not, you are not allowed to buy a Lottery Ticket on a Credit card, however most folks do not realize this at all. Most people do not enforce this and it has come up several times to try and mandate a Bill before the federal government to prevent any gambling, ie Vegas, Atlantic City, charges to be put on a credit card. Essentially going to the cashier and ask them to withdraw money on your card so you can gamble. If you ask your issuing card company for a complete list of rules you would be very surprised what you can and cannot do on a credit card, however most of the issuing companies won't say anything because they make a bushel load of cash off the interest. This is one of the reasons why congress has forced the issue of raising the minimum payments on credit cards, yes to help you pay it back quicker, but also to keep finance charges to a minimum. Card Companies make money like bandits, because they don't want you paying off your debt. Of course this is a bit negated by the card companies that do, and hammer you with a large interest fee if you don't. To be honest, I think credit card's are the biggest scam next to jacking us up at the gas pump. Now as for the daughter-in-law using her dead mother's card, well I hate to say this, but it's an illegal thing to do unless she is an co-account holder. Which I highly doubt she is, so it makes her winnings very suspect and should be withheld. I think how the police found out was she was ratted out by someone, though of late I am beginning to wonder if people are begin investigated once they win the lottery. Would it surprise me, no, and I doubt very much legal either. I hate carrying cash around, but only do so to buy my tickets. The main reason why is I gave away a free electric stove and the people tried to bum gas money off me, which I thought was poor form to try and do. One other thing, you are not allowed that I know of, because I asked. You cannot use a Credit Card or a Debit card in Ohio, PA nor KY. Call your local lottery board to be 100% sure, but the people I talked to at the boards all said the same thing, cash only please. However this does not mean that all retailers will follow suit.
I agree. Credit card companies do not lay claim to items purchased with their cards. In addition, if there is nothing in writing in their credit card agreement stating rules regarding the purchase of lottery/gaming tickets, and there is no written law in the state where the ticket was purchased prohibiting tickets being purchased by a credit card (not just what the Police say), then she can certainly fight it and win. She now has the money to pay the credit card company back the money owed to them. If the credit card company prosecutes her, then they won't get their money. As far as what the Police said about her not being able to keep the money if she is convicted, does anyone remember Martha Stewart? She was convicted and served time in prison for her wrong doings, and she was permitted to keep the money she made as a result of it, and was not made to pay back the people that lost money due to her wrong doings. She even was permitted to keep making millions while she was in jail. Another thing that doesn't make sense, the article said that she bought the ticket on October 9th, and the Police began tracking her this past Wednesday after she bought some items with the credit card including the ticket. How did they find out? And why didn't they track her before now? We will never know the truth, of course. But we must all remember that the Police do not make the laws, we are not a "Police State". Providing once again that there are no written laws prohibiting the purchase, then there is no question. As the saying goes "Possession is nine tenths of the Law". The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc. Just because the woman has a bad record or a drug problem, that has nothing to do with the winning ticket. Perhaps God sent her the ticket to turn her life around. I hope she does, and if need be, I hope she gets the biggest lawyer (she can now afford it) and takes the case to national limits if need be. I even heard on the local news that Jack Whittacker that won all that money a while ago has had run ins with the Police accusing him of drunk driving. It may be true, and it may not be. Wake up America before it is too late. Remember a few years ago with Zsa Zsa Gabor? Remember what happened to her? I truly hope Ms. Goodenow takes a few dollars of her winnings and buys (for cash) some more tickets and hits a bigger jackpot. Then we will see what the Police have to say about that!
Gargil;
The only thing I can think to say is this, your nuts. If a ticket is stolen, and it is proven, you don't get to keep the winnings. Theft is theft, plain and simple. the women should not have been using her dead mother's card unless she was on file with the credit card company. The credit card company can prosecute her and win big time if she wasn't allowed to use the thing, that is just plain crazy to think otherwise. Unfortunately Possession is nine tenths the law does not apply. If you stole my card and bought a winning lottery ticket, believe you me you wouldn't get one red cent, plus what you will win is some shiny matching bracelets and a long stretch in the pokey. If the Lottery commission decides she shouldn't get the cash, then she won't be able to afford any attorney and I will tell you this, she will big the biggest loser in the end. Think about this logically, you sound like a guy the claimed that he wrecked cars to collect insurance money because that's what it's there for.
I agree. Credit card companies do not lay claim to items purchased with their cards. In addition, if there is nothing in writing in their credit card agreement stating rules regarding the purchase of lottery/gaming tickets, and there is no written law in the state where the ticket was purchased prohibiting tickets being purchased by a credit card (not just what the Police say), then she can certainly fight it and win. She now has the money to pay the credit card company back the money owed to them. If the credit card company prosecutes her, then they won't get their money. As far as what the Police said about her not being able to keep the money if she is convicted, does anyone remember Martha Stewart? She was convicted and served time in prison for her wrong doings, and she was permitted to keep the money she made as a result of it, and was not made to pay back the people that lost money due to her wrong doings. She even was permitted to keep making millions while she was in jail. Another thing that doesn't make sense, the article said that she bought the ticket on October 9th, and the Police began tracking her this past Wednesday after she bought some items with the credit card including the ticket. How did they find out? And why didn't they track her before now? We will never know the truth, of course. But we must all remember that the Police do not make the laws, we are not a "Police State". Providing once again that there are no written laws prohibiting the purchase, then there is no question. As the saying goes "Possession is nine tenths of the Law". The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc. Just because the woman has a bad record or a drug problem, that has nothing to do with the winning ticket. Perhaps God sent her the ticket to turn her life around. I hope she does, and if need be, I hope she gets the biggest lawyer (she can now afford it) and takes the case to national limits if need be. I even heard on the local news that Jack Whittacker that won all that money a while ago has had run ins with the Police accusing him of drunk driving. It may be true, and it may not be. Wake up America before it is too late. Remember a few years ago with Zsa Zsa Gabor? Remember what happened to her? I truly hope Ms. Goodenow takes a few dollars of her winnings and buys (for cash) some more tickets and hits a bigger jackpot. Then we will see what the Police have to say about that!
Actually your statement, "The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc." is not true. There have been reports of people who used illegal means to purchase tickets and lost the money they would have won. You can even find a couple of news stories on lottery post.
The point is this woman used a stolen credit card to make a purchase. She may not be entitled to the winnings because she used someone elses credit card. It doesn't matter if it was her dead mother-in-laws card or not. It wasn't hers to use. She's a thief.
Amen Bellyache.
I am trying to make a point here, and everyone refuses to understand, or perhaps they are afraid to admit it (which is the downfall of this country). I am just trying to make a point that the Police of our country DO NOT make the laws or the decisions. If the Lottery Commission says she does not get the money, or the credit card company tries to fight it, that is different. And if it is against the law and it is a written law, then that is that. I am not nuts, I am savvy. Americans need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop putting the Police in complete control. Do you all actually believe that if that the Police had found that first installent of cash in that womans home when they searched it, or better yet the unsigned winning ticket that they would not have pocketed it? I bet if the Cop had found the winning unsigned ticket, then Possession is nine tenths of the law would apply to him. Again, America WAKE UP! Admit it, don't be afraid. Silence is not the way.
I am awake, I am not afraid, I do understand and I think you have issues with the police or a bit of paranoia. The article was about a woman who used a stolen credit card to purchase lottery tickets which she then won on. That is what the article is about. It is not about the police taking her winnings and pocketing the profits for themselves. She's guilty the police are not.
I am awake, I am not afraid, I do understand and I think you have issues with the police or a bit of paranoia. The article was about a woman who used a stolen credit card to purchase lottery tickets which she then won on. That is what the article is about. It is not about the police taking her winnings and pocketing the profits for themselves. She's guilty the police are not.
Well said.
I have no paranoia doctor, I am only referring to the article where it stated that the Police said that the lady would not be able to keep her winnings, and where they were looking for the initial installment she had claimed. I was a victim many years ago with a corrupt Police Officer who threw me threw a glass window and attempted steal my ring on my finger. People put too much trust in them, and give them too much authority today. It was very wrong for that woman to steal by using someone else's credit card, but it is also very wrong for the people that we put our trust in and pay through our tax dollars to be corrupt and think they have the final say about everything. In any case, sticking to the facts, the woman was wrong to do what she did, but once again, the final say as to whether she is to keep the money is up to the Lottery Commission, who by the way is not speaking up. Have the Police also hushed them up? Perhaps I am too honest for these times. I expect everyone and every situation to be on the up and up, and that is just not possible. Everyone in America claims to be honest, most are all good Christians who go to Church every week, but I would love to see what these self claimed good people would do if they found that ticket. Money rules in America.
gargil: The world is not a nice place. Unhappy experiences do not a life make - unless that is all your life is. Everything you see wrong in life is a mirror, simple and true. happens. Grow up and quit whining.
If someone wants to steal my credit card and buy a winning powerball or MM ticket they are welcome to do so. I'm sure I could get a lawyer to get the money since I paid for the ticket. only reason the cops are getting away with it is it's not a lot of money and the card holder is dead. If it were me i'd fight all the way to the supreme court for a powerball win then sue for the costs of collection plus triple damages (could get expensive on a powerball win)
BRAVO DvDiva!
If someone wants to steal my credit card and buy a winning powerball or MM ticket they are welcome to do so. I'm sure I could get a lawyer to get the money since I paid for the ticket. only reason the cops are getting away with it is it's not a lot of money and the card holder is dead. If it were me i'd fight all the way to the supreme court for a powerball win then sue for the costs of collection plus triple damages (could get expensive on a powerball win)
The cops got away with nothing; there was nothing to get away with. They are only investigating the incident. The article is about a woman using a dead person’s credit card. You, therefore, would be dead, and would sue no one for using your credit card.
Supreme Court? Get your head out your ... hummm ... lets say, out of the clouds. Less then a thousandth of the cases brought to any court make it beyond the local district court. Do a minimum amount of research and read the number of cases the Supreme Court heard the last session. The small numbers shows the folly of your words. You obviously missed the course on U.S. Government.The cops got away with nothing; there was nothing to get away with. They are only investigating the incident. The article is about a woman using a dead person’s credit card. You, therefore, would be dead, and would sue no one for using your credit card.
Exactly! There was no mention of bad police conduct anywhere in that article. It was just about a woman commiting fraud. I really don't see how this got turned on to the people investigating this women. lol.
all of you need to get YOUR heads out of the clouds. I nor anyone else said that the article mentioned police misconduct. Now you people are putting words in my mouth (a habit of the police). I simply made a statement that the police do not have the final say. They DO NOT make the laws. They are SUPPOSSED to enforce them. I also was curios as to why they were looking for the first installment. What for? I realize most people have lots to hide so they keep their mouths shut and do not express their true feelings. Too bad. Go watch your sports and drink your beer and just let whole country go down the toilet. I know all of you folks out there wish you had a winning ticket just like that lady that bought hers with the credit card.
Gargil:
Question, what have you done to make this a better country? I am really curious to know what you have done to prevent it going down the toilet. I can be wrong, but you've given no indication that you have done anything. So far, all I see are rantings of an unstable person.
You know gargil I'm done with this. You're the one who claimed that the police were up to no good from your first post. You made that claim. Obviously, you think this woman who used a stolen credit card to purchase a winning lottery ticket deserves to keep it, whether or not she is a thief. That's your opinion. You want to rant about the police or whatever and "claim" they stole her money...fine. But I'm not going to debate over something that you don't have any proof of. Did you ever think for a moment that the police were just looking for the first installment as evidence? There are other options beside that the government is out to get you. And don't think for a moment that you are superior to anyone else on this board. There are a lot of good people here who do more then drink beer and watch sports. You do not have a window into everyone elses lives. For all I know, you could be nothing more then a drunk.
As long as it is legal in her state to use a credit card to purchase the ticket, then she will certainly have a great lawsuit if they refuse her the money. She will get much more than a million! Even though she was breaking the law with the use of the card, and she may have other problems like drug use, that has nothing to do with winning the money. She was smart enough not to keep her first winning installment in the house, the Cops would have probably pocketed it when they searched her house. Good for her! Hope she winds up in the end with ten million!
You seem to be a bit confused. If somebody throws away a winning ticket and somebody else finds it and claims the prize the law may be a bit vague about ownership, but the law is crystal clear when somebody buys something with a stolen credit card. If you buy something with a stolen credit card you don't own it. Period. If she's convicted of illegally using the card then she doesn't own the ticket or anything else she bought with the card, and if you don't own a lottery ticket there's not a chance in hell you're entitled to any prize based on that ticket. If she's not convicted then she might get the money. About the only safe bet in this story is that she doesn't have much of a case for a lawsuit based on anything reported in the story.
I agree. If the credit card is not legit, neither is the purchase. On the other hand, our court system has been so upside down that I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds a loophole. Remember "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit" ?? So maybe her lawyer can come up with a catchy phrase. I know this is unrelated, but in FL there was a rally a few weeks ago where sex offenders protested over "their" rights being violated. (puke) The group is called the Sex Offender Support and Education Network. So ya never know.
Ever notice, those weirdoes tend to not protest in the heartland?