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Pa. Man Charged With Redeeming Forged Winning Lottery Ticket
Nov 15, 2005, 5:57 pm (40 comments)
Very nice.
I wonder what he did to make it look good? Did he change just one number? Or maybe cut and pasted from a few tickets, lolol.
Sounds like he was desperate...too bad he was stupid.
The article does not say what was forged.
They paid out for the ticket so the bar code must have been correct.
Or did the lottery know that it was purchased by a group and should have been signed in another manner other than an individual.
The lottery could have received a phone call from other members of the group that knew the numbers purchased.
The article also say that the person is not to contact other members of the group.
I hope he wasn't going through all that trouble to split the $853,000 with his fellow pool members. It might have been one of them that set him up with the forged ticket to cash hoping that once they got their share if any thing came down, he would have to take the fall all by himself.
I find it hard to believe that someone would chance going to jail just so their coworkers could have some extra spending money.
Sounds like a crook to me.
This news article is brimming with speculation without so much as evidence as to: Was it a powerball ticket? An instant ticket? In what way was it forged? Leaving out this tidbit of information merely guards the Lottery commission for when this case is presented to the courts. As the story says- hes from Cumberland County - which means he's probably showing signs from TMI radiation . I recall poor judgement was a side effect from this event , or at least that will be what his laywer could use in his defense. :)
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
PA tickets are printed on plain white paper with little orange keystone logos along one edge. They are probably the easiest of all tickets to counterfeit. Anyone with an inkjet printer and good at Photoshop. But also a flaming fool because the tickets have *BAR CODES* and other means to validate them.
Ink testing is one, the acid paper test is another! Who knows what test they use or the combination of tests they use to authenticate the ticket! I can bet there are more than the two I just listed!
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
Ahh a person who sees things with no grey area.
Pardon if I find the concept of forgery to be a bit more intrigueing then a duck that quacks.
Interesting news article none the less.
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
Ahh a person who sees things with no grey area.
Pardon if I find the concept of forgery to be a bit more intrigueing then a duck that quacks.
Interesting news article none the less.
It is an interesting article. I hope more comes out about this man and his attempted theivery.
Man what were you thinking....
I can picture the expression on his face, and what was going through his mind when they handed him the fake check and let him walk out the door...
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
Ahh a person who sees things with no grey area.
Pardon if I find the concept of forgery to be a bit more intrigueing then a duck that quacks.
Interesting news article none the less.
Actually, there isn't much between a forgery and a duck that quacks. The output of both is smelly and of no value.
I wonder why he can't speak to any of his lotto pool members? A lot of pertinent info is missing.
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
Ahh a person who sees things with no grey area.
Pardon if I find the concept of forgery to be a bit more intrigueing then a duck that quacks.
Interesting news article none the less.
I also find forgery interesting. But there is nothing gray about it! There is no such thing as a gray area when it comes to something being Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! It's a Fake, it has no value, how can you see any Gray there? "You Can't".
Oh, wait a minute, "Yes there is some gray", The Freaking Color Of His Jail Cell Walls!
Are you looking through rose colored glasses or something? Because if you are, it's still no excuse for not deciding one-way or the other! It's Right or it's Wrong, You go up or you go down, you go to the right or you go to the left! You sound like a Gray person, that stands in the middle, never going right or left, never going up or down and never makes a decision of any kind! That sure as hell must be one dull life you lead! Oh chit, I almost forgot, "You see everything through rose colored glasses"!
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
Ahh a person who sees things with no grey area.
Pardon if I find the concept of forgery to be a bit more intrigueing then a duck that quacks.
Interesting news article none the less.
Actually, there isn't much between a forgery and a duck that quacks. The output of both is smelly and of no value.
Chewie-
I don't think you're being fair to the duck.
It doesn't matter what was Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck! End of story!
Ahh a person who sees things with no grey area.
Pardon if I find the concept of forgery to be a bit more intrigueing then a duck that quacks.
Interesting news article none the less.
I also find forgery interesting. But there is nothing gray about it! There is no such thing as a gray area when it comes to something being Forged! Forged is just that, FORGED! It's a Fake, it has no value, how can you see any Gray there? "You Can't".
Oh, wait a minute, "Yes there is some gray", The Freaking Color Of His Jail Cell Walls!
Are you looking through rose colored glasses or something? Because if you are, it's still no excuse for not deciding one-way or the other! It's Right or it's Wrong, You go up or you go down, you go to the right or you go to the left! You sound like a Gray person, that stands in the middle, never going right or left, never going up or down and never makes a decision of any kind! That sure as hell must be one dull life you lead! Oh chit, I almost forgot, "You see everything through rose colored glasses"!
BaristaExpress -
All TheGameGrl said was she finds the concept of forgery intriguing.
Chill out.
I think we all take a turn wearing those rose colored glasses every time we buy lottery tickets.
I hope he wasn't going through all that trouble to split the $853,000 with his fellow pool members. It might have been one of them that set him up with the forged ticket to cash hoping that once they got their share if any thing came down, he would have to take the fall all by himself.
I find it hard to believe that someone would chance going to jail just so their coworkers could have some extra spending money.
rjoh i would just like to add a few words directly to the point that i think it is very kind and decent of you thinking of something nice to say about this discussion some people are ready to start slinging their jokes and funny lol's i personally went thru a terrible ordeal about the same matter and i was never really quite the same for a long time there are innocent bystanders out there along the way i know that for certain and as i say''if you don't walk in the shoe it is really hard to guess the size nice speaking to you
Chewie-
I don't think you're being fair to the duck.
Now I gotta be "fair" to a duck? I'm going to fail all kinds of nice guy tests in the next few years. These "darn" geese are every where around here. AFLAC aside, they are useless. Bleeding hearts even try to protect them. A person can't hardly walk from the parking lot to the office because of the droppings. Some one said two pounds a day. THe only good thing I can say about them, they don't crap while flying. They do make a mess in the radiator when you hit them though.
Carlisle man arrested at Lottery headquarters
HARRISBURG – A Carlisle man faces charges of forgery and theft by deception in connection with a failed attempt to use a fake Powerball ticket to claim an $853,492 prize. The ticket scam failed when the forged ticket couldn’t pass the Lottery’s validation tests.
Brian Scott Miller, 34, of Pheasant Drive South, Carlisle, was arrested Monday at Lottery headquarters by Swatara Township and Lower Swatara Township police when he tried to pick up his winnings.
“The Pennsylvania Lottery’s comprehensive security procedures make forging a winning Lottery ticket virtually impossible,” said Gregory C. Fajt, Secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Revenue. “Mr. Miller’s fake ticket couldn’t pass even one of the Lottery’s validation tests.”
Miller attempted to claim a second prize from the record-setting Oct. 19 Powerball drawing. A bonus pool in effect for that drawing had boosted the second prize to $853,492. The normal second prize for Powerball is $200,000.
Ten legitimate winning second prize tickets were sold in Pennsylvania for the Oct. 19 drawing. All ten have been validated. None were sold in central Pennsylvania.
Miller completed and signed a claim form at Lottery headquarters in Middletown on Oct. 21. When Lottery security officials determined that the ticket was forged, the Revenue Department’s Office of Criminal Investigations conducted a preliminary investigation. The results of the Revenue Department investigation were turned over to the Office of the Attorney General for prosecution.
Fajt said an investigation into the forged ticket is continuing.sirbrad-glad you added that update of information. !
Barista- I cordially invite you to have the opportunity to rent a movie called "The Star Chamber" . Its an eye opener for folks who like to jump to conclusions based on a minimal amount of information.
He was stupid thinking that he was going to be able to get away with it. I am sure however that for a few moments, he actually thought he did.
Oh and Geese are mean. =)
I guess he did not know about the bar coding, and assumed the lottery only goes by what the ink says. There may also be some watermarks, or hidden ones as well. If a dollar bill has security features, you can bet that a potential $300 million dollar lottery ticket is going to have them also.
He sounds like a PA Legislature. They "broke the law" by giving themselves a pay raise in the middle of the night. Then had to rescind the raise. Bet they don't get charged with anything! Once again, its only wrong when you are not one of the elite.
DirtyWrat says: I think we all take a turn wearing those rose colored glasses every time we buy lottery tickets. I say, I don't! I'm a Gambler! Maybe a Dreamer when it comes to the lottery and my playing it, but that's about it! I always shoot from the hip and I definitely don't beat around the bush about anything, at anytime, for anyone!Barista- Chill dude, this is a forum to relay the topics information. I have had enough of your derogatory comments.
Yikes! Such hostility on a lottery board. Okay people...everyone close your eyes and imagine all of us holding hands in a circle and chanting peace, love and understanding. Nah! I think a better vision is seeing me win lots of money and throwing a big party. So be nice or I won't invite you.
I think ducks are cute. In fact, I'd rather go out with a duck than most guys. At least the duck will take care of his own bill. Now if I could just do something about his fowl language.
As far as questioning the meaning of the word "forge"goes, you can forge ahead, forge a partnership, forge through a blizzard or go to Valley Forge. But you can't forge an official lottery ticket.
Well I thought that most people knew that the bar code was part of identifying the ticket. He probably should have done his research before attempting his rip-off.
As far as questioning the meaning of the word "forge"goes, you can forge ahead, forge a partnership, forge through a blizzard or go to Valley Forge. But you can't forge an official lottery ticket.
Awe, but your choice of using the word forge and not forged, is not the same as the original context that it was used in the news article. Yes, you are correct in the many different ways that you have used "Forge"! But as the news article stated, "Pa. Man Charged With Redeeming Forged Winning Lottery Ticket". Please take note, the key word there is Forged! Again, the word Forge has many different meanings when used in the proper context (just as you have done above Justxploring). I questioned a persons ability to know the definition of the word "Forged", nothing more!
The statement was "A Pennsylvania man is accused of redeeming a forged lottery ticket" not forging a lottery ticket. From what I've read from other sources, the authorities are thinking like me that it's unlikely this guy would have acted alone for the benefits of his co workers, they are convinced others were involved and are investigating.
As far as questioning the meaning of the word "forge"goes, you can forge ahead, forge a partnership, forge through a blizzard or go to Valley Forge. But you can't forge an official lottery ticket.
Awe, but your choice of using the word forge and not forged, is not the same as the original context that it was used in the news article. Yes, you are correct in the many different ways that you have used "Forge"! But as the news article stated, "Pa. Man Charged With Redeeming Forged Winning Lottery Ticket". Please take note, the key word there is Forged! Again, the word Forge has many different meanings when used in the proper context (just as you have done above Justxploring). I questioned a persons ability to know the definition of the word "Forged", nothing more!
I am ducking all the mud slinging on the board here...
These verbal jousting matches really quack me up.
If some of you don't stop it, your goose is going to be cooked.
unbelieveabill.......
BaristaExpress-
So, you're a gambler. You say you also shoot from the hip. I got a feeling you also shoot off at the mouth.
I wonder what other gamblers who go to Vegas to gamble would think if the casino had a game where the odds of winning were 176 million to one. Can you see them placing $20 & $100 bets? I think not.
A gambler bets when he thinks he has a good chance of winning. Even though the odds favor the house a gambler calulates the risks verses the rewards and places his bets accordingly.
I bet that you're a piss poor gambler. Now that's a bet I would call a sure thing.
BaristaExpress-
So, you're a gambler. You say you also shoot from the hip. I got a feeling you also shoot off at the mouth.
I wonder what other gamblers who go to Vegas to gamble would think if the casino had a game where the odds of winning were 176 million to one. Can you see them placing $20 & $100 bets? I think not.
A gambler bets when he thinks he has a good chance of winning. Even though the odds favor the house a gambler calulates the risks verses the rewards and places his bets accordingly.
I bet that you're a piss poor gambler. Now that's a bet I would call a sure thing.
I lived in Las Vegas for 7 years before moving to where I live now! Before that I lived in Southern Calif. all my life and visited & vacationed for a week at a time with the wife in Las Vegas for years! So you made the wrong bet! Yes, everyone knows the house is favored and if you stay at a table long enough you're going to start to lose! It's the smart gambler that knows when to take what winnings he does have and walk away! I'm not saying I haven't lost my butt there, because I have and for anyone to say that haven't would be a liar, and liar I am not!DirtyWrat, I may shoot off my mouth at times (no different than you at the moment) everyone does at some point in their life! But DirtyWrat, I see the kettle calling the pot black right now at the moment! And I can say, I don't stick my nose in others peoples business, like you do Mrs. Cravats! That's one thing I never "EVER" do! Both my parents taught me something very valuable that I know to be fact. I’m going to make a bet that I know is a sure winning bet for me. I bet you’re guilty of both scenarios that are about to follow! (I quote) "Only a fool sticks their nose in other peoples business and if they do it when asked too, they’re even a bigger fool with no brains”! (Unquote)
BaristaExpress-
Ok. Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm poking my nose where it doesn't belong.
It seemed to me that you were being a little harsh toward TheGameGrl for no apparent reason so I made some comments that maybe I shouldn't have. Maybe I'm suffering from "The knight in shining armor rescuing the damsel in distress" syndrome. If you had been harassing TheGameBoy I probably would have cared less.
I jumped all over Cash Only in another thread for what I thought at the time was a valid reason, but now I regret saying what I did. Cash, if you read this post you have my sincerest apologies.
Lets put all of this ugliness behind us and get back to lottery discussion where we should have been to start with.
DirtyWrat, that sounds just great to me. And we can do that! But in all fairness, please remember I did say that there is no such thing as a gray area when it pertains to anything being forged! I just don't see how anyone could see any gray, what so ever in something of that nature! That's all. Later dude.
Have a good day DirtyWrat.
I wonder why he can't speak to any of his lotto pool members? A lot of pertinent info is missing.
i agree.
The statement was "A Pennsylvania man is accused of redeeming a forged lottery ticket" not forging a lottery ticket. From what I've read from other sources, the authorities are thinking like me that it's unlikely this guy would have acted alone for the benefits of his co workers, they are convinced others were involved and are investigating.
ruh roh..... so how many others are involved? and is he indeed a patsy?
The statement was "A Pennsylvania man is accused of redeeming a forged lottery ticket" not forging a lottery ticket. From what I've read from other sources, the authorities are thinking like me that it's unlikely this guy would have acted alone for the benefits of his co workers, they are convinced others were involved and are investigating.
Maybe his coworkers were involved. I wonder if the coworkers involved in the pool were part of this stunt? I hope more comes out about this story.