Reder Views: Do you have faith in the Tennessee Lottery?
Managers of the Tennessee Lottery must think those playing the lottery are either awfully naive or just plain dumb. Why? It appears to me that winners of future lotteries will no longer be just because of honest luck.
Changing the method from purely chance - that is, from air- blown pingpong balls rolling down chutes (unless they already have been cheating by adding weights to some pingpong balls) — to a programmed computer approach raises all kinds of suspicions.
Now what prevents the computer from being programmed so there will not be any big winners until there are huge payoffs in order to attract more participants? Further, what prevents a programmer (or consortium of programmers) from setting the computer so as to select those numbers on tickets purchased — secretly, of course — through non-family arrangements which on the surface meet eligibility requirements to be winners? Tennessee lottery players beware.
Dwight Baptist Brentwood 37027
Well that was a big surprise. Just as soon as they tried to fix the lottery drawings, someone figured out we were being cheated.
The old drawings with the balls are the only fair way to have a drawing. Anytime you start using something electronic the games can be rigged. If you check the payouts since they changed, I'll bet there haven't been any big payouts.
The computers know what numbers not to throw up there. The lawmakers that oversee the lottery should make them change it back or drop Pick 3 and 4 and just have scratch-offs and Powerball. Let's keep the games fair.
Michael Young Nashville 37211
When the Tennessee Lottery first became legal, Pick 3, Pick 4 and Lotto 5 were all picked using balls in a tumbler. They were honest and tampering was all but impossible.
Now, the honesty of those games is highly questionable. By admission of the chief operating officer, Pick 3 and 4 were operating illegally for weeks and the verifying agency still declared them to be working properly.
The trouble with computers is that the odds can be manipulated. Odds can be raised or lowered at will by the people programming the games as was recently demonstrated.
There are now fewer small winners and the jackpots are getting bigger. The sad thing is that the winnings are not being spread around like they used to be. The jackpots are bigger but the winnings are going to fewer individuals. The same is true for Powerball.
It makes more sense to have multiple smaller winners and spread the money around. When people win they buy more tickets.
I am all in favor of more money for our schools but not by dishonesty or manipulation of the games, which were originally created to be fair and tamper proof.
Fred Hutchison White House 37188
Has anyone other than myself noticed the double numbers being drawn on Pick 3 and 4? Since the discovery of a glitch in the program that would not let the computer pick duplicate numbers, just about every drawing now has duplicates. Another glitch on computer rigging? Trying to make up for all the duplicates that were not drawn before?
Al Palmer Buchanan 38222
So the lottery computers were rigged? You must show your ticket to prove you were cheated.
How about the computers that will be used in the presidential election? Can they be trusted? Where is my "ticket" to later prove I was cheated?
Unfortunately, ball drawings can be rigged as well. Individual balls can be fractionally larger, smaller, lighter and/or heavier than others in the same bin to increase or decrease the possibility of that ball being attracted or blown into the exit chute. But, for most lottery aficionados, it's a better alternative than RNGs.
Yea but for the most part all balls are within specific parameters of weight and measurement as denoted by the people whom manufacture them and place them in sets and by the people who are responsible for calibrating the balls and machines before a drawing. Each ball weighs tenth of grams of one another each size is calibrated so as to not be restricted going through the tubes.
Computers can be calibrated a hundred different ways to rob and thwart the players.
Quote: Originally posted by johnph77 on Sep 2, 2007
Unfortunately, ball drawings can be rigged as well. Individual balls can be fractionally larger, smaller, lighter and/or heavier than others in the same bin to increase or decrease the possibility of that ball being attracted or blown into the exit chute. But, for most lottery aficionados, it's a better alternative than RNGs.
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j
That's true, John, but rigging a ball drawing requires the involvement of several people, whereas RNG's can be corrupted by one dishonest individual. Also, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to rig the outcome of mechanical drawings on a consistent basis without some type of evidence being discovered, either by viewers or by honest auditors. That evidence would have to be destroyed after every drawing, and the method must be recreated for each subsequent drawing without alerting anyone who isn't involved in the scam. Any lottery programmer worth his salt can create a Trojan Horse which can bury itself once the drawing is complete. It could only be found by manually combing through hundreds of thousands of lines of code, a daunting and time-consuming task.
Nick Perry recruited five men to help him pull off the Pennsylvania "666" scandal in 1980. It would not have been possible for him to execute his plan without help from insiders and outsiders alike, which proved to be the major flaw in his designs to rig just one mechanical drawing. The Maragos brothers didn't exactly keep a low profile while they traveled throughout the state buying several thousand Pennsylvania Pick-3 tickets over a two-day period, and they even told their friends and family members which numbers to play (*there were only eight possible combinations: 444, 446, 464, 466, 644, 646, 664 and 666).
Greed is a very powerful trait in those who practice it, but combining computers and lotteries only invites disaster.
Quote: Originally posted by johnph77 on Sep 2, 2007
Unfortunately, ball drawings can be rigged as well. Individual balls can be fractionally larger, smaller, lighter and/or heavier than others in the same bin to increase or decrease the possibility of that ball being attracted or blown into the exit chute. But, for most lottery aficionados, it's a better alternative than RNGs.
gl
j
ANYTHING can be rigged, but it's comparing apples and oranges. They are not even close.
It can also snow in July, but I don't bother talking about that because it's only theoretically possible, not something remotely reasonable.
Managers of the Tennessee Lottery must think those playing the lottery are either awfully naive or just plain dumb. Why? It appears to me that winners of future lotteries will no longer be just because of honest luck.
Changing the method from purely chance - that is, from air- blown pingpong balls rolling down chutes (unless they already have been cheating by adding weights to some pingpong balls) — to a programmed computer approach raises all kinds of suspicions.
Now what prevents the computer from being programmed so there will not be any big winners until there are huge payoffs in order to attract more participants? Further, what prevents a programmer (or consortium of programmers) from setting the computer so as to select those numbers on tickets purchased — secretly, of course — through non-family arrangements which on the surface meet eligibility requirements to be winners? Tennessee lottery players beware.
Yes folks, open your EYE'S instead of your wallet. Honestly would you by a used car from this director, or the states lottery commission ???? I would'nt..! So why are you still playing the lottery?? Boycott the lottery until they at least give you a fair shake. period..............................
They pulled the rug out from under you when they implimented the change to computors without even giving the people a fair shake, now what would make you think they'll do it now.
They don't give a damn about the people or players of Tennessee and that is more than evident now than ever....!!!!!
Quote: Originally posted by johnph77 on Sep 2, 2007
Unfortunately, ball drawings can be rigged as well. Individual balls can be fractionally larger, smaller, lighter and/or heavier than others in the same bin to increase or decrease the possibility of that ball being attracted or blown into the exit chute. But, for most lottery aficionados, it's a better alternative than RNGs.
gl
j
thats correct in Penna. people cheated with a sm. drop of water on each ball set ,........except the 6's thus came 666 which the crooked state offical had $$5,000 dollars betted;
It is time to ask for the removal of the head honcho of the tennessee lottery Rebecca Paul. They ran her off in South Carolina, It is time to run her out of Tennessee.
Quote: Originally posted by johnph77 on Sep 2, 2007
Unfortunately, ball drawings can be rigged as well. Individual balls can be fractionally larger, smaller, lighter and/or heavier than others in the same bin to increase or decrease the possibility of that ball being attracted or blown into the exit chute. But, for most lottery aficionados, it's a better alternative than RNGs.
gl
j
"THE PLAYERS PREFER BALL DRAWS" and that is what "SHOULD MATTER" The draws can be viewed, video taped and analyze by 1000's of players. Much more difficult to rig.
With RNG's the numbers are flashed across the TV screen. I don't think i've ever seen the RNG computer spit out the numbers.
They also ran her out of Ga. too. I don't think that I want to play TENN. LOTTERY
tennessee lottery Rebecca Paul. ....how is this person able to get so many top positions in 3 different states ??/She must have some connections??? is she cute???
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Sep 4, 2007
tennessee lottery Rebecca Paul. ....how is this person able to get so many top positions in 3 different states ??/She must have some connections??? is she cute???
Where are we on this boys and girls? I realize that good old Bunky is the hot topic of conversation but we can't let this die!
Are we just going to vent and then go back to business as usual? This is our best and maybe last chance to do something about RNG's. Let's not squander it. Keep the pressure up.
Anyone have any updates on Ms. Hargrove or the investigation?
Quote: Originally posted by Uncle Jim on Sep 7, 2007
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Where are we on this boys and girls? I realize that good old Bunky is the hot topic of conversation but we can't let this die!
Are we just going to vent and then go back to business as usual? This is our best and maybe last chance to do something about RNG's. Let's not squander it. Keep the pressure up.
Anyone have any updates on Ms. Hargrove or the investigation?
Jim
Over the last few weeks i have went to the tennessean.com web site and used the search feature about the lottery happenings and read many of the comments there as well and i get the feeling that the overall majority doesn't know the difference from ball drawings to RNG drawing and many didn't even know it happened. Lots of folks seem disappointed that Rebecca makes to much money. Some people are disappointed about them changing draw types but i don't get a sense that they are on bit motivated to do something about it. At least not from the comments i read at the Tennessean.
Since the money generated by the lottery goes to the education board and the education moneys are distributed through the comptrollers office then their office is probably the best place to start the furor. Possibly getting them to take it to a higher authority.
Maybe if someone has connections and can get as much information as possible together about all this and send it to CNN it will get national coverage. Time is running out though as the story is getting old and Rebecca has settled into here comphy chair back at lottery HQ.
Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Sep 7, 2007
Over the last few weeks i have went to the tennessean.com web site and used the search feature about the lottery happenings and read many of the comments there as well and i get the feeling that the overall majority doesn't know the difference from ball drawings to RNG drawing and many didn't even know it happened. Lots of folks seem disappointed that Rebecca makes to much money. Some people are disappointed about them changing draw types but i don't get a sense that they are on bit motivated to do something about it. At least not from the comments i read at the Tennessean.
Since the money generated by the lottery goes to the education board and the education moneys are distributed through the comptrollers office then their office is probably the best place to start the furor. Possibly getting them to take it to a higher authority.
Maybe if someone has connections and can get as much information as possible together about all this and send it to CNN it will get national coverage. Time is running out though as the story is getting old and Rebecca has settled into here comphy chair back at lottery HQ.
"Since the money generated by the lottery goes to the education board"
And it's the lottery director's job to get more money into the education fund each year. This can be done by running promotions to entice more play and increase revenues or by finding ways to lower operating expenses. Tennessee chose to cut cost by changing to RNG drawings.
Even without the drawing fiasco this was a bad business decision because the online games affected only amount to 11% of sales and that is an area where they could have increased revenues. But because the drawings were proved to be flawed, there is now probably no chance to increase revenues in that area.
The controllers only look at the bottom line and would not be concerned as long as the savings offset the decreased play. The cost of education goes up every year so the people distributing these funds will be affected the most when Ms Hargrove closed the door on future lottery growth potential.
Stack my point is the state is in business to make money the lottery generates money for the state and the lottery has failed in it attempt to generate more cash by using software instead of balls for their drawings. If the people in Tennessee or any other state want them to switch back to ball drawings then they have to take their case to the office which has accountability for the moneys they distribute. In Tennessee's case it's the comptrollers office. If someone convinces the boss in that department that switching back to ball drawings will generate more money for the state then it is quite possible he can move forward with a proposal to do so.
If an investigation is warranted and or being done it has nothing to do with them switching back to ball drawings it's about fraud.
As it stands right now all Rebecca wants is for the inquires to go away so they can continue to hold their phony software drawings. And she can reap big bonuses on whatever her next move might be.
From what i gather the Tennessee lottery is it's own entity i don't know how this is possible someone has to have accountability for their department as well as someone in government should be above them whom dictates policy.
Oh and we can hem and haw about this all we want on lottery post but that isn't going to get them to change anything as far as the lottery goes. Something has to happen in a government capacity to get them to make changes and that means they need evidence and proof so someone can approach the lottery's board of directors and get it done.
If the people of Tennessee have no say so in the matter then who does. Not Rebecca i hope.
Just received this canned message from the Govenor of the great state of TN ! Appears to be a waste of time in expressing our lottery concerns to him also, but I would suggest that you take a moment and let him know your thoughts....just in case he ever wakes up ! Bob bg
Dear Bob:
Thank you for writing me and sharing your concerns regarding the
Tennessee Lottery. During the next coming months, my staff and I
will begin the process of reviewing and implementing effective policy
changes for Tennessee and all Tennesseans.
For the past four years, we have built a strong foundation, and I look
forward to working together to build on these successes. I appreciate
your advice as we work together to change state government for the
better in Tennessee. I hope I can count on your continued support in
the coming years.
Thank you again for expressing your concern and for sharing your
Unfortunately, ball drawings can be rigged as well. Individual balls can be fractionally larger, smaller, lighter and/or heavier than others in the same bin to increase or decrease the possibility of that ball being attracted or blown into the exit chute. But, for most lottery aficionados, it's a better alternative than RNGs.
gl
j
Yea but for the most part all balls are within specific parameters of weight and measurement as denoted by the people whom manufacture them and place them in sets and by the people who are responsible for calibrating the balls and machines before a drawing. Each ball weighs tenth of grams of one another each size is calibrated so as to not be restricted going through the tubes.
Computers can be calibrated a hundred different ways to rob and thwart the players.
That's true, John, but rigging a ball drawing requires the involvement of several people, whereas RNG's can be corrupted by one dishonest individual. Also, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to rig the outcome of mechanical drawings on a consistent basis without some type of evidence being discovered, either by viewers or by honest auditors. That evidence would have to be destroyed after every drawing, and the method must be recreated for each subsequent drawing without alerting anyone who isn't involved in the scam. Any lottery programmer worth his salt can create a Trojan Horse which can bury itself once the drawing is complete. It could only be found by manually combing through hundreds of thousands of lines of code, a daunting and time-consuming task.
Nick Perry recruited five men to help him pull off the Pennsylvania "666" scandal in 1980. It would not have been possible for him to execute his plan without help from insiders and outsiders alike, which proved to be the major flaw in his designs to rig just one mechanical drawing. The Maragos brothers didn't exactly keep a low profile while they traveled throughout the state buying several thousand Pennsylvania Pick-3 tickets over a two-day period, and they even told their friends and family members which numbers to play (*there were only eight possible combinations: 444, 446, 464, 466, 644, 646, 664 and 666).
Greed is a very powerful trait in those who practice it, but combining computers and lotteries only invites disaster.
* Wikipedia.com
ANYTHING can be rigged, but it's comparing apples and oranges. They are not even close.
It can also snow in July, but I don't bother talking about that because it's only theoretically possible, not something remotely reasonable.
Managers of the Tennessee Lottery must think those playing the lottery are either awfully naive or just plain dumb. Why? It appears to me that winners of future lotteries will no longer be just because of honest luck.
Changing the method from purely chance - that is, from air- blown pingpong balls rolling down chutes (unless they already have been cheating by adding weights to some pingpong balls) — to a programmed computer approach raises all kinds of suspicions.
Now what prevents the computer from being programmed so there will not be any big winners until there are huge payoffs in order to attract more participants? Further, what prevents a programmer (or consortium of programmers) from setting the computer so as to select those numbers on tickets purchased — secretly, of course — through non-family arrangements which on the surface meet eligibility requirements to be winners? Tennessee lottery players beware.
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Yes folks, open your EYE'S instead of your wallet. Honestly would you by a used car from this director, or the states lottery commission ???? I would'nt..! So why are you still playing the lottery?? Boycott the lottery until they at least give you a fair shake. period..............................
They pulled the rug out from under you when they implimented the change to computors without even giving the people a fair shake, now what would make you think they'll do it now.
They don't give a damn about the people or players of Tennessee and that is more than evident now than ever....!!!!!
thats correct in Penna. people cheated with a sm. drop of water on each ball set ,........except the 6's thus came 666 which the crooked state offical had $$5,000 dollars betted;
It is time to ask for the removal of the head honcho of the tennessee lottery Rebecca Paul. They ran her off in South Carolina, It is time to run her out of Tennessee.
They also ran her out of Ga. too. I don't think that I want to play TENN. LOTTERY
"THE PLAYERS PREFER BALL DRAWS" and that is what "SHOULD MATTER" The draws can be viewed, video taped and analyze by 1000's of players. Much more difficult to rig.
With RNG's the numbers are flashed across the TV screen. I don't think i've ever seen the RNG computer spit out the numbers.
tennessee lottery Rebecca Paul. ....how is this person able to get so many top positions in 3 different states ??/She must have some connections??? is she cute???
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Where are we on this boys and girls? I realize that good old Bunky is the hot topic of conversation but we can't let this die!
Are we just going to vent and then go back to business as usual? This is our best and maybe last chance to do something about RNG's. Let's not squander it. Keep the pressure up.
Anyone have any updates on Ms. Hargrove or the investigation?
Jim
Since the money generated by the lottery goes to the education board and the education moneys are distributed through the comptrollers office then their office is probably the best place to start the furor. Possibly getting them to take it to a higher authority.
Maybe if someone has connections and can get as much information as possible together about all this and send it to CNN it will get national coverage. Time is running out though as the story is getting old and Rebecca has settled into here comphy chair back at lottery HQ.
"Since the money generated by the lottery goes to the education board"
And it's the lottery director's job to get more money into the education fund each year. This can be done by running promotions to entice more play and increase revenues or by finding ways to lower operating expenses. Tennessee chose to cut cost by changing to RNG drawings.
Even without the drawing fiasco this was a bad business decision because the online games affected only amount to 11% of sales and that is an area where they could have increased revenues. But because the drawings were proved to be flawed, there is now probably no chance to increase revenues in that area.
The controllers only look at the bottom line and would not be concerned as long as the savings offset the decreased play. The cost of education goes up every year so the people distributing these funds will be affected the most when Ms Hargrove closed the door on future lottery growth potential.
Stack my point is the state is in business to make money the lottery generates money for the state and the lottery has failed in it attempt to generate more cash by using software instead of balls for their drawings. If the people in Tennessee or any other state want them to switch back to ball drawings then they have to take their case to the office which has accountability for the moneys they distribute. In Tennessee's case it's the comptrollers office. If someone convinces the boss in that department that switching back to ball drawings will generate more money for the state then it is quite possible he can move forward with a proposal to do so.
If an investigation is warranted and or being done it has nothing to do with them switching back to ball drawings it's about fraud.
As it stands right now all Rebecca wants is for the inquires to go away so they can continue to hold their phony software drawings. And she can reap big bonuses on whatever her next move might be.
From what i gather the Tennessee lottery is it's own entity i don't know how this is possible someone has to have accountability for their department as well as someone in government should be above them whom dictates policy.
Oh and we can hem and haw about this all we want on lottery post but that isn't going to get them to change anything as far as the lottery goes. Something has to happen in a government capacity to get them to make changes and that means they need evidence and proof so someone can approach the lottery's board of directors and get it done.
If the people of Tennessee have no say so in the matter then who does. Not Rebecca i hope.
Just received this canned message from the Govenor of the great state of TN ! Appears to be a waste of time in expressing our lottery concerns to him also, but I would suggest that you take a moment and let him know your thoughts....just in case he ever wakes up ! Bob bg
Well it looks like this issue has died and faulty, flawed, or corrupt RNG's will remain in place.
Jim
alot of people are still boycotting the RNG here but i dont know for how long. im still getting my powerball from kentucky not here in tennessee