On September 30, the Texas Lottery launched a brand new game, Daily 4 with an add-on feature called Sum It Up.
According to unaudited numbers, the game and associated add-on feature brought in more than $5.2 million during the first three weeks of sales. Of that number, approximately $1.2 million came directly from sales of Sum It Up.
The Texas Lottery is hoping to strike gold a second time, by adding the Sum It Up feature to the state's other daily numbers game — Pick 3 — starting November 11.
Lottery Post is the only web site (other than the Texas Lottery site) to publish the Texas Lottery's Play It Up number along with the lottery results. (See www.lotterypost.com/results/tx)
"We are pleased with the sales numbers for Daily 4 with Sum It Up so far," said Texas Lottery Commission Executive Director Anthony J. Sadberry. "Sum It Up will also enhance Pick 3, providing a fun new way for players to win."
Sadberry added, "By adding this feature to the Pick 3 game, we hope to generate even more money for the Foundation School Fund."
Beginning November 11, players will have the option of wagering from 50 cents to $5 on the sum of their Pick 3 numbers.
The Sum It Up add-on feature allows players to win if the sum of their three numbers matches the sum of the three numbers drawn, even if the numbers themselves do not match.
For example, if a player chooses the numbers 5-1-6 on their Pick 3 ticket, the sum of those numbers is 12 (5 + 1 + 6 = 12). If the numbers drawn for the game are 4-0-8, which also has a sum of 12 (4 + 0 + 8 = 12), the player would win the Sum It Up prize.
The amount of the Sum It Up prize ranges from $3 to $2,500, depending upon the wager amount selected and the odds for the chosen sum.
The top Sum It Up prize of $2,500 can only be achieved by playing 0-0-0 or 9-9-9.
Players must distinctly purchase the Sum It Up feature if they wish to win a prize for matching the sum. If a player does not purchase the Sum It Up feature when buying their lottery ticket, they will not win a prize for matching the sum drawn.
The base Pick 3 game will remain the same, and players can select the add-on feature in conjunction with any of the Pick 3 play types (Exact Order, Any Order, Exact/Any, or Combo).
Odds of winning a Sum It Up play range from 1 in 13 to 1 in 1,000 and vary according to the numbers picked.
Obviously if you can bet on the sums of pick3 and pick4 combinations then their sums are no more predictable than the combinations themselves. Kinda confirm that systems that pick combinations based on sums have no advantage.
Obviously if you can bet on the sums of pick3 and pick4 combinations then their sums are no more predictable than the combinations themselves. Kinda confirm that systems that pick combinations based on sums have no advantage.
I'm not so sure. Another way of looking at it is that it gives you a different metric to track. In fact, the Texas Lottery has a page on their site that tracks the sums over time.
Another wrinkle is that it gives you a different way to decide between picks. Do you want the combo with the higher payout, or the combo with the better chance of winning?
Obviously if you can bet on the sums of pick3 and pick4 combinations then their sums are no more predictable than the combinations themselves. Kinda confirm that systems that pick combinations based on sums have no advantage.
"We are pleased with the sales numbers for Daily 4 with Sum It Up so far," said Texas Lottery Commission Executive Director Anthony J. Sadberry. "Sum It Up will also enhance Pick 3, providing a fun new way for players to win."
I was looking at the Texas Lottery website and they have the front pair, back pair, and middle pair option on their Pick-4. You can access digit and number frequencies and they give the results of test draws too. Mr. Sadberry knows how to run a player friendly lottery!
"Sadberry added, "By adding this feature to the Pick 3 game, we hope to generate even more money for the Foundation School Fund."
Give the players what the want, they will play, they will have fun, and the profits will go up. Quite a contrast to the way the Tennessee Lottery decided to increase profits.
So if someone wants to make predictions on LP of Texas Cash3 Sum it up part how will they do it? Is LP ready for predictions involving the sum of the Pick3 numbers?
We have to understand that the population of Texas is much bigger than the population of Georgia..they may be able to pull it off...The good news are if it works in Texas it can work in Florida, Ca, NY..The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager..
And i wander which one would have been better to wager on, Sums or regular numbers...Something tells me that Sums...
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Oct 31, 2007
Intersting idea...Is better than nothing...
So if someone wants to make predictions on LP of Texas Cash3 Sum it up part how will they do it? Is LP ready for predictions involving the sum of the Pick3 numbers?
We have to understand that the population of Texas is much bigger than the population of Georgia..they may be able to pull it off...The good news are if it works in Texas it can work in Florida, Ca, NY..The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager..
And i wander which one would have been better to wager on, Sums or regular numbers...Something tells me that Sums...
But is great if they make it for cash3 and not pick4...Well i mean people will revert a little bit more towards sum it up of cash4, because the game is a little too hard to get straight, so ther will be giving people a break...I am going to try and see if i can make predictions ONLY for Cash3 if LP allows me to place the predictions for Cash3 sum it up...But is going to be a while because i need like at least like 90 days pre-history draws to beging making predictions...but i wander how much does the sum it up for cash3 will pay..
What i like is that for cash3 people it gives them a break for playing a take your money game called Cash3 and Cash4....But to me they could have done better...But their mentalitty is whatever for the state without been fair and balanced or a little bit more balanced than fair...
I believe they are going to make a lot of money off of it because people everywhere in the world are hungry for an easier cash3 and cash4 game (i said easier not easy game)...
If you want to have your eyes opened about the Texas Lottery, read Dawn Nettles' article in the Texas Lottery Report about the dishonest bet the state accepts on pair sums. They accept the sum bet on pairs and don't pay up if the sucker wins. TLC doesn't mean Tender Loving Care down here in the Lone Star State. We have a saying down here: "Don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining!"
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Oct 31, 2007
Intersting idea...Is better than nothing...
So if someone wants to make predictions on LP of Texas Cash3 Sum it up part how will they do it? Is LP ready for predictions involving the sum of the Pick3 numbers?
We have to understand that the population of Texas is much bigger than the population of Georgia..they may be able to pull it off...The good news are if it works in Texas it can work in Florida, Ca, NY..The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager..
And i wander which one would have been better to wager on, Sums or regular numbers...Something tells me that Sums...
"The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager.."
They give you the option to play up to $5.00 or you can play it for 50 cents. The front pair/back pair/outside pair option has been on most Pick-3 games since day 1 though not very many people play it. Player friendly lotteries know this but still offer that option to all their players.
I learned long ago it's none of my business if somebody bets a $1 straight on 7961 and bets $5 on the sum of 6.
Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Nov 1, 2007
"The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager.."
They give you the option to play up to $5.00 or you can play it for 50 cents. The front pair/back pair/outside pair option has been on most Pick-3 games since day 1 though not very many people play it. Player friendly lotteries know this but still offer that option to all their players.
I learned long ago it's none of my business if somebody bets a $1 straight on 7961 and bets $5 on the sum of 6.
if they give people the option of 5.00 and of 50 cents i believe they will go BROKE...And then they will not be an example for other states to immitate....: (...Well at least on Pick3....Don't think it will happen for pick4...
But they never want to listen to me...I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc....See if the game will withstand attacks, number of casualties, etc, etc, the list goes on...If you have to use a 1 million dollar supercomputer or a computer so be it...If you have to do it with paper and pencil the experiment so be it, but do it...
What i see happening is they are going to go broke and the rest of States will get INTIMIDATED AND WILL not follow/immitate....
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Nov 1, 2007
if they give people the option of 5.00 and of 50 cents i believe they will go BROKE...And then they will not be an example for other states to immitate....: (...Well at least on Pick3....Don't think it will happen for pick4...
But they never want to listen to me...I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc....See if the game will withstand attacks, number of casualties, etc, etc, the list goes on...If you have to use a 1 million dollar supercomputer or a computer so be it...If you have to do it with paper and pencil the experiment so be it, but do it...
What i see happening is they are going to go broke and the rest of States will get INTIMIDATED AND WILL not follow/immitate....
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
I wish the country of Brazil, Colombia, Argentina and Bolivia would put a pick3 And Pick4 like that; the state of Texas for now, for the mean time....
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Nov 1, 2007
if they give people the option of 5.00 and of 50 cents i believe they will go BROKE...And then they will not be an example for other states to immitate....: (...Well at least on Pick3....Don't think it will happen for pick4...
But they never want to listen to me...I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc....See if the game will withstand attacks, number of casualties, etc, etc, the list goes on...If you have to use a 1 million dollar supercomputer or a computer so be it...If you have to do it with paper and pencil the experiment so be it, but do it...
What i see happening is they are going to go broke and the rest of States will get INTIMIDATED AND WILL not follow/immitate....
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
If lotteries only allowed straight number bets they would lose players. The Sum bet is just another way to bet the outcome like a box bet or a front pair bet. There is a start-up expense; programming terminals, printing new play slips, etc, but it's minimal.
We've read about system where you box 6 digits with a minimum cost of $10 (twenty 50 cent boxes) and if 1 of the boxes hit, you collect $40. A lottery could offer that same bet for 50 cents with a payout of $4 or payout $40 on a $5 bet. The Sum bet is basically the same thing where you're playing all the combinations (in any order) that add up to that sum.
"I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc...."
The Texas Pick-4 game is new so there is no history a player could use to determine which sum to play, but the article says they are adding the Sum bet to its Pick-3 that does have a long history.
Now i see that there is some restriction on different sums...They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win...I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people...That's just another pre-text to raise the price of each entry in the future...I thought they were giving people a break but apparently they are not...
Also is restrictions like that placed on the lottery on which numbers they should draw more often that calls for lottery manipulation...I got to see how they are going to make the Cash3 payouts to see if i'll be making predictions: if they make it hard i'll not make predictions, if they make it flexible/balanced i'll...At least something good came out of all this: they gave me a great idea...
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Nov 2, 2007
Now i see that there is some restriction on different sums...They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win...I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people...That's just another pre-text to raise the price of each entry in the future...I thought they were giving people a break but apparently they are not...
Also is restrictions like that placed on the lottery on which numbers they should draw more often that calls for lottery manipulation...I got to see how they are going to make the Cash3 payouts to see if i'll be making predictions: if they make it hard i'll not make predictions, if they make it flexible/balanced i'll...At least something good came out of all this: they gave me a great idea...
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
But i am confident LP predictors will take good juice out of this lottery with their predictions....And in cash3 is even worse...My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts...
With the sum it up option states can compete against horseracing which i think was what was happening in texas...I bet that the TX Pick4/Pick3 lottery was losing money against horse racing tracks, if such are legal in Texas...
But i think i saw a Theoretical glitch (yeah because is theoretical) on Texas's Cash4 Sum it up option...It says there that the 5 dollar wager for the 36 or 0 sum pays 25,000 dollars...But if you were to play 5 dollars on 1 sum everyday for 365 days it will equal 1825 dollars AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 has to appear once a year, even if it appears once every 2 years that will be 5 X 730 days = 3650 dollars...(and if is 4 years is 7,300 dollars which leaves you with 17,700 dollars) AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 HAS TO APPEAR at least Once every 2 years...And this is where my theory of number manipulations come in, because you and i know that in every normal draw even RNG, the sum 36 or "0" comes up at least once a year, but it maybe more because i am kind of rusty on Pick4 for i don't play that game nor i specialize on that game...Maybe i am thinking of Pick3...
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Nov 2, 2007
Now i see that there is some restriction on different sums...They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win...I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people...That's just another pre-text to raise the price of each entry in the future...I thought they were giving people a break but apparently they are not...
Also is restrictions like that placed on the lottery on which numbers they should draw more often that calls for lottery manipulation...I got to see how they are going to make the Cash3 payouts to see if i'll be making predictions: if they make it hard i'll not make predictions, if they make it flexible/balanced i'll...At least something good came out of all this: they gave me a great idea...
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
"They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win..."
The payoffs are based on the number of combinations that add to the sum. There is only one sum of 0 and 36 so that pays $2500 for a 50 cent wager. With the sum of 18 you get more combinations so the payoffs are much lower.
Let's say you wanted play $1 straight and $1 box on 2578. They give you the option to play the Sum of 22 and you could put a $1 on that too for a total of $3 and if 3469 hits, you would still win $8 on the Sum bet. It's a hedge bet like betting a horse to show.
"I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people..."
You're misunderstanding how it works. You don't have to wager $5; you have the option to bet from 50 cents all the way up to $5.
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Nov 2, 2007
But i am confident LP predictors will take good juice out of this lottery with their predictions....And in cash3 is even worse...My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts...
With the sum it up option states can compete against horseracing which i think was what was happening in texas...I bet that the TX Pick4/Pick3 lottery was losing money against horse racing tracks, if such are legal in Texas...
But i think i saw a Theoretical glitch (yeah because is theoretical) on Texas's Cash4 Sum it up option...It says there that the 5 dollar wager for the 36 or 0 sum pays 25,000 dollars...But if you were to play 5 dollars on 1 sum everyday for 365 days it will equal 1825 dollars AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 has to appear once a year, even if it appears once every 2 years that will be 5 X 730 days = 3650 dollars...(and if is 4 years is 7,300 dollars which leaves you with 17,700 dollars) AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 HAS TO APPEAR at least Once every 2 years...And this is where my theory of number manipulations come in, because you and i know that in every normal draw even RNG, the sum 36 or "0" comes up at least once a year, but it maybe more because i am kind of rusty on Pick4 for i don't play that game nor i specialize on that game...Maybe i am thinking of Pick3...
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
"My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts..."
As states began creating their lotteries, they didn't raise the standard payoffs of $500 on the Pick-3 and $5000 on the Pick-4 games so I see no reason for them to give better payoffs if they add the Sum bet.
"But if you were to play 5 dollars on 1 sum everyday for 365 days it will equal 1825 dollars AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 has to appear once a year, even if it appears once every 2 years"
There are 10,000 straight combinations in a Pick-4 game and even if they drew twice a day, it would take over 13 years before they would have 10,000 drawings. And there is no guarantee 0000 or 9999 would be drawn.
"YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 HAS TO APPEAR at least Once every 2 years...And this is where my theory of number manipulations come in, because you and i know that in every normal draw even RNG, the sum 36 or "0" comes up at least once a year, but it maybe more because i am kind of rusty on Pick4 for i don't play that game nor i specialize on that game...Maybe i am thinking of Pick3..."
Ask Thoth how many years it's been since 023 was drawn in the Ohio Pick-3. Over 10,000 draws and it's still in hiding.
Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Nov 2, 2007
"Ask Thoth how many years it's been since 023 was drawn in the Ohio Pick-3. Over 10,000 draws and it's still in hiding."
Maybe 023 (exactly) hasn't played but i am sure 320 and 230 has played already...
You can only play 0000 and 9999 straight so the payouts for the sums of 0 and 36 are the same. All the Pick-4 sum payoffs are based on the standard 5000 to 1 payout divided by the number of straight combinations in each sum.
If you played $5 every draw on 0000 (or the sum of 0), your profit would depend on how many draws you played it before it hit. Because 0000 is just one of 10,000 Pick-4 numbers and the payouts are 50% of the true odds, after 5000 draws without a hit you would have to raise your bet to make a profit.
You're assuming that 0000 "should" hit once every two years or around 1500 drawings (based on 2 drawings a day, 7 days a week) and I gave an example of how sometimes assumptions are wrong. 023 is just one of 1000 Pick-3 and the logical assumption is that after it wasn't drawn for 1000 drawings, it "should" hit in the next year or at least in the next 1000 drawings.
Both 320 and 230 have hit since the last time 023 was drawn, but if you're assuming 023 "should" hit in the next year because it's been 10,000 draws since the last hit, why would you play those numbers?
I don't know about other states, but there are no drawings on Sundays in Tx. There are 313 drawings a year for Pick 3, Daily 4, and Cash 5.
Assuming a sum or number will hit once a year or so, I play Pick 3 that way. For example, the number 543 has hit 13 times in the evening draw, more than any other number. That figures to app 1 time a year on average since Pick 3 was started in Tx. I have started playing $1 every night on that number. If I hit once in 313 drawings, that's $313, but win $500 for a net profit of $187. It's not perfect, but I believe that being in the black on any lottery for the year is pretty good considering the house odds.
The amount of the Sum It Up prize ranges from $3 to $2,500, depending upon the wager amount selected and the odds for the chosen sum.
Great idea, hope Georgia does that too!
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Obviously if you can bet on the sums of pick3 and pick4 combinations then their sums are no more predictable than the combinations themselves. Kinda confirm that systems that pick combinations based on sums have no advantage.
Please do not double-post. (You posted the same e-mail in another forum.)
I'm not so sure. Another way of looking at it is that it gives you a different metric to track. In fact, the Texas Lottery has a page on their site that tracks the sums over time.
Another wrinkle is that it gives you a different way to decide between picks. Do you want the combo with the higher payout, or the combo with the better chance of winning?
Any kind of tracking you do is an advantage.
If they start this in Ky I'm moving to a non lotto state..Nevada and Las Vegas....
"We are pleased with the sales numbers for Daily 4 with Sum It Up so far," said Texas Lottery Commission Executive Director Anthony J. Sadberry. "Sum It Up will also enhance Pick 3, providing a fun new way for players to win."
I was looking at the Texas Lottery website and they have the front pair, back pair, and middle pair option on their Pick-4. You can access digit and number frequencies and they give the results of test draws too. Mr. Sadberry knows how to run a player friendly lottery!
"Sadberry added, "By adding this feature to the Pick 3 game, we hope to generate even more money for the Foundation School Fund."
Give the players what the want, they will play, they will have fun, and the profits will go up. Quite a contrast to the way the Tennessee Lottery decided to increase profits.
Intersting idea...Is better than nothing...
So if someone wants to make predictions on LP of Texas Cash3 Sum it up part how will they do it? Is LP ready for predictions involving the sum of the Pick3 numbers?
We have to understand that the population of Texas is much bigger than the population of Georgia..they may be able to pull it off...The good news are if it works in Texas it can work in Florida, Ca, NY..The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager..
And i wander which one would have been better to wager on, Sums or regular numbers...Something tells me that Sums...
But is great if they make it for cash3 and not pick4...Well i mean people will revert a little bit more towards sum it up of cash4, because the game is a little too hard to get straight, so ther will be giving people a break...I am going to try and see if i can make predictions ONLY for Cash3 if LP allows me to place the predictions for Cash3 sum it up...But is going to be a while because i need like at least like 90 days pre-history draws to beging making predictions...but i wander how much does the sum it up for cash3 will pay..
What i like is that for cash3 people it gives them a break for playing a take your money game called Cash3 and Cash4....But to me they could have done better...But their mentalitty is whatever for the state without been fair and balanced or a little bit more balanced than fair...
I believe they are going to make a lot of money off of it because people everywhere in the world are hungry for an easier cash3 and cash4 game (i said easier not easy game)...
If you want to have your eyes opened about the Texas Lottery, read Dawn Nettles' article in the Texas Lottery Report about the dishonest bet the state accepts on pair sums. They accept the sum bet on pairs and don't pay up if the sucker wins. TLC doesn't mean Tender Loving Care down here in the Lone Star State. We have a saying down here: "Don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining!"
Orangeman
"The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager.."
They give you the option to play up to $5.00 or you can play it for 50 cents. The front pair/back pair/outside pair option has been on most Pick-3 games since day 1 though not very many people play it. Player friendly lotteries know this but still offer that option to all their players.
I learned long ago it's none of my business if somebody bets a $1 straight on 7961 and bets $5 on the sum of 6.
if they give people the option of 5.00 and of 50 cents i believe they will go BROKE...And then they will not be an example for other states to immitate....: (...Well at least on Pick3....Don't think it will happen for pick4...
But they never want to listen to me...I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc....See if the game will withstand attacks, number of casualties, etc, etc, the list goes on...If you have to use a 1 million dollar supercomputer or a computer so be it...If you have to do it with paper and pencil the experiment so be it, but do it...
What i see happening is they are going to go broke and the rest of States will get INTIMIDATED AND WILL not follow/immitate....
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
I wish the country of Brazil, Colombia, Argentina and Bolivia would put a pick3 And Pick4 like that; the state of Texas for now, for the mean time....
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-files"
If lotteries only allowed straight number bets they would lose players. The Sum bet is just another way to bet the outcome like a box bet or a front pair bet. There is a start-up expense; programming terminals, printing new play slips, etc, but it's minimal.
We've read about system where you box 6 digits with a minimum cost of $10 (twenty 50 cent boxes) and if 1 of the boxes hit, you collect $40. A lottery could offer that same bet for 50 cents with a payout of $4 or payout $40 on a $5 bet. The Sum bet is basically the same thing where you're playing all the combinations (in any order) that add up to that sum.
http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/default/Games/Daily_4/How_to_Play_Daily_4.html
"I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc...."
The Texas Pick-4 game is new so there is no history a player could use to determine which sum to play, but the article says they are adding the Sum bet to its Pick-3 that does have a long history.
Now i see that there is some restriction on different sums...They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win...I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people...That's just another pre-text to raise the price of each entry in the future...I thought they were giving people a break but apparently they are not...
Also is restrictions like that placed on the lottery on which numbers they should draw more often that calls for lottery manipulation...I got to see how they are going to make the Cash3 payouts to see if i'll be making predictions: if they make it hard i'll not make predictions, if they make it flexible/balanced i'll...At least something good came out of all this: they gave me a great idea...
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
But i am confident LP predictors will take good juice out of this lottery with their predictions....And in cash3 is even worse...My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts...
With the sum it up option states can compete against horseracing which i think was what was happening in texas...I bet that the TX Pick4/Pick3 lottery was losing money against horse racing tracks, if such are legal in Texas...
But i think i saw a Theoretical glitch (yeah because is theoretical) on Texas's Cash4 Sum it up option...It says there that the 5 dollar wager for the 36 or 0 sum pays 25,000 dollars...But if you were to play 5 dollars on 1 sum everyday for 365 days it will equal 1825 dollars AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 has to appear once a year, even if it appears once every 2 years that will be 5 X 730 days = 3650 dollars...(and if is 4 years is 7,300 dollars which leaves you with 17,700 dollars) AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 HAS TO APPEAR at least Once every 2 years...And this is where my theory of number manipulations come in, because you and i know that in every normal draw even RNG, the sum 36 or "0" comes up at least once a year, but it maybe more because i am kind of rusty on Pick4 for i don't play that game nor i specialize on that game...Maybe i am thinking of Pick3...
"The Truth is Out There" from movie "The X-Files"
"They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win..."
The payoffs are based on the number of combinations that add to the sum. There is only one sum of 0 and 36 so that pays $2500 for a 50 cent wager. With the sum of 18 you get more combinations so the payoffs are much lower.
Let's say you wanted play $1 straight and $1 box on 2578. They give you the option to play the Sum of 22 and you could put a $1 on that too for a total of $3 and if 3469 hits, you would still win $8 on the Sum bet. It's a hedge bet like betting a horse to show.
"I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people..."
You're misunderstanding how it works. You don't have to wager $5; you have the option to bet from 50 cents all the way up to $5.
"My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts..."
As states began creating their lotteries, they didn't raise the standard payoffs of $500 on the Pick-3 and $5000 on the Pick-4 games so I see no reason for them to give better payoffs if they add the Sum bet.
"But if you were to play 5 dollars on 1 sum everyday for 365 days it will equal 1825 dollars AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 has to appear once a year, even if it appears once every 2 years"
There are 10,000 straight combinations in a Pick-4 game and even if they drew twice a day, it would take over 13 years before they would have 10,000 drawings. And there is no guarantee 0000 or 9999 would be drawn.
"YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 HAS TO APPEAR at least Once every 2 years...And this is where my theory of number manipulations come in, because you and i know that in every normal draw even RNG, the sum 36 or "0" comes up at least once a year, but it maybe more because i am kind of rusty on Pick4 for i don't play that game nor i specialize on that game...Maybe i am thinking of Pick3..."
Ask Thoth how many years it's been since 023 was drawn in the Ohio Pick-3. Over 10,000 draws and it's still in hiding.
"Ask Thoth how many years it's been since 023 was drawn in the Ohio Pick-3. Over 10,000 draws and it's still in hiding."
Maybe 023 (exactly) hasn't played but i am sure 320 and 230 has played already...
You can only play 0000 and 9999 straight so the payouts for the sums of 0 and 36 are the same. All the Pick-4 sum payoffs are based on the standard 5000 to 1 payout divided by the number of straight combinations in each sum.
If you played $5 every draw on 0000 (or the sum of 0), your profit would depend on how many draws you played it before it hit. Because 0000 is just one of 10,000 Pick-4 numbers and the payouts are 50% of the true odds, after 5000 draws without a hit you would have to raise your bet to make a profit.
You're assuming that 0000 "should" hit once every two years or around 1500 drawings (based on 2 drawings a day, 7 days a week) and I gave an example of how sometimes assumptions are wrong. 023 is just one of 1000 Pick-3 and the logical assumption is that after it wasn't drawn for 1000 drawings, it "should" hit in the next year or at least in the next 1000 drawings.
Both 320 and 230 have hit since the last time 023 was drawn, but if you're assuming 023 "should" hit in the next year because it's been 10,000 draws since the last hit, why would you play those numbers?
I don't know about other states, but there are no drawings on Sundays in Tx. There are 313 drawings a year for Pick 3, Daily 4, and Cash 5.
Assuming a sum or number will hit once a year or so, I play Pick 3 that way. For example, the number 543 has hit 13 times in the evening draw, more than any other number. That figures to app 1 time a year on average since Pick 3 was started in Tx. I have started playing $1 every night on that number. If I hit once in 313 drawings, that's $313, but win $500 for a net profit of $187. It's not perfect, but I believe that being in the black on any lottery for the year is pretty good considering the house odds.
Ron