Tennessee Lottery computerized drawings under suspicion again

Apr 8, 2008, 8:26 pm (56 comments)

Tennessee Lottery

Lottery draws same numbers 3 days in a row; same thing happened last month

When will the Tenn. Lottery dump the computer draws?

Seven was a lucky number for Tennessee lottery players last week. A very, very, very lucky number.

For three consecutive days, the winning ticket in the Cash 3 drawing was some combination of two sevens and a zero. Thursday, the winning Cash 3 number at midday was 0-7-7. Friday, the winning midday number was 7-0-7. And Saturday evening, the winning number was again 0-7-7.

It was the second time in two months that winning lotto number combinations repeated in consecutive games. In March, the Cash 4 drawings paid out for 1-3-7-2, 1-7-2-3, and 2-3-7-1 over the course of two days.

Lottery officials say the equipment has been checked, certified, audited and checked again. The repeating numbers, they say, are a statistical coincidence.

"We're always watching, monitoring and testing. We have found nothing wrong with how the equipment is operating," said lottery spokeswoman Kym Gerlock.

Last year, a software error in the lottery's computer equipment generated winning numbers for several weeks that never had repeated digits. That meant that people who chose numbers with duplicate digits, such as 5-4-5 or 9-9-9-8, had no chance of winning.

That glitch prompted the state to call in an outside computer review and launch its own audit of the Tennessee lottery computers. Gerlock said the equipment has been certified and passed a compliance audit by the outside auditing firm KPMG Canada. The audit also cleared the computers that Tennessee uses in lieu of traditional pingpong-ball lottery machines.

Bruce Cooil, associate professor of management at Vanderbilt's Owen School of Management, studies the probability of rare events.

"In the Cash 3 Lottery, the probability is less than 1 in 10,000 that one would see the same three numbers in various orders for three of the last four winning numbers," he said. He thinks the lottery should check its equipment.

But Rafe Donahue, adjunct associate professor of biostatistics at Vanderbilt, has watched the Tennessee lottery computers in action and said he was impressed by the precautions the system takes to ensure its random drawings are honestly random.

Two bills that would switch the lottery back to using ping-pong balls are pending in the legislature.

Thanks to four4me for the tip.

Tennessean

Comments

JAP69's avatarJAP69

I want to see what the payout increase was from draw to draw for the 077 combos back to back.

They will probably end up paying out more per year in prize payout than when they had ball draws.

That pick 4 back to back cost them a bundle.

Somebody must have them figured by now.

JustFrozen's avatarJustFrozen

This has got to help push the legislation through, which is a good thing because this kind of stuff repeating has got to be killing consumer confidence

time*treat's avatartime*treat

"We have found nothing wrong with how the equipment is operating" ~ spoken like ... well nevermind. Wink

Who programs these machines, anyway? Diebold? Clown

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

To put this in some kind of perspective, the probability of selecting a back to back combination from any of these set of Pick 3 numbers, {077, 707}, three times is (2 out of 1000) ^ 3 or 8 out of 1,000,000,000; this reduces down to 1 out of 125,000,000. Here are a few other games with their probabilities: Powerball - 1 out of 146,107,962 / Mega Millions - 1 out of 175,711,536 / my state’s Megabucks Pick 6 of 49 - 1 out of 13,983,816. That is the probability of winning those lotteries on the first try using only one combination or play. There is actually a better probability of winning my state’s lottery the first time using only one play combination by a factor of 8.9 times.

Also, keep in mind the original probability is 8 out of 1 BILLION... That’s BILLION with a ‘B’.

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on Apr 8, 2008

I want to see what the payout increase was from draw to draw for the 077 combos back to back.

They will probably end up paying out more per year in prize payout than when they had ball draws.

That pick 4 back to back cost them a bundle.

Somebody must have them figured by now.

CASH 3 4/5/2008 Evening 077 $50,460.00
CASH 3 4/4/2008 Mid-Day 707 $27,180.00
CASH 3 4/4/2008 Evening 046 $25,180.00
CASH 3 4/3/2008 Mid-Day 077 $18,400.00
littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Apr 8, 2008

"We have found nothing wrong with how the equipment is operating" ~ spoken like ... well nevermind. Wink

Who programs these machines, anyway? Diebold? Clown

Yeah,right!?  The fact that a "glitch" happened before only convinces me that me that a "glitch" could happen again.  I have been watching the Tenn numbers since the 3,6,9 repetition months ago. 

littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

3,6,9,repetition scroll down

 

CASH 3

 

 

1/2/2008

 

 

Evening

 

 

593

 

 

$22,790.00

CASH 3 1/1/2008 Mid-Day 649 $16,440.00
CASH 3 1/1/2008 Evening 986 $37,580.00
CASH 3 12/31/2007 Mid-Day 253 $28,990.00
CASH 3 12/31/2007 Evening 990 $36,550.00
CASH 3 12/30/2007 Evening 527 $84,940.00
CASH 3 12/29/2007 Mid-Day 828 $60,170.00
CASH 3 12/29/2007 Evening 634 $53,000.00
CASH 3 12/28/2007 Mid-Day 067 $11,710.00
CASH 3 12/28/2007 Evening 286 $61,490.00
CASH 3 12/27/2007 Mid-Day 511 $21,310.00
CASH 3 12/27/2007 Evening 394 $25,570.00
CASH 3 12/26/2007 Mid-Day 650 $10,510.00
CASH 3 12/26/2007 Evening 694 $54,060.00
CASH 3 12/25/2007 Mid-Day 846 $18,260.00
CASH 3 12/25/2007 Evening 369 $120,290.00
CASH 3 12/24/2007 Mid-Day 212 $81,810.00
CASH 3 12/24/2007 Evening 389 $29,980.00
CASH 3 12/23/2007 Evening 690 $17,010.00
CASH 3 12/22/2007 Mid-Day 033 $22,520.00
CASH 3 12/22/2007 Evening 739 $39,330.00
CASH 3 12/21/2007 Mid-Day 266 $24,650.00
CASH 3 12/21/2007 Evening 384 $50,880.00
CASH 3 12/20/2007 Mid-Day 402 $18,590.00
CASH 3 12/20/2007 Evening 413 $71,640.00
CASH 3 12/19/2007 Mid-Day 440 $41,980.00
CASH 3 12/19/2007 Evening 629 $78,800.00
CASH 3 12/18/2007 Mid-Day 318 $37,150.00
CASH 3 12/18/2007 Evening 857 $39,000.00
CASH 3 12/17/2007 Mid-Day 953 $23,440.00
CASH 3 12/17/2007 Evening 923 $71,730.00
CASH 3 12/16/2007 Evening 063 $23,320.00
CASH 3 12/15/2007 Mid-Day 075 $17,140.00
CASH 3 12/15/2007 Evening 164 $35,230.00
CASH 3 12/14/2007 Mid-Day 898 $23,390.00
CASH 3 12/14/2007 Evening 029 $51,310.00
CASH 3 12/13/2007 Mid-Day 374 $27,320.00
CASH 3 12/13/2007 Evening 439 $31,080.00
CASH 3 12/12/2007 Mid-Day 520 $27,700.00
CASH 3 12/12/2007 Evening 656 $45,940.00
CASH 3 12/11/2007 Mid-Day 492 $16,510.00
CASH 3 12/11/2007 Evening 924 $68,200.00
CASH 3 12/10/2007 Mid-Day 298 $20,920.00
CASH 3 12/10/2007 Evening 058 $20,710.00
CASH 3 12/9/2007 Evening 620 $27,990.00
CASH 3 12/8/2007 Mid-Day 575 $39,010.00
CASH 3 12/8/2007 Evening 979 $61,940.00
CASH 3 12/7/2007 Mid-Day 681 $24,950.00
CASH 3 12/7/2007 Evening 732 $68,140.00
CASH 3 12/6/2007 Mid-Day 797 $27,160.00
CASH 3 12/6/2007 Evening 188 $60,740.00
CASH 3 12/5/2007 Mid-Day 167 $31,860.00
CASH 3 12/5/2007 Evening 944 $34,410.00
CASH 3 12/4/2007 Mid-Day 391 $20,020.00
CASH 3 12/4/2007 Evening 195 $49,630.00
CASH 3 12/3/2007 Mid-Day 093 $13,600.00
JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

Quote: Originally posted by littlejsing on Apr 9, 2008

3,6,9,repetition scroll down

 

CASH 3

 

 

1/2/2008

 

 

Evening

 

 

593

 

 

$22,790.00

CASH 3 1/1/2008 Mid-Day 649 $16,440.00
CASH 3 1/1/2008 Evening 986 $37,580.00
CASH 3 12/31/2007 Mid-Day 253 $28,990.00
CASH 3 12/31/2007 Evening 990 $36,550.00
CASH 3 12/30/2007 Evening 527 $84,940.00
CASH 3 12/29/2007 Mid-Day 828 $60,170.00
CASH 3 12/29/2007 Evening 634 $53,000.00
CASH 3 12/28/2007 Mid-Day 067 $11,710.00
CASH 3 12/28/2007 Evening 286 $61,490.00
CASH 3 12/27/2007 Mid-Day 511 $21,310.00
CASH 3 12/27/2007 Evening 394 $25,570.00
CASH 3 12/26/2007 Mid-Day 650 $10,510.00
CASH 3 12/26/2007 Evening 694 $54,060.00
CASH 3 12/25/2007 Mid-Day 846 $18,260.00
CASH 3 12/25/2007 Evening 369 $120,290.00
CASH 3 12/24/2007 Mid-Day 212 $81,810.00
CASH 3 12/24/2007 Evening 389 $29,980.00
CASH 3 12/23/2007 Evening 690 $17,010.00
CASH 3 12/22/2007 Mid-Day 033 $22,520.00
CASH 3 12/22/2007 Evening 739 $39,330.00
CASH 3 12/21/2007 Mid-Day 266 $24,650.00
CASH 3 12/21/2007 Evening 384 $50,880.00
CASH 3 12/20/2007 Mid-Day 402 $18,590.00
CASH 3 12/20/2007 Evening 413 $71,640.00
CASH 3 12/19/2007 Mid-Day 440 $41,980.00
CASH 3 12/19/2007 Evening 629 $78,800.00
CASH 3 12/18/2007 Mid-Day 318 $37,150.00
CASH 3 12/18/2007 Evening 857 $39,000.00
CASH 3 12/17/2007 Mid-Day 953 $23,440.00
CASH 3 12/17/2007 Evening 923 $71,730.00
CASH 3 12/16/2007 Evening 063 $23,320.00
CASH 3 12/15/2007 Mid-Day 075 $17,140.00
CASH 3 12/15/2007 Evening 164 $35,230.00
CASH 3 12/14/2007 Mid-Day 898 $23,390.00
CASH 3 12/14/2007 Evening 029 $51,310.00
CASH 3 12/13/2007 Mid-Day 374 $27,320.00
CASH 3 12/13/2007 Evening 439 $31,080.00
CASH 3 12/12/2007 Mid-Day 520 $27,700.00
CASH 3 12/12/2007 Evening 656 $45,940.00
CASH 3 12/11/2007 Mid-Day 492 $16,510.00
CASH 3 12/11/2007 Evening 924 $68,200.00
CASH 3 12/10/2007 Mid-Day 298 $20,920.00
CASH 3 12/10/2007 Evening 058 $20,710.00
CASH 3 12/9/2007 Evening 620 $27,990.00
CASH 3 12/8/2007 Mid-Day 575 $39,010.00
CASH 3 12/8/2007 Evening 979 $61,940.00
CASH 3 12/7/2007 Mid-Day 681 $24,950.00
CASH 3 12/7/2007 Evening 732 $68,140.00
CASH 3 12/6/2007 Mid-Day 797 $27,160.00
CASH 3 12/6/2007 Evening 188 $60,740.00
CASH 3 12/5/2007 Mid-Day 167 $31,860.00
CASH 3 12/5/2007 Evening 944 $34,410.00
CASH 3 12/4/2007 Mid-Day 391 $20,020.00
CASH 3 12/4/2007 Evening 195 $49,630.00
CASH 3 12/3/2007 Mid-Day 093 $13,600.00

Just a simple glance at these I'd have to say the System is Hacked!!!

Someone is cashing in BIG TIME on this one.

This isn't a glitch, it's a HACK!!!

LOTTOMIKE's avatarLOTTOMIKE

it will feel really good to buy a tennessee lottery ticket again if they decide to go back to ball draws.

 

p.s.....i got an idea.i think rebecca paul hardrode needs to resign and bring our ball drawings back.

littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

I totally agree!

konane's avatarkonane

Doesn't matter how many times you've contacted your legislators ...... contact them again and again and again if you feel strongly enough about this.

It's a sure bet they're being lobbied to keep the RNG's.

Keep pressure on to revert back to ball drop draws you can see with your own eyes !!!!!!!!!!

lotterybraker's avatarlotterybraker

the same combo coming out 3 times in a row really isnt that big of a deal..look at this way

..Have you ever seen the digit 1( or any single digit) repeat in 3 straight draws..Yes!!!

 

Have you ever seen a pair like 12( or any other pair) repeat for 3 straight draws in a row...Yes!!!

 

the same combo is the samething..its just part of the same group..it has happened many times before..it will happen many times to come..haha

 

Did you notice the pay out increase on the 3rd 077...it went UP!!!!..hahaha

Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

It wasn't consecutive draws - there was a draw in-between.  Besides, you can't compare draws together, because each one is a separate event.  I've been trying to recognize a pattern, but there isn't one.  It's random... and you'll see stuff like that randomly. 

Guru101's avatarGuru101

Quote: Originally posted by littlejsing on Apr 9, 2008

3,6,9,repetition scroll down

 

CASH 3

 

 

1/2/2008

 

 

Evening

 

 

593

 

 

$22,790.00

CASH 3 1/1/2008 Mid-Day 649 $16,440.00
CASH 3 1/1/2008 Evening 986 $37,580.00
CASH 3 12/31/2007 Mid-Day 253 $28,990.00
CASH 3 12/31/2007 Evening 990 $36,550.00
CASH 3 12/30/2007 Evening 527 $84,940.00
CASH 3 12/29/2007 Mid-Day 828 $60,170.00
CASH 3 12/29/2007 Evening 634 $53,000.00
CASH 3 12/28/2007 Mid-Day 067 $11,710.00
CASH 3 12/28/2007 Evening 286 $61,490.00
CASH 3 12/27/2007 Mid-Day 511 $21,310.00
CASH 3 12/27/2007 Evening 394 $25,570.00
CASH 3 12/26/2007 Mid-Day 650 $10,510.00
CASH 3 12/26/2007 Evening 694 $54,060.00
CASH 3 12/25/2007 Mid-Day 846 $18,260.00
CASH 3 12/25/2007 Evening 369 $120,290.00
CASH 3 12/24/2007 Mid-Day 212 $81,810.00
CASH 3 12/24/2007 Evening 389 $29,980.00
CASH 3 12/23/2007 Evening 690 $17,010.00
CASH 3 12/22/2007 Mid-Day 033 $22,520.00
CASH 3 12/22/2007 Evening 739 $39,330.00
CASH 3 12/21/2007 Mid-Day 266 $24,650.00
CASH 3 12/21/2007 Evening 384 $50,880.00
CASH 3 12/20/2007 Mid-Day 402 $18,590.00
CASH 3 12/20/2007 Evening 413 $71,640.00
CASH 3 12/19/2007 Mid-Day 440 $41,980.00
CASH 3 12/19/2007 Evening 629 $78,800.00
CASH 3 12/18/2007 Mid-Day 318 $37,150.00
CASH 3 12/18/2007 Evening 857 $39,000.00
CASH 3 12/17/2007 Mid-Day 953 $23,440.00
CASH 3 12/17/2007 Evening 923 $71,730.00
CASH 3 12/16/2007 Evening 063 $23,320.00
CASH 3 12/15/2007 Mid-Day 075 $17,140.00
CASH 3 12/15/2007 Evening 164 $35,230.00
CASH 3 12/14/2007 Mid-Day 898 $23,390.00
CASH 3 12/14/2007 Evening 029 $51,310.00
CASH 3 12/13/2007 Mid-Day 374 $27,320.00
CASH 3 12/13/2007 Evening 439 $31,080.00
CASH 3 12/12/2007 Mid-Day 520 $27,700.00
CASH 3 12/12/2007 Evening 656 $45,940.00
CASH 3 12/11/2007 Mid-Day 492 $16,510.00
CASH 3 12/11/2007 Evening 924 $68,200.00
CASH 3 12/10/2007 Mid-Day 298 $20,920.00
CASH 3 12/10/2007 Evening 058 $20,710.00
CASH 3 12/9/2007 Evening 620 $27,990.00
CASH 3 12/8/2007 Mid-Day 575 $39,010.00
CASH 3 12/8/2007 Evening 979 $61,940.00
CASH 3 12/7/2007 Mid-Day 681 $24,950.00
CASH 3 12/7/2007 Evening 732 $68,140.00
CASH 3 12/6/2007 Mid-Day 797 $27,160.00
CASH 3 12/6/2007 Evening 188 $60,740.00
CASH 3 12/5/2007 Mid-Day 167 $31,860.00
CASH 3 12/5/2007 Evening 944 $34,410.00
CASH 3 12/4/2007 Mid-Day 391 $20,020.00
CASH 3 12/4/2007 Evening 195 $49,630.00
CASH 3 12/3/2007 Mid-Day 093 $13,600.00

369 only showed up once in that entire list. Where are you going with that? Also, Mid-day and evening are 2 separate drawings.

GASMETERGUY

Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:

 

 

because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers

 

If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee’s RNG picking the number 7 three draws in a row.

 

Do we have someone from Florida who can verify this?

konane's avatarkonane

Lately in Georgia with ball draw we've had the same digits drawn in Cash 3 back to back or within a few days of one another ..... have seen comments on LP wondering what's happening when we see the draw take place before our very eyes.

In the case of Tennessee the same digits were drawn within 4 draws ..... behind closed door with no players being able to watch the actual drawing ........ which certainly raises suspicions discussed here and in other posts about Tennessee's RNG's.

Nothing feels random about the same digits in 4 consecutive draws, does it??????  What?

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by GASMETERGUY on Apr 9, 2008

Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:

 

 

because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers

 

If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee’s RNG picking the number 7 three draws in a row.

 

Do we have someone from Florida who can verify this?

The observation made by Pick-4_Master is not relevant to this discussion, because we are not talking about one digit being drawn on consecutive days, or being "out" for a couple weeks.

We are talking about all three digits matching several draws in a row, and not just happening once:  it happened just last month too!

The odds of that taking place are astronomical, and you'd have to try very hard to find another time, in any state, where it has happened.  Perhaps it's never happened, I'm not sure.

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

Quote: Originally posted by Guru101 on Apr 9, 2008

369 only showed up once in that entire list. Where are you going with that? Also, Mid-day and evening are 2 separate drawings.

it's not the 369 combo by itself. it is the selection of 3, 6 and 9 individually over that period. yes, there just happens to be a 369 combo, but it also has the highest payout, too. that payout also adds to the suspicion of the particular numbers of 3, 6 and 9.

four4me

I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.

Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.

How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.

 

CASH 3 12/25/2007 Evening 369 $120,290.00
Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

3-6-9 is one of the most popular numbers consistently played in Pick 3 games.  Look it up- there will be a big payout EVERY time that number hits, especially straight. 

Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right? 

4/7 eve 5-2-7   4/7 mid  1-4-7   4/6 eve  4-2-7

4/4 eve 3-8-9  4/4 mid 6-0-9   4/3 eve 8-9-3

3/22 mid  1-7-9  3/21 eve 7-1-9  3/21 mid 9-1-7  3/20 eve  8-3-5  3/20 mid 3-5-8

2/19 eve  4-3-6  2/19 mid  4-6-3  2/18  eve 2-4-3

1/15 eve eve 0-2-0  1/15 mid  0-0-8  1/14 eve  0-0-2  1/14 mid  9-2-0

12/1 eve 0-4-3  12/1 mid  2-4-3  11/30 eve  2-3-3  11/30  mid  0-3-3

10/27  eve  1-7-3  10/27 mid 1-7-3

Those are all consecutive draws and within the range of probability for random numbers.  Where's the conspiracy 

ToadSchmode's avatarToadSchmode

Quote: Originally posted by lotterybraker on Apr 9, 2008

the same combo coming out 3 times in a row really isnt that big of a deal..look at this way

..Have you ever seen the digit 1( or any single digit) repeat in 3 straight draws..Yes!!!

 

Have you ever seen a pair like 12( or any other pair) repeat for 3 straight draws in a row...Yes!!!

 

the same combo is the samething..its just part of the same group..it has happened many times before..it will happen many times to come..haha

 

Did you notice the pay out increase on the 3rd 077...it went UP!!!!..hahaha

CT- 3/11 659 Mid

CT- 3/12  695 Mid 695 Eve

flamarko

NO WAY ...NO HOW!!!

2 days in a row..maybe. It has happened!

But 3 days Disapprove

I wouldn't spend dime one in Tenn.

I have a hard a time enough believing in the 100% integrity of regular BALL DRAWS in my own home state let alone some computer that can calculate HOUSE STAKES vs ACTUAL # OF BETTERS .

Maybe it's a lack of understanding. But I don't get how in BALL DRAW states why they run several tests before the actual draw.

IS IT LIMITED TO "x" amount of pre-draw tests?

Or do LOTTERY OFFICIALS get to choose the number of "dry run tests" ?

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

I think those of you in and around TN should rape the TN Lottery for everything you can the next time something like this happens. Play that 'hunch' and suck the life out their profits. I think if they see a payout of $5,000,000.00 on one Pick 3 draw they'd really do something about it.

fbird's avatarfbird

Quote: Originally posted by Captain Lotto on Apr 9, 2008

OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right? 

4/7 eve 5-2-7   4/7 mid  1-4-7   4/6 eve  4-2-7

4/4 eve 3-8-9  4/4 mid 6-0-9   4/3 eve 8-9-3

3/22 mid  1-7-9  3/21 eve 7-1-9  3/21 mid 9-1-7  3/20 eve  8-3-5  3/20 mid 3-5-8

2/19 eve  4-3-6  2/19 mid  4-6-3  2/18  eve 2-4-3

1/15 eve eve 0-2-0  1/15 mid  0-0-8  1/14 eve  0-0-2  1/14 mid  9-2-0

12/1 eve 0-4-3  12/1 mid  2-4-3  11/30 eve  2-3-3  11/30  mid  0-3-3

10/27  eve  1-7-3  10/27 mid 1-7-3

Those are all consecutive draws and within the range of probability for random numbers.  Where's the conspiracy 

CL...actually what you have shown, is normal. 60% of the times, 1 digit will repeat from one drawing to the next ( midday to midday and evening to evening ). 2 digit returns average about 1 in 6 draws and they can move eve to eve and midday to eve or eve to midday and midday to midday, for the 2 digit returns....I will generally watch for those that are out  for awhile and play them. But what has happened in Tenn........WOW !!!!!!!!!

Also. what you have shown is over 6 months and it does happen from time to time...even here in michigan...but Tenn is a whole different animal............

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Apr 9, 2008

I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.

Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.

How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.

 

CASH 3 12/25/2007 Evening 369 $120,290.00

It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.

Go to fullsize image  Goes into.

 

Go to fullsize image I miss my baby.

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Apr 9, 2008

It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.

Go to fullsize image  Goes into.

 

Go to fullsize image I miss my baby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine
[ Generation 1: "W" Series 
348 available from 1958 to 1961
409 available from 1961 to 1965
427 (Z11) available only in 1963

2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models 
1965 Chevrolet Corvette
1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1965-1972 Full-size models
 
427 was introduced in 1966
454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
 
And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations.
jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Apr 9, 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine
[ Generation 1: "W" Series 
348 available from 1958 to 1961
409 available from 1961 to 1965
427 (Z11) available only in 1963

2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models 
1965 Chevrolet Corvette
1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1965-1972 Full-size models
 
427 was introduced in 1966
454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
 
And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations.

Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.

But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads.  No biggie.

The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out on calm water is about as fun as it gets, it is almost like flying with instantaneous response.  If you ever so slightly accelerate it puts you back and turning you can feel the G force!

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Apr 9, 2008

Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.

But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads.  No biggie.

The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out on calm water is about as fun as it gets, it is almost like flying with instantaneous response.  If you ever so slightly accelerate it puts you back and turning you can feel the G force!

350 Chevy engine

 one of my favorite numbers

While i am mostly into big blocks more has been done to the 350 engine then just about any engine. Gorilla motor comes to mind. You can mix and mingle 400 Chevy parts cranks etc and build just about any street or strip aplication. All depends on how deep your pockets are.

JackpotWanna's avatarJackpotWanna

Looks like easy money.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Apr 9, 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine
[ Generation 1: "W" Series 
348 available from 1958 to 1961
409 available from 1961 to 1965
427 (Z11) available only in 1963

2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models 
1965 Chevrolet Corvette
1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1965-1972 Full-size models
 
427 was introduced in 1966
454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
 
And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations.

Well, well,  04/10/08 day p3 402  MD. P3 night 351 went from from big block Chevy to Ford Cleveland.  Imagine that. I played 396 and 347 night.  I hope some 402 lovers hit as well as the Mustang Fairlane Club members.

Down's avatarDown

i don't know why they would stop the computer draws because its all "random" just like how every other lottery game is "random"

CARBOB

Quote: Originally posted by Down on Apr 11, 2008

i don't know why they would stop the computer draws because its all "random" just like how every other lottery game is "random"

You obviously have no idea what you are saying!!! How can computer draws be "random", when any programmer working in the Tn Lottery Hqs can manipulate the program. Don't believe all the bs about safeguards!!! My state's lottery is ball drawn, and they are using very questionable tactics, by using test draws. Are the draws being random when this method is used? I say NO. Test draws warp the stats.

littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

Quote: Originally posted by Down on Apr 11, 2008

i don't know why they would stop the computer draws because its all "random" just like how every other lottery game is "random"

I am against the computer drawings because of the risks of manipulating the system.  A person created the system; consequently, a person or persons can hack it.  The mechanical ball system is preferrable because of eliminating this manipulation risk.  Think about it, there is no 24/7 monitoring of the computerized system; therefore the opportunity is there.  At least with the mechanical drawing the player has the opportunity to "visually watch" the process.  As far as cost effectiveness, Tennessee has not saved money when you factor the independent audit costs for the "glitch" and the decrease in ticket sales since the switch. 

Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

Someone needs a lesson in statistics.  You prefer ball drawings, but then claim it's the pre-tests which make them NOT random?  Aren't you glad they test in order to identify tampering? 

IF the drawings are random, testing will not affect the stats.  It's the definition of random.  There is no way to predict the outcome.  There are no patterns to discern. 

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Captain Lotto on Apr 11, 2008

Someone needs a lesson in statistics.  You prefer ball drawings, but then claim it's the pre-tests which make them NOT random?  Aren't you glad they test in order to identify tampering? 

IF the drawings are random, testing will not affect the stats.  It's the definition of random.  There is no way to predict the outcome.  There are no patterns to discern. 

I don't think you realize how condescending that sounds.  Not to mention that you are completely misstating the complaints of those who oppose computerized drawings.  (And those people make up the vast majority, as shown in the numerous polls we've done on the subject.)

Computerized drawings have errors, and they have had errors in just about every state in which they've been used.  Why?  Because computers have to be programmed by people, and people make mistakes.

A certain segment of people are also corrupt (or corruptable), and if a smart, corrupt person has access to a computerized drawing system, that person could potentially swing the odds in the direction they wish, and they could prevent anyone from finding out about it.

I have documented this many times, so I won't do it again here. 

I do know a thing or two about computers, so I know full-well this is possible.  I also know that it is harder to do it with traditional ball machines, because any layperson with a little training can recognize a machine that has been tampered with -- which cannot be said about computers.

When the computer system in tennessee was not drawing doubles, it went on for three weeks without someone noticing an indicator flag was set incorrectly.  Can you imagine if a clever programmer was actually trying to hide something?  What if they triggered it to go off once a year?  Do you think it would be noticed?  I don't.

People want real drawings.  It is ludicrous to fight that.  It's our money, not the lotteries'.

Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

Touche. 

I was replying directly to CARBOB's comment about how he prefers ball drawings but thinks pre-tests throw off the stats. 

You can't have it both ways.  If you think ball drawings represent random, then you can't complain that there are patterns that testing prevents from happening. 

Granted, it is possible that there could be corruption in any aspect of any business.  That's what pre-tests are designed to thwart.  However, using statistically insignifcant occurences as evidence that tampering is taking place is also ludricrous. 

Integrity is the heart and soul of any Lottery - I am certain they will do whatever possible to maintain integrity.  The system in question at one time had a flaw.  They did what was necessary to correct it.  If they have to change draw systems to regain confidence, they may do that.  But I don't think one error is evidence that all computer systems are flawed are somehow more vulnerable to corruption. 

In Missouri, they use a computer system that is stand-alone, not networked and in a completely secure building.  The drawings and thousands of tests have been certified by professionals and auditors to be random.  Drawings are open and can be witnessed by any citizen if desired.  I fail to see how a mistake in Tennessee has rendered their system also somehow untrustworthy.

I have been watching the numbers closely and sometimes see strange pairings or repeats.  But for the life of me, I cannot detect a pattern or predict the next combination.  That's because it's random.  Until someone can demonstrate otherwise, I remain skeptic of conspiracy theories.  And trust I remain a skeptic of everything.   

littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

Quote: Originally posted by Captain Lotto on Apr 11, 2008

Touche. 

I was replying directly to CARBOB's comment about how he prefers ball drawings but thinks pre-tests throw off the stats. 

You can't have it both ways.  If you think ball drawings represent random, then you can't complain that there are patterns that testing prevents from happening. 

Granted, it is possible that there could be corruption in any aspect of any business.  That's what pre-tests are designed to thwart.  However, using statistically insignifcant occurences as evidence that tampering is taking place is also ludricrous. 

Integrity is the heart and soul of any Lottery - I am certain they will do whatever possible to maintain integrity.  The system in question at one time had a flaw.  They did what was necessary to correct it.  If they have to change draw systems to regain confidence, they may do that.  But I don't think one error is evidence that all computer systems are flawed are somehow more vulnerable to corruption. 

In Missouri, they use a computer system that is stand-alone, not networked and in a completely secure building.  The drawings and thousands of tests have been certified by professionals and auditors to be random.  Drawings are open and can be witnessed by any citizen if desired.  I fail to see how a mistake in Tennessee has rendered their system also somehow untrustworthy.

I have been watching the numbers closely and sometimes see strange pairings or repeats.  But for the life of me, I cannot detect a pattern or predict the next combination.  That's because it's random.  Until someone can demonstrate otherwise, I remain skeptic of conspiracy theories.  And trust I remain a skeptic of everything.   

It's quite obvious to me and I'm sure others that you are speaking on behalf of computerized drawings.  I would not be surprised to find that it butters your bread. 

Your statement "I fail to see how a mistake in Tennessee has rendered their system also somehow untrustworthy" is so flippant about players who placed bets with "no chance" of winning.  Perhaps instead of you failing to see it, you refuse to see it or try to fog reality so others don't see it for what it actually is. 

My comments and others in this forum were not going down the path of conspiracy theories that your spin.  We just want to have confidence when a bet is placed it has "a chance" of winning   Stop spinning!!

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Captain Lotto on Apr 11, 2008

Touche. 

I was replying directly to CARBOB's comment about how he prefers ball drawings but thinks pre-tests throw off the stats. 

You can't have it both ways.  If you think ball drawings represent random, then you can't complain that there are patterns that testing prevents from happening. 

Granted, it is possible that there could be corruption in any aspect of any business.  That's what pre-tests are designed to thwart.  However, using statistically insignifcant occurences as evidence that tampering is taking place is also ludricrous. 

Integrity is the heart and soul of any Lottery - I am certain they will do whatever possible to maintain integrity.  The system in question at one time had a flaw.  They did what was necessary to correct it.  If they have to change draw systems to regain confidence, they may do that.  But I don't think one error is evidence that all computer systems are flawed are somehow more vulnerable to corruption. 

In Missouri, they use a computer system that is stand-alone, not networked and in a completely secure building.  The drawings and thousands of tests have been certified by professionals and auditors to be random.  Drawings are open and can be witnessed by any citizen if desired.  I fail to see how a mistake in Tennessee has rendered their system also somehow untrustworthy.

I have been watching the numbers closely and sometimes see strange pairings or repeats.  But for the life of me, I cannot detect a pattern or predict the next combination.  That's because it's random.  Until someone can demonstrate otherwise, I remain skeptic of conspiracy theories.  And trust I remain a skeptic of everything.   

I know the claims of the computerized drawing supporters, and I've heard them repeated many times.  If the Pentagon can be hacked, so can a government lottery machine.  The fact that it is not connected to a LAN or WAN is really not the issue.  There are many ways to skin a cat. (sorry Em.)

There is nothing wrong with me or someone else saying that pre-test drawings throw off the stats.  Perhaps they do, and it does not diminish the argument at all.  In fact, it bolsters it.

If the numbers are truly random, then they should adhere to the mathematical precepts of random numbers — that over time the numbers will generally be selected more or less evenly.  If you can see the pre-test draws, then the missing data will most definitely affect your predicted outcome.

Any 5th grader studying probability knows that the more times you test a random event, the closer the results will be to the expected outcome.

I have no problem with pre-test drawings — as long as the lottery fully releases the draw data, with every drawing accounted for.  By hiding the pre-test data, the lottery is acting as if they are guarding important information — and they are, from my standpoint.

There is nothing about "having it both ways" here.  This is basic stuff.

There is absolutely no reason to move to computerized drawings.  The only affect on players is a negative one.

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

I think the pre-draw information would come in very handy.  It is too bad we aren't privy to it.  We shouldn't have to send an SASE to the lottery Corp to get those results.  I use mainly vtracs and let me tell you..I have seen some things...there are certain days that "belong" to the computerized lottery and certain days you can hit.  It is almost like playing craps I guess..some combinations go to the "house" and others to the players.

lotterybraker's avatarlotterybraker

See I have this MAJOR PROBLEM..with Tampering..expecially the ball drawn states..Granted I dont live in a lottery State but I would ASSUME..that not everyone that works for the lottery has access to the balls or the machines..therefore if any tampering has been done would have to be attached to those that has access to the balls or machines..computers can be tampered with also..although I am no computer expert in fact I would classify myself as computer stupid..but a little extra code here or a little extra there I am sure they can get a combo to show after a certain sequence has shown or something to that effect..

 

As far as the pre-test draws are concerned...you really need to find a better answer than to prevent tampering..ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMPUTER drawn states..did someone steal a combination out of the computer ..NO..they were present in that computer last time it was used..all of them should still be in there next time it is used..you can believe whatever you want..the main purpose of those pretest draws is throw off any patterns that are running..and I believe they are so secret..that some states will not even let you have them..that puts you at a disadvantage..because they know what numbers came up and are gone until it is time for the show again..YOU DONT GET THAT INFO..I commend Texas for at least putting the info on their website where others keep that info from the players..which SHOULD BE ILLEGAL..by all means..

 

The Only True Random drawing there is !!!!

Turn the machine on and what 3 balls come out is the winner..and repeat that same process over and over and over and over..ANY COMBINATION THEY take out of the machine will have an effect on what you decide to play..PRE-TEST OR NOT!!!!

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

If you're so worried about tampering why would you think that tampering isn't a good reason for doing pre-tests? You should be thrilled that they do pre-tests, and you should be asking them to do more.

Anyone with a lick of sense would never do a drawing without checking the machine (whether a ball machine or a computer) first, to make sure that it is working properly as far as they can tell. Besides the (very slim) possibility of tampering, there are all sorts of things that could simply go wrong. Things break. It's as simple as that. It's impossible to prevent all unexpected failures, but having several successful draws after starting the process reduces the chances that the real drawing will be interrupted by a problem.

In the case of computerized drawings, everyone who's afraid that some massive conspiracy will result in a rigged outcome should want plenty of pre-tests, where the results aren't revealed. In the event that there was a software issue designed to produce a specific result plenty of pre-tests increase the chances that such a result would occur during a test, rather than a real drawing. Not revealing the results of the pre-tests would mean that the conspirators would have less chance of being able to detect any results that would otherwise tip them off to a future result. Even if the program was designed to produce a specific result based on some set of circumstances, it would be a trivial matter for a good security program to keep that result, if it even happened, from benefitting anyone unless nearly everyone involved was part of the conspiracy.

For ball machines pre-tests should also be part of the overall security procedures. In the unlikely event that there is enough of a departure from randomness  that it might matter, having random numbers of pre-tests will help conceal it. That doesn't put anyone at a disadvantage, though it  could theoretically limit the advantage of those who search for patterns, or non-randomness. For those who are confused about the reason for pre-tests, they're for the benefit of the lottery's security, and players aren't entitled to know the results.

Badger's avatarBadger

As far as I'm concerned, this is just another example of how you can take statistics and throw them in the litter box if you are observing short-term draws. I've seen way, way too many "odd" occurances in draws in all states over the years.  If everything actually fell "as it should" in the Pick 3, then the longest-out digits and combinations would be drawn each day.   It "don't work that way".

It's only over the long run that things fall into place. In 3 or 4 days of draws, anything can happen that is 180 degrees from what "should" happen.  It may also be true that someone didn't clean out the RNG cache in TN and this happened.  But that wouldn't be the first time, or the first state that it happened in..  Sticking too closely to logic with digits is probably no better in the short term predictions than is using "illogic".  So you just do the best you can.

lotterybraker's avatarlotterybraker

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Apr 12, 2008

If you're so worried about tampering why would you think that tampering isn't a good reason for doing pre-tests? You should be thrilled that they do pre-tests, and you should be asking them to do more.

Anyone with a lick of sense would never do a drawing without checking the machine (whether a ball machine or a computer) first, to make sure that it is working properly as far as they can tell. Besides the (very slim) possibility of tampering, there are all sorts of things that could simply go wrong. Things break. It's as simple as that. It's impossible to prevent all unexpected failures, but having several successful draws after starting the process reduces the chances that the real drawing will be interrupted by a problem.

In the case of computerized drawings, everyone who's afraid that some massive conspiracy will result in a rigged outcome should want plenty of pre-tests, where the results aren't revealed. In the event that there was a software issue designed to produce a specific result plenty of pre-tests increase the chances that such a result would occur during a test, rather than a real drawing. Not revealing the results of the pre-tests would mean that the conspirators would have less chance of being able to detect any results that would otherwise tip them off to a future result. Even if the program was designed to produce a specific result based on some set of circumstances, it would be a trivial matter for a good security program to keep that result, if it even happened, from benefitting anyone unless nearly everyone involved was part of the conspiracy.

For ball machines pre-tests should also be part of the overall security procedures. In the unlikely event that there is enough of a departure from randomness  that it might matter, having random numbers of pre-tests will help conceal it. That doesn't put anyone at a disadvantage, though it  could theoretically limit the advantage of those who search for patterns, or non-randomness. For those who are confused about the reason for pre-tests, they're for the benefit of the lottery's security, and players aren't entitled to know the results.

Ky Floyd...have you ever gone to Play Bingo anywhere....

 

They have all the balls out in their hole before they start bingo and have someone come up and check the machine TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BALLS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR before they start playing..after that there is no pretesting the balls..or machines..or none of that bullcrap..

 

You Know what..I am 45 years old..and I have been playing Bingo since I was a little boy with my Mom..maybe..once or twice in the past 30 years or so have I ever seen the BINGO BALL SHOOT, shoot out a number and it Bounced around on the floor..they just picked it up and put it in the monitor so everyone could see it..NO BIG DEAL...now..is the lotteries machines and balls made by some 3rd world country whos craftsmanship is so shabby that they have to test GOD KNOWS how many times before and probably God knows how many times after a draw..there is nothing wrong with their equipment..their equipment works just fine..and will work just fine and even if a ball does get stuck..SO WHAT...HAVE an observer there to reach in and get it out..They try to make things much harder than they should be..

 

TO make sure the Equipment works fine...<snip>...why in the hell would you need to pretest after the damn draw for..you just pretested before the draw to get to the PAYING DRAW..after the paying draw they PRETEST AGAIN...for what?..

 

ANY COMBINATION..I dont care if it is ONE BALL..2 BALLS..3 BALLS..10 balls..it will mess up NATURAL FLOW..because the next combination they take out SHOULD BE NEXT..oh I am wired up now..hahaha..I only found out about these pretests draws after joining LP here 2 years ago..because I always wondered why I worked up a set of numbers they wouldnt show til months later or longer and I knew there was something wrong and didnt know what it was..now I do!!!!

konane's avatarkonane

Quote: Originally posted by lotterybraker on Apr 12, 2008

Ky Floyd...have you ever gone to Play Bingo anywhere....

 

They have all the balls out in their hole before they start bingo and have someone come up and check the machine TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BALLS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR before they start playing..after that there is no pretesting the balls..or machines..or none of that bullcrap..

 

You Know what..I am 45 years old..and I have been playing Bingo since I was a little boy with my Mom..maybe..once or twice in the past 30 years or so have I ever seen the BINGO BALL SHOOT, shoot out a number and it Bounced around on the floor..they just picked it up and put it in the monitor so everyone could see it..NO BIG DEAL...now..is the lotteries machines and balls made by some 3rd world country whos craftsmanship is so shabby that they have to test GOD KNOWS how many times before and probably God knows how many times after a draw..there is nothing wrong with their equipment..their equipment works just fine..and will work just fine and even if a ball does get stuck..SO WHAT...HAVE an observer there to reach in and get it out..They try to make things much harder than they should be..

 

TO make sure the Equipment works fine...<snip>...why in the hell would you need to pretest after the damn draw for..you just pretested before the draw to get to the PAYING DRAW..after the paying draw they PRETEST AGAIN...for what?..

 

ANY COMBINATION..I dont care if it is ONE BALL..2 BALLS..3 BALLS..10 balls..it will mess up NATURAL FLOW..because the next combination they take out SHOULD BE NEXT..oh I am wired up now..hahaha..I only found out about these pretests draws after joining LP here 2 years ago..because I always wondered why I worked up a set of numbers they wouldnt show til months later or longer and I knew there was something wrong and didnt know what it was..now I do!!!!

Lotterybraker said   "TO make sure the Equipment works fine...<snip>...why in the hell would you need to pretest after the damn draw for..you just pretested before the draw to get to the PAYING DRAW..after the paying draw they PRETEST AGAIN...for what?..  "

 

With bingo multiple games are drawn one after the other after things are verified working. 

After any ball drop lottery game is drawn those balls are put back in their container and locked securely away. 

They perform pre and post draw testing to make sure someone has not replaced ballsets with some "loaded" to effect an outcome of a future game .... implications of that are enormous.

Each game drawn is separate and stands on its own merit, therefore undergo testing for randomness before actual drawing.

Pre and post testing trips me up as far as what I think should be falling ..... but understand because of the above reasons it is absolutely necessary to insure nothing has been tampered with while under lock and key.

four4me

If you actually think that having the pre draw results and the real draw results along with the after draw results will give you anymore edge over the game then you would have not knowing the pre draw results and the after draw results. Your dreaming there is no indication that knowing these results will give you a better chance at winning the next draw. The main reason i say this is because you have know way of knowing what ball sets will be used for any draw. And even if you did you would still have no way of knowing what number will be drawn.

konane's avatarkonane

Normally they state which ballset was used for a given draw, also sometimes the machine. 

Florida used to post both on their site but believe they may not now.  I used to get that info from the TX lottery also, haven't looked or ask lately. 

Some time ago I inquired about GA you had to go to the Georgia Lottery headquarters to view the information but was available upon request. 

Personally I believe it should be published on every lottery's website for examination .... then everyone would know how many ballsets they're using for a given game.  That last tidbit is quite helpful especially if the structure of the game seems to have changed [not including switching to RNG] and you can't get a handle on what's been done to cause it.   Cool 

LckyLary

I propose instead a bill that requires the program code itself and the source device i.e. WNG that generates the drawings, to be public information like the draw history is. Perhaps also to have the store terminals use the same program code for QP so that if you got QP you're on an even playing field. I speculate that the program is trying to be "fair" by having the sums add up some certain way so that there would be no bias but in doing so caused more bias. You in TN have a golden opportunity to figure out *why* a certain combination would come out.

Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

Definition of random -proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

JordanT1021's avatarJordanT1021

i bet tennesse loses a lot of money b/c they don't use ping pong balls. i check the website every now and then and never see a lot of winners. if nc started to use computerized drawings I would drive to va more often

pick4hawk's avatarpick4hawk

My guess is that they have a proplem in there intial seed.

Same input leads to same output. Regardless of of what uniform process they use derive values of digits.

littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

Quote: Originally posted by pick4hawk on Apr 16, 2008

My guess is that they have a proplem in there intial seed.

Same input leads to same output. Regardless of of what uniform process they use derive values of digits.

Yesterday the same numbers were drawn for the midday and evening. That's the second time in less than a month. I will not be playing TN lottery again until they bring back the mechanical ball drawings.  I believe Tn's computerized system has been compromised.

littlejsing's avatarlittlejsing

Quote: Originally posted by littlejsing on Apr 17, 2008

Yesterday the same numbers were drawn for the midday and evening. That's the second time in less than a month. I will not be playing TN lottery again until they bring back the mechanical ball drawings.  I believe Tn's computerized system has been compromised.

I just checked the past winning numbers in TENN.  The same numbers for midday and evening hit on April 4&5.  Look at the winning numbers for March til present.  It definitely looks like a pattern.  Save your past winning tickets because they may owe refunds +$1 for this!

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psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Apr 8, 2008

To put this in some kind of perspective, the probability of selecting a back to back combination from any of these set of Pick 3 numbers, {077, 707}, three times is (2 out of 1000) ^ 3 or 8 out of 1,000,000,000; this reduces down to 1 out of 125,000,000. Here are a few other games with their probabilities: Powerball - 1 out of 146,107,962 / Mega Millions - 1 out of 175,711,536 / my state’s Megabucks Pick 6 of 49 - 1 out of 13,983,816. That is the probability of winning those lotteries on the first try using only one combination or play. There is actually a better probability of winning my state’s lottery the first time using only one play combination by a factor of 8.9 times.

Also, keep in mind the original probability is 8 out of 1 BILLION... That’s BILLION with a ‘B’.

THANK's>>>>>>>>>JL>>>>>>>FOR UR PERSPECTIVE>>>

BUTT & there is alway's a BUTT in the CROWD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

but....why not GIVE the PEOPLE of this GREAT>>>>>>>>>>>>STATE

what>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...........THEY WANT????

No<<<<No<<<<<No<<<<........RNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KISS>>>OFF lottery commie

this is the GREAT>>>>>STATE of TENNESSEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

LOL

PSYKOMO

psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by psykomo on May 1, 2008

THANK's>>>>>>>>>JL>>>>>>>FOR UR PERSPECTIVE>>>

BUTT & there is alway's a BUTT in the CROWD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

but....why not GIVE the PEOPLE of this GREAT>>>>>>>>>>>>STATE

what>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...........THEY WANT????

No<<<<No<<<<<No<<<<........RNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KISS>>>OFF lottery commie

this is the GREAT>>>>>STATE of TENNESSEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

LOL

PSYKOMO

TRANSLATION:

GO>>>>>>>BACK to the FUTURE>>>>>>>>>"BACK to the FUTURE"

of the LOTTERY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with o!o BALL's.!.

AFTER ALL......the people who PLAY this stupid>>>>>game....PAYE'$

not the DICK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HEAD's who RUN-IT<<<<

POWER TO the PEOPLE of Tennessee!!!

LOL

PSYKOMO

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