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The lottery offers an even - odd bet, would you play it?

Sure, I'll play anything.

[ 6 ]

[ 25.0% ]

No, extra bucks for multipliers only.

[ 3 ]

[ 12.5% ]

I'd still bet the wrong side.

[ 3 ]

[ 12.5% ]

They'd rig it. Don't trust even - odd RNGs.

[ 2 ]

[ 8.3% ]

I already bet this with a friend!

[ 2 ]

[ 8.3% ]

Odds hit more.

[ 2 ]

[ 8.3% ]

Evens hit more.

[ 0 ]

[ 0.0% ]

Will there be quick picks for this?

[ 0 ]

[ 0.0% ]

I'm already working on a system!

[ 1 ]

[ 4.2% ]

Other.

[ 5 ]

[ 20.8% ]

Total valid votes

[ 24 ]

Discarded votes

[ 3 ]

Coin Toss

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Jun 27, 2008, 6:18 pm

This would be in essence a side bet and cost another dollar.

It would have to be for a Pick 5 or only the top matrix of Powerball or Mega Millions, as it has to be an odd number to make a prepnderance.

Not sure what the payoff would be, nothing spectacular, maybe a litle beter than even money, maybe even money (or even less?), but the bet would be more evens or odds.

Another possible side bet would be predicting the exact swequence of evens and odds. Of course that would pay a lot better.

And for states like Illinois that use different colored balls, how about betting on the colors in sequence?

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
justxploring

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Jun 27, 2008, 7:13 pm

How would the state make any money with a 50-50 game? There would probably also be a spoiler, like the green zero/double zero on a roulette table. (don't know if spoiler is the correct word)
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Jun 27, 2008, 9:55 pm

Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on Jun 27, 2008
How would the state make any money with a 50-50 game? There would probably also be a spoiler, like the green zero/double zero on a roulette table. (don't know if spoiler is the correct word)

spoiler sounds like a good name for me.
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Jun 27, 2008, 11:29 pm

"Spoiler" is probably not the name you'd call it, when it happened.

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Coin Toss

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Jun 27, 2008, 11:56 pm

Since it's not a case of one odd, one even, both odd, both even, it wouldn't be a 50-50 game as there is a series of five.

The house would still make money on this.

By the way, European roulette wheels only have one 0, American roulette has 00.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jun 28, 2008, 12:22 am

I don't think I would waste another dollar playing something like that, because I still wouldn't be able to pick the right sequence of odd/even...lol, but it does sound like it would be interesting.

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Stack47

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Jun 29, 2008, 12:35 am

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 27, 2008
This would be in essence a side bet and cost another dollar.

It would have to be for a Pick 5 or only the top matrix of Powerball or Mega Millions, as it has to be an odd number to make a prepnderance.

Not sure what the payoff would be, nothing spectacular, maybe a litle beter than even money, maybe even money (or even less?), but the bet would be more evens or odds.

Another possible side bet would be predicting the exact swequence of evens and odds. Of course that would pay a lot better.

And for states like Illinois that use different colored balls, how about betting on the colors in sequence?

I don't know how the payoff could be more than even money (betting $1 and collecting $2) so I doubt many people would bet another buck only win a buck. The Florida Fantasy 5 has an added bet called EZ Play that has pretty nice payoffs.

Pick-3 games have side bets that allow betting on more than one combination for a $1 like the box (3 or 6 straight bets for $1), front (10 straight bets for $1), back, outside pairs, or sums (between 1 and 75 straight bets for $1) in pick-3 games. Lotteries could use the same "win percentage" they get on pick-3 and pick-4 games (50%) and allow players to choose 10 numbers or get 10 QP numbers and they would get 252 combinations for $1. The payoffs could be $1000 for matching all 5 numbers, maybe $100 for matching 4, and get your buck back for matching 3.
Think

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Jun 29, 2008, 9:45 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 27, 2008
This would be in essence a side bet and cost another dollar.

It would have to be for a Pick 5 or only the top matrix of Powerball or Mega Millions, as it has to be an odd number to make a prepnderance.

Not sure what the payoff would be, nothing spectacular, maybe a litle beter than even money, maybe even money (or even less?), but the bet would be more evens or odds.

Another possible side bet would be predicting the exact swequence of evens and odds. Of course that would pay a lot better.

And for states like Illinois that use different colored balls, how about betting on the colors in sequence?

Just how much do you think something like that would pay?

The number of total patterns is 2^N where N is the number of balls drawn. So for a pick 5 game there would be 2^5 or 32 different even and odd patterns

2^1 = 2 half even and half odd or

E

O

2^2 = 4 Half even and half odd or

E E

E O

O E

O O

2^3 = 8 or

E E E

E E O

E O E

E O O

O E E

O E O

O O E

O O O

you get the idea 2^4 =16 with 8 evens followed by 8 odds in the left column and then 2^5= 32 with 16 Evens followed by 16 odds in the left column. So you get the Idea...basically an e/o pattern for a pick 5 would be 1 out of 32.

A pick 6 would have 64 patterns and a pick 7 would have 128
Coin Toss

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Jun 30, 2008, 1:07 am

Since the true odds on the pick 5 swould be 31 to 1 (by your example above) I figure "the house" being a lottery it would pay somewhere in the range of 8 to 15 to 1.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
Think

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Jun 30, 2008, 10:44 am

Note that 2^N would also apply to Up and Down so maybe on the Pick 3 and Pick 4 you could get your state to offer a "One Off" Option on Pick 3 and Pick 4.

It could either be a $1 option with 1/8 the normal prize on pick 3 and 1/16 the normal prize on

pick 4 or they could implement it as an $8 option on Pick 3 and a $16 option on pick 4.

Michigan offers Straight, Box, 2-Way, and Wheel bets on these games and maybe if enough people wrote them they would offer a "One Off" option also.

Eg if your number was 1 2 3 you could get paid when any or all of your numbers were one away from the number drawn
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Jun 30, 2008, 4:56 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Think on Jun 30, 2008
Note that 2^N would also apply to Up and Down so maybe on the Pick 3 and Pick 4 you could get your state to offer a "One Off" Option on Pick 3 and Pick 4.

It could either be a $1 option with 1/8 the normal prize on pick 3 and 1/16 the normal prize on

pick 4 or they could implement it as an $8 option on Pick 3 and a $16 option on pick 4.

Michigan offers Straight, Box, 2-Way, and Wheel bets on these games and maybe if enough people wrote them they would offer a "One Off" option also.

Eg if your number was 1 2 3 you could get paid when any or all of your numbers were one away from the number drawn

Most states had the "one off" option for years; it's called front pair, back pair, and outside pair and each bet pays $50 for $1. One number off like playing 123 and getting paid on 124, 122, 113, 133, 023, and 223 would have the same payoff as a 6-way box bet ($83 for $1) because it would be the same as playing 6 straight combinations for a buck. That bet could be made playing any lottery that offers 50 cent wagers and would cost $3 for a $250 payoff.

The average bet is probably $1 straight and $1 box and is why more creative betting options are not offered. A box bet is actually 3 or 6 straight bets for a dollar and the payoff is by dividing $500 by 3 or 6. A 6-way box should pay $83.33 and a 3-way should pay $166.66 but the lotteries keep the change and pay in even dollar amounts. Some states pay $80 and $160 and those states keep more than the change.

The bookies paid off at $600 to $1 so their payoffs always came out exact; $100 for a 6-way box and $200 for a 3-way.
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Jun 30, 2008, 8:51 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 30, 2008
Most states had the "one off" option for years; it's called front pair, back pair, and outside pair and each bet pays $50 for $1. One number off like playing 123 and getting paid on 124, 122, 113, 133, 023, and 223 would have the same payoff as a 6-way box bet ($83 for $1) because it would be the same as playing 6 straight combinations for a buck. That bet could be made playing any lottery that offers 50 cent wagers and would cost $3 for a $250 payoff.

The average bet is probably $1 straight and $1 box and is why more creative betting options are not offered. A box bet is actually 3 or 6 straight bets for a dollar and the payoff is by dividing $500 by 3 or 6. A 6-way box should pay $83.33 and a 3-way should pay $166.66 but the lotteries keep the change and pay in even dollar amounts. Some states pay $80 and $160 and those states keep more than the change.

The bookies paid off at $600 to $1 so their payoffs always came out exact; $100 for a 6-way box and $200 for a 3-way.

BUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wrong! Go back up and look at the Even and Odd patterns for 2^3 and you will see that there are 8 of them. Now if you substitute U for one number up and D for one number down you will see that you would be playing eight sets of numbers for a dollar and any or all numbers could be one up or one down from the numbers drawn and still win! it would be

$500/8 = 62.50 for a one dollar bet or

$5000/16 = 312.50 for a pick 4 one dollar bet.

Or if you paid 8 or 16 dollars you would win the full amount on a one off.

Of couse if you hit the original set of numbers on the original dollar bet you would win the full prize anyway but for a buck extra you could hedge.
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Jul 1, 2008, 3:33 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Think on Jun 30, 2008
BUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wrong! Go back up and look at the Even and Odd patterns for 2^3 and you will see that there are 8 of them. Now if you substitute U for one number up and D for one number down you will see that you would be playing eight sets of numbers for a dollar and any or all numbers could be one up or one down from the numbers drawn and still win! it would be

$500/8 = 62.50 for a one dollar bet or

$5000/16 = 312.50 for a pick 4 one dollar bet.

Or if you paid 8 or 16 dollars you would win the full amount on a one off.

Of couse if you hit the original set of numbers on the original dollar bet you would win the full prize anyway but for a buck extra you could hedge.

Divide $500 by how many straight number combinations there are in each of the 8 even/odd patterns; OOO has 111, 113, 115, 117, 119, etc. or 125 straight combinations. Doesn't $500/125 = $4?

Do you really think any lottery will pay you $62.50 for just betting a buck on all 8 possible patterns?
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Jul 1, 2008, 10:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 1, 2008
Divide $500 by how many straight number combinations there are in each of the 8 even/odd patterns; OOO has 111, 113, 115, 117, 119, etc. or 125 straight combinations. Doesn't $500/125 = $4?

Do you really think any lottery will pay you $62.50 for just betting a buck on all 8 possible patterns?

Aaaah I see you are suffering from cursor hypnosis!

Would you please carefully read the previous posts before answering? Thanks!

Now, if you play a pick 3 number for a dollar and hedge with one off for an extra buck then it works out to $62.50!!!
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Jul 2, 2008, 4:54 am

Quote: Originally posted by Think on Jul 1, 2008
Aaaah I see you are suffering from cursor hypnosis!

Would you please carefully read the previous posts before answering? Thanks!

Now, if you play a pick 3 number for a dollar and hedge with one off for an extra buck then it works out to $62.50!!!

"Go back up and look at the Even and Odd patterns for 2^3 and you will see that there are 8 of them."

I understand there are 8 even/odd patterns and 8 high/low too. But each pattern has 125 different straight combinations but that is not betting 8 numbers for a buck.

"Now if you substitute U for one number up and D for one number down you will see that you would be playing eight sets of numbers for a dollar and any or all numbers could be one up or one down from the numbers drawn and still win!"

You didn't say which one of the 5 odd or 5 even digits you substitute "U" and "D" with. It would have made more sense if you had just said "substitute U and D for all three digits in a combo like 123". Going one up and one down changes OEO to EOE, why even bring it up?

I think you want a bet on the play slip where you can put in a 3 digit number and check "one up and one down" and the machine will give you those 8 straight combinations.

You can create 8 combinations by adding and subtracting the digits from the previous drawing. V-tracs will give you 8 combinations and there are thousands of different ways to bet 8 different straight combinations. I can play 6 combos on one play slip so I suppose they could make the print smaller, add 2 more, and have 8 combos on one play slip. And maybe have two boxes; one where I can play them all straight for 12 1/2 cents each and one where you can box them all for a reduced payoff.

They could have a play slip where you could play all 125 OEO or all 125 HLH straight numbers so players could play each combo for $0.008 cents too. Hey those $3 wins add up and besides, stores always need change; we can pay for the ticket using nickels, dimes, and pennies.

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