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Harve$t Moon

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Jun 13, 2010, 9:36 pm

Are we as individual lottery players

irrelevant in the BIG lottery picture?

This huge worldwide industry has a mind

of its own. This is especially so in the USA.

Thanks for your replies.

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Jun 13, 2010, 10:05 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Harve$t Moon on Jun 13, 2010
Are we as individual lottery players

irrelevant in the BIG lottery picture?

This huge worldwide industry has a mind

of its own. This is especially so in the USA.

Thanks for your replies.

We could be if we all stop playing at the same time.
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Jun 13, 2010, 10:10 pm

It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if everyone stopped playing even for a week.

Would they lose money?
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Jun 13, 2010, 10:13 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Dollar419 on Jun 13, 2010
We could be if we all stop playing at the same time.

There is no "we" among lottery players unless they are playing in a pool. Chances are they still buy a few tickets on their own even if they are in a pool.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Jun 13, 2010, 10:13 pm

Quote: Originally posted by badboy00z on Jun 13, 2010
It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if everyone stopped playing even for a week.

Would they lose money?

That would be very interesting if it really did happen; they would lose some money; but not enough to go out of the lottery business.
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Jun 13, 2010, 10:16 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Harve$t Moon on Jun 13, 2010
Are we as individual lottery players

irrelevant in the BIG lottery picture?

This huge worldwide industry has a mind

of its own. This is especially so in the USA.

Thanks for your replies.

No, every dollar count in building up the jackpots. If they didn't, you wouldn't be able to play for a dollar.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Jun 13, 2010, 10:19 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Jun 13, 2010
There is no "we" among lottery players unless they are playing in a pool. Chances are they still buy a few tickets on their own even if they are in a pool.

I was speaking in terms of everyone; we, me, you, everyone that is an avid lottery player.
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Jun 13, 2010, 10:29 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Dollar419 on Jun 13, 2010
I was speaking in terms of everyone; we, me, you, everyone that is an avid lottery player.

I know you were, my point was I like many other lottery players don't pay any attention to the whims of others.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Jun 13, 2010, 11:56 pm

Getting people to act as a block concerning the lottery would be as hard as it would be in any arena of ideas.

The people on the left who want free stuff hate the people on the right who believe in personal responsibility.

The wishy-washy middle is apt to go in either direction depending on their mood and they ultimately decide everything.

So the only rational answer to the question is: Who knows?
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Jun 14, 2010, 9:10 am

Quote: Originally posted by Harve$t Moon on Jun 13, 2010
Are we as individual lottery players

irrelevant in the BIG lottery picture?

This huge worldwide industry has a mind

of its own. This is especially so in the USA.

Thanks for your replies.

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Quote: Originally posted by Dollar419 on Jun 13, 2010
We could be if we all stop playing at the same time.

That's why we are very, relevant, Very!!! No one can sell anything if they don't have clients, not even the Lottery!!

forget what "they" say about you. What you say about you?...

Now, does it count??

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Jun 14, 2010, 10:45 am

Here's my take on this deal. The lotteries could care less about how we feel regarding the way "THEY" run "THEIR" games. All they want is our participation i.e. our MONEY. That's it. They feed people all the mumbo jumbo about making it better for the players through better payouts and increased chances for winning.

Nothing could be farther from the truth and we all should know by now. We are relevant in that that THEY DO NEED OUR MONEY in order to function...PERIOD!! No players, no money and it's really that simple. This was partly covered in ridge-runner's topic as well. The problem with getting attention from the lotteries is that not near enough players will band together and NOT PLAY.

If you want to get rid of RNG (computer draw) then DON'T PLAY. If you want to get rid of all that pre-draw nonsense then DON'T PLAY. All that stuff is to the lotteries' advantage. Just think about it for a minute people. Why in the world do we need all these methods just to select (3) simple numbers? Why do they need to conduct as many as (5) pre-draws just to select (3) simple numbers?

All they really need to do is crank it up and let it go from one draw to the next. The RNG deal is rigged because it has to be programmed in order to select numbers, okay. The program must be told what to do and in what order to do it in order to run. That's not random!! Now, the ping pong balls floating around and being sucked up or dropped down one at a time is what it's really all about...and it doesn't require doing this process several times over before conducting an "official" draw.

You really have no clue to how much power you really have in this thing. You just don't use it because you keep "dancing to their music" which they know you'll continue to do. Why? Because they make you feel as if it's a privilege to play, and, that they're doing you a "favor" by having these games. They're OUR games, people.

Listen. The lottery is the BUSINESS and YOU'RE THE CUSTOMER...and the CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. NO CUSTOMER NO BUSINESS. If you want change then you better start acting on it.

L.L.
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Jun 14, 2010, 12:58 pm

Harve$t Moon,

This is a really profound question: Do we--you, me, and everyone who plays the lottery--really matter? As individuals, I don't think we matter in the big picture. If we lose, if we win, if we play, if we don't play, we're irrelevant. They will always be other players; they will always be other losers, they were always be other winners, etc. As in any pyramid (and yes, I used the analogy on purpose), the bottom level is just that--the bottom. And yet, on the other hand, the bottom is what hold up the top. We are relevant in the sense that we--or our money, to be more exact--are the mice that run the wheels that run the machinery. In California, because of the recession, there was a small dip in sales, and all of a sudden, there are all these game-plan changes to get people playng again. That change was brought about because of lottery players, but is hard because we lottery players are so individualistic. It's hard to combine our energy to influence the big picture. If we don't pay, someone else will play, etc.

Thanks for letting me rant!

Best,

GinkoStinko
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Jun 14, 2010, 12:59 pm

The lottery is the BUSINESS and YOU'RE THE CUSTOMER...and the CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. NO CUSTOMER NO BUSINESS.

You're only a customer as long as you're buying tickets. When you stop, you're not.

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Jun 14, 2010, 2:03 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Jun 14, 2010
The lottery is the BUSINESS and YOU'RE THE CUSTOMER...and the CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. NO CUSTOMER NO BUSINESS.

You're only a customer as long as you're buying tickets. When you stop, you're not.

Yeah, you're right...in the sense of no longer being a customer. What happens when there are no customers, or, a substantial DECREASE in customers? I'll tell you what happens. Revisions are made or the business goes under and it's been this way since the beginning of time.

The reality of this matter is based on what another poster just said previously. There will always be other players which out weigh the non-players which support some sort of reform. To this end, the lottery will never change anything due to those people who continue to still play. Hey, we all like the lotto games and the chance to win some good money, okay. Also, we like to support the games which benefit the states and organizations.

However, all of this non-sense with computers drawing numbers and tearing up the mechanical (real) machines with a dozen pre-draws is B.S. When it's all said and done, they don't care because the money is not being impacted at all. If a state's lotto revenue is impacted enough by not playing, they will listen and try to make things better and more fair...while still being able to make money.

Look at how these computer hackers go into countries and kill the power supply for a very short period of time. In that short period, businesses lose MILLIONS of dollars. Now, this is like apples and oranges but, you get the point I hope.

If HALF on an entire state, ANY STATE, didn't play any games for one day, there would be a definite loss...believe me. Look at how airlines, when shut down for only a day, lose big money.

The people have the power but, they're just not using it.

L.L.