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Jordans121

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Would you spend $150 for $75 profit if you could do it multiple times in a row? do you have guts or what it takes to bet like this?

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Jun 15, 2010, 5:17 am

Hi,

if it is a sure thing, i would not even hesitate to do it. A profit is a profit.

I usually play numbers using progression, meaning that the longer it takes before a number comes in, the lower the profit will be.
But i don't mind, since it is a profit.

For example, these 44 straight numbers are out for 268 draws, they have an average skip of approx. 23 draws.

018, 024, 064, 068, 094, 105, 109, 129, 135, 175, 179, 216, 246, 286, 327, 357, 397, 420, 438, 450, 468, 490, 509, 531, 549, 561, 579, 602, 642, 672, 713, 753, 783, 820, 824, 864, 870, 890, 894, 905, 931, 935, 975, 981

Using progression (i create it with a software tool), this results in :

Day	Amount/day	Total amount	Prize if hit	Result	Amount per Nbr
1	11	11	225	214	0,25
2	11	22	225	203	0,25
3	11	33	225	192	0,25
4	11	44	225	181	0,25
5	11	55	225	170	0,25
6	11	66	225	159	0,25
7	11	77	225	148	0,25
8	11	88	225	137	0,25
9	11	99	225	126	0,25
10	11	110	225	115	0,25
11	11	121	225	104	0,25
12	11	132	225	93	0,25
13	11	143	225	82	0,25
14	11	154	225	71	0,25
15	11	165	225	60	0,25
16	11	176	225	49	0,25
17	11	187	225	38	0,25
18	11	198	225	27	0,25
19	11	209	225	16	0,25
20	11	220	225	5	0,25
21	22	242	450	208	0,5
22	22	264	450	186	0,5
23	22	286	450	164	0,5
24	22	308	450	142	0,5
25	22	330	450	120	0,5
26	22	352	450	98	0,5
27	22	374	450	76	0,5
28	22	396	450	54	0,5
29	22	418	450	32	0,5
30	22	440	450	10	0,5

At $0.25 per number, this costs $11 per day.
If any of the numbers hit on the first day, you collect $225, with $11 played, the profit is $214.
If any of the numbers hit on the second day, you collect $225; with $22 played, the profit is $203
...
When none have hit at day 21, the wager is doubled (in this case, because it is not always doubled),
if it hits on the 21 day, you collect $450, with $242 played, the profit is $208,

and so on...

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Ricky

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Jun 15, 2010, 9:54 am

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jun 15, 2010
Would you spend $150 for $75 profit if you could do it multiple times in a row? do you have guts or what it takes to bet like this?

If you're talking about playing online, getting a $900 to $1 payoff, and playing 600 straight pick-3 numbers for a quarter, it's looks like an even bet. The odds are 3 to 2 in your favor and you lay $150 to make $75. However if you play 100 drawings the probable outcome is winning 60 times and 60 X $225 = $13,500 for a loss of $1500. You have to win at least 67 times to show a tiny profit.

"if you could do it multiple times in a row?"

Since the probability is you'll win 60 times out of 100, there will be many times when you win 3 or more times in a row. If you take advantage of the streaks by betting more when they occur, it's possible to show a nice profit by hitting less than 60 times. Overall if you bet the same amount every drawing, you'll lose.
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Jun 15, 2010, 10:59 am

It's like a sign of the times. I've discussed this method very extensively many times before now....and still use it when I really need it. It works, it produces the profit mentioned, and it will get you ahead very quickly. However, this is considered an "upside down profit" because it costs you more to win in relation to the payout but, the consistency is very good.

You'll need to win (2) draws to recover your initial investment of $150 and after that, you're actually generating $75 in "true profit." At $1 per number this profit turns into $300...for one hit. (600) numbers on a $900 payout just for reference.

You can progressive bet and once you reach $300 you can up the ante to .50 per number, which is accordingly those same (600) numbers but at half the price now. It only takes (4) wins, with progressive betting, to reach $1 per number and it's not hard if you're disciplined and play the right draws.

This is where players lose out...trying to play every single draw. Forget about all the ratios of 3 to 2 and playing hundreds of draws, okay. That's good information from Stack but, it doesn't matter when you only play the draws which you KNOW YOU CAN WIN. They exist, trust me.

Now, there's a down side to this method also. When you lose, you'll lose more than you've won in profit due to cost even though it's still consistent. This is why it's so important to only play when you've got the hit for sure...or at least a 90% chance of it.

Currently, I run no more than (450) numbers because this is the absolute maximum for keeping the profit to cost ratio at 1:1. What this means is that for every dollar I'm wagering, I'm also making a dollar...with the same method of approach. (450) divided by (4) = $112.50. This cost figure is exactly half of the payout at .25 per number which allows me to play the house "dollar for dollar" as mentioned above. At $1 per number $450 in profit is realized. It works very well and I love it!!

If you'll look around, you'll see where I've tried to introduce this but, it was to no avail and I got mocked for it. I have no problem being mocked when I can move this kind of money...and you can bet your last $1 on that.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:02 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jun 15, 2010
Would you spend $150 for $75 profit if you could do it multiple times in a row? do you have guts or what it takes to bet like this?

I'd like to address the second part of your question directly. Now, even if you're online betting at .25/number, $150 is a fair amount of money to wager. If you don't have that kind of money to lose in case of a mishap, I encourage you NOT TO DO IT. This kind of loss can add up very quickly which ultimately prevents the mass of players from even considering it.

Although it's a lot of numbers to cover even the most finicky of draws, it can still lose...and has. Patience and discipline play the biggest part here in getting ahead and recovering one's money. I've done it, won with it many, many times, and I've also lost with it. Due to the consistency of it, along with patience for the right hits, I stayed ahead. The key to playing this game the RIGHT WAY is to be SEASONAL.

Some draws are much easier to win than others and this is where playing a larger group of numbers really shines. There are many more ways to lose this game than there are to win it by natural design. It's your job to find the absolute EASIEST way to win it...and as often as possible. This is the ONLY way you'll get ahead of Pick 3.

You make the call. Is it worth a lower consistent profit to spend the money? This is what it boils down to.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:06 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Jun 15, 2010
I'd like to address the second part of your question directly. Now, even if you're online betting at .25/number, $150 is a fair amount of money to wager. If you don't have that kind of money to lose in case of a mishap, I encourage you NOT TO DO IT. This kind of loss can add up very quickly which ultimately prevents the mass of players from even considering it.

Although it's a lot of numbers to cover even the most finicky of draws, it can still lose...and has. Patience and discipline play the biggest part here in getting ahead and recovering one's money. I've done it, won with it many, many times, and I've also lost with it. Due to the consistency of it, along with patience for the right hits, I stayed ahead. The key to playing this game the RIGHT WAY is to be SEASONAL.

Some draws are much easier to win than others and this is where playing a larger group of numbers really shines. There are many more ways to lose this game than there are to win it by natural design. It's your job to find the absolute EASIEST way to win it...and as often as possible. This is the ONLY way you'll get ahead of Pick 3.

You make the call. Is it worth a lower consistent profit to spend the money? This is what it boils down to.

L.L.

Are you attempting to explain the pick 3 to me? thats weird.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:12 pm

I'm glad some people are interested in learning what they can use. However, for those who do not have the funds to pay for the Top strategy, I have a smaller strategy that should get you enough money to get the Top one.

For the record, I'm no good at creating websites so dont laugh when I finish it just input your info and get what you ordered.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:25 pm

Over the past year I built an excel sheet (no formulas) for IL. The problem was that the system was not consistent enough so I ended up creating it for every state (thanks to LOTSOFTPRO) so when one state does not work another one WILL. In my spreadsheet is MANY ways to analyze numbers from MY perspective. the system is built for players that have small budgets and large budgets ( choose yours). the more you spend the more you will make, vice versa. with my system you can win up to 4 times in a row. maybe more with a little luck and guts.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:27 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 15, 2010
If you're talking about playing online, getting a $900 to $1 payoff, and playing 600 straight pick-3 numbers for a quarter, it's looks like an even bet. The odds are 3 to 2 in your favor and you lay $150 to make $75. However if you play 100 drawings the probable outcome is winning 60 times and 60 X $225 = $13,500 for a loss of $1500. You have to win at least 67 times to show a tiny profit.

"if you could do it multiple times in a row?"

Since the probability is you'll win 60 times out of 100, there will be many times when you win 3 or more times in a row. If you take advantage of the streaks by betting more when they occur, it's possible to show a nice profit by hitting less than 60 times. Overall if you bet the same amount every drawing, you'll lose.

You think you know but you dont.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:39 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jun 15, 2010
I'm glad some people are interested in learning what they can use. However, for those who do not have the funds to pay for the Top strategy, I have a smaller strategy that should get you enough money to get the Top one.

For the record, I'm no good at creating websites so dont laugh when I finish it just input your info and get what you ordered.

I certainly agree that it's much better to spend less to make more in profit, okay. But, when playing this game, the player must find a method and combine that with a "balancing act" of a reasonable set of numbers by which to play that method.

This is a numbers game based on total possibilities to produce a specific hit and the more combinations one can afford to play, the "right way" within reason, the better. I never said my method is best but, I know that it works...and it's consistent. It also costs me to play.

I see lots of methods here which can work so much better but, they require more "complimenting" combinations. That's it. When I first started betting "big" money, I was afraid to lose...and I did lose. After this happens a couple or so times and you learn what not to do and then begin winning that money back, you're no longer afraid to lose.

Timing is the key to any system, Jordans. I don't play every draw, not even everyday. I hunt and when I see my kill, I take my time, aim, and squeeze. One shot, one kill 'till the same kill presents itself again. Simple.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:45 pm

...I thought my old buddy would have at least responded to me by now. Guess not, though. Oh, well.

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Jun 15, 2010, 12:52 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jun 15, 2010
Would you spend $150 for $75 profit if you could do it multiple times in a row? do you have guts or what it takes to bet like this?

no more than $50 for a $1000 win, $150 is 15 numbers times 10 it better payout at least $2000,which can be done easily...

Relax,Bigdaddy has your number

turning $30 or less into thousands everyday!!

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Jun 15, 2010, 5:47 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jun 15, 2010
You think you know but you dont.

I never said I "know" what you're doing and just gave an example of a 60-40 method since you provided zero information on your method.
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Jun 15, 2010, 6:13 pm

talk the talk,

but walk the walk...

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Jun 15, 2010, 6:34 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Jun 15, 2010
It's like a sign of the times. I've discussed this method very extensively many times before now....and still use it when I really need it. It works, it produces the profit mentioned, and it will get you ahead very quickly. However, this is considered an "upside down profit" because it costs you more to win in relation to the payout but, the consistency is very good.

You'll need to win (2) draws to recover your initial investment of $150 and after that, you're actually generating $75 in "true profit." At $1 per number this profit turns into $300...for one hit. (600) numbers on a $900 payout just for reference.

You can progressive bet and once you reach $300 you can up the ante to .50 per number, which is accordingly those same (600) numbers but at half the price now. It only takes (4) wins, with progressive betting, to reach $1 per number and it's not hard if you're disciplined and play the right draws.

This is where players lose out...trying to play every single draw. Forget about all the ratios of 3 to 2 and playing hundreds of draws, okay. That's good information from Stack but, it doesn't matter when you only play the draws which you KNOW YOU CAN WIN. They exist, trust me.

Now, there's a down side to this method also. When you lose, you'll lose more than you've won in profit due to cost even though it's still consistent. This is why it's so important to only play when you've got the hit for sure...or at least a 90% chance of it.

Currently, I run no more than (450) numbers because this is the absolute maximum for keeping the profit to cost ratio at 1:1. What this means is that for every dollar I'm wagering, I'm also making a dollar...with the same method of approach. (450) divided by (4) = $112.50. This cost figure is exactly half of the payout at .25 per number which allows me to play the house "dollar for dollar" as mentioned above. At $1 per number $450 in profit is realized. It works very well and I love it!!

If you'll look around, you'll see where I've tried to introduce this but, it was to no avail and I got mocked for it. I have no problem being mocked when I can move this kind of money...and you can bet your last $1 on that.

L.L.

I was wondering how you did playing that method and actually did some research into finding groups of 600 numbers that consistently averaged four out of five hits.

"Currently, I run no more than (450) numbers because this is the absolute maximum for keeping the profit to cost ratio at 1:1."

By "reinvesting" the winnings twice you can get $7 to $1; not bad for an almost even money bet.

"If you'll look around, you'll see where I've tried to introduce this but, it was to no avail and I got mocked for it."

Once I fully understood what you were doing, I saw the benefit. But in this thread we're asked if we have the guts to put up $150 to win $75 with the only method information being they added numbers to an Excel spreadsheet. [yawn]

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