Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered

May 29, 2011, 12:14 am (1,632 comments)

New York Lottery

A self-confessed atheist has become a believer after mocking God by sarcastically praying for his mother to win the lottery.

However, his joke prayer was amazingly answered as the next day his mother won $1 million on the New York Lottery Sweet Million game.

Sal Bentivegna, 28, who did not previously believe in God, had sarcastically asked his mother to "ask your God for a million dollars".

However, his mother Gloria Bentivegna, follows the Catholic faith, and staying true to her belief refused to ask God for such a thing.

Taking his joke further, Sal then prayed out aloud saying, "God, I don't know if you're real or not, but if you are there, please let my mother win a million dollars."

He added, "If Jesus wants me to believe in him, that's what he'll do".

The following day his mother bought a "Lotto Tree" of unscratched instant win tickets from her Church's charity auction. Sal was then left absolutely stunned when he found out his mother had won a million.

Realizing that the odds of his mother winning were so farfetched, Sal has now become a firm believer.

He testified, "I can't shrug off that Jesus had a hand in it."

"No pun intended, but it was a Godsend," he said.

Gloria Bentivegna, reflecting on what had happened, is thankful to God for her winnings, but even more thankful for her son's conversion. She said: "'God performed two miracles, a true miracle."

By winning New York's Sweet Million game, Gloria Bentivegna will now receive $50,000 every year for the next 20 years.

Christian Post

Comments

sully16's avatarsully16

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Now thats wassup!

But something tells me that not everybody who challenges God like that can be a millionare. If it was possible I would say that prayer every 6 months lol

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Great story, God bless her.

wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Congrats to the Bentivegna family! Mother and son are both winners!

TigerAngel's avatarTigerAngel

Oh I love this story!! It's called putting a fleece before the Lord!!

CrazyHazyYay!'s avatarCrazyHazyYay!

Hmm... Well I thought the bible contained numerous verses that pertained to testing God, and that it pissed Him off... Hopefully this reborn christian will beg for forgiveness once he learns.

Or perhaps ever since this world has gone to crap, God decided that He needs to let His presence be known so this plane of debauchery that we call earth can finally adopt some sanity... it is getting awfully close to that 2012 phenomenon...

And I don't mean to force any religious views or beliefs onto any of y'all, for I am a self-proclaimed agnostic, or as my father would say: "half-assed christian." In a "glass is half empty" sort of way...

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

ok ill give this a go :P

time*treat's avatartime*treat

If she'd won without buying tickets, then it'd be impressive.

eddessaknight's avatareddessaknight

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on May 29, 2011

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I Agree!

Ask and it shall be answered...... sometimes yes and sometimes no !

Congrats, let's keep on asking >>>>>

EddessaKnight Sun Smiley

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

My kind of story....love it...They both got blessed!!!!

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Skeptical  hmmmph !! ....... I wonder what he'd of said if she hadn't of won all that money Skeptical 

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

"Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, ‘Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.’"

RL

LottoAce's avatarLottoAce

Its hard to say anything good about this story. I don't like when atheist temp God to bend to
their will by preforming stupid little parlor tricks. just to prove his existence. "if there is a God he'll knock
this glass of water right off the table" or the college professor who claimed that there was no God
and that if there was; he would come knock him off his podium. how much more arrogant can the human race become? He is the Supreme Being and has nothing to prove to you or me. now I can't answer why
this woman won the lottery; but I can say that a million bucks is nothing compared to spending eternity
knowing that your son is in eternal <snip>ation. maybe, he has become a believer I hope so. but he
better quit throwing his little temper tantrums like a 5 year old and start taking our heavenly Father
serious and start showing him a little respect!

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dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

I love stories like this........

Isaiah 61:7 "Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs." The mother got 2 blessings her son becoming a believer  and $1 million dollars.........

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

Yeah I waited for like an hour for this story to be told on TV (that is why I dislike watching news on TV...they give it to you as it suits them and not you).  I was thinking it was an online game jackpot win. Yes, $50K per year for the next 20 years is nice dough (of course, after taxes she is not a millionaire), but this would have been more impressive had it actually been an online game in which she had picked numbers like 1, 2, 3, 54, 55, and 1 for MB/PB...a highly unlikely combination to win and she won it.  Now of course, the numbers I choose are hypothetical, but if anyone wants to play them, go ahead as I don't have a patent on that combination (just joking!!!).

Nice story but I think in the end, the fact his mom won still hasn't made him a "hallelujah, jumpin' for Jesus, praise you Jesus" kind of guy.  I mean, if God were to bless me to win either Mega Millions or Powerball, I would make it a point to step into a church every Sunday (or a given day of the week if I couldn't do so on a Sunday) just to worship HIM and give thanks.  Until then, I will remain critical of how many pastors present the Bible seemingly for their own gain at the expense of the followers.

petergrfn

You shouldn't "Mock" GOD.  Maybe the lord is trying to tell this guy something?   Prayer is a powerfull thing.....maybe the lord did let him win to give him a message......  Interesting Story!Blue Angel

joker17

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

Mario38

Silly story.

If one prays to win a jackpot and it does not come true, that does not prove god does not exist.

But if it does come true, then god does exist?

Flawed logic!

JPJohnson

So God only answers mock prayers?

buttercake's avatarbuttercake

The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for.

 

Congrats to his mother

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

maybe

maybe not

i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this within that man's life in order to get his attention.   i have personally been a witness to these scenario's many times in my lifetime,  so i know He does.

i also see the value when He doesn't

but......the difference in a man's heart determines what God does at times,  and because God knows the heart of each man,  He knew that sal bentivegna would make good on his end of the challenge,  so God chose to do it.

the key to this isn't a $1,000,000

the key is that sal bentivegna made good on what sal's heart was saying all along.  long before sal spoke those words

that he WANTED to know God.   not that he wanted to excuse him away.

if the real condition of sal's heart was only to consistently excuse him away,  sal would have mirrored your response.

sal just made a new discovery.  i won't take long for sal to realize a million dollars is inconsequential in comparison to the treasure he now has

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Quote: Originally posted by hearsetrax on May 29, 2011

Skeptical  hmmmph !! ....... I wonder what he'd of said if she hadn't of won all that money Skeptical 

Presumably whatever he has said these past few years; that have felt as a 'thorn in his mother's side' each time.  Perhaps he's a very verbal sort of fella, very common.  The same thoughts. Skeptical

jimmy4164

I bet there is an increase today in the number of mothers receiving phone calls from their sons asking if they won the lottery.  I wonder how many will get the response they want to hear?  Smiley

TruthSerum

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Quote: Originally posted by TruthSerum on May 29, 2011

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

LOL @ TruthSerum........ what an air head

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by TruthSerum on May 29, 2011

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

TruthSerum, you say there are 38,000 Christian denominations. Add to that the thousands of other religions and picking the correct one is like a Pick 4 game.

The last time I compared religion to a lottery, my post was deleted. I think it was god's will.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 29, 2011

maybe

maybe not

i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this within that man's life in order to get his attention.   i have personally been a witness to these scenario's many times in my lifetime,  so i know He does.

i also see the value when He doesn't

but......the difference in a man's heart determines what God does at times,  and because God knows the heart of each man,  He knew that sal bentivegna would make good on his end of the challenge,  so God chose to do it.

the key to this isn't a $1,000,000

the key is that sal bentivegna made good on what sal's heart was saying all along.  long before sal spoke those words

that he WANTED to know God.   not that he wanted to excuse him away.

if the real condition of sal's heart was only to consistently excuse him away,  sal would have mirrored your response.

sal just made a new discovery.  i won't take long for sal to realize a million dollars is inconsequential in comparison to the treasure he now has

I love how you know what God is thinking and why he does things.....and that's IF God even exists. You religious folks are too much.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by TruthSerum on May 29, 2011

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

Thank GOD someone finally gets it here on the LP. I've been saying this forever.

20,000 kids die everyday from malnutrition and/or disease, but God answered this guy's prayer.....

There are too many gullible folks on this planet fighting and killing each other over who's God is right. And to this day, in the 21st century, folks still believe in this old stuff that is so outdated, it boggles my mind.

I just can't wait to see the next football team that huddles and prays to win the game. I'm sure God's priority for the team to win is much higher than saving those 8 million kids that croak at an early age every year.....

You're absolutely right. The folks who actually believe this are delusional and need serious mental evaluation. It's scary...

Looney tunes man...looney tunes...Crazy

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

Thank GOD someone finally gets it here on the LP. I've been saying this forever.

20,000 kids die everyday from malnutrition and/or disease, but God answered this guy's prayer.....

There are too many gullible folks on this planet fighting and killing each other over who's God is right. And to this day, in the 21st century, folks still believe in this old stuff that is so outdated, it boggles my mind.

I just can't wait to see the next football team that huddles and prays to win the game. I'm sure God's priority for the team to win is much higher than saving those 8 million kids that croak at an early age every year.....

You're absolutely right. The folks who actually believe this are delusional and need serious mental evaluation. It's scary...

Looney tunes man...looney tunes...Crazy

Wow, look who's preachin' now.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

rdgrnr,

You must meet non-believers in different places than I do.  I don't know any hateful ones personally.  I know some that become impatient with the flawed logic that believers often rely on.  And yes, there are some who will sometimes be less than generous when joking about certain beliefs they view as silly.  Hateful?  It's not my experience.  This doesn't mean there are not hateful non-believers.  I'm sure there are atheist serial killers and rapists.  It just doesn't fit the profile of what I believe are the majority of non-believers.

By the way, there is no logical way that I know of to disprove the mother and son's claim that his prayer was the "cause" of her winning, no more than the failure of his prayer would have disproved the existence of god.  Consequently, the son was probably not a true atheist, because, in and of itself, the event that occurred would not have been sufficient evidence to make believers out of any non-believers I know.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

 

--Jimmy4164

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

Non of the non-believers on this forum have made a hateful comment towards any other member on this forum.

On the other hand......

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

Wow, look who's preachin' now.

What part of anything I wrote was false?

Fact: 20,000 kids die everyday

Fact: Religions of all sorts, not just Christianity create wars that only produce mayhem, suffering, and death.

Fact: Anyone who believes that their religion is superior to the other tens of thousands of religions, sects, denominations, Deities, and so on, needs to be evaluated. Sorry If that sounds harsh, but I believe you wrote that unbelievers were gutless cowards.

Hey Ridge, you may think I'm picking on Christianity, but I'm not. Organized religion is the culprit. I don't care If they believe in the Pet rock as their God. The problem starts when the Pet rock religious group wants to kill his Human kind over it. Or less violently like telling kids they're going to burn in hell If they don't assimilate, and then mutilate their genitals. Isn't that child abuse?

Why not show them every religion so they can have enough time, like I did, to see the red flags and decide for themselves? That's not too much to ask is it?

Then If they did their homework, they may see that it's impossible for every religion to be correct, therefore....BING BING BING BING BING BING BING.....The bells start ringing....and a lightbulb goes off......hopefully....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 30, 2011

rdgrnr,

You must meet non-believers in different places than I do.  I don't know any hateful ones personally.  I know some that become impatient with the flawed logic that believers often rely on.  And yes, there are some who will sometimes be less than generous when joking about certain beliefs they view as silly.  Hateful?  It's not my experience.  This doesn't mean there are not hateful non-believers.  I'm sure there are atheist serial killers and rapists.  It just doesn't fit the profile of what I believe are the majority of non-believers.

By the way, there is no logical way that I know of to disprove the mother and son's claim that his prayer was the "cause" of her winning, no more than the failure of his prayer would have disproved the existence of god.  Consequently, the son was probably not a true atheist, because, in and of itself, the event that occurred would not have been sufficient evidence to make believers out of any non-believers I know.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

 

--Jimmy4164

Doesn't matter to me what "your experience" is.

The mother and son story here has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

The story simply provided the opening for the same tired old hateful BS from the few regular desperate losers here.

All someone has to do is mention God or faith or religion or praying and the same gutless coward losers are out here telling them how stupid they are.

And they prefer when it's women.

That's when they really get tough.

Like I said:

Gutless Cowards.

Every Last One of Them.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I'll get back to you later, you little mindless pipsqueak.

Shine my shoes while you're waiting..

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

I'll get back to you later, you little mindless pipsqueak.

Shine my shoes while you're waiting..

Another hateful comment.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Doesn't matter to me what "your experience" is.

The mother and son story here has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

The story simply provided the opening for the same tired old hateful BS from the few regular desperate losers here.

All someone has to do is mention God or faith or religion or praying and the same gutless coward losers are out here telling them how stupid they are.

And they prefer when it's women.

That's when they really get tough.

Like I said:

Gutless Cowards.

Every Last One of Them.

Talk about hate....My MY.....Where's your compassion? Didn't Christ say to "turn the other cheek"?

You say that anytime anyone mentions God or religion, the few A-holes (Gutless cowards) (Losers) chime in.

It's funny to me when a someone here on the LP posts a system or any other idea, the folks come out of the woodwork and challenge the validity of the system. They want and demand PROOF......YES Proof....Hmmmmmmm.....

But if it deals with religion or God, then it's ok, no need for anything.....no proof, no common sense, no nothing. Afterall, It was written in a book thousands of years ago, and there are multitudes who've believed this for a very very long time, so it must be true.!!!!

Why does everything else in life demand validity, but religion always gets a free ride?....Why?...So maybe next time you may want to specifically address the issues I bring up, and stop with the blanket statement, that already tired statement about gutless cowards. I believe you're a coward for not addressing the issues I bring up, and gutlessly hiding behind your blanket statements.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

What part of anything I wrote was false?

Fact: 20,000 kids die everyday

Fact: Religions of all sorts, not just Christianity create wars that only produce mayhem, suffering, and death.

Fact: Anyone who believes that their religion is superior to the other tens of thousands of religions, sects, denominations, Deities, and so on, needs to be evaluated. Sorry If that sounds harsh, but I believe you wrote that unbelievers were gutless cowards.

Hey Ridge, you may think I'm picking on Christianity, but I'm not. Organized religion is the culprit. I don't care If they believe in the Pet rock as their God. The problem starts when the Pet rock religious group wants to kill his Human kind over it. Or less violently like telling kids they're going to burn in hell If they don't assimilate, and then mutilate their genitals. Isn't that child abuse?

Why not show them every religion so they can have enough time, like I did, to see the red flags and decide for themselves? That's not too much to ask is it?

Then If they did their homework, they may see that it's impossible for every religion to be correct, therefore....BING BING BING BING BING BING BING.....The bells start ringing....and a lightbulb goes off......hopefully....

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Another hateful comment.

Not hateful, little guy.

You're just kinda stupid.

That's why you follow joker around like a lost puppy.

Nobody takes you serious, just go away.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

Another very hateful comment.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Another very hateful comment.

And another brilliant comeback.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

Lottery Post rules:

Criticize ideas, not people.  Flaming will not be tolerated.  This includes any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Lottery Post rules:

Criticize ideas, not people.  Flaming will not be tolerated.  This includes any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.

Boy, you're lucky there's no rules against being stupid, ain'tcha?

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Boy, you're lucky there's no rules against being stupid, ain'tcha?

Amazing. I remind you about the Lottery Post rules and you actually break the rules in your response. Truly amazing response.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

You know what, I really don't care if this gets deleted. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I never beat any women. I came to the U.S. when I was 7. I joined the U.S. Navy when I was 17 in an 11 month delayed entry program that earned me a stripe even before i actually went to bootcamp and left after 4 years with an honorable discharge, and will show my DD-214 If I have to. You don't know me from Adam and you lump me in with those crazy religious Iranian nutcases. Yes...THEY are religious nutcases. I"M NOT...!

You keep saying...."MY PEOPLE"....They're not my people. I'm a U.S. Citizen who loves the U.S. and proud to be living here you RACIST!........ and every right to express my opinion. Ridge, you sound like the type who sounds racist and likes to suppress free speech. 

You need help.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Amazing. I remind you about the Lottery Post rules and you actually break the rules in your response. Truly amazing response.

What are you doing here?

Shouldn't you be sniffing joker's rear end?

joker17

I blocked you from responding because you're too brainwashed to argue with. It's like a Geologist arguing with a flat-Earth believer. it simply won't work.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You know what, I really don't care if this gets deleted. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I never beat any women. I came to the U.S. when I was 7. I joined the U.S. Navy when I was 17 in an 11 month delayed entry program that earned me a stripe even before i actually went to bootcamp and left after 4 years with an honorable discharge, and will show my DD-214 If I have to. You don't know me from Adam and you lump me in with those crazy religious Iranian nutcases. Yes...THEY are religious nutcases. I"M NOT...!

You keep saying...."MY PEOPLE"....They're not my people. I'm a U.S. Citizen who loves the U.S. and proud to be living here you RACIST!........ and every right to express my opinion. Ridge, you sound like the type who sounds racist and likes to suppress free speech. 

You need help.

Ah, the race card. I don't even know what race you are and you call me a racist.

You say you're a proud US citizen, then why don't you stop persecuting people for expressing their freedom of religion?

My ancestors came here to escape from people like you!

And now we're supposed to put up with it and let it start here?

UH-UH, NO WAY!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Ah, the race card. I don't even know what race you are and you call me a racist.

You say you're a proud US citizen, then why don't you stop persecuting people for expressing their freedom of religion?

My ancestors came here to escape from people like you!

And now we're supposed to put up with it and let it start here?

UH-UH, NO WAY!

It's not a race card, it's a fact. You lumped me in with the crazy Iranian strong armed husbands who are ubiquitous in Iran. That's not me. I've eaten plenty of apple pies and driven a few Chevys in my lfe. I play rock guitar (or at least I think i do), relishing in the American lifestyle. You've got me pegged wrong dude. Ridge, I don't hate you as a person. I don't hate anyone that doesn't agree with my thoughts. I present my ideas whether I agree or disagree because I live in a country where i can.

You keep saying persecuting...what?.....So because i disagree with a thread about a guy's mom winning a million by some force, makes me a persecutor?....Are you schmidting me?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

It's not a race card, it's a fact. You lumped me in with the crazy Iranian strong armed husbands who are ubiquitous in Iran. That's not me. I've eaten plenty of apple pies and driven a few Chevys in my lfe. I play rock guitar (or at least I think i do), relishing in the American lifestyle. You've got me pegged wrong dude. Ridge, I don't hate you as a person. I don't hate anyone that doesn't agree with my thoughts. I present my ideas whether I agree or disagree because I live in a country where i can.

You keep saying persecuting...what?.....So because i disagree with a thread about a guy's mom winning a million by some force, makes me a persecutor?....Are you schmidting me?

Yeah, you're a regular Opie Taylor, I'm sure.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

Tell me how long a Christian would last trying that crap in the place you came here from? He'd have his head lopped off on day one.

Respect is the name of the game.

It's all about respect.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, you're a regular Opie Taylor, I'm sure.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

Tell me how long a Christian would last trying that crap in the place you came here from? He'd have his head lopped off on day one.

Respect is the name of the game.

It's all about respect.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

 

Oh, I didn't know there was a limit on ideas. Ok, why don't you tell me what I can say and can't say Ridge. Hmmmm that sounds like a dictatorship....

The best part of what you wrote above was about how long a Christian would last "WHERE I CAME FROM"....hee hee....You made my point about the religious nutcases all over the world.

I won't mention the persecution of the scientists hundreds of years ago who were forced by the Catholic church to denounce that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that many many stars and planets were out there. They either got burned alive, or imprisoned until their will was not strong enough, so they recounted everything they wrote in order to live.

Yeah, you're right Ridge, RESPECT is the key.....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

 

Oh, I didn't know there was a limit on ideas. Ok, why don't you tell me what I can say and can't say Ridge. Hmmmm that sounds like a dictatorship....

The best part of what you wrote above was about how long a Christian would last "WHERE I CAME FROM"....hee hee....You made my point about the religious nutcases all over the world.

I won't mention the persecution of the scientists hundreds of years ago who were forced by the Catholic church to denounce that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that many many stars and planets were out there. They either got burned alive, or imprisoned until their will was not strong enough, so they recounted everything they wrote in order to live.

Yeah, you're right Ridge, RESPECT is the key.....

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

Go to the website I gave you for irrefutable, documented evidence.

And again, after checking that out, tell me how important it is to mock and ridicule women in these forums for mentioning they prayed to somebody.

Do you not have the cojones to fight the real religious threat - your people?

These American Christian women aren't demanding you or anyone else join them in prayer or worship their God like your people do.

Why not go straighten out your people first?

Fight the real enemy.

Or are you a you-know-what?  (Gutless Coward)

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

Go to the website I gave you for irrefutable, documented evidence.

And again, after checking that out, tell me how important it is to mock and ridicule women in these forums for mentioning they prayed to somebody.

Do you not have the cojones to fight the real religious threat - your people?

These American Christian women aren't demanding you or anyone else join them in prayer or worship their God like your people do.

Why not go straighten out your people first?

Fight the real enemy.

Or are you a you-know-what?  (Gutless Coward)

My people?.....I don't belong to any tribe.

Oy vey, this is getting silly...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

My people?.....I don't belong to any tribe.

Oy vey, this is getting silly...

Wow, now you're using slang from another religious group you'd like to wipe off the face of the earth.

joker17

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

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OK, I guess we at least agree on something. Religioous fanatics can cause harm.

The common thread of all religions is "LOVE". Let's harp on that instead of HATE....

I can express what's on my mind, and so can you. See how simple that is? No persecution, just difference of opinion.

Now that's freedom......US Flag

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Wow, now you're using slang from another religious group you'd like to wipe off the face of the earth.

Disagreeing with another belief doesn't constitute wiping the people off the face of the Earth in my book. Those are your words, not mine.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

--------------------------------------------------------------

OK, I guess we at least agree on something. Religioous fanatics can cause harm.

The common thread of all religions is "LOVE". Let's harp on that instead of HATE....

I can express what's on my mind, and so can you. See how simple that is? No persecution, just difference of opinion.

Now that's freedom......US Flag

Yeah, religious fanatics can cause harm.

Little old ladies praying to St Christopher or whoever for a lottery win ain't causing anybody any harm.

Leave em alone.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, religious fanatics can cause harm.

Little old ladies praying to St Christopher or whoever for a lottery win ain't causing anybody any harm.

Leave em alone.

Define...'Leave them alone"..

Since when were you appointed to filter what somone replies with on a thread? Do I have to now ask you permission on what i can say and can't say?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Disagreeing with another belief doesn't constitute wiping the people off the face of the Earth in my book. Those are your words, not mine.

My words? Read the news much?

Your leader, Ahmadinejad, said those exact words about Israel.

He said they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

That's your guy.

joker17

For your information Ridge, I reply to all threads on this site, some i agree, some i don't. I don't ONLY jump into religious threads to annoy Christians. I was hoping I didn't have to explain such a trivial point, but i guess i have to.

Unlike you, I'm not biased. Religion doesn't get a free ride. Everything to me is subject to scrutiny.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

My words? Read the news much?

Your leader, Ahmadinejad, said those exact words about Israel.

He said they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

That's your guy.

He's not my leader. Get that thru your thick head.

Now you're starting to sound like an idiot.....Hit With Stick

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Define...'Leave them alone"..

Since when were you appointed to filter what somone replies with on a thread? Do I have to now ask you permission on what i can say and can't say?

American men have a long standing tradition of protecting women.

You wouldn't understand.

And we know that if we don't defend our rights (like freedom of religion) we'll lose them to know-it-alls like you.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

He's not my leader. Get that thru your thick head.

Now you're starting to sound like an idiot.....Hit With Stick

What are you getting indignant about?

You said they were my words.

I just told you whose words they were.

And that's the truth.

It was the President of the place you were born.

He got a standing ovation when he said it, by the way, in front of a crowd of your people.

Funny how you haven't said you disagree with what he said.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

What are you getting indignant about?

You said they were my words.

I just told you whose words they were.

And that's the truth.

It was the President of the place you were born.

He got a standing ovation when he said it, by the way, in front of a crowd of your people.

Funny how you haven't said you disagree with what he said.

I haven't disagreed with what the President of iran said?....

Now I know for a fact you don't have a flying clue where I'm coming from.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

I haven't disagreed with what the President of iran said?....

Now I know for a fact you don't have a flying clue where I'm coming from.

So you'll stand with me and the Israelis against him?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

American men have a long standing tradition of protecting women.

You wouldn't understand.

And we know that if we don't defend our rights (like freedom of religion) we'll lose them to know-it-alls like you.

What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? I've never been married. Are you ok man?

You'll never lose your right to defend your religion, as long as you give others the same opportunity to disagree.

What part of this don't you understand?.....or are you gonna go on another rant about Husbands and wives?

What?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

So you'll stand with me and the Israelis against him?

Well of course I agree. The Iranians are just as crazy to think Israel should be wiped off the map as any other religious group who thinks the same. Again, I'm not biased. Wrong is wrong and it comes in many shapes and sizes, religions, groups, countries, ideals, and so on.

joker17

Just because I was born in a country who's moral boundries are dictated by some religious fanatical idealism, does not automatically become written in stone to someone who was born there and left. Get with the program.

Here i am spending so much time telling you I'm against radical ideas that are debatable at best, and all you can do is label me without anyhting to back it up. Not to mention the fact that you've systematically avoided just about every point I brought up earlier in this thread.

Oh well, I have to go to work tomorrow.

Ridge, I wish you the best in your endeavors. Have a good night.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? I've never been married. Are you ok man?

You'll never lose your right to defend your religion, as long as you give others the same opportunity to disagree.

What part of this don't you understand?.....or are you gonna go on another rant about Husbands and wives?

What?

"What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? "

I already told you in the 2nd sentence: "You wouldn't understand".

Our culture cherishes, loves, respects, defends and protects women.

 

Your culture beats and abuses women and treats them like slaves and property.

It's not your fault. That's what your people do. That's your culture.

 

I never said you couldn't disagree about anything. But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

People pray, people believe in what they want. They don't come here to hear you preach about how stupid they are for their religious beliefs.

Who appointed you the religious police? Do you want a stick to beat the women on the street like they do in your home country?

Get over it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

"What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? "

I already told you in the 2nd sentence: "You wouldn't understand".

Our culture cherishes, loves, respects, defends and protects women.

 

Your culture beats and abuses women and treats them like slaves and property.

It's not your fault. That's what your people do. That's your culture.

 

I never said you couldn't disagree about anything. But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

People pray, people believe in what they want. They don't come here to hear you preach about how stupid they are for their religious beliefs.

Who appointed you the religious police? Do you want a stick to beat the women on the street like they do in your home country?

Get over it.

But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

 

Because this is the Lotterypost, and just like i respond to other threads on this site, I have the right to respond to this one as well. You call it "Attacks", I call it a response.

You like making me repeat myself over and over don't you?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

 

Because this is the Lotterypost, and just like i respond to other threads on this site, I have the right to respond to this one as well. You call it "Attacks", I call it a response.

You like making me repeat myself over and over don't you?

You can call it whatever you want.

You know what it is and so does everybody else.

Your hatred for Christianity is palpable, visceral and seething.

Give the rest of the sleeper cell my best.

majest

The beginning. Its just hard for people to understand/overstand. For religous folks and non believers alike. Trying to tame anothers ego may prove to be a difficult task, yet alone trying to tame ones own. If only you could use/go beyond your five basic senses(which you probably can)you would know the truth for yourself. Don't think id waste 'energy' trying to convince or convert a 'non believer' or 'athiest'. If 'GOD' aka 'highest/higher intelligence' aka 'divine consciousness' hasn't revealed itself to certain people, maybe they are just not ready, or maybe they are not meant to have such forces within or around them, it can be powerful on both ends. I don't know, but im pretty sure it probably has, they just wearn't paying attention, or ignored/deny it all together. Its a big universe. You are not forced to believe anything. Every 'religion' has truth and fallacies. It would be far too easy if it were all truth, or all false anyway. You must seek, with intention. 'Religion' was probably to be created for a kind of moral guidline, but of course it quickly became of political gain, and a lot of time is still used as such. But thats not to say that there isn't any truths within them. Im pretty sure that a lot of religious texts have been re-written plenty over the years by, who knows. But id like to think that 'GOD' aka 'divine will/source/energy' transcends religion, groups, time, space, etc. I also heard that 'GOD' is also a/The master scientist/mathmetician/architech. Thats kinda cool too also.


Whats crazy is that he says he was 'mocking', but anyone who truly doesn't have any faith, or belief in God or in a Higher Power wouldn't even bother making a prayer, 'mocking' or not. So either deep down he really wanted to believe, or their was already a small bit of faith within him that did believe. That mustard seed. I don't know.
But I don't see why its such a big deal that 'HE' believes that Divine Intervention played a part? they are the ones that won the prize/jackpot! Its his/their life. Why try to deny them that?


The only sad part about non-believers/athiest or whatever you want to title it, is that they don't allow themselves to see/experience the beauty or joy of a miracle. A lot of times they seem pessimistic in general, not just limited to these topics. They also deny to realize that 'Athiesm' is also 'religion' or a 'religion'.  **perspective**.   But with that being said, I don't like to devulge/divulge or opinionate too much about such matters or subject. Not really into debates. Plus I have lotteries to win :)    At the end of the day, most people want to be right for agenda or for ego sake, or to satisfy ones own ego if you will, even the so called experts and geniuses of the world. It probably takes more than just 'following' a religion, attending a church or reading texts also. But what do I know, this is not the gospel, its just an opinion. The End

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

You can call it whatever you want.

You know what it is and so does everybody else.

Your hatred for Christianity is palpable, visceral and seething.

Give the rest of the sleeper cell my best.

Just like Ghandi once said..."I'd probably be a Christian, If it weren't for Christians".

People like you give Christianity a bad name.

naijaman

Right...God got involved in making this woman win the lottery...smh.

Msbgentle

Quote: Originally posted by LottoAce on May 29, 2011

Its hard to say anything good about this story. I don't like when atheist temp God to bend to
their will by preforming stupid little parlor tricks. just to prove his existence. "if there is a God he'll knock
this glass of water right off the table" or the college professor who claimed that there was no God
and that if there was; he would come knock him off his podium. how much more arrogant can the human race become? He is the Supreme Being and has nothing to prove to you or me. now I can't answer why
this woman won the lottery; but I can say that a million bucks is nothing compared to spending eternity
knowing that your son is in eternal <snip>ation. maybe, he has become a believer I hope so. but he
better quit throwing his little temper tantrums like a 5 year old and start taking our heavenly Father
serious and start showing him a little respect!

This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

This story is good because the mother refused to ask God to let her win the lottery as her son commanded.  This proves her faith is unyielding--she knows it's God's power to do with what He wills and not hers to command God to use His power to her will.  The son should remember this lesson when someone challenges him the same way he challenged his mother.  I would say that God got the check mate on the son.

MillionsWanted's avatarMillionsWanted

That's just stupid. Luck happens everywhere.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Just like Ghandi once said..."I'd probably be a Christian, If it weren't for Christians".

People like you give Christianity a bad name.

Yeah, we're despicable people, chopping off people's heads and blowing up innocent men women and children EVERY DAY.

Us despicable low down dirty Christians.

How could anyone blame you for hating us?

 

You gutless, spineless coward.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Skeptical is it me or did the IQ of this fine forum just drop a thousand IQ points

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Quote: Originally posted by hearsetrax on May 30, 2011

Skeptical is it me or did the IQ of this fine forum just drop a thousand IQ points

Yeah, I noticed that too as soon as you walked in.

CashWinner$

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

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Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

Thanks Cash, good answer. But actually any answer is a good answer because we have freedom of religion.

You can give the atheist point of view and it'll be fine but just don't mention God or prayer or especially the name Jesus here because a certain person from a foreign country doesn't allow it without ridicule.

And he has a legion of personal butt-sniffers to back him up.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, we're despicable people, chopping off people's heads and blowing up innocent men women and children EVERY DAY.

Us despicable low down dirty Christians.

How could anyone blame you for hating us?

 

You gutless, spineless coward.

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Thanks Cash, good answer. But actually any answer is a good answer because we have freedom of religion.

You can give the atheist point of view and it'll be fine but just don't mention God or prayer or especially the name Jesus here because a certain person from a foreign country doesn't allow it without ridicule.

And he has a legion of personal butt-sniffers to back him up.

Ridge, you are nothing short of a big fat racist loser!...go eff yourself.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ridge, you are nothing short of a big fat racist loser!...go eff yourself.

I'm starting to understand now.

I can see a lot of Ahmadinejad in you.

He's an emotional litte midget too. He likes to end his speeches in hysterical tirades just like you and Hitler.

The nut didn't roll far from the bush.

 

You're still my favorite stinky little midget cab driver with a Napoleonic Complex though.

I picture you with a big Napoleon hat on and like Yosemite Sam running around screaming for attention and the hat covering everything but your feet, lol. LOL

Don't worry little guy, someday, somewhere, somehow, somebody will listen to you.

Maybe you could take a vacation back home and beat a few women to relax and unwind in the meantime.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

Yeah, that made a lot of sense. You said that it's better to have your head chopped off than worry about going to Heaven or Hell.

OK then, that's fine, for you.

The rest of us will go our own way if you don't mind.

How about that?

Or do we still have to follow your beliefs or be subjected to your ridicule?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

I'm starting to understand now.

I can see a lot of Ahmadinejad in you.

He's an emotional litte midget too. He likes to end his speeches in hysterical tirades just like you and Hitler.

The nut didn't roll far from the bush.

 

You're still my favorite stinky little midget cab driver with a Napoleonic Complex though.

I picture you with a big Napoleon hat on and like Yosemite Sam running around screaming for attention and the hat covering everything but your feet, lol. LOL

Don't worry little guy, someday, somewhere, somehow, somebody will listen to you.

Maybe you could take a vacation back home and beat a few women to relax and unwind in the meantime.

You will never understand me because you don't even understand yourself or reality. You're in La la land believing in fairytales. You don't like to hear the truth becuase it hurts to know what an idiot you are. Who cares, keep deluding yourself...

TheGameGrl's avatarTheGameGrl

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

Thank you cashWinner for your well versed and educated view point. I certainly get where you are coming from.

Hope you get a chance to see the goodness that does exist in some of the forums....Welcome to LotteryPost

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, that made a lot of sense. You said that it's better to have your head chopped off than worry about going to Heaven or Hell.

OK then, that's fine, for you.

The rest of us will go our own way if you don't mind.

How about that?

Or do we still have to follow your beliefs or be subjected to your ridicule?

I've got a great idea, why don't you simply block me, then you won't have to be persecuted as you rediculously state. You won't be able to see anything I post. Until you do that, you'll have to butch up and deal with it. The world doesn't revolve around you...

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by TheGameGrl on May 30, 2011

Thank you cashWinner for your well versed and educated view point. I certainly get where you are coming from.

Hope you get a chance to see the goodness that does exist in some of the forums....Welcome to LotteryPost

Well thank you, TheGameGrl!

I enjoy LP very much..... :-) $ (-:

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

I've got a great idea, why don't you simply block me, then you won't have to be persecuted as you rediculously state. You won't be able to see anything I post. Until you do that, you'll have to butch up and deal with it. The world doesn't revolve around you...

Sorry little ayatollah, I ain't sticking my head in the sand so you can come to my country and push people around and tell them what they can or can't believe in.

Go abuse women in your own country.

And take a bath once in a while.

It's an old American tradition.

Learn it, live it, love it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Sorry little ayatollah, I ain't sticking my head in the sand so you can come to my country and push people around and tell them what they can or can't believe in.

Go abuse women in your own country.

And take a bath once in a while.

It's an old American tradition.

Learn it, live it, love it.

Sorry to break the news to you, but you already have your head up your ass you racist dumbass.

naijaman

This is quite entertaining....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Sorry to break the news to you, but you already have your head up your ass you racist dumbass.

Racist?

I told you to take a bath.

I'm a bathist!

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by naijaman on May 30, 2011

This is quite entertaining....

Agreed..

Both members have some valid points..when they are dissected from the name-calling and vitriol.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

Agreed..

Both members have some valid points..when they are dissected from the name-calling and vitriol.

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

Ah Jeeeze, were you the classroom tattle tale too?

Figures.

Teacher! Teacher!

Ridge Runner has moonshine in his desk!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

Ridge Runner called me and mario names!      LOL Green laugh

CashWinner$

LOL - You guys are killin me.......Smile

I better head off to Zzzzz'Land (gotta watch the "news" first)

Thanks for a good night everyone!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

LOL - You guys are killin me.......Smile

I better head off to Zzzzz'Land (gotta watch the "news" first)

Thanks for a good night everyone!

Good night Cash.

Sleep tight.

Pick3forSC's avatarPick3forSC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

I Agree!      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

There are worse things to ruin impressionable young minds with. In this day and age something is needed

to make impressions on young minds especially when the world has become such a hostile, hateful, hurtful

place for so many of them.

Why not have a God to turn to? I believe in God and no one will make me believe any different, if they

did it would be satan himself. The father of lies and uncertainty. Satan is the one responsible for doubt

and rejection of God by humankind. We've read what you think about God...do you believe in satan?

God has been a source of strength, hope and faith for many people. He will continue to be too.

Why try to convince them there is no God? Why get so angry when one wants to believe there is a God?

I think your first post to this thread was something along the lines of Coincidence..and that's it. It is said

that: with God all things are possible...who knows why he chooses to answer some and ignore others.

Who knows why suffering is allowed to happen around the world? I sure do not but I'm not going to

question why He allows it or why He won't put a stop to it. I won't challenge God. There are enough

people in the world challenging him..if he took on all of the challenges presented, he would be no differ-

ent than man himself. His power, mystery and greatness would be greatly taken for granted and consi-

dered void because man feels the need to understand and control what is not understood and not able

to be controlled. Man needs to know all mysteries, understand all powers and take charge of what is

not thiers to control. Man diminshes and degrades things. God is very smart to ignore some prayers

and disregard most challenges. He allowed the atheist an answer...we will never know why, we can

guess but only God knows why and that's good enough for most of us, the rest of us can just go on

believing it's coincidence...even the coldest, smallest hearts and minds can change. This is where With

God, all things are possible fits in again.

Joker are you atheist or agnostic?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

Thanks jimmy. This forum needs more people like you. On second thought, this world needs more people like you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

I'd suggest you block me then if your delicate sensibilities are so offended, Nancy.

Wouldn't want you to have a nervous nellie fit, now would we?

Pick3forSC's avatarPick3forSC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

I'd suggest you block me then if your delicate sensibilities are so offended, Nancy.

Wouldn't want you to have a nervous nellie fit, now would we?

That's the smartest thing i've ever heard you say on here. Think i'll go block you right now. Go kill a squirrel & EFF yourself with it you crack head hillbilly!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Pick3forSC on May 31, 2011

I Agree!      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

Ahhh, someone with a brain and can think for themselves....BRAVO !

Thumbs Up

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on May 31, 2011

There are worse things to ruin impressionable young minds with. In this day and age something is needed

to make impressions on young minds especially when the world has become such a hostile, hateful, hurtful

place for so many of them.

Why not have a God to turn to? I believe in God and no one will make me believe any different, if they

did it would be satan himself. The father of lies and uncertainty. Satan is the one responsible for doubt

and rejection of God by humankind. We've read what you think about God...do you believe in satan?

God has been a source of strength, hope and faith for many people. He will continue to be too.

Why try to convince them there is no God? Why get so angry when one wants to believe there is a God?

I think your first post to this thread was something along the lines of Coincidence..and that's it. It is said

that: with God all things are possible...who knows why he chooses to answer some and ignore others.

Who knows why suffering is allowed to happen around the world? I sure do not but I'm not going to

question why He allows it or why He won't put a stop to it. I won't challenge God. There are enough

people in the world challenging him..if he took on all of the challenges presented, he would be no differ-

ent than man himself. His power, mystery and greatness would be greatly taken for granted and consi-

dered void because man feels the need to understand and control what is not understood and not able

to be controlled. Man needs to know all mysteries, understand all powers and take charge of what is

not thiers to control. Man diminshes and degrades things. God is very smart to ignore some prayers

and disregard most challenges. He allowed the atheist an answer...we will never know why, we can

guess but only God knows why and that's good enough for most of us, the rest of us can just go on

believing it's coincidence...even the coldest, smallest hearts and minds can change. This is where With

God, all things are possible fits in again.

Joker are you atheist or agnostic?

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

You hit the nail on the head. I'm persecuting Christians because I stated it was a coincidence.  Talk about censorship.

So as long as I nod my head in agreement with everything Ridge says regarding religion, then it's all fine and dandy. His world is complete.

That's looney tunes 101 in my book.

Like I said before, Ridge gives real Christians who can tolerate opposing beliefs a bad name. Shame on you Ridge....and you call yourself a Christian.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on May 31, 2011

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws. 

Him and his ass kissers may get me banned from here as they're trying to do but I'll tell you one thing:

I don't get pushed around by anybody.

Not you, not him, nobody.

Believe that.

You're all a bunch of gutless cowards.

And here's the sad part: You know it.

ttech10's avatarttech10

I wanted make a comment in here but with the war going on I'm not sure how it'd go. I'll just throw out there that it's impossible to win an argument about religion with someone who is an atheist and you're not, and vice versa, so there's no point in it. There's better things to do.

 

I'll just say congrats to this guys mom for winning. Course if we bring CASH Only back I'm sure he'll say it's a curse because it's annual payments so she'll surely be $5 million in the red within a week (or whatever crazy thoughts he had that came with winning annuities).

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

To quote none other than youreself joker,

OH THE IRONY:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217837

PS,

Shalom.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on May 31, 2011

To quote none other than youreself joker,

OH THE IRONY:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217837

PS,

Shalom.

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Green laugh

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Pick3forSC on May 31, 2011

That's the smartest thing i've ever heard you say on here. Think i'll go block you right now. Go kill a squirrel & EFF yourself with it you crack head hillbilly!

Hey Joker! Drop trou! One of your ass sniffers is here!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 31, 2011

Thanks jimmy. This forum needs more people like you. On second thought, this world needs more people like you.

I knew it.

You don't like girls, do you?

It's ok little guy, everybody is welcome here.

Are you a high-fashion hair stylist by any chance?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Pick3forSC on May 31, 2011

I Agree!      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

Uh... Dude... uh, nobody was trying to convince you.

It's only if you mention Christianity in a positive light that a little midget in a big Napoleon hat will come out of a dust cloud like the Tasmanian Devil hysterically screaming bloody murder to make sure you never do it again. All you would see is this BIG NAPOLEON HAT and a little tiny pair of feet sticking out from under it running around in circles and screaming like a banshee.

You have no worries though. He would approve of your religious views and would not assault you for them.

You're safe.

Thank God for that.

Whoops!

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Green laugh

You've made serious posts?

Scared

Green laugh

 

(Just trying to lighten things up)

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Green laugh

You seem to be in a better mood.

I told you you'd feel better after you took a bath!

Now, that wasn't so bad was it?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on May 31, 2011

You've made serious posts?

Scared

Green laugh

 

(Just trying to lighten things up)

You just gave me a brilliant idea. Thanx...

Maybe if i ignore him, he'll go away. It's pointless to argue with someone who is convinced I'm a midget cab driver from Iran who likes to beat women and stinks because I don't take showers. Many times I've reiterated that I'm a very clean person who  was in The Navy, and got out with an honorable discharge ( have dd-214 to prove it) and love this country. I'm disciplined to take showers on a regular basis.

 I take a bath on a regular basis, sometimes twice a day because it's so hot here in Florida. I'm not a midget, I'm 5 foot 7, not tall, but definitely not a midget. I'm a cab driver, but to get the job, you have to take a piss test, and have a backround check done.

 I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy.....all because i stated at the start of this thread that I thought it was coincidence. How anyone can come to that conclusion based on an opposing belief is beyond my understanding.

So does this mean that all German agnostics are Nazis who beat their women and don't take baths?....Someone please explain this lunacy to me.....please..............Green laugh

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

You just gave me a brilliant idea. Thanx...

Maybe if i ignore him, he'll go away. It's pointless to argue with someone who is convinced I'm a midget cab driver from Iran who likes to beat women and stinks because I don't take showers. Many times I've reiterated that I'm a very clean person who  was in The Navy, and got out with an honorable discharge ( have dd-214 to prove it) and love this country. I'm disciplined to take showers on a regular basis.

 I take a bath on a regular basis, sometimes twice a day because it's so hot here in Florida. I'm not a midget, I'm 5 foot 7, not tall, but definitely not a midget. I'm a cab driver, but to get the job, you have to take a piss test, and have a backround check done.

 I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy.....all because i stated at the start of this thread that I thought it was coincidence. How anyone can come to that conclusion based on an opposing belief is beyond my understanding.

So does this mean that all German agnostics are Nazis who beat their women and don't take baths?....Someone please explain this lunacy to me.....please..............Green laugh

You can't change the spots though, can you leopard?

I don't go by one blurb here or there.

It's your modus operandi.

It's your track record.

You can't resist putting down anybody who expresses their faith in God or especially Christians who do. Why else would I have a problem with an inconsequential little nobody like you?

Let's look at something you said in the post above:

"I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeaopardy....."

Notice the little twerp doesn't say he doesn't beat women because it's wrong...

He says he doesn't beat women because "that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy"

So apparently, if his job wasn't jeopardized he could happily continue his homeland tradition of beating women.

 

But we are the ones that need to learn from him.Confused

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

Then stop lecturing us on our religious beliefs.

Just leave that one thing alone you insufferable, nasty, little geek.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

You can't change the spots though, can you leopard?

I don't go by one blurb here or there.

It's your modus operandi.

It's your track record.

You can't resist putting down anybody who expresses their faith in God or especially Christians who do. Why else would I have a problem with an inconsequential little nobody like you?

Let's look at something you said in the post above:

"I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeaopardy....."

Notice the little twerp doesn't say he doesn't beat women because it's wrong...

He says he doesn't beat women because "that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy"

So apparently, if his job wasn't jeopardized he could happily continue his homeland tradition of beating women.

 

But we are the ones that need to learn from him.Confused

Do you folks see how this worm twists my words to benefit his rediculous agenda?

So now Ridge, the Psychologist is reading into my word phrasing and his analyzation is that I'm really a woman beater because I never said outright, that I think it's wrong.

Are you kidding me?

Is this the best you got?

Nevermind eluding the myriad of IMPORTANT issues I brought up early in the thread, which of course led to more middle eastern racist remarks.

You're impossible to have a decent healthy debate about anything it seems.

I got your Modus operandi......Get a life!

Celephane wrap has more intelligence...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

Then stop lecturing us on our religious beliefs.

Just leave that one thing alone you insufferable, nasty, little geek.

I'll let you know when I'm done. Stick around to find out when.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

Do you folks see how this worm twists my words to benefit his rediculous agenda?

So now Ridge, the Psychologist is reading into my word phrasing and his analyzation is that I'm really a woman beater because I never said outright, that I think it's wrong.

Are you kidding me?

Is this the best you got?

Nevermind eluding the myriad of IMPORTANT issues I brought up early in the thread, which of course led to more middle eastern racist remarks.

You're impossible to have a decent healthy debate about anything it seems.

I got your Modus operandi......Get a life!

Celephane wrap has more intelligence...

I didn't twist your words, you lying little coward.

I quoted you.

It's all there in black and white and it doesn't take a detective to see what your mindset is, pal.

You don't have to tell anybody what to think.

Busted.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

I didn't twist your words, you lying little coward.

I quoted you.

It's all there in black and white and it doesn't take a detective to see what your mindset is, pal.

You don't have to tell anybody what to think.

Busted.

You forgot the words midget, wife beater....and stinky.....

You're slacking Ridge....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

You forgot the words midget, wife beater....and stinky.....

You're slacking Ridge....

As I've said countless times before - I never repeat myself.

wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Can I have my 5 stars back?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

This fits perfect in here.

Fairy Tales

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

Fairytales???

I have sat on the floor with Saudi Princes, who in their best whites and headwear
served rice on a platter adorned with ground meat turd-like things. We ate with
our right hands from the same plate. They asked me if I was a Christian. I said
“yes”. They pointed out that I and they had a father in Abraham. “Yes, he is
the father of those who believe the promises of God”.

Their heritage was out of Ishmael, while mine as a former gentile was through Jesus Christ.

When I left, they wanted to know if I could hook them up with any  blond
girlfriends I had. They were all redheads.

They observe a lunar month. As did the Jews

They have the crescent moon and star that was taught by Daniel while in captivity to
the predecessors of the magi as to the astronomical observation that would
herald the Savior. Rev 12:1 ( The
constellation Virgo at sunset as seen in the west), as did the Jews.

They expect a redeemer, as did the Jews.

Ishmael wanted to claim the promise that was not his and made his own schism/following,
mirroring the Judean faith. Now they also have their own book of verse.

Even the cursive languages share a common source.

The sons of Ishmael always persecuted the sons of Israel and do so today.

So ‘fairytales’ is the pot calling the kettle black. There is no mistake I have
the same father in Abraham, but I come from the promise side of the family and
not the bondwoman. Sarah believed God too, Hebrews 11:11. Ishmael was the
poster child for a whole culture based on false entitlement; a divine right.

The sons of Ishmael’s redeemer will not be the same cornerstone rejected by the Jews.
He will be more like the capstone on the back of a dollar bill. The counterfeit
religion and culture of the sons of Ishmael has many parallels to biblical record and Judean culture -
not fairytales. They are immersed in
fairytales. Oh, and they expect Christ to return too. There is always a
sprinkling of truth with the lie.

Their new imam will be the King of worldly kings. He will have a genetic claim to the
lineage of Abraham and the throne of the world. There is only one family that claims blood lineage to Christ and ultimately,
Abraham. They claim as all Caesars do, divine right to rule by. Divine entitlemant.

In the country is the last sword of Rome’s Caesar, and it bears a legend. In the
country is a pagan temple whose holiest place and floor is made from the temples
of conquest; even Rome will again yield because the act of overthrow is to tear down
all temples of the defeated to build anew, one. One new religion; that of the King.  Of the two candidates (always
have a back-up) One has the surname of Arthur and the Other, David. What sounds
better, King Arthur or King David? To whom is not the honor of the Kingdom
given? Daniel 11:21 How about one last medieval crusade while negotiating world
peace?

The carefully vetted breeding has ended. The key vessel is dead and the new vessel
is not in the keeping of the lineage to sire a fairytale to come true. The last
to bear the name Arthur has been born. With all the tension about 2012, what do
you think the purpose is?  The Olympics? What new order will be the product of chaos? How does
Camelot sound? You know, political perfection served with whirled peas?

Joker,
you are not expected to be able to discern the difference between truth and a
fairytale. You cannot know the truth and you cannot handle it. The Diaspora
exists and are a secret remnant. There are only 144,000 of the true and elect
that will be found and protected in a future day. They are all of the bloodline
and are not fakes or children of false entitlement. These elect will not be
fooled by the worldly Messiah or Imam (who will have a right eye lost, a withered
hand and have a fierce countenance [ugly] from the assassination attempt).

Be careful for what you wish, many heads will roll and the blood will run to the
sea. Some sweet child is being vetted to go way past the dark side, but whoever it is, they go it alone.

You must choose, but choose wisely. The aliens you worship as advanced beings do
not exist. That is a fairytale. That is very pathetic even though you struggle for answers.

The god you are pissed at is not the true God, but somehow you think it is. You were set-up and knocked down.

DD

Feadogger

Before I air my opinions I'll go ahead and insult myself and save anyone else here the trouble, since everybody seems so worked up.  Call me a "Why Can't We All Get Along Girl" or maybe the "Peacenik" but I have to add my 2 cents.

I find it quite fascinating but distressing that so many people get so vitriolic becuase of this story.  So many different types of people win lottery money - they vary in their morality, their religion, their occupation or lack thereof.  I remember something about a convicted sex offender winning a lottery whose proceeds went to sex abuse victims, and numerous stories about people with criminal pasts who have won.  But I don't recall people getting in such high dudgeon about those stories as they are for this one.

Here's my way of fitting this news story and all previous lottery winners into a worldview:

For those who believe in a supreme being:  God doesn't spend all His time making our decision for us or influencing the variables in life (like controlling the lottery), but chooses to intervene in peoples lives in any way He sees fit, right?  We're not supposed to try and predict and understand it all.  Take the Hippocratic approach to airing beliefs . . . above all do no harm.

For those who don't believe in a supreme being, or believe in one that's different from the other people:  The driving *psychological* force behind desire for a specific religion is the need to belong to an ingroup, along with strong mortality salience.  Believing that you can live on in other ways staves off the looming fear of death, and having a guideline to live your life by saves one the agony of figuring out how to behave - religions define that for you in many ways.  Each of us has our own way of coping with those psychological drives, and religion is one that a lot of people rely on.  Other people "live on" by having family legacies, personal accomplishments, living in the moment and not thinking about the inevitability of death.  Some people try and figure out how to behave by following the patterns of their parents or friends or even a celebrity (gah) rather than a religion.  It doesn't make any of these people, religious or nonreligious delusional, it makes them human and psychologically predictable.  Why demean anyone for just being human?

And lastly, I would like to say that before you criticize anyone, you should walk a mile in his shoes.  That way, if he gets angry, you will be a mile away and he will be barefoot.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 31, 2011

Fairytales???

I have sat on the floor with Saudi Princes, who in their best whites and headwear
served rice on a platter adorned with ground meat turd-like things. We ate with
our right hands from the same plate. They asked me if I was a Christian. I said
“yes”. They pointed out that I and they had a father in Abraham. “Yes, he is
the father of those who believe the promises of God”.

Their heritage was out of Ishmael, while mine as a former gentile was through Jesus Christ.

When I left, they wanted to know if I could hook them up with any  blond
girlfriends I had. They were all redheads.

They observe a lunar month. As did the Jews

They have the crescent moon and star that was taught by Daniel while in captivity to
the predecessors of the magi as to the astronomical observation that would
herald the Savior. Rev 12:1 ( The
constellation Virgo at sunset as seen in the west), as did the Jews.

They expect a redeemer, as did the Jews.

Ishmael wanted to claim the promise that was not his and made his own schism/following,
mirroring the Judean faith. Now they also have their own book of verse.

Even the cursive languages share a common source.

The sons of Ishmael always persecuted the sons of Israel and do so today.

So ‘fairytales’ is the pot calling the kettle black. There is no mistake I have
the same father in Abraham, but I come from the promise side of the family and
not the bondwoman. Sarah believed God too, Hebrews 11:11. Ishmael was the
poster child for a whole culture based on false entitlement; a divine right.

The sons of Ishmael’s redeemer will not be the same cornerstone rejected by the Jews.
He will be more like the capstone on the back of a dollar bill. The counterfeit
religion and culture of the sons of Ishmael has many parallels to biblical record and Judean culture -
not fairytales. They are immersed in
fairytales. Oh, and they expect Christ to return too. There is always a
sprinkling of truth with the lie.

Their new imam will be the King of worldly kings. He will have a genetic claim to the
lineage of Abraham and the throne of the world. There is only one family that claims blood lineage to Christ and ultimately,
Abraham. They claim as all Caesars do, divine right to rule by. Divine entitlemant.

In the country is the last sword of Rome’s Caesar, and it bears a legend. In the
country is a pagan temple whose holiest place and floor is made from the temples
of conquest; even Rome will again yield because the act of overthrow is to tear down
all temples of the defeated to build anew, one. One new religion; that of the King.  Of the two candidates (always
have a back-up) One has the surname of Arthur and the Other, David. What sounds
better, King Arthur or King David? To whom is not the honor of the Kingdom
given? Daniel 11:21 How about one last medieval crusade while negotiating world
peace?

The carefully vetted breeding has ended. The key vessel is dead and the new vessel
is not in the keeping of the lineage to sire a fairytale to come true. The last
to bear the name Arthur has been born. With all the tension about 2012, what do
you think the purpose is?  The Olympics? What new order will be the product of chaos? How does
Camelot sound? You know, political perfection served with whirled peas?

Joker,
you are not expected to be able to discern the difference between truth and a
fairytale. You cannot know the truth and you cannot handle it. The Diaspora
exists and are a secret remnant. There are only 144,000 of the true and elect
that will be found and protected in a future day. They are all of the bloodline
and are not fakes or children of false entitlement. These elect will not be
fooled by the worldly Messiah or Imam (who will have a right eye lost, a withered
hand and have a fierce countenance [ugly] from the assassination attempt).

Be careful for what you wish, many heads will roll and the blood will run to the
sea. Some sweet child is being vetted to go way past the dark side, but whoever it is, they go it alone.

You must choose, but choose wisely. The aliens you worship as advanced beings do
not exist. That is a fairytale. That is very pathetic even though you struggle for answers.

The god you are pissed at is not the true God, but somehow you think it is. You were set-up and knocked down.

DD

The Bible is nothing but Plagiarism. Spend some time to do an objective research and you'll find that many religions before Christianity had the exact same stories as in the Bible.

Crazy

CrazyHazyYay!'s avatarCrazyHazyYay!

Hey guys. I have a question for the Christians, but first allow me to divulge in my background for the sake of context. I used to be an active member in my Presbyterian community, attending church retreats twice a year without fail, going on mission trips out of the country to spread the gospel, but have since seen the evils in this world that really made me doubt there is a God out there protecting the innocent. I am now an agnostic, and I must say I find myself depressed more than I should be, given the blessings I've received. I want to believe in God and have that relationship with Him, but I cannot pray with a clear mind and heart no longer. The reality of this world causes too much grief for me to accept the mandates of the Bible. Anyway, my mother is a devout Christian for as long as I can remember. She attends early morning prayer almost every day. She has used her income to build a church and help refugees from religion intolerant nations such as North Korea and parts of China. She is a counselor at this "Spiritual Training" program that apparently helped a lot of people come to peace with God, despite their painful pasts. And yet, her getting cancer was part of "God's plan." She was diagnosed this past Friday, and has since been stricken with fear and sadness. I went to church the following Sunday and prayed for the first time in YEARS, asking God to heal this terminal illness. As I am praying, going through my mother's good deeds in the name of God, and letting it justify God curing her, I find myself becoming angry. According to the good book, EVERYTHING is God's will. Therefore, using my mother as a vessel for His deeds was part of the plan, and so was her getting cancer. I just found it hard to ask Him to cure her cancer, when it was God that gave it to her in the first place. Whether it's the lack of innocence that I possessed as a child, or just the realities of places like Africa and Mexico that I've seen firsthand, I just don't have peace with God anymore. And I yearn for it... Can someone please provide some insight?

Kidzmom's avatarKidzmom

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on May 29, 2011

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I Agree!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

good job,  ridge

much obliged  Thumbs Up

SmoothJuice

I don't get it.  Gambling is a sin.  Lotto is gambling.   Only a crooked church would allow gambling.

jimmy4164

CrazyHazyYay,

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--Jimmy4164

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 31, 2011

whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

good job,  ridge

much obliged  Thumbs Up

I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....

jimmy4164

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by CrazyHazyYay! on May 31, 2011

Hey guys. I have a question for the Christians, but first allow me to divulge in my background for the sake of context. I used to be an active member in my Presbyterian community, attending church retreats twice a year without fail, going on mission trips out of the country to spread the gospel, but have since seen the evils in this world that really made me doubt there is a God out there protecting the innocent. I am now an agnostic, and I must say I find myself depressed more than I should be, given the blessings I've received. I want to believe in God and have that relationship with Him, but I cannot pray with a clear mind and heart no longer. The reality of this world causes too much grief for me to accept the mandates of the Bible. Anyway, my mother is a devout Christian for as long as I can remember. She attends early morning prayer almost every day. She has used her income to build a church and help refugees from religion intolerant nations such as North Korea and parts of China. She is a counselor at this "Spiritual Training" program that apparently helped a lot of people come to peace with God, despite their painful pasts. And yet, her getting cancer was part of "God's plan." She was diagnosed this past Friday, and has since been stricken with fear and sadness. I went to church the following Sunday and prayed for the first time in YEARS, asking God to heal this terminal illness. As I am praying, going through my mother's good deeds in the name of God, and letting it justify God curing her, I find myself becoming angry. According to the good book, EVERYTHING is God's will. Therefore, using my mother as a vessel for His deeds was part of the plan, and so was her getting cancer. I just found it hard to ask Him to cure her cancer, when it was God that gave it to her in the first place. Whether it's the lack of innocence that I possessed as a child, or just the realities of places like Africa and Mexico that I've seen firsthand, I just don't have peace with God anymore. And I yearn for it... Can someone please provide some insight?

There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
their will for you?

You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
(the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                          The trinity

                   Jesus Christ is God

                   The dead are alive

Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
It is like Burger King out there.

You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
in you, the hope of glory.

See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

John
8:32

DD

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....

"it started with a peaceful discourse".

 not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

  just do it with respect.

you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

"but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

 anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

"but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

 i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

  i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

 

You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

and he also loves people like you.

You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 31, 2011

There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
their will for you?

You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
(the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                          The trinity

                   Jesus Christ is God

                   The dead are alive

Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
It is like Burger King out there.

You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
in you, the hope of glory.

See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

John
8:32

DD

"People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up"

 none? 

 you mean like the 4,000+ years of predated / eyewitness history even prior to the life of Christ,  that spoke specifically who He would be (God, who comes in the flesh,  and takes on the sin of the world Himself)  ?

i see,  and now whoever reads your cult inspired rambling see's also,  that you depart from historical Christianity like an ego driven bullet train.

meander all you feel the need to,  but i will take historical Christianity for a $1000, alex.

 the scriptures have taught shortly right after their inception ----->  that God would eventually come in the flesh,  and since we have eyewitness accounts of His coming,  and the subsequent fulfillment of all He said He would do,  historical Christianity will always trump whatever cult version of it you have highjacked for personal wish list.

good as you are with semantics and wishful thinking,  even you can't stretch armstrong true recorded history into something different.

most people can't counter your meanderings.  i get that. 

 unfortunately you were right about people entrusting their beliefs to anothers description of what they think it is.

but me,  i am armed with history.   already recorded history.  all i need to do is repeat it,  then allow it to stand alone on it's on merit,  and anyone with a nuetral intellect can tell that recorded history stated "it" would visit it's creation,  and when "it" did,   humanity eyewitnessed THAT,  and recorded it.

now the question is....did recorded history really portend that,  and did people really watch it flesh itself out?

getting back to the people / opinion validation process,  i got to thinking a simple litmus test of DD being an "expert" in true history is easily sampled.

not that any of us are perfect,  and facts stand alone apart from the ability of a man to mirror them,  but one glaring fact about DD,  is that DD doesn't "mirror" what he portends is "true" at all.

look at the guys track record just in here.    the guys behavior descends so fast,  it speeds past his "belief" long before he can defend it.

one thing i noticed that's insulting to his supposed "Christian beliefs",  is his consistent verbage about what he has to say about women.

thinks their "open season",  sexually speaking.   talks about them as if there he suffers memory loss about what his beliefs say about sexual purity and mores from a biblical perspective.

when i look for validation of anything,  i don't look for perfection,  but i do look for consistentcy,  and DD consistently heads in the other direction of "consistentcy".

does that truth make DD's ramblings "untrue"?    not in and of itself,  no. 

but.........it does highlight the fact that you cannot trust a person for "truth",  if they cannot mirror a large portion of it themselves.

nope,  true history replicated truthfully was DD's undoing.

DD just made the obvious more......obvious

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 1, 2011

truecritic,

I forgot; the specs are available!

This is good.  All those taxpayers in Kentucky will at least be able to ensure that they get what they're paying for in terms of size. Wink

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 31, 2011

"it started with a peaceful discourse".

 not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

  just do it with respect.

you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

"but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

 anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

"but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

 i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

  i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

What a load of crap. Go back and read the beginning and you'll see that I didn't know you from Adam, so there was no need to get mad at you. In any argument I've ever had with anyone, It always starts with a conversation which leads to an argument because of many reasons. Get with reality already. Wake up from that stupor you're in.

As far as the other crap you wrote, I laid down many question which you refused to answer and that's a fact. I even copied and pasted a long article regarding the many prophecies in the Bible that you calimed to have come true, which was turned out to be false, yet I never heard one peep from you.

I gave you so many different questions, simple questions, but you always used some excuse to WEASEL out of it.

YOU can't answer simple questions. Then when I got tired of asking them over and over and over and over and over and over, I left because I got tired of arguing with a brick wall, to which then you accused me of running away. You simply don't get it do you?

Why?......because you're clueless and so brainwashed that you refuse to even attempt to answer any of the questions...because you CAN'T.....

Now get over it....!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jun 1, 2011

Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

 

You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

and he also loves people like you.

You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 1, 2011

No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

Thank you joker.

That's not a loaded statement either.

Just a simple thank you for being direct and to the point without sarcasm or insult.

sandia's avatarsandia

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   I'm sorry but that was just too funny, he converted from being an atheist to a religious man because he believes his 'mock' prayer was answered for his mom to win a million dollars?!Green laugh

   I wonder who should be more bemused, atheists or religious fanatics........either way, it  is too darn funny for me to even read about it, heck, the headline itself gave me the giggles, poor kids in my tutoring class looked at me like I was a cow that jumped over the moon but missed it and landed on Mars instead!

 

  Green laughGreen laughGreen laughGreen laugh

  Life is what you make it, enjoy it, you only have one chance to do so.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 1, 2011

What a load of crap. Go back and read the beginning and you'll see that I didn't know you from Adam, so there was no need to get mad at you. In any argument I've ever had with anyone, It always starts with a conversation which leads to an argument because of many reasons. Get with reality already. Wake up from that stupor you're in.

As far as the other crap you wrote, I laid down many question which you refused to answer and that's a fact. I even copied and pasted a long article regarding the many prophecies in the Bible that you calimed to have come true, which was turned out to be false, yet I never heard one peep from you.

I gave you so many different questions, simple questions, but you always used some excuse to WEASEL out of it.

YOU can't answer simple questions. Then when I got tired of asking them over and over and over and over and over and over, I left because I got tired of arguing with a brick wall, to which then you accused me of running away. You simply don't get it do you?

Why?......because you're clueless and so brainwashed that you refuse to even attempt to answer any of the questions...because you CAN'T.....

Now get over it....!

at the risk of descending another thread into a rediculous back and forth,  are you that upside down in life that you have to resort to lying about what has transposed over time between us?

your lying to yourself and to the board if you portray that i "ran" from anything you served up.

that's a straight up lie.

i countered everything you ever manufactured,  and you are the one that michael jacksoned out the side door many times.

there are some people for which it is more difficult to defend against,  based on their intelligence and resourcefulness,  but don't flatter yourself joker,  because there will never come a day where you could serve up anything i would have to "run from".

i said in here before,  more times than i can count,  but if a person has to resort to lying in order the "maintain" their position in life......they don't have a position in the first place.

i ran from you -----> Green laugh

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jun 1, 2011

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

"I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses."

I agree.

Assuming these tax incentives were determined by a full analysis of the economic impact of the project, including start-up AND ongoing long term effects, I wonder if Kentuckians have been apprised of it?  There will be engineering and construction jobs created at the outset, but eventually, theme parks end up with a maintenance crew and lots of part-time HS and college kids selling tickets and making hot dogs.  I hope the Finance Authority is at least requiring the principals to contract with Kentucky construction companies!

Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million belonging to all the citizens of Kentucky, wouldn't it make sense to see an accounting up front, one that would show into whose hands this $40M will end up?   I'm sure the "...group of unidentified private investors..." putting up the other $132M for the project are happy!  Big Smile

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 1, 2011

"I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses."

I agree.

Assuming these tax incentives were determined by a full analysis of the economic impact of the project, including start-up AND ongoing long term effects, I wonder if Kentuckians have been apprised of it?  There will be engineering and construction jobs created at the outset, but eventually, theme parks end up with a maintenance crew and lots of part-time HS and college kids selling tickets and making hot dogs.  I hope the Finance Authority is at least requiring the principals to contract with Kentucky construction companies!

Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million belonging to all the citizens of Kentucky, wouldn't it make sense to see an accounting up front, one that would show into whose hands this $40M will end up?   I'm sure the "...group of unidentified private investors..." putting up the other $132M for the project are happy!  Big Smile

"Assuming these tax incentives" and "Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million"

I'm adding "Jimmy doesn't know there's huge difference between a tax incentive and subsidizing a business" right below "Jimmy believes 50,000 pick-3 players will buy a $1 QP every night, win or lose for 54 years".

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jun 1, 2011

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

"I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision."

"an estimated 600-700 full time jobs and a projected $250 million in its initial year." And I'll add this is an election year; you can't get reelected in a bible belt state by saying "no" to Noah's Ark.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

"And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!" 

Thumbs UpGreen laughROFLCheersHurray!Big GrinHyperBananaDanceLOL

 

Heavens to Betsy, I hear they're going to put up a huge cross along the highway too!

Oh Goodness Gracious!

 

Don't worry Nancy, someday I'm sure they'll put up a "HELL" Theme Park so you can have equal time.

With a special section for Interior Decorators.

Delta Draw

My-my. So much contention and strife over a news article, a story. Maybe it is a story, follow the money.

A well known unbeliever and one who is in his mother’s face about it, gets religion after his mother wins a
million. All of a sudden he wants to express his involvement in the ‘miracle’. Look who is getting the glory and is making the news. It sounds so sincere, so good, so heartwarming and all from a goat.  He should sell used cars or insurance. Is this not the most unbelievable testimony of an unbeliever's conversion?

I would not put it past him if his tongue-in-cheek conversion hopes to get a piece of the pie.

It will be interesting to see over the following year just how much conviction this man has for his new found faith.

Let’s watch the  news for the rest of the story. If he is as adamant about his unbelief as some are, it won't be long to see the fruit. After all, there are other unbelievers who will jump on the chance to run this through some mud trenches because they have much at stake. It will feed another smear campaign unbelievers love to get published to mock God.

I say he is a goat and will not put a penny in a coffer, let alone a tithe. "faith commeth by hearing,.. the Word of God". Lottery winnings are exempt.

DD

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 1, 2011

"I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision."

"an estimated 600-700 full time jobs and a projected $250 million in its initial year." And I'll add this is an election year; you can't get reelected in a bible belt state by saying "no" to Noah's Ark.

You saying there are politics involved with the theme park?

It will have to be a tour stop for Sarah Palin then.

 I’ll bet every one of my gold teeth on it.

Sorry Ridge, you don’t have enough teeth left to match the bet, even if they were gold capped.

And I thought stupid was only a state
of mind,...

DD

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 1, 2011

"And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!" 

Thumbs UpGreen laughROFLCheersHurray!Big GrinHyperBananaDanceLOL

 

Heavens to Betsy, I hear they're going to put up a huge cross along the highway too!

Oh Goodness Gracious!

 

Don't worry Nancy, someday I'm sure they'll put up a "HELL" Theme Park so you can have equal time.

With a special section for Interior Decorators.

Hey rdgnr,

I think this is the 2nd time I've noticed you referring to me as "Nancy."  It's interesting, although not that surprising, that someone with that name shares enough of my views that you would mistake me for him/her.  Sorry, but I only know one Nancy, and she's in Ohio.

--Jimmy4164

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Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jun 2, 2011

You saying there are politics involved with the theme park?

It will have to be a tour stop for Sarah Palin then.

 I’ll bet every one of my gold teeth on it.

Sorry Ridge, you don’t have enough teeth left to match the bet, even if they were gold capped.

And I thought stupid was only a state
of mind,...

DD

There were questions about giving tax incentives to a religious based theme park but the company is not a religious organization or tax exempt. The ground breaking won't be until August and that's spring time in Alaska.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 2, 2011

There were questions about giving tax incentives to a religious based theme park but the company is not a religious organization or tax exempt. The ground breaking won't be until August and that's spring time in Alaska.

Ahh, Capitalism. One does not need to
have a tax exempt status the old fashioned way anymore. They just lobby for tax
breaks. A bad bribe for the people who will pay for it up the what’sit.

An outfit, that as it turns out was
from Texas, wanted to make Dick Cheney’s dream come true on the 1200 gas fired
power plants that never got built. The
plan was to have a natural gas liquefied
terminal in several locations on the Columbia River in western Oregon. There is
a natural reservoir in place, plumbed in and now supersized by Texican pipefighters.
  The LNG plant was not wanted and the outfit finally
gave up. They left some 100 million in unpaid debts for permits and media and
Etc. They went bankrupt almost immediately after finally understanding NO and
all the communities that gave the outfit credit for permits and services got
hung out to dry. BIGTIME. They are political suckers that got bribed. The USA does not
have the LNG tankers that fly our flag so by law, we cannot even get out own
gas, port to port. The gas would be from another country. Not exactly the energy
self sufficiency plan we were told to be on. The prop jobs have gearboxes that last five years at best. One field has already been sold, as-is.

 

I have seen numerous big outfits
promise the world with a picket fence around it to get such incentives and
every one is a state sponsored corporation of entitlement. 30 million from
Alaska to Canada for a pipeline that will not happen and they are locked into
paying more. Nuclear plants, Several steel plants, a bottle plant, CoGens, ethanol
plants where there is no corn for a thousand miles, etc. Somebody is getting
rich and the country is floundering in financial ruin, public and private.

Like a Gypsum board plant goes in a
no-nothing town and gets tax breaks while emergency services go belly up the
same year. No ambulances. The Fire department is merged with another city 25
miles away. No funding. What a deal. They
even get a provision to make more air pollution than what is allowed by other
long standing business who would get fined for the same emissions. And oh the
promises of the jobs! BS. They had the Jr. colleges teaching pre-application
courses (to get a job ap) and the jobs went to people from out of state and I do
not mean Washington across the river.

All across the nation there are such
stories of new hopeful businesses- new industry getting breaks and as soon as it can be
done they are bankrupt and given a special provision. There is big money
fleecing the right people and all that has to happen is,… it gets in financial trouble
and is bought by another party for pennies on the dollar. Wink-wink,
nudge-nudge. Ah, the virtues of greedy capitalism for the entitled; great gain is godliness.

 

Groundbreaking in August? I will bet all my teeth Palin will be there with a shovel and will speak of the virtues of
such an undertaking. I only hope she is in deep as an investor. Could there,..
is there a Wal-Mart nearby so Sarah can shop without dressing up in her PJ’s?

 She does not need votes, she needs investors. Who is better to fleece the congregations than one of their own? She is on a mission from god but nobody knows which one.

DD

uh, Stack,... it is springtime in Alaska NOW. It lasts a few days way up there.

Stack47

Sarah Palin will be busy creating her own theme park based on the "Midnight ride of Paul Revere" with bell tower water slides. Every day at 1:00 PM they will reenact the famous historical moment when Revere rang one bell by land and two bells by sea.

It's so refreshing to have Sarah pointing out the errors in history.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 3, 2011

Sarah Palin will be busy creating her own theme park based on the "Midnight ride of Paul Revere" with bell tower water slides. Every day at 1:00 PM they will reenact the famous historical moment when Revere rang one bell by land and two bells by sea.

It's so refreshing to have Sarah pointing out the errors in history.

Yeah, maybe she should build it next to Obama's Theme Park based on "all 57 states" that he says he visited before the last election.

 

It's also refreshing to have Barack pointing out errors in the history books.

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by dallascowboyfan on May 29, 2011

I love stories like this........

Isaiah 61:7 "Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs." The mother got 2 blessings her son becoming a believer  and $1 million dollars.........

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 3, 2011

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

Well said, Perfecttiming2. Thumbs Up

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 3, 2011

Yeah, maybe she should build it next to Obama's Theme Park based on "all 57 states" that he says he visited before the last election.

 

It's also refreshing to have Barack pointing out errors in the history books.

Okay Ridge, I get your point, we need someone who makes more gaffs than Obama. The Palin gaff calendar list has enough material for two years and Obama’s is good for maybe a week. We need another VP to flip off congress and a President who will do it to an audience and visual media. I sure miss W and Dick, but the effect still lingers. I am all for the republicans running this country bankrupt so it can be ‘reorganized’ by the Crown. Heck, I
am starting to understand GHWB’s New World order. Bring it on! Who's story will history be?

 

It is so sad you desire political perfection with imbalanced observations, but it is in the works. Next year we get the G8 and in 2013, Who-hoo! England! Homecoming!

Palin is a grifter and a tease, I only wish she was still a Democrat so you could see the light. As long as she
can, she will promote her divine influence (self inflicted) while spending donated money on politicians of her choice. It is divine right. Let her do the voting. What is wrong with Church and State? Is that not your new State motto?

 

Just give your money to her and let it ride.  Spend a little more time in the garden. You can have a Yamaka when you get to the Creation Abomination Park grand opening (it is like a Mickey Mouse hat without the ears). Tawd Palin has already modeled one. Then you can see how they cram some several billion years of  history into the last 6,000 years while disregarding Genesis 1:2 and the fact that the book speaks of three distinct earths. We are in #2. #1 is the asteroid belt. Who was the planet killer that made earth without form and void? Why replenish if it did not need it? ....And I thought Alaska was a stupid state running in a heat with Arizona and Texas.

DD

Do you know why  oranges will not be found here at the park? A: for fear of the juice.

Know why nobody played cards to pass the time on Noah's Ark? A: Noah sat on the deck.

What stretches more, flesh or rubber? A: flesh; Baalam tied his ass to a tree and walked up the mountain.

What did Jesus say on the cross to lighten the mood? Hey! I can see my house from here!

These bad jokes and more await you at the museum of biblical fantasy in Tennisee  Kentucky

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

DD,  when ridge made that comment asking if you were still waiting for the "spaceship" trailing the hale bopp comment to come pick up the stragglers,  he should have created a poll about it based around you.

just for kicks and giggles

btw,  are you ever going to reveal the cult you belong to,  or do "they" tell you in your bylaws to keep that on the DL ?

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 6, 2011

DD,  when ridge made that comment asking if you were still waiting for the "spaceship" trailing the hale bopp comment to come pick up the stragglers,  he should have created a poll about it based around you.

just for kicks and giggles

btw,  are you ever going to reveal the cult you belong to,  or do "they" tell you in your bylaws to keep that on the DL ?

I am in the Get a New God cult, freak. Jesus Christ is the leader.

DD

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 3, 2011

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

Oh, ok, so let me get this straight. He knows full well that 20,000 kids are going to die everyday, yet he continues to allow another 20,000 kids to be born, which in turn will die an untimely and horrible death?    That's about 8 million every year for how many decades and decades?

 GOD says: Ok kids...come on...get ready to go today. I know you're going to croak a miserable death in a few short years but it's part of my plan. I know you'll suffer in the heat and disease filled communities filled with filth and strife up until your final day, but that too is part of my magnificent plan......It's not my fault you have leaders that are corrupt and greedy for power, not my problem, you'll have to go anyways cause I said so...Puke

You folks need serious help.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

Oh, ok, so let me get this straight. He knows full well that 20,000 kids are going to die everyday, yet he continues to allow another 20,000 kids to be born, which in turn will die an untimely and horrible death?    That's about 8 million every year for how many decades and decades?

 GOD says: Ok kids...come on...get ready to go today. I know you're going to croak a miserable death in a few short years but it's part of my plan. I know you'll suffer in the heat and disease filled communities filled with filth and strife up until your final day, but that too is part of my magnificent plan......It's not my fault you have leaders that are corrupt and greedy for power, not my problem, you'll have to go anyways cause I said so...Puke

You folks need serious help.

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

visiondude makes a prediction in the other thread,  and wouldn't you know it only took 3 days for it to come to pass.

i told you these guys aren't interested in debating universal truths,  they are only trolling around looking to start garbage, and both of them suffer from runamokitis,  better know in the pshyche world as lack of self control.

i just think it's hysterical now that joker opened his mouth (again),   that his supposed slam dunk "undeniable truth" allows 20,000 children to die everyday.

 it's not "gods" fault,   it's your "undeniable truths" fault.......since it's so "undeniable" above all others.

that's the addition in here you made, so now you have to live with it that your "undeniable truth" is THE cause and effect.

you just inadvertantly threw your alien buddies under the cosmic bus.    better hope that "probe" thing isn't true.

joker inSINuated that his "undeniable truth" trumped a hit parade of the worlds religions in the validity arena,  so now evidently it becomes awefully suspect that those alien fellers can't do squat about the inequities of their own "world",  or ours.

things i would like to observe before i am swayed jokers way...

lets see the alien fellers hand deliver their magna carta to joker,  then...

they can zoom over to the guys challenge desk,  pick up the $1000 check,  take a pic of it with their far advanced photo imaging thingy majiggy,  and then joker can post a pic of it right here.

or,  joker (and the "aliens")  can skip all that superlative hula baloney and save all those 20,000 children a day themselves.

shoot,  i think if it is "undeniable",  all of us would be impressed if they can save 5,000 a day.

personally,  i don't demand much,  100 a day is good by me

i just lowered the bar.  why?   cuz i am a nice guy,  and "fair enough" to demonstrate someones true agenda

surf the net for titanium underwear joker.   you are going to need it

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

Ugh, J.V. arguments.  Do a little reading.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

Ugh, J.V. arguments.  Do a little reading.

If this is true, those terms should have been simple for you to define.

Maybe Joey can help...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

your not debating stitch.   people that debate are people with an ambivlaent angle who desire to learn.

you just follow people around and throw up nasty garbage against a wall,  just because you have a chip on your shoulder about this arena of life.

look at your last post,   that comes from an angle of debate?

it was a sarcastic swipe,  and all you are good for when it comes to these intersections.

"The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it".

 you mean the ones that demonstrate "they" can't save 20,000 children everyday,  or even score a measly $1000 check?

that's "undeniable proof" alright ....lol

"Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now".

  i did,  right in this thread. 

your a little on the forgetful side,  probably because you being so incensed and all about this subject matter, you purposefully skip right over things that are 180 degree's opposite of your alledged "undeniable truth".

what i stated about the "list" was what you insinuated,  that they (the list) were all "wrong",  because there were hundreds of them,  so how could anyone know?        fair question,  until....

you opened your mouth and claimed you had the fast track to the ultimate truth,   claiming your alien videos contained "undeniable truths" that superceded all intelligence and world religions.

you are the one that's now claiming to know the one true answer to all of this.

what's the matter,  can't live up to your claims joker once someone applies the addition / subtraction magnifying glass of universal truth ?

you throw garbage at everyone else,  but can't handle your own in house trash compactor

funny thing is,   your "undenaible truths" couldn't stand shoulder to shoulder with a list you posted,  because "they" couldn't even collect a paltry $1000.

to ad insult to your already injurious position,  i also noted correctly that your 'aliens' can't keep 20,000 children from dying.

'they" should be able to,   because according to you,  it's "undeniably true"  that aliens ARE the answer.

your right,  it makes no sense for you to bomb the thread with your "concerns".

let's just skip all the pleasantries,  get right down to the biznatch for efficientcy purposes,  and you can explain "why" if the aliens ARE the truth,  why they are UNABLE to score you a $1000 check,   and why they can't even save 100 people around the world from starvation?

you complain about religions,  but it's ok that you can't answer your own affliations claims.

your the person you complain the most about.

i told the board you couldn't help yourself,  and now,  thanks to you,  they are INCENSED that aliens can't keep 20,000 children from starving everyday.

you just set alien "believability" back about 500 years.

at least elvis gave money to poor families to keep them from starving,  by giving them $1000 checks

kick rocks in your own rock pile.  you are way out of your league in here

rock - paper -scissors,  and my "$1000 bill" just covered your "rock"...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

If this is true, those terms should have been simple for you to define.

Maybe Joey can help...

You need to learn respect, Nancy.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

You make great points. Much more eloquently done compared with my raw version...lol

You're exactly correct, proclaiming things as truth, which I've been ranting all along, is the crux of this whole dilemma.

I try to evaluate life with an open mind. I used to be somewhat leaning towards Christianity many years ago. But then a light went on and I started an investigation.

Funny how this God gave us brains to think, analyze, scrutinize, invent, argue, discuss, evaluate, problem solve life's dilemmas, yet when it comes to the many religions to choose from, and which one of the many can give us some insight, not one human has the right to question it. Everything else in life is put thru the ringer except for Religion...WHY?

What a paradox that is.....!

 

If there is a God, I would hope he would congratulate me when I meet him. He'd pat my head and tell me I passsed the test. The test of common sense.

God: You are in my everlasting presence because you earned it. Despite the multitudes claiming they knew who I was, you figured it out all by your own common sense. You chose to be spiritual and tune in with the Universal intelligence, whatever that may be. Good job my son.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i like the end of your ramble joker,  where you are having a "conversation" with someone you can't name,  you have no idea who they are,  or what their about....... aside from the wishes you wish they were., you pretend to think you will have something in common with someone with whom you have no idea who they are.

that's like getting a cab fair,  going to the address you "think" you should for that fair,  but it's a competitors garage

 

"universal (i don't know what) intelligence" yeah,  that makes a whole lot of 'common sense'

if you "earned it",  then what's the bar for everyone else so when they will also know when they crossed the "just enough line"?

if you can do it,  so can others,  but the "bar" has to be equal for everyone,  ortherwise it's only subjective to the person,  and not to the qualifying standard you are claiming it is ("common sense")

how much common sense?   the aliens can't score you a $1000 check "common sense",  or you have a ways to go ?

plus, you can't even define "universal intelligence"  yourself, and how one standard is applicable to every human being equally thruought all of history. 

   i know what i need to do now,  i need to turn the tables around and BOMB YOU in your own blogs.     

you know,  take you to the cleaners in your blogs night and day when you post something i don't agree with,  just to be a pest and wreak havoc.

can you imagine me reminding you day and night about the fact that your aliens can't collect $1000 or save 20,000 children a day?

that's what your heinous does in here. 

let me pray about it,  and i will get back to you Green laugh

joker17

joker17

Todd's avatarTodd

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

There may be a god out there that sees the difference. Maybe the type of god that gives out a brain with doubt and free will. There is a chance.

"You feeling lucky today punk?" - Dirty Harry

Religion and lottery - amazing how many similarities.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 8, 2011

There may be a god out there that sees the difference. Maybe the type of god that gives out a brain with doubt and free will. There is a chance.

"You feeling lucky today punk?" - Dirty Harry

Religion and lottery - amazing how many similarities.

Are you saying you don't like the lottery?  You're all over the map.

Don't worry, you don't need to defend Joker.  He will undoubtedly post another 10 paragraph reason why I'm wrong.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

And you know that for sure?

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

Are you saying you don't like the lottery?  You're all over the map.

Don't worry, you don't need to defend Joker.  He will undoubtedly post another 10 paragraph reason why I'm wrong.

Have no idea how you inferred I do not like the lottery.

All over the map? No, just more open minded than most. I see as many possibilities as there are combinations in a 6/49 game.

I defend no one, including Joker.

Todd, you work in mysterious ways. You close the "praying for a lottery win" thread but add "fuel to the fire" in this thread. Go figure!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

Whose God ?

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joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Whose God ?

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My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Whose God ?

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How dare you question REALITY?

What do you mean by "Whose God" ?

Isn't it obvious?

It says so in this book, so it must mean it's true.....DUH!

get with the program jimmmy4164...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 8, 2011

Have no idea how you inferred I do not like the lottery.

All over the map? No, just more open minded than most. I see as many possibilities as there are combinations in a 6/49 game.

I defend no one, including Joker.

Todd, you work in mysterious ways. You close the "praying for a lottery win" thread but add "fuel to the fire" in this thread. Go figure!

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

I think it's healthy for children to learn the truth about Santa Claus as soon as they can understand it.  I also think that learning how to calculate the Expected Value of a lottery ticket is a valuable skill.  However, most cultures have evolved some explanation for existence that many people adopt as their world view and rely on for comfort, and often use as a reason to continue living.  For this reason, I get uneasy in public forums such as this when I realize that if I'm successful in exposing inconsistencies or fallacies in a belief system, I could cause someone to lose some of their stability through doubt.  For this reason, I prefer to point people to books or articles when they appear to have an interest in exploring other explanations for the world they see around them.

There is a wealth of information for those interested at...

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

By the way, if you look around at this site, you will discover that there really is a difference between a deist and an atheist, and that not all humanists are atheists.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 8, 2011

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

That's funny jimmy. You are looking for logic in all the wrong places.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

I won't be baited by you Nancy, you sniveling little effeminate twit.

You're here to preach and troll and your partner, mario the midget, is just here to cause strife cuz he got called out on his pool scam before he could fool anybody and now he's mad at the world and wants to get even.

You're both an easy read, now run along.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 8, 2011

That's funny jimmy. You are looking for logic in all the wrong places.

I knooowww!  But up to this point I haven't been able to find a rehab center that can help me.  Unhappy

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

I won't be baited by you Nancy, you sniveling little effeminate twit.

You're here to preach and troll and your partner, mario the midget, is just here to cause strife cuz he got called out on his pool scam before he could fool anybody and now he's mad at the world and wants to get even.

You're both an easy read, now run along.

Well, that's a new one.  Someone makes accusations of disrespect but when they're asked who is being disrespected, they somehow feel baited.  Hmmm.  Mario is right; this really isn't a place to look for logic.

BTW, is your 1st sentence above designed to elicit anger, fear, loathing, hurt feelings, or a combination of all of these?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

Well, that's a new one.  Someone makes accusations of disrespect but when they're asked who is being disrespected, they somehow feel baited.  Hmmm.  Mario is right; this really isn't a place to look for logic.

BTW, is your 1st sentence above designed to elicit anger, fear, loathing, hurt feelings, or a combination of all of these?

The first sentence wasn't designed to elicit anything, Nancy. Just consider it an illustrative salutation. And if the shoe fits... well, you know...

You disrespect anybody who disagrees with you so there's no need to go into specifics.

I bet you never do it man to man, face to face though. The little clown mario either.

BTW, why don't you two get a room?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Like your new avatar, Nancy.

Is that you in drag?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

when jimmy asked "whose God"?   to todd,  and you decided to ride his skirt, ,  is there a reason why you didn't belly up to the bar and answer ....."why my undeniable truth in my blogs,  that's who"?

you sure have minimized yourself down from "undeniable" to "stage fright".

since you insist on running around the hall with your intellectual schizophrenia for the night,  you should have answered like this ...

......that guy that is running the $1000 challenge on his website,  the person in history that he features as a challenge to,  until someone steps up and takes the $1000,  that guy is the leader in the "who is god" lottery sweepstakes.

i still think it's funny that a guy like you (that is never short of windage),  when he gets his cage rattled by someone that can actually counter your offerings,  you always come back with a counter to the counter, and yet you said squat.

you were silent,  once i made the notation that your "aliens" haven't alleviated any part of this worlds suffering,  including your '20,000 children a day'  concern.

instead of addressing a bold claim that you made......you run the other direction

 now thats what i call "undeniable"

remember,  people with an intolerable amount of intellect far above yours still can't take that $1000 away from that guy.

and that makes Jesus Christ (as of now)  the king above all kings.

'logical"  means you do comparison shopping,  but you pick the one that rises to the top,  not the one that fills your "wish list" of what you would like God to be.

that's the farthest thing from logic

that's actually how people pick thier 'god' ......"i like this,  i don't like that.  ok,  now THAT'S a god i can live with,  i'll pick him" 

truth is, God is who He revealed Himself to be thru consistentcy and power throughout all of history.

  you pick Him based solely on who He said He is,  and adjust to that,  whether or not you intially like all 'aspects' of what you think are inequities about him.

the "20,000 children a day" is good example of a perceived initial 'inequity',  but over time thru trust, God reveals the "why's" of His decision making,  and issues that you had prior are not issues you cannot handle intellectually any longer.

they become more clear

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind 

only people abherrant TO standards at all cost,  have an aversion to standards,  at all costs. 

people that employ seeking type wisdom accept the fact of inevitable standards,  and they are willing to adjust when they are able to  recognize something attributable,  and therein lies the only description of a person that finds the "god' that rises to the top.

everyone else stumbles over their supposed reasoning on the way to excusing away "standards".

joker cries "foul" because there are standards for an eternal address.  as there should be.

joker however does not advocate a world with no standards,  where someone can break in his house and steal his guitar and beer,  and not go to jail.

joker would be  PISSED if someone did that.      but hey,  "standards are unfair", right?

whoever God is,  one things for certain,  He will have standards,  and your standing with Him will be based on your adjustment to them

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 3, 2011

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

You hit the nail on the head..perfecttiming.....Amen....Thumbs Up...Everyone wants to blame God when things go bad or the way things are going in this world but don't see the bigger picture he painted...from all these comments..I haven't really seen any that just talk about how good God is and the good things God has done in people's life...it's always...why did God do this and that  all negativilty about him not anything postive has been said about him...I have had good and bad things happen in my life...but I have accepted it cause it is God's plan...he has a plan for all of us...if he put you in it he will bring you through it...and I have learned to accept this life and all that it has in store for me being bad or good...cause I have a strong faith in my God....and Savior......Amen....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 9, 2011

You hit the nail on the head..perfecttiming.....Amen....Thumbs Up...Everyone wants to blame God when things go bad or the way things are going in this world but don't see the bigger picture he painted...from all these comments..I haven't really seen any that just talk about how good God is and the good things God has done in people's life...it's always...why did God do this and that  all negativilty about him not anything postive has been said about him...I have had good and bad things happen in my life...but I have accepted it cause it is God's plan...he has a plan for all of us...if he put you in it he will bring you through it...and I have learned to accept this life and all that it has in store for me being bad or good...cause I have a strong faith in my God....and Savior......Amen....

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

when jimmy asked "whose God"?   to todd,  and you decided to ride his skirt, ,  is there a reason why you didn't belly up to the bar and answer ....."why my undeniable truth in my blogs,  that's who"?

you sure have minimized yourself down from "undeniable" to "stage fright".

since you insist on running around the hall with your intellectual schizophrenia for the night,  you should have answered like this ...

......that guy that is running the $1000 challenge on his website,  the person in history that he features as a challenge to,  until someone steps up and takes the $1000,  that guy is the leader in the "who is god" lottery sweepstakes.

i still think it's funny that a guy like you (that is never short of windage),  when he gets his cage rattled by someone that can actually counter your offerings,  you always come back with a counter to the counter, and yet you said squat.

you were silent,  once i made the notation that your "aliens" haven't alleviated any part of this worlds suffering,  including your '20,000 children a day'  concern.

instead of addressing a bold claim that you made......you run the other direction

 now thats what i call "undeniable"

remember,  people with an intolerable amount of intellect far above yours still can't take that $1000 away from that guy.

and that makes Jesus Christ (as of now)  the king above all kings.

'logical"  means you do comparison shopping,  but you pick the one that rises to the top,  not the one that fills your "wish list" of what you would like God to be.

that's the farthest thing from logic

that's actually how people pick thier 'god' ......"i like this,  i don't like that.  ok,  now THAT'S a god i can live with,  i'll pick him" 

truth is, God is who He revealed Himself to be thru consistentcy and power throughout all of history.

  you pick Him based solely on who He said He is,  and adjust to that,  whether or not you intially like all 'aspects' of what you think are inequities about him.

the "20,000 children a day" is good example of a perceived initial 'inequity',  but over time thru trust, God reveals the "why's" of His decision making,  and issues that you had prior are not issues you cannot handle intellectually any longer.

they become more clear

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind 

only people abherrant TO standards at all cost,  have an aversion to standards,  at all costs. 

people that employ seeking type wisdom accept the fact of inevitable standards,  and they are willing to adjust when they are able to  recognize something attributable,  and therein lies the only description of a person that finds the "god' that rises to the top.

everyone else stumbles over their supposed reasoning on the way to excusing away "standards".

joker cries "foul" because there are standards for an eternal address.  as there should be.

joker however does not advocate a world with no standards,  where someone can break in his house and steal his guitar and beer,  and not go to jail.

joker would be  PISSED if someone did that.      but hey,  "standards are unfair", right?

whoever God is,  one things for certain,  He will have standards,  and your standing with Him will be based on your adjustment to them

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind

 

Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind?

OMG, that has to be a joke right?

Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal?

YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me.

What nerve, to call me crazy, coming from a delusional character like you..............Crazy

Please Vision....get some help...please.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 8, 2011

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

"There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true".

 there most certainly are.

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't exclude the fact that millions of people know.

if there is a God,  He has standards,  and the only way He could have standards is that we are accountable to those standards,  if He has made Himself known.

the idea that God "cannot be known' is a 1,000 times more ludicrous if there is a God.

millions of people know,   your just mad about the 'standards' portion because you want to make up your own rules and live by those.

at least be man enough to admit it,  you have a problem with authority,  and you want to be your own 'god'.

that's fine,  just add yourself to that long list you posted

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind

 

Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind?

OMG, that has to be a joke right?

Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal?

YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me.

What nerve, to call me crazy, coming from a delusional character like you..............Crazy

Please Vision....get some help...please.

"Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind"? 

by running definition you are out of your mind, yes.

you think you can mock God day in and day out,  and still think that someday when you die you will be 'accepted' by him.

you talk trash about someone,  and your delusional enough to think the person is going to be cool with you.   there isn't a relationship on the planet that survives that kind of onslaught over time,  and most certainly God won't accept that as "relationship material".

"Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal"?

 i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.   

in normal to trust something that's proven to be trustworthy,  and because you can measure the trustworthy factor thru the microscope of fulfilled prophecy,  then yes,  it stands alone  in history above all the other "books"

100% accurcy SCREAMS "trustworthy"

"YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me".

 au contraire. 

you made the same EXACT bold claim as i did with your alien vids.

you said it was "undeniable proof",  and yet you are now deftly silent on the matter.

you accuse me of nonsense,  yet between the 2 of us there is ZERO 'proof" of alien existence thru out history,  yet when measured against biblical history on any level (science, archaeology, historical documentation of people who actually LIVED, fulfilled prophecy, documentation OF the documentation "documented" by people who were antagonistic toward the bibles "history", etc, etc etc),  and yet you think i am the one that's nuts.

i demonstrated that between the 2 of us you had nothing to base your belief on,  when i noted your 'aliens" can't save the 20,000 children starving in the world .

i base my belief in proven history,  so yeah,  the delusion belongs as your definition

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

"No one and I mean no one knows for sure..."

And how do you know that?

You don't know that any more than Joe Schmo from Nantucket.

Let me tell you something, Joker, there are people who know.

People that have had experiences that they have never discussed with anyone and never will. Because once you've had the experience you would never trivialize it by putting it up for public scrutiny as if it needed to be verified or validated by people who could never even fathom the wonder and awe of it. Because there are people like you and Nancy and the little clown mario who appoint themselves the authorities on anything supernatural based purely on your personal experience of it. Which is none.

If the three of you haven't personally experienced anything of a divine supernatural nature, then it just couldn't happen. Your minds are closed to it. How conceited is that? 

I think the crux of the situation here though is the preaching bent of your little triumvirate with the atheist/agnostic/humanist agenda. You mock the phony tv preachers but you seem to be on a mission to convert people to your way of thinking more than any phony evangelist ever known. Christians here have to spend time everyday defending their beliefs because of attacks and ridicule from the three of you for something as benign as saying "thank God".

How about we all just live and let live?

You guys keep watching the sky for spacemen and everybody else does whatever they want without being harassed.

Or would that suggestion be too delusional to try?

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

Spiritual laws never change, regardless of what "in the name of" you put them with.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 9, 2011

Spiritual laws never change, regardless of what "in the name of" you put them with.

I don't know about that one Tenaj. The Bible has a very thin spectrum for folks who enter heaven and those who don't based on rules and regulations. If you don't believe Christ was your savior, you're doomed.

I don't adhere to any of the rules because there are literally thousands of religions that also have rules. They can't all be correct.

I'm spiritual but not brainwashed.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

"No one and I mean no one knows for sure..."

And how do you know that?

You don't know that any more than Joe Schmo from Nantucket.

Let me tell you something, Joker, there are people who know.

People that have had experiences that they have never discussed with anyone and never will. Because once you've had the experience you would never trivialize it by putting it up for public scrutiny as if it needed to be verified or validated by people who could never even fathom the wonder and awe of it. Because there are people like you and Nancy and the little clown mario who appoint themselves the authorities on anything supernatural based purely on your personal experience of it. Which is none.

If the three of you haven't personally experienced anything of a divine supernatural nature, then it just couldn't happen. Your minds are closed to it. How conceited is that? 

I think the crux of the situation here though is the preaching bent of your little triumvirate with the atheist/agnostic/humanist agenda. You mock the phony tv preachers but you seem to be on a mission to convert people to your way of thinking more than any phony evangelist ever known. Christians here have to spend time everyday defending their beliefs because of attacks and ridicule from the three of you for something as benign as saying "thank God".

How about we all just live and let live?

You guys keep watching the sky for spacemen and everybody else does whatever they want without being harassed.

Or would that suggestion be too delusional to try?

They've done tests where the person's brain was exposed while the patient was a wake and they touched certain areas of the brain. The person had many visions and felt a presence at times. Many had religous experiences as well.

No One knows. Those experiences could be from any number of sources. The brain is a powerful machine that can do many many things. If not for the brain, everything would be nothing but a soup of nonsensical particles and waves. It's the brain which makes this world a reality, and I say reality very lightly. Reality is as good as the perceiver of the information. And even If they did have a supernatural experience that had nothing to do with the brain, it doesn't mean one particular religion is correct. It may very well be a spiritual experience, but doesn't prove who's God is correct and who's isn't.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes other than ones that have been implanted into religous folks minds as the TRUTH. Everyone has truths. You call it attacks, I call it education.

I could live and let live, but If someone has the freedom to interject their religous beliefs in a thread as truth, I also have that right to disagree.

Now that doesn't seem delusional does it?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

"Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind"? 

by running definition you are out of your mind, yes.

you think you can mock God day in and day out,  and still think that someday when you die you will be 'accepted' by him.

you talk trash about someone,  and your delusional enough to think the person is going to be cool with you.   there isn't a relationship on the planet that survives that kind of onslaught over time,  and most certainly God won't accept that as "relationship material".

"Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal"?

 i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.   

in normal to trust something that's proven to be trustworthy,  and because you can measure the trustworthy factor thru the microscope of fulfilled prophecy,  then yes,  it stands alone  in history above all the other "books"

100% accurcy SCREAMS "trustworthy"

"YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me".

 au contraire. 

you made the same EXACT bold claim as i did with your alien vids.

you said it was "undeniable proof",  and yet you are now deftly silent on the matter.

you accuse me of nonsense,  yet between the 2 of us there is ZERO 'proof" of alien existence thru out history,  yet when measured against biblical history on any level (science, archaeology, historical documentation of people who actually LIVED, fulfilled prophecy, documentation OF the documentation "documented" by people who were antagonistic toward the bibles "history", etc, etc etc),  and yet you think i am the one that's nuts.

i demonstrated that between the 2 of us you had nothing to base your belief on,  when i noted your 'aliens" can't save the 20,000 children starving in the world .

i base my belief in proven history,  so yeah,  the delusion belongs as your definition

i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

 

Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

They've done tests where the person's brain was exposed while the patient was a wake and they touched certain areas of the brain. The person had many visions and felt a presence at times. Many had religous experiences as well.

No One knows. Those experiences could be from any number of sources. The brain is a powerful machine that can do many many things. If not for the brain, everything would be nothing but a soup of nonsensical particles and waves. It's the brain which makes this world a reality, and I say reality very lightly. Reality is as good as the perceiver of the information. And even If they did have a supernatural experience that had nothing to do with the brain, it doesn't mean one particular religion is correct. It may very well be a spiritual experience, but doesn't prove who's God is correct and who's isn't.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes other than ones that have been implanted into religous folks minds as the TRUTH. Everyone has truths. You call it attacks, I call it education.

I could live and let live, but If someone has the freedom to interject their religous beliefs in a thread as truth, I also have that right to disagree.

Now that doesn't seem delusional does it?

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

 

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

 

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

 

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

 

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

 

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

 

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.

jimmy4164

I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.

You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

I consider what people believe to be their own business.

I don't want to argue about anything.

But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

Or should I say the Religious Police?

 

PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

Or just because you said so?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

because my beliefs are strong,  and anchored into the cement of accurately replicated history,  i too could search for all the opportunities i could find to spray the threads with my "beliefs".

i don't.

and the reason i don't sure has nothing to do with having a comittment issue,  but because i employ respect.

LP is a place where a guy like me could have more "opportunities" than i could possibly fulfill.

i don't.

it's an ingenuous ploy by joker to pass off what he does as "opinion" or "education".

no one has the ability to threaten intellectually what i believe,  so why would i try and suppress freedom of opinion / speech?

i don't

i don't search it out, but when someone wipes their feet on my welcome mat and rings my doorbell,  i answer the door.

told joker more times than i have fingers and toes he has every right to an opposing opinion in these threads,  so long as he acts respectful,  and that dude crosses that intersection willfully without conscience.

he hunts,   and then he jumps. 

  a sarcastic disrespectful "reply" doesn't come with a nice guy tag.

it's behavior of a trolling trouble maker,  and nothing more.

joker is upside down about this in his life,  and takes his angst out on LP boards.

when it gets to that level,  then i will step in.

be respectful about others beliefs,  but if you insist on being disrespectful specifically to what i and a whole bunch of others believe in here,  then you know me,  i am going to take you to the intellectual cleaners to demonstrate your true intent......that you are a trolling trouble maker that can't handle what you dish out.

i have far more in the bag on debating these issues in life,  joker,  and you sure have provided me with enough "reason" to play the same game with you in your blogs.

do you see me there ?

that's how a person of respect acts.

cut the act your in here to "edumacate"

your in it to cause trouble

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible

Don't get all frazzled and go into another nervous-nellie fluster-fit now and start changing your avatar and hairstyles again and all like that, Nancy. Next thing you know you'll be flailing all about and break a nail.

Try to stay calm. Go to your Happy Place (and I don't mean the Men's Room at the Greyhound Station).

There is no need for you to worry your delicate little self about smackdowns or the size or demeanor of other posters Nancy, we're all friends here.

And I have no special powers outside of occasionally being able to smell a charlatan from a mile away.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

I consider what people believe to be their own business.

I don't want to argue about anything.

But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

Or should I say the Religious Police?

 

PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

Or just because you said so?

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

Why?

Because you said so.

I finally understand you.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

 

Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

"Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

 fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

that's "proof".

take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

"antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

 

the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

like anything else,  effort equals result. 

you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

not one day

it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

nearly 3 years everyday.

go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

it has to occur without your manipulation.

you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

don't believe me?   fine. 

i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

ASK HIM

of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

Why?

Because you said so.

I finally understand you.

I thought we already made an agreement that I'll write what I want, and you write what you want.

Aren't you just as guilty telling me what I can write and can't write?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

"Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

 fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

that's "proof".

take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

"antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

 

the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

like anything else,  effort equals result. 

you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

not one day

it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

nearly 3 years everyday.

go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

it has to occur without your manipulation.

you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

don't believe me?   fine. 

i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

ASK HIM

of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD

I already posted the fallacy of the 300 plus prophecies and that wasn't good enough for you. Nothing is. It's a waste of time for me....get it?

Yeah, God thinks you're special, and so do I. Maybe he wants you to move to Paris....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

I thought we already made an agreement that I'll write what I want, and you write what you want.

Aren't you just as guilty telling me what I can write and can't write?

Yes, it's all settled as I said a couple of posts back:

 

"But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say."

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

Yes, it's all settled as I said a couple of posts back:

 

"But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say."

Ok, deal.

Look, I'm not claiming I have all the answers because I would be just as guilty as the ones who claim they know for sure which God is the right one. But I've done a lot of research for the past 25 years. I used to believe in Christianity for a lot of reasons as a kid, well into my early 20's, but as time went by with my research, too many red flags popped up. Not just with Christianity, but with all religions. So I decided that since I know that we are made of energy, that there may be some force out there, but it wasn't religion.

Whenever I'm faced with a dilemma of any kind, not just religion, I tend to search it out any way I can. I want the truth as much as anyone else out there. One of the first HUGE red flags I stumbled upon at the early stages of my quest dealt with Christians who claim the Universe is only 6 to 10 thousand years old. That sparked my interest because I knew that some galaxies are billions of light years away, but I never put the two together until someone educated me on the contradiction. How can the universe mentioned in the Bible be only a few thousand years old, If it took light at the speed of 186,000 miles per second billions of years to reach our eyes? And from there I kept learning more and more until it became clear to me that it made no sense for me to believe the claims made by Christians. Of course i studied the general principles of other religions and found tons of contradictions also.

Science doesn't have all the answers either, but it's not supposed to. The word "Science" simply means "The study of". So when science finds something new, it discards the last findings it made and corrects itself. It's an ever morphing study.

Even science can't explain where the singularity that caused the big bang came from. The spark that set it off.  But to say it was God because of a lack of an explanation is not the answer. Maybe God did start the bang, who knows. I'm only questioning why such a God would allow so many religions and allow so many contradictions to continue going on for eons If he really wants everyone to find him. It's almost as If he's going out of his way to show he doesn't exist.

I also find it strange, like so many other strange anomolies, that the huge events of divine intervention have stopped since the Bible days, leading me to believe they never happened. I could go on and on but I'll spare you. I could make a laundry list a mile long of the contradictions.

Why do men have nipples? What was the purpose of God creating nipples? Why do we share 98% of the genes with Chimps?

The list can go much much longer...believe me....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Ok, deal.

Look, I'm not claiming I have all the answers because I would be just as guilty as the ones who claim they know for sure which God is the right one. But I've done a lot of research for the past 25 years. I used to believe in Christianity for a lot of reasons as a kid, well into my early 20's, but as time went by with my research, too many red flags popped up. Not just with Christianity, but with all religions. So I decided that since I know that we are made of energy, that there may be some force out there, but it wasn't religion.

Whenever I'm faced with a dilemma of any kind, not just religion, I tend to search it out any way I can. I want the truth as much as anyone else out there. One of the first HUGE red flags I stumbled upon at the early stages of my quest dealt with Christians who claim the Universe is only 6 to 10 thousand years old. That sparked my interest because I knew that some galaxies are billions of light years away, but I never put the two together until someone educated me on the contradiction. How can the universe mentioned in the Bible be only a few thousand years old, If it took light at the speed of 186,000 miles per second billions of years to reach our eyes? And from there I kept learning more and more until it became clear to me that it made no sense for me to believe the claims made by Christians. Of course i studied the general principles of other religions and found tons of contradictions also.

Science doesn't have all the answers either, but it's not supposed to. The word "Science" simply means "The study of". So when science finds something new, it discards the last findings it made and corrects itself. It's an ever morphing study.

Even science can't explain where the singularity that caused the big bang came from. The spark that set it off.  But to say it was God because of a lack of an explanation is not the answer. Maybe God did start the bang, who knows. I'm only questioning why such a God would allow so many religions and allow so many contradictions to continue going on for eons If he really wants everyone to find him. It's almost as If he's going out of his way to show he doesn't exist.

I also find it strange, like so many other strange anomolies, that the huge events of divine intervention have stopped since the Bible days, leading me to believe they never happened. I could go on and on but I'll spare you. I could make a laundry list a mile long of the contradictions.

Why do men have nipples? What was the purpose of God creating nipples? Why do we share 98% of the genes with Chimps?

The list can go much much longer...believe me....

I'm gonna leave the men's nipples controversy to someone with more hands-on experience with that kind of thing.

Have you seen Nancy anywhere?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Dear joker, you screamed there was "no proof" for several years, and now that I supplied you with some, you refuse to follow up on it and publically ask Todd if I never had that conversation with him back in July 09. 

This is your chance to prove to the board of claims you are making "contributions" for the right reasons.

When you create an atmosphere, live up to it.

Ask him.

You refusing TO ask him underlines your not here for the reason you say you are.

What are you afraid of, him answering "yes" ?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

Dear joker, you screamed there was "no proof" for several years, and now that I supplied you with some, you refuse to follow up on it and publically ask Todd if I never had that conversation with him back in July 09. 

This is your chance to prove to the board of claims you are making "contributions" for the right reasons.

When you create an atmosphere, live up to it.

Ask him.

You refusing TO ask him underlines your not here for the reason you say you are.

What are you afraid of, him answering "yes" ?

With all due respect, could you please bring me up to date on this controversy over a communication with Todd?  It sounds like the truth or fiction of the proposition that God is of the Christian variety somehow hinges on his response.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

Dear joker, you screamed there was "no proof" for several years, and now that I supplied you with some, you refuse to follow up on it and publically ask Todd if I never had that conversation with him back in July 09. 

This is your chance to prove to the board of claims you are making "contributions" for the right reasons.

When you create an atmosphere, live up to it.

Ask him.

You refusing TO ask him underlines your not here for the reason you say you are.

What are you afraid of, him answering "yes" ?

Have you been hanging around with Pumpi?

So If Todd agrees that you indeed had that conversation with him about your Paris visions, God must exist? Wow, Is that all it took to prove his existence? I wish you would've told me that earlier, like many moons ago. I would've converted back then.

Thanx Vision, alas !...someone has finally come up with tangible proof after eons and eons of doubt.

Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

With all due respect, could you please bring me up to date on this controversy over a communication with Todd?  It sounds like the truth or fiction of the proposition that God is of the Christian variety somehow hinges on his response.

Supposedly, Vision had visions about Paris or France for the past 3 years from God, and he told Todd of this in PMs. And If Todd agrees that he indeed had a coversation with Vision about his word of knowledge, it proves that the Christion God is the right one. The rest of the Gods out there are just made up phoney baloney Gods.

Meanwhile, someone in Paris who's Muslim had visions of Denmark for the past 8 years, and PMed it to the president of Egypt. Therefore, If you write to the president and ask him If he had a converstaion with Abdul in Paris, that must surely prove that Mohamad is the true prophet....

Oh boy, I got to go to bed. Too much excitement for one night...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Supposedly, Vision had visions about Paris or France for the past 3 years from God, and he told Todd of this in PMs. And If Todd agrees that he indeed had a coversation with Vision about his word of knowledge, it proves that the Christion God is the right one. The rest of the Gods out there are just made up phoney baloney Gods.

Meanwhile, someone in Paris who's Muslim had visions of Denmark for the past 8 years, and PMed it to the president of Egypt. Therefore, If you write to the president and ask him If he had a converstaion with Abdul in Paris, that must surely prove that Mohamad is the true prophet....

Oh boy, I got to go to bed. Too much excitement for one night...

i never had "visions or dreams".

while God can still use that as a methodology in a followers life,  i have never once had that happen to me.

you immediately attempted to avoid my challenge to your intellectual impairment that God "isn't real",  or "can't be known", and He can't "prove Himself" above others pretenders,  and that "no one knows".

i just gave you hard everyday experience observable facts for you to weigh,  and what you do is call them something 180 degree's opposite of what has happened to me because you cannot address those occurances head on.

observable ongoing never interrupting daily occurances beyond my control,  not "visions or dreams".

visions or dreams are totally subjective. 

 you cannot debate against daily occurances beyond the manipulation of the one that it has happened to,  unless there is no documentation,  and it has not been 'observed' by any outside party.

and unfortunately for your wishful thinking that 'god cannot be known",   those 2 undebatable facts occured to me.

something you will run as fast as you can in the other direction from,  instead of addressing it's "factual nature"

like i said,  create the little science experiment for yourself,  but your not man enough to even do that.

why?   because you could care less what IS the truth about this arena of life

i have a journal i have kept of these events with dates and times,  so people like you can't twist it into something it isn't.

 a man of wisdom filters their believability factor thru the presented facts,  then rejects (or accepts them) based on the proveability.

unfortunately for you,  i have it journaled, and have corroberating eyewitnesses to its occurance over time.

with it happening everyday,  for that length of time,  you can twiddle it away all you want, but the facts are there,  that it is impossible for any human being to orchaestrate that same occurance of phenomenom.

impossible.   if you think that's some flippant grandiose claim,  do it yourself,  see how many days you go

joker,  i never once thought in the midst of being transparent about my life that you would glam on to factual proof,  but because alot of times i can tell the true motivations of men over time,  i could have bet the farm that you would have wussed out on just asking todd alone.

just asking todd would have validated your claim of altuism in here,  but you ran in the other direction.

i needed to accomplish 3 things within the framework of flittering my personal life / experience out there publically on LP,

(1) to demonstrate your not the man you claim to be,  and that your not in here to "educate".  that's a lie.

your only in here to play your little hit and run fly swat game period.     real men finish what they start,  and handle both sides of the coin no matter what,  when it comes to an intellectual OK corral moment,  especially one you start.

you were the one that kept screaming about the 20,000 children a day.

you just a firestarter,  a hit and run artist,  and nothing more. 

that's why you say the things you say

(2) it was necessary (given the current atmosphere in here)  for me to step up to the plate to validate what i say in here about God,  by connecting the dots of history,  and to show thru an experience that only God CAN orchaestrate such an event, to demonstrate in a tangible / relateable way that He is real,   so that it ends up validating future events in my life,   so guys like you can't cry it's nothing more than a "coincidence". 

(3) to embolden other believers 'faith' when guys like you attempt to steal it. 

challenging it is one thing,  but i won't stand there and watch someone attempt to "steal it".   

my defense isn't so much to benefit me,  it's to benefit "them".     it's what i do

once again,  i gave you the juiciest stage for you to stand upon in your wishful thinking that you are going to steal peoples faith,  and instead of getting up on that stage,  you exit curtain left.

it's what you do

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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"I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity".

 it wasn't anywhere near the ballpark of respectful,  it was straight out of the gate classic joker jerk just to be a jerk.

if you had just "replied" with respect,  you would have asked to be defended against.

ask all you want,  ask the hardest questions your inducement can envision,  but if you are a jerk when you do it, you are going to get fly swatted around the room for doing it.

i have no problem of you having issues with Christianity,  but i do not ascribe to door mat Christianity,  and when someone thinks they can take pot shots at it for sport,  that's where my skills come out to play.

discuss,  disagree, debate,  don't even come close to agreeing ----->  i don't care.

be a purposeful jerk,  and think you are going to make the board pay with your angst about it,  that is NOT going to happen.

you know me,  i "wrestle" for equal ground.   that's ALL i wrestle for. 

but when i obeserve bullies that think they can steamroll others,  knowing full well no one is really going to step up to the likes of you,  then i have to

all i am concerned with in here is equal footing to discuss beliefs.

WITH RESPECT

of course,  if someone starts to challenge that footing by getting "narrrow" about what i believe,  THEN i will get narrow as the flow takes me.

it's not my desire to shove Christ down peoples throats.  that NEVER works.  if it was my desire,  i would invite myself into every nook and cranny here at LP ....

....i don't

but you can bet i will defend it,  when someone asks me too

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Have you been hanging around with Pumpi?

So If Todd agrees that you indeed had that conversation with him about your Paris visions, God must exist? Wow, Is that all it took to prove his existence? I wish you would've told me that earlier, like many moons ago. I would've converted back then.

Thanx Vision, alas !...someone has finally come up with tangible proof after eons and eons of doubt.

Crazy

it validates my claim,  like you keep whining that it is "impossible to do",  by creating a timeline based in unbiasness.

todd and i have mutual respect,  but we have also experienced enough differences for it TO validate my claim in an unbiased fashion.

that's why i referred you to a source outside of myself so that you can't claim it was a coincenciDUNCE.

you asked for proof God exists,  and i gave you proof to observe,  so that you can defend against it's validity.

backed it up with actual certifiable / observable data

at least challenge it's validity for crying out loud,  instead more babbling / whining.

the occurances give you data for which to filter thru the probability microscope,  so that you are able to come to a conclusion of it just being a "coincidence" that it has occured everyday for nearly 3 years,  or only God could orchaestrate something on that observable scale......for that length of time unbroken.

i can't make anyone believe,  that's WAY above my pay scale,  nor do i wish to. 

i just live my life wide open,  and take whatever shots come my way

but when someone asks,  i can give them evidence FOR belief,  rather than just reading about it in some book.

i gave you that,  and you don't even have the ability to tear it apart,  or deal with it head on

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

With all due respect, could you please bring me up to date on this controversy over a communication with Todd?  It sounds like the truth or fiction of the proposition that God is of the Christian variety somehow hinges on his response.

it does.

it provides an observable event in order to provide an opportunity for observable validation, yes.

  but i really wish you would have held your peace just a tad longer,  jimmy.

now,  because it was you that asked,  joker will now skate out of the side door to escape his responsibility,  and completly hide behind your skirt praying (pun intended) that you will pick up his mantle and finish for him what he started,   so he doesn't HAVE TO.

he's totally schiken like that...

he is jumping up and down thinking now he doesn't have to with that post you just made.

bare in mind,  i need to keep joker on the hook about this,  in order to demonstrate he is full of it when it comes to him claiming he is in these threads with good intentions.

once i take him all the way to the finish line,  and show that he is afraid of it, and he never will,  i have zero problem backing up anything i say to any degree where someone else sets the stage for me to do it.

i can "observe" you have views looking 180 degree's in the opposite direction.  that is cool,  but make sure if you want to discuss those concerns,  i implore you to be respectful.

people go sideways when someone like gets "narrow" after they have asked me to.

if it's supposedly "untrue",  why such a swift unraveling?

give me time to show joker isn't what he says he is,  then when he doesnt,  you can bet i will

vision

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

Hi Joker!

So, what kind of an agnostic are you?

(Your answer will reveal alot....not that your post have not already....)

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner joker.....  Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible...(and I love to read Revelations)...unless he is referring to different God's from different cults or something like that...but I don't beleive in any of those cults...just like the case down in Texas that was called "WACO"..and do you know what WACO stood for....here it is "We Ain't Coming Out"....and that's just what happened...alot didn't come out...

joker......everyone is entitled to say how and what they feel about their beliefs and that is what is happening here...everyone is saying what they think is right and so on and so on....but what it comes down to is...I don't feel I have to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE about my God....my God knows me and I know him and we have our own personal relationship...cause when I leave this world I know I will be in a better place....and until you can feel that feeling between you and your God and have a strong faith in your religion...nothing or anything that anyone tells you will make a difference...bottom line....I was taught at a early age to not argue with people about religion and politics and beleive me I have learned the hard way....cause everyone has their opinion of the topic and of course everyone whats to be right...and I am seeing so much in this forum how people don't agree on this subject...but than again...they are entitled to their opinon just like me....just like this thread...it will keep going on and on and on till someone  gives up....cause you are always going to have someone that thinks they are right and they are GOD...and can't be defeated...

I do not hate or dislike anyone on this thread even if I don't agree with their comments..it is a free world and everyone is entitled to do that...I just know where to draw the line with people...I guess you could say I am a peace maker....I do hope that at some point in time you do find the God that will help you to see things better and to understand and to find a faith that you can feel good about...cause I am sure you mean well in what you say and do and don't want to hurt people....I will keep you and everyone else on this thread and in this world in my prayers and pray that you all find peace and happiness in this world...Blue Angel

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

 

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

 

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

 

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

Has there been any follow-up stories?

Because I was wondering from the beginning if it wasn't an attempt for "5 minutes of fame".

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 10, 2011

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner joker.....  Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible...(and I love to read Revelations)...unless he is referring to different God's from different cults or something like that...but I don't beleive in any of those cults...just like the case down in Texas that was called "WACO"..and do you know what WACO stood for....here it is "We Ain't Coming Out"....and that's just what happened...alot didn't come out...

joker......everyone is entitled to say how and what they feel about their beliefs and that is what is happening here...everyone is saying what they think is right and so on and so on....but what it comes down to is...I don't feel I have to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE about my God....my God knows me and I know him and we have our own personal relationship...cause when I leave this world I know I will be in a better place....and until you can feel that feeling between you and your God and have a strong faith in your religion...nothing or anything that anyone tells you will make a difference...bottom line....I was taught at a early age to not argue with people about religion and politics and beleive me I have learned the hard way....cause everyone has their opinion of the topic and of course everyone whats to be right...and I am seeing so much in this forum how people don't agree on this subject...but than again...they are entitled to their opinon just like me....just like this thread...it will keep going on and on and on till someone  gives up....cause you are always going to have someone that thinks they are right and they are GOD...and can't be defeated...

I do not hate or dislike anyone on this thread even if I don't agree with their comments..it is a free world and everyone is entitled to do that...I just know where to draw the line with people...I guess you could say I am a peace maker....I do hope that at some point in time you do find the God that will help you to see things better and to understand and to find a faith that you can feel good about...cause I am sure you mean well in what you say and do and don't want to hurt people....I will keep you and everyone else on this thread and in this world in my prayers and pray that you all find peace and happiness in this world...Blue Angel

"Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible..."

I think all Joker17 is trying to say is that the multiplicity of human perceptions of what and/or who God is supports the position of the deist.  I am unable to defend atheism because, logically, it seems to me that our self-awareness requires that something beyond human-ness must exist.  But neither can I defend any of the anthropomorphic perceptions of God, such as the one espoused by Christians.  The Zen Buddhists have an interesting way of looking at things.

By the way, proponents of the Bible should be aware of their competition, with whom they share many beliefs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-EJBCPonw&NR=1

joker17

Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

Hearsay is not proof.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 10, 2011

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner joker.....  Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible...(and I love to read Revelations)...unless he is referring to different God's from different cults or something like that...but I don't beleive in any of those cults...just like the case down in Texas that was called "WACO"..and do you know what WACO stood for....here it is "We Ain't Coming Out"....and that's just what happened...alot didn't come out...

joker......everyone is entitled to say how and what they feel about their beliefs and that is what is happening here...everyone is saying what they think is right and so on and so on....but what it comes down to is...I don't feel I have to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE about my God....my God knows me and I know him and we have our own personal relationship...cause when I leave this world I know I will be in a better place....and until you can feel that feeling between you and your God and have a strong faith in your religion...nothing or anything that anyone tells you will make a difference...bottom line....I was taught at a early age to not argue with people about religion and politics and beleive me I have learned the hard way....cause everyone has their opinion of the topic and of course everyone whats to be right...and I am seeing so much in this forum how people don't agree on this subject...but than again...they are entitled to their opinon just like me....just like this thread...it will keep going on and on and on till someone  gives up....cause you are always going to have someone that thinks they are right and they are GOD...and can't be defeated...

I do not hate or dislike anyone on this thread even if I don't agree with their comments..it is a free world and everyone is entitled to do that...I just know where to draw the line with people...I guess you could say I am a peace maker....I do hope that at some point in time you do find the God that will help you to see things better and to understand and to find a faith that you can feel good about...cause I am sure you mean well in what you say and do and don't want to hurt people....I will keep you and everyone else on this thread and in this world in my prayers and pray that you all find peace and happiness in this world...Blue Angel

Thanx for wishing me well, and right back at you.

I don't hate believers, I really don't, despite the picture some people paint of me here. I hope the best for all kinds. But some here feel the need to contradict themselves by telling me not voice my opinion, yet they voice theirs in opposition to my voice....WHAT?....lol

Vision keeps telling me I'm disrespectful, but I'm only human, and can only repeat something so many times before I either just quit writing it over and over, or get angry in my writings. If I quit, then he calls me a chicken for running away. I'm not running away, I'm simply trying to avoid the whole thing because it's futile.

Then he wants me to believe his God is real because he's had words of knowledge from God about France for 3 years. I have no freaking idea what France has anything to do with this.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 10, 2011

Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

Hearsay is not proof.

there is a difference in a man like me,  and a man like you,  i can prove it ,  without it being "subjective"

i have an ongoing journal that i started back in aug of 08,  and while i have not tediously written in it everyday,  cataloging every minutia of "times" it happened,  whenever i entered a day i always wrote the words...

"still france everyday"

which means until that streak HAD been broken,  it was still congruent and unbroken.

what?   i suppose in your wishful thinking world that it wasn't true,  now you are going to rush to accuse me of manufacturing a journal with falsified entries.   that's about par for your desperation course.

takes me a L O N G time just to type.   i don't oppose you with enough veracity to sit down and write three years of "history" just to kick dust over you.

i have it.  3 years worth,  all archived pre conversation,  and something you will never be able to debate against it.

trouble is for you #2,  i have plenty of eyewitnesses to it's occurance as well,  and they can corroberate my story of it's duration of nearly 3 years.

see,  it's the usual,  you don't "believe",  not because their is "insufficient effidence" for belief,  you never wanted to believe,  so you make up lame excuse to sell it in here that you don't HAVE to believe.

if there is a God,  what kind of definition applies to a man when that happens?       a seeker?

 

it was established you couldn't back up your "undeniable proof" with a pic of a $1000 check, and that was after you told the board you sent the dude an email to challenge him.       you never did

i don't suffer from the same malady of "slitheroutthebackdooritis" when i make a claim.

i stand by them,  i stand up to them, and i make sure mine crosses the finish line sans steroids.   

just the facts.   facts that stand alone,  and are not afraid of the spotlight.

now you can watch and observe how a real man of positional strength acts,  when they make a claim.

it will be in my next post.   please excuse me for a moment will i jog over to my PM box.  back uno moMENTUS.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

this is the PM in it's entirety,  nothing deleted or added,  except for highlighting the date.

i did not includes todd's response because it was a private conversation  between todd and i,  and i have to honor the 'private' part of todd's response,  until i got his permission to post his response. 

but if you want your desperation to run amok (again),  please,  by all means,  ask todd to confirm (or deny) i had this conversation with him on this date.

the now truthful archived date establishes a timeline,  that i was at minimum on that page about this way back then.

my journal,  and eyewitness testimony as to it's never broken congruity are someting your gonna to have to manufature the most rediculous excuse" of your life.

go ahead,  entertain us all.

you won't bother asking todd for "conformation",  because you are afraid of the truthful answer

whether or not you choose to recognize a feat of this magnitude time wise is IMPOSSIBLE unless God was puling the strings behind the scenes of my life in order for it TO happen,   well that's your choice of delusion.

i handled my business,  and since it is still ongoing (with 3 'occurances' happening just today),  looks like my "business" has teeth.

a full set in pristine chewing condition

i don't feel bad,  i know these kinds of moments where God demonstrates He actually is alive isn't wasted on a guy like you.

guys like you throw jewels in the trash,  and prefer to stand on street corners hawking synpathetic diamonds instead

nope,  i allowed a peer into my life to build the faith of those that already believe,  and to provide a spark TO believe,  via an actual observable fact.

so joker,  what possible excuse can you come up with for your life now?

you cannot trump 3 years of ongoing evidence. 

that's the face of what "undeniable" looks like

 

 

— Previous Private Message —
Sent By: visiondude
Sent: July 28, 2009, 8:15 pm

hey todd,  i have a proposition for you,  as you remember from my time at LP that i am a huge proponent for God dealing with man on a personal level,  instead of just a "religious" experience.  I.E.,  that God "can" designate someone a lottery win,  should it fit into his plan FOR that persons life.   so,  with that in mind,  coupled with my previous claims that i have known in the past,  certain things that God was going to do in and thru my life BEFORE he did them,  and my public declaration  previously on LP that i "believe" this will be my destiny,  a certain set of circumstances have been in play which leads me to believe it could be "soon".   these kinds of precursor "hints"  prior to events happening in my life has only happened a handful of times in my life (+/-),  but with 100% accuracy - meaning i knew it WOULD happen,  told people it would, and it did.  with that in mind,  God has been dealing with me about "france".   something about france has come across my way EVERYDAY for the last 11 months.  everyday.  everyday,  without me manufacturing "possibilities",  God has shown me something about "france" without fail.  it is astounding.   to measure the odds of that happening,  pick out another country/subject matter and try and see if you hear or encounter anything about that one singular subject matter (that you have come up with),  and how many "days" that lasts.   everyday it has happened to me for 11 months.   we can control certain aspects of those things to "make it happen",  but not everyday for 11 months straight.  that's impossible,  and ONLY something God can do.  i tell you that to tell you this>  when "it" happens,  i want at least the option of going on LP and demonstrating (to those who ARE interested) that God really IS real,  and that God IS involved in EVERY aspect of our life (or wants to be).   not in the same "i told-you-so"  vein as what easy money pulled a while back,  because i am not an "i-told-you-so" kind of arrogant jerk.  it's a gift,  plain and simple, and can be removed by God from ones life just as fast as it was given.  i Do want the ability to compare from my LP archived posts that one CAN know God,  and sometimes what HE will do prior to doing it.   as of yet,  should it be true,  i haven't decided that i am going to publically come on LP about it,  but i am "positioning"  myself for it by telling you about it P.R.I.O.R.  to.   that way i have an unbiased ally who knew my claims PRIOR so as to validate my claim AFTER.   i will know post win if it is what i should do (come on LP),  or to keep it on the DL.   anyway,  you are the one i picked to know this info PRIOR.  if you can, save this private message between us so that you can post it should it happen,  and i decide to publically proclaim it on LP.........any questions??????

vision

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 10, 2011

Thanx for wishing me well, and right back at you.

I don't hate believers, I really don't, despite the picture some people paint of me here. I hope the best for all kinds. But some here feel the need to contradict themselves by telling me not voice my opinion, yet they voice theirs in opposition to my voice....WHAT?....lol

Vision keeps telling me I'm disrespectful, but I'm only human, and can only repeat something so many times before I either just quit writing it over and over, or get angry in my writings. If I quit, then he calls me a chicken for running away. I'm not running away, I'm simply trying to avoid the whole thing because it's futile.

Then he wants me to believe his God is real because he's had words of knowledge from God about France for 3 years. I have no freaking idea what France has anything to do with this.

  Well joker...I'm sorry to read that you are having this problem with people...and I am not trying to take your side or anyone else's either...but it looks to me like you just might have to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and let this go...cause this looks like it isn't going to end any time soon...so don't keep adding fuel to the fire...just let it go .......just be a man and walk away from it...don't subject yourself to this stuff...there is always someone that feels that they know it all or have the answers no matter what you say or do...Smiley

joker17

Not only does Vision have jouranls, but now claims to have testimonials from eyewitnesses about France, french, or paris....

Vision, are you competing with Ridge for the funniest guy on LP?...lol.....Green laugh

This is why I can't really get mad at you or Ridge because you both make me laugh. Ridge has a way of making me laugh with his wit. he tryly has a gift, but you also make me laugh because like in this case, I can't tell whether you're joking or not.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 10, 2011

Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

Hearsay is not proof.

"I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen"...

 au contraire,  what would you like to wager on it "not occuring" while you accompany me around?

your beer stash,  and your guitars?      that's a deal.   i can donate them to the.....i dunno....i will figure something out.

it's just the thought of having you go all in,  and we know for you "all in"  means you have to put up yur heineken and guitars

work out the details,   pay your own airfare and come hang out. 

you can't get wasted during your observational week.   you have to be clear minded so you report back to the board truthfully 

but,  since you slime out on your 'comittments',   if this little facetious scenario had a chance in paradise of ever happening,  i would have you sign an affadavit that you couldn't lie about it,   and that you would have to report it verbatim for howEVER it turns out

no way your going to agree to that even if this wasn't a facetious joke.

you won't even "travel" over to PM todd about all this to get your first "taste" of unbiased corroberation

that fact alone (that you won't)  is yet but another 'proof" of your collective undoing about you claiming you seek truth.

a true "truthseeker" would run to ask todd.

what do YOU do?   like you always do,   you head in the opposite direction

this time you rushed to the sporting goods store,  and spent money you really didn't have,  to buy the most expensive track shoes the store carries.

the ones in the back.  the ones the general public nevers see's.    the ones for "special occasions"

those

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

JOKER,  just be a man for once and live up to the things you start in here.

you cry and whine about perceived "inequities",  and then when someone like me offers up something tangible that *might* have teeth,  instead of dealing with it head on,  instead of debating it as to it's *validity*,   you create some sideshow diversion "ha ha" to keep FROM dealing with it.

say what you want,  embarrass yourself to the hilt,  but you still can't get passed an archived event.

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

i provided the dated conversation,  which is what men of position do

real men of strength of position keep their words and back up thier claims.

guys like you entertain their delusions,  freshening them up,  but this time,  it's gonna take you way more effort for you to 'convince yourself'  it hasn't happened

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 11, 2011

  Well joker...I'm sorry to read that you are having this problem with people...and I am not trying to take your side or anyone else's either...but it looks to me like you just might have to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and let this go...cause this looks like it isn't going to end any time soon...so don't keep adding fuel to the fire...just let it go .......just be a man and walk away from it...don't subject yourself to this stuff...there is always someone that feels that they know it all or have the answers no matter what you say or do...Smiley

But does this mean that everytime someone mentions how God did this or that for them, that I should shy away from responding for the sake of not adding fuel to the fire?

I believe I have a right to respond despite disagreement. I do this in every other subject deemed necessary that happens to come along, no matter what the subject. If someone says the odds are so and so in the "Systems Forum", and I disagree because of so and so, should I also not respond for the sake of not arguing?

If someone in the Lottery Discussion forum creates a a new thread about an author of a system they're seeking advice on. Should I simply avoid responding for the fear of a disagreement?

Where should I draw the line?

Why does every other subject have a free ride in debates, save religion?     Why?

If it's such a personal event in someone's life, then it should stay personal, but If the person doesn't think it's that personal and is comfortable sharing it on a public forum, then he or she should prepare themselves for opposing thoughts by others who are reading their thread.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

JOKER,  just be a man for once and live up to the things you start in here.

you cry and whine about perceived "inequities",  and then when someone like me offers up something tangible that *might* have teeth,  instead of dealing with it head on,  instead of debating it as to it's *validity*,   you create some sideshow diversion "ha ha" to keep FROM dealing with it.

say what you want,  embarrass yourself to the hilt,  but you still can't get passed an archived event.

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

i provided the dated conversation,  which is what men of position do

real men of strength of position keep their words and back up thier claims.

guys like you entertain their delusions,  freshening them up,  but this time,  it's gonna take you way more effort for you to 'convince yourself'  it hasn't happened

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

 

It's only factual If you can prove it. A discussion between two people is not proof. Sorry dude.

Put yourself In my place. If i told you I saw the word pumpernickle for 3 years straight, every single day either in my head or on television commercial flashes, or whatever, would you really take me seriously, with a straight face?

Seriously?

Now I know you're tugging my chain...Green laugh

joker17

Let me give you a little bit of advice Vision, publicly announcing events doesn't make it true.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i just thought of a brilliant way that i can prove my claims in a most unbiased way.

the internet is a beautiful thing,  accessing information from far away.

tell you what,  since i am not like you,  and like i stated,  i see my "claims" all the way to it's logical finish line,  what you can do to confirm my claims,  is you can pick an arbitrary place in sacramento calif,  search under that particular city,  and pick some place out randomly that i can go to,  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

i don't live near sacratomato,  but i don't mind traveling that far to back my claim up.

i told you,  i am a man of my word, a man who goes to the Nth degree (if i need to) to back up what i say.

you surely have the capability to report back in here to say "he failed to show"....if i don't.

you certainly have the ability to make this happen,  but we all know you won't.

because your not the man you claim you are,  and your afraid of the kind of man you know i am

or,   you could shock the whole board and make it happen.

you know i will

pick an unbiased 3rd party,  and then lets see if you still say it's "subjective and unprovable"

your not schicken of documented facts,  are you?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

did you run to smash the PM button to ask todd yet?

why is that,   your not afraid,  are you?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

i just thought of a brilliant way that i can prove my claims in a most unbiased way.

the internet is a beautiful thing,  accessing information from far away.

tell you what,  since i am not like you,  and like i stated,  i see my "claims" all the way to it's logical finish line,  what you can do to confirm my claims,  is you can pick an arbitrary place in sacramento calif,  search under that particular city,  and pick some place out randomly that i can go to,  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

i don't live near sacratomato,  but i don't mind traveling that far to back my claim up.

i told you,  i am a man of my word, a man who goes to the Nth degree (if i need to) to back up what i say.

you surely have the capability to report back in here to say "he failed to show"....if i don't.

you certainly have the ability to make this happen,  but we all know you won't.

because your not the man you claim you are,  and your afraid of the kind of man you know i am

or,   you could shock the whole board and make it happen.

you know i will

pick an unbiased 3rd party,  and then lets see if you still say it's "subjective and unprovable"

your not schicken of documented facts,  are you?

  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

 

What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

This is a joke right?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

 

It's only factual If you can prove it. A discussion between two people is not proof. Sorry dude.

Put yourself In my place. If i told you I saw the word pumpernickle for 3 years straight, every single day either in my head or on television commercial flashes, or whatever, would you really take me seriously, with a straight face?

Seriously?

Now I know you're tugging my chain...Green laugh

not between 2 people on one single occasion,  no,  not that moment in and of itself.

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

you know that one conversation,  one event,  does not come close to what i claim HAS happened,  and that is why i built a timeline to prove i had this going on at least from july 28th on.

  and now you now i have the ability to corroberate my story with actual observable ongoing occurances over time.

the collection of those unbroken facts tell the truth over a 3 year period.

i have written observable proof.

the icing on that cake,  is you aren't the only one i have ever told.

while i haven't shouted it on benny hinn's hit parade,  i have told a good gaggle of people,  even people who don't know God,  not just "Christians".

they know it's been 3 unbroken years.   they have observed it too

eyewitnesses trump your accusation (as usual) that this all a manufactured hoax

truth is,  you swallowed hard and bit your forked tongue when i produced just the PM with july 28th 2008 highlighted

you can throw your false bravado all around the room until you tire out and fall over in a sleep apnea frenzy,  but you know it's true.

you admitting it's beyond my manipulation,  that won't happen

harold camping will be right before you come to truth's table and pull up a chair to dine sumptuiously

just beer and guitars make poor "gods", joker

eventually they will turn against you Red Devil

Dee88's avatarDee88

  joker....     Yes...you do have a right to respond or disagree...and not have to be afraid to say anything to anyone...but when someone or more than one person  keeps coming back at your opinion than that's when you need to draw the line and let it be.....(if you can or what to)....

Somethings are personal to people and than again some people like to share somethings with people even if it is personal to them....hoping that someone isn't going to make a big deal about it and share the joy or sadness with them....

It's like some people have thin skin.. (if you know what I mean) and something they say or do just rubs some people the wrong way and before you know it...you have this blown out conversation going on....and than you have people that enjoy conversations like this and want to be the ring leader or the person in charge....so you take it for what ever it's worth....if you want to hang out with the big dogs and you don't have a problem with them...than go for it......in my opinion I don't give a flying crap what you do....just do it....and be happy....LOL...Life's to short to get caught up in conversation like this...and miss out in the good things in life.....unless this is your life.....Smiley

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 11, 2011

  joker....     Yes...you do have a right to respond or disagree...and not have to be afraid to say anything to anyone...but when someone or more than one person  keeps coming back at your opinion than that's when you need to draw the line and let it be.....(if you can or what to)....

Somethings are personal to people and than again some people like to share somethings with people even if it is personal to them....hoping that someone isn't going to make a big deal about it and share the joy or sadness with them....

It's like some people have thin skin.. (if you know what I mean) and something they say or do just rubs some people the wrong way and before you know it...you have this blown out conversation going on....and than you have people that enjoy conversations like this and want to be the ring leader or the person in charge....so you take it for what ever it's worth....if you want to hang out with the big dogs and you don't have a problem with them...than go for it......in my opinion I don't give a flying crap what you do....just do it....and be happy....LOL...Life's to short to get caught up in conversation like this...and miss out in the good things in life.....unless this is your life.....Smiley

If i stop responding, it shows weakness. As If i ran out of things to back up my claim.

I have no problem with people posting what God did for them, I just feel I have the right to respond without harrassment.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

not between 2 people on one single occasion,  no,  not that moment in and of itself.

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

you know that one conversation,  one event,  does not come close to what i claim HAS happened,  and that is why i built a timeline to prove i had this going on at least from july 28th on.

  and now you now i have the ability to corroberate my story with actual observable ongoing occurances over time.

the collection of those unbroken facts tell the truth over a 3 year period.

i have written observable proof.

the icing on that cake,  is you aren't the only one i have ever told.

while i haven't shouted it on benny hinn's hit parade,  i have told a good gaggle of people,  even people who don't know God,  not just "Christians".

they know it's been 3 unbroken years.   they have observed it too

eyewitnesses trump your accusation (as usual) that this all a manufactured hoax

truth is,  you swallowed hard and bit your forked tongue when i produced just the PM with july 28th 2008 highlighted

you can throw your false bravado all around the room until you tire out and fall over in a sleep apnea frenzy,  but you know it's true.

you admitting it's beyond my manipulation,  that won't happen

harold camping will be right before you come to truth's table and pull up a chair to dine sumptuiously

just beer and guitars make poor "gods", joker

eventually they will turn against you Red Devil

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

 

yes I'm familiar with this. The prosecutor has to find EVIDENCE to show his claims, not hearsay.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

 

What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

This is a joke right?

in your world,  when you clutch desperation and squeeze the life blood out of it?   no

but to a man actually LOOKING to validate truth,  you bet your permannet marker it does.

it will establish my claims as being trustworthy thru documented evidence.

a man truly interested in truth will connect those dots when the dots are connectable.

i demonstrated once again my willingness to back mine up,  and your offering your newest "reason" why it's bogus.

i keep coming,  and you keep running

and to think,  you had the magnitude of audacity to claim you are '"agnostic".

agnostics just by definition are seekers,  they are not excuse makers every chance they get

it's the perfect scenario for you to 'prove' they are nothing more than "delusional notes"

if it's the perfect scenario for you to demonstrate i am a nut,  then why am i running TO do it,  and you are running away  from it? 

something doesn't sound right in your choice of directional GPS

the journals will tell the truth,  though "delusional" in the opinion of some at face value,  me proving it HAS occured everyday for 3 years makes a person HAVE to choose "coincidence" or "God"

once again,  i step up,  and you head for the exit

that is a treasure trove for you,  some unbiased arbitrary person you can pick to prove your case.

your the guy that screams the loudest at LP,  while being the guy that has the smallest committment

you should pen a song about that,  and put it on youtube.

at least i will head to the marquee and not the exit

joker17

Just like you, the writers of the Bible wrote down the events that supposedly happened. And also like you, neither the Bible or any other religion has been able to prove their case without a shadow of a doubt.

Give it up Vision. Your pathetic attempt to prove your case by written documents fails miserably. You are among the multitudes who claim this and that. The Bible is rife with fantastic claims that haven't been proved, along with other books written by other delusional folks who really mean well, but are confused, misguided, and desperate for an answer.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

 

yes I'm familiar with this. The prosecutor has to find EVIDENCE to show his claims, not hearsay.

fine,  i can appreciate that.

would you like to lie to the board that i have produced "none" ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

fine,  i can appreciate that.

would you like to lie to the board that i have produced "none" ?

I already told you that providing testimonials is not proof. Anyone can write testimonials.

joker17

Vision, If you provide this info to a court of law as proof, they would close the case based on hearsay. No proof to back it up except that you told some people about this event. I can assure you that would not be sufficient evidence.

If someone who is accused in a murder case, and can supply an alibi worthy of the court and/or the Jury's scrutiny, then and only then will the defendant be excused of the crime, along with more evidence on top of that. 

In your case, telling a bunch of friends who share your beliefs is not acceptable.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

you watch too much area51 "documentaries",  where you should mete out your time a little more judiciously,  because now you have descended down the ladder into lying purposefully.

even you know within your lack of judge judy viewership that any "court" would weigh evidence on a collective scale.

i walk into a "courtroom",   i present my documents i have written with dates and times on them, i offer the PM to todd that validates my claim at least on that date forward,  and i produce several eyewitnesses who will testify under oath i continually tell them it's still happening, while each one systematically recalls "when" i first told them

a court scenario would only rule in my favor,  because i have evidence, and i can collect it and produce it to prove over time to prove what i said was true

collective over time evidence.   that's how justice systems arrive at the truth.

you remind me of those low life defense attorney's who will march into court to get a murderer off on "insufficient" evidence,  knowing full well they actually murdered people.

lying about the evidence,  doesn't make the evidence "disappear"

i made my case tonight,  and you did your usual schtick,  just don't drink yourself beyond recognition because you refuse the truth

you keep to this path,  you will drive yourself crazy (over time)

truth score tally tonight;

truth 2,419 points

joker 4 points

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

man up and earn your right to bloviate in here...

go ask todd,  at least that will show a semblance of "manhood"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

so i sign off of LP to spend time with the wifey,  we talk for a bit,  then i pick up a magazine i got in the mail yesterday to look thru it.

it's a magazine that was not ordered by me,  it is for a different family member. 

it has nothing to do with travel,  or anything remotely related to anything aimed toward being "france friendly" to make it easier to stumble onto to something,  but lo and behold,  there was a pic of the eiffel tower, with a small blurb about france.

i could pick up a bike magazine,  and you can just about bet all your pork bellies there will always be something about "france" or "tour de france" in that.

this magazine,  you wouldn't expect it

look at the time date stamp between this post,  and the last one one prior to this post.

it didn't take that long before i came across something totally beyond my control.

i cannot "manufacture" a pic of the eiffel tower,  it occured without my "help"

that's what i mean,  this has been happening to me beyond my control to "make it happen" everyday for nearly 3 years.

go ahead and write it off to coincidence,  trouble is joker,  even if you did walk around with me and observe my life for 24 hr stretches,  and these things did occur,  you would still lie to yourself

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

jimmy4164

Perfecttiming2 says,

"So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

'God won't see the distinction when the day comes'

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)"

... which leaves me no choice but to quote myself:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092017

"I think all Joker17 is trying to say is that the multiplicity of human perceptions of what and/or who God is supports the position of the deist.  I am unable to defend atheism because, logically, it seems to me that our self-awareness requires that something beyond human-ness must exist.  But neither can I defend any of the anthropomorphic perceptions of God, such as the one espoused by Christians.  The Zen Buddhists have an interesting way of looking at things.

By the way, proponents of the Bible should be aware of their competition, with whom they share many beliefs..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-EJBCPonw&NR=1

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 11, 2011

Perfecttiming2 says,

"So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

'God won't see the distinction when the day comes'

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)"

... which leaves me no choice but to quote myself:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092017

"I think all Joker17 is trying to say is that the multiplicity of human perceptions of what and/or who God is supports the position of the deist.  I am unable to defend atheism because, logically, it seems to me that our self-awareness requires that something beyond human-ness must exist.  But neither can I defend any of the anthropomorphic perceptions of God, such as the one espoused by Christians.  The Zen Buddhists have an interesting way of looking at things.

By the way, proponents of the Bible should be aware of their competition, with whom they share many beliefs..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-EJBCPonw&NR=1

--Jimmy4164

"... which leaves me no choice but to quote myself:..."

Yeah, as if there's anything you'd rather do. LOL

 

I'd suggest a new name for you but Blowhard is already taken.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 11, 2011

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

"What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!"

 

Ouch, indeed. It's clear that you're ignorant of, and have apparently chosen to remain an uneducated person in regards to, the origins and meaning of both words.

"Ignoramus"  as a modern English word comes from the 1615 play of that title and is much different than the original Latin word. The original Latin  ignoramus comes from the root "ignore" and simply means "we do not know".

Though derived from Greek origins, "agnostic" is not a Greek word and has no Latin counterpart. It is a modern English word coined by Thomas Huxley in the late 1800's from "agnostos".  Agnostos, like many Greek words uses the "a"  to negate the meaning of the root, "gnostos".  Gnostos means known or knowable, and agnostos simply means unknown or unknowable. Regardless of being derived from the original Greek meaning, the new word has it's own meaning. Huxley's original usage was to describe his philosphy that observable evidence was required for legitimate knowledge and that spiritual or mystical "knowledge" could not really be known.  In modern usage it simply means one who believes that  absolute knowlwdge about any number of subjects, including the existence of god(s), is unknowable.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jun 11, 2011

"What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!"

 

Ouch, indeed. It's clear that you're ignorant of, and have apparently chosen to remain an uneducated person in regards to, the origins and meaning of both words.

"Ignoramus"  as a modern English word comes from the 1615 play of that title and is much different than the original Latin word. The original Latin  ignoramus comes from the root "ignore" and simply means "we do not know".

Though derived from Greek origins, "agnostic" is not a Greek word and has no Latin counterpart. It is a modern English word coined by Thomas Huxley in the late 1800's from "agnostos".  Agnostos, like many Greek words uses the "a"  to negate the meaning of the root, "gnostos".  Gnostos means known or knowable, and agnostos simply means unknown or unknowable. Regardless of being derived from the original Greek meaning, the new word has it's own meaning. Huxley's original usage was to describe his philosphy that observable evidence was required for legitimate knowledge and that spiritual or mystical "knowledge" could not really be known.  In modern usage it simply means one who believes that  absolute knowlwdge about any number of subjects, including the existence of god(s), is unknowable.

Thank you for Huxley's opinion.

But because Huxley deigns something unknowable to him doesn't mean it's unknowable to anybody else.

Maybe Huxley was just what a lot of people said he was.

An arrogant dope.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 11, 2011

Thank you for Huxley's opinion.

But because Huxley deigns something unknowable to him doesn't mean it's unknowable to anybody else.

Maybe Huxley was just what a lot of people said he was.

An arrogant dope.

you know, with modern technology and all,  it's just a crying shame that the steve job's of the world cannot design texting that works in eternity,  and then huxley could give us his unbiased opinion.

shoot,  depending on location restrictions,  huxley could tap into WIFI and go to "ineedafireextinguisherquick.com"

but that's just a facetious assumption on my part,  because people that notoriously mock God most of their breathing days,  are also notorious for death bed "just in case" conversions.

they act all brave until right before the dirt nap

huxley's "opinion" is far more important now,  now that he has had time to ponder it

"once a man dies,  the collective bargaining ends"

1st visiondude 2:7

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

hey joker,  so i get up and cruise the internet to look at sites i always do everyday,  one of which is ajc.com

i read the atlanta journal constipation everyday,  because i use to live there.

wouldn't you know it,  a reference to "france" in the bottom left hand portion of the home page under the obits

coinciDUNCE?  it would be,  if i just had this conversation with you yesterday,  and it happened today.

that's what's called in personal science experiment circles as a "coinkadink"

but not when it's happened unbroken everyday for nearly 3 years

since you can't think straight for yourself at times,  i offered you the ability to take this out for a test drive yourself

your the one that keeps screaming about "proof",  and proofs that center around science and math,  etc.

this is totally up your alley,  the "odds game".

go ahead,  you won't strain a muscle.   no animals will be harmed in your personal exercise thereof.

you pick a like subject matter,  and see how many congruent days it comes your way by stumbling across it during the course of your day.

shoot,  it won't cost you money,  so you can't wuss out based on that excuse.

you won't even do this,  despite years of personal protestation "it's not true",  when you actualy ARE presented with an ability to test drive it and weigh it against the odds to observe the origin thereof.

 YOU RUN THE OTHER WAY

 which brings me back to my ongoing reason why i put you thru the washing machine truth cleaners,  is that you are SNOT the least bit interested in what is true,  you are ONLY interested in making it "not true".

that's not a "seeker"

that's a "destroyer"

 tell you what,  i am a fair guy,  find a subject matter that parallels "france" in capability standards,  and if you go a full week of observance everyday straight in a row,  i will send you a 6 pack of heineken.

there is no boobie prize for you if it only lasts 3 days.

keep in mind,  mine has lasted nearly 3 years

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

you guys do realize my eventual goal is to demonstrate God is real,  and that He loves you, He is not "against you".

that He has a plan for your life that far exceeds the places,  avenues and "accomplishments" your intelligence could ever take you.

sometimes in the course of having to defend against the "destroyers of faith",  my goal doesn't get it's marquee face time it deserves.

it just did...

...vision

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i assistant coach a baseball team,  and no,  we dont pray before the game,  i have very rarely ever mentioned "God" while coaching,  nor do we have a poster size picture of Jesus in the dugout, but...

....today while we were up to bat,  one of our players struck out,  and on his way back to the dugout,  he mutters something indecipherable (from a distance),  and the kid on deck blurts out...

 "man,  that sounded like he said something in french".

looks like God is kinda making sure joker doesn't have the luxury of writing it off as a "koinkadink"

but,  joker will come back in this thread,  and claim i made that kid do it jeff dunham dummy style, or some other lame excuse.

i wouldn't dare make fun of a "seeker",  they don't derserve it.

but someone who mocks God,  whose intent is not to weigh things out,  but to excuse things away for sport,  that person 'deserves' their intent to be highlighted

you can write off that it's a coincidence,  you can even claim i am lying about it happening everyday,  but the truth is....

.....it has. 

everyday      ------>  for nearly 3 years.

shoot,  i even documented an event so you can see for yourselves,  on todays AJC.com

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 11, 2011

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

i assistant coach a baseball team,  and no,  we dont pray before the game,  i have very rarely ever mentioned "God" while coaching,  nor do we have a poster size picture of Jesus in the dugout, but...

....today while we were up to bat,  one of our players struck out,  and on his way back to the dugout,  he mutters something indecipherable (from a distance),  and the kid on deck blurts out...

 "man,  that sounded like he said something in french".

looks like God is kinda making sure joker doesn't have the luxury of writing it off as a "koinkadink"

but,  joker will come back in this thread,  and claim i made that kid do it jeff dunham dummy style, or some other lame excuse.

i wouldn't dare make fun of a "seeker",  they don't derserve it.

but someone who mocks God,  whose intent is not to weigh things out,  but to excuse things away for sport,  that person 'deserves' their intent to be highlighted

you can write off that it's a coincidence,  you can even claim i am lying about it happening everyday,  but the truth is....

.....it has. 

everyday      ------>  for nearly 3 years.

shoot,  i even documented an event so you can see for yourselves,  on todays AJC.com

You really need serious help. The only thing I ask you is when you go see the doctor, please don't tell him you see or hear things that are related to France on a daily basis. He will kick you out of his office, or let you stay but charge you much more money.

You know Vision, you used to annoy me, but with this whole French thing lateley, it's somewhat entertaining. Thanx for the laughs.

BTW, today is the 2nd day in a row I saw the word "Pumpernickle". I think God is trying to tell me something. Maybe I should move to Germany.....Eek

Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Ummmmm, someone is knocking back quite a few tonight, so I hereby rescind my offer  to pay the bet in beer.

I don't want to end up being an accessory to your crime.

Anyway, I am in the arden fair mall, and awhile ago I walked by a rosetta stone booth.

You guessed it..."france".

However,  that doesn't count, because the occurances cannot repeat, they must me unique and a once only occurance to count.

Doubling up is cheating on this validation scale.

Now you see its even MORE difficult for it TO occur.

Glad you have 2 days in a row, but you can't even go a week

are you still.writing it all off to a "coincidence" ?

you STILL wussed out of asking Todd to validate that PM, so you can't accuse me of lying fabrication.

you being afraid of just that reveals the kind of man you really are

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

Ummmmm, someone is knocking back quite a few tonight, so I hereby rescind my offer  to pay the bet in beer.

I don't want to end up being an accessory to your crime.

Anyway, I am in the arden fair mall, and awhile ago I walked by a rosetta stone booth.

You guessed it..."france".

However,  that doesn't count, because the occurances cannot repeat, they must me unique and a once only occurance to count.

Doubling up is cheating on this validation scale.

Now you see its even MORE difficult for it TO occur.

Glad you have 2 days in a row, but you can't even go a week

are you still.writing it all off to a "coincidence" ?

you STILL wussed out of asking Todd to validate that PM, so you can't accuse me of lying fabrication.

you being afraid of just that reveals the kind of man you really are

Believe me, I think there's something to what you're saying. I'm starting a journal as of now. I will keep you updated and hope that tomorrow I'll see the word "pumpernickle" one more time, and hopefully the next day and so on.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 12, 2011

Believe me, I think there's something to what you're saying. I'm starting a journal as of now. I will keep you updated and hope that tomorrow I'll see the word "pumpernickle" one more time, and hopefully the next day and so on.

most excellant

may i help you to make this even easier on you,  to stack the odds farther in your favor to give yourself the most optimum chance of an occurance streak?

'france' is far more common than "pumperknickel",  and pumperknickel has a much lower probability factor attached to it far as it's ability to occur.

i would much rather see you pick a word that is more common,  and yet obscure just enough that you can't expect to see it in the course of everyday life.

do as you wish,  but i would rather help you  toward the 'success' of this,  because all that will do is solidify my claim,  that it's origin of orchaestration comes from God,  and not pure chance / coincidence,  containing a zero probability factor of occuring conguently everyday for 3 years straight.

i must however defend my positional strength that you no longer have the ability to accuse me of just delusional granduer.

i provided proof of a timeline reaching as far back as july 28th 2009

i offered the ability for you to observe my chronological written documents dating backwards to my original claim of the events oroginating back as far as aug 2008

i provided varifiable proof that it happened today ....via the ajc.com  website

so,  you can only accuse someone of something that never happened.

the only thing you have left after the varifiable prroofs i have offered,  is to call me a liar, in regards to my claim it's happened everyday since aug 2008

are you willing to pubilically call me a liar ?

don't be afraid,  i am not the sensitive type when it comes to this arena of life

in order to live within a position of strength in life,  you can't go around and call an adversary names that don't apply to the facts of what you are debating, just because you don't like the subject matter,  or the "opponent"

your only "exit" out of this is to prove i am lying

mayhem's avatarmayhem

There is no belief without non-belief. There is no good without evil. Evil must thank Good for its existence and vice verssa. 

 

Athiesm was always part of the plan. Just as a spirituality has been part of mans history from the beginning. The fact that the "stories" in the Bible are predated means nothing and is a needless distraction. 

 

Evolution of the church and our belief systems was even mentioned in the bible. Nothing is static in nature and niether should our beleifs be. Ever wonder why there are very few (2?) descriptions of Jesus in the bible? That was purposeful so he could be adapted to different cultures. 

 

The best evidence for his existence is our existence. Only more nothing comes from nothing. Why/how is anything here? Take the code the governs us. Is this really the result of a random spark of chance that is still perfecting and perpetuating itslef? Where there is code, there is always a programmer.

jimmy4164

Could we call a TIME-OUT here?

It's really frustrating to watch decent people sniping away at each other because they happen to have different ideas about the concept of God.  Ironically, the human beings upon whose teachings [at least] two of the major religions were founded had a lot in common and would be saddened by such discourse.  Surely you've heard the critiques of Islam and Christianity that basically claim the followers of Jesus and Muhammad who finalized the Bible and the Quran diverged significantly from the actual teachings and examples set by the men themselves when they lived.  Whether you are inclined to believe that or not...

...do you think you could take a few minutes to read the Editorial Reviews at Amazon of a book that compares and contrasts Jesus and Buddha?

(At least read the first one!)

The title is Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers.

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Home-Jesus-Buddha-Brothers/dp/1573228303

Here is a short bio of the author, Thich Nhat Hanh.

http://www.amazon.com/Thich-Nhat-Hanh/e/B000AP5YRY/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

I hope that reading this helps to calm people down a little here, and see that they really may not disagree as much as they think they do...

--Jimmy4164

P.S.  There's even a reference to something visiondude is currently interested in, and it starts with the letter "F!"


visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by mayhem on Jun 12, 2011

There is no belief without non-belief. There is no good without evil. Evil must thank Good for its existence and vice verssa. 

 

Athiesm was always part of the plan. Just as a spirituality has been part of mans history from the beginning. The fact that the "stories" in the Bible are predated means nothing and is a needless distraction. 

 

Evolution of the church and our belief systems was even mentioned in the bible. Nothing is static in nature and niether should our beleifs be. Ever wonder why there are very few (2?) descriptions of Jesus in the bible? That was purposeful so he could be adapted to different cultures. 

 

The best evidence for his existence is our existence. Only more nothing comes from nothing. Why/how is anything here? Take the code the governs us. Is this really the result of a random spark of chance that is still perfecting and perpetuating itslef? Where there is code, there is always a programmer.

"The fact that the "stories" in the Bible are predated means nothing and is a needless distraction". 

the predation of the bible means everything.

the bible throughout it's historical run has always distanced itself from being assigned as 'just another chronicle' of history.

the internal flow of the bible seeks to fulfill the claim that it was inspired by God,  thru the recordations of mans experiences.

the only way the bible could ever make the internal claim it does, and valiDATE it,  is by it's predated prophetic flow.

otherwise,  it's just a book of the history of mens lives / experience,  no different than any other book in history.

someone with a better knowledge of fulfilled scripture evidently made the claim Jesus Christ fulfilled somewhere around 300 prophecies just Himself.

that feat can only occur if the "fulfillment"  was  pre dated

aside from Christ,  the self fulfilling documents have included the recordation of dates,  followed by the fulfillment thereof.

israel becoming a nation comes to mind,  as the bible predicted that hundreds of years prior

future tense,  predation "predicted" the future of technology before it was invented,  a feat impossible to claim unless dates where attached to it.

like i have been "debating" with joker,  "fulfillment" is merely subjective,  until it is collective and congruent,  a feat observable within the text itself,   sans "biased" observance.

it was a long winded explanation as that was,  pre dating is everything with these kinds of stakes attached

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

in keeping with my "comittment" to joker,  so he can't fabricate the "origin" .........of my origin, 

i was watching a show i had recorded on the dvr about the new NY ink show tonight.

started watching it and a few minutes into it,  2 guys working in the shop are discussing the shops largesse, etc,  and one of them comented on the floor tiles, that they were expensive and imported.

the other guy says "they are from france"

don't believe me?   check it out yourself.    it's the new NY ink show on TLC.  the shows air date 6/02/11

when he said that,  i looked at the clock.   it was 12:02am.

semi ho hum significant,  in that when i measure a "day" during the observation process,  a "day" constitutes 12am to 12am.

it has to occur at least once within that frametime to count,  in order for it to be validated as happening congruently everyday.

it has to be a one off first time non repeatable event.  (no going to the refrigerator and grabbing a bottle of french's mustard and claiming an "ah hah"). 

one a day at minimum,  original,  or it doesn't count.

when are one of you guys that handle math proficiently ever going to remind joker of the odds of that occuring everyday for nearly 3 years ?

i would love to see that decimate the decimal system up close and personal.

any takers?

anyway,  at 12:02 starters gun,  i am off and running already on sunday,  having already been witness to the first apperance thereof.

2 minutes into the day,   so any other "occurances" just make me laugh.

2 minutes into the day.  ummm.  nice, God,  nice that i can cruise the rest of the day.

lets face it,  God sometimes likes to deal out the cards "last minute".....just so we will trust Him to do what He says He will on time.

been on the receiving end of last minute "concerns" a bazillion times (slight exaggeration),   but never once have i ever witnessed God not doing what He said he would do,  before He told me He would.

this france thing isn't my first rodeo,  but it's certainly the most prolific.

i have a suspicion as to what it means,  but not unlike God,  and how He chooses to mete out His plans, He hasn't fully filled in the blanks on the "france thing".

trust.   trust is a key component to intimacy with God.         (in any relationship worth anything really)

wherever He leads with this...i trust Him, and i will follow AND adjust to whatever He decides.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 12, 2011

Could we call a TIME-OUT here?

It's really frustrating to watch decent people sniping away at each other because they happen to have different ideas about the concept of God.  Ironically, the human beings upon whose teachings [at least] two of the major religions were founded had a lot in common and would be saddened by such discourse.  Surely you've heard the critiques of Islam and Christianity that basically claim the followers of Jesus and Muhammad who finalized the Bible and the Quran diverged significantly from the actual teachings and examples set by the men themselves when they lived.  Whether you are inclined to believe that or not...

...do you think you could take a few minutes to read the Editorial Reviews at Amazon of a book that compares and contrasts Jesus and Buddha?

(At least read the first one!)

The title is Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers.

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Home-Jesus-Buddha-Brothers/dp/1573228303

Here is a short bio of the author, Thich Nhat Hanh.

http://www.amazon.com/Thich-Nhat-Hanh/e/B000AP5YRY/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

I hope that reading this helps to calm people down a little here, and see that they really may not disagree as much as they think they do...

--Jimmy4164

P.S.  There's even a reference to something visiondude is currently interested in, and it starts with the letter "F!"


haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance.

i read where the guy said the author hanh stated he considers it a waste of time to discuss "whether God is a person or not a person"....

i bet he does.

Historical Christianity,  it's teaching,  it's history,   it's core values,  all center around a person, it contains zero desire to be relegated into being just another "way of life",  seeking to co-exist shoulder to shoulder with other "ways of life" based on an "everythings equal" playground.

Christianity seeks to exclude itself from the pack,  by being personal,  with a personal God

without the designation of God being a living breathing personal entity,  there is no "Christianity".

by hahn steering the discussion in directions like those,  He accomplishes his goal of stripping away the authority of God over His creation by an impersonal hands off approach,  and Christianity is 180 degree's opposite from that.

i can see the "can't we all just get along" vibe being viable,  but only to a point.

at some point,  any Christian who understands historical Christianity,  knows it's impossible to relegate Christianity as just another means of "good living".

when that begins to happen,  a line gets drawn in the sand.

it is my goal as a Christian to get along with every human being,  irregardless of beliefs.   that is what i am commanded to do.

but i am also commanded to obey God over man,  especially during the attempted dilution process of turning a personal God down to just a "way of life"

at some point,  i could not become an accessory to that crime,  just for the sake of "understanding"

at some point,  a Christian will have to pick the absolutes of God being personal and authoratative over His creation,  far before they can have an "understanding" between others that includes ditching the "personal" out of the equation.

Christianity was never "a good way to live",  nor will it ever evolve into that.

it's a byproduct that becomes that,  but only as an addendum to living circumspectly before a God who is personal first

anyone that can accomplish that feat (making God "impersonal")   gets to be their own rule maker,  because then it becomes wildly chaotic,  and subjective from person to person,  removing the "authoratative" aspect.

Jesus Christ claimed to be THE way,  not "a way".     

when He solidified that claim,  it effectively eliminated my responsibility to agree with hanh on that level.

initually for the sake of respect, yes.

but the eventuality of it all,  not a chance

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

Hi Joker17,

Hope you have a great day and a great a week.

Take care and God Bless.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

You really need serious help. The only thing I ask you is when you go see the doctor, please don't tell him you see or hear things that are related to France on a daily basis. He will kick you out of his office, or let you stay but charge you much more money.

You know Vision, you used to annoy me, but with this whole French thing lateley, it's somewhat entertaining. Thanx for the laughs.

BTW, today is the 2nd day in a row I saw the word "Pumpernickle". I think God is trying to tell me something. Maybe I should move to Germany.....Eek

Green laugh

According to Dan Brown, Mary Magdalene took hers and Jesus' kids to France so it's possible there is some significants. Or we could ask the nice people in the Mystical forum which pick-3 and pick-4 dream numbers to play for France.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

well,  you can tell that's an historical lie,  of historical proportions.

inflated fiction writers,  and their inflammatory "facts"  for profit. 

Jesus never had children,  because He was never married.

and despite the just for immediate fun and games of our society,  Jesus never had sex.

He would have obeyed the edicts of Gods word about sex.        none outside of marriage

not exactly hollywood "friendly" on either the book or movie level

one things for sure,  dan brown is snot a "historian"

joker17

All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 12, 2011

haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance.

i read where the guy said the author hanh stated he considers it a waste of time to discuss "whether God is a person or not a person"....

i bet he does.

Historical Christianity,  it's teaching,  it's history,   it's core values,  all center around a person, it contains zero desire to be relegated into being just another "way of life",  seeking to co-exist shoulder to shoulder with other "ways of life" based on an "everythings equal" playground.

Christianity seeks to exclude itself from the pack,  by being personal,  with a personal God

without the designation of God being a living breathing personal entity,  there is no "Christianity".

by hahn steering the discussion in directions like those,  He accomplishes his goal of stripping away the authority of God over His creation by an impersonal hands off approach,  and Christianity is 180 degree's opposite from that.

i can see the "can't we all just get along" vibe being viable,  but only to a point.

at some point,  any Christian who understands historical Christianity,  knows it's impossible to relegate Christianity as just another means of "good living".

when that begins to happen,  a line gets drawn in the sand.

it is my goal as a Christian to get along with every human being,  irregardless of beliefs.   that is what i am commanded to do.

but i am also commanded to obey God over man,  especially during the attempted dilution process of turning a personal God down to just a "way of life"

at some point,  i could not become an accessory to that crime,  just for the sake of "understanding"

at some point,  a Christian will have to pick the absolutes of God being personal and authoratative over His creation,  far before they can have an "understanding" between others that includes ditching the "personal" out of the equation.

Christianity was never "a good way to live",  nor will it ever evolve into that.

it's a byproduct that becomes that,  but only as an addendum to living circumspectly before a God who is personal first

anyone that can accomplish that feat (making God "impersonal")   gets to be their own rule maker,  because then it becomes wildly chaotic,  and subjective from person to person,  removing the "authoratative" aspect.

Jesus Christ claimed to be THE way,  not "a way".     

when He solidified that claim,  it effectively eliminated my responsibility to agree with hanh on that level.

initually for the sake of respect, yes.

but the eventuality of it all,  not a chance

"haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance."

I think you missed it...

In this short treatise, Vietnamese Buddhist monk Hanh continues the ecumenical dialogue he began in 1995's Living Buddha, Living Christ. The chapters evolved from talks he gave at Plum Village, Hanh's Buddhist retreat center located in the heart of Christian France.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

This is a Taoist symbol, not Buddhist

 

Just curious about the change in avatar and a post about a Buddhist monk.

The Buddhist symbol is a wheel.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 13, 2011

This is a Taoist symbol, not Buddhist

 

Just curious about the change in avatar and a post about a Buddhist monk.

The Buddhist symbol is a wheel.

Putting up my YinYang avatar was not a reference to Buddhism.  To many people it represents harmony and give and take, which I thought the thread was lacking.  You'll see it receive attention in Feng Shui as well.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Got it.

In the sense that "timing is everything" I just thought it odd to see that avatar with that post.

Kind of like saying one teams' infield is the best in the majors and then showing the logo of a different team.

Scared

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 12, 2011

All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

i was thinking of that yesterday,  the "familiarity quotient",  just because you naturally have a heightened sense of an awareness about something when something does come across your path.

irregardless that it is more noticeable,  in and of itself it is not the means for qualification.

not yet anyway

the only possiblity where it leaps over the line from 'coincidence' and a 'ah hum" scenario that starts to get your attention to seek credibility,  is time.

time strectched out over a long enough period where you can'T write it off to 'coincidence' any longer.

time AND consistentcy,  where if you are going to add things up on the "what's fair" in life,  while eliminating the emotional factor of "wanting it to be true",   time and consistentcy are the true allies that posssess the ability to decipher that.

at some point,  you have to cut emotion completely out,  otherwise it's reduced to mere subjectiveness.

given at least that admission,  that it has happened "enough" to remove the "oh i am just more keenly aware of it now,  to   really,  it's not just a coincidence any longer",  then that's where you cross the line to believability.

a personal note about myself, and this arena,   this stuff has happened to me on several occasions in my life.   not alot,  but several times over the years.  and each time the "methodology" is the same.

uninvited repetiveness over time .

  enough to where i noticed it because it got my attention, ,  i started to immediately decide that "IF" it was something that repeated over time enough,  that i would adjust to it,  and pursue after it with whatever filtering knowledge about it came my way,  and i would see it thru to the end.

  everytime this has happened to me,  i have experienced a 100% track record of the "occurances" coming to pass.

(except 2)

even more important, is that while i am willing to adjust to when i think something is brewing,  and the natural inclination is to be "looking for it",  still the LAST THING i ever want on the resume of my life is that i chased things that were never to be.

that's why you see me hawk bumper stickers at LP that say buy "1QP ticket and let it go". 

 if you are meant to, you will.  if you aren't,  it doesn't matter how many tickets you buy.

i just have this thing where i want to be a "doer",  but not at the cost of chasing something that won't happen anyway.

that gives me a great luxury within these little scenario's,  so that i am not emotionally driven,  that now just because i "see things" repetitively speaking,  i don't just run with the ball,  and make something out of it that it is not. 

that's a total waste of time.

believe me,  for my life,  i need to make sure that i don't waste my time,  and even though it's happened rediculously so,  i still make sure i take my hands off it as much as possible,  like going TO look for it.

i could make it happen,  if i wanted.   all i need to do is go to repeat occurances,  and "claim" that counts for today.

i could go in my freezer and pull out the french toast container once a day.   that's not a validation.  that's self manufacturing.

it is imperative that the more i do NOTHING, and just live my life,  i don't  make anything to happen, the more eveident it is God,  and not just coincidence.

one thing i will do is do whatever i can to make it more difficult.   that's why you see me consistently do odds stacking.

i live for the odds being stacked against me,  because God is more clearly recogonized in my life that way.

if it is God,  it is  His responbility to insure it does happen,  and the only way i can differentiate that over time,   is watching it occur by completely stubling across it during the course of my day.

just like you did.   like that

you didn't say anthing about "pumperknickle".   i am guessing your "streak" stopped at 2 days,  yes?

i told you though,  you can up the odds of this,  in fact,  i prefer you do.   make it as "common" as you can make it,  to give it the best chance.   but remember,  it needs to be just obscure enough.

this 'occurance' discussion parallels the only reason i am at LP,  because the same methodology about "france" is the same methodology that has been occuring to me over the span of 13 (+/-)  years.

obviously that hasn't come to pass,  and it (the lottery)  hasn't had the crazy voracity of 3 years everyday in a row happening (like france has) ,  but "enough" where i crossed the line from "ok, this has my attention,  to "ok,  now i have to buy a ticket and position myself for it,  because it's eventually going to"

when it comes to my personal lottery pursuit,  i have made 100% sure my "pursuit" is not emotionally driven. 

i wouldn't even be in here if i didn't believe that someday when the timing becomes perfect, i am 'meant to'.

when i mentioned all the previous rodeo's i have been thru on this level,  and all of them have come to pass, "except 2"...

that's the "lottery" and france" issues.    other then the "pending" issues,  all the others that have come to pass leads me to believe it's just a matter of time.

hey,  who is to say "france" would end up being something that benefits me,  or enhances my comfort level when people try and project this stuff out?

God has never been "specific" about france with me.   what if He did this,  only to ask me something i REALLY don't want to do,  and that's why he has done this to a rediculous level,  to make sure there is no question He has asked me to do it?

it's not like He has had to do this on any where near this level in the past to get me to come to the table,  i always have.

but the incessant aspect of this means whatever "it" becomes......i have NO choice,  i HAVE to do it

truthfully speaking, that does make me a little nervous.  i will do it whatever "it" is.

i serve Him,  He does not serve me,  and if that's a true statement,  i will

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

"haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance."

I think you missed it...

In this short treatise, Vietnamese Buddhist monk Hanh continues the ecumenical dialogue he began in 1995's Living Buddha, Living Christ. The chapters evolved from talks he gave at Plum Village, Hanh's Buddhist retreat center located in the heart of Christian France.

no, i did totally get that.

i read the references,  and saw that ("france")

thanks for noting it,  jimmy

vision

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

another DVRed event i taped earlier and just got around to watching,

the iron man world chapionships from clearwater FL.

i like to ride road bikes,  so i taped it because they guys have the best of the best triathalon road bikes

while some dude was transitioning from his ride into the area where he would park his bike,  so he can put on his shoes for the run,  he crashes his bike just as he is getting off of it.

anyway,  the dude was from france........  ( sylvain sudri )

he had a DNF after that to end his day.        a little too much "chin music" on the pavement

he had what looked like a #4  on his arm in permanent marker

like,  how many people from france come to race in iron man tri's anyway ?

i lost count,   but i think that's 3 days in a row per my claim

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 13, 2011

another DVRed event i taped earlier and just got around to watching,

the iron man world chapionships from clearwater FL.

i like to ride road bikes,  so i taped it because they guys have the best of the best triathalon road bikes

while some dude was transitioning from his ride into the area where he would park his bike,  so he can put on his shoes for the run,  he crashes his bike just as he is getting off of it.

anyway,  the dude was from france........  ( sylvain sudri )

he had a DNF after that to end his day.        a little too much "chin music" on the pavement

he had what looked like a #4  on his arm in permanent marker

like,  how many people from france come to race in iron man tri's anyway ?

i lost count,   but i think that's 3 days in a row per my claim

The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Jun 13, 2011

The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

gamermom, if you believe in the "law of attraction",  that fine,  but the particular scenario that is happening to me currently,  or the others that have happened to me previously,  have nothing to do whatsoever with the law of attraction.

for me,  all i do is live my life while making it a priority to be obedient to Christ,  knowing He has a specific plan for my life.

because i am well aware of that,  and i am willing to adjust to whatever He brings my way to let me know what that is, i always recognize when He is speaking to me by using the circumstances of my life around me.

God takes each individual and uses different "methodologies" to get our attention.

but the premise of that,  whether it is from God or not,  is if it mirrors biblical priniciples during the course of observance and pursuit.   if it takes a "detour" from biblical principles AT ALL,  it's not of God,  and not to be pursued that way.

the "how" of how this is occuring to me,  may or may not happen to another individual the way it does to me.

that is what's fantastic about God,  is the personal aspect.   he tailor's His will to each individual,  thereby eliminating the notion we falsely seem to run to....."hey,  it worked for him,  now i am going to do the same thing,  so it HAS to work for me".

that does not work.

take for instance the lottery,  for most people,  it is just not in thier "cards",  and you can do everything verbatim the other person did who won,  and not experience the same result.

accurately speaking,  when it comes to the individual will of God for man,  you are either "meant to,  or you are not",  and no amount of "attracting" methods will work.   

everyone has to get off of the notion that winning a lottery is some level of validation,  that you have "arrived".

while money does make one more comfortable,  it is not what matters in life on the qulaification scale of what does matter.

in the "i am meant to" scenario,  no one is then "better than" anyone else.   it is merely a function of will and purpose,  it is not some backward indicator that God likes one above another at that particular moment when the results come across the ticker board.

He loves everyone equally,  so whatever He decides He wants to include within the framework of His will for a particular persons life,  He will do that.   conversely,  if it isn't within His framework,  He won't.

scripture says ; "ALL THINGS work together for those that love Him".    that is all inclusive,  meaning whatever place you are in life,  up and down the scale,  and not just when things are going smoothly.

that scripture applies judiciously to the person who loses every bit as much as the person who wins

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

 

What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

This is a joke right?

with all the quotation marks, bolding, highlighting and paragraphing I don't see how anyone can read his posts let alone take him seriously.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

you are right,  this screams the "probability" factor,  and that's exactly why i am underlining it.

what is the "probability" that something like this could happen to an individual,  and still end up calling it just a 'coincidence"?

the probability factor raises what it is intended to in this scenario.

is "it" from God,  is it just a naturally occuring phenomenom, or what other explanation?

being accutely aware of something naturally heightens the probability, yes,  but after awhile,  it becomes difficult to write it off to coincidence or heightened awareness.

everything hinges on the probability factor concerning this.    length,  time, and consistentcy raises questions,  and therefore raises a question mark in a persons mind as to it's origin.

that's a good thing.  why? 

not because i am seeking to raise false hope with anyone concerning the lottery (hence my "only if you are meant to"),  but i am thru the transparency of my life,  by allowing people to observe my life,  they too can "observe" that God is real,  and not some mythical fabrication.

there is no way you will ever see me telling someone else this can happen to them too,  because it may or may not.

that's not the point of this,  as per my explantion to gamermom above.

you have seen my "views" expressed in the QP's vs systems threads about how stringent i am against false hope,  and in this scenario i am discussing here,  i would seek to steer away from it even more stridently.

i cannot control how people will add this all up in their mind,  and i know human nature means there will be those that totally misinterpret this,  that they too can duplicate this if they expend "just enough faith".

that is not how this occurs.

if it happens,  it happens,  and the idea is to roll with it until it's conclusion

not sure what you meant about the "iraq" comment,  can you explain?

i know for me,  during previous experiences where these scenario's came to pass,  the "methodology" was more hit and run,  and spread out over time on an occasional basis.   but those too were "enough" that i knew.

this time it is incessant.  everyday for nearly 3 years. 

going back to your iraq comment,  i am still at a semi loss as to why God feels the need to bomb me with this.

He surely didn't need to do it everyday for this long TO get my attention and allegiance

maybe it's not for my benefit,  but for the benefit of others,  so that they can observe that He is in fact real

i know one things for sure,  the non coincidental nature of all this,  coupled by the time and date stamp aspect means it will eventually validate itself as being "from God"

however that shakes out,  and whoever that attracts because it eventually validates,  that is beyond my concern and pay grade as they say.   i just go along for the ride,  and see where the ride takes me

it has already passed the 'probability test'  more than 2 years ago.

remember,  unless joker's streak is intact,  he went 2 days.    mine is nearly 3 years.

nope,  i will never be an accessory to the crime of "false hope"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Jun 13, 2011

with all the quotation marks, bolding, highlighting and paragraphing I don't see how anyone can read his posts let alone take him seriously.

you can read it just fine.

 it's your personal choice to believe it or not. 

it's  obvious that people who don't agree seem to use the excuse of my lack of grammar skills as to one of the reasons why they don't,  and that's a complete non qualifying factor to a dissention of opinion.

if it was so "out there",  no one would be able to respond.

you did,  then changed your "response" once my post didn't favor your opinion.

i get that,  we might be on opposite ends,  but you can understand me "enough" just fine

in all the years i have been here,  i have never once used the excuse of someones "lack of  grammar" when i disagreed with them,  and there have been a ton of people way worse than i am.

it's a poor excuse. 

 just sayin

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 13, 2011

you are right,  this screams the "probability" factor,  and that's exactly why i am underlining it.

what is the "probability" that something like this could happen to an individual,  and still end up calling it just a 'coincidence"?

the probability factor raises what it is intended to in this scenario.

is "it" from God,  is it just a naturally occuring phenomenom, or what other explanation?

being accutely aware of something naturally heightens the probability, yes,  but after awhile,  it becomes difficult to write it off to coincidence or heightened awareness.

everything hinges on the probability factor concerning this.    length,  time, and consistentcy raises questions,  and therefore raises a question mark in a persons mind as to it's origin.

that's a good thing.  why? 

not because i am seeking to raise false hope with anyone concerning the lottery (hence my "only if you are meant to"),  but i am thru the transparency of my life,  by allowing people to observe my life,  they too can "observe" that God is real,  and not some mythical fabrication.

there is no way you will ever see me telling someone else this can happen to them too,  because it may or may not.

that's not the point of this,  as per my explantion to gamermom above.

you have seen my "views" expressed in the QP's vs systems threads about how stringent i am against false hope,  and in this scenario i am discussing here,  i would seek to steer away from it even more stridently.

i cannot control how people will add this all up in their mind,  and i know human nature means there will be those that totally misinterpret this,  that they too can duplicate this if they expend "just enough faith".

that is not how this occurs.

if it happens,  it happens,  and the idea is to roll with it until it's conclusion

not sure what you meant about the "iraq" comment,  can you explain?

i know for me,  during previous experiences where these scenario's came to pass,  the "methodology" was more hit and run,  and spread out over time on an occasional basis.   but those too were "enough" that i knew.

this time it is incessant.  everyday for nearly 3 years. 

going back to your iraq comment,  i am still at a semi loss as to why God feels the need to bomb me with this.

He surely didn't need to do it everyday for this long TO get my attention and allegiance

maybe it's not for my benefit,  but for the benefit of others,  so that they can observe that He is in fact real

i know one things for sure,  the non coincidental nature of all this,  coupled by the time and date stamp aspect means it will eventually validate itself as being "from God"

however that shakes out,  and whoever that attracts because it eventually validates,  that is beyond my concern and pay grade as they say.   i just go along for the ride,  and see where the ride takes me

it has already passed the 'probability test'  more than 2 years ago.

remember,  unless joker's streak is intact,  he went 2 days.    mine is nearly 3 years.

nope,  i will never be an accessory to the crime of "false hope"

"not sure what you meant about the 'iraq' comment,  can you explain?"

It was an effort to point out that the number of references to a specific country that you observe as you move through your life will tend to be proportional to the country's involvement in and interest to the world at large.  If for some reason Kiribati had initially caught your attention rather than France, I doubt if we would be having this discussion.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Jun 13, 2011

The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

GamerMom,

The Law of Attractions is only half the story.

Unless someone couples the law of attraction with the law of detatchment they create a "prison of expectation" for themself.

In other words, they become obsessed with something materializing just because they've mentally attempted to manifest it.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

"not sure what you meant about the 'iraq' comment,  can you explain?"

It was an effort to point out that the number of references to a specific country that you observe as you move through your life will tend to be proportional to the country's involvement in and interest to the world at large.  If for some reason Kiribati had initially caught your attention rather than France, I doubt if we would be having this discussion.

oh,  got it now Thumbs Up

i totally get what you are saying,  and i already addressed that concern from 2 different angles.

i made the notation when i was having a conversation with joker that if he wanted to take my "theory" out for a test drive himself,  that he could do it by picking a a term that was common,  but yet had just enough "randomness" in it that he wasn't going to stumble across it every 5 min.

you know terms we all could come up with that cross the line of "commoness" vs "probability", to make it rediculously easy to remove the probability factor,  and turn it into an expected result.

joker chose "pumperknickle",  and i implored him to pick something way more common to give himself more of a fair chance at this.   so you see,  i stacked the odds of my claim against me,  as i should do while factoring in my claim.

certainly,  no one can make the claim that france is so common in our society that it makes the 'that's far too common' dismissle.

we live in the US,  and while the mention of france is not UNcommon in our sphere of existence,  it surely doesn't qualify as an everyday occurance term.   certainly not everyday for nearly 3 years in a row,  not anywhere close to being "that common".

if God deemed it necessary,  a purple pageant donkey from kiribati would come across the course of my life everyday for 30 years.

in this case,  for an eventual specific reason,  it happens to be france.

the joker / pumperknickle thing was cute,  but WAY too random for my taste,  considering what i am offering up as an attached claim.

it should be easier for him,  so with him living in florida,  maybe he shouldn't pick "florida" as his barometer test subject,  but certainly "california" is a 1,000 times more common than france any day of the week.

now that would be a fair test.   more common than france,   and see how many days he goes with it occuring while going thru the normal course of his day.

remember the premise here that does seek to qualify this ----->  nearly 3 years in a row daily,  and "unbroken"

italy.   italy is probably on even par with the commonality factor of france in this country.  maybe even more so.

see how many days in a row you can experience that,  and get back to us.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

and just to be straight,  i wasn't bagging on gamermom's belief in the "law of attraction",  she has an equal foot to stand on in here.

what i was doing is making sure no one attempted to attach the "law of attraction" to what is happening to me, and there was that possibility,  that someone reading that might write it off to that,  thereby minimizing it's origin

that is 100% not what this is,  and no one can duplicate it with incorporating that mindset (or any other),   so i needed to protect the integrity of "how" it is happening to me,  so that God gets credit above some "methodology"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i am reading an article about lance armstrong running into tyler hamilton (what are the odds...lol) at a restaurant in aspen.

it was a french restaurant,  but,  what i thought was more funny is that i suggested to jimmy that he pick "italy" as his test drive.

look at the article. 

 

it initially says "itallian",  then who ever wrote the article crosses out italian,  and writes french instead.

who writes an article,  and intentionally puts a slash mark thru it,  then retains it ?

that's a little weird

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Lance-Armstrong-8217-s-awkward-encounter-with-T?urn=oly-wp316

i just thought it to be a bit funny given the previous conversation

wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 12, 2011

All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

The past 3 days I've encountered the word France or Paris. I've since forgotten the details but... we'll see what happens tomorrow

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by wizeguy on Jun 14, 2011

The past 3 days I've encountered the word France or Paris. I've since forgotten the details but... we'll see what happens tomorrow

I believe I know what this whole France thing means. There's a lot of Muslims living in France. There well may be a terrorist living among them blowing things up.....

For 30 years, God has been leading  Visiondude to the final stages of his revelations. His incessant observance has led to others responding in a lottery news forum which just happens to be the largest Lottery forum in the world.

Now because of this enlightenment, a possible act of terror can be diffused...

You can thank Todd....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

well,  i was hoping for a nice apt on the promenade de anglais in nice france with an ocean front view,  but ok,  if that's what it is..

should i start shopping the net for a custom fitted bomb intervention suit?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 14, 2011

well,  i was hoping for a nice apt on the promenade de anglais in nice france with an ocean front view,  but ok,  if that's what it is..

should i start shopping the net for a custom fitted bomb intervention suit?

Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

since you suggested it,  you go in first,  and i will follow.

you can trust me Wink

you know what they say......"you can swim in shark infested waters,  and you don't have to be the fastest swimmer, just faster than your buddy behind you"

 

scrolling thru the movie channels,  some movie about juila childs called "julie and julia" was in the offering from 12am till  2:05am on the sk&fm channel.    evidently according to the description of what the movie was about ...."the art of french cooking"

i did not bite,  pun intended,  but it was after 12am,  so it counts

 

i did not however "observe" a  purple pageant donkey from kiribati,  and well,  now that my curiosity has been kindled,  i kinda wanna see what one even looks like,  let alone 1,035 of them in a row (approximately speaking)

joker17

                                                         donkey

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 14, 2011

                                                         donkey

good one.  Cheers

now i am not big into animal husbandry,  so i could be off by a country or two,  but if you ask me......

...... that's a pumperknickle colored donkey from ubetchastan

could qualify as a "pageant donkey",   because it is wearing a coronation bouquet bush on his head

if this pic contained a geo tag,  i bet it would confirm that's france just over the grassy knoll Wink

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

hey jimmy,  you are a huge fan of test driving and statistical analysis,  have you been conducting your own personal science experiment on this issue,   in order to observe the probability factor?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 14, 2011

good one.  Cheers

now i am not big into animal husbandry,  so i could be off by a country or two,  but if you ask me......

...... that's a pumperknickle colored donkey from ubetchastan

could qualify as a "pageant donkey",   because it is wearing a coronation bouquet bush on his head

if this pic contained a geo tag,  i bet it would confirm that's france just over the grassy knoll Wink

Wow, I didn't notice the bush over it's head...too weird..

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

just went in the bedroom to turn on the tv and playing on the USA channel right now is a show called "covert affairs"

i never watch that show,  and it wasn't precorded,  so the tv was on that channel from yesterday.

the storyline is in paris france

i turned the tv on,  and that was what was on,  i did not scan channels and come across it.

what are the odds of that "coincidence"?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

unless someone for some reason wants to discuss this further as to the "origin" or the probability thereof,  i am not going to come back to this thread and "bomb it" (lol)  everytime i come across an occurance.

i already demonstrated it is occuring,  including giving avenues where you could check out whether i was telling the truth or not.

i don't see the need to continue this everyday,  so instead,  i have installed a "watch' on my signature.

until that gets taken down,  "it's" still been happening everyday,  and it will happen everyday,  until i arrive at the intersection that God has designed this little adventure for

au revoir

évidemment je m'attends à ce que Dieu fasse ce qui a l'air d'être impossible. 

Il est censé faire l'impossible.

Il est Dieu, vous savez ?

(online translators are cool)

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Vive l'amour

Vive la guerre

Vive le vive le mercenaire!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr
Dieu bénisse l'Amérique!
sully16's avatarsully16

Serviette ?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

c'est étrange, jimmy4164 n'a pas répondu à ma question quant à si vraiment il le met à travers sa machine à laver de chances personnelle. 

j'aurais cru qu'il aurait été partout dans cela comme un âne de spectacle historique pumperknickle d'ubetchastan

 

wizeguy's "streak" must have ended after 2 days.   he was supposed to come back and report in,  but never did. 

 sometimes (not all of the time)  people don't follow thru on those things,  because they know if they do,  it's lends credibility to things people like myself claim.    i hope not.   i hope it was just a case of "they forgot"

 

i think joker's lasted 2 - 3 days.      i know why he totally dropped the subject, and never referred to it again.

it's cool,  at least we where laughing,  and getting along there if but for uno momento

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 15, 2011

c'est étrange, jimmy4164 n'a pas répondu à ma question quant à si vraiment il le met à travers sa machine à laver de chances personnelle. 

j'aurais cru qu'il aurait été partout dans cela comme un âne de spectacle historique pumperknickle d'ubetchastan

 

wizeguy's "streak" must have ended after 2 days.   he was supposed to come back and report in,  but never did. 

 sometimes (not all of the time)  people don't follow thru on those things,  because they know if they do,  it's lends credibility to things people like myself claim.    i hope not.   i hope it was just a case of "they forgot"

 

i think joker's lasted 2 - 3 days.      i know why he totally dropped the subject, and never referred to it again.

it's cool,  at least we where laughing,  and getting along there if but for uno momento

It doesn't lend credibility to anything except for the fact that you're looking for France related info, so you'll find it, yes even everyday.

Secondly, I have to see proof that you're seeing it everyday. You could have easily fabricated this just to vindicate yourself.

Even If you're telling the truth, it means nothing. That doesn't prove that the Christian God is the correct one. There is no clear correlation pointing France to a Christian God.

Yes we did have a little laugh here and there, but you had to go and spoil it by once again accusing me of hiding and not responding because it may show credibility  in your favor. Like I said a thousand times before, there are plenty of other contradictions that prove no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety.

Here we go again...lol

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 13, 2011

GamerMom,

The Law of Attractions is only half the story.

Unless someone couples the law of attraction with the law of detatchment they create a "prison of expectation" for themself.

In other words, they become obsessed with something materializing just because they've mentally attempted to manifest it.

Indeed.  And don't forget the Law of Least Effort.  If you can visualize and let go your manifestations will be significant....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

It doesn't lend credibility to anything except for the fact that you're looking for France related info, so you'll find it, yes even everyday.

Secondly, I have to see proof that you're seeing it everyday. You could have easily fabricated this just to vindicate yourself.

Even If you're telling the truth, it means nothing. That doesn't prove that the Christian God is the correct one. There is no clear correlation pointing France to a Christian God.

Yes we did have a little laugh here and there, but you had to go and spoil it by once again accusing me of hiding and not responding because it may show credibility  in your favor. Like I said a thousand times before, there are plenty of other contradictions that prove no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety.

Here we go again...lol

"...no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety."

 

Let me see if I can guess why it's "especially the Christian variety" that is wrong.

I know!

It's because we're told to kill all the infidels and because we especially enjoy slowly sawing off the heads of those who disagree with us!

Right?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 15, 2011

"...no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety."

 

Let me see if I can guess why it's "especially the Christian variety" that is wrong.

I know!

It's because we're told to kill all the infidels and because we especially enjoy slowly sawing off the heads of those who disagree with us!

Right?

Would you like me to post all the contradictions ?

I never condoned beheadings, so why do you assume I'm a terrorist?

I don't think I'll ever get where you're coming from.

You nor any other religious fanatic has any basis for their belief. It's just that, a belief, faith in a belief system. Nothing less, nothing more.

I just happen to know more about Christianity than any other religion. That's why i use Christianity in most of my examples.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

Would you like me to post all the contradictions ?

I never condoned beheadings, so why do you assume I'm a terrorist?

I don't think I'll ever get where you're coming from.

You nor any other religious fanatic has any basis for their belief. It's just that, a belief, faith in a belief system. Nothing less, nothing more.

I just happen to know more about Christianity than any other religion. That's why i use Christianity in most of my examples.

Then don't get bent out of shape when you get flak for criticizing Christians exclusively in a Christian country.

You have it made here.

If you criticized muslims in Iran they would have chopped your head off long ago.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

It doesn't lend credibility to anything except for the fact that you're looking for France related info, so you'll find it, yes even everyday.

Secondly, I have to see proof that you're seeing it everyday. You could have easily fabricated this just to vindicate yourself.

Even If you're telling the truth, it means nothing. That doesn't prove that the Christian God is the correct one. There is no clear correlation pointing France to a Christian God.

Yes we did have a little laugh here and there, but you had to go and spoil it by once again accusing me of hiding and not responding because it may show credibility  in your favor. Like I said a thousand times before, there are plenty of other contradictions that prove no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety.

Here we go again...lol

ahhh no joker.    you come after Christianity specifically because you have some personal angst about it.

there have been enough of other "opportunities"  (religions)  for you to blast away at,  but you really don't.

maybe you have more knowledge about Christianity than the 'others",  but it's not true you give everyone equal treatment.

*******************************************************************************************

to answer your above post

(1)  i already proved to you it isn't a matter of me going and hunting down things about "france",   it's they come my way without me "looking for them".

you read where i posted last night that i tuned on the tv and it was already on.  it came to me,  not me to "it"

(2) i tried to show you proof,  but you ran in the other direction.

i put my personal anonymity on the line,  and agreed to let you make the arrangements so someone could view my writted journal.  a history chronicled of what's been happening to me,  and you excused your way away from it.

your the one that doesn't want "proof",  so you "demanding proof" is a joke.   when i do,  out comes your excuses

(3)  your out of your mind if you think i need to fabricate anything.   i don't need to lie.

that's just another excuse you need to front in order for you to excuse yourself awawy from what's happening.

remember,  you are the one that's running the other direction.   me,  i keep coming to the table.

(4) i serve the "Christian God" (as you say),  so if what's happening is from God,  guess which one gets the credit?

somethings going on that supercedes even your imagination,  because no matter what excuse you can serve up,  it's an impossibility that it could happen for nearly 3 years without "God" being behind it.

what's interesting,  is i even gave you the help you needed to duplicate it to test it,  and you ran from that too.

funny how you did that after you claimed i do that everyday

why did i keep you on the hook about this?     because you have no problem hitting up Christians and Christianity on thier "inconsistentcies",  so now,  it's your turn for someone to highlight the inconsistentcy in your position.

and the truth is.....your not the least bit interested in "proof".

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 15, 2011

Then don't get bent out of shape when you get flak for criticizing Christians exclusively in a Christian country.

You have it made here.

If you criticized muslims in Iran they would have chopped your head off long ago.

Who's getting bent out of shape?

Why is it that when I respond to something you write, I'm getting bent out of shape?

But when you respond, it's just a response simple and clean?

I don't sympathize with Iranian radicals, just as much as I don't sympathize with radicals like you. Yeah, I know, you don't chop heads off, but you're just as annoying sometimes.

Get over it dude.....I have as much right to disagree. When are you gonna get this thru your head?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 15, 2011

ahhh no joker.    you come after Christianity specifically because you have some personal angst about it.

there have been enough of other "opportunities"  (religions)  for you to blast away at,  but you really don't.

maybe you have more knowledge about Christianity than the 'others",  but it's not true you give everyone equal treatment.

*******************************************************************************************

to answer your above post

(1)  i already proved to you it isn't a matter of me going and hunting down things about "france",   it's they come my way without me "looking for them".

you read where i posted last night that i tuned on the tv and it was already on.  it came to me,  not me to "it"

(2) i tried to show you proof,  but you ran in the other direction.

i put my personal anonymity on the line,  and agreed to let you make the arrangements so someone could view my writted journal.  a history chronicled of what's been happening to me,  and you excused your way away from it.

your the one that doesn't want "proof",  so you "demanding proof" is a joke.   when i do,  out comes your excuses

(3)  your out of your mind if you think i need to fabricate anything.   i don't need to lie.

that's just another excuse you need to front in order for you to excuse yourself awawy from what's happening.

remember,  you are the one that's running the other direction.   me,  i keep coming to the table.

(4) i serve the "Christian God" (as you say),  so if what's happening is from God,  guess which one gets the credit?

somethings going on that supercedes even your imagination,  because no matter what excuse you can serve up,  it's an impossibility that it could happen for nearly 3 years without "God" being behind it.

what's interesting,  is i even gave you the help you needed to duplicate it to test it,  and you ran from that too.

funny how you did that after you claimed i do that everyday

why did i keep you on the hook about this?     because you have no problem hitting up Christians and Christianity on thier "inconsistentcies",  so now,  it's your turn for someone to highlight the inconsistentcy in your position.

and the truth is.....your not the least bit interested in "proof".

Show me the proof. Until then, it's all fluff....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

Who's getting bent out of shape?

Why is it that when I respond to something you write, I'm getting bent out of shape?

But when you respond, it's just a response simple and clean?

I don't sympathize with Iranian radicals, just as much as I don't sympathize with radicals like you. Yeah, I know, you don't chop heads off, but you're just as annoying sometimes.

Get over it dude.....I have as much right to disagree. When are you gonna get this thru your head?

Are you listening to yourself?

Of all the religions in the world, you think you need to straighten out the Christians?

Listen, I don't care which religion you know the most about, you gotta be some kinda nut to think it's the Christians who need your educating.

There is wholesale butchering and slaughter going on right now, everyday, all over the world in the name of allah!

And what are you concerned about? - Some Christian lady saying she prayed to Saint So and So to win the lottery. And she's not asking anyone to join her.

Can you not discern between good and evil?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

Show me the proof. Until then, it's all fluff....

I gave you instructions on how we can make that happen, so make it happen.

Do it so we can both agree on the anonymity aspect, and you can bet your life I will step up

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

And remember, you can do your own test.

Just you not doing that alone, tells everyone here your not here for "proof".

So much so, you reject your " own proof"..

Feadogger
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their Christian Louboutins.  Wink
wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 15, 2011

c'est étrange, jimmy4164 n'a pas répondu à ma question quant à si vraiment il le met à travers sa machine à laver de chances personnelle. 

j'aurais cru qu'il aurait été partout dans cela comme un âne de spectacle historique pumperknickle d'ubetchastan

 

wizeguy's "streak" must have ended after 2 days.   he was supposed to come back and report in,  but never did. 

 sometimes (not all of the time)  people don't follow thru on those things,  because they know if they do,  it's lends credibility to things people like myself claim.    i hope not.   i hope it was just a case of "they forgot"

 

i think joker's lasted 2 - 3 days.      i know why he totally dropped the subject, and never referred to it again.

it's cool,  at least we where laughing,  and getting along there if but for uno momento

What I forgot was saying "we'll see...". streak is still going at 5 days now as long as Paris, Ky counts. Don't expect me to keep a journal or to report in daily

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 15, 2011

Are you listening to yourself?

Of all the religions in the world, you think you need to straighten out the Christians?

Listen, I don't care which religion you know the most about, you gotta be some kinda nut to think it's the Christians who need your educating.

There is wholesale butchering and slaughter going on right now, everyday, all over the world in the name of allah!

And what are you concerned about? - Some Christian lady saying she prayed to Saint So and So to win the lottery. And she's not asking anyone to join her.

Can you not discern between good and evil?

I'm sorry dude. You simply don't get it, or don't want to get it.

All religions claim they are right and everyone else is wrong. What part of this don't you get?

Yes I can discern between good and evil. I think it's evil to brainwash your children by telling them false stories and not allowing them to learn all religions so they can make up their minds for themselves. Or to mutilate their genitals in the name of religion. Or bomb abortion clinics, or go to soldier's funerals and say God allowed this because the U.S. is evil, or affect national policies based on religious beliefs, the list goes on and on.

Surely those crazy humans are blowing each other up in the middle east but you can't talk to those people, they're fanatics. Telling them they are nuts won't help, but telling civil people they are brainwashed may wake them up from their stupor. Evidently it hasn't heped you one bit.

Again, I'm not trying to tell folks what to do. I simply offer a logical alternative. Stubborn Christians like you can't take the heat because it might shatter everything you've been indoctrinated with. I get it, I know how it seems like a blow to all that you know. You can't handle the truth. Not my fault.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

I gave you instructions on how we can make that happen, so make it happen.

Do it so we can both agree on the anonymity aspect, and you can bet your life I will step up

More fluff.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

As you're so fond of saying, "Oh the irony".

It's very curious that you have such a problem with religions, especially Christinaity, yet are willing to search the world for a (non-existenet) system to beat the lottery or the racetracks.

Oh the irony.

Scared

I'm just sayin'...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 16, 2011

joker17,

As you're so fond of saying, "Oh the irony".

It's very curious that you have such a problem with religions, especially Christinaity, yet are willing to search the world for a (non-existenet) system to beat the lottery or the racetracks.

Oh the irony.

Scared

I'm just sayin'...

Only in your mind are you convinced that there is no system. The owner of the dog racing method has proven himself publicly to the world as the best in the business. He even has a place in a Las Vegas casino that recognizes his achievments. Greyhound magazine's editor folloed him around for weeks and he proved to him 3 different times that he made hundreds of thousands before the eitor would print an article about him.

The only reason I stopped using the system was that it takes a 3 year learning curve to get it down to where you can make a living off it, and I don't have that much patience.

I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months. But you need at least 3 ot 5 thousand bucks bankroll to start, which I will be doing in a year or so.

 Plus my friend at work who's daughter's friend will hopefully reveal to me next week or so how he paid off 3 tuitions and makes a living off it with the p-3.

Maybe you should do your homework before making ignorant remarks. If you've never seen a system that  works the majority of the time, then I guess it doesn't exist. Mr. know-it-all who worked in the casino knows everything there is to know about everything. If you never saw it, must not exist.

You are sounding more pathetic with the passage of time.

I'm just sayin....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

More fluff.

for several years you have fly swatted at people who believe with your remarks.

rarely do you open with a serious offering,  it's usually some angst induced disrespectful swipe.

it's who you are, we get that,  and although most of us would wish you would park your angst in favor of respect,  we have resigned ourselves that's the way you will always be.

that's fine.

what is snot fine,  you rake people over the coals about this,  then you come in here demanding proof when someone debates you, and when they offer it up, you run the other way......discounting it without looking at it or considering it.

it's your life,  so tell yourself your a man that plays fair on this issue all you want,  but until you actully replicate truth in life,  it's a joke

i have physical proof of which i offered for you to view it.   instead of maning up about it,  you made (yet) another excuse.

like i said,  you are not the least bit interested in "proof". 

all you are interested in,  is trying make "it" go away by not looking at it,  and making excuses

at your current rate,  you won't be able to "excuse" your way out of an eternal consequence,  whatever that may be.

whoever God is,  He will have standards for you to review and adjust to before you die,  and if you have refused until you die,  when you die and you stand before Him,  you wont be able to post Him video's,  you won't be able to rant your way out of it,  you won't be able to blame anyone else for things they did to you in the name of "Christianity",  and as brave as you act now,  your "excuses"  won't buy you any more time.

it's clear you not looking for proof,  your looking to make it ....."not true"

and in comparison to the storms you inspire in here,  that's a joke

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by wizeguy on Jun 16, 2011

What I forgot was saying "we'll see...". streak is still going at 5 days now as long as Paris, Ky counts. Don't expect me to keep a journal or to report in daily

it's cool.  Thumbs Up

i just thought you were saying you were going to check in,  etc

"paris KY" has actually been a hit on my hit parade

it contains "paris",  so it counts.   so long as you don't live in paris KY, and have the chance to see it everyday on your mail, etc.

even still,  over the course of nearly 3 years,  a person is bound to travel,  get sick,  find themselves in situations that extremely limit their ability to encounter these things.....lack of internet / TV, etc.

so,  on the eventual scale,  you could live in france,  and not come across the words "french,  france,  paris" 

on the eventuality / addition scale...."it" happening unbroken as a daily occurance for nearly 3 years straight is....

.....just a koinkadink Wink

btw,  even "paris hilton" counts.   not that it should have the right to,  but it does....Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

it's cool.  Thumbs Up

i just thought you were saying you were going to check in,  etc

"paris KY" has actually been a hit on my hit parade

it contains "paris",  so it counts.   so long as you don't live in paris KY, and have the chance to see it everyday on your mail, etc.

even still,  over the course of nearly 3 years,  a person is bound to travel,  get sick,  find themselves in situations that extremely limit their ability to encounter these things.....lack of internet / TV, etc.

so,  on the eventual scale,  you could live in france,  and not come across the words "french,  france,  paris" 

on the eventuality / addition scale...."it" happening unbroken as a daily occurance for nearly 3 years straight is....

.....just a koinkadink Wink

btw,  even "paris hilton" counts.   not that it should have the right to,  but it does....Green laugh

now that i think about it joker,  you would refuse to believe even if i won the lottery......

....... in france

you would call it "fluff",  or some lame rediculousness,  so you can convince yourself temporarily "it's not true".

 

i am a guy that backs up what i claim,  so i will see if i can (finallly) figure out how to post pics on LP,  and when and if i can,  i will post pics of the pages of my journal.

not for your benefit,  because now it has become apparent a guy like me doesn't waste something as significant like this on a guy like you who isn't the least bit interested anyway,  but because i am a finisher in life.

making sure i see things thru to the end,  backing up what i claim by keeping my word,  instead of running in the other direction...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

for several years you have fly swatted at people who believe with your remarks.

rarely do you open with a serious offering,  it's usually some angst induced disrespectful swipe.

it's who you are, we get that,  and although most of us would wish you would park your angst in favor of respect,  we have resigned ourselves that's the way you will always be.

that's fine.

what is snot fine,  you rake people over the coals about this,  then you come in here demanding proof when someone debates you, and when they offer it up, you run the other way......discounting it without looking at it or considering it.

it's your life,  so tell yourself your a man that plays fair on this issue all you want,  but until you actully replicate truth in life,  it's a joke

i have physical proof of which i offered for you to view it.   instead of maning up about it,  you made (yet) another excuse.

like i said,  you are not the least bit interested in "proof". 

all you are interested in,  is trying make "it" go away by not looking at it,  and making excuses

at your current rate,  you won't be able to "excuse" your way out of an eternal consequence,  whatever that may be.

whoever God is,  He will have standards for you to review and adjust to before you die,  and if you have refused until you die,  when you die and you stand before Him,  you wont be able to post Him video's,  you won't be able to rant your way out of it,  you won't be able to blame anyone else for things they did to you in the name of "Christianity",  and as brave as you act now,  your "excuses"  won't buy you any more time.

it's clear you not looking for proof,  your looking to make it ....."not true"

and in comparison to the storms you inspire in here,  that's a joke

I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Testimonials are not proof to me. You can't prove you see France everyday, and If you could prove it, there is no tie to whether the God Of the Christians is the correct one, or any other God.

I'm not running away, just tired of repeating myself.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

now that i think about it joker,  you would refuse to believe even if i won the lottery......

....... in france

you would call it "fluff",  or some lame rediculousness,  so you can convince yourself temporarily "it's not true".

 

i am a guy that backs up what i claim,  so i will see if i can (finallly) figure out how to post pics on LP,  and when and if i can,  i will post pics of the pages of my journal.

not for your benefit,  because now it has become apparent a guy like me doesn't waste something as significant like this on a guy like you who isn't the least bit interested anyway,  but because i am a finisher in life.

making sure i see things thru to the end,  backing up what i claim by keeping my word,  instead of running in the other direction...

That's a good one. You're going to look for pictures of the word France in magazines and post them here as proof. Ya, OK.....

I was having fun a few days ago, but now I firmly believe you are out of your mind !

Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

That's a good one. You're going to look for pictures of the word France in magazines and post them here as proof. Ya, OK.....

I was having fun a few days ago, but now I firmly believe you are out of your mind !

Green laugh

Nope.....from my journal

Archived / dated entries that prove it has been happening everyday.

"Even if you could, its not proof"......

Not for a guy like you who picks agenda over facts it wouldn't be

But for a man who reasons things out and does FACTUAL addition....it does.

You happen to be one of those guys that wouldn't recognize proof if it came in the form of cab fare with a $1000 tip...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

The only reason I stopped using the system was that it takes a 3 year learning curve to get it down to where you can make a living off it, and I don't have that much patience.

I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months. But you need at least 3 ot 5 thousand bucks bankroll to start, which I will be doing in a year or so.

The keys there are deep enough pockets to sustain a three year learning curve or a 5 large BR to start playing with.

That's not you average players trying to make a little something extra to get ahead.

We had a guy in Vegas who had a way to beat the dog tracks. So the sports books barred him. Nice system until no one will book your action, then where are you?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Testimonials are not proof to me. You can't prove you see France everyday, and If you could prove it, there is no tie to whether the God Of the Christians is the correct one, or any other God.

I'm not running away, just tired of repeating myself.

First you say this:

"I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

 

Testimonials are not proof to me."

 

 

 

Then you say this:

"I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months."

 

So please explain to me how you reconcile those two statements.

Why do you say that you don't believe testimonials and then give a second-hand  testimonial from some guy on the internet who told you he won $250,000 playing Pick4 in 6 months?

Now, you didn't say this person says  he won a quarter mill. You said he won a quarter mill. That's you saying it. So obviously you saw the proof because you don't believe testimonials.

Ok then, let's see the proof.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

First you say this:

"I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

 

Testimonials are not proof to me."

 

 

 

Then you say this:

"I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months."

 

So please explain to me how you reconcile those two statements.

Why do you say that you don't believe testimonials and then give a second-hand  testimonial from some guy on the internet who told you he won $250,000 playing Pick4 in 6 months?

Now, you didn't say this person says  he won a quarter mill. You said he won a quarter mill. That's you saying it. So obviously you saw the proof because you don't believe testimonials.

Ok then, let's see the proof.

the above post is a perfect example of why i ride his purple pumperknickle pageant donkey up and down the halls of LP.

the inconsistencty of his words,  and his ensuing actions in comparison to his words.       they don't match up

i cannot wait for the "explantion" out of this most recent spotlight,  but you can bet it will look like this -----> Puke

 

he screams "foul" all the time,  but refuses to confirm todd had that conversation with me in 2008.  gee, i wonder why?

i offer up my anonymity to him,  to show him physical documented evidence, so that i can demonstrate i am a man of my word,  and he totally wusses on that.    nevermind,  i know why...

 

doesn't even have the guts to straight up call me a liar,  and that i am only making it up.

he has to,  otherwise he has to give an 'explanation' how something like that could happen everyday for nearly 3 years.

(1)  i am either lying about it.     (and don't call it "fabrication",  that's the politically correct wuss term.  it's lying,  if that's what it is).

(2)  or there has to be a reasonable explanation why it's happening outside of Gods orchaestration,  because for that length of time,  if you pick truth over agenda on any side of your coin,  it's still impossible for anyone to duplicate that on thier own.

(joker's "experiment" only lasted 2 days)

(3)  or it is orchaestrated by God    (which is exactly what i claim it is,  mirroring the consistentcy i have maintained in LP for all the years i have been here.....never altering that "position" a millimeter ever)

 

the fact that joker has never addressed 1,2 or 3......indicates all one needs to know about him, in deciphering his motives in these threads

he doesn't have the guts to call me a liar,  because he knows i am not,  and refused to prove i "was",  by not confirming with todd.   he won't make the arrangements necessary to view my journal because he knows i am not lying about it.

which effectively reduces him to choices 2 and 3.

trouble is,  he doesn't have an "explanation" to explain the number 2 phenomenom.

which if we apply the math,  reduces him down to number 1.   and we all know how he feels about #1,  because we experience his angst about it on a regular basis.

which drives his nutzo,  and makes him think he HAS to climb back up the factual addition scale,  to "believe' #2 and #1 so he can continue his "quest"

go ahead joker,  man up,  and mirror your persona in here by straight up calling me a liar,  that i am either lying about parts or all of it.    if i lie about anything once, my whole house of cards at LP burns to the ground,  so go ahead and do it,  so we can all view it publically,  so we will all have a recorded history to review someday.

go ahead,  i dare you,  you will not hurt my feelings,  and it will in the long run serve my purpose.

well,   not really "my purpose"

you can't label me delusional,  because i have written proof and eyewitness testimony

you HAVE to call me a liar

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 16, 2011

joker17,

The only reason I stopped using the system was that it takes a 3 year learning curve to get it down to where you can make a living off it, and I don't have that much patience.

I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months. But you need at least 3 ot 5 thousand bucks bankroll to start, which I will be doing in a year or so.

The keys there are deep enough pockets to sustain a three year learning curve or a 5 large BR to start playing with.

That's not you average players trying to make a little something extra to get ahead.

We had a guy in Vegas who had a way to beat the dog tracks. So the sports books barred him. Nice system until no one will book your action, then where are you?

Obviously you don't have a clue about dog racing. The track doesn't give to shcmidts how much money a person makes because they make their money up front. The monies given out is parimutel and split amongst the winners...Disapprove

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

First you say this:

"I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

 

Testimonials are not proof to me."

 

 

 

Then you say this:

"I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months."

 

So please explain to me how you reconcile those two statements.

Why do you say that you don't believe testimonials and then give a second-hand  testimonial from some guy on the internet who told you he won $250,000 playing Pick4 in 6 months?

Now, you didn't say this person says  he won a quarter mill. You said he won a quarter mill. That's you saying it. So obviously you saw the proof because you don't believe testimonials.

Ok then, let's see the proof.

He gave me the numbers ahead of time, before the draw for a period of a month so I can see for myself. This person plays a lot of numbers in the p-4. But when this person wins, this person wins multiple times straight. Only plays staright online for maximum payoff.

This person is willing to give me the same numbers played in Wisconsin, but I don't have the bankroll to start, just yet.

It was proven to me beforehand.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

the above post is a perfect example of why i ride his purple pumperknickle pageant donkey up and down the halls of LP.

the inconsistencty of his words,  and his ensuing actions in comparison to his words.       they don't match up

i cannot wait for the "explantion" out of this most recent spotlight,  but you can bet it will look like this -----> Puke

 

he screams "foul" all the time,  but refuses to confirm todd had that conversation with me in 2008.  gee, i wonder why?

i offer up my anonymity to him,  to show him physical documented evidence, so that i can demonstrate i am a man of my word,  and he totally wusses on that.    nevermind,  i know why...

 

doesn't even have the guts to straight up call me a liar,  and that i am only making it up.

he has to,  otherwise he has to give an 'explanation' how something like that could happen everyday for nearly 3 years.

(1)  i am either lying about it.     (and don't call it "fabrication",  that's the politically correct wuss term.  it's lying,  if that's what it is).

(2)  or there has to be a reasonable explanation why it's happening outside of Gods orchaestration,  because for that length of time,  if you pick truth over agenda on any side of your coin,  it's still impossible for anyone to duplicate that on thier own.

(joker's "experiment" only lasted 2 days)

(3)  or it is orchaestrated by God    (which is exactly what i claim it is,  mirroring the consistentcy i have maintained in LP for all the years i have been here.....never altering that "position" a millimeter ever)

 

the fact that joker has never addressed 1,2 or 3......indicates all one needs to know about him, in deciphering his motives in these threads

he doesn't have the guts to call me a liar,  because he knows i am not,  and refused to prove i "was",  by not confirming with todd.   he won't make the arrangements necessary to view my journal because he knows i am not lying about it.

which effectively reduces him to choices 2 and 3.

trouble is,  he doesn't have an "explanation" to explain the number 2 phenomenom.

which if we apply the math,  reduces him down to number 1.   and we all know how he feels about #1,  because we experience his angst about it on a regular basis.

which drives his nutzo,  and makes him think he HAS to climb back up the factual addition scale,  to "believe' #2 and #1 so he can continue his "quest"

go ahead joker,  man up,  and mirror your persona in here by straight up calling me a liar,  that i am either lying about parts or all of it.    if i lie about anything once, my whole house of cards at LP burns to the ground,  so go ahead and do it,  so we can all view it publically,  so we will all have a recorded history to review someday.

go ahead,  i dare you,  you will not hurt my feelings,  and it will in the long run serve my purpose.

well,   not really "my purpose"

you can't label me delusional,  because i have written proof and eyewitness testimony

you HAVE to call me a liar

YOU'RE A LIAR.....!!!!

Happy?

Actually, i really don't believe you're lying, just twisting the truth or embellishing it. Like I said before, it's possible to look for things like France subconciously. You may not be puposely looking for them, but in the back of your mind you are....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

He gave me the numbers ahead of time, before the draw for a period of a month so I can see for myself. This person plays a lot of numbers in the p-4. But when this person wins, this person wins multiple times straight. Only plays staright online for maximum payoff.

This person is willing to give me the same numbers played in Wisconsin, but I don't have the bankroll to start, just yet.

It was proven to me beforehand.

What are you saying, that we should just believe your testimonial, without proof?

Is that what you do?

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

Obviously you don't have a clue about dog racing. The track doesn't give to shcmidts how much money a person makes because they make their money up front. The monies given out is parimutel and split amongst the winners...Disapprove

joker17,

Obviosuly you just knee-jerk and reply without reading what you're replying to. Did I say the dog track barred him? I said the sportsbook barred him.

A lot of people play at sports and racebooks because the track doesn't make a dime off of them, there's no parking or entry fee or any of that.

Really gone dog and pony bettors move to Nevada for that very reason (if there's no OTB where they live).

As for the Pick 4 system, why not just borrow the 5 large and make your score and post your winning tickets in the winnign ticket thread, if you're that confident about it. Or are you?

Does the guy also give out other number to other people? So many that he's going to show a winner somewhere? Ever heard of Mike W? His Five-Star NFL picks went 15-2 season after season, just ask him.

Just a word to the wise, when Mike Tyson was in his heyday, some of his fights had odds of -2500.  In other words, you had to lay $2500 to win $100 if you bet on Tyson. Then one day he was boxing a guy named Buster Douglas in Japan. The bookies loved that one.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

YOU'RE A LIAR.....!!!!

Happy?

Actually, i really don't believe you're lying, just twisting the truth or embellishing it. Like I said before, it's possible to look for things like France subconciously. You may not be puposely looking for them, but in the back of your mind you are....

twisting the truth or 'embellishing' it  ------>  is lying.

there is no grey area in these matters.

once a person moves one stitch toward twisting the truth,  they have lost all things sacred in the truth game,  and their position falls to the ground in unbelievable fashion (pun intended)

but that's not an explanation when it comes to occurances beyond my control.

i cannot make a student say it,  especially when we were not talking about anything that would lend itself to that.

i cannot "orchaestrate" seeing references to paris or france in a movie where there is no previous indication the movie i was about to see had french references in it. 

how do i "make that happen"?

on and on and on.    if you could eliminate all the days my "french" occurances happened without my making them happen,  and you could subtract those from the streak,  and demonstrate one day  where that broke the streak,  then and only then would you have a case against me of it me just being aware of it.

funny,  i don't see you copying that feat,  since it's so "factual" it's just because i am looking for it.

you know all these anti "contradiction" arguements,  but you refuse to do one simple qualification test of your own.

between the two of us, your the one that's lying about it,  because you can't (and won't) duplicate what you claim is "happening"

it's a running ethical joke in comparisons to your spouting matches

*****************************************************************************************

 

yes i "look" for france everyday,  and you know given my claims ........i have to,  to see if it's still on,   or it's over.

 

i think i said it before,   sometimes it's taken all the way up to around 11:50pm or so to happen before the disqualification time of 12am.    right up to the nubbin,  but hook slides right into home where the umpire has to call "SAAAAAAFE"

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

What are you saying, that we should just believe your testimonial, without proof?

Is that what you do?

I just got done saying he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said. That's enough proof for me.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 16, 2011

joker17,

Obviosuly you just knee-jerk and reply without reading what you're replying to. Did I say the dog track barred him? I said the sportsbook barred him.

A lot of people play at sports and racebooks because the track doesn't make a dime off of them, there's no parking or entry fee or any of that.

Really gone dog and pony bettors move to Nevada for that very reason (if there's no OTB where they live).

As for the Pick 4 system, why not just borrow the 5 large and make your score and post your winning tickets in the winnign ticket thread, if you're that confident about it. Or are you?

Does the guy also give out other number to other people? So many that he's going to show a winner somewhere? Ever heard of Mike W? His Five-Star NFL picks went 15-2 season after season, just ask him.

Just a word to the wise, when Mike Tyson was in his heyday, some of his fights had odds of -2500.  In other words, you had to lay $2500 to win $100 if you bet on Tyson. Then one day he was boxing a guy named Buster Douglas in Japan. The bookies loved that one.

You wanna lend me the 5 large?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

twisting the truth or 'embellishing' it  ------>  is lying.

there is no grey area in these matters.

once a person moves one stitch toward twisting the truth,  they have lost all things sacred in the truth game,  and their position falls to the ground in unbelievable fashion (pun intended)

but that's not an explanation when it comes to occurances beyond my control.

i cannot make a student say it,  especially when we were not talking about anything that would lend itself to that.

i cannot "orchaestrate" seeing references to paris or france in a movie where there is no previous indication the movie i was about to see had french references in it. 

how do i "make that happen"?

on and on and on.    if you could eliminate all the days my "french" occurances happened without my making them happen,  and you could subtract those from the streak,  and demonstrate one day  where that broke the streak,  then and only then would you have a case against me of it me just being aware of it.

funny,  i don't see you copying that feat,  since it's so "factual" it's just because i am looking for it.

you know all these anti "contradiction" arguements,  but you refuse to do one simple qualification test of your own.

between the two of us, your the one that's lying about it,  because you can't (and won't) duplicate what you claim is "happening"

it's a running ethical joke in comparisons to your spouting matches

*****************************************************************************************

 

yes i "look" for france everyday,  and you know given my claims ........i have to,  to see if it's still on,   or it's over.

 

i think i said it before,   sometimes it's taken all the way up to around 11:50pm or so to happen before the disqualification time of 12am.    right up to the nubbin,  but hook slides right into home where the umpire has to call "SAAAAAAFE"

More lies....

Give it up already. Your claims are only that...CLAIMS....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

twisting the truth or 'embellishing' it  ------>  is lying.

there is no grey area in these matters.

once a person moves one stitch toward twisting the truth,  they have lost all things sacred in the truth game,  and their position falls to the ground in unbelievable fashion (pun intended)

but that's not an explanation when it comes to occurances beyond my control.

i cannot make a student say it,  especially when we were not talking about anything that would lend itself to that.

i cannot "orchaestrate" seeing references to paris or france in a movie where there is no previous indication the movie i was about to see had french references in it. 

how do i "make that happen"?

on and on and on.    if you could eliminate all the days my "french" occurances happened without my making them happen,  and you could subtract those from the streak,  and demonstrate one day  where that broke the streak,  then and only then would you have a case against me of it me just being aware of it.

funny,  i don't see you copying that feat,  since it's so "factual" it's just because i am looking for it.

you know all these anti "contradiction" arguements,  but you refuse to do one simple qualification test of your own.

between the two of us, your the one that's lying about it,  because you can't (and won't) duplicate what you claim is "happening"

it's a running ethical joke in comparisons to your spouting matches

*****************************************************************************************

 

yes i "look" for france everyday,  and you know given my claims ........i have to,  to see if it's still on,   or it's over.

 

i think i said it before,   sometimes it's taken all the way up to around 11:50pm or so to happen before the disqualification time of 12am.    right up to the nubbin,  but hook slides right into home where the umpire has to call "SAAAAAAFE"

when my reputation is on the line,  i will wait around to see what someone attempts to do to it,  to either actually bother to test out what i say thru provided testable methodologies,  or if they are only interested in their agenda,  and not the "truth".

when it descends that far,   where they pull up just short of calling me a liar in reference to not being willing on my part to back up whatever i am claiming at that conversation,  i reach for the gearshift and throw it into a higher gear.

the last thing you will ever catch me doing in these scenario's is pulling the emergency brake,  or going in reverse.

hence,  here is my "keeping my word"...

my journal pic

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

and another one.  i eliminated portions that contained personal info.   the dates and times are there.

"still france everyday"  doesn't mean occasionally, once in awhile,  only when i "make it happen"

the great thing about my life. .......i don't need to fabricate anything about it.  i just let it happen,  and adjust accordingly.

which is why a guy like me can experience things like these.

guys like you, who don't want to,  never will

france proof

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

that's a crock,  as far as why you "believe" the alledged proof. 

you believe it only because it solely favors something you want to be true.

you suffer from selective proof inhalation.

 

i showed you prior written beforehand proof i had, and you systematically reject it just because it doesn't favor how you want these things to shake out.

you even schickened out of asking todd,  to check behind me to "prove" i was lying

like i said accurately about you,  i could win the lottery in france, and your selective proof inhalation would reach all time toxic levels.   

the excuses on that one would probably make you self implode even

give yourself a break, joker.

"proof" isn't what you run to anyway

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

france, oh yeah

 

 

i could go on ya know.   i do have nearly 3 years of documentation. 

i created a timeline for you and anyone else to examine.

  aug 2008 is my first entry about it after "it" started crossing the line from "ummm, there might BE something here",  to "definetly there is something here,   and i better document it".

aug 2008 till now.      not one day missed on the validation scale.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

You wanna lend me the 5 large?

To play lotto with?

The vig would eat up any winnings you did make.

Scared

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Joker, are you going to at least thank me for doing a job you were unwilling to do?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

france, oh yeah

 

 

i could go on ya know.   i do have nearly 3 years of documentation. 

i created a timeline for you and anyone else to examine.

  aug 2008 is my first entry about it after "it" started crossing the line from "ummm, there might BE something here",  to "definetly there is something here,   and i better document it".

aug 2008 till now.      not one day missed on the validation scale.

White Flag

Just posting to tell you that your "france, oh yeah" photos are not showing.   Is anyone seeing them?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

I just got done saying he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said. That's enough proof for me.

"he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said."

 

Like you always say, it can't be true unless you can prove it.

So prove it.

Otherwise it's just a fairytale.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 16, 2011

White Flag

Just posting to tell you that your "france, oh yeah" photos are not showing.   Is anyone seeing them?

He must be hoping you're on the beach wearing Speedos.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

"he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said."

 

Like you always say, it can't be true unless you can prove it.

So prove it.

Otherwise it's just a fairytale.

Nice try but the difference between claiming you know for a fact that the Christian God is the right one, and someone proving to me their system works is like apple and oranges. It was proven to me with no doubts whatsoever. Numbers don't lie. But to compare that with some mystical mumbo jumbo and can't prove it is the most rediculous analogy I've heard.

I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE.

Nice try, but try it on someone else.

Quit while you're NOT ahead...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

Nice try but the difference between claiming you know for a fact that the Christian God is the right one, and someone proving to me their system works is like apple and oranges. It was proven to me with no doubts whatsoever. Numbers don't lie. But to compare that with some mystical mumbo jumbo and can't prove it is the most rediculous analogy I've heard.

I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE.

Nice try, but try it on someone else.

Quit while you're NOT ahead...

Just as I thought, a fairytale.

The guy who demands proof of everything can't come up with any for his own claims. 250 K in 6 months on Pick4, yeah right.

Oh but wait... that's right... you saw the proof, so we know it's the truth. All we need is your word, while you demand proof of everything from us.

OK, I get it now.

Joker, the Grand Arbiter of Truth!

Pfffffttttt!

Fairytales.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

Nice try but the difference between claiming you know for a fact that the Christian God is the right one, and someone proving to me their system works is like apple and oranges. It was proven to me with no doubts whatsoever. Numbers don't lie. But to compare that with some mystical mumbo jumbo and can't prove it is the most rediculous analogy I've heard.

I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE.

Nice try, but try it on someone else.

Quit while you're NOT ahead...

"I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE."

 

OK, I'll do exactly as you said you do in the above paragraph:

Give me proof of the 250 K win on Pick4 in 6 months. I'm not going to believe you on blind faith, I'm asking for proof. I want physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE. 

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

He must be hoping you're on the beach wearing Speedos.

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

Yes, but I don't think you'd like them.

You might be able to get some of Democrat Anthony Weiner in his bra and panties if you try though.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

Same here, red x

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

Just as I thought, a fairytale.

The guy who demands proof of everything can't come up with any for his own claims. 250 K in 6 months on Pick4, yeah right.

Oh but wait... that's right... you saw the proof, so we know it's the truth. All we need is your word, while you demand proof of everything from us.

OK, I get it now.

Joker, the Grand Arbiter of Truth!

Pfffffttttt!

Fairytales.

I saw the proof and that's what counts. On the other hand, you can't claim you saw your proof.

Do you see how idiotic you sound?

Can you claim you saw your proof?.......I'll make it easy for you to answer......NO!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 17, 2011

"I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE."

 

OK, I'll do exactly as you said you do in the above paragraph:

Give me proof of the 250 K win on Pick4 in 6 months. I'm not going to believe you on blind faith, I'm asking for proof. I want physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE. 

You must be hitting the juice.

I'm saying you believe in your religion on blind faith with NO PROOF.

I'm saying I believe the system with 100% PROOF.

CAN YOU CALIM TO HAVE PROOF?

I highly doubt it.

joker17

Let me put it this way Ridge. I'm not asking you to prove it to me, I'm asking whether you can claim that you saw proof.

Let me guess, you've seen the word "Spain" for the past 10 years, every single day....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

I saw the proof and that's what counts. On the other hand, you can't claim you saw your proof.

Do you see how idiotic you sound?

Can you claim you saw your proof?.......I'll make it easy for you to answer......NO!

Proof of what?

I'm not the one making wild claims.

In fact I haven't made any claims.

But some guy on the internet tells you he won a 1/4 mill on P4 in 6 months and it's Gospel truth!

Yeah, right.

Pffffftttttt!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

You must be hitting the juice.

I'm saying you believe in your religion on blind faith with NO PROOF.

I'm saying I believe the system with 100% PROOF.

CAN YOU CALIM TO HAVE PROOF?

I highly doubt it.

Yeah, I could claim to have proof I saw your little green spacemen that let 20,000 kids die a day.

But that don't mean I really did, does it?

Whatta you nuts?

Listen to yourself!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 17, 2011

Proof of what?

I'm not the one making wild claims.

In fact I haven't made any claims.

But some guy on the internet tells you he won a 1/4 mill on P4 in 6 months and it's Gospel truth!

Yeah, right.

Pffffftttttt!

I see, now you're gonna play dumb.

Can you claim that you saw proof that the Christion God is the correct one?

Stop doing the twist and answer the freakin question because I have to go to bed and work tomorrow.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 17, 2011

Yeah, I could claim to have proof I saw your little green spacemen that let 20,000 kids die a day.

But that don't mean I really did, does it?

Whatta you nuts?

Listen to yourself!

You can't answer a simple question...Good night!!!

PATHETIC brainwashed fool.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

Let me put it this way Ridge. I'm not asking you to prove it to me, I'm asking whether you can claim that you saw proof.

Let me guess, you've seen the word "Spain" for the past 10 years, every single day....

Because you claim you saw something makes it true?

You're having a full blown meltdown, dude.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

You can't answer a simple question...Good night!!!

PATHETIC brainwashed fool.

Get some help Joker.

You're really coming unhinged.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

You can't answer a simple question...Good night!!!

PATHETIC brainwashed fool.

Don't pass out yet!

Your Grand Finale of Defeat isn't complete until you call me a racist!!

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Poor soul, he's just too high strung, that's all.

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I should take him under my wing.

I think he just needs a little positive reinforcement.

We'll get those crazy ideas out of his head in no time.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

anyone notice joker didn't make one comment concerning the pics of my journal i posted ?

i wonder why that is?   

at least i "manned up",  and backed up my claim with photographic proof instead of bloviating about it as if it's "true"

 

joker never will concerning his alledged "claim"

you will never see hard evidence,  because there isn't any "hard evidence"

if there was,  joker would have slammed these posts with 6 pages of it,  iffin there was that much material

kinda like the missing photo of the $1000 check he told the board he was going after Thud

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

anyone notice joker didn't make one comment concerning the pics of my journal i posted ?

i wonder why that is?   

at least i "manned up",  and backed up my claim with photographic proof instead of bloviating about it as if it's "true"

 

joker never will concerning his alledged "claim"

you will never see hard evidence,  because there isn't any "hard evidence"

if there was,  joker would have slammed these posts with 6 pages of it,  iffin there was that much material

kinda like the missing photo of the $1000 check he told the board he was going after Thud

Roger that.

Everyone has to show him proof of everything or it's not true.

He, on the other hand, just has to claim he saw evidence of something and it's automatically unquestionable Gospel truth.

No evidence needed.

Why?

Because he said so, that's why.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

i can't see it either.

it was a red x when i copy and pasted the internet address into the "insert/edit image" thingy.

when i went to review it,  it was only a red x,  i couldn't see the image myself.

i loaded it onto the post anyway,  hoping others could see it even if i couldn't.

up until today, i have never loaded a photo. 

 a picture of a photo from google images / gif's etc,  but never a personal photo.

i went today to flikr,  created an account,  took the pics,  and then downloaded them to flikr,  so that is where (flikr) i tried to load it onto LP from.

if for some reason that's the wrong way to do it,  tell me how in a way my limited computer skills will grasp,  and i will fix it so everyone can view it

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

the point i am making with him,  is that i could care less what he ends up believing,  that's his personal choice.

but,  don't assault other people about what they believe,  and then when someone turns the tables on you with the same exact spotlight you throw on everyone else,  don't descend into an excuse making wuss.

man up,  and be ready to see what you claim thru it's logical conclusion,  then let everyone decide after you have been man enough to throw it all out there......what it all really adds up to

i don't "follow thru" for joker's sake.

joker's angle has been exposed as the angst that it is.

i follow thru because it's what men of position and backbone do.

shoot,  i was willing to have joker arrange for some stranger to meet me and view my journal.

a risky move on my part,  not knowing who he really would have made the arrangements with.

not for fear of my safety,  because i think joker is out there,  but not 'physical revenge' out there.

but because someone could have taken pictures of me.   they could have followed me to my car,  and taken down my plate number,  etc.          then who knows where that could have descended to

that is how "willing" i was to back up my deal,   irregardless of joker's reaction to it.

why?    because i keep my word.

you at least have a reason to trust what a man of his word is saying / claiming,  when they actually do what they say they can.

you cannot trust people who go the other direction during the course of these issues.

 

i have everything to lose in here credibility wise by all that i am being transparent about in my personal life,  but i am willing to go that far to prove my claim

you can see....i am all in

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"...don't assault other people about what they believe, and then when someone turns the tables on you with the same exact spotlight you throw on everyone else, don't descend into an excuse making wuss."

 

That's all I'm talkin' about.

But like the Warden said in Cool Hand Luke: "What we got heah... is a failyuh to communicate.  Some men... you just cain't reach."

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i just remembered,  i need to keep my word about something else

back quite a awhile ago there was a thread about people posting a pic if they wanted to of themselves.

i said i would,  if i could figure out how to do that,  but until today,  i didn't know how.

i am not inclined to show my face,  so this is about all you get.

keeping my word.    it's what i do

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5841192275/in/photostream/

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5840268857/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5840817946/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5840270757/in/photostream/

 

see if that works.

and no,  no one stepped up and offered help to figure it out

"see if that works."

Yes, those links take you to your pics and they work.

"and no,  no one stepped up and offered help to figure it out"

Well, Todd may not be monitoring this thread anymore and he would be the prime person to ask for help.  He does have a web page about posting pics.

That would be here:

Posting an image in a forum message, Blog entry, or for your avatar | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/help/131640

I didn't step up "yet" because I didn't spend all night here.  Wink      ...but never let it be said that I won't help because of differences in our various ideas.

I don't believe Flickr is friendly to allowing pics posted there to also be posted elsewhere on the net.  In fact, I think they do the exact opposite to keep total control of pics posted there.  I haven't got much experience with them, but I did read some "help" from their website.  If anyone does know how to post a pic here from Flickr, kindly show us how.

I like either Photobucket or Tinypic (which is owned by Photobucket).  Tinypic, in my opinion, is the easier one.

TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting:
http://tinypic.com/

Let's see if we can make you an expert  pic poster (or at least close)!

It's easy to open a free account and upload pics there.  When you initially upload a pic - you will see your pic and a list of several links to choose from.   The link to use for LP is the one labeled "Direct Link for Layouts." 

Link description

Then when you open Todds editor(s) - there is a small tree, first row, towards the right in the toolbar.  "Insert/Edit Image"  Paste the "Direct Link" in there - a small image should appear, which indicates it should also appear in your post.  Add a description and/or title if you want and click Insert.  Your pic should appear right where your cursor was sitting. 

Optional - don't know how much you work with images but a handy program for your computer is called IrfanView.  Freeware.  It does just about anything to pics and runs various videos as well.  I used it to slightly enlarge, sharpen and rotate your pic.  There are other similar programs also available, you may already have one.  If you do decide to download it, also download the plug-ins.

IrfanView - Official Homepage - one of the most popular viewers worldwide:
http://www.irfanview.com/

VisionDude1

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

i just remembered,  i need to keep my word about something else

back quite a awhile ago there was a thread about people posting a pic if they wanted to of themselves.

i said i would,  if i could figure out how to do that,  but until today,  i didn't know how.

i am not inclined to show my face,  so this is about all you get.

keeping my word.    it's what i do

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5841192275/in/photostream/

Vision Dude's Photo

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Vision Dude's Photo

Geez, that's a little harsh, no?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 17, 2011

Geez, that's a little harsh, no?

naw,  it's cool.

the time for my photo insertion came and went because at the time i wasn't able to figure out the LP photo insertion deal

that's the only reason i didn't then.   wasn't meant to be at that time,  me hypothesizes.

 

thanks truecritic for your extensive effort to teach me how to photo insert. 

i do appreciate it.

btw truecritic,  you caught my "drift". 

i wasn't whinning that no one helped,  what i was doing was demonstrating the reason why no one did,  that people pick agenda over people,  and refuse to do the right thing based around those barriers.

H5 for looking past that,  and doing the "right thing".

and no,  i am not amongst the 3.     those are systems players that i had a discussion with about buying just 1QP.

when i thought they were looking back at me,  i raised my hands in that gesture specific "hey,  don't forget"

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Vision Dude's Photo

Cheap shot.

Why don't you post one of yourself so we can make fun of you too.

You ain't got the cojones.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

naw,  it's cool.

the time for my photo insertion came and went because at the time i wasn't able to figure out the LP photo insertion deal

that's the only reason i didn't then.   wasn't meant to be at that time,  me hypothesizes.

 

thanks truecritic for your extensive effort to teach me how to photo insert. 

i do appreciate it.

btw truecritic,  you caught my "drift". 

i wasn't whinning that no one helped,  what i was doing was demonstrating the reason why no one did,  that people pick agenda over people,  and refuse to do the right thing based around those barriers.

H5 for looking past that,  and doing the "right thing".

and no,  i am not amongst the 3.     those are systems players that i had a discussion with about buying just 1QP.

when i thought they were looking back at me,  i raised my hands in that gesture specific "hey,  don't forget"

You're welcome.  If you have any problems trying, let me know.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

You're welcome.  If you have any problems trying, let me know.

Nice.   A Rodney king  / kumbaya moment.

A little respect, and a paving truck with the ability to carve out a nice clean divided highway is all it takes for a little peace in here.

Hopefully joker won't ruin it by coming back in here and posting photographic proof .....of his "proof".

Some people would think the above 2 statements are diametrically opposed to a desired result.

Other people will totally understand why I made them :)

joker17

journal

 

Thanx so much for the proof Vision. I really appreciate it. I've now seen the light.

First thing tomorrow, I'm skipping work and finding the nearest Christian church to get baptised.

Which denomination would you suggest?

joker17

Poor Ridge, I ax him a simple question, and he can't give me a YES or NO.

Thinking of...

joker17

Hey Vision, you just gave me a great idea.

I'm gonna write a month long journal about what a safe driver I am. Then, If a cop stops me for speeding I can show him my journal as proof that I'm a safer driver than he thinks I am. Based on what I've learned tonight, I believe this will truly work . I think I can beat the ticket with this.

Maybe if everyone on the planet kept journals, no courtrooms, lawyers, or judges would ever be needed.

Thanx again for the insight Vision. 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Poor Ridge, I ax him a simple question, and he can't give me a YES or NO.

Thinking of...

The idea that people need Religious Police watching over them was obviously ingrained in you in your childhood in that country where you were born.

It's not your fault, you have been programmed to think that's the way it should be.

I have come to accept that.

I accept that you are the Chief of the Religious Police here.

And your Deputies are Nancy, little mario (the international midget of mystery) and truecricket.

 

Just consider me one of the infidels.

 

Now get busy making sure no Christians mention praying or anything like that.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

joker17

Poor Ridge, I ax him a simple question, and he can't give me a YES or NO.

Thinking of...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

The idea that people need Religious Police watching over them was obviously ingrained in you in your childhood in that country where you were born.

It's not your fault, you have been programmed to think that's the way it should be.

I have come to accept that.

I accept that you are the Chief of the Religious Police here.

And your Deputies are Nancy, little mario (the international midget of mystery) and truecricket.

 

Just consider me one of the infidels.

 

Now get busy making sure no Christians mention praying or anything like that.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

You have no proof that your delusion is the correct delusion.

Hopefully one day you'll wake up. Hopefully.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

You have no proof that your delusion is the correct delusion.

Hopefully one day you'll wake up. Hopefully.

I don't need proof.

All I have to do is say I saw proof.

Like you do.

Then it's Gospel.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

journal

 

Thanx so much for the proof Vision. I really appreciate it. I've now seen the light.

First thing tomorrow, I'm skipping work and finding the nearest Christian church to get baptised.

Which denomination would you suggest?

no problem,  just demonstrating what men in a position of strength do,  by actually doing what they said they would do.

i stated i had it, and i followed thru with that claim.

instead of talking about it,  i showed it  (unlike you).

whatever you or anyone else does with the addition of it (collectively speaking) is beyond my concern.

all my responsibility entails is doing what i am supposed to do,  at the time i am supposed to do it,  and not to deviate from it's end result just because toothless sharks surround me

we are all still waiting for the "proof" of that email you told us all you had sent.    where is it ?

 it's not my fault you can't keep your word, and i can......that's on you, joker   

 you cannot tie your personal boat anchor to my leg.     

 when you step in it,  clean your shoe,  or everyone in the room will eventually smell it

i am considering starting my own church,  and calling it "no joke ministries".    yes, you would be the inspiration thereof.

would you like to be the first congregant?     i will allow heckling,  because heckling will force me to sharpen my focus.

you can bring up the "20,000 kids a day" thingy,  because when i explain to the congregation how that works,  that will make Christmas and easter sermons a walk in the park.

you don't have to worry about "baptism".   baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

just show up,  and as you grow in your new relationship with God,  and you still desire to be baptized,  we can do that.

seeing that baptism is purely symbolic,  baptism in water isn't necessary,  as what matters is the condition of the heart,  not the flouride in the water.   ("clorine" for some people,  for obvious reasons)

that said,  it would be my honor to baptize you by pouring a heineken over your head. 

remember,  it ain't the liquid,  it's the "heart" that matters.   might as well make it relateable

pray about it and get back to me.  i will be here doing what i always do (whatever that is for the moment),  until God decides my time at LP is kaput.

at which time you can troll around with angst in tow,  bloviHATE to the choir,  and still never put up the goods.

you talk more trash then just about anyone i know,  with the least amount of chance of getting a job driving a garbage truck.

if only you could back up,  more than you complain

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

The idea that people need Religious Police watching over them was obviously ingrained in you in your childhood in that country where you were born.

It's not your fault, you have been programmed to think that's the way it should be.

I have come to accept that.

I accept that you are the Chief of the Religious Police here.

And your Deputies are Nancy, little mario (the international midget of mystery) and truecricket.

 

Just consider me one of the infidels.

 

Now get busy making sure no Christians mention praying or anything like that.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

I don't need proof.

All I have to do is say I saw proof.

Like you do.

Then it's Gospel.

Can you claim that you saw physical proof that the Christian God is the right one? Very simple question.....

And if you ever answer YES, what was the proof?

You don't have to prove it to me. I just want a YES or NO.

Very simple question, YES or NO.....Have you seen proof with your very own eyes?.....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

no problem,  just demonstrating what men in a position of strength do,  by actually doing what they said they would do.

i stated i had it, and i followed thru with that claim.

instead of talking about it,  i showed it  (unlike you).

whatever you or anyone else does with the addition of it (collectively speaking) is beyond my concern.

all my responsibility entails is doing what i am supposed to do,  at the time i am supposed to do it,  and not to deviate from it's end result just because toothless sharks surround me

we are all still waiting for the "proof" of that email you told us all you had sent.    where is it ?

 it's not my fault you can't keep your word, and i can......that's on you, joker   

 you cannot tie your personal boat anchor to my leg.     

 when you step in it,  clean your shoe,  or everyone in the room will eventually smell it

i am considering starting my own church,  and calling it "no joke ministries".    yes, you would be the inspiration thereof.

would you like to be the first congregant?     i will allow heckling,  because heckling will force me to sharpen my focus.

you can bring up the "20,000 kids a day" thingy,  because when i explain to the congregation how that works,  that will make Christmas and easter sermons a walk in the park.

you don't have to worry about "baptism".   baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

just show up,  and as you grow in your new relationship with God,  and you still desire to be baptized,  we can do that.

seeing that baptism is purely symbolic,  baptism in water isn't necessary,  as what matters is the condition of the heart,  not the flouride in the water.   ("clorine" for some people,  for obvious reasons)

that said,  it would be my honor to baptize you by pouring a heineken over your head. 

remember,  it ain't the liquid,  it's the "heart" that matters.   might as well make it relateable

pray about it and get back to me.  i will be here doing what i always do (whatever that is for the moment),  until God decides my time at LP is kaput.

at which time you can troll around with angst in tow,  bloviHATE to the choir,  and still never put up the goods.

you talk more trash then just about anyone i know,  with the least amount of chance of getting a job driving a garbage truck.

if only you could back up,  more than you complain

baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

 

Thanx for the interpretation. I'm glad your interpretation of Baptism was the correct one. I guess all those other idiots who said it was necessary were just wrong.

Man, I'm learning so much tonight, I should say today...lol

God bless you Vision...And i mean that.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

"It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat."

 

I get it.

You can police other people.

But nobody should dare police you.

Have I got that right now?

Makes perfect sense to me.Crazy

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

your a liar,  joker.

you called perfectiming a "dumbass" in this thread because they enumerated their beliefs. 

and only because they cited scripture.

once in a purple pumperknickle moon you are "respectful" in your approach to this.

but mostly,  your just an angst driven trolling to start trouble on purpose jerk

unlike i have,  perfectiming has never come close to flyswatting you.

you called them a "dumbass" for no reason.

well,  not for "no reason".       your angst about this is way out of bounds,  and your claims of being here for "educational" altruistic reasons is pure garbage.

whatever someone else did to you when you were younger in the "name" of Christianity,  you think somehow it's righteous to take it out on us,  or God.

we didn't do anything to you,  and neither did God.....so go get help,  or find another scapegoat 

your act is old,  and might i add...... it's gathering RUST

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Can you claim that you saw physical proof that the Christian God is the right one? Very simple question.....

And if you ever answer YES, what was the proof?

You don't have to prove it to me. I just want a YES or NO.

Very simple question, YES or NO.....Have you seen proof with your very own eyes?.....

Show me where I made a claim anywhere that I need to prove.

The only claim I've made is that you harass Christians here and you've provided all the proof anyone needs of that.

You were brainwashed as a child that people need spys watching them all the time.

Well pally, we don't play that here.

We believe in religious freedom.

There's people like you still over there beating women in the streets for showing their ankles.

Go straighten them out!

Americans will be just fine without you browbeating them about their Christian beliefs.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

"It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat."

 

I get it.

You can police other people.

But nobody should dare police you.

Have I got that right now?

Makes perfect sense to me.Crazy

You're complaining of me policing, when you started the whole process. That's what you're lacking in your understanding.

I make a comment, and you delegate what I can say and can't say. Actually, you said I was attacking Christianity when the poster said she thanked God, when all I did was ask a question to another poster in that original thread. Go back and read it. 

I don't have a right to ask a question without being labeled an "Attacker"?........

Police state anyone? 

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

"who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE"....

 ok,  i will drive down this 6 lane highway with my seatbelt off...

what in your mind constitutes "hard evidence" ???

you know,  the kind that leads you into a belief thereof,  and not some lame excusitory stretch armstrong act #2,386

you throw out curveball terms,  in order to sell the notion that you are after "THE TRUTH".

truth really is that your not after anything but the truth,   which is why we are all now goose-pimpley waiting for your definition of

 hard evidence

  WELL ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Show me where I made a claim anywhere that I need to prove.

The only claim I've made is that you harass Christians here and you've provided all the proof anyone needs of that.

You were brainwashed as a child that people need spys watching them all the time.

Well pally, we don't play that here.

We believe in religious freedom.

There's people like you still over there beating women in the streets for showing their ankles.

Go straighten them out!

Americans will be just fine without you browbeating them about their Christian beliefs.

Why is it so hard to answer a simple question without racism being invoked in the equation? Once again, objectivity in question.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

 

Thanx for the interpretation. I'm glad your interpretation of Baptism was the correct one. I guess all those other idiots who said it was necessary were just wrong.

Man, I'm learning so much tonight, I should say today...lol

God bless you Vision...And i mean that.

aren't you going to thank me for coming up with the unique idea of baptizing you with a bottle of heineken?

unless you steal my idea,  you will go your whole life,  and no one will come up with that. 

maybe some perrier,  which of course is not from italy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

your a liar,  joker.

you called perfectiming a "dumbass" in this thread because they enumerated their beliefs. 

and only because they cited scripture.

once in a purple pumperknickle moon you are "respectful" in your approach to this.

but mostly,  your just an angst driven trolling to start trouble on purpose jerk

unlike i have,  perfectiming has never come close to flyswatting you.

you called them a "dumbass" for no reason.

well,  not for "no reason".       your angst about this is way out of bounds,  and your claims of being here for "educational" altruistic reasons is pure garbage.

whatever someone else did to you when you were younger in the "name" of Christianity,  you think somehow it's righteous to take it out on us,  or God.

we didn't do anything to you,  and neither did God.....so go get help,  or find another scapegoat 

your act is old,  and might i add...... it's gathering RUST

I'm getting tired of babysitting you. Let me reiterate. Once i get enough BS from you, I can only take so much. I hate repeating myself. It gets tiresome, and shows me that the tough questions like I'm asking are purposely being eluded. Instead of you owning up and realizing that you and the rest of Humanity can't answer the tough questions, only then you will conquer denial. Until then, it's just a delusion you want to keep up because you are afraid of your own mortality. Nothing less, nothing more.

We all need something to believe in, but fooling ourselves for the sake of comfort is not up to my standards. Sorry, but i can't fool myself. I'm aware of too much information. Even If i wanted to convince myself, I couldn't.

I wish you well in all your endeavors Vision...and Ridge....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Why is it so hard to answer a simple question without racism being invoked in the equation? Once again, objectivity in question.

Ya know joker, sometimes I give you too much credit. At one time I would have thought you were more of a man than to hide behind the race card everytime you start losing an argument. I don't even know what race you are nor do I care. And where did I mention your race or put you down for it?

Can't you stand on your own two feet?

Act like a man, for @$%&  sake.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

yep,  your just a nice concerned human being looking for the truth,  and respectfully engaging others while hoping to find it.

as far as i know,  unlike you and i,  you don't even have any prior history with this person,  and that makes it worse

this was just your true self coming out.

well,  that and a few heinken-isms

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Ya know joker, sometimes I give you too much credit. At one time I would have thought you were more of a man than to hide behind the race card everytime you start losing an argument. I don't even know what race you are nor do I care. And where did I mention your race or put you down for it?

Can't you stand on your own two feet?

Act like a man, for @$%&  sake.

I don't even know what race you are nor do I care

 

What?

if you don't know what race I am, then why make middle eastern racist comments? Did you just happen to pick one out of a hat?

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

yep,  your just a nice concerned human being looking for the truth,  and respectfully engaging others while hoping to find it.

as far as i know,  unlike you and i,  you don't even have any prior history with this person,  and that makes it worse

this was just your true self coming out.

well,  that and a few heinken-isms

Perfecttiming is a Christian lady. A nice lady.

That was mild, calling her a dumbass for quoting Scripture.

She's lucky she didn't meet him on the streets in the old country where he got all his ideas.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

yep,  your just a nice concerned human being looking for the truth,  and respectfully engaging others while hoping to find it.

as far as i know,  unlike you and i,  you don't even have any prior history with this person,  and that makes it worse

this was just your true self coming out.

well,  that and a few heinken-isms

Wouldn't you call me a dumbass if I said I saw a book that said THOR was the right God?

I would.

Again, it never starts out this way, but after repeated and failed attempts of putting some common sense into the equation, and it's rejected or eluded without a sensible response, and the only thing folks have is passages from the Bible, it becomes too overwhelming for me. I don't have time to babysit people.

This is fundamental stuff folks. I'm far exceeding the obvious contradictions that amatuer debaters engage in.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Perfecttiming is a Christian lady. A nice lady.

That was mild, calling her a dumbass for quoting Scripture.

She's lucky she didn't meet him on the streets in the old country where he got all his ideas.

I never called her a dumbass. Stop lying.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I'm getting tired of babysitting you. Let me reiterate. Once i get enough BS from you, I can only take so much. I hate repeating myself. It gets tiresome, and shows me that the tough questions like I'm asking are purposely being eluded. Instead of you owning up and realizing that you and the rest of Humanity can't answer the tough questions, only then you will conquer denial. Until then, it's just a delusion you want to keep up because you are afraid of your own mortality. Nothing less, nothing more.

We all need something to believe in, but fooling ourselves for the sake of comfort is not up to my standards. Sorry, but i can't fool myself. I'm aware of too much information. Even If i wanted to convince myself, I couldn't.

I wish you well in all your endeavors Vision...and Ridge....

in the immortal words of jack nicholson (after about 5,738 "girlfriends") ...."you can't handle the truth"

shoot,  you can't even handle the PM function at LP,  you can't send an email to guy you said you did,  you can't post a pic of a $1000 check,  you can't call some dude in sacramento and make arrangements to view my journal so you could legitimately call me a liar,  and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic.

and you accuse us of avoidance?

your kettle has baked in the sun too long, to worry about whenever it was black

we like you better in the morning,  when you are not "inspired" by little green bottles

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I don't even know what race you are nor do I care

 

What?

if you don't know what race I am, then why make middle eastern racist comments? Did you just happen to pick one out of a hat?

When I said people like you beat women in the streets I meant just that - people like you beat women in the streets because they don't believe what you tell them to believe or don't dress the way you want or whatever. What the hell has that got to do with race inside of your tiny closed mind?

I was right a couple weeks ago.

You're no man, you're a gutless coward.

Beat it, punk.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I never called her a dumbass. Stop lying.

Yes you did.

I can show you the post if you want.

But you'll still say you didn't.

Cuz you're a natural born liar.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Wouldn't you call me a dumbass if I said I saw a book that said THOR was the right God?

I would.

Again, it never starts out this way, but after repeated and failed attempts of putting some common sense into the equation, and it's rejected or eluded without a sensible response, and the only thing folks have is passages from the Bible, it becomes too overwhelming for me. I don't have time to babysit people.

This is fundamental stuff folks. I'm far exceeding the obvious contradictions that amatuer debaters engage in.

no way in the hot place would i do that.    especially to someone who didn't do a thing to deserve it.

it's but another excuse in your go-to arsenal.   

instead of owning it,  it's an aacceptable part of doing your business against Christians,  and that's why it's "ok"

i could see why your out of control angst would get the better of you,  and you would call me that,  but her?   NEVER

indicator 101

your getting your "debating skill donkey" before the cart.

before you call someone a dumbass,  you have to make sure they actually are one.

shoot,  you couldn't even claim you were drunk when you did it

your an overachiever all right.   you cannot imagine the headway you are making when it comes to this arena of life.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

sleep off your stupor tonight, joker.

tomorrow you get to untie that boat anchor around your leg you referred to as "HARD EVIDENCE".

tomorrow,  i am going to demonstrate (again)  your just a blow hard that flings curveballs around the dugout,  with never an intention of throwing a fastball right over the plate.

even you have no idea what you meant by "HARD EVIDENCE"

you just throw out garbage, and then go on to the next garbage can.

your a superlative among debaters allright.   lol

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I never called her a dumbass. Stop lying.

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

No Problems, Only Solutions....

 

You called her a dumbass, joker.

There's my proof.

Want to call me a liar again?

 

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

joker's  post to perfectiming is on page 19

it actually was at the time of night where heineken is a favored "inspiration"  (10:57pm).

still not an excuse,  and still an example of the 'altruism' of joker's zip code existence

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Yeah, he suddenly went offline when he couldn't weasel out of his last lie.

All I hear is crickets.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

he passed out.

he didn't leave under his own recognizance. 

that guy is starting to give  beer commercials a bad name,  and those are the funniest on tv.

wait till tomorrow.   he won't pay his own cab fare on the "hard evidence" baloney

blow hard,   but at least have bad breath to back it up

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote visiondude...

"and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic."

C'mon, don't do that...that is help information and neutral territory.  Joker knows full well how to post images.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 18, 2011

Quote visiondude...

"and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic."

C'mon, don't do that...that is help information and neutral territory.  Joker knows full well how to post images.

trust me,  it wasn't a diss when i said that.

i told you i appreciated what you did,   and i fully meant it,  it's just that joker is an excuse manufacturing plant,  and i needed to demonstrate his "unwillingness" to prove things he claims,  despite demanding that everyone else does

i already was well aware of the fact joker can post scanned anomalies

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 18, 2011

Quote visiondude...

"and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic."

C'mon, don't do that...that is help information and neutral territory.  Joker knows full well how to post images.

LOL. If there are two qualities that define you, they are these: Typical and predictable.

Some may err with the benefit of doubt but I know one thing - a leopard doesn't change his spots.

Does he, leopard?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

trust me,  it wasn't a diss when i said that.

i told you i appreciated what you did,   and i fully meant it,  it's just that joker is an excuse manufacturing plant,  and i needed to demonstrate his "unwillingness" to prove things he claims,  despite demanding that everyone else does

i already was well aware of the fact joker can post scanned anomalies

He knew full well what you said and what you meant by it.

He can't help himself.

He can't stand to see anybody let down their guard and turn their back for a moment without that overwhelming liberal/atheist urge to plunge a knife into it and run like hell.

That's his M O.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17

"I hate repeating myself....."

Do tell. that's not what we're seeing in this thread or any thread similar to this one.

WT2, over?

What?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Still waiting for the definition of what constitutes "hard evidence"

I want to see that put thru the joker washing machine,  and see what gets spit out this time...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

No Problems, Only Solutions....

 

You called her a dumbass, joker.

There's my proof.

Want to call me a liar again?

 

Now you're both dumbasses because I was talking about the original lady who won 4 grand or whatever.

You and Vision need to hook up and get married. Two dumbass losers.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Yeah, he suddenly went offline when he couldn't weasel out of his last lie.

All I hear is crickets.

I have to actually work for a living, not like a bum like you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 18, 2011

joker17

"I hate repeating myself....."

Do tell. that's not what we're seeing in this thread or any thread similar to this one.

WT2, over?

What?

I can't help it that I have a couple of brainwashed robots that only read what they want to read and discard the rest to fit their agenda.

I'm done with this charade. I don't have the time to talk to 2 brick walls. If they want to live in their religious fantasy worlds let em, who gives a flying frack!!!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

Still waiting for the definition of what constitutes "hard evidence"

I want to see that put thru the joker washing machine,  and see what gets spit out this time...

The word "Evidence" shouldn't even be included in your vocabulary. You wouldn't know evidence If it crawled up your ass.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

The word "Evidence" shouldn't even be included in your vocabulary. You wouldn't know evidence If it crawled up your ass.

(1)  well,   looks like another liquid courage extravanganza tonight from our trans lucid "just here for altrustic reasons" inmate.

(2)  not only lied again about his interaction with perfectiming,  he won't even own it / apologize

(3)  told you the guy never follows thru,  and just wildly sprays the board with his angst.

 

 instead of BACKING UP what he claims is the ultimate brass ring ("hard evidence") in these debates,  he makes yet another excuse,  and attempts to blame me for not doing it.

 

we now have collected "hard evidence" that you blow nothing but smoke

volcanic ash to be exact

joker17

It's futile to present evidence like I have in the past to brainwashed humans who can't think for themselves. Such a pity.

Hopefully one day they will wake up from their trance. I ain't holding my breath.

If it takes fairytales to make you feel better about your pathetic existence, then so beit....

All the power to you...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

It's futile to present evidence like I have in the past to brainwashed humans who can't think for themselves. Such a pity.

Hopefully one day they will wake up from their trance. I ain't holding my breath.

If it takes fairytales to make you feel better about your pathetic existence, then so beit....

All the power to you...

that's an ongoing lying crock

your not shy with anything you do have, and you will expend post after post blasting us with it.

the real reason you don't,  is because you can't

your hookah has cherry flavored volcanic ash in it.

 

in your twisted world,  you will take this as a compliment,  but i don't recall ever seeing someone bloviahate so much,  about so many things, and have so little in the tank when it's their turn.

stage fright isn't your problem.    your problem is when it gets down to it,  you don't have anything anywhere near what you keep telling everyone in here you do.

like i said,  you only have reason to trust a man,  when he backs up what he says everytime.

not you though.   your favorite gear is reverse.

at least i did what i said i would do

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

Still waiting for the definition of what constitutes "hard evidence"

I want to see that put thru the joker washing machine,  and see what gets spit out this time...

i told you so. 

i told you he wouldn't,  and there would be an ensuing "why not"

 

joker doesn't have stage fright,     but "hard evidence" has stage fright for the first time in history.     

  imagine that

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

that's an ongoing lying crock

your not shy with anything you do have, and you will expend post after post blasting us with it.

the real reason you don't,  is because you can't

your hookah has cherry flavored volcanic ash in it.

 

in your twisted world,  you will take this as a compliment,  but i don't recall ever seeing someone bloviahate so much,  about so many things, and have so little in the tank when it's their turn.

stage fright isn't your problem.    your problem is when it gets down to it,  you don't have anything anywhere near what you keep telling everyone in here you do.

like i said,  you only have reason to trust a man,  when he backs up what he says everytime.

not you though.   your favorite gear is reverse.

at least i did what i said i would do

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies out there which are billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

Now you're both dumbasses because I was talking about the original lady who won 4 grand or whatever.

You and Vision need to hook up and get married. Two dumbass losers.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/19

Go back to page 19 and tell me your lies again.

You're not only a liar, you're a horrible liar. You'd think with all the lying you do, you'd get good at it but you haven't.

You honestly think anybody will read your response to Perfecttiming and think you were talking about somebody else?

You are an insufferable moron.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

I have to actually work for a living, not like a bum like you.

I retired before I reached your age, idiot.

Go drive your cab and shut up.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

everyone else besides me knows you will too,  you have to now,  it's all you have for a "defense"

typical joker tactics

he can't handle his own business,  so he creates another diversion,  to keep from his personal responsibility to do it.

go ahead and lie to yourself and everyone else i "never did".

i even covered your specific "diversion" a long time ago in another thread,  and now you have regurgitated it again,  because you can't come up with something new,  and your desperate to go in the other direction of your acclaimed "hard evidence" 

gee,  i can't keep track of all the things you refused to do just in this thread alone

your right,  technically speaking,  i am not worthy.

not really that well versed in the treatment of multiple personality social refusal disorders

i am really good at spotting a case of it,  i just can't dispense meds

your on your own about that one.

btw,  liquid courage does not constitute a physchoILLOGICAL treatment modality

it only worsens the symptoms

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

I can't help it that I have a couple of brainwashed robots that only read what they want to read and discard the rest to fit their agenda.

I'm done with this charade. I don't have the time to talk to 2 brick walls. If they want to live in their religious fantasy worlds let em, who gives a flying frack!!!

"I'm done with this charade. I don't have the time to talk to 2 brick walls. If they want to live in their religious fantasy worlds let em, who gives a flying frack!!!"

 

Well, I'm glad to hear you're through with your charade of being the Religious Police finally!

I'm glad you've finally seen the light and will leave people alone about their religious beliefs now.Hurray!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

everyone else besides me knows you will too,  you have to now,  it's all you have for a "defense"

typical joker tactics

he can't handle his own business,  so he creates another diversion,  to keep from his personal responsibility to do it.

go ahead and lie to yourself and everyone else i "never did".

i even covered your specific "diversion" a long time ago in another thread,  and now you have regurgitated it again,  because you can't come up with something new,  and your desperate to go in the other direction of your acclaimed "hard evidence" 

gee,  i can't keep track of all the things you refused to do just in this thread alone

your right,  technically speaking,  i am not worthy.

not really that well versed in the treatment of multiple personality social refusal disorders

i am really good at spotting a case of it,  i just can't dispense meds

your on your own about that one.

btw,  liquid courage does not constitute a physchoILLOGICAL treatment modality

it only worsens the symptoms

Can't answer for whatever reason? Simply Don't know? Which one is it?

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies out there billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

It's futile to present evidence like I have in the past to brainwashed humans who can't think for themselves. Such a pity.

Hopefully one day they will wake up from their trance. I ain't holding my breath.

If it takes fairytales to make you feel better about your pathetic existence, then so beit....

All the power to you...

NEWS FLASH - Nobody cares what you think about Christians and what they should believe.

Go straighten out your own country first and then come back and tell us Christians how stupid we are, ok?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

                                                         who is the WHITE ELEPHANT  in the room ?

                                                                why it's "HARD EVIDENCE"...

 

 

i hope someone can see it. 

it's a photoshop job of an animated GIF "elephant" jumping on a trampoline

http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/154040/elephant-trampolinegif.html

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 19, 2011

NEWS FLASH - Nobody cares what you think about Christians and what they should believe.

Go straighten out your own country first and then come back and tell us Christians how stupid we are, ok?

From this point on, I'm done communicating with a moron like you. I will only be asking Vision the very first question.

So don't waste your precious last years on earth arguing with me. Save your energy, you'll need it.

BYE ROBOT !!!!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

                                                         who is the WHITE ELEPHANT  in the room ?

                                                                why it's "HARD EVIDENCE"...

 

 

i hope someone can see it. 

it's a photoshop job of an animated GIF "elephant" jumping on a trampoline

http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/154040/elephant-trampolinegif.html

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

From this point on, I'm done communicating with a moron like you. I will only be asking Vision the very first question.

So don't waste your precious last years on earth arguing with me. Save your energy, you'll need it.

BYE ROBOT !!!!

I don't blame you for pussing out cuz that's what you are - a puss.

You can't cut it.

I had you pegged from day one - gutless coward.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

"Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me..."

 

Joker, you're a little cab driver with megalomania and a Napoleon complex.

Believe me, nobody would want to be in your presence.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

Can't answer for whatever reason? Simply Don't know? Which one is it?

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies out there billions of light years away?

would you like to lie for the 3rd time in this thread alone,  and tell people you and i haven't already covered this?

you are one out in left field dude.

you will never be in a position where you can ever blame me for the man you keep telling people you are.

throughout the years,  and the many wrassling matches you and i have been involved in,  you still haven't a clue,  and you still stick your ego out for more.

one common thing i always accomplish with you by the time a thread fades,  as demonstrating you can't back up squat.

whenever it finally comes to that juncture where you are finally in a corner,  in comparison to the things you start and say,  you still are unable to cross the finish line.

once again,  it's the same ol karaoke tune playing behind the faded curtain,  this time the tune was remixed,  and today the tune is....

...."HARD EVIDENCE"

unfortunately, it's in some twisted heavy metal / non decipherable screamo genre that no one could swear what the artist is singing,  so there is no "hard evidence" the song is even about    ......"hard evidence"

the only word i could decipher was "BOAT ANCHOR" (as in you tied it yourself around your own dang ankle)

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

would you like to lie for the 3rd time in this thread alone,  and tell people you and i haven't already covered this?

you are one out in left field dude.

you will never be in a position where you can ever blame me for the man you keep telling people you are.

throughout the years,  and the many wrassling matches you and i have been involved in,  you still haven't a clue,  and you still stick your ego out for more.

one common thing i always accomplish with you by the time a thread fades,  as demonstrating you can't back up squat.

whenever it finally comes to that juncture where you are finally in a corner,  in comparison to the things you start and say,  you still are unable to cross the finish line.

once again,  it's the same ol karaoke tune playing behind the faded curtain,  this time the tune was remixed,  and today the tune is....

...."HARD EVIDENCE"

unfortunately, it's in some twisted heavy metal / non decipherable screamo genre that no one could swear what the artist is singing,  so there is no "hard evidence" the song is even about    ......"hard evidence"

the only word i could decipher was "BOAT ANCHOR" (as in you tied it yourself around your own dang ankle)

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

How many more times do you want him to answer that for you, junior?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 19, 2011

How many more times do you want him to answer that for you, junior?

you know,  the great aspects of winning the lottery is you can now afford to pay for someones rehab..

that's only one side of it though,  cuz no amount of money can pay for someones willful personality disorder.

that,  they have to accomplish completely on their own

by choice

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

From this point on, I'm done communicating with a moron like you. I will only be asking Vision the very first question.

So don't waste your precious last years on earth arguing with me. Save your energy, you'll need it.

BYE ROBOT !!!!

I bet you wouldn't puss out about my Christian beliefs if I was a woman though would you?

You don't like facing off with men.

You just like getting tough and pushing women around cuz it's an old family tradition.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker's a good name for ya.

Cuz you're a joke.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

you know,  the great aspects of winning the lottery is you can now afford to pay for someones rehab..

that's only one side of it though,  cuz no amount of money can pay for someones willful personality disorder.

that,  they have to accomplish completely on their own

by choice

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i just checked,  he passed out last night at 3:44am

his little green light is still on,  so that means his ability to hit the same exact post repeat button is still there.

let's give him till 3:45am to bring forth his "hard evidence" he claims he has stored on his manifesto hardrive

shoot,  i know he has to be teetering,  and since i am a reasonable guy,  he can bring it tomorrow

after he has slept it off

 

don't hold your breath,  joker doesn't have YNA (that's 'any' spelled backwards)

if he did,  he would have  bombed us with it ...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

He could answer that once again but what would the point be, because you'd just lie and say he never did again anyway.

You're really childish for a Christian hater.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Hey joker,

Did a Christian steal your girlfriend or something?

Is that why you hate Christians so much?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

We're just trying to help you joker.

Harboring all that hate is bad for you.

Let it go...

Center yourself...

OK, now together......

OOOOOOOhhhhhhhmmmmmmm........  OOOOOOooooohhhhhhmmmmmm.......

I think you just need to be held, little guy.

I'm worried sick about you.

OOOOOOOooooooohhhhhhmmmmmm..... OOOOOOOooooohhhhhmmmmm......

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

i just checked,  he passed out last night at 3:44am

his little green light is still on,  so that means his ability to hit the same exact post repeat button is still there.

let's give him till 3:45am to bring forth his "hard evidence" he claims he has stored on his manifesto hardrive

shoot,  i know he has to be teetering,  and since i am a reasonable guy,  he can bring it tomorrow

after he has slept it off

 

don't hold your breath,  joker doesn't have YNA (that's 'any' spelled backwards)

if he did,  he would have  bombed us with it ...

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I'm gonna buy you a little bunny rabbit!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

Why do you hate Christians so much?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker, it is Sunday now, our Sabbath Day, so I hope you'll show a little respect and not continue your crusade of hate against us on just this one day of the week.

Thank you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Good night, joker.

Remember, God is love, let go of the hate.

We're all here for you.

Peace... Be still...

Shhhhh....

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This is the link that should be used to post the picture.

http://photoshopcontest.com/images/fullsize/9i0l6qgnug4sg6hoboj0o6eo3rpxm5cu65fb.gif

 

Elephant Trampoline

 

Do you see the difference?  Your link ends in .html - which indicates it is the entire web page.  But what you need is the exact location of the specific image - the link I posted, ends in .gif.  Which is the url for the image file (a .gif file and more specifically an animated gif, in this case).

At most websites you can locate the image url by placing your mouse over the image and right clicking.  Then choose properties.  When the properties come up, you have to manually copy the image location.  Always look for the actual image extension (for example: .gif .jpg .bmp).   Flickr does not let you right click images on their website, so that is one reason I mentioned that were not friendly to the idea of posting those images elsewhere on the net.  There are other websites that won't allow a right click also.  Just depends how each webmaster codes their pages.

Using a link that connects to their website, like the one I posted above is also called "hot linking."  A practice often frowned upon because that image is appearing here at Lottery Post using the bandwidth of the photoshopcontest.com website.  In other words, they are paying for the image to appear here.

Some places will prevent hot linking.  As long as you can save the image to your hard drive (right-click->choose Save Picture As...), you can then upload it to TinyPic and post it using the TinyPic url I explained previously.  TinyPic is in business to make images available while most websites would rather not be paying for their images posted around the net.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 19, 2011

This is the link that should be used to post the picture.

http://photoshopcontest.com/images/fullsize/9i0l6qgnug4sg6hoboj0o6eo3rpxm5cu65fb.gif

 

Elephant Trampoline

 

Do you see the difference?  Your link ends in .html - which indicates it is the entire web page.  But what you need is the exact location of the specific image - the link I posted, ends in .gif.  Which is the url for the image file (a .gif file and more specifically an animated gif, in this case).

At most websites you can locate the image url by placing your mouse over the image and right clicking.  Then choose properties.  When the properties come up, you have to manually copy the image location.  Always look for the actual image extension (for example: .gif .jpg .bmp).   Flickr does not let you right click images on their website, so that is one reason I mentioned that were not friendly to the idea of posting those images elsewhere on the net.  There are other websites that won't allow a right click also.  Just depends how each webmaster codes their pages.

Using a link that connects to their website, like the one I posted above is also called "hot linking."  A practice often frowned upon because that image is appearing here at Lottery Post using the bandwidth of the photoshopcontest.com website.  In other words, they are paying for the image to appear here.

Some places will prevent hot linking.  As long as you can save the image to your hard drive (right-click->choose Save Picture As...), you can then upload it to TinyPic and post it using the TinyPic url I explained previously.  TinyPic is in business to make images available while most websites would rather not be paying for their images posted around the net.

There's the feint.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i looked up the phrase "hard evidence" in the thesaurus book of integrity,  and nope,  joker's pic wasn't there.

i reduced the odds,  and just looked up the term "evidence",  and it said it was defined as "to provide something observable"

nope,  no go.

i had to aim lower,  so i looked up the term "excuse",  and lo and behold it had a stream of jokers pics at each age from each of the years he has been at LP.

for extra curiousity points, i also looked up the term "smokescreen",  and up came the phrase ......

"How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away"?    and right next to it was a reference pic of joker standing next to a purple pumperknickle pageant donkey standing next to the paris city limit sign.

what are the odds of THAT ?

no way he will address that odds anamoly,  nor will he tell the truth to the board him and i have already discussed this topic before.

"hard evidence"?    i think i would be happy if the guy would just stop lying.   even THAT is an accomplishment

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I always knew he was squirrelly but thought he meant well.

But lately you can see that he's come unhinged.

Little green men?

Please.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 19, 2011

I always knew he was squirrelly but thought he meant well.

But lately you can see that he's come unhinged.

Little green men?

Please.

shoot, we all are a little bit squirrelly at times,  but ever since joker has been in here, he has had a tude about Christians / Christianity in particular,  and that "tude" transcends his "meant well" intent possibility.

that is why i contend with him to the level i do,  because he doesn't "mean well".

he comes here to intentionally start garbage with his showcased lack of self control,  despite repeated warnings.

he may "behave" for abbrevihated  periods of time,  but his true motivations will eventually bare their teeth.

i could care less if he insists little green man have all the "answers",  that's his right.

what is snot his right is him taking free swings,  and thinking he isn't going to stand in the box and take a brush back pitch of his own.

give it,  but be a man,  and not only take what you have started,  but man up and back up what you say.

that's why i tied the boat anchor of "hard evidence" to his leg.

he knew he was full of it,  and didn't have squat to back it up.

since when does joker have "nothing to say"?

exactly  <----------

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

one of these days i will be in florida hailing a cab,  and God being God,  the irony of all ironies ......it will be joker driving.

that will be fine,  i don't mind.   i love what other people write off as "just a coincidence"

you know how i will know it's him?   

no,  not from the upside down cross hanging from his rear view mirror,  or the jesus figure with pins stuck into it on his dash......but that "angst" inspired smirk.

kinda like the joker in batman,  that "look",  with an obvious angst bent to it.

 

never met the guy. 

  just observed his consistment demeanor enough over the years that it would make him instantly recognizable.

i will ask for directions in french,  and then i will really freak him out by yelling as i get out the cab .....

.....   "hard evidence"...

  but,  half wit that i am,  i will wait till i am out of the cab.....because i don't want to go on THAT kinda ride Green laugh

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

i looked up the phrase "hard evidence" in the thesaurus book of integrity,  and nope,  joker's pic wasn't there.

i reduced the odds,  and just looked up the term "evidence",  and it said it was defined as "to provide something observable"

nope,  no go.

i had to aim lower,  so i looked up the term "excuse",  and lo and behold it had a stream of jokers pics at each age from each of the years he has been at LP.

for extra curiousity points, i also looked up the term "smokescreen",  and up came the phrase ......

"How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away"?    and right next to it was a reference pic of joker standing next to a purple pumperknickle pageant donkey standing next to the paris city limit sign.

what are the odds of THAT ?

no way he will address that odds anamoly,  nor will he tell the truth to the board him and i have already discussed this topic before.

"hard evidence"?    i think i would be happy if the guy would just stop lying.   even THAT is an accomplishment

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

joker, i just went back thru the thread and counted how many times you copied and pasted the above post from the original.

and including the original,  that makes 5 times you lied to the board we haven't already discussed this.

you really do have no conscience.

would you like to clear this up,  and tell the board (lie again) you and i haven't already discussed this matter?

you know what kind of level you are now operating on,  your not even man enough to address that, you will just lie again with a copy and paste post.

 that either we have / haven't discussed that particular "question" before

 

go ahead and dig yourself a hole you can't crawl out of.

remember,  all these posts are time and date stamped,  so everyone knows your the one that made the statement of "hard evidence" first,  and your the one that backed out the door after you did.

all you can do now is lie 5 times in a row,  instead of handling something you stated first.

wanna try for lie #6 without addressing the fact that we already have? 

i am really good at predicting,  and i bet you have your finger already pulsating waiting to post #6

be my guest,  it's your life you are allowing people to see as a pathetic mess

the only observable "hard evidence" = 5 and counting ...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 20, 2011

joker, i just went back thru the thread and counted how many times you copied and pasted the above post from the original.

and including the original,  that makes 5 times you lied to the board we haven't already discussed this.

you really do have no conscience.

would you like to clear this up,  and tell the board (lie again) you and i haven't already discussed this matter?

you know what kind of level you are now operating on,  your not even man enough to address that, you will just lie again with a copy and paste post.

 that either we have / haven't discussed that particular "question" before

 

go ahead and dig yourself a hole you can't crawl out of.

remember,  all these posts are time and date stamped,  so everyone knows your the one that made the statement of "hard evidence" first,  and your the one that backed out the door after you did.

all you can do now is lie 5 times in a row,  instead of handling something you stated first.

wanna try for lie #6 without addressing the fact that we already have? 

i am really good at predicting,  and i bet you have your finger already pulsating waiting to post #6

be my guest,  it's your life you are allowing people to see as a pathetic mess

the only observable "hard evidence" = 5 and counting ...

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

No Problems, Only Solutions....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 20, 2011

joker, i just went back thru the thread and counted how many times you copied and pasted the above post from the original.

and including the original,  that makes 5 times you lied to the board we haven't already discussed this.

you really do have no conscience.

would you like to clear this up,  and tell the board (lie again) you and i haven't already discussed this matter?

you know what kind of level you are now operating on,  your not even man enough to address that, you will just lie again with a copy and paste post.

 that either we have / haven't discussed that particular "question" before

 

go ahead and dig yourself a hole you can't crawl out of.

remember,  all these posts are time and date stamped,  so everyone knows your the one that made the statement of "hard evidence" first,  and your the one that backed out the door after you did.

all you can do now is lie 5 times in a row,  instead of handling something you stated first.

wanna try for lie #6 without addressing the fact that we already have? 

i am really good at predicting,  and i bet you have your finger already pulsating waiting to post #6

be my guest,  it's your life you are allowing people to see as a pathetic mess

the only observable "hard evidence" = 5 and counting ...

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

whoops,  i win another thread.

looks like joker either passed out early tonight, 

or he left the building,  slithering out the back exit when i noted that it was a 5 time lie that we "haven't" already covered this before (and because he is not man enough to handle his own business he starts first),  he throws up some desperate smokescreen in an attempt to sell all of LP ..."he is the man"...

your all wrapper, and no candy joker

bye bye  Party

you are not allowed to park in the handicapped parking space any longer

some people are a trite bit embarrased after being busted lying 5 times in a row

if it takes you 5 times before you even start to grow a conscience,  there is some real psychosis brewing within

but,  for joker, 5 times seems the magic number  (or at least it is until he returns from the refrigerator).

not to worry,  i have a "lie calculator" ready,  and a special treat for him if he is deluded enough to go to #6.

and he will

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

GEEZE, at least wait until i get done orchaestrating my post,  joker.....before you spit out #6

look at the time stamp.   i won't even finish this post,  and #7 will be in the books

ok,  for my "special treat".

here we go again.     another example of the difference between how a man of his word operates,  and a man who is weak and desperate.

i made the claim that joker and i have already discussed this before,  and this is only jokers weak attempt at skating from personal responsibility because he is nothing but a trolling trouble maker.

you don't play in the big leagues joker unless you have big league game.

my HARD EVIDENCE PROOF against joker,  against the fact that i told the truth that we have already went over this is found on page 70 of the "statistically speaking QP's and PP's" thread.

he asked that same question......AND I ANSWERED IT

sorry joker, your trolling just for trouble days are numbered. 

now everyone knows you lie, and just spray the board for sport

 

wanna see how real men handle thier business with ACTUAL HARD PROOF EVIDENCE?

fine,  here it is ----->  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

i told you not to try and play a guy like me. 

i did an exhaustive search tonight for that thread / post.

know why?   because i do what i say,  and you never do

while i was looking for that particular exchange,  i scored a little two-fer deal  Hyper

on that same page (70) is where DD made his pervert comment about young girls

he lied to that he never said that.

God always eventually vindicates those that belong to Him (that would be me).

you guys just don't get it.   there will never come a time where you can "one up" a person who knows God.

your welcome to try though,  because then i get to "teach"

"OUI"?

see,  that's how  "HARD EVIDENCE"  works......by actually providing what you say you have.

you?   you ain't got SQUAT

you never have / your just a blowhard backed by an occasional binge of little green bottles

your own "hard evidence" struck yourself out like a candle in the wind

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i am long winded,  so just to make sure the case against joker doesn't get lost...

here it is ------>  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

"statistically speaking QP's and PP's"

            page 70

Stack47

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 20, 2011

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

Christians were thrown to the lions.

But we won't be thrown to the cab drivers, LOL.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 20, 2011

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

Well, high 5 for at least honestly replicating history, 
but still cracks me up that people like you throw veiled posts of displeasure......while still reading every bit of it

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

while being neck deep in quandry sludge,  i am now dead straight curious as to joker's next move.

he swore he would bomb the thread with his "blah blah blah" post until i answered it (again),  or until the thread dies,  or todd locks it.

so now does joker not keep his word, now that he just got busted for his screendoor in a submarine "defense" of spraying the board because he refuses to handle his own assertions?

does he feign "disinterest",  "i am far too busy", or blantantly hide back under the faux constructed rock out of emabarrassment?

does he man up and handle his own "hard evidence" finally?

me,  i am placing my bet on win, place AND show..... which in code means this leopard won't change his spots,  despite exposing his motives

he will lick his woundage,  regroup,  then come back in another thread of like substance the same guy.

well,   with mybe even more angst.

uncontrolled angst doesn't ever gather moss

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 20, 2011

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

hey stack,  since you are a car carrying member of the thread police,  you ought to know when this thread went "off topic".

would you like to give us your professional opinion as to when it did,  and especially who took it there?

i like this kind of stuff. 

i like highlighting peoples motives,  to give others a fair glimpse into "why" people say things.

the board awaits your "expertise"...

jimmy4164

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 20, 2011

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

Somebody who calls himself "mccainisthrough" did the video so I'm sure it's not the least bit biased.

Libs are such an annoyance.

No offense Nancy, but effeminate men creep me out.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Still no appearance from stack to address his "concerns".

But that's ok,  because that's fully inline with the way stack hides behind a tree, then only pokes his head out long enough to throw a stone at something He doesn't like, then its back behind the tree.

Evidenced by the fact he won't say nothin to jimmy, because afterall THAT post favors stack's position.

Motives.  I am pretty dern good at highlighting peoples motives...

joker17

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

NO ANSWER?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 20, 2011

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

Don't waste your time. Remember who you're writing to.

On one hand, you have this troubled individual Visine, who really believes he has insider information on God. And then you have a redneck, backward Hillbilly who can't even watch videos, and who drinks like a fish,  proporting to have a clue about reality, much less cognitive problem solving abilities. 

It's a futile attempt. 

joker17

All I hear is crickets....CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP....

Can't answer a simple freaking question.....

 

crickets

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Don't waste your time. Remember who you're writing to.

On one hand, you have this troubled individual Visine, who really believes he has insider information on God. And then you have a redneck, backward Hillbilly who can't even watch videos, and who drinks like a fish,  proporting to have a clue about reality, much less cognitive problem solving abilities. 

It's a futile attempt. 

"who drinks like a fish"...

give us a break........ your drunken posts are legendary in here. 

got you fully booted to the curb once before under a diffferent screename,  not to mention your being sent on temporary time out a couple of different times,  and you are calling ridge out?

this might be your *best* indicator post yet

 

i lost track now,  and don't care to go back thru the thread to count how many times you had no game by reposting your lame induced latest excuse.

good thing with my see it all the way to the finish line sticktuitiveness,   everyone else knows it too now.

anyone that screams across the board they have something (like you),  then refuses to bring it forth (like you),  is nothing but a pinnochio among real men

repost your refusal post 1,040 times in a row (about equal to how many days in a row france has made an appearance),  but still no one cares

 

 i asked you FIRST  about what you meant by "hard evidence",  and you REFUSED to answer it,  chickened straight away OUT OF IT, and then descended into wuss 101 by 'demanding' i answer you .  Green laugh

 

                                   

                                             we all know now exactly what you dont have

                                   every "repost" you post just solidifies your schicken status

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

All I hear is crickets....CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP....

Can't answer a simple freaking question.....

 

crickets

you mean about "hard evidence"?                      i know,  you fully wussed on that.

not your first wuss-a-thon.

 

i hope you didn't just lie to the board again for the umpteenth time in one thread,  because i already have

in case you wanna lie to the board again,  and tell them you "missed it",  here it is.....again

                                          https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

                                             "statistically speaking; QP's and PP's" thread

                                                                    page 70

 

                                       see why i  LOVE  and adore prerecorded history?

    because archived / prerecorded data cannot be defended against,  once a person is caught red handed  lying about it

you know joker,  like you were caught red handed lying about "never" calling perfectiming that nasty go to for you

lying has now become a regular intersection for you.

congradulations.   

 you are so close to finding the truths of life that way

 

prerecorded history IS "hard evidence"   (1st visiondude 3:3 1/2)

joker17

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

NO ANSWER?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

joker17

SIMPLE FREAKIN QUESTION....

DUH....HELLO!!!!!!!!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

let's do this another way,   so we can get straight to it.

did i already answer this particular question before.

yes or no ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

let's do this another way,   so we can get straight to it.

did i already answer this particular question before.

yes or no ?

NO !

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

go ahead,  yes or no questions are easy,  and take no time to answer

besides,  your little green "online' light is on.

so ???

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

go ahead,  yes or no questions are easy,  and take no time to answer

besides,  your little green "online' light is on.

so ???

I answered your question.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

NO !

good.

now that we can see your a just a tad on the slow side in the "what's really true" addition game of life,  now that you answered "no",     ......my job of demonstrating who you really aren't   is complete.

based on page 70 of the other thread,  anyone that reads page 70 knows you are now nothing but a liar.

 

DD made child molestation on LP seem "natural" in his self admisssion post,  so he gets the worst poster on LP award.

tonight,  you just nailed down 2nd place.

heinous beats out bizzare everytime,  so lucky for you,  the #1 spot is occupied by someone else

trouble is,  in your twisted world,  you will add that up as some sort of an accomplishment, being "#2" and all

 

you are one out there dude,  but i know the "drinking part" has nothing to do with it

unchecked angst has the capacity to drive a human being literally insane

just ask dr phil

on second thought,  ask God.   He created dr phil

joker17

Why don't you remind me of what your answer was to the question I posed so I can laugh even harder this time.

Either answer the question or get help Visine.

Self delusion can be detrimental to your overall well being Visine. Maybe Thor can help.

joker17

Can't repeat his "So Called" "original answer" to the question.

Unhappy

joker17

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Why don't you remind me of what your answer was to the question I posed so I can laugh even harder this time.

Either answer the question or get help Visine.

Self delusion can be detrimental to your overall well being Visine. Maybe Thor can help.

you just lied in your previous post that i "never answered it" ever ...........when you replied "no"

and now you will "laugh harder this time"?  <----------(fully indicating i have before)   .....

how is that possible when i never answered it in the first place?

 

 

you already read it on page 70 of that link to that threads conversation, and you want me to "remind you"?

would you like to lie to the board you haven't read those posts on that page 70 thread? 

everyone here knows you would have.

 

your stall tactics and carnival antics undermine what you attempt to sell yourself in here. 

 it's a pathetic joke

 

dizzying smokescreens because your not man enough.   big whoop.

and you probably tell yourself you are at the top of the heap when it comes to these arena's of life

it's embarrassing that i have to play a part in your own personal self implosion

but,  occasionally,  it's my protect the territory job description

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 20, 2011

i am long winded,  so just to make sure the case against joker doesn't get lost...

here it is ------>  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

"statistically speaking QP's and PP's"

            page 70

Had you answered my questions satisfactorily, we would'nt be having these one way futile debates.

Give it up.

Either answer my question, or I'll be forced to keep reposting the question over and over.

I'll give you a hint.......(You can't answer it).....

joker17

Hey Vision, get help dude. Seriously....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Can't repeat his "So Called" "original answer" to the question.

Unhappy

why would i ?

since i already answered it,  it's just your wuss tactics to keep from handling your personal responsibility,  and that's the only reason you asked it again.

smokescreen it so you think don't have to

compared to how much trash you talk in here,  you got nothin to back it up when it gets right to it

 

not to worry.   your not the originator of the wuss cut and run when someone like me has enough skill to paint you into a corner on what you "claim" is true.

your just another in a long list of come hithers that think they can,  and when they can't, they manufacture some smokescreen tactic "why" they can't,  and head for the exit

your not even an original when it comes to this.

that HAS to be bad news,  given your level of wishful thinking "you could"

just in this thread alone you lied your way clear now of credibility

any "delusion" you desire to add above that fact i guess is the bonus plan against you

"hard evidence" huh?  Green laugh

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

ANSWER IT !

joker17

Can't answer it huh?

 

You're a tool of the collective brainwashed puppets. A TOOL !

Can't answer a simple question.....

PATHETIC !

I had enough of this Romper Room Bull Schmidt....

Good Night !

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Had you answered my questions satisfactorily, we would'nt be having these one way futile debates.

Give it up.

Either answer my question, or I'll be forced to keep reposting the question over and over.

I'll give you a hint.......(You can't answer it).....

go ahead.

repost it 1,040 times in a row,  it will still be a lie

 

shoot,  the way you willfully lie about the true replication of historical events ,  "satisfactorily" is a code word for you that actually means "i wussed out,  so i will have him do it again,  so i don't have to".

"and i will keep doing it.....so i won't have to"

you just keep throwing garbage against a wall,  hoping it sticks.

that's a crock excuse, 'satisfactorily'.

that's a lying cop out

it's nothing but a lie,  because even if i had answered it 10 other times in the past,  you would still pull this garbage

you complain about being an angry dude,  and yet you do stupid stuff like this that compounds your anger

how in the heck do you pretend to think you will ever bail yourself out of this hole while acting like this?

purposefully lying doesn't affect me whatsoever.   in fact,  it makes my position SOLID.

but you, your in self destruct mode if you think lying and blaming me is your road out of this

and,  your acting like you and i are the only ones that read this stuff.

hundreds,  maybe thousands of people possibly are witness to your descent,  is that your wish,  a "televised" witness of your personal self destruction?

look,  there will never come that time where you are going to "successfully" blame me for willful stupid stuff you do.

posting and reposting your willful lies only vindicates me,  and since i am mr longevity,  go for it,  it will only end badly for you

me.  i am free AND clear

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

sweet,  "hard evidence" has stage fright again tonight.

wanna bet that "hard evidence" won't make an appearance tomorrow night?

or the next night?

or consecutive "next night's" for 1,037 days in a row?

 

seems to me if there was "hard evidence",  it certainly wouldn't be afraid

"hard evidence" is ALWAYS the boldest guy in the room,  because he is the only guy in the room that can afford to be.

no glass chin on that "hard evidence" guy

'hard evidence' isn't afraid of anybody,  or any spotlight

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

sweet,  "hard evidence" has stage fright again tonight.

wanna bet that "hard evidence" won't make an appearance tomorrow night?

or the next night?

or consecutive "next night's" for 1,037 days in a row?

 

seems to me if there was "hard evidence",  it certainly wouldn't be afraid

"hard evidence" is ALWAYS the boldest guy in the room,  because he is the only guy in the room that can afford to be.

no glass chin on that "hard evidence" guy

'hard evidence' isn't afraid of anybody,  or any spotlight

hey 1037 thats one of the numbers i play Cool

Feadogger

Edited because I forgot to quote that I was replying to joker17s question:

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

ANSWER IT !

 

 

Because she has an excellent aestheticician and uses a great night cream under the eyes.  Doesn't look a day over 3030 if you ask me.  But a real gentleman never discusses a lady's true age.Banana

 

Ba dum bum.

I like the fact that even though you have seriously differing opinions, you aren't afraid to discuss them openly, and THINK.  Geez, if you knew how many people are walking around in a brainwashed FOG, you would be impressed.  And I don't just mean brainwashed by religious indoctrination.  Brainwashing by half witted parents is one major factor but I also mean brainwashed by increasingly inane TV and movie plotlines, the collective IQ of our society seeming to drop (every time someone gains a follower on Twitter, at least one other person loses 2 IQ points, kinda like It's a Wonderful Life) and the very existence of certain reality TV shows that I won't specify in case someone is a fan.  Let them have their love of stupid.

It is just me, or I am developing a strange respect and affection for Ridge?  I don't even know him, but his bitingly humorous and no-filter straight to the point posts have started to grow on me.  Or maybe it's moss, I should probably move around more often.

Either way, I hope eventually you all chillax about this to some degree.  Healthy debate is what keeps the intellectual capacity of a society from stagnating.  And I get the feeling that people don't like getting pwned by Ridge, since he doesn't really use gentleness and kid gloves about it and loads it with "his" flavor of humor.  But perhaps that's his way of making you think and challenging your belief structure.  That's what I keep telling myself when I sound like him in real life and it ticks people off.  My best friend describes dealing with me kinda that same way, so I'll put an Appalachian spin on it.  "If you're scared of the Runner, stay away from the Ridge."  One can always choose not to engage.  I don't like getting into (snip)ping contests.  I have a small bladder and everyone always ends up smelling bad after its done.

Just for the record, I'm not an uneducated bumpkin (2 separate bachelors, one in psychology, and a medical doctorate) but I'm also a staunch Christian.  I guess I could be described as Catholic fusion.  1/3 less guilt plus the secret ingredient of being a scientist without it conflicting with my beliefs.  This is not the "I love Rdgnr and he is always right" fan club.  I'm not a coat-tail rider or groupie.  I have a lot of respect for what MANY people have said on this forum.  I don't always agree, and I think some of them are downright limited, but at least you're putting it out there.

Go Team LP . . . I think . . .

Feadogger

See I don't even read here enough to get his name straight, but you know what I mean about Appalachian man.

He's the dude with the crazy avatar that reminds me of my uncle Jimmy.  Uncle Jimmy would call me "Sam" even though my name was Megan, and carried a bell jar of his own moonshine in the back pocket.  I tasted it ONE time, swallowed a leaf and lost half my vocal range.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker is like a boxer who's suffered a knockout punch and is trying to stay up on his wobbly legs while flailing wildly at anything that appears in his double-visioned purview.

There's just no way he can recover from the total loss of credibility he suffered when he said he never called Perfecttiming a dumbass and then lied about it when shown evidence (Coverups always seem to eclipse the actual infraction). Especially when it's all right there for everybody to see. He clearly called her a dumbass and he knows it but thinks some are stupid enough to believe he was talking about somebody else when he was clearly responding directly to her post and her.

Add to that how adamant he is in defending his lies as truth and you see how futile the conduction of debate becomes.

Now the task for him becomes obfuscation, changing the subject and repetition of the same previously answered question while he tries to regroup and hopefully come out of this with some semblance of his dignity intact.

Somebody stick a fork in him.

He's done.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

See I don't even read here enough to get his name straight, but you know what I mean about Appalachian man.

He's the dude with the crazy avatar that reminds me of my uncle Jimmy.  Uncle Jimmy would call me "Sam" even though my name was Megan, and carried a bell jar of his own moonshine in the back pocket.  I tasted it ONE time, swallowed a leaf and lost half my vocal range.

LOL

I like you, Megan.

I like people who talk straight and make sense while being friendly and possess a good sense of humor and wit.

Yer purty clever too!

What in tarnation does Feadogger mean though?

Feadogger

Thanks homie!  I value that coming from you.  A "feadog" is one name for the Irish tin whistle.  My husband and I are amateur players, and I was looking for a totally unique internet name, so I took the Irish name of the flute, and added -ger to it to signify that I play it.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Thanks homie!  I value that coming from you.  A "feadog" is one name for the Irish tin whistle.  My husband and I are amateur players, and I was looking for a totally unique internet name, so I took the Irish name of the flute, and added -ger to it to signify that I play it.

Cool!

Thanks, yer one of the few people in history that've told me something I didn't know already (ask my wife). But I am an Oracle, afterall.

Homie?

You hillfolk?

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 20, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

What?Joker17, I have a question for you.  Don't go to a dictionary, the internet to get a definition.  I want you to answer this question in your own words and what you think the answer is.  What is a fact? This is not a trick question. 

What we believe, who we are, how we put together things in our mind, etc. our "always, always being" has a lot to do with our definition of a fact.

Just curious of how you define what a fact is. 

Feadogger

Err . . . I kinda don't make sense in the slang I use.  I was raised by a bunch of Old Southern Women, so I can dodge thorns and June Bugs to gather berries and cook homemade cobbler, while talking trash about people and following it with "Bless Her Heart" - that makes the insults not count, of course.Evil Looking

I was a hippie flower child in college, so everything is GROOOOOVY.  But I graduated as the only white female in a minority high school, so I use a lot of pseudo-ebonics terms and shake my head, hips and throw up the hand when I get mad.  I just pick up the lingo wherever I have been in my life.  I was insufferable after coming home one summer from vacation.  It took me 2 months to shed the Jersey accent.

But I called you homie not for geographic reasons but because I feel I find a kindred soul in your intellect and views on many things.  My friends call me Megipedia because there isn't something you talk about that I don't already know and refer to me as "creepy girl with ESP" since I tend to predict people's behaviors before they occur. 

I think we are shaking the foundation of reality here, Ridge.  Can two people who are convinced they know most everything be friends?  Or will we destroy reality from the friction of an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object?  Only time will tell . . .

I seriously like your style.

Feadogger

Very cool Tenaj.  My psych mentor would be proud.  You are making him functionally define "fact" - that what he is asking for, as well as recognizing the role of reality as we see it.  I love sitting at my kitchen table with lemon drop martinis and discussing what is truth, what is fact, etc.

Ask someone sometime what is a chair.  They will usually describe the form, the appearance, etc.  But everyone leaves out the functional definition of what a chair really is.  Does it have to have four legs?  Does it change to a stool if you break the back off it?  Does it lose its form of being a chair if a leg is broken off or if you cease to use it?

Just being weird, sorry.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Err . . . I kinda don't make sense in the slang I use.  I was raised by a bunch of Old Southern Women, so I can dodge thorns and June Bugs to gather berries and cook homemade cobbler, while talking trash about people and following it with "Bless Her Heart" - that makes the insults not count, of course.Evil Looking

I was a hippie flower child in college, so everything is GROOOOOVY.  But I graduated as the only white female in a minority high school, so I use a lot of pseudo-ebonics terms and shake my head, hips and throw up the hand when I get mad.  I just pick up the lingo wherever I have been in my life.  I was insufferable after coming home one summer from vacation.  It took me 2 months to shed the Jersey accent.

But I called you homie not for geographic reasons but because I feel I find a kindred soul in your intellect and views on many things.  My friends call me Megipedia because there isn't something you talk about that I don't already know and refer to me as "creepy girl with ESP" since I tend to predict people's behaviors before they occur. 

I think we are shaking the foundation of reality here, Ridge.  Can two people who are convinced they know most everything be friends?  Or will we destroy reality from the friction of an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object?  Only time will tell . . .

I seriously like your style.

Yeah, watch out for them blackberry thorns now. June Bugs I've had filtered through my teeth on the motorcycle. They're full of yeller pus or custard or something like that but they don't taste very good at all.

Now I don't think both of us knowin everything would commence us to fussin but that hippie dippie flower child stuff... well... let's talk about somethin else.

Now maybe when y'all get good on them feadogs you can play at the Carter Family Fold sometime and we'll come see ya. Hope ya can clog to that or them hillbillies'll git vahlint.

Nice meetin ya Megan, hope to hear more from ya in the forums and best of luck to ya! LepYes NodThumbs Up

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Very cool Tenaj.  My psych mentor would be proud.  You are making him functionally define "fact" - that what he is asking for, as well as recognizing the role of reality as we see it.  I love sitting at my kitchen table with lemon drop martinis and discussing what is truth, what is fact, etc.

Ask someone sometime what is a chair.  They will usually describe the form, the appearance, etc.  But everyone leaves out the functional definition of what a chair really is.  Does it have to have four legs?  Does it change to a stool if you break the back off it?  Does it lose its form of being a chair if a leg is broken off or if you cease to use it?

Just being weird, sorry.

OK, I'm busted.  But how we view and define a fact is our reality.  And we all have our own reality going on.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Edited because I forgot to quote that I was replying to joker17s question:

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

ANSWER IT !

 

 

Because she has an excellent aestheticician and uses a great night cream under the eyes.  Doesn't look a day over 3030 if you ask me.  But a real gentleman never discusses a lady's true age.Banana

 

Ba dum bum.

I like the fact that even though you have seriously differing opinions, you aren't afraid to discuss them openly, and THINK.  Geez, if you knew how many people are walking around in a brainwashed FOG, you would be impressed.  And I don't just mean brainwashed by religious indoctrination.  Brainwashing by half witted parents is one major factor but I also mean brainwashed by increasingly inane TV and movie plotlines, the collective IQ of our society seeming to drop (every time someone gains a follower on Twitter, at least one other person loses 2 IQ points, kinda like It's a Wonderful Life) and the very existence of certain reality TV shows that I won't specify in case someone is a fan.  Let them have their love of stupid.

It is just me, or I am developing a strange respect and affection for Ridge?  I don't even know him, but his bitingly humorous and no-filter straight to the point posts have started to grow on me.  Or maybe it's moss, I should probably move around more often.

Either way, I hope eventually you all chillax about this to some degree.  Healthy debate is what keeps the intellectual capacity of a society from stagnating.  And I get the feeling that people don't like getting pwned by Ridge, since he doesn't really use gentleness and kid gloves about it and loads it with "his" flavor of humor.  But perhaps that's his way of making you think and challenging your belief structure.  That's what I keep telling myself when I sound like him in real life and it ticks people off.  My best friend describes dealing with me kinda that same way, so I'll put an Appalachian spin on it.  "If you're scared of the Runner, stay away from the Ridge."  One can always choose not to engage.  I don't like getting into (snip)ping contests.  I have a small bladder and everyone always ends up smelling bad after its done.

Just for the record, I'm not an uneducated bumpkin (2 separate bachelors, one in psychology, and a medical doctorate) but I'm also a staunch Christian.  I guess I could be described as Catholic fusion.  1/3 less guilt plus the secret ingredient of being a scientist without it conflicting with my beliefs.  This is not the "I love Rdgnr and he is always right" fan club.  I'm not a coat-tail rider or groupie.  I have a lot of respect for what MANY people have said on this forum.  I don't always agree, and I think some of them are downright limited, but at least you're putting it out there.

Go Team LP . . . I think . . .

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

Maybe you should consult your little green men then.

That's rational.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 21, 2011

What?Joker17, I have a question for you.  Don't go to a dictionary, the internet to get a definition.  I want you to answer this question in your own words and what you think the answer is.  What is a fact? This is not a trick question. 

What we believe, who we are, how we put together things in our mind, etc. our "always, always being" has a lot to do with our definition of a fact.

Just curious of how you define what a fact is. 

xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial eveidence. Not all things can fit so neatly into this because even scientific tests have flaws. But most importantly, I find that a mixture of common sense and factual evidence makes the best tool for reaching a decision, but that's just my opinion.

It's a FACT, that light travels 186,000 per second, and it's IMPOSSIBLE based on that FACT, that the universe can only be a few thousand years old. The reason folks don't want to tackle this is because they have NO answer. Jarasan attempted a while back by mentioning Tachyons that are claimed to travel faster than the speed of light, but unfortunately he didn't do is homework because Tachyons are nothing but hypothetical. Even if they were real, they would present a whole host of other contradictions.

That is why I'm an Agnostic. I don't know for sure whether there is a God or not, and I don't claim I have insider serects to this, no one does, If they do, then they are delusional. So since there is no clear evidence of whether he exists, and even If he did, which of the THOUSANDS of Gods would you choose, so I choose to be spiritual.

But here's what I was talking about earlier when I said fact and common sense play a vital role. Over the years I came to the conclusion that since we are made of energy, and and enery cannot be destroyed, only changes, that there may POSSIBLY be a way for some form of ourselves to continue after this life has ended. And that's where my spirituality comes in. I'm open to the possibilities out there, but I will NEVER EVER subscribe to organized religion. There are literally WAY TOO many variables in life for one religion to be correct and all the other thousands to be wrong, unless that one religion can PROVE to be the right one. Til this day, none of them can prove anything except quotes fom their own texts.

If there is a God out there, and he's a loving God who knows more than we will ever be able to imagine, I'm willing to bet my soul that he has a much better approach with dealing with humans who actually take the time to search for truth, and not blindly accept the most convenient path and pick one of the top five popular religions, claiming they are right and everyone else is wrong.

There's a word for that kind of behavior. It's called DELUSIONAL.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

"...he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense."

 

What on Earth do you want me to call them if calling them your "little green men" is "racist"?

You're getting so protective of them I think you're starting to enjoy the "probing".

That's not healthy!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

"visine"  .....i missed this earlier,  but yes,  i do have clear "vision",  i do work hard at making sure i give the best opportunity for others to have "clear vision",  and occasionally just like the directions state on the front of the bottle "it get's the red out",  we all know that's true as well,  when i have to,  when guys like you come across my radar.

"And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God"

 not a "phone line" because that's old school.   i have the latest technology (4gs),  and no,  i am not the only one.

there are millions of "us" that do.

you sell the notion that no one can,  and we all know even with an ambivilent attitude about it is if there is a God,  alot of people would.

you have this deep seeded hatred for God,  and your first move always demonstrates that,  so why on earth would you think otherwise,  that nobody "should"?

 

anyway,  we all have our quirks, and in the heat of it all we do and say stupid things.

all of us

angst driven stupidity is one thing,  but willful no conscience lying.....that's a deal breaker in the ethics whose who game of life.

ridge spoke the truth.  when you consistently lie and several subject matters,  your deal is over as far as being a 'trustable" huamn being in the ethics game of life.

defending different opinions is one thing,  willfull lying means your done

maybe you can save face and explain to the board how you can "demand" i answer one question (when i already have),  but yet you lied about sending that email,  no "photo" of that $1000 check,  refused to confirm my story with todd,  refused to set up arrangements to view my journal, lied about perfectiming and lied incessantly  about answering your question?

this is why i so ardously defend against you,  to prove all you want to do is "wrassle".

your not here to "debate".   

you never have been here for that since 2005,  since your other "screename" where you got booted to the curb

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

"visine"  .....i missed this earlier,  but yes,  i do have clear "vision",  i do work hard at making sure i give the best opportunity for others to have "clear vision",  and occasionally just like the directions state on the front of the bottle "it get's the red out",  we all know that's true as well,  when i have to,  when guys like you come across my radar.

"And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God"

 not a "phone line" because that's old school.   i have the latest technology (4gs),  and no,  i am not the only one.

there are millions of "us" that do.

you sell the notion that no one can,  and we all know even with an ambivilent attitude about it is if there is a God,  alot of people would.

you have this deep seeded hatred for God,  and your first move always demonstrates that,  so why on earth would you think otherwise,  that nobody "should"?

 

anyway,  we all have our quirks, and in the heat of it all we do and say stupid things.

all of us

angst driven stupidity is one thing,  but willful no conscience lying.....that's a deal breaker in the ethics whose who game of life.

ridge spoke the truth.  when you consistently lie and several subject matters,  your deal is over as far as being a 'trustable" huamn being in the ethics game of life.

defending different opinions is one thing,  willfull lying means your done

maybe you can save face and explain to the board how you can "demand" i answer one question (when i already have),  but yet you lied about sending that email,  no "photo" of that $1000 check,  refused to confirm my story with todd,  refused to set up arrangements to view my journal, lied about perfectiming and lied incessantly  about answering your question?

this is why i so ardously defend against you,  to prove all you want to do is "wrassle".

your not here to "debate".   

you never have been here for that since 2005,  since your other "screename" where you got booted to the curb

You can't answer a simple question without writing the same old blah blah blah over and over again.

I think my mission in this thread is done. Everyone who's read this can easily see that both you and Ridge can't answer a simple question, musch less a hundred other contradictions I could easily post.

Both of you wouldn't last 3 seconds in a debate forum concerning all of this. I've been to a few forums on the net. Forget about me, they'd eat you guys for lunch.

Like i said, it's a waste of time talking to a couple simpletons.

I think I'll head over to some of those forums where there are intelligent debates going on.

This debate here isn't even a debate, it's a circus with a couple of clowns.

You guys are no brainers to me. It's not fun when there's no challenge. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

You can't answer a simple question without writing the same old blah blah blah over and over again.

I think my mission in this thread is done. Everyone who's read this can easily see that both you and Ridge can't answer a simple question, musch less a hundred other contradictions I could easily post.

Both of you wouldn't last 3 seconds in a debate forum concerning all of this. I've been to a few forums on the net. Forget about me, they'd eat you guys for lunch.

Like i said, it's a waste of time talking to a couple simpletons.

I think I'll head over to some of those forums where there are intelligent debates going on.

This debate here isn't even a debate, it's a circus with a couple of clowns.

You guys are no brainers to me. It's not fun when there's no challenge. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Maybe that's where you belong if you want to debate religion.

The rest of us are here to discuss and trade notes and learn about all things lottery.

The debate only started because you hate Christians and refuse to allow them to mention their faith in simple conversation. You take it as a personal affront if a Christian mentions he or she prayed for this or that. Get over yourself, every post that mentions God isn't an attack on you that you have to defend against. They aren't even directed at you but you think they are for some reason. I think it's called paranoia.

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians. Well guess what? We have the same right to disagree and voice our opinions about what you say too.

But you go into a psychotic meltdown everytime we do.

Oh well.

 

Good luck at the "debates" where everybody is on the same side. It's a lot friendlier that way, isn't it?

Freakazoid :   "Like wow man, Bush lied, people died!"

Bongman:       "Like dude, like where's the WMD's dude? Oh wow man, bummer dude. Gnarly." 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

Maybe that's where you belong if you want to debate religion.

The rest of us are here to discuss and trade notes and learn about all things lottery.

The debate only started because you hate Christians and refuse to allow them to mention their faith in simple conversation. You take it as a personal affront if a Christian mentions he or she prayed for this or that. Get over yourself, every post that mentions God isn't an attack on you that you have to defend against. They aren't even directed at you but you think they are for some reason. I think it's called paranoia.

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians. Well guess what? We have the same right to disagree and voice our opinions about what you say too.

But you go into a psychotic meltdown everytime we do.

Oh well.

 

Good luck at the "debates" where everybody is on the same side. It's a lot friendlier that way, isn't it?

Freakazoid :   "Like wow man, Bush lied, people died!"

Bongman:       "Like dude, like where's the WMD's dude? Oh wow man, bummer dude. Gnarly." 

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians.

 

No, that's my opinion. And YOU don't have the right to tell me what I can write. YOU are NOT the owner of this site, but you act as a moderator.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians.

 

No, that's my opinion. And YOU don't have the right to tell me what I can write. YOU are NOT the owner of this site, but you act as a moderator.

OK, you can give your opinions on what everybody writes but nobody else can give opinions on what you write.

Is that what you're saying?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

OK, you can give your opinions on what everybody writes but nobody else can give opinions on what you write.

Is that what you're saying?

When did I ever say people can't write what they want? All I ever wanted was my right to express my opinion without the Ridge police accusing me of attacking Christians.

I will try to go back and dig up the original thread where I specifically asked another poster within the thread If he/she thought it was intervention or whatever he/she said, not the poster of the thread who was thanking God for her 4 grand or so win. I even congratulated her for her win.  All I did was ask another poster a question, and lo and behold you came out of the woodwork. You started your whole BS about how Christians are being attacked by people like me, when all I did was ask a question.

That's when this whole new version of the policing by you began.

When you disagree with something on a thread, you don't see me flying off the handle. I respect your opinion, and I ask you do the same.

It only gets ugly when you accuse me of things based on your interpretation of an attack. Things get out of control, and before you know it, name calling begins, and the whole thing becomes one big mess.

I thought we had an agreement, but it seems that through the passage of time, the agreement has fallen apart.

Just like every other subject on LP is subject do scrutiny, why should religous belifs have a free pass? If it's a personal thing, then keep it to yourself, but If it's displayed in a public forum, just like every other subject, then it's fair game. I always try to be respectful, but when I'm called names or mentioned as a foreigner who beats women, then I get pissed.

You write what you want, and I'll write what I want, and let Todd decide what's appropriate and what's not.

joker17

@ Ridge, Here's the original thread where all this started. The link shows where I congratulated Elizabeth on her win. Todd cleaned up the thread, so I can't show where I asked the question because he deleted it. But trust me, all I did was ask another poster a question. Whether it was divine intervention or not.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/230218/2020913

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

You can't answer a simple question without writing the same old blah blah blah over and over again.

I think my mission in this thread is done. Everyone who's read this can easily see that both you and Ridge can't answer a simple question, musch less a hundred other contradictions I could easily post.

Both of you wouldn't last 3 seconds in a debate forum concerning all of this. I've been to a few forums on the net. Forget about me, they'd eat you guys for lunch.

Like i said, it's a waste of time talking to a couple simpletons.

I think I'll head over to some of those forums where there are intelligent debates going on.

This debate here isn't even a debate, it's a circus with a couple of clowns.

You guys are no brainers to me. It's not fun when there's no challenge. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

truth is,   i told the board i already answered the question once before,  and showcased where i did,  proving omce again your just a game player.

thanks to my "skills",  you are right,  people can see now what your real motivations are.

you and i have "history".  pretty much everyone knows that.   most people can't pick people over agenda,  and so don't worry,  despite you lying incessantly,  you will still have your fans.

trouble is,  now i made it harder to pick your side,  when i made the notation you purposefully lied about calling perfectiming what you did....then NEVER owned it or apologized.

it's one thing if you lose your mind over me,  everyone expects you to given how good i am at bringing out the "real you",  so no one expects you not to lie when you are dealing with me.

on the integrity qualification scale of life,  when you purposefully called perfectiming that name,  and you had zero history with her,  that told ALL that needs to be told about your total motivations in here.

do it to me =  semi understandable

do it to someone like her (lying about it) =  your done

you want a barometer?  good,  i am good at providing one.

you claim that you are in here for the right reasons, and that's garbage

know how i can tell?   because i come after you when you pull your angst joker routine,  thinking your going to intimidate Christians.

notice how i didn't say a word to jimmy about his "atheist video"?    that's because jimmy has the right to respectfully post an opposing opionion,  something you don't do.

trust me,  i have MORE than enough in the tank to dispel from an historical basis the fallacy of jimmy's post.  could have pulled a joker angst move and bombed LP with pages of defense against jimmy's post.

i didn't

that's the difference,  your just a trolling trouble maker full of angst.

your uncontrolled lying totally unhinged your "position"

anybody that now picks the side of someone who willfully lies with conscience deserves to be on that sphere of life

you can lie to the board all you want "i didn't".

truth is,  it's archived that every time i needed to.....i did

your the only one that totally wussed.

"hard evidence", huh ?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

When did I ever say people can't write what they want? All I ever wanted was my right to express my opinion without the Ridge police accusing me of attacking Christians.

I will try to go back and dig up the original thread where I specifically asked another poster within the thread If he/she thought it was intervention or whatever he/she said, not the poster of the thread who was thanking God for her 4 grand or so win. I even congratulated her for her win.  All I did was ask another poster a question, and lo and behold you came out of the woodwork. You started your whole BS about how Christians are being attacked by people like me, when all I did was ask a question.

That's when this whole new version of the policing by you began.

When you disagree with something on a thread, you don't see me flying off the handle. I respect your opinion, and I ask you do the same.

It only gets ugly when you accuse me of things based on your interpretation of an attack. Things get out of control, and before you know it, name calling begins, and the whole thing becomes one big mess.

I thought we had an agreement, but it seems that through the passage of time, the agreement has fallen apart.

Just like every other subject on LP is subject do scrutiny, why should religous belifs have a free pass? If it's a personal thing, then keep it to yourself, but If it's displayed in a public forum, just like every other subject, then it's fair game. I always try to be respectful, but when I'm called names or mentioned as a foreigner who beats women, then I get pissed.

You write what you want, and I'll write what I want, and let Todd decide what's appropriate and what's not.

"why should religous belifs have a free pass?"

Why should you get a free pass?

It's obvious you just don't understand our culture.

Where you come from it's a police state where everything you say is under scrutiny and you are told what you can and can't say and punished if you say things that are not allowed by the religious police. You are told what God to believe in and can have your head chopped off for praying to another God. You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

Listen closely now:

 

We Don't Do That Here!

We Don't Care How You Do It In Iran!

We Don't Do That Here!

We Have Religious Freedom Here!

 

I don't know how to make it any clearer than that. I'm sorry your mind got so twisted that you believe that stuff you were raised with is the way it's supposed to be, but it's not. Our ancestors came here to escape from people like you who insist on telling others what to believe.

And I'll tell you what else freedom says. It says I can critique your words the same as you critique the words of every Christian who mentions God.

How in the world can you think it's your right to criticize people but nobody can criticize you?

I don't think it's just a culture thing either, I honestly think you're coming unhinged.

 

So go ahead with your hate crusade against American Christians but just stop whining when you get a little of your own medicine.

You ain't over there now son. It's a whole new game here. And there's something you'll have to get used to.

We don't take it layin' down.

We fight back. 

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I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

"why should religous belifs have a free pass?"

Why should you get a free pass?

It's obvious you just don't understand our culture.

Where you come from it's a police state where everything you say is under scrutiny and you are told what you can and can't say and punished if you say things that are not allowed by the religious police. You are told what God to believe in and can have your head chopped off for praying to another God. You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

Listen closely now:

 

We Don't Do That Here!

We Don't Care How You Do It In Iran!

We Don't Do That Here!

We Have Religious Freedom Here!

 

I don't know how to make it any clearer than that. I'm sorry your mind got so twisted that you believe that stuff you were raised with is the way it's supposed to be, but it's not. Our ancestors came here to escape from people like you who insist on telling others what to believe.

And I'll tell you what else freedom says. It says I can critique your words the same as you critique the words of every Christian who mentions God.

How in the world can you think it's your right to criticize people but nobody can criticize you?

I don't think it's just a culture thing either, I honestly think you're coming unhinged.

 

So go ahead with your hate crusade against American Christians but just stop whining when you get a little of your own medicine.

You ain't over there now son. It's a whole new game here. And there's something you'll have to get used to.

We don't take it layin' down.

We fight back. 

I don't want a free pass. But If you're going to debate, maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer.

 

 

You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Read the above statement you wrote above. On the opposite end I've repeatedly said I don't agree with any other country's rediculous and demented culture. I've written this a hundred times, yet you continue with this B.S. I don't agree with my country's behaviour at all. What part of this don't you get? I'm a Navy veteran who loves my country. I've assimilated, but men and women in this country gave their lives a long time a go so people like you and me can express their opinions without a police state on their ass all the time.

Stop equating me with those radical losers in Iran. If you really knew me you'd regeret saying those things. I came her when I was 7 years old in 1971. I went satright from the airport to the Macy's day parade on Thanksgiving day in N.Y. I eb=ven have an 8 millimeter movie of this event that's been converted to VHS. My family was already here, so I came here all by myself in a Boeing with the help of a Stewardess.

After the parade we went to Central Park in Manahattan, and I ate my very forst slice of pizza from a roach coach pizza wagon. I burnt my mouth cause we had to wait for a new pie and it was piping hot.

I play Rock guitar and all kinds of styles. I've owned one Chevy and ate many apple pies.

 

I'm an American. NOW, that we've established this ( I'll show you my DD-214 upon request), can we stop the racist remarks because they have absolutely no bearing to the subject at hand.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 21, 2011

I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

And that's exactly all I did. Below is the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

 

Police state....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

@ Ridge, Here's the original thread where all this started. The link shows where I congratulated Elizabeth on her win. Todd cleaned up the thread, so I can't show where I asked the question because he deleted it. But trust me, all I did was ask another poster a question. Whether it was divine intervention or not.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/230218/2020913

So you said something real nice and it got deleted cuz it was too nice and too respectful?

Gimme a break.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

So you said something real nice and it got deleted cuz it was too nice and too respectful?

Gimme a break.

Ummmm, not just my stuff got deleted. Some of your stuff got deleted because if you remember, Todd said he didn't want us to crap up the forums. So he deleted half of the thread with many comments from all sides.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

I don't want a free pass. But If you're going to debate, maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer.

 

 

You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Read the above statement you wrote above. On the opposite end I've repeatedly said I don't agree with any other country's rediculous and demented culture. I've written this a hundred times, yet you continue with this B.S. I don't agree with my country's behaviour at all. What part of this don't you get? I'm a Navy veteran who loves my country. I've assimilated, but men and women in this country gave their lives a long time a go so people like you and me can express their opinions without a police state on their ass all the time.

Stop equating me with those radical losers in Iran. If you really knew me you'd regeret saying those things. I came her when I was 7 years old in 1971. I went satright from the airport to the Macy's day parade on Thanksgiving day in N.Y. I eb=ven have an 8 millimeter movie of this event that's been converted to VHS. My family was already here, so I came here all by myself in a Boeing with the help of a Stewardess.

After the parade we went to Central Park in Manahattan, and I ate my very forst slice of pizza from a roach coach pizza wagon. I burnt my mouth cause we had to wait for a new pie and it was piping hot.

I play Rock guitar and all kinds of styles. I've owned one Chevy and ate many apple pies.

 

I'm an American. NOW, that we've established this ( I'll show you my DD-214 upon request), can we stop the racist remarks because they have absolutely no bearing to the subject at hand.

"...maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer."

 

Uh, what racist comments?

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial eveidence. Not all things can fit so neatly into this because even scientific tests have flaws. But most importantly, I find that a mixture of common sense and factual evidence makes the best tool for reaching a decision, but that's just my opinion.

It's a FACT, that light travels 186,000 per second, and it's IMPOSSIBLE based on that FACT, that the universe can only be a few thousand years old. The reason folks don't want to tackle this is because they have NO answer. Jarasan attempted a while back by mentioning Tachyons that are claimed to travel faster than the speed of light, but unfortunately he didn't do is homework because Tachyons are nothing but hypothetical. Even if they were real, they would present a whole host of other contradictions.

That is why I'm an Agnostic. I don't know for sure whether there is a God or not, and I don't claim I have insider serects to this, no one does, If they do, then they are delusional. So since there is no clear evidence of whether he exists, and even If he did, which of the THOUSANDS of Gods would you choose, so I choose to be spiritual.

But here's what I was talking about earlier when I said fact and common sense play a vital role. Over the years I came to the conclusion that since we are made of energy, and and enery cannot be destroyed, only changes, that there may POSSIBLY be a way for some form of ourselves to continue after this life has ended. And that's where my spirituality comes in. I'm open to the possibilities out there, but I will NEVER EVER subscribe to organized religion. There are literally WAY TOO many variables in life for one religion to be correct and all the other thousands to be wrong, unless that one religion can PROVE to be the right one. Til this day, none of them can prove anything except quotes fom their own texts.

If there is a God out there, and he's a loving God who knows more than we will ever be able to imagine, I'm willing to bet my soul that he has a much better approach with dealing with humans who actually take the time to search for truth, and not blindly accept the most convenient path and pick one of the top five popular religions, claiming they are right and everyone else is wrong.

There's a word for that kind of behavior. It's called DELUSIONAL.

  xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial evidence.

 

A fact is what the current authority say it is, whether it's true or not. It's the people who have the creditials to say so. The world was once thought to be flat and if you sailed on the ocean you would fall off.  So whatever you believe about science is just the opinion of others.  It's all they can figure out now.

People died and suffered from many diseases because the current authority (doctors) said there were no such thing as germs when chemists and scientists tried to tell them so.  The current authority ran Louis Pasteur  of his country when he introduced microbes and vaccines. Doctors didn't think it was necessary to wash their hands.  They didn't believe that something as small a germs even existed.  It was laughed at.

Many children died and suffered from Polio because the current authority didn't want to use a method a woman used (she actually healed many of them) because she wasn't the current authority.  Just a nurse.

So facts change.  Current authority changes. I'm sure the doctors who didn't believe there was such a thing as microbes proved their methods and it became the current authority.

Same thing with science.  It changes and is often debunked.  Facts of circustancial evidence depends on how it is used or who is using it.  Someone can be innocence but proven guilty, or guilty and proven innocent. 

The people who make our laws is the current authority.  Do they deal with facts? They are facts for us though aren't they.  Facts are not always true, honest or just or proven.  So a fact is not always something that is proven.  It's just is because the current authority say so.  Even with science and technology.

So the answer to your light years question is that facts change, depend on who is telling it.  Knowledge changes.  Nobody knows anything really.  Just look at text books in the last century or the last 20 years.  Another machine will be built to measure light years differently and it will be an "oops" we didn't calulate that right and then it will be written down as the current authority on the subject. 

When man don't know a mystery they give their opinion and the world has to take the opinion of the current authority because they have the credentials to say so. So scientific facts change as quickly as decades go by. 

The light years data is just opinion which will probably change in the next decade or sooner than that.  Man is not as smart as you think they are.  They really don't know anything.  They are just as dumb as they were thousands of years ago or they would have figured out why some pyramids are still standing.  Otherwise blame it on aliens.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 21, 2011

I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

I'm confused. We had an earlier agreement, but when things started to heat up the agreement unraveled.

We agreed that I can say what I want, and you can say what you want. You forgot already?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

"...maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer."

 

Uh, what racist comments?

Equating me with radical Muslim men in Iran who beat their wives. I don't even half a wife.....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ummmm, not just my stuff got deleted. Some of your stuff got deleted because if you remember, Todd said he didn't want us to crap up the forums. So he deleted half of the thread with many comments from all sides.

I don't recall any of mine going down.

I think it was just you and mario ganging up on Elizabeth because she said she prayed to win.

And oh, yes I know you congratulated her, you don't have to keep repeating that.

It's when you two started tag-teaming her about her religious beliefs that things got ugly.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

I'm confused. We had an earlier agreement, but when things started to heat up the agreement unraveled.

We agreed that I can say what I want, and you can say what you want. You forgot already?

Who's stopping you?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Equating me with radical Muslim men in Iran who beat their wives. I don't even half a wife.....

"I don't even half a wife....."

 

What do you do, quarter them?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Equating me with radical Muslim men in Iran who beat their wives. I don't even half a wife.....

There's apparently more than our culture that you don't understand.

You don't even understand what racism is.

People have truly suffered under racism in this country.

Please don't diminish the reality and magnitude of their genuine suffering by including yourself in their ranks for some cheap, fraudulent, personal satisfaction.

That's going over the line.

 

Mentioning how men treat women in your country has nothing to do with racism.

And you know it.

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Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 21, 2011

  xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial evidence.

 

A fact is what the current authority say it is, whether it's true or not. It's the people who have the creditials to say so. The world was once thought to be flat and if you sailed on the ocean you would fall off.  So whatever you believe about science is just the opinion of others.  It's all they can figure out now.

People died and suffered from many diseases because the current authority (doctors) said there were no such thing as germs when chemists and scientists tried to tell them so.  The current authority ran Louis Pasteur  of his country when he introduced microbes and vaccines. Doctors didn't think it was necessary to wash their hands.  They didn't believe that something as small a germs even existed.  It was laughed at.

Many children died and suffered from Polio because the current authority didn't want to use a method a woman used (she actually healed many of them) because she wasn't the current authority.  Just a nurse.

So facts change.  Current authority changes. I'm sure the doctors who didn't believe there was such a thing as microbes proved their methods and it became the current authority.

Same thing with science.  It changes and is often debunked.  Facts of circustancial evidence depends on how it is used or who is using it.  Someone can be innocence but proven guilty, or guilty and proven innocent. 

The people who make our laws is the current authority.  Do they deal with facts? They are facts for us though aren't they.  Facts are not always true, honest or just or proven.  So a fact is not always something that is proven.  It's just is because the current authority say so.  Even with science and technology.

So the answer to your light years question is that facts change, depend on who is telling it.  Knowledge changes.  Nobody knows anything really.  Just look at text books in the last century or the last 20 years.  Another machine will be built to measure light years differently and it will be an "oops" we didn't calulate that right and then it will be written down as the current authority on the subject. 

When man don't know a mystery they give their opinion and the world has to take the opinion of the current authority because they have the credentials to say so. So scientific facts change as quickly as decades go by. 

The light years data is just opinion which will probably change in the next decade or sooner than that.  Man is not as smart as you think they are.  They really don't know anything.  They are just as dumb as they were thousands of years ago or they would have figured out why some pyramids are still standing.  Otherwise blame it on aliens.

Now that makes sense!

Thanks, Tenaj.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

There's apparently more than our culture that you don't understand.

You don't even understand what racism is.

People have truly suffered under racism in this country.

Please don't diminish the reality and magnitude of their genuine suffering by including yourself in their ranks for some cheap, fraudulent, personal satisfaction.

That's going over the line.

 

Mentioning how men treat women in your country has nothing to do with racism.

And you know it.

Sorry, i gave you a chance but you blew it.

You need as much help as Visine does. Good luck !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Sorry, i gave you a chance but you blew it.

You need as much help as Visine does. Good luck !

Gave me a chance and I blew it?

Oh nooooooooooooooooooooo!Thud

joker17

Ghost Song, The Doors..

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 I've Been Flushed From The Bathroom of Your Heart

                                                                                         ~ Johnny Cash ~

 

From the back door of your life, you swept me out dear
In the bread line of your dreams, I lost my place
At the table of your love, I got the brush off
At the Indianapolis of your heart, I lost the race

I've been washed down the sink of your conscience
In the theater of your love, I lost my part
And now you say, "You've got me out of your conscience"
I've been flushed from the bathroom of your heart

In the garbage disposal of you dreams, Ive been ground up dear
On the river of your plans, I'm up the creek
Up the elevator of your future, I've been shafted
On the calendar of your events, I'm last week

I've been washed down the sink of your conscience
In the theater of your love, I lost my part
And now you say, "You've got me out of your conscience"
I've been flushed from the bathroom of your heart
visiondude's avatarvisiondude

hahahaha and a ha.

lottery post just had an add running at the top of the home page that had "paris" in it....

....so that counts ..... (of course only as a "coincidence") Wink

couldn't be anything but,  because you know,  it's entirely "impossible" that God is personal,  and does these things Winkx2

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 21, 2011

I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

respect and equality isn't that hard to spot,  and it's "agenda-less"

make an opposing opinion,  but don't even squeek over the line with underhanded tactics designed at shutting the conversation down,  and some lame post that is obvious it's only intent is start an ethics brawl.

case in point,  stacks latest underhanded swipe about the thread going "way off topic"

it is gone that way,  compared to it's original intent,  but the only reason stack the instigator stuck his head around the corner from the tree he hides behind is to make an attempt to shut it down,  merely because he doesn't like the content.

stack has been involved personally in plenty other threads / conversations that went "off topic",  but the integrity-ain't never said squat diddly then.

suddenly stack crowns himself the thread police.

it's THOSE kinds of scenario's,  where guys like me step it up a notch to protect against the "stack's" of life.

stack wasn't reminding us of brevity,  the poor wannabe thought he would pull another "stack" again

there is complete difference between an "opposing view",  and trolling just to cause trouble.

i sure know the difference (and the key players)

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i know for sure joker prays.

he is praying right now  ......(for this thread to be over and done with)

after getting highlighted red handed for lying multiple times,  and never handling stuff he sprays the board with,  joker is sweating bullets on his knee's right now, counting the minutes till the thread expires.

after it does,  he will breathe a sigh of relief,  but only long enough to regroup and head for the "next opportunity" where he can take pot shots at Christians and Christianity again.

 

perfectiming won't be the last "target" joker shoots and aims for.

joker has now metamorphasized into a Christian gang banger.

you know,  those guys filled with so much unfounded rage,  who shoot wildly,  hoping to hit their "target",  but accepting collateral damage as part of doing business.

gang bangers don't even bother going to the shooting range to practice their "aim".

they don't care,  their angst is what pulls the trigger anyway,  so if they hit their target,  cool.

  if they hit innocent bystanders, that's cool as well.

when you don't have a conscience,  who cares about having perfect aim.

joker,  LP's little angst driven "gang banger"

trouble is.....there is a "gang enforcement" unit on the scene

"one adam 12,  see the angst driven man shooting wildly into the crowd at the corrner of QP and PP streets"

officer;  badge #777,  ....."roger that,  in pursuit,  with lights and siren blaring. Dupe Alert... will approach suspect,  and wrestle the *gun*  away" 

i have a sworn duty to protect and serve,  when the jokers of the world fire off pot shots

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period.

From your answer above, I can't determine if that means yes, that is OK or if it means no, that you would respond back with "the same treatment."      I'm not even sure what you mean by the "same treatment" - those are three words - do you mean you would find fault with my post and post a three word response?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

respect and equality isn't that hard to spot,  and it's "agenda-less"

make an opposing opinion,  but don't even squeek over the line with underhanded tactics designed at shutting the conversation down,  and some lame post that is obvious it's only intent is start an ethics brawl.

case in point,  stacks latest underhanded swipe about the thread going "way off topic"

it is gone that way,  compared to it's original intent,  but the only reason stack the instigator stuck his head around the corner from the tree he hides behind is to make an attempt to shut it down,  merely because he doesn't like the content.

stack has been involved personally in plenty other threads / conversations that went "off topic",  but the integrity-ain't never said squat diddly then.

suddenly stack crowns himself the thread police.

it's THOSE kinds of scenario's,  where guys like me step it up a notch to protect against the "stack's" of life.

stack wasn't reminding us of brevity,  the poor wannabe thought he would pull another "stack" again

there is complete difference between an "opposing view",  and trolling just to cause trouble.

i sure know the difference (and the key players)

"Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period."

From your answer above, I can't tell if you approve of this or not?   An agenda can be extremely bias in either direction.  Some people post bible scriptures - that is an pro agenda in the extreme.  I am trying to find the middle ground where you would accept a response as respectful.  The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine.

Here it is again with some variations, pick which one you would say is middle ground or not worthy of a "long" discussion:

A) "Complete coincidence...period."

B)"I don't want to force any religious beliefs on anyone, because I am an  agnostic."

C)"So God only answers mock prayers?"

D) "Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his lottery prayer."

 

 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

i know for sure joker prays.

he is praying right now  ......(for this thread to be over and done with)

after getting highlighted red handed for lying multiple times,  and never handling stuff he sprays the board with,  joker is sweating bullets on his knee's right now, counting the minutes till the thread expires.

after it does,  he will breathe a sigh of relief,  but only long enough to regroup and head for the "next opportunity" where he can take pot shots at Christians and Christianity again.

 

perfectiming won't be the last "target" joker shoots and aims for.

joker has now metamorphasized into a Christian gang banger.

you know,  those guys filled with so much unfounded rage,  who shoot wildly,  hoping to hit their "target",  but accepting collateral damage as part of doing business.

gang bangers don't even bother going to the shooting range to practice their "aim".

they don't care,  their angst is what pulls the trigger anyway,  so if they hit their target,  cool.

  if they hit innocent bystanders, that's cool as well.

when you don't have a conscience,  who cares about having perfect aim.

joker,  LP's little angst driven "gang banger"

trouble is.....there is a "gang enforcement" unit on the scene

"one adam 12,  see the angst driven man shooting wildly into the crowd at the corrner of QP and PP streets"

officer;  badge #777,  ....."roger that,  in pursuit,  with lights and siren blaring. Dupe Alert... will approach suspect,  and wrestle the *gun*  away" 

i have a sworn duty to protect and serve,  when the jokers of the world fire off pot shots

You need serious help Vision. 

Get a clue, or buy one if you have to. Do some reading other than the Bible, and you may just wake up from your trance one day.

Good luck...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

That's not true at all. You were the one early on telling me NOT to make comments when someone on the forums mentions God. Don't you remember the countless times you kept saying something like......"Just let it be"......or something similar? If you want, to, you know I can go back and show you.

I don't care If someone disagrees with me, what I don't like is when someone other than the owner or moderator of this site dictates what I can't write...well too bad, it ain't gonna happen, so you better get used to it.

In this thread, all I wrote in the beginning was "100% coincidence"....so you're telling me I can't write this because it shows hate for believers?....ARE YOU FREAKING OUT OF YOUR MIND.....Here's the link below.

The link below shows RIDGE saying, without quoting anyone, that "he can't believe the hate from non-believers have for Christians, and the funny thing is that they're all gutless cowards"...Well, guess what PAL, we have a right to comment, and YOU'RE not the FREAKING POLICE.....GET OVER IT AND GO HAVE ANOTHER DRINK.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077025

 

It wasn't enough that Ridge coundn't believe the SUPPOSED hate from non believers, but he also knows that they are GUTLESS COWARDS.

So you want to bring on the B.S. about name calling, maybe YOU SHOULD START WITH YOURSELF........!!!!!!!!

 

Again, you write what you write, and I'll write what I want to write....GET IT?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

"Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period."

From your answer above, I can't tell if you approve of this or not?   An agenda can be extremely bias in either direction.  Some people post bible scriptures - that is an pro agenda in the extreme.  I am trying to find the middle ground where you would accept a response as respectful.  The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine.

Here it is again with some variations, pick which one you would say is middle ground or not worthy of a "long" discussion:

A) "Complete coincidence...period."

B)"I don't want to force any religious beliefs on anyone, because I am an  agnostic."

C)"So God only answers mock prayers?"

D) "Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his lottery prayer."

 

 

Your asking Ridge what the middle ground is and what respect is?

He needs to start with himself before pointing fingers.

If I had the time and energy, I'd sift thru the countless pages and look for his disrespectful remarks in other threads.

What a joke, asking him.

It's like asking a rapist what he thinks about respect for women.

joker17

Hey Vision, it's your lucky day.

I was just watching Masterchef on HULU, and one guy who won the previous challenge got to choose which of the three themes the rest of the challengers had to cook for the next challenge.

The three themes were from Spain, France, and England. The guy chose France.

That's it, I'm converting today and moving to France...lol

 

Skip to 21:05 in the video to see what he chose:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/251383/masterchef-elimination-18-cut-to-16

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period.

From your answer above, I can't determine if that means yes, that is OK or if it means no, that you would respond back with "the same treatment."      I'm not even sure what you mean by the "same treatment" - those are three words - do you mean you would find fault with my post and post a three word response?

Same treatment means I can criticize you guys the same way you criticize anybody who mentions God.

Joker doesn't think I should be able to do that.

He says that if I criticize him for what he says, I'm telling him what he can or can't say.

He wants free reign to criticize anybody he wants but he doesn't want anybody criticizing him. 

 

If that is still unclear to you, I don't know how else to put it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Same treatment means I can criticize you guys the same way you criticize anybody who mentions God.

Joker doesn't think I should be able to do that.

He says that if I criticize him for what he says, I'm telling him what he can or can't say.

He wants free reign to criticize anybody he wants but he doesn't want anybody criticizing him. 

 

If that is still unclear to you, I don't know how else to put it.

You can criticize me, just don't tell me what the content of my posts should consist of. Criticize specific details that you don't agree with. Accusing me of a being wife beater because I just happen to be from Iran is not criticism . Not only that, it has nothing to do with the subject, just a cheap shot.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

"Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period."

From your answer above, I can't tell if you approve of this or not?   An agenda can be extremely bias in either direction.  Some people post bible scriptures - that is an pro agenda in the extreme.  I am trying to find the middle ground where you would accept a response as respectful.  The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine.

Here it is again with some variations, pick which one you would say is middle ground or not worthy of a "long" discussion:

A) "Complete coincidence...period."

B)"I don't want to force any religious beliefs on anyone, because I am an  agnostic."

C)"So God only answers mock prayers?"

D) "Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his lottery prayer."

 

 

"The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine."

Someone will always say you're being disrespectful when you disagree with their opinion because they believe their opinion is the only one that counts. This topic is an example of how opinions of "coincidence" can be disrespected by those believing "a mock prayer was answered by Divine intervention" and vice versa. Even a middle ground opinion like since the lottery ticket was purchased at a church ran function, there is a probability that others prayed their ticket would win for various reasons would create disagreements on how the prayer answering process works.

My opinion on this topic is I'm little bit skeptical on the timing of the mock prayer and the change from atheist to believer because people will say anything when $1 million is involve

VD said: "case in point,  stacks latest underhanded swipe about the thread going "way off topic"

it is gone that way,  compared to it's original intent,  but the only reason stack the instigator stuck his head around the corner from the tree he hides

behind is to make an attempt to shut it down,  merely because he doesn't like the content."

VD certainly proved it's impossible for him to be respectful even after agreeing with my opinion this thread has gone way off topic by saying my "only reason" is something he made up. I don't read VD's posts, but it's ironic that in the post you quoted, VD helped you make your determination.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Same treatment means I can criticize you guys the same way you criticize anybody who mentions God.

Joker doesn't think I should be able to do that.

He says that if I criticize him for what he says, I'm telling him what he can or can't say.

He wants free reign to criticize anybody he wants but he doesn't want anybody criticizing him. 

 

If that is still unclear to you, I don't know how else to put it.

Let me rephrase it.

IF I posted "Complete coincidence...period."

Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

That's not true at all. You were the one early on telling me NOT to make comments when someone on the forums mentions God. Don't you remember the countless times you kept saying something like......"Just let it be"......or something similar? If you want, to, you know I can go back and show you.

I don't care If someone disagrees with me, what I don't like is when someone other than the owner or moderator of this site dictates what I can't write...well too bad, it ain't gonna happen, so you better get used to it.

In this thread, all I wrote in the beginning was "100% coincidence"....so you're telling me I can't write this because it shows hate for believers?....ARE YOU FREAKING OUT OF YOUR MIND.....Here's the link below.

The link below shows RIDGE saying, without quoting anyone, that "he can't believe the hate from non-believers have for Christians, and the funny thing is that they're all gutless cowards"...Well, guess what PAL, we have a right to comment, and YOU'RE not the FREAKING POLICE.....GET OVER IT AND GO HAVE ANOTHER DRINK.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077025

 

It wasn't enough that Ridge coundn't believe the SUPPOSED hate from non believers, but he also knows that they are GUTLESS COWARDS.

So you want to bring on the B.S. about name calling, maybe YOU SHOULD START WITH YOURSELF........!!!!!!!!

 

Again, you write what you write, and I'll write what I want to write....GET IT?

There's an all-out assault on Christianity going on in this country and it is fully backed by the liberal establishment and spread primarily by little runts and pukes like you. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

Yeah, I called you all gutless cowards. Why? Because I know not one of you would dare say a word of this garbage to my face.

Which would be a wise choice for you. Cowardly, but wise.

Somebody please shoot me when I start taking orders from some little runt cab driver, please.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

Let me rephrase it.

IF I posted "Complete coincidence...period."

Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?

Absolutely.

It's when the hate-filled religious lecturing or ridicule starts because somebody mentions prayer that I respond with my opinion.

Then he goes berserk screaming that I'm telling him what he can or cannot say.  Crazy 

He wants to be the final unimpeachable, unquestioned authority on everything.

Uh... Ain't happenin'.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

There's an all-out assault on Christianity going on in this country and it is fully backed by the liberal establishment and spread primarily by little runts and pukes like you. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

Yeah, I called you all gutless cowards. Why? Because I know not one of you would dare say a word of this garbage to my face.

Which would be a wise choice for you. Cowardly, but wise.

Somebody please shoot me when I start taking orders from some little runt cab driver, please.

I'd gladly say this to your face punk, any freaking time asswipe. You think I'm afraid of an loser like you. In fact, it would make my freaking day.

I'm not scared of any man because they bleed just like I do. Trust me little fellow, I grew up in N.Y. and faced gang members with one in the back of the line with a pistol in his hand.  You really believe I'm afarid of dumbass backward hillybilly?

Give me a freking break.

 

I hope more and more folks read this thread to see the real Ridge.

Instead of criticizing me of what I write SPECIFICALLY, he continues to attack me with cheap shots about my origin with and some cab driver insults to boot.

He can't even get his facts straight. I'm not a liberal, conservative, or any of that crap. And it's not an attck on Christianity, it's an attack on a-holes like you who want to suppress what people with other beliefs systems can write in a public forum.'

Guess what, I'll be gald to put you out of your misery. One less moron in the world is fine with me.

YOU'RE A RACIST  HYPOCRITE......!!

Imagine that, a Racist accusing me of attacking Christianity.

The pot calling the kettle black. Ridge you are a joke to me.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Absolutely.

It's when the hate-filled religious lecturing or ridicule starts because somebody mentions prayer that I respond with my opinion.

Then he goes berserk screaming that I'm telling him what he can or cannot say.  Crazy 

He wants to be the final unimpeachable, unquestioned authority on everything.

Uh... Ain't happenin'.

You have just as much hate filled in your posts as you claim I have. Stop being such a Racist hypocrite.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I'd gladly say this to your face punk, any freaking time asswipe. You think I'm afraid of an loser like you. In fact, it would make my freaking day.

I'm not scared of any man because they bleed just like I do. Trust me little fellow, I grew up in N.Y. and faced gang members with one in the back of the line with a pistol in his hand.  You really believe I'm afarid of dumbass backward hillybilly?

Give me a freking break.

 

I hope more and more folks read this thread to see the real Ridge.

Instead of criticizing me of what I write SPECIFICALLY, he continues to attack me with cheap shots about my origin with and some cab driver insults to boot.

He can't even get his facts straight. I'm not a liberal, conservative, or any of that crap. And it's not an attck on Christianity, it's an attack on a-holes like you who want to suppress what people with other beliefs systems can write in a public forum.'

Guess what, I'll be gald to put you out of your misery. One less moron in the world is fine with me.

YOU'RE A RACIST  HYPOCRITE......!!

Imagine that, a Racist accusing me of attacking Christianity.

The pot calling the kettle black. Ridge you are a joke to me.

You ain't got the cojones, boy.

You're all talk.

And you know it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

You ain't got the cojones, boy.

You're all talk.

And you know it.

Tough internet punks. You gotta love it. They're tough because they have hudreds of miles separating them. What a douche.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Tough internet punks. You gotta love it. They're tough because they have hudreds of miles separating them. What a douche.

Don't you wish you had a woman around to take your hostilities out on right about now?

Sorry, you can't do that here.

Get used to it.

You live by our rules now, joker.

Don't like it? Go back to your cave, sonny boy.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Don't you wish you had a woman around to take your hostilities out on right about now?

Sorry, you can't do that here.

Get used to it.

You live by our rules now, joker.

Don't like it? Go back to your cave, sonny boy.

And you call yourself a Christian? What a joke. Where's the part about tolerence, turning the other cheek and so on. You lack everything a true Christian prides themselves with.

You are a Christian wannabe.

I don't live by your rules. If anyone is breaking any rules around here is you. You started the name calling and racist remarks. If I were the owner of this site, you'd be gone a long time ago.

The only reason I started calling you hillbilly is because I stooped down to your level, which was my bad. I should've just continued with what I was writing and let everyone see your true colors.

A Christian wannabe who doesn't even abide by his Bible's teachings.

You give Christianity a BAD name.

Just like Ghandi said....."I would probably be a Christian If it weren't for Christians". How it so ironically fits this thread.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

And you call yourself a Christian? What a joke. Where's the part about tolerence, turning the other cheek and so on. You lack everything a true Christian prides themselves with.

You are a Christian wannabe.

I don't live by your rules. If anyone is breaking any rules around here is you. You started the name calling and racist remarks. If I were the owner of this site, you'd be gone a long time ago.

The only reason I started calling you hillbilly is because I stooped down to your level, which was my bad. I should've just continued with what I was writing and let everyone see your true colors.

A Christian wannabe who doesn't even abide by his Bible's teachings.

You give Christianity a BAD name.

Just like Ghandi said....."I would probably be a Christian If it weren't for Christians". How it so ironically fits this thread.

I am chief among sinners, joker.

You know how we are to turn the other cheek and that is why you attack us because you don't want anybody who fights back. But I fight back, too bad for you.

That's why you aren't constantly ridiculing and attacking muslims because they will chop your head off for simply disagreeing with them. Yes, your people.

All part and parcel of why you are a gutless coward.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

There's an all-out assault on Christianity going on in this country and it is fully backed by the liberal establishment and spread primarily by little runts and pukes like you. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

Yeah, I called you all gutless cowards. Why? Because I know not one of you would dare say a word of this garbage to my face.

Which would be a wise choice for you. Cowardly, but wise.

Somebody please shoot me when I start taking orders from some little runt cab driver, please.

 I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

 

So you are telling me what I can write. See, I knew you couldn't back up what you wrote earlier.

Deep down I knew I was right about you.

Flip flopping with what is required by the almighty Ridge.

Make up your mind. You're making a fool out of yourself.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

 I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

 

So you are telling me what I can write. See, I knew you couldn't back up what you wrote earlier.

Deep down I knew I was right about you.

Flip flopping with what is required by the almighty Ridge.

Make up your mind. You're making a fool out of yourself.

"So you are telling me what I can write."

 

Case in point: You still don't get it, do you?

Unbelievable.

 

I have to go out, so talk to yourself, drink another box of wine, whatever.

Toodles!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I am chief among sinners, joker.

You know how we are to turn the other cheek and that is why you attack us because you don't want anybody who fights back. But I fight back, too bad for you.

That's why you aren't constantly ridiculing and attacking muslims because they will chop your head off for simply disagreeing with them. Yes, your people.

All part and parcel of why you are a gutless coward.

Good, now you can go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were on Wednesday. Then once he clears you, you can come back on Monday and start your crap all over again because you know that on Sunday you can go and clean it all up.

What a deal !

Now you know why I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have.  It's so convenient for you. Just sin like there's no tomorrow, but not to worry, Sunday is just around the corner.

Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules matching individual agendas.

I'll tell you what, when all the different versions of Christianity band together and agree on the same rules, then I may take you seriously. Until then, it's a failed attempt to convince me how great it is. Especially If you claim to be a representative. That makes it even more unbelievable.

Hit With Stick

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"So you are telling me what I can write."

 

Case in point: You still don't get it, do you?

Unbelievable.

 

I have to go out, so talk to yourself, drink another box of wine, whatever.

Toodles!

Oh I get it alright. As long as I write things that isn't approved by you about what I believe about God, I don't have to worry about remarks from you about me being a wife beater cab driver from Iran who's a little runt, a liberal, and lives in a cave.

I got it.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

Let me rephrase it.

IF I posted "Complete coincidence...period."

Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?

it is,  and in the vein of not flooding the thread with any more posts than is necessary,  all four of your previous "suggestions" feel under the category of "respectful".

us believers don't expect anything beyond the respect factor. 

no one is asking you to tip toe around our beliefs, just don't attack them just because you don't like them

i obviously could care less how ardent a 180 degree "belief" is from mine,  because i am not all over LP in every thread / forum spraying my displeasure.

therein lies the parameter, respect

a perfect example would be joker's "20,000 children a day offering"

it wasn't so much the hard question / challenge to our faith, as it was his timing and intent,  and his only intent was a disrespectful sarcastic jerk angst driven swipe.

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

you want to offer counterpoints based on a disbelief in our way of thinking, perfectly acceptable

you resort to belittling, name calling,  mocking statements like "that's just a moronic fairy tale",  etc, then expect to take one on the chin from us while doing so. 

making comments that have the "purposeful jerk factor" are sure to garner special treatment

the one punk move that brings out visiondude 2.0,  is when someone pulls some underhanded manuever to attempt to kill the convo about God,  just because they don't like it.   i reach for another gear when i smell that

can't count how many times integrity giants like the likes of stack complain about content (yet they read every bit of the thread),  or the "it's way off topic now" garbage,  when they go off topic in other threads.

that has been the main reason for my residentcy at LP,  to protect the right to talk about God.   if you search my archived history,  if it were to go back that far,  from my first appearance i made sure the integrity of Christ was highlighted, and protected......at least the basic right to discuss it openly

respect is pretty obvious and observable,  and so is an attack,  veiled or otherwise

to even have to HAVE a discussion about what's acceptable respect-wise says lot about you guys intent,  and it's sliding scale of truth.   respect is a universal commodity,  and you don't have to have brain surgeon intellect to recognize or aknowledge it.

you guys know full well what you do,  and it's been demonstrated you could care less,  you will still keep doing it,  but now you have to PM each other to figure out new veiled ways to do it.

joker.   that guy will continue to throw angst driven fastballs right over the plate.

i know people.  it's what i do

truecritic's avatartruecritic

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

it is,  and in the vein of not flooding the thread with any more posts than is necessary,  all four of your previous "suggestions" feel under the category of "respectful".

us believers don't expect anything beyond the respect factor. 

no one is asking you to tip toe around our beliefs, just don't attack them just because you don't like them

i obviously could care less how ardent a 180 degree "belief" is from mine,  because i am not all over LP in every thread / forum spraying my displeasure.

therein lies the parameter, respect

a perfect example would be joker's "20,000 children a day offering"

it wasn't so much the hard question / challenge to our faith, as it was his timing and intent,  and his only intent was a disrespectful sarcastic jerk angst driven swipe.

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

you want to offer counterpoints based on a disbelief in our way of thinking, perfectly acceptable

you resort to belittling, name calling,  mocking statements like "that's just a moronic fairy tale",  etc, then expect to take one on the chin from us while doing so. 

making comments that have the "purposeful jerk factor" are sure to garner special treatment

the one punk move that brings out visiondude 2.0,  is when someone pulls some underhanded manuever to attempt to kill the convo about God,  just because they don't like it.   i reach for another gear when i smell that

can't count how many times integrity giants like the likes of stack complain about content (yet they read every bit of the thread),  or the "it's way off topic now" garbage,  when they go off topic in other threads.

that has been the main reason for my residentcy at LP,  to protect the right to talk about God.   if you search my archived history,  if it were to go back that far,  from my first appearance i made sure the integrity of Christ was highlighted, and protected......at least the basic right to discuss it openly

respect is pretty obvious and observable,  and so is an attack,  veiled or otherwise

to even have to HAVE a discussion about what's acceptable respect-wise says lot about you guys intent,  and it's sliding scale of truth.   respect is a universal commodity,  and you don't have to have brain surgeon intellect to recognize or aknowledge it.

you guys know full well what you do,  and it's been demonstrated you could care less,  you will still keep doing it,  but now you have to PM each other to figure out new veiled ways to do it.

joker.   that guy will continue to throw angst driven fastballs right over the plate.

i know people.  it's what i do

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

 

More babysitting. I'm really getting tired of having to do all the work around here, going back and straightening things out.

Perfecttiming basically called me an IGNORAMUS. But you guys have NO PROBLEM with that of course.

In this light, I don't feel bad calling someone a dumbass.Look at the post below in the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092563

 

Doesn't sound so innocent to me.Puke

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

Ridge doesn't care about facts. His mission is to attack me with irrelevant subjects. I'm an Iranian caveman cab driver who likes to beat women. That's his defense. If that's not a looney tune mind, then I don't know what else it could be.

The very notion that he believes without any FACTS,  some scribblings in some book by ignorant old men who didn't have a clue about their world reveals a lot about Ridge. He doesn't care about facts.

I bet he still believes in Santa and the tooth fairy.

Hey Ridge, I got a bridge to sell you. Only 50 bucks.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

I had a feeling you had an ulterior motive but gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway.

And I was right.

You already know I wasn't responding to joker so there's no need for the big charade.

Anybody who didn't see what was building up  prior to my post is blind. I tried to nip it in the bud before their frenzy of hate for Christians got into full swing.

I stand by my words and I don't see any malevolence in Vision's words; he calmly, rationally and reasonably voiced his opinion on joker's comment.

So what's the problem?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

 

More babysitting. I'm really getting tired of having to do all the work around here, going back and straightening things out.

Perfecttiming basically called me an IGNORAMUS. But you guys have NO PROBLEM with that of course.

In this light, I don't feel bad calling someone a dumbass.Look at the post below in the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092563

 

Doesn't sound so innocent to me.Puke

Wait a minute!

You said you were calling someone else a dumbass, not Perfecttiming!

Are you admitting now that you were LYING?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Cat got your tongue?

Hmmm?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Wait a minute!

You said you were calling someone else a dumbass, not Perfecttiming!

Are you admitting now that you were LYING?

No, you are mixed up.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Can't wait to see him lie his way out of this one now.

Oughta be good.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Cat got your tongue?

Hmmm?

You really believe I sit at this thread all day long waiting to see a new response?

I have a life. I go to other sites, like check my email, or browse the other forums on this site.

Maybe I have to go take pee.  Hit With Stick

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Can't wait to see him lie his way out of this one now.

Oughta be good.

Lie about what?

When you accused me of calling someone a dumbass, I thought you were referring to the lady who thanked God for her 4 grand win or whatever amount it was in another thread. Then I realized you were talking about perfecttiming. I'm not always sober when you write to me.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

No, you are mixed up.

LOL I'm mixed up!

Good one, you've outdone yourself! LOL

Unbelievable.

Another great lie by joker!Green laugh

You buried yourself with that one, dude, seriously.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Lie about what?

When you accused me of calling someone a dumbass, I thought you were referring to the lady who thanked God for her 4 grand win or whatever amount it was in another thread. Then I realized you were talking about perfecttiming. I'm not always sober when you write to me.

The lies just keep on coming!

Do you take strategy lessons from Anthony Weiner or what?

You really got a tangled mess of lies going now!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I had a feeling you had an ulterior motive but gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway.

And I was right.

You already know I wasn't responding to joker so there's no need for the big charade.

Anybody who didn't see what was building up  prior to my post is blind. I tried to nip it in the bud before their frenzy of hate for Christians got into full swing.

I stand by my words and I don't see any malevolence in Vision's words; he calmly, rationally and reasonably voiced his opinion on joker's comment.

So what's the problem?

"I had a feeling you had an ulterior motive but gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway."

Thank you.  Not sure what the ulterior motive was, other than hopefully bring some reason to this thread.  I agree that the remarks should be respectful (of course that goes for both sides).  I am looking for some common ground.  Does it really matter who brings peace to this?  What do you think I have to gain when I propose any of my ideas? 

"Anybody who didn't see what was building up  prior to my post is blind. I tried to nip it in the bud before their frenzy of hate for Christians got into full swing."

You mean your comment on page 2?   This comment by you was intended to defuse the situation???  I find that hard to believe - not even a little bit.  BTW, I can't see where that wasn't directed at joker.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying you were including others because you said "cowards" plural.  If this wasn't the internet, I do believe you would have been shot considering the atmosphere of the thread at the time.

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em."

 

 

"So what's the problem?"

The problem is the religious people don't like to hear even the slightest thing against their religion - atheists probably don't like to hear derogatory remarks either.  So, it escalates.

If it comes down to worldwide numbers, there are more that believe in Evolution.  Evolutionists believe the Bible is nothing more than a book - but that gets you upset, so you fire back immediately. So, it escalates.

 

darwin

"This chart depicts the public acceptance of evolution theory in 34 countries in 2005. Adults were asked to respond to the statement: "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals." The percentage of respondents who believed this to be true is marked in blue; those who believed it to be false, in red; and those who were not sure, in yellow.

A study of several such surveys taken since 1985 has found that the United States ranks next to last in acceptance of evolution theory among nations polled. Researchers point out that the number of Americans who are uncertain about the theory's validity has increased over the past 20 years."

Photo: Evolution Less Accepted in U.S. Than Other Western Countries, Study Finds:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

LOL I'm mixed up!

Good one, you've outdone yourself! LOL

Unbelievable.

Another great lie by joker!Green laugh

You buried yourself with that one, dude, seriously.

Regardless of whether you think I lied about it, I still stand behind what I wrote. She/he called me an ignoramus, and I called her/him a dumbass. So what's your point?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Regardless of whether you think I lied about it, I still stand behind what I wrote. She/he called me an ignoramus, and I called her/him a dumbass. So what's your point?

No, what she said is agnostics call themselves ignoramuses by the very definition of the term (ignorant). 

Then you mocked her for posting Scripture and called her a dumbass.

What I stand behind (my point) is that you lied about it.

And you know you did.

Now go ahead and add another lie to the pack you have going.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

No, what she said is agnostics call themselves ignoramuses by the very definition of the term (ignorant). 

Then you mocked her for posting Scripture and called her a dumbass.

What I stand behind (my point) is that you lied about it.

And you know you did.

Now go ahead and add another lie to the pack you have going.

That makes perfecttiming even more of a dumbass for making things up about the word AGNOSTIC.

Below is her definition:

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

 

Below is from  Merriam Webster:

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\noun


Examples of AGNOSTIC

  1. Even polytheists … were in fact tolerated, as Islamic rule spread to most of India. Only the total unbeliever—the agnostic or atheist—was beyond the pale of tolerance … —Bernard Lewis, Islam in History, 1993
  2. Supporters of education vouchers … will love what Norman Macrae has to say on the subject. Teachers' unions and other opponents of vouchers … will deplore it. Voucher agnostics (and I include myself) might find that the proposal not only answers most doubts but also makes sense on issues they've never much thought about. —William Raspberry, Springfield (Massachusetts) Union, 14 Aug. 1987
  3. I call myself an agnostic. I do not really have any faith, any coherent religious faith, and yet the one thing in my life that I feel passionate and evangelical about is poetry. —Maxine Kumin, An Interview at Interlochen, 1977, in To Make a Prairie, 1979
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Origin of AGNOSTIC

Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know  — more at know
First Known Use: 1869
 
 
Even Jimmy pointed out her error.
Nice try, try it on someone else.
rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You really believe I sit at this thread all day long waiting to see a new response?

I have a life. I go to other sites, like check my email, or browse the other forums on this site.

Maybe I have to go take pee.  Hit With Stick

"Maybe I have to go take pee." 

 

Whose do you take and do they know about it?

I think that may be illegal.

Definitely sick though.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

That makes perfecttiming even more of a dumbass for making things up about the word AGNOSTIC.

Below is her definition:

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

 

Below is from  Merriam Webster:

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\noun


Examples of AGNOSTIC

  1. Even polytheists … were in fact tolerated, as Islamic rule spread to most of India. Only the total unbeliever—the agnostic or atheist—was beyond the pale of tolerance … —Bernard Lewis, Islam in History, 1993
  2. Supporters of education vouchers … will love what Norman Macrae has to say on the subject. Teachers' unions and other opponents of vouchers … will deplore it. Voucher agnostics (and I include myself) might find that the proposal not only answers most doubts but also makes sense on issues they've never much thought about. —William Raspberry, Springfield (Massachusetts) Union, 14 Aug. 1987
  3. I call myself an agnostic. I do not really have any faith, any coherent religious faith, and yet the one thing in my life that I feel passionate and evangelical about is poetry. —Maxine Kumin, An Interview at Interlochen, 1977, in To Make a Prairie, 1979
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Origin of AGNOSTIC

Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know  — more at know
First Known Use: 1869
 
 
Even Jimmy pointed out her error.
Nice try, try it on someone else.

Unknowable is subjective. If you don't know something, you're ignorant of it.

And because something is unknowable to you doesn't mean it's unknowable to me.

And your edited texts don't carry any weight anyway.

Soooooooooo...

Are you finally admitting that you lied?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

That makes perfecttiming even more of a dumbass for making things up about the word AGNOSTIC.

Below is her definition:

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

 

Below is from  Merriam Webster:

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\noun


Examples of AGNOSTIC

  1. Even polytheists … were in fact tolerated, as Islamic rule spread to most of India. Only the total unbeliever—the agnostic or atheist—was beyond the pale of tolerance … —Bernard Lewis, Islam in History, 1993
  2. Supporters of education vouchers … will love what Norman Macrae has to say on the subject. Teachers' unions and other opponents of vouchers … will deplore it. Voucher agnostics (and I include myself) might find that the proposal not only answers most doubts but also makes sense on issues they've never much thought about. —William Raspberry, Springfield (Massachusetts) Union, 14 Aug. 1987
  3. I call myself an agnostic. I do not really have any faith, any coherent religious faith, and yet the one thing in my life that I feel passionate and evangelical about is poetry. —Maxine Kumin, An Interview at Interlochen, 1977, in To Make a Prairie, 1979
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Origin of AGNOSTIC

Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know  — more at know
First Known Use: 1869
 
 
Even Jimmy pointed out her error.
Nice try, try it on someone else.

"Even Jimmy pointed out her error."

 

Well finally, the voice of authority!

We all know how fair and unbiased Nancy is! LOL

Maybe we could get truecricket to weigh in now with his unbiased opinion to back you up.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Unknowable is subjective. If you don't know something, you're ignorant of it.

And because something is unknowable to you doesn't mean it's unknowable to me.

And your edited texts don't carry any weight anyway.

Soooooooooo...

Are you finally admitting that you lied?

Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

Here's another definition below.

You are here: Philosophy
>> Learn More About Agnostics!
>> What Is An
Agnostic

What is an Agnostic?

What
is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

Agnostic
Origins
The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
was introduced by Thomas
H. Huxley
, 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
of the Species
.” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

 

Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"Even Jimmy pointed out her error."

 

Well finally, the voice of authority!

We all know how fair and unbiased Nancy is! LOL

Maybe we could get truecricket to weigh in now with his unbiased opinion to back you up.

No, he referred to Huxley, who originally coined the term. Maybe If you do some research you'd wisen up.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

Here's another definition below.

You are here: Philosophy
>> Learn More About Agnostics!
>> What Is An
Agnostic

What is an Agnostic?

What
is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

Agnostic
Origins
The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
was introduced by Thomas
H. Huxley
, 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
of the Species
.” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

 

Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

"Nope, I didn't lie."            
Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

 

You say I shouldn't  believe anything written in a book called the Bible but you want me to believe something written in a book by some dork named Huxley?

Why? Is he your God? Why do you believe him? Why should I believe him? Where's the proof? Why does he let 20,000 kids die every day? Did your little green men tell you he's God when they were giving you tonight's numbers? What about the light years and the galaxies? 

 

Listen, my only reason for being involved in this increasingly tedious exchange is to try to get you to understand that I can criticize what you say the same as you can criticize what Christians say.

And I will.

Why can't you understand that?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"Nope, I didn't lie."            
Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

 

You say I shouldn't  believe anything written in a book called the Bible but you want me to believe something written in a book by some dork named Huxley?

Why? Is he your God? Why do you believe him? Why should I believe him? Where's the proof? Why does he let 20,000 kids die every day? Did your little green men tell you he's God when they were giving you tonight's numbers? What about the light years and the galaxies? 

 

Listen, my only reason for being involved in this increasingly tedious exchange is to try to get you to understand that I can criticize what you say the same as you can criticize what Christians say.

And I will.

Why can't you understand that?

No, Huxley isn't my God because I don't have any Gods. I'm an open minded human who is spiritual to some extent, but that's where I draw the line. I believe there is a universal intelligence out there, but it's a collective one.

 

Why do you keep making me repeat myself? I already said a thousand times that you have every right to criticize me, and a short time ago we agreed to just let each other write what they want. But something happened to you when you saw a response, I forget which one, and then you went back to your old self again.

The only thing that I asked was that If you want to criticize me, why don't you stay on the subject and stop interjecting rediculous and irrelevant cheap shots about my ethnic backround? If you really believe that will give you an upper hand in all this, you are sadly mistaken.

I don't care If you keep ranting, I'll always be there to reply. Except when I'm at work, because I no longer take my laptop with me to work.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Good, now you can go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were on Wednesday. Then once he clears you, you can come back on Monday and start your crap all over again because you know that on Sunday you can go and clean it all up.

What a deal !

Now you know why I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have.  It's so convenient for you. Just sin like there's no tomorrow, but not to worry, Sunday is just around the corner.

Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules matching individual agendas.

I'll tell you what, when all the different versions of Christianity band together and agree on the same rules, then I may take you seriously. Until then, it's a failed attempt to convince me how great it is. Especially If you claim to be a representative. That makes it even more unbelievable.

Hit With Stick

"go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were"

"I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have."

"Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules" 

 

Yeah, I don't believe you have anything against Christians.

I'll just let your words speak for themselves.

No commentary needed.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"Nope, I didn't lie."            
Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

 

You say I shouldn't  believe anything written in a book called the Bible but you want me to believe something written in a book by some dork named Huxley?

Why? Is he your God? Why do you believe him? Why should I believe him? Where's the proof? Why does he let 20,000 kids die every day? Did your little green men tell you he's God when they were giving you tonight's numbers? What about the light years and the galaxies? 

 

Listen, my only reason for being involved in this increasingly tedious exchange is to try to get you to understand that I can criticize what you say the same as you can criticize what Christians say.

And I will.

Why can't you understand that?

Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

I just don't get you. It's a definition by a man who coined the term. It's not whether I believe him or not, it's just a definition.  For crying out loud, stop digging at the bottom of the barrel already. It's pointless. Perfecttiming used a definition I've never seen before, so I went and got one...so what? You keep trying to twist things around.

It's like If someone asks me what the definition of apple is. Someone at some point created that word. So do you go around telling people you don't believe the word apple is correct because it was written by someone you don't know, so you're not gonna use it anymore? See how stupid that sounds?

Why don't you think before you try to make an anology.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were"

"I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have."

"Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules" 

 

Yeah, I don't believe you have anything against Christians.

I'll just let your words speak for themselves.

No commentary needed.

That's my opinion. Does it make sense to do whatever you want to do like call me names because as you say, you're a chief of sinners, and drink like a fish, of which the body is a temple of God, and then go to church on Sunday and wipe the slate clean, only to start the whole process over again because you know Sunday is around the corner. If you really believe you're getting away with all of this, well, you're the ignorant one. Sinners are supposed to better themselves no?.....not use the system with confession as an excuse to keep sinning.

I can absolutely point out the contradictions If I want to. Just like you have the right to call me a wife beating caveman cab driver from Iran.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

No, Huxley isn't my God because I don't have any Gods. I'm an open minded human who is spiritual to some extent, but that's where I draw the line. I believe there is a universal intelligence out there, but it's a collective one.

 

Why do you keep making me repeat myself? I already said a thousand times that you have every right to criticize me, and a short time ago we agreed to just let each other write what they want. But something happened to you when you saw a response, I forget which one, and then you went back to your old self again.

The only thing that I asked was that If you want to criticize me, why don't you stay on the subject and stop interjecting rediculous and irrelevant cheap shots about my ethnic backround? If you really believe that will give you an upper hand in all this, you are sadly mistaken.

I don't care If you keep ranting, I'll always be there to reply. Except when I'm at work, because I no longer take my laptop with me to work.

Hey, quit whining about ethnic background bs when you call somebody a hillbilly, pal.

I am a hillbilly and proud of it. But cab drivers from Iran don't get to call me that.

It really doesn't bother me; in fact it is used more as a term of endearment around here nowadays; it's just that I don't afford you that privilege. 

You might get away with it here but if I was in your cab and you called me that you'd be spittin out teeth.

Believe that.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Hey, quit whining about ethnic background bs when you call somebody a hillbilly, pal.

I am a hillbilly and proud of it. But cab drivers from Iran don't get to call me that.

It really doesn't bother me; in fact it is used more as a term of endearment around here nowadays; it's just that I don't afford you that privilege. 

You might get away with it here but if I was in your cab and you called me that you'd be spittin out teeth.

Believe that.

I only started to call you hillbilly because you started with the Iran stuff.

You won't afford me the privilege....really.....Ok, let's see what happens...........HILLBILLY !

Hitting me would be the last thing you ever did. I don't fight clean homey !

joker17

Everytime you open your trap, you dig yourself deeper into the hole.

Maybe you should go back and re-read your Bible.  It seems you have yourown customized version. You're nothing but a hypocrite. You're not a Christian. You only pretend to be a Christian. 

You should be ashamed of yourself for calling yourself a Christian. Pathetic....Thinking of...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I only started to call you hillbilly because you started with the Iran stuff.

You won't afford me the privilege....really.....Ok, let's see what happens...........HILLBILLY !

Hitting me would be the last thing you ever did. I don't fight clean homey !

"I don't fight clean homey!"

 

You don't have to explain about the "clean" thing.

You don't have to explain at all.

I've been in stinkmobile cabs before.

We all have.

But you like the smell. 

Cuz it's coming off of you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"I don't fight clean homey!"

 

You don't have to explain about the "clean" thing.

You don't have to explain at all.

I've been in stinkmobile cabs before.

We all have.

But you like the smell. 

Cuz it's coming off of you.

Sorry, but yet another failed attempt at whatever that is. I take a shower everyday, and sometimes twice a day in the summer time.

It's amazing how you think you know so much about me, yet I defintely know so much more about you.  You believe in fairytales. That tells me a lot.

 

But Ridge knows which one is the correct one. How?....well because he's much more intelligent than the rest of us.

Maybe because it has top billing? Yeah, that's the ticket....The majority rules.....

LOONEY TUNES !......Crazy

 

Yeah, keep it up with the cab thing. I'll just keep listing all the crazy stuff religious brainwashed folks like you believe in.

The difference between your Iran cab driver stunts and what I write, is that mine is true.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Sorry, but yet another failed attempt at whatever that is. I take a shower everyday, and sometimes twice a day in the summer time.

It's amazing how you think you know so much about me, yet I defintely know so much more about you.  You believe in fairytales. That tells me a lot.

 

But Ridge knows which one is the correct one. How?....well because he's much more intelligent than the rest of us.

Maybe because it has top billing? Yeah, that's the ticket....The majority rules.....

LOONEY TUNES !......Crazy

 

Yeah, keep it up with the cab thing. I'll just keep listing all the crazy stuff religious brainwashed folks like you believe in.

The difference between your Iran cab driver stunts and what I write, is that mine is true.

What are you preaching and proselytizing about?

You're never going to convert me if that's what it's all about.

 

I've never made any claims about anything. And I don't care what your beliefs are. But you seem to be obsessed with hate for Christianity for some reason.

So go ahead and have another meltdown.

But you will not shut me up.

Ever.

You may push women around at home but it ain't happening here without me saying something about it.

It's the new world order.

Get used to it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

What are you preaching and proselytizing about?

You're never going to convert me if that's what it's all about.

 

I've never made any claims about anything. And I don't care what your beliefs are. But you seem to be obsessed with hate for Christianity for some reason.

So go ahead and have another meltdown.

But you will not shut me up.

Ever.

You may push women around at home but it ain't happening here without me saying something about it.

It's the new world order.

Get used to it.

I'm not trying to convert you, just showing the folly of your ways. There's no way to convert a brainwashed person who's in a trance, into a person who actually thinks for himself. It's impossible unless the person wakes up from their stupor when they investigate the facts. And since you don't believe in facts, it's futile to convert you.

As long as you keep up with the cab things, I'll keep up with reminding you of how little your capacity is to think for yourself.

Keep it up, I got all night and all day and night tomorrow.

I will however take a break around 8:00 tonight because I start to drink my Heinekens and play my guitar to  many backtracks from different styles of music. The backtracks are great because it's a backtracking of bands without a lead guitar, to which I fill in.

I can have fun playing my guitar and forget about you and your dumb racist remarks for about 2 hours. Then I can come back and remind you again of your folly.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I'm not trying to convert you, just showing the folly of your ways. There's no way to convert a brainwashed person who's in a trance, into a person who actually thinks for himself. It's impossible unless the person wakes up from their stupor when they investigate the facts. And since you don't believe in facts, it's futile to convert you.

As long as you keep up with the cab things, I'll keep up with reminding you of how little your capacity is to think for yourself.

Keep it up, I got all night and all day and night tomorrow.

I will however take a break around 8:00 tonight because I start to drink my Heinekens and play my guitar to  many backtracks from different styles of music. The backtracks are great because it's a backtracking of bands without a lead guitar, to which I fill in.

I can have fun playing my guitar and forget about you and your dumb racist remarks for about 2 hours. Then I can come back and remind you again of your folly.

Yeah, I'll bet you're an expert musician.

Watch out the snake doesn't bite you when you open the basket, now.

 

Oh, and I'm not sure but I think they cut down your virgins from 72 to 29 if you drink alcohol. So think about that.

Just sayin...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, I'll bet you're an expert musician.

Watch out the snake doesn't bite you when you open the basket, now.

 

Oh, and I'm not sure but I think they cut down your virgins from 72 to 29 if you drink alcohol. So think about that.

Just sayin...

Now I know why you drink so much. You're a miserable Christian wannabe man. Did you have a miserable childhood?

Silly old hillbilly that drinks like a fish and calls himself a Christian....

Disapprove

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Now I know why you drink so much. You're a miserable Christian wannabe man. Did you have a miserable childhood?

Silly old hillbilly that drinks like a fish and calls himself a Christian....

Disapprove

This must be deja moo.

Cuz I'm pretty sure I've heard this bull before.

 

Nothing new?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

This must be deja moo.

Cuz I'm pretty sure I've heard this bull before.

 

Nothing new?

Yeah, I got somethng new. I just grew a new hair in my butt crack.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, I got somethng new. I just grew a new hair in my butt crack.

Who told you?

Nancy or truecricket?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

Here's another definition below.

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What is an Agnostic?

What
is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

Agnostic
Origins
The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
was introduced by Thomas
H. Huxley
, 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
of the Species
.” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

 

Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information.

the "authority" component.

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

once you cross that line philoshopically that God is "personal", you have to cross the line right then and there that God has standards over your life,  and therefore distinctive behavior "commandments",  and that's what riles your goat.

a Christian can talk about Christianity all day long.   but start to add the 'authority" aspect to the conversation,  and the anti crowd goes insane

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

other religions are merely "suggestions" on how to live a more pure moral based life, among other definitions.

Christianity isn't a "way of life"

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

it's that "component" you fight so hard against.

"lack of information" is nothing more than an intellectual cop out,  so you *think* you can recuse yourself from the authority of God over your life thingy.

besides being a intellectual cop out,  really it's about as dumb a statement as one human being can make.

if there is a God,  and He is responsible for the creation of billions of people,   your dumb statement that not one of those billions of people in history ever knew Him (based on "insufficient evidence"),  couldn't possible stand on it's own in the truth circle

that's as weak as it gets in explaining away God,  just so you can make up your own rules.

good old common sense slices that lame statement into billions of pieces when you pick truth over emotion,  and the truth based answer would be that God would not allow  billions of people to exist,  and then fall just short of a relationship with Him because well,   God is just not that good at feathering out information about Himself.

your statement equates to this,  that no one in history has ever known Him,  or known that things that are definitive in nature about Him.

if God exists,  that's a lie

that's a stupid,  lame statement.

you don't know personally speaking,  because you keep demonstrating you don't want to know,  not because there is a "lack of information".

your first move is always angst laden,  it isn't a "search".    it's seek and destroy,  and no one finds God ever that way.

it's your life,  and you can lie your way to the dirt nap there isn't "enough evidence",  or whatever other lame thing you can come up with,  so that you can convince yourself you don't "have to".

billions have known Him throughout history,  and untold millions know Him right now as i type this.

your "debate points" aren't even in the ballpark parking lot on the logical scale of history

there selfish, childish and downright rediculous

you are far more representative of a child that wants to do nothing but rebel,  and looks for ways to justify it

i have no problem you picking this path for your life,  but you can bet cab fare i won't stand by and allow you to get away with influencing people into intellectual oblivion.

"there isn't enough evidence".   thats a crock,  and reminds us all on how good you are with countering with your....

 "HARD EVIDENCE"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

dang,  at 10:01pm eastern time,  joker is going to come back and play his drunken version of stairway to heaven.

trouble is,  is angst will take over the demonic control of his guitar,  and it will end up sounding more like highway to hell sung by justin bieber.

i can't decide if i am looking forward to this,  or snot ...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information.

the "authority" component.

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

once you cross that line philoshopically that God is "personal", you have to cross the line right then and there that God has standards over your life,  and therefore distinctive behavior "commandments",  and that's what riles your goat.

a Christian can talk about Christianity all day long.   but start to add the 'authority" aspect to the conversation,  and the anti crowd goes insane

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

other religions are merely "suggestions" on how to live a more pure moral based life, among other definitions.

Christianity isn't a "way of life"

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

it's that "component" you fight so hard against.

"lack of information" is nothing more than an intellectual cop out,  so you *think* you can recuse yourself from the authority of God over your life thingy.

besides being a intellectual cop out,  really it's about as dumb a statement as one human being can make.

if there is a God,  and He is responsible for the creation of billions of people,   your dumb statement that not one of those billions of people in history ever knew Him (based on "insufficient evidence"),  couldn't possible stand on it's own in the truth circle

that's as weak as it gets in explaining away God,  just so you can make up your own rules.

good old common sense slices that lame statement into billions of pieces when you pick truth over emotion,  and the truth based answer would be that God would not allow  billions of people to exist,  and then fall just short of a relationship with Him because well,   God is just not that good at feathering out information about Himself.

your statement equates to this,  that no one in history has ever known Him,  or known that things that are definitive in nature about Him.

if God exists,  that's a lie

that's a stupid,  lame statement.

you don't know personally speaking,  because you keep demonstrating you don't want to know,  not because there is a "lack of information".

your first move is always angst laden,  it isn't a "search".    it's seek and destroy,  and no one finds God ever that way.

it's your life,  and you can lie your way to the dirt nap there isn't "enough evidence",  or whatever other lame thing you can come up with,  so that you can convince yourself you don't "have to".

billions have known Him throughout history,  and untold millions know Him right now as i type this.

your "debate points" aren't even in the ballpark parking lot on the logical scale of history

there selfish, childish and downright rediculous

you are far more representative of a child that wants to do nothing but rebel,  and looks for ways to justify it

i have no problem you picking this path for your life,  but you can bet cab fare i won't stand by and allow you to get away with influencing people into intellectual oblivion.

"there isn't enough evidence".   thats a crock,  and reminds us all on how good you are with countering with your....

 "HARD EVIDENCE"

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information

 

I don't suffer from anything. The information I've gathered points in the direction of NO EVIDENCE PERIOD ! You think you know all there is to know, but based on what you write, I feel you don't have a clue pertaining to subjectivity.

 

 

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

 

Wrong again. I would love to have a relationship with an almighty God. Only a fool would reject a bond with the creator. But unfortunately, no evidence exists. Believe it or not, I used to believe in the Christian faith. I really did. But then I realized that all the religions can't be right at the same time, so a red flag went up.

 

 

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

 

Oh c'mon, how many times have i wrote that it's organized religion, and not just Christianity. Get with the program already. Do you really believe I agree with the Muslim losers who blow up innocent people because they think they're gonna meet 72 virgins? You make me laugh sometimes. Don't you get it? It's right under your nose. Just about every religion claims to be the right one and has the most rediculous rules to enter heaven. Some of the rules make sense, like treat your fellow human being with love and all the good stuff. Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid. I can't beleive you don't see the contradictions. You just want to go on preaching about the specifics of one religion, when in order to get a feel for reality, one must see the BIG picture, and that's what you lack.

 

 

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

 

Just because you re-write something you've seen doesn't make it a fact. I wrote this, so it must be true. Your legitimacy filter sucks.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

joker's first intial was not out of line,  and my response to him was not either.

it was a rebuttal of his "just coincidence" assertion,  using the guy who this thread is dedicated to as example of what could happen should you allow God to be real,  instead of just excusing him away.

you took one thing and asserted that was an 'attack',  and that's an agenda lie.

there is not one hit of "chop" or sarcastic jerkitis in my response to jokers post.

i used joker's post to "teach" about the other side of the coin

if anything,  joker launched into his waiting in the wings tirade when he didn't like my "narrow" response,  in his very next post.

the difference,  despite even our history,  mine was respectful.

joker just wants to fight,  so.....he gets his wish

 

" That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post".

 ahhh,  the underhanded attempt at shutting down something you don't like or approve of,  and using the innocent kum by ya move.

i sure recognize that from 500 miles away when i smell it

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

dang,  at 10:01pm eastern time,  joker is going to come back and play his drunken version of stairway to heaven.

trouble is,  is angst will take over the demonic control of his guitar,  and it will end up sounding more like highway to hell sung by justin bieber.

i can't decide if i am looking forward to this,  or snot ...

I actually LOL'ed...lol

Green laugh

You see why I say I like you and Ridge. I'm sure you guys are nice guys just trying to get through this hectic world. It's just egos that separate our friendship. I'm guilty of it no doubt.

That was good Vision. it's a side i rarely see from you...

Jester

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 20, 2011

Somebody who calls himself "mccainisthrough" did the video so I'm sure it's not the least bit biased.

Libs are such an annoyance.

No offense Nancy, but effeminate men creep me out.

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

Great point. i wonder why I didn't think of this.

How did ridge determine Sam Harris as having a feminine trait, if he can't watch videos?

hmmmmm....something is fishy in Tennessee.....lol

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

Sorry Nancy, no offense, but you sound like a woman the way you write.

You know, all that touchy-feely crap.

Creepy.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Great point. i wonder why I didn't think of this.

How did ridge determine Sam Harris as having a feminine trait, if he can't watch videos?

hmmmmm....something is fishy in Tennessee.....lol

I didn't know he did but thanks for letting me know.

I was referring to Nancy.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information

 

I don't suffer from anything. The information I've gathered points in the direction of NO EVIDENCE PERIOD ! You think you know all there is to know, but based on what you write, I feel you don't have a clue pertaining to subjectivity.

 

 

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

 

Wrong again. I would love to have a relationship with an almighty God. Only a fool would reject a bond with the creator. But unfortunately, no evidence exists. Believe it or not, I used to believe in the Christian faith. I really did. But then I realized that all the religions can't be right at the same time, so a red flag went up.

 

 

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

 

Oh c'mon, how many times have i wrote that it's organized religion, and not just Christianity. Get with the program already. Do you really believe I agree with the Muslim losers who blow up innocent people because they think they're gonna meet 72 virgins? You make me laugh sometimes. Don't you get it? It's right under your nose. Just about every religion claims to be the right one and has the most rediculous rules to enter heaven. Some of the rules make sense, like treat your fellow human being with love and all the good stuff. Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid. I can't beleive you don't see the contradictions. You just want to go on preaching about the specifics of one religion, when in order to get a feel for reality, one must see the BIG picture, and that's what you lack.

 

 

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

 

Just because you re-write something you've seen doesn't make it a fact. I wrote this, so it must be true. Your legitimacy filter sucks.

"Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid".

 ok,  we will play the game your way,  but play it fast,  your not as "clear" after slugging heinekens.

so then,   since your personal dirt nap is fast approaching, maybe you can give all of us what the specific criteria is for entering heaven?

it has to be specific and perfectly equal to every human being for admission.

it's impossible to have a sliding scale measurement,  because that totally negates a level that's "just good enough".

sliding scales are subjective and untrustworthy.   no one would be able to tell where the definitive line begins or ends.

so,  in it's simplest form.....what's "good enough"?

you rail against the what you think are the "impossibilities" of this pursuit,  so with all your 'research',  you must have come across the exact standards that insure a residentcy in heaven.

if not,  your personally in a bad bad place,  because your guessing

remember,  anyone with half a brain about this knows if there is a God,  WE don't create the standards for residentcy.  God does.

your angst is arrogant enough to think you can.

well.......what's your "hard evidence"

you guys wanna bet he has no clue ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I didn't know he did but thanks for letting me know.

I was referring to Nancy.

Look, I was born at night, but not last night. I can go back and find where you were referring to the person in the video. I really can.

And so what If he is, which I disagree. It's the content that counts, not his sexuality. Boy, I swear, you always go around the facts and find supposed flaws in someone that has nothing to do with the subject. That kind of distraction shows me you are purposely avoiding the isuues.

But guess what, no matter how hard you try, you can't get around my FILTER. I can smell rotten fish a mile away.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

Ah, I see Nancy changed his avatar to female again.

That reminds me, I need to drop my truck off at the shop so they can do some work on the tranny

Might get a new CD player too.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

"Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid".

 ok,  we will play the game your way,  but play it fast,  your not as "clear" after slugging heinekens.

so then,   since your personal dirt nap is fast approaching, maybe you can give all of us what the specific criteria is for entering heaven?

it has to be specific and perfectly equal to every human being for admission.

it's impossible to have a sliding scale measurement,  because that totally negates a level that's "just good enough".

sliding scales are subjective and untrustworthy.   no one would be able to tell where the definitive line begins or ends.

so,  in it's simplest form.....what's "good enough"?

you rail against the what you think are the "impossibilities" of this pursuit,  so with all your 'research',  you must have come across the exact standards that insure a residentcy in heaven.

if not,  your personally in a bad bad place,  because your guessing

remember,  anyone with half a brain about this knows if there is a God,  WE don't create the standards for residentcy.  God does.

your angst is arrogant enough to think you can.

well.......what's your "hard evidence"

you guys wanna bet he has no clue ?

You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between.

I was simply making a point about the discrepencies between the claims of many many religions claiming to know the correct way to enter heaven.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I think I get your point finally.

You say we shouldn't believe the "ignorant old men" who wrote the Bible.

But we should believe some little Iranian cab driver. LOL

Have I got that right?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I think I get your point finally.

You say we shouldn't believe the "ignorant old men" who wrote the Bible.

But we should believe some little Iranian cab driver. LOL

Have I got that right?

Based on this, your last post, you REALLY need to watch this video.  Write down the URL and the next time you're in a library, watch it.  You'd better watch out for those male librarians though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

Based on this, your last post, you REALLY need to watch this video.  Write down the URL and the next time you're in a library, watch it.  You'd better watch out for those male librarians though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

"...watch out for those male librarians..."

Sounds like the voice of experience talking.

 

I'll take a pass on your video though.

Thanks anyway.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between.

I was simply making a point about the discrepencies between the claims of many many religions claiming to know the correct way to enter heaven.

i more than get it.

you rail against something you admittedly don't have any idea about,  and yet you attack those who feel they do.

none of that makes sense.

if you pounded 12 heinekens in a row tonight,  got up off the couch,  stumbled and was skewered by your headstock,  you have zero clue as to where the line is,  and if you have crossed it into "good enough land".

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't mean there aren't people who do know,  or who at least pretend they do.

and "those people" you need to leave well enough alone.

 

what i demonstrated again about you tonight,  is that as much trash as you talk about other peoples "beliefs",  when it comes time for your pontification,  you are deaftly silent.

i gave you a huge stage to pontificate the "just enough" speech. 

, decorated the halls with balloons,  and sent out world wide invitations,  and you couldn't offer squat on "what's enough".

until you can describe at least that at minimum,  shut your sound hole (a guitar reference),  and let others to thier beliefs

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I think I get your point finally.

You say we shouldn't believe the "ignorant old men" who wrote the Bible.

But we should believe some little Iranian cab driver. LOL

Have I got that right?

This cab driver has done his homework. You don't have to believe me, just realize there are different viewpoints. In my world, the pieces fit. I see the BIG picture. Take off those bliners and your peripheral vision will allow you to see a panorama.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

i more than get it.

you rail against something you admittedly don't have any idea about,  and yet you attack those who feel they do.

none of that makes sense.

if you pounded 12 heinekens in a row tonight,  got up off the couch,  stumbled and was skewered by your headstock,  you have zero clue as to where the line is,  and if you have crossed it into "good enough land".

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't mean there aren't people who do know,  or who at least pretend they do.

and "those people" you need to leave well enough alone.

 

what i demonstrated again about you tonight,  is that as much trash as you talk about other peoples "beliefs",  when it comes time for your pontification,  you are deaftly silent.

i gave you a huge stage to pontificate the "just enough" speech. 

, decorated the halls with balloons,  and sent out world wide invitations,  and you couldn't offer squat on "what's enough".

until you can describe at least that at minimum,  shut your sound hole (a guitar reference),  and let others to thier beliefs

I already answered your question. You asked me what was enough to enter heaven, and I said I don't believe in hell and heaven. What part don't you get?

You pretend to know. That's not my fault. Anyone can claim they know for sure. I claim I don't know for sure. What's so bad about that?  It shows I don't believe everything I hear or see. I do an investigation and look for anomolies. If it don't jive, I discount it. I have to draw the line somewhere.

Just because you claim you have a monopoly on truth doesn't make it so.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

This cab driver has done his homework. You don't have to believe me, just realize there are different viewpoints. In my world, the pieces fit. I see the BIG picture. Take off those bliners and your peripheral vision will allow you to see a panorama.

Done your homework?

What, you read some books?

And you believe them?

Where's the proof?

What about the carbon dating?

What about the galaxies and the light years?

 

 

I think your head is lined up with Uranus.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Done your homework?

What, you read some books?

And you believe them?

Where's the proof?

What about the carbon dating?

What about the galaxies and the light years?

 

 

I think your head is lined up with Uranus.

You've yet to answer such fundamental questions.

So convenient. You believe science when it benefits you, but when God is involved, science is just hokey pokey?

I get it....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You've yet to answer such fundamental questions.

So convenient. You believe science when it benefits you, but when God is involved, science is just hokey pokey?

I get it....

You should write one of those books too.

Get Nancy to back you up.

Become an author.

I'm sure Nancy will be right behind you all the way, thrusting your career forward.

joker17

Unknowingly, the person who always puts science down, doesn't realize that there's someone out there who's done their homework. I've heard this so many times it's funny.

They love their cars, TV's, blenders, space shuttle programs, GPS's, life saving cures, but when it intercedes with a scientific approach regarding the same scrutiny of a passing grade with God's existence, all of a sudden scientists are flakes.

How convenient.

How do we know that light travels at 186,000 miles per second....oh those crazy scientists.....PROVE IT TO ME.....They must have an agenda.....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between.

I was simply making a point about the discrepencies between the claims of many many religions claiming to know the correct way to enter heaven.

"You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between".

 i get that too,  because if you went that far,  then the "authority" aspect kicks in.

either way,  it's rediculous to think that God created us for just this life,  and then let the power of His creative end result slip thru His fingers,  only to allow the world to reduce itself to disarray and ultimate chaos.

poor God,  His God-like skills aren't very good.  whoops,  i am not very good at controlling what i made.  my B

if this life is all there is,  at some point God during the disgust of it all, God would wipe the slate clean,  and start over.    a "do-over",  until He got it right

he did a small scale geoGRAPHICal "do over" once before,  but just enough to keep his creation project up and running

if this life was all there is,  He would not have allowed His creation to act this wacked while handling it,  and sit and watch as humanity eventually totally obliterated itself,  and rob Him of His accomplishment

that would mean He is completely impersonal and disenfranchised,  and that isn't true.

there is an afterlife allright, it is the culmination of Gods original intent for creating us in the first place - for an unhindered relationship.

he has to have some sort of divided destination in order to accomplish that,  because let's face it,  there are a TON of people that hate Him,  and "they" won't be in His eternal prescence.

it doesn't matter what you believe now,  as much as what you believed prior to your beer and guitar taking your life

you won't be able to escape "hard evidence" then,  whatever that amounts to

even you know there is something beyond deadasadoornailfuneralhome.org

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

You win joker.

I give up.

I now believe you guys when you say your ancestors were monkeys.

There's no longer any doubt in my mind.

My condolences.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

(1)  you forgot to mention lottery post.    not cool

(2) aren't you supposed to be slugging heinekens right now ?

(3) 186,000 miles,  185,783miles, 187,777 miles a second ....who cares? 

God created the light instantaneously,  and gave stephen "i don't need god" hawking the breath of life

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

"You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between".

 i get that too,  because if you went that far,  then the "authority" aspect kicks in.

either way,  it's rediculous to think that God created us for just this life,  and then let the power of His creative end result slip thru His fingers,  only to allow the world to reduce itself to disarray and ultimate chaos.

poor God,  His God-like skills aren't very good.  whoops,  i am not very good at controlling what i made.  my B

if this life is all there is,  at some point God during the disgust of it all, God would wipe the slate clean,  and start over.    a "do-over",  until He got it right

he did a small scale geoGRAPHICal "do over" once before,  but just enough to keep his creation project up and running

if this life was all there is,  He would not have allowed His creation to act this wacked while handling it,  and sit and watch as humanity eventually totally obliterated itself,  and rob Him of His accomplishment

that would mean He is completely impersonal and disenfranchised,  and that isn't true.

there is an afterlife allright, it is the culmination of Gods original intent for creating us in the first place - for an unhindered relationship.

he has to have some sort of divided destination in order to accomplish that,  because let's face it,  there are a TON of people that hate Him,  and "they" won't be in His eternal prescence.

it doesn't matter what you believe now,  as much as what you believed prior to your beer and guitar taking your life

you won't be able to escape "hard evidence" then,  whatever that amounts to

even you know there is something beyond deadasadoornailfuneralhome.org

I read everythng you write, and you're always writing as if you know for sure. Example......"He does this and thinks that" "God does this and that"...."His intenition is this and that".

You only think you have a pipeline to God, but it's just a delusion.

You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

(1)  you forgot to mention lottery post.    not cool

(2) aren't you supposed to be slugging heinekens right now ?

(3) 186,000 miles,  185,783miles, 187,777 miles a second ....who cares? 

God created the light instantaneously,  and gave stephen "i don't need god" hawking the breath of life

God changed the law of physics temporarily to create the universe, but made it look like it took billions of years?

Yeah, God likes to create confusion.

It's not like humans are confused enough, let's confuse them even more..

That makes sense....you're right Vision....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

If you like Heineken you could save yourself some money by just buying Budweiser and letting it sit in the sun for a couple years till it goes skunky.

Tastes exactly like Heineken. Puke

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

You win joker.

I give up.

I now believe you guys when you say your ancestors were monkeys.

There's no longer any doubt in my mind.

My condolences.

I just called my monkey's uncle and he agreed with me.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I just called my monkey's uncle and he agreed with me.

See, I knew you were.

How about a banana?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

If you like Heineken you could save yourself some money by just buying Budweiser and letting it sit in the sun for a couple years till it goes skunky.

Tastes exactly like Heineken. Puke

Oh no you didn't....

I used to hate Heineken years ago because of the bold after taste, but then I realized that you get what you pay for. There's no hangover in the morning, well, maybe a little haze, but nothing like drinking Budcrapper.

I can't believe I drank that bud stuff for years. I must've been nuts.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Oh no you didn't....

I used to hate Heineken years ago because of the bold after taste, but then I realized that you get what you pay for. There's no hangover in the morning, well, maybe a little haze, but nothing like drinking Budcrapper.

I can't believe I drank that bud stuff for years. I must've been nuts.

Yeah, it's true.

Let some Bud go a month or two past it's expiration date and it tastes exactly like Heineken.

Even has that same puke smell that Heineken has.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, it's true.

Let some Bud go a month or two past it's expiration date and it tastes exactly like Heineken.

Even has that same puke smell that Heineken has.

Ok...

That's the most expensive puke I've ever bought.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

of course i know for sure.

on exactly every little tiny nuance in life,  heck no,  no one does.

but on issues where God has made Himself plain,  who He is and what He demands of His creation, you bet i know.

you keep coming from the angle that no one knows,  therefore no one could possibly speak with any authority on the subject matter.

remember,  for you to hold to that position, no one in the billions of people born "ever knew".

and yet you make the most hypocritical statement when you say you believe there "could be" a God.

you either don't even know what you believe about that,  or you do,  and it is your acting job of selling yourself in here as a "seeker"

seekers give a full wide path to the possibility,  and when you make the asertion that no one could possibly know, you give a window into your true motivation.

it isn't arrogant for someone to say they do know on things that are definitive,  it's when they attempt to sell the notion they know EVERYTHING.

i never have. 

while i do know alot,  and i am cemented in the assertion of what i do know,  still i am no different than anyone else who is still learning about God,  and what He desires.

but i want to know,  and i have zero problem with the authority attachment to knowing,  and that's why and how i can know.

when someone like you fights the initial authority aspect,   you will never know,  until you get over that.

******************************************************************************************

"You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously".

 i never answer you,  to answer you.....i use you to "teach".

i answer you only to handle my business vs what i claim.   i don't pretend to think what i say to you sways you past your angst.    your fully entrenched in that.

"i answer you" , because my integrity demands it of me,  and that has zero to do with you

it's painfully obvious you don't deserve credibility "seriousness" when you just lied again.

i answered your question,  but again it's your waek defense,  because now i have you in another corner where you couldn't handle the "what's the definitive line" arguement.

our exchanges are archived ,  and your the one that continually skates when challenged with something.

you lied again.     i guess you HAVE started drinking

joker17

Look who's talking. You drink JD...Puke

I bought a bottle about 2 or 3 months ago and I almost dieded from shock...lol

That stuff is poison.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

of course i know for sure.

on exactly every little tiny nuance in life,  heck no,  no one does.

but on issues where God has made Himself plain,  who He is and what He demands of His creation, you bet i know.

you keep coming from the angle that no one knows,  therefore no one could possibly speak with any authority on the subject matter.

remember,  for you to hold to that position, no one in the billions of people born "ever knew".

and yet you make the most hypocritical statement when you say you believe there "could be" a God.

you either don't even know what you believe about that,  or you do,  and it is your acting job of selling yourself in here as a "seeker"

seekers give a full wide path to the possibility,  and when you make the asertion that no one could possibly know, you give a window into your true motivation.

it isn't arrogant for someone to say they do know on things that are definitive,  it's when they attempt to sell the notion they know EVERYTHING.

i never have. 

while i do know alot,  and i am cemented in the assertion of what i do know,  still i am no different than anyone else who is still learning about God,  and what He desires.

but i want to know,  and i have zero problem with the authority attachment to knowing,  and that's why and how i can know.

when someone like you fights the initial authority aspect,   you will never know,  until you get over that.

******************************************************************************************

"You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously".

 i never answer you,  to answer you.....i use you to "teach".

i answer you only to handle my business vs what i claim.   i don't pretend to think what i say to you sways you past your angst.    your fully entrenched in that.

"i answer you" , because my integrity demands it of me,  and that has zero to do with you

it's painfully obvious you don't deserve credibility "seriousness" when you just lied again.

i answered your question,  but again it's your waek defense,  because now i have you in another corner where you couldn't handle the "what's the definitive line" arguement.

our exchanges are archived ,  and your the one that continually skates when challenged with something.

you lied again.     i guess you HAVE started drinking

Thank God.

Maybe he sent you to wake me up.

I appreciate your diligence.  You may have truly saved my soul fom eternal dam-nashion.

I'm just gonna treat everyone on this thread with respect, love, and selflishlessness....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Look who's talking. You drink JD...Puke

I bought a bottle about 2 or 3 months ago and I almost dieded from shock...lol

That stuff is poison.

Some people gotta ease up on Jack.

Try it with Coke on the rocks first, then with water on the rocks, then just on the rocks, then straight, and in no time you'll realize there ain't too many things in the world better than Jack.

It's a Rite of Passage in Tennessee.

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visiondude

There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

now THAT'S a fact.

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

"billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

there are "geologists" in eternity

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Some people gotta ease up on Jack.

Try it with Coke on the rocks first, then with water on the rocks, then just on the rocks, then straight, and in no time you'll realize there ain't too many things in the world better than Jack.

It's a Rite of Passage in Tennessee.

Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

What type of rocks should I use?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

What type of rocks should I use?

i am waiting for stack the thread police to come and issue you guys a ticket.....lol

hey stack,  do you only pick things you don't like ?

nah,  that can't be true

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

now THAT'S a fact.

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

"billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

there are "geologists" in eternity

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

You see, you keep inferring God into the picture as If it was 100% true. So because you wrote it in a public forum doesn't make it true.

 

 

 

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

 

You're right... But only If a God exists.

So he's well aware that in the future that scientists would scratch their heads in wonder on how galaxies are billions of light years old, but according to the Bible it's only a few thousand years old, thus purposely confusin his creation, fooling him....why?...Does this even make any sense to you? Let's create man and then send him curve balls so hard that his head is gonna spin for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like a plan !

LOONEY TUNES MAN !

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

What type of rocks should I use?

Cleveland.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude

There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

I already know what the whole France thing is all about.

Just tap your heels three times and close your eyes really tight...lol

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Cleveland.

Ian Hunter was a genius.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude

There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened to me,  aand in every instance,  it has come to pass.

the difference in this is it isn't specific as far as God has not told me definitively what it is about.

i have a suspicion what it is,  and i can prove that. 

i blocked out a couple of things on my first journal entry of aug 2008 that contianed information of what i think it might be.

sometimes God is specific,  like he was in the other times He told me He was going to do something,  and then did it.

this time He is purposefully vague,  and that is 100% congruent with Gods decisin making at times,  preferring that He tells us only "so much",  so that we will trust Him for the rest.

it's like an insurance policy that God takes out on us.   telling us "just enough" so that insures a tight bond for the duration of the event.

if He told me all i needed to know now (what it is),   maybe i wouldn't place as much emphasis on it via anticipation.

been a Christian for 30+ years,  and i know and trust whatever "methodology" God decides to deal out the cards.

it will stop someday,  and when it does,  i am good with the reason all up and down the scale.

who knows if He did it just for my benefit?

the longer i live,  the more i know about why God chooses to do the things the way He chooses to do them,  the more i realize He does things in and around my life that sometimes aren't for my benefit.

let's say it stops tomorrow (because today it's already happened),  just the observance of the fact that it did happen by anyone watching,  they would have to reconcile how that could happen, and make it decision as to it's origin.

it is possible it is not for me,  but thru me. 

i happen to think i will be the benefactor of it,  and others peripherally will be encouraged in their walk with God via the observance thereof.

all my responsibility is to do my part,  whatever that is for the moment,  and i am.

when the times comes,  and it is about me,  i will do that.

remember,  what i "think" it is,  is archived in my aug 2008.   that part IS a guess.

that would be really weird if it went for 3 years,  stopped one day,  then started again.

that would cause an "uh hum" moment,  and i would naturally wonder why,  but i don't concern myself with killing myself in the pursuit of always having to know why. 

 i won't.   no one always does.  somewhere God is being God and won't give an explnantion as to "why".

maybe that "why" is apparent to me,  but meant something to someone else.

what affords me fluidity in these situations is not blind stupidity "faith",  but one that trusts no matter what.

i am perfectly ensconced with what i do know,  and perfectly fine with what i don't know

as of this conversation,  my sig flag is still flying at full staff

as much as i know God,  as thrilled as i am about being a part of this,  i am still human,  and i want to know myself.

joker17

I put off playing guitar tonight. I have a few videos of me playing, so I'll watch them later. It works just as well.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I put off playing guitar tonight. I have a few videos of me playing, so I'll watch them later. It works just as well.

Do you have a mirror set up so you can watch yourself watching yourself?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened to me,  aand in every instance,  it has come to pass.

the difference in this is it isn't specific as far as God has not told me definitively what it is about.

i have a suspicion what it is,  and i can prove that. 

i blocked out a couple of things on my first journal entry of aug 2008 that contianed information of what i think it might be.

sometimes God is specific,  like he was in the other times He told me He was going to do something,  and then did it.

this time He is purposefully vague,  and that is 100% congruent with Gods decisin making at times,  preferring that He tells us only "so much",  so that we will trust Him for the rest.

it's like an insurance policy that God takes out on us.   telling us "just enough" so that insures a tight bond for the duration of the event.

if He told me all i needed to know now (what it is),   maybe i wouldn't place as much emphasis on it via anticipation.

been a Christian for 30+ years,  and i know and trust whatever "methodology" God decides to deal out the cards.

it will stop someday,  and when it does,  i am good with the reason all up and down the scale.

who knows if He did it just for my benefit?

the longer i live,  the more i know about why God chooses to do the things the way He chooses to do them,  the more i realize He does things in and around my life that sometimes aren't for my benefit.

let's say it stops tomorrow (because today it's already happened),  just the observance of the fact that it did happen by anyone watching,  they would have to reconcile how that could happen, and make it decision as to it's origin.

it is possible it is not for me,  but thru me. 

i happen to think i will be the benefactor of it,  and others peripherally will be encouraged in their walk with God via the observance thereof.

all my responsibility is to do my part,  whatever that is for the moment,  and i am.

when the times comes,  and it is about me,  i will do that.

remember,  what i "think" it is,  is archived in my aug 2008.   that part IS a guess.

that would be really weird if it went for 3 years,  stopped one day,  then started again.

that would cause an "uh hum" moment,  and i would naturally wonder why,  but i don't concern myself with killing myself in the pursuit of always having to know why. 

 i won't.   no one always does.  somewhere God is being God and won't give an explnantion as to "why".

maybe that "why" is apparent to me,  but meant something to someone else.

what affords me fluidity in these situations is not blind stupidity "faith",  but one that trusts no matter what.

i am perfectly ensconced with what i do know,  and perfectly fine with what i don't know

as of this conversation,  my sig flag is still flying at full staff

as much as i know God,  as thrilled as i am about being a part of this,  i am still human,  and i want to know myself.

OK, I was just curious. Nothing more.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

You see, you keep inferring God into the picture as If it was 100% true. So because you wrote it in a public forum doesn't make it true.

 

 

 

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

 

You're right... But only If a God exists.

So he's well aware that in the future that scientists would scratch their heads in wonder on how galaxies are billions of light years old, but according to the Bible it's only a few thousand years old, thus purposely confusin his creation, fooling him....why?...Does this even make any sense to you? Let's create man and then send him curve balls so hard that his head is gonna spin for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like a plan !

LOONEY TUNES MAN !

sure it does,  has nothing to do whatsoever with "confusion".

you keep running to science as a "fact giver",  not ever weighing the God side of things.

if you can't admit that most scientists ditch God purposefully out of the equation,  and therefore are agenda inclined to distance themselves from creationism possumbility,  then you can't be trusted for all things factually weighed.

true science can only be weighed sans agenda.       let the true facts fall where they may,  see where the dust settles

there is no hard evidence the worlds "billions of years old",   that's pure scientific hypothesis with no concrete (pun intended) evidence.

a guess

and even more important that it's nothing BUT  a guess,  the "guess" keeps changing.

facts don't "change" joker,  and science can't even agree on a ballpark guess, let alone an exact figure.

ask one scientist,  and he throws out the largest number that will insure him a guest spot on scientific american

ask another one,  and if his ego surpasses joe rockhead,  he will tack on another billion for kicks and giggles.

shoot,   all you need to know is these "scientific geniouses" are good at,  is to keep punching thier addition button on their calcuhaters.

i know you can't think straight,  so this next fact about "science" isn't for you,  but doesn't it even make you consider throwing your scienterrific american collection away in favor of provable biblical history,  when "science" first threw out thier "guesses" in the millions column,  and now it's grown into the "billions"

 

that in and of itself is an intellectual joke. 

 it's millions.   no,  it's BILLIONS.    we must be just around the corner from godzillababillions

"guesses" aren't facts,   and "guesses" are responsible for confusion Crazy

between the two,  creationism is more trustworthy just because the "facts" never evolve or change.

creationism "dating" on the other hand has remained  steady throughout the recordation of their history

 

once again you tell everyone you want to know God,  but then you turn around and your always next move is to "explain" God right out of the equation.    it's a crock you want to know Him

 

God will throw "curveballs" at humanity at times for sure.

i think it's an awesome attribute that He does,  to teach people their own stupidity at mocking Him

the monkey.   man was that ever an ingenious "curveball"

so many people still act like one,  it really blurs the line sometimes

well,  that and purple pumperknickle pageant donkeys 

 

just cuz some god-hating dweeb in the middle of the desert in the midst of heat exhaustion picks up a multi layered rock, and  wants to eclipse his buddies in dorm room 104,   doesn't mean it's "true".

you just run to it,  and make it true,  because it ditches God out of the equation

i just kicked rocks over your science.   just moving 100 years in either direction constitues a guess.

moving from millions to billions without conscience shows they are lying

you trust something that's ever evolving and changing,   and i am too smart to EVER trust that.

especially as it pertains to things with an eternal weight attached to it

quite frankly,  i could CARE LESS how old the earth is,  because i KNOW who created it

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

It makes sense to me really, that someone whose judgement is so bad that he would drink Heineken and think it's good beer, would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey. And sadly, exclusively in his own case, I think he may be right.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Gee, I think this thread increased by 9 pages yesterday, June 22nd.

46 pages, when is it going to be Miller time?

 

Anyone recognize this smilie?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

what happened to joker.

after i made the austin powers reminiscent "leap" from  *millions*     to  billions,  he left the science lab.

you can't even begin to hope that heineken could fill in that wide of an explanation gap...

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Done your homework?

What, you read some books?

And you believe them?

Where's the proof?

What about the carbon dating?

What about the galaxies and the light years?

 

 

I think your head is lined up with Uranus.

rdgrnr

I can't get past the chicken or the egg paradox,  but I like my eggs over easy and my chicken

soaked in bourbon. 

RL

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 23, 2011

Gee, I think this thread increased by 9 pages yesterday, June 22nd.

46 pages, when is it going to be Miller time?

 

Anyone recognize this smilie?

Yeah, I've seen more useful ones closed hundreds of replies sooner. Roll Eyes

I wonder if this one is being used to illustrate some sort of point -- like those before and after meth ads.

CARBOB

Does anyone think , maybe this person was not really an "atheist", to begin with????

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Jun 23, 2011

Yeah, I've seen more useful ones closed hundreds of replies sooner. Roll Eyes

I wonder if this one is being used to illustrate some sort of point -- like those before and after meth ads.

This one must be waiting for the hand of God to close it - it will be the final proof for all non-believers!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 23, 2011

rdgrnr

I can't get past the chicken or the egg paradox,  but I like my eggs over easy and my chicken

soaked in bourbon. 

RL

Sounds like my kinda breakfast, brother!  Thumbs Up

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jun 23, 2011

Does anyone think , maybe this person was not really an "atheist", to begin with????

You're probably right CARBOB.

What better way for him to get his 15 minutes of fame?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 23, 2011

This one must be waiting for the hand of God to close it - it will be the final proof for all non-believers!

I hope I don't make you cry again Princess, but let's face it, your agenda is clear.

Being a typical lib and atheist, you want any opposing viewpoints censored and any voices of opposition muzzled.

The only side you want heard is yours.

You've already made that exceedingly clear.

Let's not kid each other.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Jun 23, 2011

Yeah, I've seen more useful ones closed hundreds of replies sooner. Roll Eyes

I wonder if this one is being used to illustrate some sort of point -- like those before and after meth ads.

What I wonder is why you keep reading it if it bothers you so much that you want it locked down.   Crazy

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

I hope I don't make you cry again Princess, but let's face it, your agenda is clear.

Being a typical lib and atheist, you want any opposing viewpoints censored and any voices of opposition muzzled.

The only side you want heard is yours.

You've already made that exceedingly clear.

Let's not kid each other.

You must be under the influence of Jack already - don't read my posts if they bother you.

You definitely are wrong about your conclusions of what I post.  Time and time again!  You are the only one bullying everyone else - I think THE ONLY SIDE YOU WANT HEARD IS YOURS!

To his credit not even visiondude is as offensive as your remarks. 

Even when you are corrected you continue to post lies about people.   Stop blowing these things out your azz and actually read what people post.  I suppose you think people will believe the crap you post if you repeat it long enough?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 23, 2011

You must be under the influence of Jack already - don't read my posts if they bother you.

You definitely are wrong about your conclusions of what I post.  Time and time again!  You are the only one bullying everyone else - I think THE ONLY SIDE YOU WANT HEARD IS YOURS!

To his credit not even visiondude is as offensive as your remarks. 

Even when you are corrected you continue to post lies about people.   Stop blowing these things out your azz and actually read what people post.  I suppose you think people will believe the crap you post if you repeat it long enough?

Check yourself leopard - your spots are showing.

Who is it that wants to shut people up?

Me or you?

And please don't cry, you'll ruin your Mascara.

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

What I wonder is why you keep reading it if it bothers you so much that you want it locked down.   Crazy

Not claiming to want it locked, just noting its longevity.

JAP69's avatarJAP69

Debating religion is like debating politics.

I will continue on forever.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on Jun 23, 2011

Debating religion is like debating politics.

I will continue on forever.

not "forever"

inevitably speaking,  at some point it will end,  and individually speaking,  it most assuredly will end Wink

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

It makes sense to me really, that someone whose judgement is so bad that he would drink Heineken and think it's good beer, would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey. And sadly, exclusively in his own case, I think he may be right.

I actually believe that aliens grafted their DNA with apes a long time a go, and that's how humans came to be.

It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

What I wonder is why you keep reading it if it bothers you so much that you want it locked down.   Crazy

i was reading from the last post backwards,  and i was just about to say the same thing.

people "whine" about content, longevity,  whatever, but read every last post in the thread.

redic

if it's so "offensive" on whatever level,  why do they read all of it then ?

truth is,  unless there is "God" mentioned in the thread,  not one of these people ever complain in the same fashion in any other thread,  no matter how long it goes on,  no matter how off topic it goes.

they never say a word

in here,  they abhor the content,  so they take a swipe at it,  while reading every bit of it.

that makes total sense

(laughing)

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I actually believe that aliens grafted their DNA with apes a long time a go, and that's how humans came to be.

It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps.

i would ask you for "hard evidence" on that one,  but knowing how your mind works,  and your proclivity for posting out of this world vid's,  you would go find a photoshopped vid of an alien humping a monkey,  and call that "proof"

look,  you can't drink enough heinekens to convince the guard at area 51 to do a DNA test on their rubber alien,  so you have no way of fleshing out your out of this world (literally) hypothesis.

plenty of zoo's across america to cull a good specimen of a monkey for DNA though,  but your missing a link

 

so,  you demand "proof" all the time.

no comment on the i gotcha moment i provided with "science" moving from millions to billions?

you whined and complained (and lied) to the board i wouldn't answer your question,  and now that i kicked a hundred year old dirt over it,  all of a sudden you have nothing to say?

this is what i mean,  you just spray. 

i have to go to work,  so make sure you handle stuff you start,  and finish off my truth about guessing "science"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I actually believe that aliens grafted their DNA with apes a long time a go, and that's how humans came to be.

It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps.

"It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps".

 like i said,  God did it on purpose.

His little "curveball" to fat headed mankind

genious

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

i would ask you for "hard evidence" on that one,  but knowing how your mind works,  and your proclivity for posting out of this world vid's,  you would go find a photoshopped vid of an alien humping a monkey,  and call that "proof"

look,  you can't drink enough heinekens to convince the guard at area 51 to do a DNA test on their rubber alien,  so you have no way of fleshing out your out of this world (literally) hypothesis.

plenty of zoo's across america to cull a good specimen of a monkey for DNA though,  but your missing a link

 

so,  you demand "proof" all the time.

no comment on the i gotcha moment i provided with "science" moving from millions to billions?

you whined and complained (and lied) to the board i wouldn't answer your question,  and now that i kicked a hundred year old dirt over it,  all of a sudden you have nothing to say?

this is what i mean,  you just spray. 

i have to go to work,  so make sure you handle stuff you start,  and finish off my truth about guessing "science"

All I can say is that you're cluless about science. I'm not gonna repeat everything I write. Re-read it and it may soak in, but I highly doubt it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

"It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps".

 like i said,  God did it on purpose.

His little "curveball" to fat headed mankind

genious

Of course God did it. How do I know this?...because Vision said so. So it must be true....Lunatics are everywhere...

joker17

Humans being an alien hybrid is just my opinion. Not everything I write on LP is a fact. But when I specifically write fact, then you know. But I do have opinions about certain things based on info I've learned, which you won't accept anyways, so why bother?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jun 23, 2011

Does anyone think , maybe this person was not really an "atheist", to begin with????

Or he made up the story after his Mother won $1 million.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

now THAT'S a fact.

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

"billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

there are "geologists" in eternity

science is a dizzying sport,

 

To you it must be because it requires critical thinking, which you lack greatly.

 

 

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

 

This proves what I wrote earlier. The fact you don't know squat about what science is. If you had a clue you'd realize that the whole purpose of science is to upgrade with new knowledge found. It's designed to improve when more FACTS are learned about whatever subject is at hand. The word "science' means 'The study of", so it's always breaking new ground. 

Everytime you write stuff here you make yourself dumber and dumber. Stop it before you make it worse than it is.

 

 

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

Oh really, so I guess every technoloical improvement that affects your daily life is just by pure luck and lucky guesses? You are so full of crap it literraly stinks in here. Only a moron would say something like that.

Your television, washing machine, stove, electric razor, computer, dishwasher, shuttle launch, and every other contraption in your house or car was derived from science.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? Even though it's been proven in a lab, and they've also been able to slow down light to 24 miles per hour. I guess it's only a lucky geuss that we know for a FACT that it takes 8 and half minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun?

I guess it's only a lucky guess that Jarvick produced a mechanical heart so people can live longer?

I'm just curious what you'd say If God forbid something bad would happen to you and your lying in the emergency room while a doctor uses an intrument designed by scientists to have life saving surgery done on you.

Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform. What a load of crap Vision. Get with the program.

 

 

 

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

 

Yup...that's right. because it was written in a book by different authors thousands of years ago, it must be true. Bunch of old fools who didn't have a clue about their world making things up to control the masses.

Like i said earlier, you have ABSOLUTELY no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. You rely everything realted to the universe on a book despite hundreds of thousands of individual evidence parts showing it to be wrong.

You don't give two hoots about evidence because even when it's presented, you use convoluted logic to explain it away. That's what happens to be people who are brainwashed like you are. They're so entrenched in their belief system even though there's not one shred of proof, that they discount everything else. It'll shatter their precious little comfort zone. Too bad so many people in this earth still need a teddy bear or a safety blanket to hold on to. What a shame. A bunch of backward mentality humans still believe in old wives tales. SHAME SHAME SHAME....!

 

 

 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

 

I see, so this is how you judge a person. tells a lot about a lame human like you. So because he used to be able to walk when he was younger and then aquired a disease, makes him not worthy of his brain power? You are such a fool.

Hawking has more intelligence and cpacity than you and I will ever dream of. And If I compared him to you, which you shouldn't be allowed the privilege of saying his name, he has more brain power in his snot than you have in your entire brain, which is dysfunctional at best. What nerve, picking on a guy because of a disease he has no control over. You ar a sick and twisted individual.

 

 

 

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

 

More unfounded claims that you can't backup. God did this and God did that, as If you know for sure. DELUSIONAL....

 

Maybe you should read some books other than the Bible. It's rotting your brain very quickly.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,

 

To you it must be because it requires critical thinking, which you lack greatly.

 

 

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

 

This proves what I wrote earlier. The fact you don't know squat about what science is. If you had a clue you'd realize that the whole purpose of science is to upgrade with new knowledge found. It's designed to improve when more FACTS are learned about whatever subject is at hand. The word "science' means 'The study of", so it's always breaking new ground. 

Everytime you write stuff here you make yourself dumber and dumber. Stop it before you make it worse than it is.

 

 

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

Oh really, so I guess every technoloical improvement that affects your daily life is just by pure luck and lucky guesses? You are so full of crap it literraly stinks in here. Only a moron would say something like that.

Your television, washing machine, stove, electric razor, computer, dishwasher, shuttle launch, and every other contraption in your house or car was derived from science.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? Even though it's been proven in a lab, and they've also been able to slow down light to 24 miles per hour. I guess it's only a lucky geuss that we know for a FACT that it takes 8 and half minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun?

I guess it's only a lucky guess that Jarvick produced a mechanical heart so people can live longer?

I'm just curious what you'd say If God forbid something bad would happen to you and your lying in the emergency room while a doctor uses an intrument designed by scientists to have life saving surgery done on you.

Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform. What a load of crap Vision. Get with the program.

 

 

 

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

 

Yup...that's right. because it was written in a book by different authors thousands of years ago, it must be true. Bunch of old fools who didn't have a clue about their world making things up to control the masses.

Like i said earlier, you have ABSOLUTELY no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. You rely everything realted to the universe on a book despite hundreds of thousands of individual evidence parts showing it to be wrong.

You don't give two hoots about evidence because even when it's presented, you use convoluted logic to explain it away. That's what happens to be people who are brainwashed like you are. They're so entrenched in their belief system even though there's not one shred of proof, that they discount everything else. It'll shatter their precious little comfort zone. Too bad so many people in this earth still need a teddy bear or a safety blanket to hold on to. What a shame. A bunch of backward mentality humans still believe in old wives tales. SHAME SHAME SHAME....!

 

 

 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

 

I see, so this is how you judge a person. tells a lot about a lame human like you. So because he used to be able to walk when he was younger and then aquired a disease, makes him not worthy of his brain power? You are such a fool.

Hawking has more intelligence and cpacity than you and I will ever dream of. And If I compared him to you, which you shouldn't be allowed the privilege of saying his name, he has more brain power in his snot than you have in your entire brain, which is dysfunctional at best. What nerve, picking on a guy because of a disease he has no control over. You ar a sick and twisted individual.

 

 

 

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

 

More unfounded claims that you can't backup. God did this and God did that, as If you know for sure. DELUSIONAL....

 

Maybe you should read some books other than the Bible. It's rotting your brain very quickly.

"I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second?  "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth 

"Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform."

Not all Christians believe the Earth and Universe were created just 8000 years ago and they don't waste their time debating those who do believe it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

"I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second?  "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth 

"Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform."

Not all Christians believe the Earth and Universe were created just 8000 years ago and they don't waste their time debating those who do believe it.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth

 

 

 

Thanx for the info, but I already know this. Hopefully Vision will put his glasses on and read this. But of course he'll just say that the scientists are making all that up.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

It makes sense to me really, that someone whose judgement is so bad that he would drink Heineken and think it's good beer, would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey. And sadly, exclusively in his own case, I think he may be right.

I really hoped that someone else would correct your repeated error but when you said, "...someone...would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey," I couldn't wait any longer.

"Monkeys" are contemporary to humans, living right alongside of us.  They are NOT our ancestors!  What [maybe not you but] we know from the evidence of evolution is that humans and monkeys have a

COMMON ANCESTOR.

Got it?

four4me

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?

like I don't mind, don't talk trash, and try and shut something down,  and then your hypocritical about it,  and  you add your .03 to it when it suits you.

he isn't the only one that plays these integrity slippages in these threads

Only when it suits them....

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

Now, if I could just get my ~7 billion cousins to spot me about $10 bucks for a couple weeks. Clown

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 23, 2011

I really hoped that someone else would correct your repeated error but when you said, "...someone...would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey," I couldn't wait any longer.

"Monkeys" are contemporary to humans, living right alongside of us.  They are NOT our ancestors!  What [maybe not you but] we know from the evidence of evolution is that humans and monkeys have a

COMMON ANCESTOR.

Got it?

LOL Oh, Nancy, Nancy, Nancy... What am I gonna do with you? You should really stick with decorating tips and stuff like that. Didn't you read what your leader said? He said his little green spacemen came down here in their spaceship and mixed with the monkeys and that's how you, him and truecricket came to be! He's gonna be mad at you now for saying he's a big dummy!

I love the way you crackpots want proof for everything in the Bible but when it comes to the nonsense of evolution you have no need for it whatsoever. There would need to be far more miracles performed for evolution to have taken place than those you mock in the Bible. Where's the missing link, Nancy? Without that the whole theory is a hoax, a fraud and a scam!

But you believe it anyway.

Why?

Because you want it to be true.

You want oh so desperately for it to be true. 

 

But more importantly, Nancy, you've created a schism in your ranks.

You have gone against your leader.

If he says you and he and truecricket are monkeys, then you are monkeys!

You're a bad monkey, Nancy! Bad! No No

No banana for you, Nancy!

four4me
he isn't the only one that plays these integrity slippages in these threads
I resemble that remark
 
I put Spencer Wells journey of man in a couple of these turned around Jesus freak threads and got no response from you.
 
 
So are you thinking/saying the science of DNA is a lie too.
visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,

 

To you it must be because it requires critical thinking, which you lack greatly.

 

 

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

 

This proves what I wrote earlier. The fact you don't know squat about what science is. If you had a clue you'd realize that the whole purpose of science is to upgrade with new knowledge found. It's designed to improve when more FACTS are learned about whatever subject is at hand. The word "science' means 'The study of", so it's always breaking new ground. 

Everytime you write stuff here you make yourself dumber and dumber. Stop it before you make it worse than it is.

 

 

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

Oh really, so I guess every technoloical improvement that affects your daily life is just by pure luck and lucky guesses? You are so full of crap it literraly stinks in here. Only a moron would say something like that.

Your television, washing machine, stove, electric razor, computer, dishwasher, shuttle launch, and every other contraption in your house or car was derived from science.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? Even though it's been proven in a lab, and they've also been able to slow down light to 24 miles per hour. I guess it's only a lucky geuss that we know for a FACT that it takes 8 and half minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun?

I guess it's only a lucky guess that Jarvick produced a mechanical heart so people can live longer?

I'm just curious what you'd say If God forbid something bad would happen to you and your lying in the emergency room while a doctor uses an intrument designed by scientists to have life saving surgery done on you.

Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform. What a load of crap Vision. Get with the program.

 

 

 

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

 

Yup...that's right. because it was written in a book by different authors thousands of years ago, it must be true. Bunch of old fools who didn't have a clue about their world making things up to control the masses.

Like i said earlier, you have ABSOLUTELY no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. You rely everything realted to the universe on a book despite hundreds of thousands of individual evidence parts showing it to be wrong.

You don't give two hoots about evidence because even when it's presented, you use convoluted logic to explain it away. That's what happens to be people who are brainwashed like you are. They're so entrenched in their belief system even though there's not one shred of proof, that they discount everything else. It'll shatter their precious little comfort zone. Too bad so many people in this earth still need a teddy bear or a safety blanket to hold on to. What a shame. A bunch of backward mentality humans still believe in old wives tales. SHAME SHAME SHAME....!

 

 

 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

 

I see, so this is how you judge a person. tells a lot about a lame human like you. So because he used to be able to walk when he was younger and then aquired a disease, makes him not worthy of his brain power? You are such a fool.

Hawking has more intelligence and cpacity than you and I will ever dream of. And If I compared him to you, which you shouldn't be allowed the privilege of saying his name, he has more brain power in his snot than you have in your entire brain, which is dysfunctional at best. What nerve, picking on a guy because of a disease he has no control over. You ar a sick and twisted individual.

 

 

 

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

 

More unfounded claims that you can't backup. God did this and God did that, as If you know for sure. DELUSIONAL....

 

Maybe you should read some books other than the Bible. It's rotting your brain very quickly.

instaed of highlighting every sentence of yours, i will address the high notes,  or the "low notes" via true history.

"critical thinking' demands i pick facts over wishful thinking agenda driven "facts",  and what i said about the aspect of science we were talking about,  was true. 

as usual,  you <snip>ized what i did mean,  and turned into something completely ugly.

of course the biblical record favors science.

science is awesome,  and "science" HAS gifted humanity with many an advantageous commodity.

but what you opened with is NOT "truth",  it's ever changing / evolving fiction based in agenda and sold to who will ever but it as "truth".   

in this arena of science,  scientists who dis-favor creationism NEVER say that thier findings are "in flux",  it's "not an exact science",  "it's a ballpark estimate",  on and on and on.   those guy ALWAYS sell it as "fact",  and that's agenda based garbage.

go ahead,  and trust people who willfully lie because the WANT it to be true,  but no one can escape that "millions to billions" leap these guys make without a conscience.

you know what you never witness?   these scienterrifics going backward in their time estimates.

why?   because the more time you tact on,  the further you disatnce yourself from creationism,  and the more street cred among the fabricators your are adorned with.

it's a joke.   a lying joke,   and no one can defend the fluxuation component in this aspect of science.

these guys stretch armstrong true science until stretch cannot stretch any longer.

oh wait,  i take that back.   how long before these giants of integrity say the earth is trillions of years old?

you owe me a beer when that happens  (i drink about 4 a year).    make it newcastle,  thank you very much;

 

i love science,  and the biblical record loves science,  and it's validity can be aquired by science.

what i cannot stand is trying to take the leap of faith from the "science" of my Ipod, to the world being BILLIONS of years old.

that "science" is a straight up lie

 

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visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

he isn't the only one that plays these integrity slippages in these threads
I resemble that remark
 
I put Spencer Wells journey of man in a couple of these turned around Jesus freak threads and got no response from you.
 
 
So are you thinking/saying the science of DNA is a lie too.

first of all four,  you know i have respect for you,  but what i was alluding to is everyone has the equal right to post opposing opinions at LP,  it's just not cool when someone just comes on to complain about the content (just because it happens to irritate them),  and say it doesn't "belong",  and then proceeds to post things when they feel like it.

that part ain't cool

 

i am a "Jesus freak",  so yeah,  thanks.   that means i am living up to my job description :)

 

haven't gotten around to what you inserted,  but give me till later on tonight and i will get to it.

just don't go off about my rebuttal,  after you asked me to

Stack47

VD: "does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?"

Yes I did comment this thread like every other thread VD gets involved in, goes way off topic though I didn't point a finger at him saying he is responsible. Nor did I ask or suggest that it be closed and it's useless asking him prove his lie because of his feeble grasp of the English language. It's painful enough reading some of VD's posts when other quote him to answer.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

VD: "does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?"

Yes I did comment this thread like every other thread VD gets involved in, goes way off topic though I didn't point a finger at him saying he is responsible. Nor did I ask or suggest that it be closed and it's useless asking him prove his lie because of his feeble grasp of the English language. It's painful enough reading some of VD's posts when other quote him to answer.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

 

There's your proof Ridge.....ahha ahha ahaaa aha ahha ah....Green laugh..aaha ahha ahha ah ROFL

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Go ahead Taylor, go out to the Forbidden Zone, but you may not like what you find.

- Dr Zaius, Planet of the Apes

________________________________________________________

Just goofing around top lighten things up, but I do wonder about opther non-lotto threads or threads that get so far off lottery topics are supposed to be blogged on page1 or 2 and this one has went on, and on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.....................

Anyone remember a Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam cartoon........."Draw, no you draw....".

They stood in the street like the opening scen of Gunsmoke, and went through all the seasons............

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

LOL Oh, Nancy, Nancy, Nancy... What am I gonna do with you? You should really stick with decorating tips and stuff like that. Didn't you read what your leader said? He said his little green spacemen came down here in their spaceship and mixed with the monkeys and that's how you, him and truecricket came to be! He's gonna be mad at you now for saying he's a big dummy!

I love the way you crackpots want proof for everything in the Bible but when it comes to the nonsense of evolution you have no need for it whatsoever. There would need to be far more miracles performed for evolution to have taken place than those you mock in the Bible. Where's the missing link, Nancy? Without that the whole theory is a hoax, a fraud and a scam!

But you believe it anyway.

Why?

Because you want it to be true.

You want oh so desperately for it to be true. 

 

But more importantly, Nancy, you've created a schism in your ranks.

You have gone against your leader.

If he says you and he and truecricket are monkeys, then you are monkeys!

You're a bad monkey, Nancy! Bad! No No

No banana for you, Nancy!

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

"I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second?  "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth 

"Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform."

Not all Christians believe the Earth and Universe were created just 8000 years ago and they don't waste their time debating those who do believe it.

i love science. 

science favors the biblical record,  and long before there was instrumentations for measurement,  God spoke thru His recorded word that there were galaxy's that man could never enumerate.

but besides some generic ballpark mention,  that doesn't really qualify anything,  He was specific about certain aspects that were yet to be discovered.

and yet,  he also spoke about specific aspects of it that only someone with personal knowledge of it could ever articulate about it,  and that was prior to science or instrumentation.

even the authors had no idea what they were describing.

only God can orchaestrate and predict the future.

only God could describe in detail His creation long before it was "discoverable".

you two seem to think i discount science, i don't.

i never disaggreed / disputed that light travels that fast.   i don't have a droid app (yet) that will measure it.

how fast light travels,  how "deep" our solar system or interstellar space is,  one things for sure,  science may be experiencing it,  but they sure didn't discover it.

that fact belongs to the biblical record,  as it eluded to that 1,000's of years ago.

 

awesome, simply awesome that God made space "that deep".

who knows,  might be another one of His curveballs,  instead of just the obvious,  that His design capabilities our beyond our total comprehension.

makes sense.  since some fools are so intent on explaining away God,  and using "space" as a means of the discovery of human origin,  what better scenario for a fool to chase a never ending "tail" by making something "infinite"?

"keep going guys,  it's out there sooooooooooooooMwhereeeeeeeeeeeeee"

some science is excellant.

but when science ditches the designer,  and attempts to metamorphasize into something it's not,  that's evil.

discovery is fantastic.    wishful thinking is never righteous,  and it can never become "good"

 

nice, joker now hides behind stack's skirt,  because he can't handle is own business after creating it

joker should send stack a gift certificate for a years worth a free cab fare,  and a 12 pack of heiniken

at least stack took a run at "hard evidence"

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

Lucille Ball is the missing link?

Listen joker, you evo-idiots have come up with so many supposed missing links through the years it's ridiculous. All scams and hoaxes to support the original hoax.

OF COURSE you want to say the missing link isn't necessary anymore due to the strides of science. Why? Because there is no missing link!

Why didn't you just stick with the Piltdown Man?

That was my favorite!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

VD: "does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?"

Yes I did comment this thread like every other thread VD gets involved in, goes way off topic though I didn't point a finger at him saying he is responsible. Nor did I ask or suggest that it be closed and it's useless asking him prove his lie because of his feeble grasp of the English language. It's painful enough reading some of VD's posts when other quote him to answer.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

not directly stack because that's not your style.

men of substance come straight up.

not you though,  you do the side door / underhanded disco move.

and you really think anyone buys your "altruistic" innocent act?   really?

you threw wrenches at people for agenda sport,  big whoop

you didn't direct at me,  but it was only for contextual reasons you poked your head out behind the tree after hiding behind it for 40 pages.

cut the act.

if you wanna throw something up,  throw it up,  but when you play your agenda game,  i have pull out the flyswatter

"because of his feeble grasp of the English language"

 stack, your a weak little integrity ain't.

   you can read (and understand) everything i wrote,  but your such an honest gem of humanity,  you have to run to that as your excuse

it's gotta be one of the lamest arguements i have observed over the years at LP,  that just because trollers like you don't like what i write,  they lie that they "can't understand it"

yeah,   your a giant in the integrity of life

typical.   when someone meets their match,  and starts to sense they are getting it handed to,  out come the personal attacks.

nice "reality" you live in,  stack

evolution is working for you

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

Budweiser will mutate given enough time.

It turns into Heineken when it goes bad.

So maybe if we let it sit long enough it will turn into a mongoose or an anteater?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

instaed of highlighting every sentence of yours, i will address the high notes,  or the "low notes" via true history.

"critical thinking' demands i pick facts over wishful thinking agenda driven "facts",  and what i said about the aspect of science we were talking about,  was true. 

as usual,  you <snip>ized what i did mean,  and turned into something completely ugly.

of course the biblical record favors science.

science is awesome,  and "science" HAS gifted humanity with many an advantageous commodity.

but what you opened with is NOT "truth",  it's ever changing / evolving fiction based in agenda and sold to who will ever but it as "truth".   

in this arena of science,  scientists who dis-favor creationism NEVER say that thier findings are "in flux",  it's "not an exact science",  "it's a ballpark estimate",  on and on and on.   those guy ALWAYS sell it as "fact",  and that's agenda based garbage.

go ahead,  and trust people who willfully lie because the WANT it to be true,  but no one can escape that "millions to billions" leap these guys make without a conscience.

you know what you never witness?   these scienterrifics going backward in their time estimates.

why?   because the more time you tact on,  the further you disatnce yourself from creationism,  and the more street cred among the fabricators your are adorned with.

it's a joke.   a lying joke,   and no one can defend the fluxuation component in this aspect of science.

these guys stretch armstrong true science until stretch cannot stretch any longer.

oh wait,  i take that back.   how long before these giants of integrity say the earth is trillions of years old?

you owe me a beer when that happens  (i drink about 4 a year).    make it newcastle,  thank you very much;

 

i love science,  and the biblical record loves science,  and it's validity can be aquired by science.

what i cannot stand is trying to take the leap of faith from the "science" of my Ipod, to the world being BILLIONS of years old.

that "science" is a straight up lie

 

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Vision, you also need to get your head out of your butt.

There you go again. In your quote above, you wrote that science is awesome, but then in the same breath you write they have an agenda. How convenient.

Religious people are always asked this question. If there is a creator, then God must also have a creator. Unfortunatley for us poor skeptics, God doesn't have to have a creator according to the whacked out Christians because he's out of the realm of time and space. You people have an explanation for everything and nothiing to back it up. Not one shred of evidence. At least, even though science isn't perfect, it gives us a very good idea about our world with experiments, tests and a whole host of rigorous filters it mas pass to be accepted. Sure there's a lot of theories, but certain things have been PROVEN, which then leads to other breakthroughs.

Just look at what the Catholic church did to the men of science hundreds of years ago. Even now, the Catholic church is admitting there are some things in the Bible that are false. They finally woke up.

The funniest thing is, there are many many faith based videos on Youtube using science to back their claim....WHAT?

 

I can go on and on about the contradictions in the Bible, but you don't want to see them. Take the Flood story. It's flooded with holes. The world is billions of years old. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Earth was flooded 4000 years ago.  Every branch of science shows that the Earth is old and that there was no Flood. Chemistry, Physics, Meteorology, Zoology, Micro-biology, Genetics, Astronomy, Geology, Botany. They all provide evidence that a literal reading of the Bible is unwarranted. We can count the rings in a tree, and so on.....Not to mention that the story of the flood was more plagiarism from the Gilgamesh story.

You can't just dump a ton of water on the planet without harming the delicate eco balnce. Saltwater fish would die If fresh water was introduced. How did Noah get penguins and keep them cold enough to live? How did he get Kangaroos? Where did all the water go after the flood? How did a family of old aged folks build a craft the size of a football field with some fallen trees and no materials enough for the enormous task. How did he preserve the wood from rotting at one end considering the time it took? Today we build large ships out of iron for a good reason. The bigger the ship the more it becomes unstable in water.

There are so many other fallacies, my hand would go numb typing them, and it would take me 5 months to complete. You overlook all the videos I posted about the plagiarism and keep yapping your rediculous arguments. 

It's futile to even present evidence to you and Ridge the mountain guy who still harps about the missing link. Maybe he should look in the mirror. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

Lucille Ball is the missing link?

Listen joker, you evo-idiots have come up with so many supposed missing links through the years it's ridiculous. All scams and hoaxes to support the original hoax.

OF COURSE you want to say the missing link isn't necessary anymore due to the strides of science. Why? Because there is no missing link!

Why didn't you just stick with the Piltdown Man?

That was my favorite!

I knew your puny mind couldn't grasp what I wrote. I never said it isn't important, but what you, amybe not you, but most people find that there are many ways to prove something. Proving evolution doesn't hang on whether the missing link can be proven or not. there's a ton of other evidence that shows it.

You need to do your homework, cause the Bible ain't gonna get it done.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

"They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time".

that's a lie.

not stand alone quarantined DNA,  that cannot be "added to" by the scienterrifics that want it to "mutate"

sure,  add a little cotton candy to the DNA,  and mr "integrity scientist" has himself his personal carnival barker

 

you lie without conscience,  and when i challenge you to go extract those "findings" so i can systematically tear it's truth" apart,  you won't bring it here

at best,  you heard that,  or read that, and somebody maybe even sold it as fact and you bought,  but truth is,  it will be another public demonstration that you spray the board with non provable "facts".

AND YOU DON'T CARE. 

 so long as it sounds right,  WHO CARES.   that's your license plate holder

  you read stuff,  and spray it with a hose and sprayer intended to spread fertilizer

bring that "fact" front and center,  so i can run my fine tooth truth comb over it

truth is,  you never will back that up,  because you can't

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

Vision, you also need to get your head out of your butt.

There you go again. In your quote above, you wrote that science is awesome, but then in the same breath you write they have an agenda. How convenient.

Religious people are always asked this question. If there is a creator, then God must also have a creator. Unfortunatley for us poor skeptics, God doesn't have to have a creator according to the whacked out Christians because he's out of the realm of time and space. You people have an explanation for everything and nothiing to back it up. Not one shred of evidence. At least, even though science isn't perfect, it gives us a very good idea about our world with experiments, tests and a whole host of rigorous filters it mas pass to be accepted. Sure there's a lot of theories, but certain things have been PROVEN, which then leads to other breakthroughs.

Just look at what the Catholic church did to the men of science hundreds of years ago. Even now, the Catholic church is admitting there are some things in the Bible that are false. They finally woke up.

The funniest thing is, there are many many faith based videos on Youtube using science to back their claim....WHAT?

 

I can go on and on about the contradictions in the Bible, but you don't want to see them. Take the Flood story. It's flooded with holes. The world is billions of years old. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Earth was flooded 4000 years ago.  Every branch of science shows that the Earth is old and that there was no Flood. Chemistry, Physics, Meteorology, Zoology, Micro-biology, Genetics, Astronomy, Geology, Botany. They all provide evidence that a literal reading of the Bible is unwarranted. We can count the rings in a tree, and so on.....Not to mention that the story of the flood was more plagiarism from the Gilgamesh story.

You can't just dump a ton of water on the planet without harming the delicate eco balnce. Saltwater fish would die If fresh water was introduced. How did Noah get penguins and keep them cold enough to live? How did he get Kangaroos? Where did all the water go after the flood? How did a family of old aged folks build a craft the size of a football field with some fallen trees and no materials enough for the enormous task. How did he preserve the wood from rotting at one end considering the time it took? Today we build large ships out of iron for a good reason. The bigger the ship the more it becomes unstable in water.

There are so many other fallacies, my hand would go numb typing them, and it would take me 5 months to complete. You overlook all the videos I posted about the plagiarism and keep yapping your rediculous arguments. 

It's futile to even present evidence to you and Ridge the mountain guy who still harps about the missing link. Maybe he should look in the mirror. 

I would marginalize and trivialize the missing link too if I believed  hoaxes and fairy tales as wild as those you do.

All the giants of science swore the Piltdown Man was the missing link.

And you would have believed them.

Why?

Because they're scientists!

They're the experts!

 

Well, alrighty then.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I knew your puny mind couldn't grasp what I wrote. I never said it isn't important, but what you, amybe not you, but most people find that there are many ways to prove something. Proving evolution doesn't hang on whether the missing link can be proven or not. there's a ton of other evidence that shows it.

You need to do your homework, cause the Bible ain't gonna get it done.

"There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link."

That's what you said in a previous post.

 

"I never said it isn't important..."

That's what you said in this post.

 

So which joker should we believe?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

"They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time".

that's a lie.

not stand alone quarantined DNA,  that cannot be "added to" by the scienterrifics that want it to "mutate"

sure,  add a little cotton candy to the DNA,  and mr "integrity scientist" has himself his personal carnival barker

 

you lie without conscience,  and when i challenge you to go extract those "findings" so i can systematically tear it's truth" apart,  you won't bring it here

at best,  you heard that,  or read that, and somebody maybe even sold it as fact and you bought,  but truth is,  it will be another public demonstration that you spray the board with non provable "facts".

AND YOU DON'T CARE. 

 so long as it sounds right,  WHO CARES.   that's your license plate holder

  you read stuff,  and spray it with a hose and sprayer intended to spread fertilizer

bring that "fact" front and center,  so i can run my fine tooth truth comb over it

truth is,  you never will back that up,  because you can't

You are a certified moron.

joker17

Here's proof of evolution. Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Let's see you argue your way out of this one.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5207/DNA_Proof_of_Evolution/

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

Vision, you also need to get your head out of your butt.

There you go again. In your quote above, you wrote that science is awesome, but then in the same breath you write they have an agenda. How convenient.

Religious people are always asked this question. If there is a creator, then God must also have a creator. Unfortunatley for us poor skeptics, God doesn't have to have a creator according to the whacked out Christians because he's out of the realm of time and space. You people have an explanation for everything and nothiing to back it up. Not one shred of evidence. At least, even though science isn't perfect, it gives us a very good idea about our world with experiments, tests and a whole host of rigorous filters it mas pass to be accepted. Sure there's a lot of theories, but certain things have been PROVEN, which then leads to other breakthroughs.

Just look at what the Catholic church did to the men of science hundreds of years ago. Even now, the Catholic church is admitting there are some things in the Bible that are false. They finally woke up.

The funniest thing is, there are many many faith based videos on Youtube using science to back their claim....WHAT?

 

I can go on and on about the contradictions in the Bible, but you don't want to see them. Take the Flood story. It's flooded with holes. The world is billions of years old. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Earth was flooded 4000 years ago.  Every branch of science shows that the Earth is old and that there was no Flood. Chemistry, Physics, Meteorology, Zoology, Micro-biology, Genetics, Astronomy, Geology, Botany. They all provide evidence that a literal reading of the Bible is unwarranted. We can count the rings in a tree, and so on.....Not to mention that the story of the flood was more plagiarism from the Gilgamesh story.

You can't just dump a ton of water on the planet without harming the delicate eco balnce. Saltwater fish would die If fresh water was introduced. How did Noah get penguins and keep them cold enough to live? How did he get Kangaroos? Where did all the water go after the flood? How did a family of old aged folks build a craft the size of a football field with some fallen trees and no materials enough for the enormous task. How did he preserve the wood from rotting at one end considering the time it took? Today we build large ships out of iron for a good reason. The bigger the ship the more it becomes unstable in water.

There are so many other fallacies, my hand would go numb typing them, and it would take me 5 months to complete. You overlook all the videos I posted about the plagiarism and keep yapping your rediculous arguments. 

It's futile to even present evidence to you and Ridge the mountain guy who still harps about the missing link. Maybe he should look in the mirror. 

anti creationists are driven by agenda.

that's because their "facts" are eviloutionary,  ever changing,  ever evolving,  and not beacuse of the new and improved discovery quotient,   it's because it's painfully obvious they have to

you still have yet to address how these giants of science can make a leap from millions to billions.

you ran so fast from that little truth tid bit,  you just set the bionic man back into wardrobe

 answer the question...and qualify the leap gap of dating. 

handle your business like a real man for once,  and answer the charge laid against your position

instead of bombing the board,  answering the question like a man

 

God says he was never "created" by another.

just because you can't wrap your head around that,  doesn't indicate a non truth about it

you obviously proved you are not a handler of common sense,  let alone the "headier" aspects of life

 

i have never studied the flood with intensity,  but the flood could have been a geographical specific event that didn't include a covering of the whole earth.

that is only my opinion,  as i have yet to study the texts in depth.

that "opinion" could be congruent with the biblical writers as they recorded the event,  because at that moment in history,  their personal knowledge of the scope of what "world wide" meant was limited due to their inability to travel,  and discovery, etc. 

"world wide" merely meant to them what they understood the world to be in scope and size.

if the flood flooded what they understood,  then that validated their claim of it.

that is only my opinion.

if i ever do search the texts concerning the flood,  and it did mean that it covered the whole earth,  and there isn't proof of that,  you can have by bible,  i won't need it anymore

 

don't be a wuss and go off into flood land just yet,   handle the "billions" (and growing) scienterrific phenomenom first

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

"There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link."

That's what you said in a previous post.

 

"I never said it isn't important..."

That's what you said in this post.

 

So which joker should we believe?

What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games. I don't play those games. If you can't understand what I write, then too bad. I'm done with your parlor tricks. Stay stupid, who gives a shmidt.

There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason. You just want to play games, and I'm not doing that anymore. You can't answer a simple question I posted on this thread early on, which shows me that you're purposely eluding the tough questions. All you do is come back with childish remarks and put-downs.

You are a pathetic individual. Go ahead and keep believing your garbage. And I'll coninue making fun of the clown.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

good.

now you can stop your "search" for God,  drink yourself to an earlier grave,  and contact the scienterrific  community to see if they can implant your DNA into a purple pumperknickel pageant donkey,  so your legacy lives on

your angst should be over with,  now that you "know" evilution is "true"

looks like you will have alot of free time on your hands,  not having to "search" for God and all

later tonight,  i will tie another boat anchor around what you keep thinking is "true"

i just have to decide if i should feel personal responsibility for your increased drinking.

nope,  that's on you

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games. I don't play those games. If you can't understand what I write, then too bad. I'm done with your parlor tricks. Stay stupid, who gives a shmidt.

There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason. You just want to play games, and I'm not doing that anymore. You can't answer a simple question I posted on this thread early on, which shows me that you're purposely eluding the tough questions. All you do is come back with childish remarks and put-downs.

You are a pathetic individual. Go ahead and keep believing your garbage. And I'll coninue making fun of the clown.

Don't get mad at me for showing your lies and contradictions.

I didn't comment. I just copied what you said.

I can't help it if you're a pathological liar.

Go take a bath, maybe it'll calm you down.

And try using soap for the first time, it won't hurt you.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

You are a certified moron.

you made the claim,  i didn't.

i shot holes in it with a BB gun,  and your only defense instead of proving it was...

....calling me names

 

your a bag of wind that flies a kite during a snowstorm

you spray and run,  that's all you ever do,  that's as far as your capabilities run

 

where is your "hard evidence" this time on mutating DNA ?

that's ......the missing link

maybe if your lucky,  the new improved version of the "missing link" will be named joker

what an honor, huh?

the aliens will be enraged though,  because you took their spotlight.

 

first it's evolution that holds the truths of life,  then it's aliens,  which is it ????  Green laugh

your the poster child for what i was saying,  "you guys" just make garbage up,  you don't care if it's true or not.

 

aliens then evolution.  evolution then aliens.  which came first,  heineken or evolution,  or was heineken THE evolution of aliens?  i dunno.   what a merry go around is going around in your head

your now caught in between 2 different rides at the carnival

who will rescue you?

i just think it to be hysterical that you extoll BOTH as being the "answer"

alien evolution.   good title for a new swarzenegger movie

joker17

More proof. Darwin's Finches which demonstrate how the many Finches had different beaks to adapt to the different islands they lived in.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

you made the claim,  i didn't.

i shot holes in it with a BB gun,  and your only defense instead of proving it was...

....calling me names

 

your a bag of wind that flies a kite during a snowstorm

you spray and run,  that's all you ever do,  that's as far as your capabilities run

 

where is your "hard evidence" this time on mutating DNA ?

that's ......the missing link

maybe if your lucky,  the new improved version of the "missing link" will be named joker

what an honor, huh?

the aliens will be enraged though,  because you took their spotlight.

 

first it's evolution that holds the truths of life,  then it's aliens,  which is it ????  Green laugh

your the poster child for what i was saying,  "you guys" just make garbage up,  you don't care if it's true or not.

 

aliens then evolution.  evolution then aliens.  which came first,  heineken or evolution,  or was heineken THE evolution of aliens?  i dunno.   what a merry go around is going around in your head

your now caught in between 2 different rides at the carnival

who will rescue you?

i just think it to be hysterical that you extoll BOTH as being the "answer"

alien evolution.   good title for a new swarzenegger movie

Sorry, I can't help it. I can only pound sense into you for a short time before I lose it. It' not worth my time to keep writing evidence so you can come back with your nonsense.  Simply a waste of time.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

More proof. Darwin's Finches which demonstrate how the many Finches had different beaks to adapt to the different islands they lived in.

I'd talk about finches too if I knew there was no missing link.

You're incredibly stupid, aintcha boy?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

I'd talk about finches too if I knew there was no missing link.

You're incredibly stupid, aintcha boy?

I'm stupid? Coming from a fool who believes in fairytales from a relic book. Do you wait up for Santa on Christmas eve?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

you made the claim,  i didn't.

i shot holes in it with a BB gun,  and your only defense instead of proving it was...

....calling me names

 

your a bag of wind that flies a kite during a snowstorm

you spray and run,  that's all you ever do,  that's as far as your capabilities run

 

where is your "hard evidence" this time on mutating DNA ?

that's ......the missing link

maybe if your lucky,  the new improved version of the "missing link" will be named joker

what an honor, huh?

the aliens will be enraged though,  because you took their spotlight.

 

first it's evolution that holds the truths of life,  then it's aliens,  which is it ????  Green laugh

your the poster child for what i was saying,  "you guys" just make garbage up,  you don't care if it's true or not.

 

aliens then evolution.  evolution then aliens.  which came first,  heineken or evolution,  or was heineken THE evolution of aliens?  i dunno.   what a merry go around is going around in your head

your now caught in between 2 different rides at the carnival

who will rescue you?

i just think it to be hysterical that you extoll BOTH as being the "answer"

alien evolution.   good title for a new swarzenegger movie

The reason I call you names is because you're a complete idiot. Evolution took place, and if you remember, I said earlier that the aliens took an ape and fused their genes with it to make humans. The latter is only my opinion based on information that you wouldn't believe.

So your argument about which one it is, is completely false, once again. There has to first be an evolution to create apes, and then the aliens grafted their genes with them.

I can see why your mind is so limited. You cherry pick things to benefit your stupid agenda.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I'm stupid? Coming from a fool who believes in fairytales from a relic book. Do you wait up for Santa on Christmas eve?

Why do you want to talk about finches instead of the Piltdown Man?

Tell us again that he's the proof of evolution!

C'mon!

Name all the scientists and experts that proved it and swore to it!

Evolution, pffffttttt! Stick to finches, stinky.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

yeah, good excuse

i totally didn't expect you to run the other direction.

adaptation only speaks of God.

evolving species isn't bad,  it's when guys like you have to lie we "evolved" from primordial muck,  or whatever lie you can manufacture for that week,  to explain away creation that evolution takes a detour from truth to fiction.

God would creates species to adapt,  but monkeys to steven hawking to you?

only at the beshest of a caseload of heineken.

by the way,  how did the aliens evolve from promordial muck,  and is lucy a "hybrid" too?

sorry,  but you stick your chin out way too far

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

The reason I call you names is because you're a complete idiot. Evolution took place, and if you remember, I said earlier that the aliens took an ape and fused their genes with it to make humans. The latter is only my opinion based on information that you wouldn't believe.

So your argument about which one it is, is completely false, once again. There has to first be an evolution to create apes, and then the aliens grafted their genes with them.

I can see why your mind is so limited. You cherry pick things to benefit your stupid agenda.

The above referenced post is Exhibit A Agree with stupid  Again, these are joker's own words; I can't make this stuff up, folks, lol.

 

So apparently, Martians came down here in their flying saucers and made sweet love with some monkeys and long-story-short, we wound up with joker. I am absolutely positive that pumpi would vouch for the veracity of this account of joker's existential state of being.

I'm gonna buy him some monkey bars.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

Why do you want to talk about finches instead of the Piltdown Man?

Tell us again that he's the proof of evolution!

C'mon!

Name all the scientists and experts that proved it and swore to it!

Evolution, pffffttttt! Stick to finches, stinky.

You don't answer any of my questions, so why should I waste my time writing back? I asked you a long time ago about the age of the universe and the speed of light, and you've yet to answer a simple question. I know your game and I ain't playing it, get it?

I'm so done with your stupid BS. Go eff yourself, I'm done with talking to a loser like you. Go play games with someone else, and don't waste my time.

Bye dumbass....!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

so what happens when you die

Don't waste your time here anymore. I've done my job and posted more evidence than they deserve to see. I could post tons more, but I have a life.

I can't be bothered by teaching this stuff to a couple of clowns. It's not worth the trouble. They don't want to learn anything.

My job is done.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

You don't answer any of my questions, so why should I waste my time writing back? I asked you a long time ago about the age of the universe and the speed of light, and you've yet to answer a simple question. I know your game and I ain't playing it, get it?

I'm so done with your stupid BS. Go eff yourself, I'm done with talking to a loser like you. Go play games with someone else, and don't waste my time.

Bye dumbass....!

I see now why you're a cab driver.

You really reach for the stars, don't you?

So did you take a bath?

Or just drench yourself with cheap cologne as usual?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

Don't waste your time here anymore. I've done my job and posted more evidence than they deserve to see. I could post tons more, but I have a life.

I can't be bothered by teaching this stuff to a couple of clowns. It's not worth the trouble. They don't want to learn anything.

My job is done.

Bye, Stinky!

Don't forget Piltdown Man.

He's proof you're a monkeyman!

All the scientists said so!   Yes Nod

Pffffffttttt!   LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Poor soul, he's just too high strung is all.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

As hard as I try, some people you just can't help.

They have to admit they need help first.

I hope he comes to his senses someday.

But either way, I'm here for him.

Poor soul.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

You don't answer any of my questions, so why should I waste my time writing back? I asked you a long time ago about the age of the universe and the speed of light, and you've yet to answer a simple question. I know your game and I ain't playing it, get it?

I'm so done with your stupid BS. Go eff yourself, I'm done with talking to a loser like you. Go play games with someone else, and don't waste my time.

Bye dumbass....!

Maybe a personal drinking record tonight from you, joker

Zoomed right past a 12pack, straight to #13.

You can always gauge your posts when they go from "non alchohol" to rehab quality

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

The reason I call you names is because you're a complete idiot. Evolution took place, and if you remember, I said earlier that the aliens took an ape and fused their genes with it to make humans. The latter is only my opinion based on information that you wouldn't believe.

So your argument about which one it is, is completely false, once again. There has to first be an evolution to create apes, and then the aliens grafted their genes with them.

I can see why your mind is so limited. You cherry pick things to benefit your stupid agenda.

evolution is still taking place.......on this thread.                but only because of you

your "position" has more chameleon twists and turns to it,  i need to take a motion sickness pill now when i read what's the latest from you.

and you still refuse to qualify the leap from millions,  to the sooner, rather than later "trillions".   

i don't blame you from taking the freeway exit on that little factual tid bit.     you needed to. 

anyway,  you and i need to take a trip to the zoo to flesh out your latest "truth".

got the perfect qualification test in mind.

we can walk up to the monkey cage,  and you can show him pictures of an alien (doesn't have to be in color),  and if he gets that pissed off look like he got passed over in the scientific probe deal,  then you win.  i concede

if i put on my star wars shirt,  and he gets angry,  and threatens to rip the bars from their anchor,  you win again.

if he starts to cry when i show him a pic of genes roddenberry,  that's points for you as well

if i make a faux "alien" probing device in my garage on my work bench,  and it invokes fear and or "glee" when i show it to the monkey,  then that's bonus points for you

should i even bring my mint condition semi life sized E.T. doll,  and my B.J. and the bear action figure , or is that going overboard? 

but, if i bring a portrait of Jesus Christ,  and the monkey does nothing,  that means you have to agree to give all Christians free cab fare for one year

since your a "hybrid",   you might wanna go in disguise,  because that would taint the results,  if it's true

besides, aliens are supposed to be "intelligent" life forms,  according to hollyweird lore,  so aliens wouldn't have picked apes anyway,  that would have picked donkeys (for obvious reasons)

even eddie murphy knows that

jump the fence at your local zoo, joker,   and see how long your "theory" lasts.

flesh it out,  and get friendly.  sneak up on them with your DNA kit from a garage sale,  and see what a "match" you two are

last time i had a conversation with someone about monkeys being the "missing link",  i noted you can't mate with one and produce offspring.    that killed that convo real quick

can't wait for joker to tell us all just what went into the "fusing process".   

 i guarantee you that explanation would eclipse anything ever said at LP

no one could top that

"now hold still little feller.   this is gonna hurt you,  far more than it's gonna hurt me"  Green laugh

all i want to know is what was substituted for vaseline,  premordial ooze ? Green laughx2

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

ok four,  here i am,  i gave you my word i would come back tonight and discuss it

i read it,  so in your mind what does it mean,  what impresses you,  or generally,  what motivation did you have in particular by referencing that "study"?

you start,  and i will give you my opinion of it

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

so an alien walks into a bar,  and see's a monkey sitting at the bar,  it walks up to the monkey and says ...

"heard any good fusion music lately" ?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

The interview with the author of The Journey of Man that four4me linked to above is excellent.  If it doesn't persuade you to at least consider the possibility that the Bible and the Quran were written by men, inspired by their own human experiences a couple of thousand years ago, then consider this:

http://www.americanhumanist.org/who_we_are/about_humanism/Some_Reasons_Why_Humanists_Reject_the_Bible

If this doesn't help, loop back to my link to the Sam Harris video.

BTW, joker17's conjectures about aliens, regardless of their truth or falsity, do not negate evolution.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

so a Christian walks into the bar (because he is there to "evangelize" of course),  and he see's the alien and the monkey sitting in a dark corner "negotiating".

when all of a sudden they get up,  and make a beeline for the Christian,  only to be stopped dead in their tracks...

"no,  we don't allow either of your kind on our dating sites,  but can i buy you a primordial ooze slow gin fizz"?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

3 hybrids walk into a bar

#1 is carrying a limited edition of origin of the species in one hand,  but dragging his knuckles with the other

#2 is carrying the full box set of planet of the apes,  and wearing a star trek shirt.

#3 looks like an irs agent,  acts like he is from another planet,  "probes" decent law abiding human beings for a living, and wears a hat made from a banana peel

joker is already at the bar,  fully passed out,  and misses the entire sequence, wakes up, see's the dos equis man, and decides he created humanity

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Nephilim

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

What's your point, Cointoss?

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Not that anyone mentioned Mormons but this applies to you crossing the line rdgrnr!  You don't give anyone the respect you want them to show you!  You might think you are funny with all your barbed answers but you are not - makes you just a jerk.

Our next President will most likely be Mormon, think you can handle that? 

Published on Jun 22, 2011 08:50PM

                                When do theological arguments cross the line into the “anti territory — anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon?” asks Mormon blogger Jana Riess.

Riess, a Mormon convert who holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a doctorate in American religious history from Columbia University, should know. She has had many “wonderful and enlightening conversations,” she says, “with evangelicals who don't share all of my theological views but have treated me like a respected friend and dialogue partner.”

Sometimes, though, critiques turn into attacks, Riess writes. She lists the following five signs to tell when that is happening:

1.You claim that a religion is inherently violent or dangerous, much like many American Christians say about Islam and some say about Mormonism.

2. You claim that the religion has deviant or illicit sexual practices — as people said about Mormons even after the LDS Church abandoned polygamy.

3. You choose its more esoteric or odd-sounding beliefs to represent the whole tradition as in statements about the LDS belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri or that God lives on a planet called Kolob.

4. You place it outside your culture’s dominant history as in the way Nazis “distinguished between 'good Aryans' and the 'dirty Jews' who had turned everything wrong for Germany in the interwar years."

5. You suggest that its people are less moral than you are, or unfit for full rights in society.
 
 
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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Not that anyone mentioned Mormons but this applies to you crossing the line rdgrnr!  You don't give anyone the respect you want them to show you!  You might think you are funny with all your barbed answers but you are not - makes you just a jerk.

Our next President will most likely be Mormon, think you can handle that? 

Published on Jun 22, 2011 08:50PM

                                When do theological arguments cross the line into the “anti territory — anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon?” asks Mormon blogger Jana Riess.

Riess, a Mormon convert who holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a doctorate in American religious history from Columbia University, should know. She has had many “wonderful and enlightening conversations,” she says, “with evangelicals who don't share all of my theological views but have treated me like a respected friend and dialogue partner.”

Sometimes, though, critiques turn into attacks, Riess writes. She lists the following five signs to tell when that is happening:

1.You claim that a religion is inherently violent or dangerous, much like many American Christians say about Islam and some say about Mormonism.

2. You claim that the religion has deviant or illicit sexual practices — as people said about Mormons even after the LDS Church abandoned polygamy.

3. You choose its more esoteric or odd-sounding beliefs to represent the whole tradition as in statements about the LDS belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri or that God lives on a planet called Kolob.

4. You place it outside your culture’s dominant history as in the way Nazis “distinguished between 'good Aryans' and the 'dirty Jews' who had turned everything wrong for Germany in the interwar years."

5. You suggest that its people are less moral than you are, or unfit for full rights in society.
 
 

??? What? ???

If anybody can figure out what the hell that was all about, please let me know.

I think truecricket is coming unhinged.

I think it might be the Spacemonkey Gene going haywire.

I just hope I can help him before he reaches critical mass and has a total meltdown.

I'm here for you, truecricket!

I'm here for you!  See Ya!

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 24, 2011

??? What? ???

If anybody can figure out what the hell that was all about, please let me know.

I think truecricket is coming unhinged.

I think it might be the Spacemonkey Gene going haywire.

I just hope I can help him before he reaches critical mass and has a total meltdown.

I'm here for you, truecricket!

I'm here for you!  See Ya!

NOTICE I use rdgrnr when mentioning you.

I have no idea who truecricket is?

You want to act smart - go ahead - just don't expect the courtesy of an answer from me.

cour·te·sy/'k?rt?se/Noun

1. The showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.
 
 
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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

NOTICE I use rdgrnr when mentioning you.

I have no idea who truecricket is?

You want to act smart - go ahead - just don't expect the courtesy of an answer from me.

cour·te·sy/'k?rt?se/Noun

1. The showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.
 
 

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in your recovery, truecricket.

I can't help you if you won't take that first step, little buddy.

You need to center yourself, you're out of balance.

Harmony, my friend... harmony...

We're all here for you, little guy.

As long as it takes...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Well, since aliens came up, who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?).

Or, is it just a case of from time immemorial, the Nephilim, like all the other aliens, are here for the hot babes, the beer, the pizza, and the weed?

There are also theories that we are the aliens, i.e., humankind came from another planet or fled another planet or were sent from another planet to earth to mine its resources.

       

I'm just saying......

None of this knocks out creation, as He created everything.  I know on some "Christian" boards that anything from space or a ghost is a "demon". Naw. This one one vast universe, perhaps one of many universes, and to assume that this is the only inhabited planet is just a striking example of people's egos gone berserk.

Then there's this:

15th Century Carving of Nephilim
Past Coast guest Brooks A. Agnew, PhD sends a photo of what he calls a rare find, a "15th century carving of Non-Human Nephilim" from the Roslin Chapel in Scotland. He writes: "Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women. Some had wings. Some didn't. Not all were human in form. They are immortal off-worlders. And they have a plan."

--Brooks Agnew
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1073.html
visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 24, 2011

Well, since aliens came up, who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?).

Or, is it just a case of from time immemorial, the Nephilim, like all the other aliens, are here for the hot babes, the beer, the pizza, and the weed?

There are also theories that we are the aliens, i.e., humankind came from another planet or fled another planet or were sent from another planet to earth to mine its resources.

       

I'm just saying......

None of this knocks out creation, as He created everything.  I know on some "Christian" boards that anything from space or a ghost is a "demon". Naw. This one one vast universe, perhaps one of many universes, and to assume that this is the only inhabited planet is just a striking example of people's egos gone berserk.

Then there's this:

15th Century Carving of Nephilim
Past Coast guest Brooks A. Agnew, PhD sends a photo of what he calls a rare find, a "15th century carving of Non-Human Nephilim" from the Roslin Chapel in Scotland. He writes: "Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women. Some had wings. Some didn't. Not all were human in form. They are immortal off-worlders. And they have a plan."

--Brooks Agnew
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1073.html

not true,  and based upon total exaggeration

just a scosch of common sense to start,  why would God allow only one time in history a little "party" of the 3rd kind,  where demons, fallen angelic beings et all got to have their way with "hot babes"?

seriously,  only one time in history it happened?

if it were "fallen angels",  it would have happened a gazillion times over the course of humanity,  because fallen angels do not have self control,  and are out to destroy humanity.

let's say that was the initial "first time" slamlamadingdong,  the first taste of that,  and they would have sent a memo out to the "others" about how fun that was.

think people.  use common sense

furthermore, Jesus Christ created angels,  "fallen" and otherwise,  and alluded to all angels being asexual beings,  devoid of sexual relation / procreation capabilities,  so therefore,  it is impossible for the nephilim to be anything but human.

i haven't done exhaustive (enough) research on the subject,  but as i remember,  the nephilim were men that were evil and corrupt before the Lord,  and made their infamy through terrorizing people

you don't think that if that were true,  and "fallen angels" could have sex with earthly women,  that it wouldn't be happening now with hooters restaurants all over the planet?    Green laughGreen laughGreen laugh

"hey,  let's go to the one in LA today.  i heard betty likes her some alien" 

seriously,  sometimes you can come to a truth by way of common sense.

God runs the show, and therefore HAS to allow "evil".   

it's not like it was a one time occurance,  where the fallen angels were feeling a little amorous that day,  and slipped out the parameter fence undetected by God,  and had their way without protest.

in fact,  the nephilim if i remember right were pre flood and post flood,  which would have made their "amorous extravaganza" multiple times.

uh no.  not quite

 

and for extra common sense points,  the bible has a ton of things to say about the created heavens in detail.

the only mention of anything "created" beyond us was angels,  fallen and otherwise.

there is never any hint of another "inhabited" planet,  another faction of created beings,  nothing beyond human beings and angels.

there is no life beyond that,  green or otherwise according to the biblical record.

to be sure,  whenever God discusses in detail what heaven contains,  the only inhabititants are God and us and angels

heaven is Gods residence and throne,  and if there were "other life",  they too would eventually have residentcy,  even if it HAD to include the process of redemption like it did with us.

"other life" would be there as well,  and they are not,  because when God discusses heaven,  it's in stretched out over the entirety of eternity.   still no honorable mention of anyone joining the party

God doesnt have a summer cottage on the planet kolob,  so He has no other "family" to attend to

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games. I don't play those games. If you can't understand what I write, then too bad. I'm done with your parlor tricks. Stay stupid, who gives a shmidt.

There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason. You just want to play games, and I'm not doing that anymore. You can't answer a simple question I posted on this thread early on, which shows me that you're purposely eluding the tough questions. All you do is come back with childish remarks and put-downs.

You are a pathetic individual. Go ahead and keep believing your garbage. And I'll coninue making fun of the clown.

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 24, 2011

Well, since aliens came up, who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?).

Or, is it just a case of from time immemorial, the Nephilim, like all the other aliens, are here for the hot babes, the beer, the pizza, and the weed?

There are also theories that we are the aliens, i.e., humankind came from another planet or fled another planet or were sent from another planet to earth to mine its resources.

       

I'm just saying......

None of this knocks out creation, as He created everything.  I know on some "Christian" boards that anything from space or a ghost is a "demon". Naw. This one one vast universe, perhaps one of many universes, and to assume that this is the only inhabited planet is just a striking example of people's egos gone berserk.

Then there's this:

15th Century Carving of Nephilim
Past Coast guest Brooks A. Agnew, PhD sends a photo of what he calls a rare find, a "15th century carving of Non-Human Nephilim" from the Roslin Chapel in Scotland. He writes: "Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women. Some had wings. Some didn't. Not all were human in form. They are immortal off-worlders. And they have a plan."

--Brooks Agnew
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1073.html

"who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?)."

"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Who were the other women that weren't so fair?

"Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women."

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown."

If I'm reading that correctly the giants were already here and apparently  "IN" in the earth when sons came down. It's sort of strange that mighty men of renown would be considered evil too as the story goes on to say.

Your space seed theory is interesting but only if the Earth is 4 billion years old, but I'm sure you'll be told it's only 8000 years old by our resident Bible literalist.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Not that anyone mentioned Mormons but this applies to you crossing the line rdgrnr!  You don't give anyone the respect you want them to show you!  You might think you are funny with all your barbed answers but you are not - makes you just a jerk.

Our next President will most likely be Mormon, think you can handle that? 

Published on Jun 22, 2011 08:50PM

                                When do theological arguments cross the line into the “anti territory — anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon?” asks Mormon blogger Jana Riess.

Riess, a Mormon convert who holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a doctorate in American religious history from Columbia University, should know. She has had many “wonderful and enlightening conversations,” she says, “with evangelicals who don't share all of my theological views but have treated me like a respected friend and dialogue partner.”

Sometimes, though, critiques turn into attacks, Riess writes. She lists the following five signs to tell when that is happening:

1.You claim that a religion is inherently violent or dangerous, much like many American Christians say about Islam and some say about Mormonism.

2. You claim that the religion has deviant or illicit sexual practices — as people said about Mormons even after the LDS Church abandoned polygamy.

3. You choose its more esoteric or odd-sounding beliefs to represent the whole tradition as in statements about the LDS belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri or that God lives on a planet called Kolob.

4. You place it outside your culture’s dominant history as in the way Nazis “distinguished between 'good Aryans' and the 'dirty Jews' who had turned everything wrong for Germany in the interwar years."

5. You suggest that its people are less moral than you are, or unfit for full rights in society.
 
 

"Not that anyone mentioned Mormons  "

When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief.

VD: "God doesnt have a summer cottage on the planet kolob,  so He has no other "family" to attend to"

It's bad enough on religious forums when these crazy so called Christian fundamentalist try to con people by saying only they know the "truth about God" but this is a lottery site. If it was only that easy predicting lottery numbers as it is predicting who is a religious fanatic, we'd have millions.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"Not that anyone mentioned Mormons  "

When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief.

VD: "God doesnt have a summer cottage on the planet kolob,  so He has no other "family" to attend to"

It's bad enough on religious forums when these crazy so called Christian fundamentalist try to con people by saying only they know the "truth about God" but this is a lottery site. If it was only that easy predicting lottery numbers as it is predicting who is a religious fanatic, we'd have millions.

"When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief."

Oh Man!  PLEASE don't tell me that rdgrnr is now a candidate for President too? ROFL

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Water Proof

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

A little more about the nephilim..... tin hat, or?

This author, Patrick Heron,  has been on coast to Coast AM radio and went into this in depth. Enjoy!:

The Truth Behind Myth

In The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse, author Patrick Heron examines ancient texts from Genesis to the Book of Enoch to Revelation to once and for all establish the true identity of this mysterious, lost race of giant beings. Are they angels? Genetic monsters? Are they characters of fable and myth? Are they still among us? Within these pages the answers are finally revealed.

Solving The Riddle Of The Pyramids

The identity of the Nephilim firmly in hand, Patrick Heron takes his research deeper, using science and an examination of age-old prophecies to discover the true meaning of the pyramids. His astonishing findings address the importance of the pyramid shape and its diabolical aim to supplant the City of God. And last but not least, once the riddle of the pyramids is solved, its significance in helping to navigate the coming Apocalypse is fully illuminated.

Patrick Heron was born in Dublin, Ireland in 1952, and has a B.S. and M.A. in Business Studies from Trinity College, Dublin. At the age of 24, he began his Christian walk following an epiphany he experienced while reading the Bible. In 1997, having recently become interested in Bible prophecy concerning the "end times," Patrick published his best-selling book Apocalypse Soon.He currently resides in Dublin with his family and is not associated with any particular church or denomination. --This text refers to the Kindle Edition edition.


Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief."

Oh Man!  PLEASE don't tell me that rdgrnr is now a candidate for President too? ROFL

Henry Clay once said "I knew Andy Jackson and rdgrnr is no Andy Jackson"; meaning that Andy was the first Democrat President and from Tennessee.

Just a guess, but rdgrnr is probably far right of the Tea Party so I doubt we'll see many Rdgrnr/Palin bumper stickers in 2012.

Hiding Behind Computer

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

whoops,  looks like stacks self estimated inflated ego hasn't had enough of it handed to him in the past,  so the bravado cowboy wishes for some more rodeo.  good by me.

"VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of"

 poor stack,  doesn't realize this particular methodology always comes back to bite a person.

so i...."never know what the subject is"?    i just make things up that have no parrallel attribute?    that's an obvious LIE.

once again,  stack doesn't like the person or the subject matter,  but instead of countering straight up,  the "giant of integrity" moves right to a lie about what HAS gone on in here.

you live in the gutter of life when you purposefully lie about people, period

"but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite"

 nice move,  stack. 

 you were only wallowing in the gutter of life,  but since you went straight to a nasty purposeful lie about my family,   you moved from the gutter to the sewer.

your just mad that a guy like me that regularly assasinates the english language,  so easily easily hands you your intellectual lunch.

what other "gems" of humanity do you have to offer the board in order to convinve them your the "go to guy" for all things "truthful"?

i have a pretty good imagination,  but even i can't fathom a person going lower that an attacking a persons family,  just because their losing the debate before they finish typing the first sentence

like ridge says,  people like you are cowards behind a lap top.   

people that lie about other people don't have a position to add bravado to. 

 in real life,    you wouldn't have the guts to lie about my family to my face,  and since you wouldn't,  that's really all that needs to be told about you being "the man"

the day you stop letting your ego think it can mess with what goes on in here,   is the day i will stop putting your intentional dirty laundry thru the wash 

it's an embarrassing display just watching your attempts at talking trash

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

"We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

 listen,  i know you wish Jesus Christ realy wasn't God,  but lets just get right to it,  and your "history lesson".

stay on track,  because i am RESPONDING to your historical lie,   and the board doesn't want to witness you lying again with you saying i wasn't on the "subject matter".

let's not hold back,  that's scienterrific garbage,  but since you insist it has to be theoretically true,  how about a little "test" to flesh out your leap from monkey to human,  as evilultion keeps lying it is.

lipstick is available at most local stores.  so is cologne.   so are animal attractants.  you can rent a monkey suit at a costume shop,  if you think that will endear you to "lucy" a little quicker.   personally,  however you go about it, we don't care.

since you live in KY,  there is a zoo in louisville,  and i know local laws and human decency laws prohibit it,  but jump the fence in your monkey get up,  and experience your "hypothesis" for yourself.

see if you can manufacture a little hairy hybrid "stack"

ok,  so that was a bit dramatic,  when all i ever had to say is humans and apes were never able to procreate,  and unless you can "link" that missing link,   the "science" of us evolving from apes is a lie

it actually embarasses science.        it's probably one of the dumbest lies in history

don't forget your DNA test kit,  stack

want me to do a mix tape for you featuring cro magnon sounds,  so you can get "lucy" in the mood ?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

ummm,  stack has climbed the evolutionary ladder from a zoologist romance expert,  to a budding biblical "scholar" all in one thread.

that evolution is moving extra fast these days.

 

so stack,  we are all to go to you on all things biblical,  given you a god-hater? 

now that makes sense,  no bias from you,  and more than a total knowledge of the subject.    Puke

 

you might garner a "maybe" in the truth department,  if you haven't sprayed the board numerous times already with your anti-christian parade of superlatives.

stevie wonder prior to braille would agree that you get your 'biblical knowledge" from anti-christian sites that cherry pick with red stains on thier fingers.

unfortunately for you,  i know the importance of collective reasoning, and how that applies to true biblical interpretation.

"you guys" lie to the hills about contexuality,  to make it appear "not true"

guys like us connect the dots,  so that one cherry picked "scripture" doesn't get top billing on the anti's contradiction hit list.

case in point,  and straight to the point so i don't post a rediculous amount of information about geneaology, etc ...is like i said before.

there are two points that make that an impossiblity,  as far as the nephilim being half human,  half science fiction novel

Jesus Christ was God,  and He stated He created the angels,  and He infers that they are asexual in design and function.

they cannot have sex,  so obviously they cannot procreate either,  making it impossible for them to have sexual relations with women (or if you prefer "monkeys").

copy and paste from hypothetical anti-sites all you want,  but no matter what missing link you want to imagine is there,  it's bibically impossible.

  that's why i run to manufactured "inconsistentcies" and alleged "contradictions",  because i get to fill in the blanks on what the bible really does say,  when you don't leave collective reasoning out

you picked the wrong guy to test drive your new "biblical scholar" gig

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

ever evolving in my evolutionary thinking when it comes to the stacks of life,  i have a fast track idea that will enable us to get right to the crux of the disco offering stack the "biblical scholar' had to offer us.

hey stack,   where is biblical proof that angels have sex organs,  and therefore "procreative capabilities"?

you tried to attempt to build your case for the nephalim being half and half using biblical passeages,  so now you must use the bible to demonstrate that angels had the capacity for monkey love of the special kind.

i know,  you won't be able to,  and you will launch into some tirade blaming my ancestors next,  just because you are unable to finish off what you start.

you guys throw garbage out,  and could care less if it's true,  which is why you can never cross the finish line in the truth sweepstakes game

watch what ensues,  as stack loses his "biblical scholar" job description in one day

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

NOTICE I use rdgrnr when mentioning you.

I have no idea who truecricket is?

You want to act smart - go ahead - just don't expect the courtesy of an answer from me.

cour·te·sy/'k?rt?se/Noun

1. The showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.
 
 

"I have no idea who truecricket is?"

 

LOL, truecricket is you, silly!

See, a critic is someone who judges, evaluates or criticizes and they're helpful and useful.

A cricket just makes noise.

That's why you're truecricket!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

ummm,  stack has climbed the evolutionary ladder from a zoologist romance expert,  to a budding biblical "scholar" all in one thread.

that evolution is moving extra fast these days.

 

so stack,  we are all to go to you on all things biblical,  given you a god-hater? 

now that makes sense,  no bias from you,  and more than a total knowledge of the subject.    Puke

 

you might garner a "maybe" in the truth department,  if you haven't sprayed the board numerous times already with your anti-christian parade of superlatives.

stevie wonder prior to braille would agree that you get your 'biblical knowledge" from anti-christian sites that cherry pick with red stains on thier fingers.

unfortunately for you,  i know the importance of collective reasoning, and how that applies to true biblical interpretation.

"you guys" lie to the hills about contexuality,  to make it appear "not true"

guys like us connect the dots,  so that one cherry picked "scripture" doesn't get top billing on the anti's contradiction hit list.

case in point,  and straight to the point so i don't post a rediculous amount of information about geneaology, etc ...is like i said before.

there are two points that make that an impossiblity,  as far as the nephilim being half human,  half science fiction novel

Jesus Christ was God,  and He stated He created the angels,  and He infers that they are asexual in design and function.

they cannot have sex,  so obviously they cannot procreate either,  making it impossible for them to have sexual relations with women (or if you prefer "monkeys").

copy and paste from hypothetical anti-sites all you want,  but no matter what missing link you want to imagine is there,  it's bibically impossible.

  that's why i run to manufactured "inconsistentcies" and alleged "contradictions",  because i get to fill in the blanks on what the bible really does say,  when you don't leave collective reasoning out

you picked the wrong guy to test drive your new "biblical scholar" gig

IF anyone is an atheist, it just means you haven't proven that your God exists.  By calling everyone a liar and alienating* them, you never will prove it.  The burden of proof is on you.

Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans.

 

*alienating Cause (someone) to become unsympathetic or hostile

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

IF anyone is an atheist, it just means you haven't proven that your God exists.  By calling everyone a liar and alienating* them, you never will prove it.  The burden of proof is on you.

Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans.

 

*alienating Cause (someone) to become unsympathetic or hostile

the "proof" is not mine to make,  that's above my pay grade.

all my job decription only goes to defending the facts,  whatever that may be.

 that has nothing to do with intellect,  but a change of heart

 

i don't call everyone a liar,  and you know that,  so don't exaggerate the facts of what goes on in here.

but,  when someone does lie,  i will give them a free pass the first time,  and chalk it up to anger.

doing it over and over without a conscience,  and the definition fits.

so,  now that all this came up on your radar,  are you going to deny or confirm that stack purposefully lied in that post where i called him a "liar"?

since when is calling someone out for willful lying a "sin"?

remember,  Jesus wasn't too worried about his rep when He dealt with the 'stacks' of life.

called some of them liars in the gospels.

 

i don't mind you calling me out, i need to be "checked" just like everyone else.

just make sure it's the truth,  and not some side door agaenda job :)

 

so,  what say you about stack?

Piaceri

Wow, really? This thread's still going? All y'all are doing is Argue and Bang Head and Chair. What a bunch of Dupe Alert 

Not even worth the Lurking

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief."

Oh Man!  PLEASE don't tell me that rdgrnr is now a candidate for President too? ROFL

     ???   What?   ???  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that that was funny. But I don't get it.

Seriously. Maybe you could explain. I'm kinda slow. I appreciate humor and a good joke though.

I must be missing something.  I feel so stupid...      ???   What?   ???

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

IF anyone is an atheist, it just means you haven't proven that your God exists.  By calling everyone a liar and alienating* them, you never will prove it.  The burden of proof is on you.

Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans.

 

*alienating Cause (someone) to become unsympathetic or hostile

"Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans".

 your missing the point

i connected the DNA missing link when i baited the board on the inability for humans to father monkey babies.

somewhere along the line if we "evolved" from apes to humans,  there was that time in history where the sexual component was in place.

the fact that it never was,  negates any possumnobility there ever was ....."a link"

if humans evolved from apes,  that's only possible via sexual relations at some juncture

no one can connect those dots

DNA test anyone ?

can't wait for stack's 'findings"

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

Henry Clay once said "I knew Andy Jackson and rdgrnr is no Andy Jackson"; meaning that Andy was the first Democrat President and from Tennessee.

Just a guess, but rdgrnr is probably far right of the Tea Party so I doubt we'll see many Rdgrnr/Palin bumper stickers in 2012.

Hiding Behind Computer

??? What? ???

No doubt about it, I must be losing my sense of humor.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Water Proof

Lurking

LMAO.....

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Water Proof

My guess is some athiests (and theists, too) will have an "ick" Dead moment, once they find out what happens to the water in whatever they flush. LOL

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

ok four,  here i am,  i gave you my word i would come back tonight and discuss it

i read it,  so in your mind what does it mean,  what impresses you,  or generally,  what motivation did you have in particular by referencing that "study"?

you start,  and i will give you my opinion of it

You take from it whatever you want.
 
Dr Wells traveled to every part of the world and took blood samples from people from all walks of life and every nationality he could find even those from the amazon an inaccessible areas. Through DNA sequencing he discovered we all come from one tribe somewhere in Africa. The cradle of civilization as we all now know.
 
Oddly enough he visited that tribe or what may be remnants of it and the peoples faces and body structures all looked like the nationalizes we are all familiar with, some had Negro jaw structures some had Japanese slant eyes etc, it was amazing to see all those different facial structures in one general population of people.
 
His story and plight for this DNA was broadcast on the discovery and science channel. Our DNA has markers and can be traced.
 
I have a different theory as to where life on the planet possible came from..... how about this might have been penile colony just as America was in the beginning when outcasts, criminals and undesirables were sent here to pave the way for us.
 
The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous.
truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

the "proof" is not mine to make,  that's above my pay grade.

all my job decription only goes to defending the facts,  whatever that may be.

 that has nothing to do with intellect,  but a change of heart

 

i don't call everyone a liar,  and you know that,  so don't exaggerate the facts of what goes on in here.

but,  when someone does lie,  i will give them a free pass the first time,  and chalk it up to anger.

doing it over and over without a conscience,  and the definition fits.

so,  now that all this came up on your radar,  are you going to deny or confirm that stack purposefully lied in that post where i called him a "liar"?

since when is calling someone out for willful lying a "sin"?

remember,  Jesus wasn't too worried about his rep when He dealt with the 'stacks' of life.

called some of them liars in the gospels.

 

i don't mind you calling me out, i need to be "checked" just like everyone else.

just make sure it's the truth,  and not some side door agaenda job :)

 

so,  what say you about stack?

"i don't call everyone a liar"

It wasn't meant to be literal.

"so,  what say you about stack?"

I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member.  If we didn't already cover that ground, I would do it - but no sense starting another war of words here.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 24, 2011

You take from it whatever you want.
 
Dr Wells traveled to every part of the world and took blood samples from people from all walks of life and every nationality he could find even those from the amazon an inaccessible areas. Through DNA sequencing he discovered we all come from one tribe somewhere in Africa. The cradle of civilization as we all now know.
 
Oddly enough he visited that tribe or what may be remnants of it and the peoples faces and body structures all looked like the nationalizes we are all familiar with, some had Negro jaw structures some had Japanese slant eyes etc, it was amazing to see all those different facial structures in one general population of people.
 
His story and plight for this DNA was broadcast on the discovery and science channel. Our DNA has markers and can be traced.
 
I have a different theory as to where life on the planet possible came from..... how about this might have been penile colony just as America was in the beginning when outcasts, criminals and undesirables were sent here to pave the way for us.
 
The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous.

my take from it goes like this....

it's true that ALL human beings would have a DNA marker pointing to an original origin. 

that would favor the biblical account of creation.

however,  wells steals the biblical account,  and attempts to make it his own,  by naming his last traceable human "adam".

now,  his reference is highjacking in nature,  in order to discredit the biblical account,  but also because 'adam' is a purposeful reference to a beginning.

if one reads between the lines on wells accounting,  it goes back approx 60,000 years (by HIS estimate),  but instead of stopping there,  wells alludes to people who lived prior to his "adam".

so if i read it right,  wells has no idea WHERE the origin is,  but says he does, and is still in hypothesizing mode

none of that gels with his alleged "discovery"

didn't the same dr wellls state there were evolutionary forms of humans some 5 million years ago too?

even on that scale of addition,  dr wells has a HUGE  gap to fill of 60,000 years to 5 million years

even within an evolutionary explanation, there wasn't just one magical day in history where an ape finally became a man,  and dr wells would have to go back in history far enough to find "that man",  plus he would have to make the same DNA "link" on apes that currently connected apes and humans

i wonder why the dr well's of science don't do DNA linking experimentation on apes? 

scientists won't go anywhere near that

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 24, 2011

You take from it whatever you want.
 
Dr Wells traveled to every part of the world and took blood samples from people from all walks of life and every nationality he could find even those from the amazon an inaccessible areas. Through DNA sequencing he discovered we all come from one tribe somewhere in Africa. The cradle of civilization as we all now know.
 
Oddly enough he visited that tribe or what may be remnants of it and the peoples faces and body structures all looked like the nationalizes we are all familiar with, some had Negro jaw structures some had Japanese slant eyes etc, it was amazing to see all those different facial structures in one general population of people.
 
His story and plight for this DNA was broadcast on the discovery and science channel. Our DNA has markers and can be traced.
 
I have a different theory as to where life on the planet possible came from..... how about this might have been penile colony just as America was in the beginning when outcasts, criminals and undesirables were sent here to pave the way for us.
 
The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous.

"The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous".

 why? 

it would be congruent with God surpassing our ability to understand the why's of everything He does,   but i don't have a problem with a vast universe that is uninhabited by man or another "creation".

seems pretty logical to me that He would.

who knows,  maybe He did it for self entertainment purposes,  or He didn't it to demonstrate in an observable / measureable way that He can create something as grandiose as fits His whim

in not much into the astronomy thing,  but it astounds my wife to look at a star filled sky,  it's vastness and majesty,  and it trips Her out that she has a relationship with the one who created it.

we get caught up in measuring God thru our capacitative thinking.

if we can wrap our head around it,  then yeah,  it "makes sense" and now i accept it.

people miss out on so much of who God is,  and what He is capable of relationally to us via that limited mindset.

for me,  i never fail to measure possibilities by anything other than what God has said in His word about it,  if He said anything at all.

so for me in this case,  the go-to is collective biblical reasoning,  and like i said,  there is zero mention of another inhabited planet,  or civilization besides us.

no other mention of anyone while you and i are on this earth,  or once we leave it

do i care if i have "distant cousins"?     

 no.   i just don't even see a hint of it in scripture

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

my take from it goes like this....

it's true that ALL human beings would have a DNA marker pointing to an original origin. 

that would favor the biblical account of creation.

however,  wells steals the biblical account,  and attempts to make it his own,  by naming his last traceable human "adam".

now,  his reference is highjacking in nature,  in order to discredit the biblical account,  but also because 'adam' is a purposeful reference to a beginning.

if one reads between the lines on wells accounting,  it goes back approx 60,000 years (by HIS estimate),  but instead of stopping there,  wells alludes to people who lived prior to his "adam".

so if i read it right,  wells has no idea WHERE the origin is,  but says he does, and is still in hypothesizing mode

none of that gels with his alleged "discovery"

didn't the same dr wellls state there were evolutionary forms of humans some 5 million years ago too?

even on that scale of addition,  dr wells has a HUGE  gap to fill of 60,000 years to 5 million years

even within an evolutionary explanation, there wasn't just one magical day in history where an ape finally became a man,  and dr wells would have to go back in history far enough to find "that man",  plus he would have to make the same DNA "link" on apes that currently connected apes and humans

i wonder why the dr well's of science don't do DNA linking experimentation on apes? 

scientists won't go anywhere near that

The bible says that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth.  Maybe evolution is just one of

his methods.  Adam was the start of modern man.  The world was already populated when Adam

was made according to the bible.  Even the Church has undergon many changes in it's very short life.

Who were all the men that Cain was afraid would kill him once he was outcast.

 

14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid;

and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth

me shall slay me.


15: And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. 

And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"i don't call everyone a liar"

It wasn't meant to be literal.

"so,  what say you about stack?"

I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member.  If we didn't already cover that ground, I would do it - but no sense starting another war of words here.

this is what i mean.

you guys just play underhanded games for the sole purpose of discrediting someone,  and serve it up with kum by ya flavoring

stack straight up lied about me,  and has lied about me numerous times,  and yet you said nothing  to him about it.

why,  because you favor stack's position over mine,  and your one of those people that pick "people" over the truth.

i see,  observing someone lying IS ok,  so long as it's in line with your beliefs.

but saying something,  when someone called someone else a "liar" is acceptable.

your fading in and out of good cop, bad cop .....and you need to make up your mind

 

"I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member".

 that's a garbage cop out,  and you know it.

 

you chose to skip right past doing the right thing

 

you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me.

not only lied about me,  but my family.

how do you people live with yourselves anyway ?

make up your mind about who you are for once

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 24, 2011

The bible says that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth.  Maybe evolution is just one of

his methods.  Adam was the start of modern man.  The world was already populated when Adam

was made according to the bible.  Even the Church has undergon many changes in it's very short life.

Who were all the men that Cain was afraid would kill him once he was outcast.

 

14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid;

and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth

me shall slay me.


15: And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. 

And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

(1) it would greatly depend on what YOUR version of "evolution" means

(2) the world wasn't populated by any form of "man" prior to adam,  because if you factor in the evolution of man before adam,  there would still be that "half human / half monkey" thing going,  and Jesus Christ would have had to include a reference to "those people",  when speaking of the atonment of mankind.

what,  they  (the ones you insinuate lived prior to adam)  didn't quite qualify?

 

whenever Christ spoke of the beginning of creation of mankind,  He only mentions adam.

Jesus Christ never mentions anything  pre adam,  and if there were,  He wouldn't refer to adam as His "first creation",  humanly speaking.

there were no "almosts",  or hybrids that didn't quite make it in the baking process.

so nope,  and Jesus Christ stated before adam it was only the Triune God and the angels

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

this is what i mean.

you guys just play underhanded games for the sole purpose of discrediting someone,  and serve it up with kum by ya flavoring

stack straight up lied about me,  and has lied about me numerous times,  and yet you said nothing  to him about it.

why,  because you favor stack's position over mine,  and your one of those people that pick "people" over the truth.

i see,  observing someone lying IS ok,  so long as it's in line with your beliefs.

but saying something,  when someone called someone else a "liar" is acceptable.

your fading in and out of good cop, bad cop .....and you need to make up your mind

 

"I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member".

 that's a garbage cop out,  and you know it.

 

you chose to skip right past doing the right thing

 

you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me.

not only lied about me,  but my family.

how do you people live with yourselves anyway ?

make up your mind about who you are for once

You cannot get the truth from a liberal.

It's not in them.

It's a defect in the brain.

What they will give you everytime is what they want to be the truth.

That's their nature.

It took me a long time to accept that.

I'm a slow learner.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 25, 2011

You cannot get the truth from a liberal.

It's not in them.

It's a defect in the brain.

What they will give you everytime is what they want to be the truth.

That's their nature.

It took me a long time to accept that.

I'm a slow learner.

what's sickening is the guy thinks he is good at selling it via the "innocent" angle.

like make up your mind,  are you going to play nice,  or are you going to think your going to play these little underhanded games and get away with it.

it must be some sort of defect,   because these guys know i will fly swat them when they attempt it everytime.

i could care less if they disagree or post opposing opinions,  just don't think you are going to mess with me that way,  and not pay your own personal price for attempting it.

if there is one talent i do have in life,  it's highlighting who people REALLY are.

or in these cases "aren't".

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

"The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous".

 why? 

it would be congruent with God surpassing our ability to understand the why's of everything He does,   but i don't have a problem with a vast universe that is uninhabited by man or another "creation".

seems pretty logical to me that He would.

who knows,  maybe He did it for self entertainment purposes,  or He didn't it to demonstrate in an observable / measureable way that He can create something as grandiose as fits His whim

in not much into the astronomy thing,  but it astounds my wife to look at a star filled sky,  it's vastness and majesty,  and it trips Her out that she has a relationship with the one who created it.

we get caught up in measuring God thru our capacitative thinking.

if we can wrap our head around it,  then yeah,  it "makes sense" and now i accept it.

people miss out on so much of who God is,  and what He is capable of relationally to us via that limited mindset.

for me,  i never fail to measure possibilities by anything other than what God has said in His word about it,  if He said anything at all.

so for me in this case,  the go-to is collective biblical reasoning,  and like i said,  there is zero mention of another inhabited planet,  or civilization besides us.

no other mention of anyone while you and i are on this earth,  or once we leave it

do i care if i have "distant cousins"?     

 no.   i just don't even see a hint of it in scripture

god is an entity a supreme being from an existence we have no knowledge of other than what we call heaven which is possible the universe, who created god or is he his own creation. How did he create himself from what life form or chemical is he made of is he the light and the truth without substance or shape what elements of this space and time.

Seems to me he gave us intelligence to come to some conclusion as to who or what he is. To seek out every aspect of who we are and where we came from.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"i don't call everyone a liar"

It wasn't meant to be literal.

"so,  what say you about stack?"

I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member.  If we didn't already cover that ground, I would do it - but no sense starting another war of words here.

"...no sense starting another warof words here."

 

Yeah, I'd guess you'd be tired of wars of words.

You have them going on in your mind all the time.

The truth - and what you want to be the truth.

But with you, the latter one always wins.

Reasonable people call the result of that decision - a lie.

But you're not reasonable, you're a liberal.

And it is your nature to lie.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 25, 2011

god is an entity a supreme being from an existence we have no knowledge of other than what we call heaven which is possible the universe, who created god or is he his own creation. How did he create himself from what life form or chemical is he made of is he the light and the truth without substance or shape what elements of this space and time.

Seems to me he gave us intelligence to come to some conclusion as to who or what he is. To seek out every aspect of who we are and where we came from.

44ME

I agree perty much,  I know that the bible says life begin in the sea first and then land.

Evolution says the same thing.   God did not create the sun and moon until the forth day

so I don't think a day in that regard had anything to do with 24 hours.  The first day could

have been millions of years in our time.   I do believe in God but I don't think he got down 

on his knees and scoped up some dirt to make adam.  He formed Adam from the dust of the

earth.  The bible makes clear that we are earthen vessels and the body is the storage place

of life.  I think that even if my body was a product of evolution the real me was a direct action

of GOD.  I don't have any problems with evolution except when it is used to say there is no

God.   Everything natural will pass away, even this earthen body I live in and will return to dust.

The part that remains is the real McCoy and if we think about that part then the body is nothing

more than a garment we wear.  Keep it as clean as you can out of respect but from dust to dust

ashes to ashes.

 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

It's so refreshing to have a decent dialogue with an intelligent person like you. And I'm not saying this because you agree with me. Not to mention the fact that the latter quote above helped me understand a little better, how to preceive the missing link and the related styles of investigations, in a new manner never before thought by me. Richard Dawkins talks about this issue quite often. His explanations are interesting too.

Thanx fo the heads up...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

It's so refreshing to have a decent dialogue with an intelligent person like you. And I'm not saying this because you agree with me. Not to mention the fact that the latter quote above helped me understand a little better, how to preceive the missing link and the related styles of investigations, in a new manner never before thought by me. Richard Dawkins talks about this issue quite often. His explanations are interesting too.

Thanx fo the heads up...

So does this mean you're not a Spacemonkey anymore?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

We all have cro-Magnum DNA, They have not been able to find anyone with Neanderthal Dna, They have found crossbred remains, but they didn't live very long. The Neaderthals are a different species of human and they were here long before Cro-magnum and Lucy, their origin...France...Lucy is considered modern human.

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

44ME

I agree perty much,  I know that the bible says life begin in the sea first and then land.

Evolution says the same thing.   God did not create the sun and moon until the forth day

so I don't think a day in that regard had anything to do with 24 hours.  The first day could

have been millions of years in our time.   I do believe in God but I don't think he got down 

on his knees and scoped up some dirt to make adam.  He formed Adam from the dust of the

earth.  The bible makes clear that we are earthen vessels and the body is the storage place

of life.  I think that even if my body was a product of evolution the real me was a direct action

of GOD.  I don't have any problems with evolution except when it is used to say there is no

God.   Everything natural will pass away, even this earthen body I live in and will return to dust.

The part that remains is the real McCoy and if we think about that part then the body is nothing

more than a garment we wear.  Keep it as clean as you can out of respect but from dust to dust

ashes to ashes.

 

RL

my post was for visiondude and not for you... how it ended up in a reply to you is a mystery to me sorry.

joker17

Bacteria to Apes....Richard Dawkins...

From Ape to Man is relatively a short time, like 5 million years as Dawkins states in the video below, and can be processed by the contemporary brain. However, from a bacteria to an ape, it's hard for the human mind to envision such a slow change, so the intermediate changes are not conceivable yet existed. One very well known species is the "Mudskipper Fish" It's a fish that uses it's pectoril fins to walk on land below in the video below the Richar Dawkins video. HELLO...

 

 

 

MUDSKIPPER VIDEO BELOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I liked your Spacemonkey story better.

I wish you'd pick one story and stick with it though.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

44me

Just adding my 2 cents worth, thought it was a open forum. 

RL

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

44ME

I agree perty much,  I know that the bible says life begin in the sea first and then land.

Evolution says the same thing.   God did not create the sun and moon until the forth day

so I don't think a day in that regard had anything to do with 24 hours.  The first day could

have been millions of years in our time.   I do believe in God but I don't think he got down 

on his knees and scoped up some dirt to make adam.  He formed Adam from the dust of the

earth.  The bible makes clear that we are earthen vessels and the body is the storage place

of life.  I think that even if my body was a product of evolution the real me was a direct action

of GOD.  I don't have any problems with evolution except when it is used to say there is no

God.   Everything natural will pass away, even this earthen body I live in and will return to dust.

The part that remains is the real McCoy and if we think about that part then the body is nothing

more than a garment we wear.  Keep it as clean as you can out of respect but from dust to dust

ashes to ashes.

 

RL

Life began in the sea?   And how is that, RL ?

You say you don't believe God scooped up some dirt to make  Adam,
But then you say he created him from the dust of the ground?

joker17

I'd like to also add , often humans tend to forget that their Ideals originate from where they grew up. A Buddhist is probably debating a Jew right now as we speak. Or a Muslim on some forum is debating with a Christian about how correct he is. Maybe it's a New Age person arguing with a Mormon. It's all dependant on where you were raised. The first 3 years of your life are the most important. This time span is where the molding process occurs, and the brain is making neurological connections at lightning speeds. This is the phase where the foundation of your overall outlook on anything is determined, and that is why it should be crucial at this stage to make sure the brain is presented with many viewpoints.

Of course in the real world this rarely happens. Most of the time, even though a lot of different stimuli are presented simultaneously, a common thread is unconsciously picked up by the child's brain and permanently imprinted to make up the slack, that is, If the person is not open-minded. If not, it defaults back to being brainwashed. 

Dependant on many variables, the aging child can either accept them as reality, or through time and self awareness, step back and take a double take.

In my case, it's been overwhelmingly obvious that there is nothing written in stone. Even the current knowledge is always changing, so it's a never ending process. To proclaim a religion to be the right one out of the thousands is not only ludicrous but delusional.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 25, 2011

Life began in the sea?   And how is that, RL ?

You say you don't believe God scooped up some dirt to make  Adam,
But then you say he created him from the dust of the ground?

fifth day

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Sixth day

24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

every living thing on earth is made from the dust or particles, nutrients, ect.....  all which could be called dust

The instructions "And God said"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

Bacteria to Apes....Richard Dawkins...

From Ape to Man is relatively a short time, like 5 million years as Dawkins states in the video below, and can be processed by the contemporary brain. However, from a bacteria to an ape, it's hard for the human mind to envision such a slow change, so the intermediate changes are not conceivable yet existed. One very well known species is the "Mudskipper Fish" It's a fish that uses it's pectoril fins to walk on land below in the video below the Richar Dawkins video. HELLO...

 

 

 

MUDSKIPPER VIDEO BELOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Sweet, Richard dawkins is a person you can actually contact.

Since you are "unwilling" to hop the fence at the local zoo, and dawkins blows more smoke  than just about anybody, maybe HE will invite himself into the silverback gorilla exhibit, and after an amorous Exchange, he can get us all those DNA "results" we long for.

Email him,  and ask him why there is no DNA link between humans and ANY sub species of apes.

Even on the planet of the apes

That guy makes up stuff DAILY.

do like that little skipperfish feller.   Another one of "Gods curveballs"...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 25, 2011

I liked your Spacemonkey story better.

I wish you'd pick one story and stick with it though.

I know,  I think we should all place bets as to what it will be next week.

It would be different if the guy noted he was "searching",  but every dizzying theory this guy sprays the board with he swears up and down its the "truth".

"Hard evidence"... lol

Notice how the "aliens" went missing tonight on his certainty hit parade?

Tonight its bacteria into "man",  and cute little mudskipperfish.

What's up tomorrow night as "proof" ?

Richard dawkins would return jokers membership fee's, if joker mentioned anything about aliens ONCE.

I told you, the guy sprays wildly

Searching for the truth = cool

Saying 50 different theories ARE "truth" =  angst driven delusion

joker17

Another point I'd like to make. Every rational thing we do to keep us away from harm is reliant on logic, intuition, luck, and many other similar traits or factors to help us survive a hectic world. Variations of logic which are mentioned in the previous sentence pave the way for the decisions we make.

Examples: LOGIC: Don't put your hands over a hot flame. ........Don't jump from a very high place without a parachute.........Don't dive into a deep ocean without an oxygen tank, and learn how to rise safely to avoid the bends, Don't put your arm in a hungry shark's mouth, cross the street after looking both ways, drive your car with focus, bend your fingers inwards when chopping onions, and so on.

But why does religion take a backseat to logic? It should be part of the same scrutiny we put everything else through in our lives.

Logic tells you that you have to set the alarm to the desired time in order to wake up accordingly. There are no guesses as to what has to be done. No conjecture, or haggling. It's a precise act to follow based on LOGIC.

 Surely there are things in life to which I can attest to that don't follow logic, but my response to that isn't a definite outcome. Just because something isn't explained away by science doesn't mean that by default it proves God was involved. Life don't work that way Charlie....Life is full of infinite possiblities. Quantum physics demonsatrates this in every aspect of our lives. Unexplained phenomenon is what makes life interesting. To proclaim life means this or that based on so and so is limiting mental growth.

There are too many gray areas. Nothing is written in stone.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

fifth day

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Sixth day

24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

every living thing on earth is made from the dust or particles, nutrients, ect.....  all which could be called dust

The instructions "And God said"

actually, according to the genesis account,  in chronological order,   life began first on land in the form of vegetation.  (gen 1 :11, on the 3rd day)

then at the exact same time,  God created sea life AND the birds of the air.

  so not to split hairs except for the defense of always making accurate statements what the bible actually teaches,  "life" did not begin in the sea.  (on the 5th day)

on the 6th day,  he created a dizzying hybrid consisting of 1/3 cro magnon man,  1/3 neanderthal,  1/3 richard dawkins look-a-like,  1/3 silverback gorilla,  and because God has a sense of humor,  1/3rd alien

and,  because He knew that man is selfish and never satisified,   he saved the little mudskipperfish for a later date with His "detractors".

joker17

We are our own creators of reality. Qunatum Physics.

Every invention known today, was not know 100 years ago, but IT WAS HERE IN  POTENTIAL EXISTENCE ALL THE TIME, we simply weren't aware of it. Every idea exists in the present and future. Everything is here right now. It just needs to be learned, or made aware of.

In the realm we are living, ALL potential possibilities exist simultaneously as we speak. Everything you need to know is right in front of you. Every math equation, every solution to a puzzle, every outcome to a situation, has the potential of coming into existence, only if the situation presents itself to allow it. So basically, every action is met with a response of some kind. Therefore, If living things didn't exist, the universe itself wouldn't exist. It's a personal thing. As Einstein stated, it's relative to the OBSERVER. This is why the doppler effect of a train going by sounds different ot another person satnding in a different location. It's all relative to the observer.

Now imagine there were no observers. There would be no one to explain how the universe looks like because there isn't anything alive to describe it......Make sense?

The inanimate Universe unwittingly, or wittingly created living things in order to look back in on itself. It seems that given enough time, even an inanimate universe can create something so it can look itself in the mirror through our eyes, and see itself in wonderment.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

I'd like to also add , often humans tend to forget that their Ideals originate from where they grew up. A Buddhist is probably debating a Jew right now as we speak. Or a Muslim on some forum is debating with a Christian about how correct he is. Maybe it's a New Age person arguing with a Mormon. It's all dependant on where you were raised. The first 3 years of your life are the most important. This time span is where the molding process occurs, and the brain is making neurological connections at lightning speeds. This is the phase where the foundation of your overall outlook on anything is determined, and that is why it should be crucial at this stage to make sure the brain is presented with many viewpoints.

Of course in the real world this rarely happens. Most of the time, even though a lot of different stimuli are presented simultaneously, a common thread is unconsciously picked up by the child's brain and permanently imprinted to make up the slack, that is, If the person is not open-minded. If not, it defaults back to being brainwashed. 

Dependant on many variables, the aging child can either accept them as reality, or through time and self awareness, step back and take a double take.

In my case, it's been overwhelmingly obvious that there is nothing written in stone. Even the current knowledge is always changing, so it's a never ending process. To proclaim a religion to be the right one out of the thousands is not only ludicrous but delusional.

" To proclaim a religion to be the right one out of the thousands is not only ludicrous but delusional".

 you should talk.

you changed turncoats just in this thread more times than any us care to go back thru the thread to count.

like i said,  if you had prefaced your offerings as theories or maybe's,   then you wouldn't have dug yourself into the black hole of philosophical pits.

speaking of which,  that reminds me,   you alluded to some "big bang" deal at some other time.

who can count anymore.

probably coming up on equaling that hit list you posted on world religions

maybe that's your goal

anyway,  i am with ridge.       

that alien probing the monkey scenario,  and turning into the geico man,  no way your besting that beauty.

i also observed how telling it is that after you posted that rediculous alien slamalamadingdong thing,  that no one else besides ridge and me took you to the philosophical boards on that one.

God can't be real,  that's just a "fantasy".

but aliens giving monkey's the monkey business,  and that's how we came to be........that's 'acceptable'

tells alot about the reading audience,  and what drives their decision making in these matters.

it's the usual.    people picking people and agenda,   over truth

i never do that,  so it's no mystery why i am not the most popular guy at LP

telling the truth no matter what,  isn't exactly the superhighway to mr popularity land.

 

all i want to know is how the first conversation went with the alien and the monkey,   you know,  that initial awkward moment where the alien tries to convince the geico man that it really isn't gonna hurt Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

We are our own creators of reality. Qunatum Physics.

Every invention known today, was not know 100 years ago, but IT WAS HERE IN  POTENTIAL EXISTENCE ALL THE TIME, we simply weren't aware of it. Every idea exists in the present and future. Everything is here right now. It just needs to be learned, or made aware of.

In the realm we are living, ALL potential possibilities exist simultaneously as we speak. Everything you need to know is right in front of you. Every math equation, every solution to a puzzle, every outcome to a situation, has the potential of coming into existence, only if the situation presents itself to allow it. So basically, every action is met with a response of some kind. Therefore, If living things didn't exist, the universe itself wouldn't exist. It's a personal thing. As Einstein stated, it's relative to the OBSERVER. This is why the doppler effect of a train going by sounds different ot another person satnding in a different location. It's all relative to the observer.

Now imagine there were no observers. There would be no one to explain how the universe looks like because there isn't anything alive to describe it......Make sense?

The inanimate Universe unwittingly, or wittingly created living things in order to look back in on itself. It seems that given enough time, even an inanimate universe can create something so it can look itself in the mirror through our eyes, and see itself in wonderment.

ummmmm,  while speed reading thru the whole thing,  there was no mention of evolution now,  and nothing about aliens.

we know by past dealings with you that this quantum rediculousness isn't something new,  this is just a reboot from your oldies hits.

what's on tap for tomorrow from you?

how about a sneak preview,  so i can wikipedia it to smithereens

me,  i am still looking for that 'hard evidence" you said you had back about 20 pages ago

and worse,  'quantum physics' negates God out of the equation entirely.

first you say you are searching for God,   followed by this stuff

what's next,  selling your soul to justin bieber ?

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Two different events,  Look at the order in the first and compare.   I can't belive that the writer

could get this confused on the same page.   I think that the life on earth was kick started and 

left to evolve.   Modifications were made from time to time until the product reached a certain

point at which time Adam was formed from this "dust of the earth."   Scientist have managed

to duplicate the building blocks of life minus the instructions.   All life on earth seems to have come

from the same set of plans with a few variations of configuration which are common in design.

When I build something new or write another program I use parts from many old projects,  most

people who know my work would have no problem identifying me as the author.  Even old pecies

of funiture built hundreds of years ago can be linked to the builder because people develop a style

of doing things.  Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think

that the same designer had a hand in them all.             

 

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

this is what i mean.

you guys just play underhanded games for the sole purpose of discrediting someone,  and serve it up with kum by ya flavoring

stack straight up lied about me,  and has lied about me numerous times,  and yet you said nothing  to him about it.

why,  because you favor stack's position over mine,  and your one of those people that pick "people" over the truth.

i see,  observing someone lying IS ok,  so long as it's in line with your beliefs.

but saying something,  when someone called someone else a "liar" is acceptable.

your fading in and out of good cop, bad cop .....and you need to make up your mind

 

"I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member".

 that's a garbage cop out,  and you know it.

 

you chose to skip right past doing the right thing

 

you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me.

not only lied about me,  but my family.

how do you people live with yourselves anyway ?

make up your mind about who you are for once

"you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me."

"you chose to skip right past doing the right thing"

 

The Right Thing.

Just what is the "right" thing.  To me the right thing was to not give you my opinion of stuff posted by Stack.  At a different time, like in another thread, the right thing to do would have been to tell you.  This thread will never be settled and there is no sense adding a lot more extraneous stuff to it.   Do I ask you what you think of ridge calling everyone his two all time favorites: lib or queer/ and also every other smear he posts?  Never have.  My opinion on that is that he helps carry you through this thread where you would be vastly outnumbered.  But I don't think you are hardly like him at all.  And I don't think you agree with his name calling.  Only reason he hasn't called you names is because you are more or less, partners - some time in the future you might not be in agreement.  That "Don't tread on me (with the picture of a rattlesnake)" attitude that he has is his personality.  A rattlesnake don't care if you and he are partners here - one day when you aren't, he'll strike. That is how snakes are.

You make things extremely difficult. You setup things so no one can win. Then you attack (in this case you attack me - based on your judgment of what you want to hear). Had I offered a different answer, you would have attacked that also. I turn right, you say that is wrong. I turn left, you say that is wrong. I stand still, you say that is wrong. No one can win. You won't allow them to win, even when everything they say points to being the right answer. You'll argue with facts only when necessary. Otherwise you argue that people are telling lies. 

First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree.  Therfore to not fan the fires more at this stage of this thread, I refused to give you a blow by blow account of what I think.  I still think THAT was the right thing to do.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jun 25, 2011

We all have cro-Magnum DNA, They have not been able to find anyone with Neanderthal Dna, They have found crossbred remains, but they didn't live very long. The Neaderthals are a different species of human and they were here long before Cro-magnum and Lucy, their origin...France...Lucy is considered modern human.

Red Haired Neanderthal

Neanderthal genome - our red-headed,

muscle-bound siblings live on within us.

Fascinating discoveries recently shed new light on the Neanderthal – researchers have sequenced the Neanderthal genome – we now know exactly what differs and what is the same between them and modern day humans.  Not surprisingly, there are some major commonalities.  Now we know that Humans and Neanderthals interbred to some degree.  Today, there remains a part of Homo neanderthalensis which lives on in Homo sapiens.

Click here to read all about it (more pictures too!)

http://www.examiner.com/freethought-in-philadelphia/neanderthal-genome-our-red-headed-muscle-bound-siblings-live-on-within-us

P.S. Cro-Magnons coexisted with Neanderthals for about 10,000 years in Europe.


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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 25, 2011

Red Haired Neanderthal

Neanderthal genome - our red-headed,

muscle-bound siblings live on within us.

Fascinating discoveries recently shed new light on the Neanderthal – researchers have sequenced the Neanderthal genome – we now know exactly what differs and what is the same between them and modern day humans.  Not surprisingly, there are some major commonalities.  Now we know that Humans and Neanderthals interbred to some degree.  Today, there remains a part of Homo neanderthalensis which lives on in Homo sapiens.

Click here to read all about it (more pictures too!)

http://www.examiner.com/freethought-in-philadelphia/neanderthal-genome-our-red-headed-muscle-bound-siblings-live-on-within-us

P.S. Cro-Magnons coexisted with Neanderthals for about 10,000 years in Europe.


cool thanks..

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

I thought about you guys when I saw this on youtube.  Do You Believe in God?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 25, 2011

I thought about you guys when I saw this on youtube.  Do You Believe in God?

First, gotta admit, "he" sure is animated! ROFL

I think he is right.  I've never posted my religious belief on the net because I feel it is private.  If I was running for public office, then that would be a different story.   Some here have made judgment calls but they are only guessing to serve their own purposes.

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

First, gotta admit, "he" sure is animated! ROFL

I think he is right.  I've never posted my religious belief on the net because I feel it is private.  If I was running for public office, then that would be a different story.   Some here have made judgment calls but they are only guessing to serve their own purposes.

But it is not private, Trucritic, or hidden from anyone.  Religious belief or lack of it, is visual and exposed to everyone in everything we do. 

A person doesn't need to tell or talk about what they believe in, it shows in their love for other people, common good, what they talk about, how they act, how they handle problems, and how much fear they have in their life. 

It's about love.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

"you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me."

"you chose to skip right past doing the right thing"

 

The Right Thing.

Just what is the "right" thing.  To me the right thing was to not give you my opinion of stuff posted by Stack.  At a different time, like in another thread, the right thing to do would have been to tell you.  This thread will never be settled and there is no sense adding a lot more extraneous stuff to it.   Do I ask you what you think of ridge calling everyone his two all time favorites: lib or queer/ and also every other smear he posts?  Never have.  My opinion on that is that he helps carry you through this thread where you would be vastly outnumbered.  But I don't think you are hardly like him at all.  And I don't think you agree with his name calling.  Only reason he hasn't called you names is because you are more or less, partners - some time in the future you might not be in agreement.  That "Don't tread on me (with the picture of a rattlesnake)" attitude that he has is his personality.  A rattlesnake don't care if you and he are partners here - one day when you aren't, he'll strike. That is how snakes are.

You make things extremely difficult. You setup things so no one can win. Then you attack (in this case you attack me - based on your judgment of what you want to hear). Had I offered a different answer, you would have attacked that also. I turn right, you say that is wrong. I turn left, you say that is wrong. I stand still, you say that is wrong. No one can win. You won't allow them to win, even when everything they say points to being the right answer. You'll argue with facts only when necessary. Otherwise you argue that people are telling lies. 

First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree.  Therfore to not fan the fires more at this stage of this thread, I refused to give you a blow by blow account of what I think.  I still think THAT was the right thing to do.

well,  it's not like i expected you to own it, because guys like you don't.

in the several threads were you and i have maintained positions,  you the one that came after me first.

all i was doing is what i always do,  giving my unpollitically correct opinion about the subject matter,  and then when guys like you don't like that my opinion challenges yours,  you launch into a personal assault.

but you,  your a different breed,  you do it via the "nice guy" underhanded route

your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks, and when i wouldn't,  you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on.

like i noted,  it's an attempt by you to marginalize someone with whom they disagree,  and i won't allow anyone to bully me into intimidation land.      underhanded version or otherwise

you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion

that won't ever happen,  and so guys like you get "speacail treatment"

like i said,  stack lying purposefully about me is ok,  because well,  it's against me.   but your essence in here is once again highlighted because you refused to call that what it is.

no,  i don't agree with ridge calling people names.   ridge and i agree on most things,  and i like his not take any garbage off of people stand,  but no,  name calling is unnecessary.   even though ridge is fed up with wonderful people like you,  and i understand why he would be,  his name calling is beneath him

so you see,  that's how you pick truth over people

the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is.

you?    you turn it around in your "innocent act" washing machine,  and hang it on the clothsline for a later date.

you bring this stuff on yourself,  by coming after me,  when there are other people you could have given your "behavioral speech" too first.   shoot,  i would have been satisfied that you play fair in life if you had gone after just one person other than me that favors your position.

now that i think about it,  joker is the nastiest poster at LP.  calls perfectiming a "dumbass".

since your such the "behavioral police",   wwere where you on that one?

full circle lets us know you have never said squat to joker ever about his comments, etc.

so take a hike truecritic.  your agenda is clear.   you could have muted it while you had the chance.

cracks me up though,  your "nice guy" act and all.

i come after people like you to keep you in check,  so that guys like you don't think there is ever going to come a time where you can marginalize a voice like mine.

the difference between a guy like you,  and a guy like me?

there are quite a few people in here with whom i disagree,  do you see me pulling a truecritic move,  and going after them using the exact same tactics you use?    not quite my altruistic actor

i only make sure i give people like you the "special treatment",   when their ego pretends to think they can relegate me into marginalized land

that second paragraph of yours is a perfect example of how underhanded your attempt is.

i set people up to win, because i give them every chance to back up stuff they say.  i am really good at setting that scenario up.   it isn't my fault that when they get that chance,  they can't close their own deal,  so quit your insution flavored lie i "bully people".

i am nice and respectful out of the gate,  but when someone starts to play me,  then i match their effort with my little highlight lamp

you don't get the luxury of "nice visiondude" because you keep playing these cheap underhanded games.

you had that chance when you started acting nice after posting help to me about posting pics.

wasn't long after that,  it was back to your truecritic colors

"First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree"

 yeah,  ain't that the truth,  and now we all know why.    lying is perfectly acceptable,  and totally high fived by you,  so long as the person doing it is in agreement with your position in life.

cut the two faced innocent act.      it's a disgusting display

what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post

you put out the welcome mat,  i didn't

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

"you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me."

"you chose to skip right past doing the right thing"

 

The Right Thing.

Just what is the "right" thing.  To me the right thing was to not give you my opinion of stuff posted by Stack.  At a different time, like in another thread, the right thing to do would have been to tell you.  This thread will never be settled and there is no sense adding a lot more extraneous stuff to it.   Do I ask you what you think of ridge calling everyone his two all time favorites: lib or queer/ and also every other smear he posts?  Never have.  My opinion on that is that he helps carry you through this thread where you would be vastly outnumbered.  But I don't think you are hardly like him at all.  And I don't think you agree with his name calling.  Only reason he hasn't called you names is because you are more or less, partners - some time in the future you might not be in agreement.  That "Don't tread on me (with the picture of a rattlesnake)" attitude that he has is his personality.  A rattlesnake don't care if you and he are partners here - one day when you aren't, he'll strike. That is how snakes are.

You make things extremely difficult. You setup things so no one can win. Then you attack (in this case you attack me - based on your judgment of what you want to hear). Had I offered a different answer, you would have attacked that also. I turn right, you say that is wrong. I turn left, you say that is wrong. I stand still, you say that is wrong. No one can win. You won't allow them to win, even when everything they say points to being the right answer. You'll argue with facts only when necessary. Otherwise you argue that people are telling lies. 

First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree.  Therfore to not fan the fires more at this stage of this thread, I refused to give you a blow by blow account of what I think.  I still think THAT was the right thing to do.

It seems everybody's all upset about my namecalling lately.

Alrighty then, I'll leave it up to committee on this one.

Truecricket says one of my two all time favorite things to call somebody is "Queer".

Now the truth is that I have never once called anybody that name.

So I'll leave it up to committee to decide what to label truecricket for telling that big fat lie.

Afterall, I don't want to call him a liar and be known as a namecaller.

Not me, that's beneath me...

No way I'll ever do that again...

 

Nah, on second thought, screw it.

Truecricket, you're a m-----f---ing LIAR!

I gotta live with myself.

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 25, 2011

well,  it's not like i expected you to own it, because guys like you don't.

in the several threads were you and i have maintained positions,  you the one that came after me first.

all i was doing is what i always do,  giving my unpollitically correct opinion about the subject matter,  and then when guys like you don't like that my opinion challenges yours,  you launch into a personal assault.

but you,  your a different breed,  you do it via the "nice guy" underhanded route

your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks, and when i wouldn't,  you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on.

like i noted,  it's an attempt by you to marginalize someone with whom they disagree,  and i won't allow anyone to bully me into intimidation land.      underhanded version or otherwise

you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion

that won't ever happen,  and so guys like you get "speacail treatment"

like i said,  stack lying purposefully about me is ok,  because well,  it's against me.   but your essence in here is once again highlighted because you refused to call that what it is.

no,  i don't agree with ridge calling people names.   ridge and i agree on most things,  and i like his not take any garbage off of people stand,  but no,  name calling is unnecessary.   even though ridge is fed up with wonderful people like you,  and i understand why he would be,  his name calling is beneath him

so you see,  that's how you pick truth over people

the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is.

you?    you turn it around in your "innocent act" washing machine,  and hang it on the clothsline for a later date.

you bring this stuff on yourself,  by coming after me,  when there are other people you could have given your "behavioral speech" too first.   shoot,  i would have been satisfied that you play fair in life if you had gone after just one person other than me that favors your position.

now that i think about it,  joker is the nastiest poster at LP.  calls perfectiming a "dumbass".

since your such the "behavioral police",   wwere where you on that one?

full circle lets us know you have never said squat to joker ever about his comments, etc.

so take a hike truecritic.  your agenda is clear.   you could have muted it while you had the chance.

cracks me up though,  your "nice guy" act and all.

i come after people like you to keep you in check,  so that guys like you don't think there is ever going to come a time where you can marginalize a voice like mine.

the difference between a guy like you,  and a guy like me?

there are quite a few people in here with whom i disagree,  do you see me pulling a truecritic move,  and going after them using the exact same tactics you use?    not quite my altruistic actor

i only make sure i give people like you the "special treatment",   when their ego pretends to think they can relegate me into marginalized land

that second paragraph of yours is a perfect example of how underhanded your attempt is.

i set people up to win, because i give them every chance to back up stuff they say.  i am really good at setting that scenario up.   it isn't my fault that when they get that chance,  they can't close their own deal,  so quit your insution flavored lie i "bully people".

i am nice and respectful out of the gate,  but when someone starts to play me,  then i match their effort with my little highlight lamp

you don't get the luxury of "nice visiondude" because you keep playing these cheap underhanded games.

you had that chance when you started acting nice after posting help to me about posting pics.

wasn't long after that,  it was back to your truecritic colors

"First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree"

 yeah,  ain't that the truth,  and now we all know why.    lying is perfectly acceptable,  and totally high fived by you,  so long as the person doing it is in agreement with your position in life.

cut the two faced innocent act.      it's a disgusting display

what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post

you put out the welcome mat,  i didn't

If I use the same exact "tactics" that you use, right about now I would call you a liar.  However, I really am not that way.  I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste.

A) When I offered technical help, that is off the table.  I did that because I do things like that and know many here don't know how.  I have neither bragged about it or brought it up as a talking point for or against you or anyone that may have learned something that day.  Even if ridge learned something that day, it is OK.  That is neutral territory.  I made a joke at the time about one of your images - only a joke.  Yet, some people took that as a chance to post something against me.  I never realized it might be taken the wrong way.  What is not known, I did ask if Todd could take that down once I was aware it might be a problem.  I am glad you brushed it aside.

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner. 

I try to post opinions more than any kind of derogatory remarks.  I try to offer things that are common sense.  I try to be sincere.  The heat of the moment could change some of that, which is to be expected of anyone.  I am not sure how you mean I lied to you in the above post.  I cannot agree with every single word that some other posters post.  But there is a lot of truth in their frustration with you.  You did not see me "high-five" Stack (which was closer than you know) - on the other hand I didn't jump in and plaster you to the wall as you suggest.  His posts may not be 100% accurate - but on the other hand, I am not sure it goes to the level to be called a lie and him a liar.  He didn't attack your family as you seem to think.  At least not in my opinion.  He presented a hypothetical situation and projected about your children. 

You can pick at all these words apart and find something to attack - don't expect me to jump back in.  If you have something specific that needs clearing up, ask and I'll try to explain what I meant.  But I don't want to spend another hour on a post like this, so make it short.

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Well, I won't be forced to keep quiet, just the same as you and others on here won't be forced.   I am not always right and I have changed some of my ideas from time to time.    However, a peaceful ending would be nice.  You don't have to agree with me - no one does.  I would never agree with you either.   But we don't have to do that to have an amicable end to some silly thread.

I actually have a life and I must attend to other things.

jimmy4164

Truecritic,

Don't waste your time digging up the many references here to rdgrnr's negative questionings of various posters' sexuality.

It's not necessary.

Anyone with half a brain can see that it's an obsession with him.

Just ignore him.

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 25, 2011

Truecritic,

Don't waste your time digging up the many references here to rdgrnr's negative questionings of various posters' sexuality.

It's not necessary.

Anyone with half a brain can see that it's an obsession with him.

Just ignore him.

--Jimmy4164

Uh-oh, sounds like it's Midol time at Nancy's house. LOL

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 25, 2011

It seems everybody's all upset about my namecalling lately.

Alrighty then, I'll leave it up to committee on this one.

Truecricket says one of my two all time favorite things to call somebody is "Queer".

Now the truth is that I have never once called anybody that name.

So I'll leave it up to committee to decide what to label truecricket for telling that big fat lie.

Afterall, I don't want to call him a liar and be known as a namecaller.

Not me, that's beneath me...

No way I'll ever do that again...

 

Nah, on second thought, screw it.

Truecricket, you're a m-----f---ing LIAR!

I gotta live with myself.

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

If I use the same exact "tactics" that you use, right about now I would call you a liar.  However, I really am not that way.  I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste.

A) When I offered technical help, that is off the table.  I did that because I do things like that and know many here don't know how.  I have neither bragged about it or brought it up as a talking point for or against you or anyone that may have learned something that day.  Even if ridge learned something that day, it is OK.  That is neutral territory.  I made a joke at the time about one of your images - only a joke.  Yet, some people took that as a chance to post something against me.  I never realized it might be taken the wrong way.  What is not known, I did ask if Todd could take that down once I was aware it might be a problem.  I am glad you brushed it aside.

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner. 

I try to post opinions more than any kind of derogatory remarks.  I try to offer things that are common sense.  I try to be sincere.  The heat of the moment could change some of that, which is to be expected of anyone.  I am not sure how you mean I lied to you in the above post.  I cannot agree with every single word that some other posters post.  But there is a lot of truth in their frustration with you.  You did not see me "high-five" Stack (which was closer than you know) - on the other hand I didn't jump in and plaster you to the wall as you suggest.  His posts may not be 100% accurate - but on the other hand, I am not sure it goes to the level to be called a lie and him a liar.  He didn't attack your family as you seem to think.  At least not in my opinion.  He presented a hypothetical situation and projected about your children. 

You can pick at all these words apart and find something to attack - don't expect me to jump back in.  If you have something specific that needs clearing up, ask and I'll try to explain what I meant.  But I don't want to spend another hour on a post like this, so make it short.

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Well, I won't be forced to keep quiet, just the same as you and others on here won't be forced.   I am not always right and I have changed some of my ideas from time to time.    However, a peaceful ending would be nice.  You don't have to agree with me - no one does.  I would never agree with you either.   But we don't have to do that to have an amicable end to some silly thread.

I actually have a life and I must attend to other things.

Geeze, if that was a movie I think I would have slept through it.

As usual though, just more evasive action.

The fact that you want any mention of God or Jesus or prayer or saints or anything relating to that banned, wasn't even mentioned. You even went so far as to demand that "God bless America" be banned. Now, the debate has suddenly shifted to ethics in debate and politeness and propriety and decorum and who called who the worst names.

Well, how convenient!

Now you don't have to defend your war on God and religion anymore! You're in charge of ethics investigations!

I gotta hand it to ya.

You're a slippery little weasel!

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

Of all people, you, a liberal, and an atheist and an a Blame America First guy are not worthy to speak of the Gadsden Flag.

That flag was carried into battle against the British in our fight for Independence, a cause I'm sure you would have objected to because it involved the use of guns and violence and you find yourself in tears when writing a post.

So keep your limp-wristed, sashaying, touchy-feely, oh so sensitive opinions about it to yourself.

I have that flag on the back window of my pickup and it causes wimps like you to key it when they're sure they won't be caught.

Funny how you guys won't do a dam thing when I'm there though.

Gutless cowards.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

"I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you."

Thank you for comparing me to the Rattlesnake, truecricket. I consider it a badge of honor, you insufferable moron. That's why it was used as an American Symbol.

Here's what Ben Franklin said about the Rattler:

"She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. ... she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."

 

Read on and maybe you'll learn something.

 

 

 

Don't Tread on Me
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Gadsden Flag History



 

The origins of the Gadsden flag, U.S. Navy, and U.S. Marine Corps

Georgia $20 bill
The seal from a 1778 $20 bill from Georgia. The financial backing for these bills was property seized from loyalists. The motto reads "Nemo me impune lacesset," i.e. "No one will provoke me with impunity."

By 1775, the snake symbol wasn't just being printed in newspapers. It was appearing all over the colonies: on uniform buttons, on paper money, and of course, on banners and flags.

The snake symbol morphed quite a bit during its rapid, widespread adoption. It wasn't cut up into pieces anymore. And it was usually shown as an American timber rattlesnake, not a generic serpent.

We don't know for certain where, when, or by whom the familiar coiled rattlesnake was first used with the warning "Don't Tread on Me."

We do know when it first entered the history books.

In the fall of 1775, the British were occupying Boston and the young Continental Army was holed up in Cambridge, woefully short on arms and ammunition. At the Battle of Bunker Hill, Washington's troops had been so low on gunpowder that they were ordered "not to fire until you see the whites of their eyes."

In October, a merchant ship called The Black Prince returned to Philadelphia from a voyage to England. On board were private letters to the Second Continental Congress that informed them that the British government was sending two ships to America loaded with arms and gunpowder for the British troops.

Congress decided that General Washington needed those arms more than the British. A plan was hatched to capture the cargo ships. They authorized the creation of a Continental Navy, starting with four ships. The frigate that carried the information from England, the Black Prince, was one of the four. It was purchased, converted to a man-of-war, and renamed the Alfred.

To accompany the Navy on their first mission, Congress also authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines. The Alfred and its sailors and marines went on to achieve some of the most notable victories of the American Revolution. But that's not the story we're interested in here.

What's particularly interesting for us is that some of the Marines that enlisted that month in Philadelphia were carrying drums painted yellow, emblazoned with a fierce rattlesnake, coiled and ready to strike, with thirteen rattles, and sporting the motto "Don't Tread on Me."



An American Guesser

In December 1775, "An American Guesser" anonymously wrote to the Pennsylvania Journal:

"I observed on one of the drums belonging to the marines now raising, there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, 'Don't tread on me.' As I know it is the custom to have some device on the arms of every country, I supposed this may have been intended for the arms of America."

 

This anonymous writer, having "nothing to do with public affairs" and "in order to divert an idle hour," speculated on why a snake might be chosen as a symbol for America.

First, it occurred to him that "the Rattle-Snake is found in no other quarter of the world besides America."

The rattlesnake also has sharp eyes, and "may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance." Furthermore,

"She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. ... she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."

 

Finally,

"I confess I was wholly at a loss what to make of the rattles, 'till I went back and counted them and found them just thirteen, exactly the number of the Colonies united in America; and I recollected too that this was the only part of the Snake which increased in numbers. ...

 

"'Tis curious and amazing to observe how distinct and independent of each other the rattles of this animal are, and yet how firmly they are united together, so as never to be separated but by breaking them to pieces. One of those rattles singly, is incapable of producing sound, but the ringing of thirteen together, is sufficient to alarm the boldest man living."

 

Franklin portrait
Benjamin Franklin, portrait by David Martin, 1767. White House Historical Association.

Many scholars now agree that this "American Guesser" was Benjamin Franklin.

Franklin is also known for opposing the use of an eagle — "a bird of bad moral character" — as a national symbol.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

I do have to give you credit for admitting you flat-out lied.

That's something joker would never man-up to.

It must be his Spacemonkey genes rejecting his Scum-jumper genes or something that prevents him from ever being honest about anything.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

If I use the same exact "tactics" that you use, right about now I would call you a liar.  However, I really am not that way.  I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste.

A) When I offered technical help, that is off the table.  I did that because I do things like that and know many here don't know how.  I have neither bragged about it or brought it up as a talking point for or against you or anyone that may have learned something that day.  Even if ridge learned something that day, it is OK.  That is neutral territory.  I made a joke at the time about one of your images - only a joke.  Yet, some people took that as a chance to post something against me.  I never realized it might be taken the wrong way.  What is not known, I did ask if Todd could take that down once I was aware it might be a problem.  I am glad you brushed it aside.

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner. 

I try to post opinions more than any kind of derogatory remarks.  I try to offer things that are common sense.  I try to be sincere.  The heat of the moment could change some of that, which is to be expected of anyone.  I am not sure how you mean I lied to you in the above post.  I cannot agree with every single word that some other posters post.  But there is a lot of truth in their frustration with you.  You did not see me "high-five" Stack (which was closer than you know) - on the other hand I didn't jump in and plaster you to the wall as you suggest.  His posts may not be 100% accurate - but on the other hand, I am not sure it goes to the level to be called a lie and him a liar.  He didn't attack your family as you seem to think.  At least not in my opinion.  He presented a hypothetical situation and projected about your children. 

You can pick at all these words apart and find something to attack - don't expect me to jump back in.  If you have something specific that needs clearing up, ask and I'll try to explain what I meant.  But I don't want to spend another hour on a post like this, so make it short.

**************************************************************

Well, I won't be forced to keep quiet, just the same as you and others on here won't be forced.   I am not always right and I have changed some of my ideas from time to time.    However, a peaceful ending would be nice.  You don't have to agree with me - no one does.  I would never agree with you either.   But we don't have to do that to have an amicable end to some silly thread.

I actually have a life and I must attend to other things.

let's just do this the efficient way, you have 9 years of archived posts by me .

just find 1 where I ever lied about anybody,  or anything .

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Well since we're still at it here and since this is Lottery Post I'm just wondering if we could get everyone in this thread to agree that their favorite book in the Bible is the...............

Book of Numbers!

Scared

Stack47

Nobody can be this stupid!

Visiondude: "you were only wallowing in the gutter of life,  but since you went straight to a nasty purposeful lie about my family,   you moved from the gutter to the sewer."

He can't even understand what someone "like" means or what "plenty of evidence" means. It's impossible to explain to someone whose intelligent quotient is lower that his waste size that I wasn't referring to his family. However since VD did bring up his family maybe someone should ask them if they are proud of the way he butchers English grammar.

"in real life,  you wouldn't have the guts to lie about my family to my face,"

LMAO!

Just because your reading comprehension is just a notch above "Lucy's" doesn't mean I'm interested in settling this caveman style.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 25, 2011

Well since we're still at it here and since this is Lottery Post I'm just wondering if we could get everyone in this thread to agree that their favorite book in the Bible is the...............

Book of Numbers!

Scared

That's funny & As a casual observer, I agree Thumbs Up

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Yes, oh yes,  no question,  you'll see guaranteed 100%!!!

Music alone,  and what it does to one's soul is proof.  The following is A D C,  A C D, A D A D E  ALTER break A G A C D.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jun 25, 2011

Yes, oh yes,  no question,  you'll see guaranteed 100%!!!

Music alone,  and what it does to one's soul is proof.  The following is A D C,  A C D, A D A D E  ALTER break A G A C D.

Jarasan Rocks!   Thumbs Up

Stack47

Visiondude: "stack straight up lied about me"

I'm cutting you some slack because I truly believe you're intellectually challenged but continuing to call me a liar is getting old.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 25, 2011

Visiondude: "stack straight up lied about me"

I'm cutting you some slack because I truly believe you're intellectually challenged but continuing to call me a liar is getting old.

your cutting me some slack, eh?  Green laugh   

if i am "intellectually challenged",  and i can hand you your lunch with half of my brain tied behind my back,  what would that make you?

your getting "tired" because i call you what you are (poor stack),  and your above post proves that accusation.  (you lied again)

that's how you "giants of integrity" act,  when you can't handle what someone throws your way,  lie about them

your just made because i tied a weight to your pinnochio "truth detector"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 25, 2011

Nobody can be this stupid!

Visiondude: "you were only wallowing in the gutter of life,  but since you went straight to a nasty purposeful lie about my family,   you moved from the gutter to the sewer."

He can't even understand what someone "like" means or what "plenty of evidence" means. It's impossible to explain to someone whose intelligent quotient is lower that his waste size that I wasn't referring to his family. However since VD did bring up his family maybe someone should ask them if they are proud of the way he butchers English grammar.

"in real life,  you wouldn't have the guts to lie about my family to my face,"

LMAO!

Just because your reading comprehension is just a notch above "Lucy's" doesn't mean I'm interested in settling this caveman style.

 "It's impossible to explain to someone whose intelligent quotient is lower that his waste size that I wasn't referring to his family".

 liar.   unfortunately for you,  the post is still archived on page 51.

here is it's entirety.   

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite.

 go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am.

it was another attempt by you at personally discrediting me,  because your a low life,  and that's the low you so freely go to,  instead of debating the topic.

"However since VD did bring up his family maybe someone should ask them if they are proud of the way he butchers English grammar"

 proud that i am a man of integrity,   and that i don't have to lie about people like you do, while defeding my position(s) in life.

what's better,  perfect grammer playing in the gutter of life,  or butchering english on a regular basis and still maintaining integrity?

as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man.  Puke

what do you do stack when you meet someone who just moved to this country,  that assaults the english language worse than i do?    tell em they are morons?     

your just an insecure little man who can't handle his biznatch,  so you make up lame accusations about people in hopes of discrediting them.   gutter ball,  big whoop.

"caveman style".  wouldn't matter if you were 6' 6"  and i was 3' 6",  the premise was made,   that your some dude that acts all tough behind a computer,  but wouldn't have the guts to say this garbage to anybody

your a low life,   pure and simple

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jun 25, 2011

We all have cro-Magnum DNA, They have not been able to find anyone with Neanderthal Dna, They have found crossbred remains, but they didn't live very long. The Neaderthals are a different species of human and they were here long before Cro-magnum and Lucy, their origin...France...Lucy is considered modern human.

I saw a chart showing modern man, Homo Erectus, and Neanderthals sharing a common ancestor with Australopithecines. Viewing it as a family tree, it would show modern man's ancestors as Homo Habilis and Cro-magnum. There is evidence the difference between Cro-magnum and modern man is so slight that now they are referring to Cro-magnum as modern man. Evidence from remains found in caves in France suggests Cro-magnum and Neanderthals existed side by side as little as 10,000 years ago.

A complete family tree would probably show 6000 different species of Primates compared to the 187 species that exist today. Over half the branches are missing so there is still not a direct link showing a common ancestor between modern man and the other Primates. The Natural History Museum in D.C. has an extensive collection of prehistoric humanoid species (if you're interested).

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Hey Stack,  still France every day up to this conversation. Thumbs Up

 

uSED cAPITAL lETTERS aND eVERYTHING,  jUST sO yOU cAN'T tALK tRASH,  oR pICK iT aPART

NOW look AT the FIRST sentence STRUCTURE,  and HOW beautiful IT is

you MUST be VERY approving OF the MESSAGE and CONTENT now,  BECAUSE we ALL know THE grammar HAS to BE perfect,  IN order TO be "ACCEPTABLE"

                     

                      ainsi et si votre pinochio local de poste de loterie, ce n'est pas un accomplissement

Stack47

Visiondude: "go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am"

You seem to be the only one here with a reading comprehension problem and one person is not a crowd. Had you only listened to your teacher in eighth grade English, it would be clear (as it is to everybody but you) "their" refers to "someone like". Take some evening classes and maybe you can get a GED in four or five years.

Visiondude: "as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man."

It's a measurement of lack of intelligence and/or being lazy.

Visiondude: "your a low life,   pure and simple "*

I've never heard anyone over the age of twelve say that; figures.

*It's You're with a capital "Y", only one space between the comma and "pure", and you forgot a "." (period), "!" (explanation mark), or "?" (question mark) after "simple". The first lesson is free.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 26, 2011

Visiondude: "go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am"

You seem to be the only one here with a reading comprehension problem and one person is not a crowd. Had you only listened to your teacher in eighth grade English, it would be clear (as it is to everybody but you) "their" refers to "someone like". Take some evening classes and maybe you can get a GED in four or five years.

Visiondude: "as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man."

It's a measurement of lack of intelligence and/or being lazy.

Visiondude: "your a low life,   pure and simple "*

I've never heard anyone over the age of twelve say that; figures.

*It's You're with a capital "Y", only one space between the comma and "pure", and you forgot a "." (period), "!" (explanation mark), or "?" (question mark) after "simple". The first lesson is free.

You can try to teach grammer all you want Stack, but the important thing here is common sense, and you can't teach common sense to these clowns. Both Ridge and Vision lack it immensely.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 26, 2011

Visiondude: "go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am"

You seem to be the only one here with a reading comprehension problem and one person is not a crowd. Had you only listened to your teacher in eighth grade English, it would be clear (as it is to everybody but you) "their" refers to "someone like". Take some evening classes and maybe you can get a GED in four or five years.

Visiondude: "as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man."

It's a measurement of lack of intelligence and/or being lazy.

Visiondude: "your a low life,   pure and simple "*

I've never heard anyone over the age of twelve say that; figures.

*It's You're with a capital "Y", only one space between the comma and "pure", and you forgot a "." (period), "!" (explanation mark), or "?" (question mark) after "simple". The first lesson is free.

thanks to me,  everyone knows about your underhanded swipes now.

makes zero difference to me if you want to keep lying about it,  they all know exactly what you meant

it's this little slimey side door code you people use,  and your dumb enough to think it doesn't show up on anyones certainty radar

i don't bother to adjust my grammar / style,  because it lends itself to being unique,  and not some boring drip who takes lying pot shots at people,  just because he is insecure,  and can't handle his business otherwise.

me,  i don't have insecurity issues.   i don't ever get to that place where i have to lie about someoneAND

you can keep your grammar AND your pinnochio achievment award

the only word you need to understand is liar

Liar.    There,  now I capitalized it,   so now you lost your position from which to defend.

your such a pillar of truth,  if i went out and hired an english teacher to put my words and thoughts thru their professional washing machine,  you would just find something else to lie about

that's what gutter balls of life do.   they move on to the next "gutter ball"

keep thinking you have enough in the tank to best me in what really matters in life.

you don't

joker17

It's amazing how much energy Vision expends writing his Bull schmidt. The sad part is, the more he writes, everyone reading this thread will see how Vision is incapable of reason, logic, grammer, common sense, and a sense of street smart.

The hole keeps getting deeper and deeper as this puppet keeps writing.

He sits in lurk mode for as long as it takes. Sometimes months go by without someone mentioning God as the answer to their prayer or whatever. Meanwhile back at headquarters, 17,398,913 people who prayed didn't get it answered by God. Then when God is mentioned in a thread, and someone puts their two cents in, he comes out of the woodwork, like a snake waiting to leap.

So does Ridge, except that he doesn't lurk. He does his comedy routine most of the time acting as If it's unwittingly done, yet he knows It may be at someone's expense.  Yet it continues until someone mentions God as the cause of their success. And then when someone puts their two cents in, here comes the almighty protector of the Christian faith. He comes to save the day, and erradicate all the poor folks of this world who are too logical. He's tired of the witch hunts.

The great protector. Protecting the believers from the attack on Christianity.

I hate to burst his bubble, but it's not an attack on Christianity, it's an attack on stupidity.

We no longer rely on signs from the heavens to tell us how to behave next.

We no longer rely on diseases and plagues as signs of the "Whatever God at hand" not happy with us, thus punishing us.

We no longer believe the Earth is flat.

We no longer believe the universe is 6 thousand years old.

We no longer believe that we should stone folks to death for whatever.

etc.....

 

DUH....which way did he go?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

your right,  ridge and i would rather have your life Puke

here's a little ethics about how truth works,  with a bucket load of common sense throw in for validation, joker.

you keep swearing what you sell in here is "the truth". 

every one of them, "oh they are the truth,  just watch the video's"

funny how everyone of them is completely opposite of each other,  and side by side,  they would CANCEL each other out

 you change your "truth" nearly daily.

just in this thread alone,  no telling how many different "truth's" you have spit out.

after i highlighted your alien monkey business,  you left that in the dust of the earth

didn't stick with that one for very long

 

me?  same one for 30+ years

go ahead and lie to yourself that i have been "wacked" for 30+ years,  and you are still "searching"

 

it's not like your a candidate anytime soon for the go-to guy for picking what is true in life,  but how about a little thread brevity to chew on?

not one  'anti-god' scenario in here matches another. 

 everyone has come up with a hybrid version of what they thought happened, or parroted from a site that they thought sounded ballpark correct that fits what they want to believe happened

you don't find the truth of life that way,  because the truth of life isn't a custom ordered commodity.

whatever the truth is,  you adjust to it because it's right,   not because it sounds good.

you can always tell when people aren't the least bit interested in the real truth,   because it doesn't match what they want it to be

not one anti-god scenario  in agreement, even in here 

 every one has "evolutionized" their own version of it,  and evolution itself keeps evolving in it's "interpretation" whenever you discuss it with someone.

anyone that picks truth over agenda knows the basic premise of truth never changes

the historocity of Christianity has NEVER CHANGED.

from it's inception,  it basic message / premise has survived intact without changing for thousands of years.

the "many translations" arguement is rediculous,  God fully protected the integrity of the premise of His word

from it's inception,  when God spoke the world into existence,  till now

some have <snip>ized it's message in order to attempt to make it their own,  but no one has changed the premise

you AND evolution change daily,  and even within the term 'evolution" (meaning ever evolving),  it's not a compliment,  it's a  strike 3 count strike out against evolution, because you are referring to the past when attempting to debate the validity of evilution,  and neither of you can build one lasting premise without infusing a "guess" into the explanation thereof

within evilution,  there is no definitive premise

it's a mess of a guess

Christianity?  30+  years of the same EXACT definition

for every believer on this board,  they have the same rock foundation to stand upon,  on thru into eternity.

  one that never changes

 

searching,  and admitting you ARE searching = cool

guessing for the sake of searching,  part of the process, and also = cool

wildly guessing,  and selling it as "fact" = evil

 

on this subject matter,  the MOST important of all,  one things for mortuary certain,   historical facts never evolve or change

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visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

It's amazing how much energy Vision expends writing his Bull schmidt. The sad part is, the more he writes, everyone reading this thread will see how Vision is incapable of reason, logic, grammer, common sense, and a sense of street smart.

The hole keeps getting deeper and deeper as this puppet keeps writing.

He sits in lurk mode for as long as it takes. Sometimes months go by without someone mentioning God as the answer to their prayer or whatever. Meanwhile back at headquarters, 17,398,913 people who prayed didn't get it answered by God. Then when God is mentioned in a thread, and someone puts their two cents in, he comes out of the woodwork, like a snake waiting to leap.

So does Ridge, except that he doesn't lurk. He does his comedy routine most of the time acting as If it's unwittingly done, yet he knows It may be at someone's expense.  Yet it continues until someone mentions God as the cause of their success. And then when someone puts their two cents in, here comes the almighty protector of the Christian faith. He comes to save the day, and erradicate all the poor folks of this world who are too logical. He's tired of the witch hunts.

The great protector. Protecting the believers from the attack on Christianity.

I hate to burst his bubble, but it's not an attack on Christianity, it's an attack on stupidity.

We no longer rely on signs from the heavens to tell us how to behave next.

We no longer rely on diseases and plagues as signs of the "Whatever God at hand" not happy with us, thus punishing us.

We no longer believe the Earth is flat.

We no longer believe the universe is 6 thousand years old.

We no longer believe that we should stone folks to death for whatever.

etc.....

 

DUH....which way did he go?

if tonight you have set aside some other newly amalgamated mess of a guess,  in favor of a side by side comparison between you and me,  lest you suffer from short term memory loss....

....your the one that stated aliens came down and inseminated apes.

i will take my chances on what people believe about me after that Green laugh

 

we know your grammar is good

perfectiming REALLY knows all about your excellant grammar.

so does truecritic and stack

joker17

Strange how creepy individuals come to a lottery site, but don't comment on the lottery. They lurk until something about God is mentioned. Then they go off on some dimented rant about fairytale blues stories.

They're like dormant viruses just waiting to find a host.

Silly brainwashed Christians. Warped minds.....

joker17

I know the truth.

I'm right, you're wrong.

You're evil, I'm not.

God planned it this way. No matter how ludicrous it sounds, it was God's will. .

Left curves....God did it intentionally...

Speed of light...God sped it up.....

Who created God?....He has an exmeption card in his wallet....

Bad things happening to good people......The Devil is to blame.....

Chaos in the world.....God's plan...

20,000 kids dying every single day........It's not God's fault Man is evil.....

Earthquakes in San Francisco......God hates fags....

No matter how good or bad, there is an answer for everything. Either God's will, or the Devil.

See how neatly wrapped everything is?

You name it, we have an answer.

UFOs.....demons....

Other religions...........Satan decieving the multitudes.....

Why do men have nipples? .........Another of God's left curves.....

Humans have tail bones..........A punishment by God....

Mudskippers........God testing us...

See, everything can be easily explained in our life repair kit. In fact, we have a special offer today only. Buy one answer, and get the second answer at half price. But you must act NOW !

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

I know the truth.

I'm right, you're wrong.

You're evil, I'm not.

God planned it this way. No matter how ludicrous it sounds, it was God's will. .

Left curves....God did it intentionally...

Speed of light...God sped it up.....

Who created God?....He has an exmeption card in his wallet....

Bad things happening to good people......The Devil is to blame.....

Chaos in the world.....God's plan...

20,000 kids dying every single day........It's not God's fault Man is evil.....

Earthquakes in San Francisco......God hates fags....

No matter how good or bad, there is an answer for everything. Either God's will, or the Devil.

See how neatly wrapped everything is?

You name it, we have an answer.

UFOs.....demons....

Other religions...........Satan decieving the multitudes.....

Why do men have nipples? .........Another of God's left curves.....

Humans have tail bones..........A punishment by God....

Mudskippers........God testing us...

See, everything can be easily explained in our life repair kit. In fact, we have a special offer today only. Buy one answer, and get the second answer at half price. But you must act NOW !

Hurray!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

Two different events,  Look at the order in the first and compare.   I can't belive that the writer

could get this confused on the same page.   I think that the life on earth was kick started and 

left to evolve.   Modifications were made from time to time until the product reached a certain

point at which time Adam was formed from this "dust of the earth."   Scientist have managed

to duplicate the building blocks of life minus the instructions.   All life on earth seems to have come

from the same set of plans with a few variations of configuration which are common in design.

When I build something new or write another program I use parts from many old projects,  most

people who know my work would have no problem identifying me as the author.  Even old pecies

of funiture built hundreds of years ago can be linked to the builder because people develop a style

of doing things.  Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think

that the same designer had a hand in them all.             

 

RL

"Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think that the same designer had a hand in them all."

I wonder where this designer got their training?

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 25, 2011

let's just do this the efficient way, you have 9 years of archived posts by me .

just find 1 where I ever lied about anybody,  or anything .

I am not going through 9 years or even anything but your current post where you lied.  I reframed from calling you a liar.  I said "I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste."

The lies that you posted are in grey - the correct reasoning or version is preceeded by a letter and a full explanation by me.  I've added minor comments to help you understand, those are in blue, below.

**********************************************************

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."  No, that is not true, I have never tried to shut you up to prevent you from posting your opinions.   See B) below for the real reason

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"  No I have never once tried to control you.  I attempted to get you to understand the situation and hoped that common sense would lead you to the same conclusions that I pointed out.  Obviously, you did not reach the same conclusions because you continued posting...see C):

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."  Another case where you are misinterpreting an issue, this time regarding your grammar, spelling, etc;...see D)...

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."  I pointed out that this statment is not 100% true and even admitted that you have a point in regards to me not making everything 100% public, because I don't believe it is the right thing to do.  I don't air all dirty laundry for everyone.  I don't try to get into arguments over who is a lying at the moment because it ends up that every post here will simply be "you're lying"..."you're a liar"...see E)...

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"  Again, pointing out to you that if your statement is even the slightest bit true, then ridge has NEVER had a grip because he skips any real content and moves straight to derogatory remarks and accuses everyone that he doesn't like...see F)...

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner.

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"You can try to teach grammer all you want..."   ~ joker ~

 

"Grammer"   LOLGreen laughLOL 

That's a classic!

We have a Christian hating illiterate iranian cab driver nutjob with a Napoleon complex and anger issues teaching us the mysteries of the universe!  LOL 

I'm a Spacemonkey!

No! I'm a Bacteria Ape!

No, wait a minute! I'm a Scum-Jumper!

Joker's a good name for him.

Cuz he's just a joke.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 26, 2011

Hurray!

Looks like somebody's happy about the latest news from New York.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 25, 2011

I saw a chart showing modern man, Homo Erectus, and Neanderthals sharing a common ancestor with Australopithecines. Viewing it as a family tree, it would show modern man's ancestors as Homo Habilis and Cro-magnum. There is evidence the difference between Cro-magnum and modern man is so slight that now they are referring to Cro-magnum as modern man. Evidence from remains found in caves in France suggests Cro-magnum and Neanderthals existed side by side as little as 10,000 years ago.

A complete family tree would probably show 6000 different species of Primates compared to the 187 species that exist today. Over half the branches are missing so there is still not a direct link showing a common ancestor between modern man and the other Primates. The Natural History Museum in D.C. has an extensive collection of prehistoric humanoid species (if you're interested).

Don't forget Ms. Sasquatch? Mrs. Bigfoot? I believe one a my wimmins definitely sasquatchy..... scratched me all up and stuff.

XGirlfriend

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

I know the truth.

I'm right, you're wrong.

You're evil, I'm not.

God planned it this way. No matter how ludicrous it sounds, it was God's will. .

Left curves....God did it intentionally...

Speed of light...God sped it up.....

Who created God?....He has an exmeption card in his wallet....

Bad things happening to good people......The Devil is to blame.....

Chaos in the world.....God's plan...

20,000 kids dying every single day........It's not God's fault Man is evil.....

Earthquakes in San Francisco......God hates fags....

No matter how good or bad, there is an answer for everything. Either God's will, or the Devil.

See how neatly wrapped everything is?

You name it, we have an answer.

UFOs.....demons....

Other religions...........Satan decieving the multitudes.....

Why do men have nipples? .........Another of God's left curves.....

Humans have tail bones..........A punishment by God....

Mudskippers........God testing us...

See, everything can be easily explained in our life repair kit. In fact, we have a special offer today only. Buy one answer, and get the second answer at half price. But you must act NOW !

well,   you added some rediculous arrogant aspect to it,  and you are confused when facing supreme confidence in a situation, and turning it into an arrogant mud sling.

but yeah,  kind of a high 5 on your part for illustraing why i can afford to be confident,  because i do have the answers.

with the exceptions of ...

(1) God didn't speed up the light,  He created the light to travel at the speed He desires.   He can mash the gas,  or tap the brakes on that issue anytime He wants.   i never said He "sped it up".   you need to pay more attention during our history lessons.

(2) God does not hate "fags" (as you call them).   He loves gay people,  so don't take your angst and turn it into HATE.

everything else is in the ballpark,  thanks for demonstrating why Christianity has been immovable since it's inception

 

not sure about the nipple thing.  we can let you specuhate on that one,  since you have some weird obsession with it

 

what is your "truth" flavor of the day?

 

how about an explanation on sasquatch + aliens,   and don't forget,  you got a little hot under the collar when i noted none of you can ever definitively define "evolution"

after i noted that,  your angst kicked into overdrive. 

why,  if your postion in life is so "cemented"?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 26, 2011

I am not going through 9 years or even anything but your current post where you lied.  I reframed from calling you a liar.  I said "I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste."

The lies that you posted are in grey - the correct reasoning or version is preceeded by a letter and a full explanation by me.  I've added minor comments to help you understand, those are in blue, below.

**********************************************************

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."  No, that is not true, I have never tried to shut you up to prevent you from posting your opinions.   See B) below for the real reason

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"  No I have never once tried to control you.  I attempted to get you to understand the situation and hoped that common sense would lead you to the same conclusions that I pointed out.  Obviously, you did not reach the same conclusions because you continued posting...see C):

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."  Another case where you are misinterpreting an issue, this time regarding your grammar, spelling, etc;...see D)...

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."  I pointed out that this statment is not 100% true and even admitted that you have a point in regards to me not making everything 100% public, because I don't believe it is the right thing to do.  I don't air all dirty laundry for everyone.  I don't try to get into arguments over who is a lying at the moment because it ends up that every post here will simply be "you're lying"..."you're a liar"...see E)...

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"  Again, pointing out to you that if your statement is even the slightest bit true, then ridge has NEVER had a grip because he skips any real content and moves straight to derogatory remarks and accuses everyone that he doesn't like...see F)...

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner.

not to worry,  i have something for you as well later on,  truecritic

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jun 26, 2011

Don't forget Ms. Sasquatch? Mrs. Bigfoot? I believe one a my wimmins definitely sasquatchy..... scratched me all up and stuff.

XGirlfriend

Sasquatch?

That specimen is clearly 50% sasquatch at the most, 25% Spacemonkey, 23% Puddle-Piddler and 2% Bacteria Ape.

Dead ringer for an old ex-mother-in-law of mine though.

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 26, 2011

not to worry,  i have something for you as well later on,  truecritic

Please bear in mind what I said peviously: If I go right, you don't like it.  If I go left, you don't like it.  If I stand still, you don't like it.  No matter what anyone says to you, you don't like it.

With that in mind, if you are going to make comments regarding my post and what I said and my explanation of what everything that I said means, then it better be in the form of:

1) OK, I understand

2) I don't understand...XXX  (and then ask a specific question).  And I will try to answer you.

If you simply don't like what I said and you want to argue, you are on your own.  Don't expect me to keep explaining the truth to you.  I originated what I said, I know what I meant and I explained what I meant, you are not competent to tell me what I meant.  That's like going to the art museum and explaining what van Gogh meant when he painted a picture - as if you and you alone always know the truth and the artist doesn't know what he meant at all.

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 26, 2011

well,   you added some rediculous arrogant aspect to it,  and you are confused when facing supreme confidence in a situation, and turning it into an arrogant mud sling.

but yeah,  kind of a high 5 on your part for illustraing why i can afford to be confident,  because i do have the answers.

with the exceptions of ...

(1) God didn't speed up the light,  He created the light to travel at the speed He desires.   He can mash the gas,  or tap the brakes on that issue anytime He wants.   i never said He "sped it up".   you need to pay more attention during our history lessons.

(2) God does not hate "fags" (as you call them).   He loves gay people,  so don't take your angst and turn it into HATE.

everything else is in the ballpark,  thanks for demonstrating why Christianity has been immovable since it's inception

 

not sure about the nipple thing.  we can let you specuhate on that one,  since you have some weird obsession with it

 

what is your "truth" flavor of the day?

 

how about an explanation on sasquatch + aliens,   and don't forget,  you got a little hot under the collar when i noted none of you can ever definitively define "evolution"

after i noted that,  your angst kicked into overdrive. 

why,  if your postion in life is so "cemented"?

not sure about the nipple thing.  we can let you specuhate on that one

my daughter says it's so man can get breast implants to feed their kids. ha ha ha

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 26, 2011

not sure about the nipple thing.  we can let you specuhate on that one

my daughter says it's so man can get breast implants to feed their kids. ha ha ha

seems almost fair in that request.    i did change diapers all the time,  but that's as far as i wanted / needed to go.

remember,  men DO get breast implants,  and that's why we have jerry springer

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

ok,  here is the deal.   i have been thinking about this back and forth mess for 2 days, praying about it, etc.

and although i have zero problem "debating" anyone on any subject matter for as long as it takes,  no matter how heavy it gets,  or how "many" people come after me,  i am totally 100% fine with those scenario's.

no one can detour me from what i know is the right thing to do at that moment,  and when i am in the midst of these  rodeo's,  for me,  the ultimate motivation is defending the right to talk about God,  Christianity,  et all.

not a crow bar presence,  but you can bet my motivation in here was always to maintain an equal ability to express and exchange ideas about God.

whenever someone attempted to shut that down,  i would bring out visiondude 2.0,  in order to maintain the line,  and nothing more.

that being said,  what has made me think is that not that there is any lack of wind in my sails,  i can "defend" until my dying breath,  but instead,  the selfishness of those that do believe,  and watch from a distance and say nothing.

God equips people for different scenario's in life, and so the having to be the "bad cop" is what i am particularly equipped for.

but it is every believers responsibility at some point to actually demonstrate gratitude to God for giving you the free gift of eternal life by speaking up,  and taking a stand to at minimum defend an equal voice.

despite 100,000 members,  there are a ton of believers that read these rodeo's,  and say nothing.

you don't have to come close to doing what i do,  because you are most likely not equipped for it,  but not adding your .03 just because you are afraid of what people will think of you after you do,  on an anonymous board = not cool

Jesus Christ gave you life,  and you cannot even take a small public stand for Him?

just a scosch.   just enough to not let these people run amok uncontested,  so that they define to society what "god" is.

like i said,  i don't mind doing it all,  and trust me,  i am not tired of doing it.

but,  what i got to thinking was how important it is to sometimes pull back,  and make an allowance to see what happens when good people do nothing. 

 God says "my Spirit will not always strive with man".....which basically means that God will only "remind" people for so long,  and then after awhile,  if His creation still refuses,  He will pull back,  and allow themselves to be overtaken with whatever they were SUPPOSED to be contending against.  we see this "slide" happening in society today.

so i was considering / praying about a permanent resignation from LP,  and on the way to church this morning i was discussing with my wife,  and my motivation thereof.

then,  at church,  while the worship is going on,  this one guy stands up alone when everyone else is seated, and lifts his hands while he is singing.

this isn't some pentacostal church,  people hardly ever do that there.

what was significant in reference to what i was potentionally deciding to do,  was it was one guy among approx 400 people.

one guy had the guts to stand, while everyone else stayed seated      pretty mind blowing significant.

add to that,  todays message was about Christ being silent during His accusers little agenda driven tirade on the way to the cross.

God doesn't have to tell me twice what He wants, i always know

so,  effective today,    i am resigning my membership at LP for good. 

 you have my word, i won't come back in some other screename persona.

i will sit on the sidelines and observe .

the only time you will ever see me post again is a one time only stint,  to demonstrate what i have been contending all along,  that God is real.

if i am right (and i have never been wrong in this arena in my life yet) ,  and when i do win the lottery,  i will post a pic of the winning ticket. 

other than that,  the season of my influence at lottery post is over.

believers,  you don't have to do what i do,  but you NOT standing up for Christ will cost you over time.

you cannot expect to keep a gift like that to yourself,  and the parable of the talents let's us now what they "payment" will be

VISION

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

Strange how creepy individuals come to a lottery site, but don't comment on the lottery. They lurk until something about God is mentioned. Then they go off on some dimented rant about fairytale blues stories.

They're like dormant viruses just waiting to find a host.

Silly brainwashed Christians. Warped minds.....

"Silly brainwashed Christians. Warped minds....."

 

Yeah, those dam Christians, beating women all the time, killing their daughters for dressing too "western", mutilating the genitalia of their two year old daughters so they "behave" when they get older.

You're right, those Christians have some warped minds.

Those Christians are crazy.

I'm so glad you're here to warn us about those crazy Christians.

Thanks ever so much. 

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 26, 2011

ok,  here is the deal.   i have been thinking about this back and forth mess for 2 days, praying about it, etc.

and although i have zero problem "debating" anyone on any subject matter for as long as it takes,  no matter how heavy it gets,  or how "many" people come after me,  i am totally 100% fine with those scenario's.

no one can detour me from what i know is the right thing to do at that moment,  and when i am in the midst of these  rodeo's,  for me,  the ultimate motivation is defending the right to talk about God,  Christianity,  et all.

not a crow bar presence,  but you can bet my motivation in here was always to maintain an equal ability to express and exchange ideas about God.

whenever someone attempted to shut that down,  i would bring out visiondude 2.0,  in order to maintain the line,  and nothing more.

that being said,  what has made me think is that not that there is any lack of wind in my sails,  i can "defend" until my dying breath,  but instead,  the selfishness of those that do believe,  and watch from a distance and say nothing.

God equips people for different scenario's in life, and so the having to be the "bad cop" is what i am particularly equipped for.

but it is every believers responsibility at some point to actually demonstrate gratitude to God for giving you the free gift of eternal life by speaking up,  and taking a stand to at minimum defend an equal voice.

despite 100,000 members,  there are a ton of believers that read these rodeo's,  and say nothing.

you don't have to come close to doing what i do,  because you are most likely not equipped for it,  but not adding your .03 just because you are afraid of what people will think of you after you do,  on an anonymous board = not cool

Jesus Christ gave you life,  and you cannot even take a small public stand for Him?

just a scosch.   just enough to not let these people run amok uncontested,  so that they define to society what "god" is.

like i said,  i don't mind doing it all,  and trust me,  i am not tired of doing it.

but,  what i got to thinking was how important it is to sometimes pull back,  and make an allowance to see what happens when good people do nothing. 

 God says "my Spirit will not always strive with man".....which basically means that God will only "remind" people for so long,  and then after awhile,  if His creation still refuses,  He will pull back,  and allow themselves to be overtaken with whatever they were SUPPOSED to be contending against.  we see this "slide" happening in society today.

so i was considering / praying about a permanent resignation from LP,  and on the way to church this morning i was discussing with my wife,  and my motivation thereof.

then,  at church,  while the worship is going on,  this one guy stands up alone when everyone else is seated, and lifts his hands while he is singing.

this isn't some pentacostal church,  people hardly ever do that there.

what was significant in reference to what i was potentionally deciding to do,  was it was one guy among approx 400 people.

one guy had the guts to stand, while everyone else stayed seated      pretty mind blowing significant.

add to that,  todays message was about Christ being silent during His accusers little agenda driven tirade on the way to the cross.

God doesn't have to tell me twice what He wants, i always know

so,  effective today,    i am resigning my membership at LP for good. 

 you have my word, i won't come back in some other screename persona.

i will sit on the sidelines and observe .

the only time you will ever see me post again is a one time only stint,  to demonstrate what i have been contending all along,  that God is real.

if i am right (and i have never been wrong in this arena in my life yet) ,  and when i do win the lottery,  i will post a pic of the winning ticket. 

other than that,  the season of my influence at lottery post is over.

believers,  you don't have to do what i do,  but you NOT standing up for Christ will cost you over time.

you cannot expect to keep a gift like that to yourself,  and the parable of the talents let's us now what they "payment" will be

VISION

visiondude,

 "...pretty mind blowing significant."

I will admit, complete surprise at your decision.  I understand you thought about it, discussed it with family and made the decision.  In my mind, you are not going out in defeat, you are walking out standing tall with your beliefs intact. 

There are going to be times you are bored and perhaps want to comment, should you have a weak moment and decide to post, I'd fully understand.  Rather than you leaving, I would be happy to see the end of these 50+ page "long discussions" containing a wide variety of attacks.  But that's just me.   I'm sure Todd will keep your membership polished and ready if you ever decide to poke your head in again.

I'll be looking forward to seeing a pic of your winning ticket - perhaps in a photo with you at the French Riviera.

truecritic

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 26, 2011

"Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think that the same designer had a hand in them all."

I wonder where this designer got their training?

Jimbo

You sound as if you think God is a person.  God is a spirit but since you don't have an idea of what a spirit is try

thinking like this.  If I say the "spirit of America"; would you think of a airplane, a ghost, or the drive behind the

men and women of this country?   God is life from lifelessness,  where God is life will abound.  We all know good

from evil but most of us practice both.  People drink, smoke, take drugs, drive unsafe and countless other things

that are anti-life so if I say that the spirit of life says don't do these things then I am labeled a silly christian. 

Where does a  thought come from,  and don't say the brain.   When someone says God told him/her to do something

you may laugh but If I am driving down the street and see someone down on their luck so to speak and I hear a voice

or a thought comes that says I need to try and help that person, Is that the Spirit of life;  I say yes.   I can't vouch for

how others view God but I had a friend who took seven slugs in the chest while trying to stop a fight and was pronounced

dead.   He came too with the tag on his foot in the morgue.  He says that all he can remember was being in darkness. 

He was not a Christian and did not beleive in God at the time.   I wonder if God does not exist then who pushed the

START button.  Nothing just happends.

 

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 26, 2011

visiondude,

 "...pretty mind blowing significant."

I will admit, complete surprise at your decision.  I understand you thought about it, discussed it with family and made the decision.  In my mind, you are not going out in defeat, you are walking out standing tall with your beliefs intact. 

There are going to be times you are bored and perhaps want to comment, should you have a weak moment and decide to post, I'd fully understand.  Rather than you leaving, I would be happy to see the end of these 50+ page "long discussions" containing a wide variety of attacks.  But that's just me.   I'm sure Todd will keep your membership polished and ready if you ever decide to poke your head in again.

I'll be looking forward to seeing a pic of your winning ticket - perhaps in a photo with you at the French Riviera.

truecritic

"I would be happy to see the end of these 50+ page "long discussions"

Yes, we all know that.

More classic truecricket wanting to shut people up if they don't agree with him.

There was another guy like you back in history. He banned certain words like you would like to do. He even banned certain books and burned them to be sure nobody could get the other side of the story. He only wanted his side heard. Yeah, you and Hitler have a lot in common, don't you?

How about a different tack, princess?

How about if you're so offended, you simply don't read this thread?

Why couldn't you do that? Nobody is forcing you to read this.

Why do you want everybody prohibited from reading it just because you don't like it?

Can't wait to hear your liberal gibberish explaining that.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

visiondude

Have you ever wondered why, when Peter was on the roof and seen the vision that the sheet gathered

up the beast of the field so to speak.  Peter considered these unclean but God told him "What God hath

cleansed, that call not thou common."  The Hebrew's considered non Hebrews unclean and as beast.  I

think this has been overlooked but could tie many things togeather.  Just my opinion.

RL

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 26, 2011

"I would be happy to see the end of these 50+ page "long discussions"

Yes, we all know that.

More classic truecricket wanting to shut people up if they don't agree with him.

There was another guy like you back in history. He banned certain words like you would like to do. He even banned certain books and burned them to be sure nobody could get the other side of the story. He only wanted his side heard. Yeah, you and Hitler have a lot in common, don't you?

How about a different tack, princess?

How about if you're so offended, you simply don't read this thread?

Why couldn't you do that? Nobody is forcing you to read this.

Why do you want everybody prohibited from reading it just because you don't like it?

Can't wait to hear your liberal gibberish explaining that.

You are so busy attacking other members you did not even take the time to read visiondude's post to understand the context of truecritic's response. Pathetic.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 26, 2011

You are so busy attacking other members you did not even take the time to read visiondude's post to understand the context of truecritic's response. Pathetic.

Hey, you called me pathetic.

Isn't that name calling?

Isn't that a personal attack?

Read the first rule in your signature.

Please follow the rules from now on.

And stop stalking me, I like women.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 26, 2011

Hey, you called me pathetic.

Isn't that name calling?

Isn't that a personal attack?

Read the first rule in your signature.

Please follow the rules from now on.

And stop stalking me, I like women.

I was referring to your behavior as pathetic. You appear to have a comprehension problem. What was your highest level of education?

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Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 26, 2011

I was referring to your behavior as pathetic. You appear to have a comprehension problem. What was your highest level of education?

Well I was referring to your behavior too when you and truecricket were painting each other's toe nails and talking baby talk to each other.

That's not healthy!

 

My highest level of education?

Second floor.

Stack47

Visiondude: "and although i have zero problem "debating" anyone on any subject matter for as long as it takes,"

Come back and try again AFTER you mastered reading comprehension and then maybe the debates will be limited to the pros and cons of the topic. Had you read and understood my posts on the origin of modern man, you would know that I never said man evolved from apes. You should know that not all Christians read the Old Testament as being literal and many have no problem with a 13.5 billion year old Universe, a 4 billion year old Earth, or that it took millions of years for modern man to develop into what they became.

Genesis has many examples of how the development of man changed and one can only guess how different those stories would be if the writers had known about caves in France or known what was beyond the stars they saw at night..

Visiondude: "but you can bet my motivation in here was always to maintain an equal ability to express and exchange ideas about God."

With thousands of religious and Christian message boards and chat rooms on the web, a Lottery based forum is the last place most people would expect to see debates about God. Some of the most heated debates I saw on Christian boards were Christian vs Christian.

Visiondude: " and when i do win the lottery,  i will post a pic of the winning ticket."

Now that's more like it and will be one post from you that I'm looking forward to reading!

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 26, 2011

Well I was referring to your behavior too when you and truecricket were painting each other's toe nails and talking baby talk to each other.

That's not healthy!

 

My highest level of education?

Second floor.

More of the same - lies and insults.

Please follow the Lottery Post rules.

joker17

Awww, so sad Vision. I was having so much fun making fun of a brainwashed robot. I just hope Ridge doesn't leave. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. I haven't had this much fun for a long time. I do have to say though, it was an unfair advantage that I had, but fun nevertheless.

Hey Vision, maybe if you decide to come back, bring some proof with you next time would ya?.....

 

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joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 26, 2011

More of the same - lies and insults.

Please follow the Lottery Post rules.

The only rules Ridge follows belong in an old book written by ignorant old men. Oh the Irony......

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Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 26, 2011

More of the same - lies and insults.

Please follow the Lottery Post rules.

Be happy I talk to you little guy, nobody else wants to.

You exhibit weirdo behavior.

So please stop trying to engage me in conversation.

I've told you repeatedly - I like women.

Now take off, hoser.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

The only rules Ridge follows belong in an old book written by ignorant old men. Oh the Irony......

Hey, look who's here!

Beat up any women today?

joker17

I would love to shut Ridge up but it's against the law. Oh well, maybe one day, If we're lucky enough, a drunk will run a red light.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

The only rules Ridge follows belong in an old book written by ignorant old men. Oh the Irony......

No, actually you're wrong about that.

I don't follow the rules written by those ignorant old men in that third-world stone-age hell-hole you came from.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

I would love to shut Ridge up but it's against the law. Oh well, maybe one day, If we're lucky enough, a drunk will run a red light.

I'd love to see the day some runt cab driver could shut me up.   LOL

My, my, my but you have the anger issues, don't you?

You still haven't had a bath this month, have you?

joker17

Hopefully Ridge will go to church next Sunday and have an epiphany and also leave. But I know he won't because viruses don't go away easily. They fester and make people ill until they throw up.

Excuse me folks, I gotta run to the bathroom. I'll be right back....Puke 

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

I would love to shut Ridge up but it's against the law. Oh well, maybe one day, If we're lucky enough, a drunk will run a red light.

You'd be more likely to blow yourself up in a crowd of innocent women and children.

More your style.

joker17

Just to the folks who may be reading this. The one major difference between Ridge and I is when I write about him, I'm correct. What he writes Is incorrect. 

I'm not a terrorist wannabe who beats women and lives in a cave.

On the other hand, It's true that Ridge is a drunkard Christian wannabe hypocrite, hating racist. I don't think even Ridge will disagree with me on that one.

Denial is a bitch.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 26, 2011

Jimbo

You sound as if you think God is a person.  God is a spirit but since you don't have an idea of what a spirit is try

thinking like this.  If I say the "spirit of America"; would you think of a airplane, a ghost, or the drive behind the

men and women of this country?   God is life from lifelessness,  where God is life will abound.  We all know good

from evil but most of us practice both.  People drink, smoke, take drugs, drive unsafe and countless other things

that are anti-life so if I say that the spirit of life says don't do these things then I am labeled a silly christian. 

Where does a  thought come from,  and don't say the brain.   When someone says God told him/her to do something

you may laugh but If I am driving down the street and see someone down on their luck so to speak and I hear a voice

or a thought comes that says I need to try and help that person, Is that the Spirit of life;  I say yes.   I can't vouch for

how others view God but I had a friend who took seven slugs in the chest while trying to stop a fight and was pronounced

dead.   He came too with the tag on his foot in the morgue.  He says that all he can remember was being in darkness. 

He was not a Christian and did not beleive in God at the time.   I wonder if God does not exist then who pushed the

START button.  Nothing just happends.

 

RL

I appreciate your effort to instruct.  Perhaps you helped someone.

However, I was just being sarcastic...

I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that when most of my efforts in this area have been to open people's eyes to the fact that they are attributing human characteristics to God.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

Just to the folks who may be reading this. The one major difference between Ridge and I is when I write about him, I'm correct. What he writes Is incorrect. 

I'm not a terrorist wannabe who beats women and lives in a cave.

On the other hand, It's true that Ridge is a drunkard Christian wannabe hypocrite, hating racist. I don't think even Ridge will disagree with me on that one.

Denial is a bitch.

Oh, everybody knows you're always correct. Yes Nod

You were correct about the Spacemonkeys. Yes Nod

You were correct about the Bacteria Apes.Yes Nod

You were correct about the Puddle-Piddlers. Yes Nod

You were correct about the Martians making sweet love with the monkeys.Yes Nod

You were correct about buying the sure-thing dog racing system.Yes Nod

You were correct about buying every single crackpot, snakeoil, hocus-pocus, mumbo-jumbo, fraudulent system that anybody ever mentioned in your desperate attempt to get back some of the fortune you've blown chasing the fortune you've blown. Yes Nod

Yeah, you've been correct about a lotta stuff.  LOL

joker17

I think I'm starting to believe Ridge. He's right afterall....

The Christian religion is the true religion for anyone to enter heaven. You see, I got to thinking, all those other thousands of religions who also claim to be the right ones are just misguided.

My bad, what was I thinking.

Thanx Ridge.

joker17

BTW Ridge, I almost forgot. I have to admit I wasn't all that good this week. Which denomination would you suggest? And what type of priest would you recommend as a good listener in the booth on a Sunday worship?

And after the service, hopefully I've learned not to repeat my wicked ways the following week. I don't want to take advantage of the confession process.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

Just to the folks who may be reading this. The one major difference between Ridge and I is when I write about him, I'm correct. What he writes Is incorrect. 

I'm not a terrorist wannabe who beats women and lives in a cave.

On the other hand, It's true that Ridge is a drunkard Christian wannabe hypocrite, hating racist. I don't think even Ridge will disagree with me on that one.

Denial is a bitch.

"I'm not a terrorist wannabe who beats women..."

 

Oh, so if you were a terrorist who beats women you would tell us, right?

Just like your heroes who flew into the towers. They told us, right?

joker17

Hey folks...I just saw a shooting star outside of the house on a cigarette break. I have this strange feeling it was a sign from God. I don't know how to interpret this event, but it MUST mean it's from God. It has to be, what else could it possibly be?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

BTW Ridge, I almost forgot. I have to admit I wasn't all that good this week. Which denomination would you suggest? And what type of priest would you recommend as a good listener in the booth on a Sunday worship?

And after the service, hopefully I've learned not to repeat my wicked ways the following week. I don't want to take advantage of the confession process.

Just let me pour some pig blood on your head and you'll be fine.  LOL

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

Hey folks...I just saw a shooting star outside of the house on a cigarette break. I have this strange feeling it was a sign from God. I don't know how to interpret this event, but it MUST mean it's from God. It has to be, what else could it possibly be?

Maybe it was the Ahmadinejad Constellation.

You know, the one where the goat is having his way with him?  LOL

joker17

I just saw the word "Bullshmidt" 3 times in a row. Once on the TV, the other in a magazine, and the last one while surfing the net. This MUST mean that the CHRISTIAN God is the correct one. Why?....I don't know, I just have this really good feeling in my chest. And I got this tingle down my spine. Don't doubt me, I truly know what I saw was the truth.  All this happened within the last 5 minutes.

Pretty incredible folks. I wonder what this all means. First the shooting star, and now this.

Hey Vision....wait don't go. I see the light now....

joker17

What's the number for burping 5 times? Anyone know?

joker17

Hey Ridge, I've got some stocks I want to sell you. Really cheap I say. I'll throw in a set of knives.

Also, can you give a donation to the Reverand Joe? He's in my local ministry. He said it was cool If I collected the money. Really...

I'll PM my address so you can wire the money. It's for a good cause, and helps spread the word of God.

You're not obligated. Sleep over it...

joker17

Dummy me, all these years I've been busting my ass working for a living. What a dummy....

I think I'll start a Church. The Church of Christians.

Any donations will be appreciated. This is a fledgling company......ooops...I meant fledgling Church.

I will try to resolve the logistical nightmare of the formation of this Church. I'll need volunteers to help around. So please consider this when filling out the application.

Interviews will be held this coming Wednesday, 10:00 AM through 3:00 PM. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

joker17

So many holes, so little time.

I'm sure Ridge and Vision would agree that the chemical composition for water, According to the SCIENTISTS is H20 , unless you're having an argument with someone about TRUTH.

But when religion is fused into the conversation, then and only then have the scientists gone wrong in their findings. Now they don't really understand the big picture. In this scenario they're idiots, not worthy of discussion. It's so convenient. 

I'll believe a welder when he assures me that the submarine I'm riding in won't sink, but I won't believe him If he argues with me about life. I'll simply accuse him of things that aren't true. Maybe the audience will see how much integrity I have. I'll keep making witty remarks until I become the biggest fool of all of time. Yeah, that's the ticket....

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

What's the number for burping 5 times? Anyone know?

LOL Green laugh

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jun 27, 2011

LOL Green laugh

Maybe 5?........

LOL....hee hee...

Gotta love it.

I came here tonight after work imagining 3 pages of debates, but all I saw was your response. Maybe the debate is over....lol

So what's the conclusion?

Vision departs and lurks in the backround.

Ridge got tired of making "Abusive Iranian men" remarks and stopped replying.

All I can say is ELEPHANT EYEBROWS.....!

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

Maybe 5?........

LOL....hee hee...

Gotta love it.

I came here tonight after work imagining 3 pages of debates, but all I saw was your response. Maybe the debate is over....lol

So what's the conclusion?

Vision departs and lurks in the backround.

Ridge got tired of making "Abusive Iranian men" remarks and stopped replying.

All I can say is ELEPHANT EYEBROWS.....!

Actually, Ridge got bored with you.

I can only read nuanced versions of the same old tripe so many times before my eyes glaze over.

But don't worry, I'll still be here when you attack and ridicule the little old Christian ladies for mentioning Jesus.

You can make your own women obey you and wear those bags over their heads and cover their ankles and believe what you say if you want.

But that sh*t ain't gonna fly here, pally.

joker17

Coming from a brainwashed loser like Ridge. His eyes glaze over everytime he opens his trap. Ridge, the poor Christian wannabe.

 I don't need to ridicule little old ladies, I'm doing a good job with you.

You're dumbass comments are doing all the dirty work for me.

Hit With Stick

joker17

Hey Ridge, What are you gonna leave for Santa this coming Christmas? .....Green laugh

DUH....I believe in old wives tales cause I'm a no-brainer kind a guy. No Brains...get it?

And by the way, Batman is ALSO not real...Crazy

joker17

I just got this great Idea thanx to Vision. 

I just realized that Vision's (3 year) France thingy is nothing compared to what I've been seeing for the past 30 years or more.

Every single day 20,000 kids die prematurely around the world.

Does this count as a divine contact?

joker17

Looney Tunes.....

 

 

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Hey Ridge, What are you gonna leave for Santa this coming Christmas? .....Green laugh

DUH....I believe in old wives tales cause I'm a no-brainer kind a guy. No Brains...get it?

And by the way, Batman is ALSO not real...Crazy

Go have another box of that fine wine with the hose on it, joker.

Then read your last few posts tomorrow when you sober up.

Maybe you'll understand why I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

I'd get better debate from a two year old.

Grow up.

joker17

I think the Pet Rock is the real God. That's it, I've made up my mind. I'm praying to my pet rock.

And if anyone insults my rock, I'm gonna make sure I become as annoying as possible.....maybe they'll go away...

The Almighty Pet Rock....YOU RULE !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

I just got this great Idea thanx to Vision. 

I just realized that Vision's (3 year) France thingy is nothing compared to what I've been seeing for the past 30 years or more.

Every single day 20,000 kids die prematurely around the world.

Does this count as a divine contact?

I wonder how many of those kids die from their iranian fathers running them over with their cars for dressing "too western"?

I wonder how many die from botched genitalia mutilation performed on 2 year old girls by their iranian fathers to make sure they "behave" when they grow up?

I wonder how many of them die from being stoned to death by their own iranian parents for being the victims of rape?

 

Yeah joker, please lecture the little old Christian ladies on how stupid and backward they are, a--hole.

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I made a wish upon a star
That I could have a brand new car
Got tired of wishing
So I stole one

Seventeen and knew it all
My dreams were big but my thoughts were small
So many roads somehow I chose
The wrong one

But Jesus and Mama always loved me
Even when the devil took control
Jesus and Mama always loved me
This I know

I felt tried most all my life
Found new kinds of lows and highs
Never been a husband but I had a lot of wives
To hold me

Headstrong, stubborn, couldn't be told
Like a wild horse that couldn't be rode
A rainbow chaser hungry for gold
And still searchin'

But Jesus and Mama always loved me

Even when the devil took control

Jesus and Mama always loved me

This I know

I wish Mom could see me now
And how I've turned it all around
Lately I've been going down
The right road

Life's a picture that you paint
With blues and grays and cans and can'ts
Heaven knows I'm not a saint
But I know

Jesus and Mama always loved me

Even when the devil took control

Jesus and Mama always loved me

This I know.

 

~Confederate Railroad~

joker17

A friend of mine surprised me recently and told me he believes in Gobblins. I thought he was joking, but now I believe he really means it.

What's the best way of telling him he's an idiot without hurting his feelings?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

A friend of mine surprised me recently and told me he believes in Gobblins. I thought he was joking, but now I believe he really means it.

What's the best way of telling him he's an idiot without hurting his feelings?

I don't know joker, but I'm sure you'll think of something.

Because your culture and your iranian pride dictate that you tell everyone else how stupid they are for not believing what you believe.

You're our own little Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

You make us so proud.

joker17
Question:  I've seen small clips online about a documentary talking about religion. In there, a tribe worships planes that fly over-head. Anyone familiar with this?

Please and thank you in advance,
Manni
 
 
 
Answer:
 
Yes, there are tribes called "cargo cults" that really worship airplanes. The concept of Cargo Cults has been around for a while. It's used to describe a few different groups of natives in the South Pacific who became a bit confused following World War II. During the war, they saw the military use their islands for air drops and base stations. After the war ended, they wanted to keep the "cargo" coming, even though the foreign military forces had all left. Realizing that the cargo came when those foreigners did certain things, they copied everything they remembered, setting up mock airstrips, building airplanes out of straw and even wearing wooden headphones in control towers that communicated with no real planes. The end result, of course, was that the cargo didn't come. The islanders copied what they saw, but never understood what was really happening.

A video of an African cargo cult can be found here:
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Question:  I've seen small clips online about a documentary talking about religion. In there, a tribe worships planes that fly over-head. Anyone familiar with this?

Please and thank you in advance,
Manni
 
 
 
Answer:
 
Yes, there are tribes called "cargo cults" that really worship airplanes. The concept of Cargo Cults has been around for a while. It's used to describe a few different groups of natives in the South Pacific who became a bit confused following World War II. During the war, they saw the military use their islands for air drops and base stations. After the war ended, they wanted to keep the "cargo" coming, even though the foreign military forces had all left. Realizing that the cargo came when those foreigners did certain things, they copied everything they remembered, setting up mock airstrips, building airplanes out of straw and even wearing wooden headphones in control towers that communicated with no real planes. The end result, of course, was that the cargo didn't come. The islanders copied what they saw, but never understood what was really happening.

A video of an African cargo cult can be found here:

Wow, talk about racism. Can't believe you put that up there.

Unbelievable.

You're better than everybody, we get the message.

But you don't have to be so insulting to anybody who's not like you.

We're all human beings.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

I think the Pet Rock is the real God. That's it, I've made up my mind. I'm praying to my pet rock.

And if anyone insults my rock, I'm gonna make sure I become as annoying as possible.....maybe they'll go away...

The Almighty Pet Rock....YOU RULE !

Actually, you're already quite annoying.

joker17

I know the truth hurts baby cakes...I know...It'll be ok...

joker17

Now it's confirmed that Ridge can't read.

Ok, first lesson....Repeat after me.....SEE DICK AND JANE RUN....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

I know the truth hurts baby cakes...I know...It'll be ok...

The truth is that you  are a racist and a sexist who likes to push women around.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

The truth is that you  are a racist and a sexist who likes to push women around.

I've never seen a loser bigger than you.

Unfounded lies and more lies.

You must be running out of ammunition to try turning the tables on me. What a pathetic attempt.

Why don't you just drink a bottle of Drano and relieve your misery once in for all.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

The truth is that you  are a racist and a sexist who likes to push women around.

Poor Ridge, You have a lot of dirty laundry to confess this coming Sunday. I'd hate to be that person in the booth. After about the 4th hour, Id leave and let you talk to yourself.

I think you talked me into it Ridge. I'm becoming a Christian so I can do whatever I want and then simply go to church and wipe the slate clean. What a bargain. What was I thinking...What?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Poor Ridge, You have a lot of dirty laundry to confess this coming Sunday. I'd hate to be that person in the booth. After about the 4th hour, Id leave and let you talk to yourself.

I think you talked me into it Ridge. I'm becoming a Christian so I can do whatever I want and then simply go to church and wipe the slate clean. What a bargain. What was I thinking...What?

We overcame the Romans, joker. They threw us to the lions.

I think we just might be able to overcome a racist, sexist, woman abusing, runt iranian cab driver like you.

Get over yourself.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

We overcame the Romans, joker. They threw us to the lions.

I think we just might be able to overcome a racist, sexist, woman abusing, runt iranian cab driver like you.

Get over yourself.

If you were able to watch the video I posted, there would be a very tiny possibility your little mind may see the significance of the tribe's unwillingness to give up waiting for the planes to arrive, but I highly doubt you have the mental capacity, considering you're so brainwashed beyond repair.

There's a film crew there recording what they do, and I'm assuming an effort was made either by the crew or many before them to enilighten the tribe by telling them that the plane will not return, yet they ignore everyone because they want to believe a plane will come back no matter how much sense the outsiders keep POUNDING into their brains. It reminds me of Christian wannabes like you. No matter how much sense is pounded into you, you can't see the light.

Instead of responding to what I posted in an intelligent manner, which I didn't expect, and tell me how you feel about this, you come back like your old lying self. Nothing to add except cheap unfounded lies because you have nothing viable to say.

Like I said before a hundred times, and I'll keep saying another 100 times, you're nothing but a fake Christian. And a HYPOCRITE!!!

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

If you were able to watch the video I posted, there would be a very tiny possibility your little mind may see the significance of the tribe's unwillingness to give up waiting for the planes to arrive, but I highly doubt you have the mental capacity, considering you're so brainwashed beyond repair.

There's a film crew there recording what they do, and I'm assuming an effort was made either by the crew or many before them to enilighten the tribe by telling them that the plane will not return, yet they ignore everyone because they want to believe a plane will come back no matter how much sense the outsiders keep POUNDING into their brains. It reminds me of Christian wannabes like you. No matter how much sense is pounded into you, you can't see the light.

Instead of responding to what I posted in an intelligent manner, which I didn't expect, and tell me how you feel about this, you come back like your old lying self. Nothing to add except cheap unfounded lies because you have nothing viable to say.

Like I said before a hundred times, and I'll keep saying another 100 times, you're nothing but a fake Christian. And a HYPOCRITE!!!

Everyone knows why you posted that racially insensitive and insulting video, joker.

For some sick, twisted, warped reason, it makes you feel good about yourself.

Let's not kid each other.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Everyone knows why you posted that racially insensitive and insulting video, joker.

For some sick, twisted, warped reason, it makes you feel good about yourself.

Let's not kid each other.

The content of the video is the only part you should concentrate, not the links at the end. This was the only video I could find. I disagree with the what it writes at the end.

But I knew you couldn't figure that out. I had to explain it like I do to a little child. So sad that I have to explain such trivial things.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

The content of the video is the only part you should concentrate, not the links at the end. This was the only video I could find. I disagree with the what it writes at the end.

But I knew you couldn't figure that out. I had to explain it like I do to a little child. So sad that I have to explain such trivial things.

You're a little late on the cop-out excuses for your racism, joker.

You've been exposed for what you are - a racist.

You should apologize and get help.

I would recommend Diversity and Sensitivity Training classes.

You're pathetic.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

You're a little late on the cop-out excuses for your racism, joker.

You've been exposed for what you are - a racist.

You should apologize and get help.

I would recommend Diversity and Sensitivity Training classes.

You're pathetic.

You're the only cop-out. Maybe you should admit you are a Christian wannabe and get some help.

Don't try to turn the tables on me cause it ain't gonna work loser. Anyone can go back in the threads and clearly see you ranting unfounded racist remarks about me. You're just hoping they won't go back and read the crap that came out of that dirty mouth with no teeth left.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

You're the only cop-out. Maybe you should admit you are a Christian wannabe and get some help.

Don't try to turn the tables on me cause it ain't gonna work loser. Anyone can go back in the threads and clearly see you ranting unfounded racist remarks about me. You're just hoping they won't go back and read the crap that came out of that dirty mouth with no teeth left.

I don't know if that is right or not...I think I can see two teeth in this current picture?

 

WildMan

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

You're the only cop-out. Maybe you should admit you are a Christian wannabe and get some help.

Don't try to turn the tables on me cause it ain't gonna work loser. Anyone can go back in the threads and clearly see you ranting unfounded racist remarks about me. You're just hoping they won't go back and read the crap that came out of that dirty mouth with no teeth left.

Maybe you should stop hating others (Christians) so much and you wouldn't hate yourself and your own miserable little existence so much.

You're a sick puppy.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 28, 2011

I don't know if that is right or not...I think I can see two teeth in this current picture?

 

WildMan

Congratulations, truecricket.

I hope that makes you feel better about yourself so you can let go of a little bit of that seething hatred and rage.

I don't mind being the butt of your ridicule and jokes and cultural insults if it helps you towards that goal.

Maybe joker can help you find some insulting videos about hill folk and mountain people to make you feel even better.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Maybe you should stop hating others (Christians) so much and you wouldn't hate yourself and your own miserable little existence so much.

You're a sick puppy.

I don't hate Christians, I just can't stand backward redneck asswipes like you lying about me and calling me racist names. And the only reason I'm calling you names is to remind you who started this whole racist crap. Youdon't like it do you? Meanwhile, you're nothing but a Christian wannabe who doesn't even practice what they believe in. YOU"RE NOTHING BUT A FAKE!

I have a few Christian friends, and they'd be appauled If they knew what you were writing here. Those friends would never make stuff up out of thin air just for an argument. An unfounded argumet to boot. Just because you have nothing viable to say, your cheap tricks of calling me something I'm not, is apparently your only way out.

You'll never be alble to tell If i can post an opposing view on anything not just religion. Only the owner of this site can. For some reason you can't get that because your head is far up your ass it's not funny.

Get over it, I ain't gonna stop because you said so LIAR!!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Congratulations, truecricket.

I hope that makes you feel better about yourself so you can let go of a little bit of that seething hatred and rage.

I don't mind being the butt of your ridicule and jokes and cultural insults if it helps you towards that goal.

Maybe joker can help you find some insulting videos about hill folk and mountain people to make you feel even better.

Maybe joker can help you find some insulting videos about hill folk and mountain people to make you feel even better.

 

I don't have to post a video, you're doing a fine job.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Maybe joker can help you find some insulting videos about hill folk and mountain people to make you feel even better.

 

I don't have to post a video, you're doing a fine job.

Yeah, make fun of us Christian southern people joker, we supply most of the manpower for our armed forces so little wannabe terrorists like you are free to express your hate for us.

You come from a country that could have used some opposition to religious tyranny but you cowardly ran away from there and came here to straighten us out.

What a joke you are.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Yeah, make fun of us Christian southern people joker, we supply most of the manpower for our armed forces so little wannabe terrorists like you are free to express your hate for us.

You come from a country that could have used some opposition to religious tyranny but you cowardly ran away from there and came here to straighten us out.

What a joke you are.

Don't you have to go and carve something out of wood?

You're not a Christian, you're a wannabe, don't you get it?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Don't you have to go and carve something out of wood?

You're not a Christian, you're a wannabe, don't you get it?

You're the wood carvers.

You know, those sticks you people use to beat the hell out of women in the streets for showing their ankles or their faces?

Nice barbarian culture you got there, joker.

Still ain't gonna fly here though.

Get used to it.

We'll civilize you if it's the last thing we do.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Joker you are almost beyond gone,  you will soon need restraints,  don't let your self doubt drive you insane,  when you die you will have your answer (it is just a matter of time as I have written before to pacattack),  don't sweat it so much. 

God wanted those people to win,  that's it.  They thanked God.

Whenever I win and/or something good happens I thank God.  I am like "thank you God,  again."

Do you ever thank probability,  circumstance, or your dog?  I think if someone so vehemently argues for something that is so obvoius to them,  then they wouldn't,  you HAVE doubt somewhere in that mind of yours or this topic would be mute for you.

P.S. God still loves you no matter what.  Even if no one else does. And of course, I still like you no matter what.

joker17

I don't need restraints Jarasan. I'm about to quit arguing with this moron anyways. I get tired of reminding him what an A-hole he is. it's very tiresome.

 Ridge speaks volumes about himself. He's a Racist arrogant hypocrite liar...

Despite all the heated debates I've had with you about this in the past, you've never made up lies to make yourself look better. You presented your points in opposition and I made my points. At least you are Christian that has a head on his shoulders, and doesn't need to fabricate lies.

The only doubt I have is why a lowlife like Ridge needs to police what I have to say, especially when he doesn't have the authority. I can oppose any view just like he has the right to. But he can't get it.

Thanx for the civil words. You voiced your concern on this subject, but you did it without calling me an Iranian caveman cab driver who likes to beat women. That speaks volumes about your character Jarasan.

Thanx for your input.

 

@Ridge, maybe you should try to emulate Jarasan. You could learn a thing or two.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Question:  I've seen small clips online about a documentary talking about religion. In there, a tribe worships planes that fly over-head. Anyone familiar with this?

Please and thank you in advance,
Manni
 
 
 
Answer:
 
Yes, there are tribes called "cargo cults" that really worship airplanes. The concept of Cargo Cults has been around for a while. It's used to describe a few different groups of natives in the South Pacific who became a bit confused following World War II. During the war, they saw the military use their islands for air drops and base stations. After the war ended, they wanted to keep the "cargo" coming, even though the foreign military forces had all left. Realizing that the cargo came when those foreigners did certain things, they copied everything they remembered, setting up mock airstrips, building airplanes out of straw and even wearing wooden headphones in control towers that communicated with no real planes. The end result, of course, was that the cargo didn't come. The islanders copied what they saw, but never understood what was really happening.

A video of an African cargo cult can be found here:

No, you don't get off that easy.

You need to apologize to everybody you offended with this racist video and the links at the end of it.

Do it now.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

No, you don't get off that easy.

You need to apologize to everybody you offended with this racist video and the links at the end of it.

Do it now.

You need to get your head out of your ass. Poke

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

You need to get your head out of your ass. Poke

I knew you wouldn't apologize for the racist video.

You're too proud of your imagined superiority to everyone.

You should be deported back to your tent in the desert sand.

Funny how the lower the IQ, the more likely to be a racist like you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

I knew you wouldn't apologize for the racist video.

You're too proud of your imagined superiority to everyone.

You should be deported back to your tent in the desert sand.

Funny how the lower the IQ, the more likely to be a racist like you.

It's not a racist video. It's the truth. There are a few tribes out there who are still doing this. It has nothing to do with them being black.

FAILED ONCE AGAIN LOSER !

Kind of embarrasing isn't it? Your doing the same thing, along with a billion other brainwashed humans. That's why you're so pissed. The truth hurts.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

It's not a racist video. It's the truth. There are a few tribes out there who are still doing this. It has nothing to do with them being black.

FAILED ONCE AGAIN LOSER !

Kind of embarrasing isn't it? Your doing the same thing, along with a billion other brainwashed humans. That's why you're so pissed. The truth hurts.

Don't tell me your racist video is the truth.

Tell our members that you insulted with it.

Now calm down and apologize.

We understand how you were raised. It's not completely your fault. It's your culture.

But you still have to take the first step and apologize to begin the healing process.

Do it now.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Don't tell me your racist video is the truth.

Tell our members that you insulted with it.

Now calm down and apologize.

We understand how you were raised. It's not completely your fault. It's your culture.

But you still have to take the first step and apologize to begin the healing process.

Do it now.

You're right Ridge. I'll appologize...

Folks, I'm so sorry that Ridge is such a dumbass.

Are you happy now?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Don't tell me your racist video is the truth.

Tell our members that you insulted with it.

Now calm down and apologize.

We understand how you were raised. It's not completely your fault. It's your culture.

But you still have to take the first step and apologize to begin the healing process.

Do it now.

Why don't you be a man and tell me what part you think is racist?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

Why don't you be a man and tell me what part you think is racist?

Don't play dumb now joker.

Just apologize and quit making more of a mockery out of the whole shameful thing you did.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Don't play dumb now joker.

Just apologize and quit making more of a mockery out of the whole shameful thing you did.

I'm not playing dumb, I promise. Is it because they are black, or is it because of the link?

If it's because they are black, that's not the premise. They could've been any tribe of any color.

If it' because of the link, then I already wrote that that was the only video I could find, and din't agree with the link.

I thought you can't watch videos.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

I'm not playing dumb, I promise. Is it because they are black, or is it because of the link?

If it's because they are black, that's not the premise. They could've been any tribe of any color.

If it' because of the link, then I already wrote that that was the only video I could find, and din't agree with the link.

I thought you can't watch videos.

Your promises don't mean anything since you've been proven to be a liar before.

Just apologize and get it over with.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Your promises don't mean anything since you've been proven to be a liar before.

Just apologize and get it over with.

What part is racist?

You aren't man enough to answer because none of it rasict. You just want to play games.

How old are you...12?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

What part is racist?

You aren't man enough to answer because none of it rasict. You just want to play games.

How old are you...12?

Geeze, you don't have to play dumb, do you?

You are dumb.

And a racist.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 28, 2011

Geeze, you don't have to play dumb, do you?

You are dumb.

And a racist.

I have better things to do than waste my day off from work arguing with a retarded brainwashed moron like you.

Maybe If you rub Buddha's belly, he'll tell you you're a brainwashed idiot who believes anything he sees in an old relic.

I guess you believe in the boogeyman too? 

Bye brainwashed idiot.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

I have better things to do than waste my day off from work arguing with a retarded brainwashed moron like you.

Maybe If you rub Buddha's belly, he'll tell you you're a brainwashed idiot who believes anything he sees in an old relic.

I guess you believe in the boogeyman too? 

Bye brainwashed idiot.

Run away as usual, loser.

Just like always when faced with a man.

Now if I was a woman, look out! There'd be hell to pay!

 

You're creepy.

A creepy, dirty, smelly, little runt cab driver.

I want to take a hot shower after just talking to you.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

The Chinese god of luck, Ho-Tai, is often mistaken for the Buddha. But I digress....

Once upon a time there was a Jackpot System cult that waited and waited for a "plane to land" with a guaranteed winnig system to win a jackpot.

Green laugh

The plane has never landed but yet they wait, and wait, and wait.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 28, 2011

The Chinese god of luck, Ho-Tai, is often mistaken for the Buddha. But I digress....

Once upon a time there was a Jackpot System cult that waited and waited for a "plane to land" with a guaranteed winnig system to win a jackpot.

Green laugh

The plane has never landed but yet they wait, and wait, and wait.

The most rediculous analogy, but it's expected coming from a know-it-all like you who worked in a casino thinks he knows everything. Coming from a guy who can't grasp a simple idea about why the majority of winners are from QPs. Even after a few others on LP came forward and showed you why, but still your is far up your ass.

Another dumbass to add to my dumbass list.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

OK, now you've done it!  Buddy is doing the Booga Booga with Sam The Sham and The Pharaohs!!!!!!!...........

 

 

Buddy Booga! booga!

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 27, 2011

Maybe 5?........

LOL....hee hee...

Gotta love it.

I came here tonight after work imagining 3 pages of debates, but all I saw was your response. Maybe the debate is over....lol

So what's the conclusion?

Vision departs and lurks in the backround.

Ridge got tired of making "Abusive Iranian men" remarks and stopped replying.

All I can say is ELEPHANT EYEBROWS.....!

5 squared...lol

Just got caught up w/ the posts...

I guess the debate is rounding out..?..

That's alright...

Even tho you guys are opposed in your beliefs, I like learning new things & that I did!

But the laughs were especially grand (-: So thanks guys!

Now lets win some $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jun 28, 2011

OK, now you've done it!  Buddy is doing the Booga Booga with Sam The Sham and The Pharaohs!!!!!!!...........

 

 

Buddy Booga! booga!

I have to admit I did the Wully Bully once. But only once...lol

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Oh yeah?  Little Red Riding Hood!

 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 28, 2011

Oh yeah?  Little Red Riding Hood!

 

Thanks princess, I'm glad you didn't post YMCA by The Village People.

That's what we all would have expected from you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

I have to admit I did the Wully Bully once. But only once...lol

I can only imagine what that night club smelled like after that.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 28, 2011

The most rediculous analogy, but it's expected coming from a know-it-all like you who worked in a casino thinks he knows everything. Coming from a guy who can't grasp a simple idea about why the majority of winners are from QPs. Even after a few others on LP came forward and showed you why, but still your is far up your ass.

Another dumbass to add to my dumbass list.

joker17,

I never said I know it all. I have seen many know-it-alls with systems get slaughtered by dice, cards, and roulette wheels.

You on the other hand have went on for 64 pages letting everyone know you know it all.

They say when someone pounds something like that they are trying to convince themselves of what they're saying.

And OK, I'll play.

May 10,000 camels pee in your backyard.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 28, 2011

joker17,

I never said I know it all. I have seen many know-it-alls with systems get slaughtered by dice, cards, and roulette wheels.

You on the other hand have went on for 64 pages letting everyone know you know it all.

They say when someone pounds something like that they are trying to convince themselves of what they're saying.

And OK, I'll play.

May 10,000 camels pee in your backyard.

LOL Wouldn't be the first time.

jimmy4164
sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jun 28, 2011

OK, now you've done it!  Buddy is doing the Booga Booga with Sam The Sham and The Pharaohs!!!!!!!...........

 

 

Buddy Booga! booga!

I have missed little Budda, TODAY WILL BE A LUCKY DAY.Party

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 28, 2011

joker17,

I never said I know it all. I have seen many know-it-alls with systems get slaughtered by dice, cards, and roulette wheels.

You on the other hand have went on for 64 pages letting everyone know you know it all.

They say when someone pounds something like that they are trying to convince themselves of what they're saying.

And OK, I'll play.

May 10,000 camels pee in your backyard.

Your quote above proves to me you have absolutely no FREAKING clue what I've written in all those pages.

I've been saying ALL ALONG that no one can know for sure which religion is the right one, and whether ANY of them are right at all. I guess you're just as brainwashed. So sorry for you.

The only thing I'm pounding is some freaking sense into Ridge and Vision, but they're too brainwashed to get it. Just like you. Maybe If you got your head unstuck from your ass, you'd understand, but I have a feeling you couldn't get it If it stuck it's ass in your face.

Clueless.....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 29, 2011

Click here for an Alternative...

Don't waste your time. Ridge has got it all summed up. He's got the market cornered on which religion is the right one. Why, cause he's a freaking GENIUS. He's got it all figured out. He knows which religion is the right one, what God wants, what he needs, how he wants people to behave, how long people should sit on the crapper, how deep one should pick their nose, and what type of foods we should eat.

He's discovered the secrets of the universe....A pure GENIUS. Bravo Ridge, I always knew you could do it. All the brilliant men in the past couldn't figure it out but Ridge has. What a guy !

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Your quote above proves to me you have absolutely no FREAKING clue what I've written in all those pages.

I've been saying ALL ALONG that no one can know for sure which religion is the right one, and whether ANY of them are right at all. I guess you're just as brainwashed. So sorry for you.

The only thing I'm pounding is some freaking sense into Ridge and Vision, but they're too brainwashed to get it. Just like you. Maybe If you got your head unstuck from your ass, you'd understand, but I have a feeling you couldn't get it If it stuck it's ass in your face.

Clueless.....

joker17,

Once again, who are you trying to convince, others or yourself?

In all these pages instead of saying this is how you see things or this is how you feel about what is being discussed you get upseyt with others for believing the way they do or not believing in what you don't believe in.

As for the starving children, how much well intentioned American foreign aid and foodstuffs winds up in the hands of corrupt political leaders? The stuff was intended to be distributed free and rhey seize it and sell it on the black market.

As a thought for the day:

"There is all the difference in the world between
having something to say and having to say something."

John Dewey

_______________________________

Remembet that guy pacattack05?

He had a sense of humor, maybe you should pay him a visit.

Buono Fortuna

Lep

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 29, 2011

joker17,

Once again, who are you trying to convince, others or yourself?

In all these pages instead of saying this is how you see things or this is how you feel about what is being discussed you get upseyt with others for believing the way they do or not believing in what you don't believe in.

As for the starving children, how much well intentioned American foreign aid and foodstuffs winds up in the hands of corrupt political leaders? The stuff was intended to be distributed free and rhey seize it and sell it on the black market.

As a thought for the day:

"There is all the difference in the world between
having something to say and having to say something."

John Dewey

_______________________________

Remembet that guy pacattack05?

He had a sense of humor, maybe you should pay him a visit.

Buono Fortuna

Lep

I'm trying to get some common sense into people's minds instead of mindless proclamations. If you or anyone else doesn't want to listen, I really couldn't give two schmidts, but what pisses me off is that a loser Christian wannabe like Ridge comes along and wants to be the dictator of what someone can or cannot say when an opposing belief is written. He's not the police and probably too fat to be one anyways.

And once again, It seems you don't get the 20,000 kids thing. You know, I get so tired of repeating myself, it's just not worth it anymore because you and others don't read what I write. You skim through and just Itching to write a response. If you've ever read anything pertaining to the 20,000 kids, you'd have already known what I meant by that.

It all started with a prayer for money a long time ago in LP, before Ridge came along. It was between Vision and I. When the poster asked whether paryer can help win a lottery, and I responded that If God doesn't give two shmidts about 20,000 kids dying every single day for how many decades now, maybe even longer, then why would he give a dang whether Joe Schmo from Lake Havasu wins anything. Wouldn't you think the kids would have a top priority?

It has nothing to do with corrupt countries taking aid money. It never had anything to do with that, which shows me you don't read what I write. It has to do with events or lack of events, divine intervention or lack of, and  many other contradictions that makes it incredibly hard to believe that there is a God who would allow such things to occur. Maybe there is a God which is unlike anyhting that any religion states, but even then, an explanation is still warranted.

It's not just the kids, there's a whole laundry list of complications and holes in the stories and claims being made not just by the Bible, but all of the religions.

Does it make sense that a God would  create 20,000 kids a day knowing FULL WELL that they will only live a few years and die a misereable and slow death from starvation and or disease? Does that even make the slightest sense? That's over 8 million innocent kids who dying every single year. Multiply this by 100 plus years or more, and it amounts to almost a billion or more kids.

Alright kids, ready to go down to Earth? I know you're gonna croak soon from a painful existense of pestilence, but it's part of my plan for humanity. Yeah that's the ticket. Just trust me, it's for your own good. YEAH RIGHT. ONLY A BRAINWASHED ROBOT WOULD TAKE THAT AS THE TRUTH. Or any other variation of this.

And here's another thing I'm gonna do as God. I'm gonna make thousands of different religions to TEST my people. And If they choose the wrong one.....WELL TOUGH LUCK!...

I'll create light instantaneously everywhere and If anyone asks how the light got to Earth from distant galaxies billions of light years away in only 10,000 years, well, I'll create a human named Vision who could just make up some cochamamy story about me, and making light travel faster even though it makes no sense whatsoever. I'll just confuse humanity so badly that they'll all run a round like chickens without heads killing themselves over which God is the correct one. I'll even make the Earth look like it's billions of years old when it's only a few thousand. Yeah, that should really get their shirts in a bunch. It won't matter that all this will be confusing, there will always be unsecure folks down on Earth who will believe the many books about me. I have so much free time on my hands I have nothing better to do than mess with humanity.

So it's basically like a lottery. If you don't pick the right one, you're dammed forever in a lake of fire. Does any of this make sense to you? I can't believe grown adults who've lived for decades actually believe this nonsense. It simply amazes me.

Even the denominations within Christianity can't agree with each other. Shouldn't that be a HUGE RED FLAG?

 

How about predestiny? If god already knows where I'll end up, free choice goes right out the window right? Why even bother creating me If I'll end up in hell?

I could go on and on but it's futile because once the indctrination began when you and others where a child, there's no turning back to common sense. It's embedded into your brain cells. I was one of the lucky ones. I used to believe in Christianity, but then I realized....wait a minute, there are thousands of other religions who all claim to be the right one...DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DNG DING  DING DING DING.....

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Coin Toss

(Ridge - do not read this)

How many here think this thread and some others are arguments about religion and atheists?

I am not taking a solid stand on either side of those subjects.  To me this isn't about religion/atheists.  It is about respect and the way people are being attacked.  Called liars and worse.  I happen to think Joker was getting the worst of it, coming from at least two directions in the beginning.  So I criticized the other side most of the time.  And most of the time I have been attempting to call a truce or some other solution instead of this fighting that continues.  Some chose to use accusatory remarks about possible solutions that I suggested.  In the heat of the moment, I also fought fire with fire. 

Both sides have tenacity, both sides have the same ideals to be allowed to say what they want.   Vision can have his beliefs just don't try to force them on everyone.  Atheists can have their beliefs, just don't force them on everyone.  I never felt Joker was trying to force his beliefs.

Ridge is an antagonist.  A disrespectful thorn.   If you notice he doesn't preach like Vision.  He only posts disparaging accusatory remarks, many of which are out and out lies.  He has never really taken a stand on religion.  He uses little 3rd grade arguments.  Calling people names. Condemning entire countries for atrocities of a few.  Indeed, calling either by inference or in fact various religions by derogatory names.  Implying people are of a certain sexual orientation.  He intentionally calls posters by some name other than their screen name.  He just shows no respect.  He is like a rattlesnake ready to strike at anyone that even hints something that doesn't agree with ridge.  Even his "jokes," if you take the time to notice, are attacks.  I'm surprised people from Kentucky haven't taken offense at some of his jokes about Kentucky. 

Ridge...I know you didn't listen to what I posted and you read this!  I notice you haven't apologized yet.  I was thinking about that and trying to figure out why you wouldn't.  Then a light bulb lit up.  One of our President's took that same stance.  I can only assume he must be a hero of yours and you are following in his footsteps.  Of course, you don't have to worry about impeachment or courts or trials, so you continue with picking at anyone that doesn't meet the Ridge standards.  Hey, wait a minute...Bill Clinton?, wasn't he a Democrat?  And I thought they weren't your favorites!  You sure got me with that one!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

I'm trying to get some common sense into people's minds instead of mindless proclamations. If you or anyone else doesn't want to listen, I really couldn't give two schmidts, but what pisses me off is that a loser Christian wannabe like Ridge comes along and wants to be the dictator of what someone can or cannot say when an opposing belief is written. He's not the police and probably too fat to be one anyways.

And once again, It seems you don't get the 20,000 kids thing. You know, I get so tired of repeating myself, it's just not worth it anymore because you and others don't read what I write. You skim through and just Itching to write a response. If you've ever read anything pertaining to the 20,000 kids, you'd have already known what I meant by that.

It all started with a prayer for money a long time ago in LP, before Ridge came along. It was between Vision and I. When the poster asked whether paryer can help win a lottery, and I responded that If God doesn't give two shmidts about 20,000 kids dying every single day for how many decades now, maybe even longer, then why would he give a dang whether Joe Schmo from Lake Havasu wins anything. Wouldn't you think the kids would have a top priority?

It has nothing to do with corrupt countries taking aid money. It never had anything to do with that, which shows me you don't read what I write. It has to do with events or lack of events, divine intervention or lack of, and  many other contradictions that makes it incredibly hard to believe that there is a God who would allow such things to occur. Maybe there is a God which is unlike anyhting that any religion states, but even then, an explanation is still warranted.

It's not just the kids, there's a whole laundry list of complications and holes in the stories and claims being made not just by the Bible, but all of the religions.

Does it make sense that a God would  create 20,000 kids a day knowing FULL WELL that they will only live a few years and die a misereable and slow death from starvation and or disease? Does that even make the slightest sense? That's over 8 million innocent kids who dying every single year. Multiply this by 100 plus years or more, and it amounts to almost a billion or more kids.

Alright kids, ready to go down to Earth? I know you're gonna croak soon from a painful existense of pestilence, but it's part of my plan for humanity. Yeah that's the ticket. Just trust me, it's for your own good. YEAH RIGHT. ONLY A BRAINWASHED ROBOT WOULD TAKE THAT AS THE TRUTH. Or any other variation of this.

And here's another thing I'm gonna do as God. I'm gonna make thousands of different religions to TEST my people. And If they choose the wrong one.....WELL TOUGH LUCK!...

I'll create light instantaneously everywhere and If anyone asks how the light got to Earth from distant galaxies billions of light years away in only 10,000 years, well, I'll create a human named Vision who could just make up some cochamamy story about me, and making light travel faster even though it makes no sense whatsoever. I'll just confuse humanity so badly that they'll all run a round like chickens without heads killing themselves over which God is the correct one. I'll even make the Earth look like it's billions of years old when it's only a few thousand. Yeah, that should really get their shirts in a bunch. It won't matter that all this will be confusing, there will always be unsecure folks down on Earth who will believe the many books about me. I have so much free time on my hands I have nothing better to do than mess with humanity.

So it's basically like a lottery. If you don't pick the right one, you're dammed forever in a lake of fire. Does any of this make sense to you? I can't believe grown adults who've lived for decades actually believe this nonsense. It simply amazes me.

Even the denominations within Christianity can't agree with each other. Shouldn't that be a HUGE RED FLAG?

 

How about predestiny? If god already knows where I'll end up, free choice goes right out the window right? Why even bother creating me If I'll end up in hell?

I could go on and on but it's futile because once the indctrination began when you and others where a child, there's no turning back to common sense. It's embedded into your brain cells. I was one of the lucky ones. I used to believe in Christianity, but then I realized....wait a minute, there are thousands of other religions who all claim to be the right one...DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DNG DING  DING DING DING.....

"I'm trying to get some common sense into people's minds instead of mindless proclamations. If you or anyone else doesn't want to listen, I really couldn't give two schmidts,..."

 

Nobody cares about you pounding your "common sense" into their heads. Why don't you get that?

And if you don't give two schmidts if we listen then why do you keep going berserk when nobody does?

Why do you insist everybody give up their beliefs and follow you?

Everybody has heard your nonsense a million times and they laugh at it.

Just keep preaching your fairy tales, nobody cares!

But I will comment and you won't stop me.

So get over yourself, you don't get a free pass just cuz you think you're something special.

If you think this big temper tantrum of yours is going to dissuade me or anybody from commenting on what you say to little old ladies or anybody else, you better think again.

You must have a really thick skull cuz nothing seems to get through.

People have told you to get help on numerous occasions and I hope you do before you have a complete meltdown and hurt somebody - and that somebody would most likely be a woman.

Get help, you little imbecile.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

Coin Toss

(Ridge - do not read this)

How many here think this thread and some others are arguments about religion and atheists?

I am not taking a solid stand on either side of those subjects.  To me this isn't about religion/atheists.  It is about respect and the way people are being attacked.  Called liars and worse.  I happen to think Joker was getting the worst of it, coming from at least two directions in the beginning.  So I criticized the other side most of the time.  And most of the time I have been attempting to call a truce or some other solution instead of this fighting that continues.  Some chose to use accusatory remarks about possible solutions that I suggested.  In the heat of the moment, I also fought fire with fire. 

Both sides have tenacity, both sides have the same ideals to be allowed to say what they want.   Vision can have his beliefs just don't try to force them on everyone.  Atheists can have their beliefs, just don't force them on everyone.  I never felt Joker was trying to force his beliefs.

Ridge is an antagonist.  A disrespectful thorn.   If you notice he doesn't preach like Vision.  He only posts disparaging accusatory remarks, many of which are out and out lies.  He has never really taken a stand on religion.  He uses little 3rd grade arguments.  Calling people names. Condemning entire countries for atrocities of a few.  Indeed, calling either by inference or in fact various religions by derogatory names.  Implying people are of a certain sexual orientation.  He intentionally calls posters by some name other than their screen name.  He just shows no respect.  He is like a rattlesnake ready to strike at anyone that even hints something that doesn't agree with ridge.  Even his "jokes," if you take the time to notice, are attacks.  I'm surprised people from Kentucky haven't taken offense at some of his jokes about Kentucky. 

Ridge...I know you didn't listen to what I posted and you read this!  I notice you haven't apologized yet.  I was thinking about that and trying to figure out why you wouldn't.  Then a light bulb lit up.  One of our President's took that same stance.  I can only assume he must be a hero of yours and you are following in his footsteps.  Of course, you don't have to worry about impeachment or courts or trials, so you continue with picking at anyone that doesn't meet the Ridge standards.  Hey, wait a minute...Bill Clinton?, wasn't he a Democrat?  And I thought they weren't your favorites!  You sure got me with that one!

I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to a despicable liar such as yourself princess, but I won't waste many words on you.

I can read you like a book princess and you know it and I think that's a big part of your seething hatred for me. You can't stand that. But it's true because as arseholes go, you're of a very common variety, nothing special.

I know you didn't like me outting you (neither did Nancy) but you'll get over it as you all do, eventually. In fact, at some point, you'll probably look back and thank me for it.

Nonetheless, you come on here pretending to be this Paragon of Virtue and Fairness and the Great Mediator and all that nonsense when in fact you are now and always have been an instigator and initiator and firmly entrenched with the losers on the losing side of this debate.

YOU were the one who first demanded that ALL mention of Jesus and God and prayer and faith and religion be banned from the forums so quit trying to b-llsh-t everybody. It was YOU, princess. And you know it. You said you didn't even want anybody allowed to say "God Bless America"! 

So quit trying to disassociate yourself from joker and Nancy and any of the other losers.

Talking all your "both sides need to this" and "both sides need to that" b-llsh-t like you weren't even involved in any of it.

You make me wanna puke you ignorant little twit.

Hope I didn't make you cry again, little sister.  Sad   LOL

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

Coin Toss

(Ridge - do not read this)

How many here think this thread and some others are arguments about religion and atheists?

I am not taking a solid stand on either side of those subjects.  To me this isn't about religion/atheists.  It is about respect and the way people are being attacked.  Called liars and worse.  I happen to think Joker was getting the worst of it, coming from at least two directions in the beginning.  So I criticized the other side most of the time.  And most of the time I have been attempting to call a truce or some other solution instead of this fighting that continues.  Some chose to use accusatory remarks about possible solutions that I suggested.  In the heat of the moment, I also fought fire with fire. 

Both sides have tenacity, both sides have the same ideals to be allowed to say what they want.   Vision can have his beliefs just don't try to force them on everyone.  Atheists can have their beliefs, just don't force them on everyone.  I never felt Joker was trying to force his beliefs.

Ridge is an antagonist.  A disrespectful thorn.   If you notice he doesn't preach like Vision.  He only posts disparaging accusatory remarks, many of which are out and out lies.  He has never really taken a stand on religion.  He uses little 3rd grade arguments.  Calling people names. Condemning entire countries for atrocities of a few.  Indeed, calling either by inference or in fact various religions by derogatory names.  Implying people are of a certain sexual orientation.  He intentionally calls posters by some name other than their screen name.  He just shows no respect.  He is like a rattlesnake ready to strike at anyone that even hints something that doesn't agree with ridge.  Even his "jokes," if you take the time to notice, are attacks.  I'm surprised people from Kentucky haven't taken offense at some of his jokes about Kentucky. 

Ridge...I know you didn't listen to what I posted and you read this!  I notice you haven't apologized yet.  I was thinking about that and trying to figure out why you wouldn't.  Then a light bulb lit up.  One of our President's took that same stance.  I can only assume he must be a hero of yours and you are following in his footsteps.  Of course, you don't have to worry about impeachment or courts or trials, so you continue with picking at anyone that doesn't meet the Ridge standards.  Hey, wait a minute...Bill Clinton?, wasn't he a Democrat?  And I thought they weren't your favorites!  You sure got me with that one!

truecritic,

One simple explanation for how rdgrnr gets away with trashing people with abusive and hateful language without being called down is that he is just another alterego of the man behind the curtain, one which allows him to mount tirades that might not be good for business were the curtain pulled back.  Just sayin'...

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 29, 2011

truecritic,

One simple explanation for how rdgrnr gets away with trashing people with abusive and hateful language without being called down is that he is just another alterego of the man behind the curtain, one which allows him to mount tirades that might not be good for business were the curtain pulled back.  Just sayin'...

--Jimmy4164

Funny, you must not have read many of the princess' posts if namecalling offends you, Nancy.

Otherwise you'd be a hypocrite.

Wouldn't you, Tinkerbelle?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Funny how Nancy always changes his avatar and logs off immediately after I respond to him.

Must be having one of his nervous-nellie fluster-fits.

Or maybe his boss caught him on this site and slapped him upside the head and told him to get back to work.

Poor soul, he's just too high strung is all.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

"I'm trying to get some common sense into people's minds instead of mindless proclamations. If you or anyone else doesn't want to listen, I really couldn't give two schmidts,..."

 

Nobody cares about you pounding your "common sense" into their heads. Why don't you get that?

And if you don't give two schmidts if we listen then why do you keep going berserk when nobody does?

Why do you insist everybody give up their beliefs and follow you?

Everybody has heard your nonsense a million times and they laugh at it.

Just keep preaching your fairy tales, nobody cares!

But I will comment and you won't stop me.

So get over yourself, you don't get a free pass just cuz you think you're something special.

If you think this big temper tantrum of yours is going to dissuade me or anybody from commenting on what you say to little old ladies or anybody else, you better think again.

You must have a really thick skull cuz nothing seems to get through.

People have told you to get help on numerous occasions and I hope you do before you have a complete meltdown and hurt somebody - and that somebody would most likely be a woman.

Get help, you little imbecile.

You're the one who believes in fairytales. Santa, the tooth fairy and so on. But like I said earlier, I really don't care If you wanna stay brainwashed, but you ain't gonna stop me from responding to someone who mentions God. PERIOD !

Dumbass!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

You're the one who believes in fairytales. Santa, the tooth fairy and so on. But like I said earlier, I really don't care If you wanna stay brainwashed, but you ain't gonna stop me from responding to someone who mentions God. PERIOD !

Dumbass!

Everyone can clearly see who the dumbass is here, little guy.

From the beginning all I've said is I will respond to what you say anytime I want.

And you, little guy, won't stop me.

So keep going berserk all you want.

Cuz it ain't gonna change a thing.

This ain't your woman beating, third-world, stoneage, hell-hole, boy - you're in my country now and you'll act civilized.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Everyone can clearly see who the dumbass is here, little guy.

From the beginning all I've said is I will respond to what you say anytime I want.

And you, little guy, won't stop me.

So keep going berserk all you want.

Cuz it ain't gonna change a thing.

This ain't your woman beating, third-world, stoneage, hell-hole, boy - you're in my country now and you'll act civilized.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

You forget so easily. You labeled it as an attack on Christianity. Too bad you brainwashed drunk. I don't give a dam what you call it. I have a right to say it and you can't stop me. FOOL!

Your country...what a load of crap. it's my country too loser. You don't tell me what to do you Christian wannabe loser. You can type till your fingers go down to the bone, but I won't ever listen to your dumbass. NEVER EVER EVER. (My country.....what an idiot you are.)

Thank THOR you ain't in control of what I have to say in OUR country LOSER.

Now go to church and confess what a loser you've been. Go on you pathetic example of a human being, and I use that term very lightly. Then when you're done, you can shine my shoes.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

You forget so easily. You labeled it as an attack on Christianity. Too bad you brainwashed drunk. I don't give a dam what you call it. I have a right to say it and you can't stop me. FOOL!

Your country...what a load of crap. it's my country too loser. You don't tell me what to do you Christian wannabe loser. You can type till your fingers go down to the bone, but I won't ever listen to your dumbass. NEVER EVER EVER. (My country.....what an idiot you are.)

Thank THOR you ain't in control of what I have to say in OUR country LOSER.

Now go to church and confess what a loser you've been. Go on you pathetic example of a human being, and I use that term very lightly. Then when you're done, you can shine my shoes.

I see you haven't gotten help for your anger issues yet, little one.

I don't know how much longer I can try to help you if you won't help yourself, squeaky.

If you truly want me to be your mentor as you've previously intimated, you're going to have to straighten up and fly right now, my little squirrel monkey.

How about it, numbnuts?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

I see you haven't gotten help for your anger issues yet, little one.

I don't know how much longer I can try to help you if you won't help yourself, squeaky.

If you truly want me to be your mentor as you've previously intimated, you're going to have to straighten up and fly right now, my little squirrel monkey.

How about it, numbnuts?

Mentor?...You couldn't mentor a retarded mouse with 3 legs.

No thanx, go mentor  brainwash more of your mindless robots living near you. They'll fall for the fairytales, not me.

BTW, don't forget your nightly reading. I recommend the adventures of Alice in wonderland. Another fairytale you can add to your list....

What a moron !

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Mentor?...You couldn't mentor a retarded mouse with 3 legs.

No thanx, go mentor  brainwash more of your mindless robots living near you. They'll fall for the fairytales, not me.

BTW, don't forget your nightly reading. I recommend the adventures of Alice in wonderland. Another fairytale you can add to your list....

What a moron !

If you don't want me to be your mentor then don't ask me, OK?

But you have to act civilized if you want to stay in this country, OK?

How about it, numbnuts?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

If you don't want me to be your mentor then don't ask me, OK?

But you have to act civilized if you want to stay in this country, OK?

How about it, numbnuts?

Why don't you go back to wherever you came from loser?

or is the toilet in India already taken?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Why don't you go back to wherever you came from loser?

or is the toilet in India already taken?

Ah, yet another racist remark from the little fascist.

Are you going to put up insulting videos of Indian people now too?

You should be ashamed of yourself, little Adolph. 

Three questions:

1.)  Why do you think you're better than all the other races in the world?

2.)   Will you come to the aid of your little butt-sniffer mario since he's been exposed as a liar and a fraud just like you were? Or will you just leave him to twist in       the wind after he came to your aid so many times?

3.)  How about it, numbnuts?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to a despicable liar such as yourself princess, but I won't waste many words on you.

I can read you like a book princess and you know it and I think that's a big part of your seething hatred for me. You can't stand that. But it's true because as arseholes go, you're of a very common variety, nothing special.

I know you didn't like me outting you (neither did Nancy) but you'll get over it as you all do, eventually. In fact, at some point, you'll probably look back and thank me for it.

Nonetheless, you come on here pretending to be this Paragon of Virtue and Fairness and the Great Mediator and all that nonsense when in fact you are now and always have been an instigator and initiator and firmly entrenched with the losers on the losing side of this debate.

YOU were the one who first demanded that ALL mention of Jesus and God and prayer and faith and religion be banned from the forums so quit trying to b-llsh-t everybody. It was YOU, princess. And you know it. You said you didn't even want anybody allowed to say "God Bless America"! 

So quit trying to disassociate yourself from joker and Nancy and any of the other losers.

Talking all your "both sides need to this" and "both sides need to that" b-llsh-t like you weren't even involved in any of it.

You make me wanna puke you ignorant little twit.

Hope I didn't make you cry again, little sister.  Sad   LOL

"...but I won't waste many words on you."

In that case you should have stopped right there because all your words are a waste.

I'm not sure if it is queer hate or you're just putting on a demonstration for your friends at The Westboro Baptist Church?  Almost every single post of yours on page 65 has some disparaging inference to sexual orientation!  Does Westboro give you some extra points when you spread your vile hate all over the net?

"The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an independent Baptist church known for its extreme stance against homosexuality and its protest activities, which include picketing funerals and desecrating the American flag."

"The church has been actively involved in the anti-gay movement since at least 1991 when it sought a crackdown on homosexual activity at Gage Park six blocks northwest of the church. In addition to anti-gay protests at military funerals, the organization pickets other celebrity funerals that are likely to get it media attention."

 

I think you have set a record, even for yourself.  I looked at every sentence in your post and not one single sentence is true!  Not one.  All lies.  Can't you do anything right?

Start by respecting the other members here.  Apologize for all your posts that cause pain or are derogatory.  Stop all your name calling.  Stop attacking innocent people.  Promise to act civil in the future.  You can do it.  Even a 5th grader can do that!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

If you don't want me to be your mentor then don't ask me, OK?

But you have to act civilized if you want to stay in this country, OK?

How about it, numbnuts?

Geez, ALL your posts are wrong!   The more I think about it, the more it looks like dementia, rdgrnr.  You can't seem to get anything straight anymore.   You can't remember anyone's name.  You can't remember what anyone said.  You can't remember what you said. 

Here's one of your quotes, now don't go denying it because I copied it from your post to Joker! 

"But you have to act civilized if you want to stay in this country, OK?
How about it, numbnuts?"

Well, if that isn't the quintessential example of being civilized!  Besides, who would kick him out of "this country" anyway?  You forgot he is a citizen here and lives here.  And you went and forgot his name!  Dementia.

jimmy4164

truecritic,

"Dementia?"  I'm not sure about that.  I think it might have more to do with his attempts to try to cover too many bases at the same time.  A simple explanation for how he gets away with trashing people with abusive and hateful language without being called down is that he is just another alterego of the man behind the curtain, one which allows him to mount tirades that might not be good for business were the curtain pulled back.  Waddya' think?

--Jimmy4164

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Ah, yet another racist remark from the little fascist.

Are you going to put up insulting videos of Indian people now too?

You should be ashamed of yourself, little Adolph. 

Three questions:

1.)  Why do you think you're better than all the other races in the world?

2.)   Will you come to the aid of your little butt-sniffer mario since he's been exposed as a liar and a fraud just like you were? Or will you just leave him to twist in       the wind after he came to your aid so many times?

3.)  How about it, numbnuts?

Since you proclaim yourself as a mentor, maybe you should've never started the race BS, and then point fingers at someone else when they sound racist. Apparently it didn't bother you when YOU YOURSELF were being racist with me. It only bothers you when someone else does it.

I will never fall for these cheap parlor tricks of yours. Word games and innuendos doesn't fool me. That's why you're so pissed off. I'm guessing not too many folks argue back with you. Your arrogant and antagonism may work with your neighbors or friends and relatives, but not here Charlie, not with me. Been there and done that. I can see a frizzled desperate old man who has no chicken stock in his soup, and in order to make his point, makes child like remarks by throwing bones at you..

Chicken soup on a stick.....What's the world coming to?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 29, 2011

truecritic,

"Dementia?"  I'm not sure about that.  I think it might have more to do with his attempts to try to cover too many bases at the same time.  A simple explanation for how he gets away with trashing people with abusive and hateful language without being called down is that he is just another alterego of the man behind the curtain, one which allows him to mount tirades that might not be good for business were the curtain pulled back.  Waddya' think?

--Jimmy4164

Ridge has got a lifetime "Get out of Jail free" card......Green laugh

I already used one of my quarterly "get out of jail free" cards. lucky for me, I stopped on Broadway and bought a few fake ones to show in case I get stopped.....Eek

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

"...but I won't waste many words on you."

In that case you should have stopped right there because all your words are a waste.

I'm not sure if it is queer hate or you're just putting on a demonstration for your friends at The Westboro Baptist Church?  Almost every single post of yours on page 65 has some disparaging inference to sexual orientation!  Does Westboro give you some extra points when you spread your vile hate all over the net?

"The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an independent Baptist church known for its extreme stance against homosexuality and its protest activities, which include picketing funerals and desecrating the American flag."

"The church has been actively involved in the anti-gay movement since at least 1991 when it sought a crackdown on homosexual activity at Gage Park six blocks northwest of the church. In addition to anti-gay protests at military funerals, the organization pickets other celebrity funerals that are likely to get it media attention."

 

I think you have set a record, even for yourself.  I looked at every sentence in your post and not one single sentence is true!  Not one.  All lies.  Can't you do anything right?

Start by respecting the other members here.  Apologize for all your posts that cause pain or are derogatory.  Stop all your name calling.  Stop attacking innocent people.  Promise to act civil in the future.  You can do it.  Even a 5th grader can do that!

Forgive me for not going into detail about your post, princess, but after trudging through so many of your previous ones I know it's just more of the same and quite frankly, you bore the hell out of me. Reading your posts has gotten like reading Visiondude's posts - after three or four you just don't bother anymore.

I think if you ever had an original thought you'd try and patent it.

So if you want to convey a message, make it a sentence or two from now on.

Or just shut up cuz what you say is inconsequential to me anyway.

Either way, it's up to you.

OK, Twinkletoes?

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

Geez, ALL your posts are wrong!   The more I think about it, the more it looks like dementia, rdgrnr.  You can't seem to get anything straight anymore.   You can't remember anyone's name.  You can't remember what anyone said.  You can't remember what you said. 

Here's one of your quotes, now don't go denying it because I copied it from your post to Joker! 

"But you have to act civilized if you want to stay in this country, OK?
How about it, numbnuts?"

Well, if that isn't the quintessential example of being civilized!  Besides, who would kick him out of "this country" anyway?  You forgot he is a citizen here and lives here.  And you went and forgot his name!  Dementia.

No, no, no!

I don't want to make you cry again but they have to be much shorter or I won't read them or respond.

Look at Nancy's last post before he went and hid again. That's even too long. One or two sentences, that's it!

OK, Twinkletoes?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

No, no, no!

I don't want to make you cry again but they have to be much shorter or I won't read them or respond.

Look at Nancy's last post before he went and hid again. That's even too long. One or two sentences, that's it!

OK, Twinkletoes?

Not everyone wants to sum up their point in a tidy little one liner package as you so poorly do.

It's so convenient to use another of one of your tactics to squash the specific details. Change the subject to benefit yourself.

You're a see-thru wannabe that can't even do it right.

Here's a one liner for you........"BYE A CLUE"....

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 29, 2011

truecritic,

"Dementia?"  I'm not sure about that.  I think it might have more to do with his attempts to try to cover too many bases at the same time.  A simple explanation for how he gets away with trashing people with abusive and hateful language without being called down is that he is just another alterego of the man behind the curtain, one which allows him to mount tirades that might not be good for business were the curtain pulled back.  Waddya' think?

--Jimmy4164

Who's got dementia?

You seem to have forgotten that you posted that same whining, "feel sorry for Nancy" crap on the previous page.

OK Nancy, we all feel sorry for you.

Feel better now, Tinkerbelle?

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 29, 2011

truecritic,

"Dementia?"  I'm not sure about that.  I think it might have more to do with his attempts to try to cover too many bases at the same time.  A simple explanation for how he gets away with trashing people with abusive and hateful language without being called down is that he is just another alterego of the man behind the curtain, one which allows him to mount tirades that might not be good for business were the curtain pulled back.  Waddya' think?

--Jimmy4164

Think I'll stick with some medical reason - I just can't imagine someone being that mean on purpose.    If only he could go back to his old ways, like when he first joined up.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

No, no, no!

I don't want to make you cry again but they have to be much shorter or I won't read them or respond.

Look at Nancy's last post before he went and hid again. That's even too long. One or two sentences, that's it!

OK, Twinkletoes?

Hey, Buddy, now you are finally getting it!   If you never apologize, not responding is acceptable!

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

Think I'll stick with some medical reason - I just can't imagine someone being that mean on purpose.    If only he could go back to his old ways, like when he first joined up.

That's better princess.

I like when you do what I tell you.

I bet you're not really as dumb as you seem afterall.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

That's better princess.

I like when you do what I tell you.

I bet you're not really as dumb as you seem afterall.

Buddy, you mucked it up.  Right back to your old crap.  Just can't trust a rattlesnake.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

Think I'll stick with some medical reason - I just can't imagine someone being that mean on purpose.    If only he could go back to his old ways, like when he first joined up.

"I just can't imagine someone being that mean on purpose."

Heavens to Betsy!

Did I make you cry again?   SadLOL 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

Think I'll stick with some medical reason - I just can't imagine someone being that mean on purpose.    If only he could go back to his old ways, like when he first joined up.

I think you and Jimmy are way off base. I know what drives his hate for people speaking their mind. To me it's obvious that Ridge got away with his ways up until now. He can't fathom the fact that there are opposing views to any subject, not just religion. You can see it in his post even when he's not arguing with someone. I can always see a man snickering in my head when I read Ridge's posts.

The reason he's unstable is because he can't handle oppositional views. To him, as he's stated early on, is an ATTACK.

So If i disagree with a poster on a forum that is lottery related, like a system I don't like, it's OK with Ridge, it's just an opinion.. But If I disagree with a subject like God or religion, then it's an ATTACK.

That's how one dimensional minds think. A linear model with no dimensions.

joker17

I do want to add that i agree that the "Early On" Ridge was cool as heck. He was funny, witty, and with a twist of uncertainty.  In fact, I even helped in trying to improve his Internet connection by showing him some alternatives. None were helpful, but I tried.

Something must've clicked along the way. Once i started to ask questions regarding divine intervention, the bets were off. He went off the deep end, so maybe it is dimentia, and/or medication.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Not everyone wants to sum up their point in a tidy little one liner package as you so poorly do.

It's so convenient to use another of one of your tactics to squash the specific details. Change the subject to benefit yourself.

You're a see-thru wannabe that can't even do it right.

Here's a one liner for you........"BYE A CLUE"....

"You're a see-thru wannabe that can't even do it right.

Here's a one liner for you........"BYE A CLUE"...."

LOLGreen laughLOL

I'm not even going to comment except to say that this comes from the cab driver who calls everybody "dumbass". LOLGreen laughLOL

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

I do want to add that i agree that the "Early On" Ridge was cool as heck. He was funny, witty, and with a twist of uncertainty.  In fact, I even helped in trying to improve his Internet connection by showing him some alternatives. None were helpful, but I tried.

Something must've clicked along the way. Once i started to ask questions regarding divine intervention, the bets were off. He went off the deep end, so maybe it is dimentia, and/or medication.

"I even helped in trying to improve his Internet connection by showing him some alternatives."

 

You're a real piece of work.

That whole thing was a ruse. You know it and I know it.

First, I never asked you for any "help".

And second, you lost interest in "helping" me immediately after I refused to tell you where I live.

So let's not pretend you're little Mr. Habitat for Humanity man, ok?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

"You're a see-thru wannabe that can't even do it right.

Here's a one liner for you........"BYE A CLUE"...."

LOLGreen laughLOL

I'm not even going to comment except to say that this comes from the cab driver who calls everybody "dumbass". LOLGreen laughLOL

Again.....only becuae i want you to taste your own medicine.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Again.....only becuae i want you to taste your own medicine.

You obviously don't even know what I was talking about but maybe one of the "girls" will PM you.

So are you going to rush to defend your friend mario or let him twist in the wind?

He needs some backup now like he always gave you.

How about it?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

"I even helped in trying to improve his Internet connection by showing him some alternatives."

 

You're a real piece of work.

That whole thing was a ruse. You know it and I know it.

First, I never asked you for any "help".

And second, you lost interest in "helping" me immediately after I refused to tell you where I live.

So let's not pretend you're little Mr. Habitat for Humanity man, ok?

Maybe I was wrong. You do need medical help.

A ruse? I thought I was being genuine helping you out and now you accuse me of this?

I know you didn't ask for help, I offered it.

I stopped showing interest after you refused to tell me where you live?......That's a certified lie. Are you crazy or something? The reason it ended was because none of the suggestions worked properly in the area where you live. How dare you try to once again turn this around on me? I sincerely tried to help you. What nerve to taint even this. Man o man......You're getting desperate.

All I'm trying to say is that you are biased and so am I. The difference is when I write opposing opinions on religion it's an attack, but if i opine on any other subject it's ok according to you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

You obviously don't even know what I was talking about but maybe one of the "girls" will PM you.

So are you going to rush to defend your friend mario or let him twist in the wind?

He needs some backup now like he always gave you.

How about it?

WOW !

Dementia at it's best right there folks. I was way off base. It's becoming more clear than ever.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Maybe I was wrong. You do need medical help.

A ruse? I thought I was being genuine helping you out and now you accuse me of this?

I know you didn't ask for help, I offered it.

I stopped showing interest after you refused to tell me where you live?......That's a certified lie. Are you crazy or something? The reason it ended was because none of the suggestions worked properly in the area where you live. How dare you try to once again turn this around on me? I sincerely tried to help you. What nerve to taint even this. Man o man......You're getting desperate.

All I'm trying to say is that you are biased and so am I. The difference is when I write opposing opinions on religion it's an attack, but if i opine on any other subject it's ok according to you.

Ah, geeze, you're practically Mother Teresa now.

You wanted my address and when I wouldn't give it to you, you gave me a link.

I told you I mashed the link (I really didn't) and it didn't work and you left (without my personal info).

About 2 or 3 minutes.

You make it sound like you made a pilgrimage to mecca on a goat to pray for hi-speed service for me.

Didn't happen.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

WOW !

Dementia at it's best right there folks. I was way off base. It's becoming more clear than ever.

So you're not going to help mario?

Wow, what a friend you are after all the times he stuck his neck out for you.

You're all like that from over there though, aren't you? Backstabbers.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Ah, geeze, you're practically Mother Teresa now.

You wanted my address and when I wouldn't give it to you, you gave me a link.

I told you I mashed the link (I really didn't) and it didn't work and you left (without my personal info).

About 2 or 3 minutes.

You make it sound like you made a pilgrimage to mecca on a goat to pray for hi-speed service for me.

Didn't happen.

My intention was good, but you fail to see this and keep ranting. Oh well...I tried.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

So you're not going to help mario?

Wow, what a friend you are after all the times he stuck his neck out for you.

You're all like that from over there though, aren't you? Backstabbers.

His take on your attitude was correct despite any promotion of his pool site. I wasn't even aware of this until today when I read some of the other posts. I really don't care. Not in my bestinterest at this moment. I have bigger fish to fry, but Mario is right about you breaking the rules ORIGINALLY.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

My intention was good, but you fail to see this and keep ranting. Oh well...I tried.

Yeah, you tried alright.

You tried to get my personal info, that's what you tried.

But as in life, you failed.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Yeah, you tried alright.

You tried to get my personal info, that's what you tried.

But as in life, you failed.

Now I know for certain you're a CERTIFIED IDIOT.

Folks...look here...he really thinks I was trying to obtain personal info. This is what I get for helping this moron out. Only If i knew he was such a paranoid freakazoid.

Are you serious?

Either Ridge is putting on a show or Ridge is a total paranoid moron.

joker17

Ridge, you always say I need help.

But I'm not the only one who says you are the one that needs help.

Now I feel bad for arguing with an unstable mind. I should've known better.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

His take on your attitude was correct despite any promotion of his pool site. I wasn't even aware of this until today when I read some of the other posts. I really don't care. Not in my bestinterest at this moment. I have bigger fish to fry, but Mario is right about you breaking the rules ORIGINALLY.

Hey mario!

Looks like you're gonna twist in the wind!

Joker says it's not in his best interest to back you up!

Says he really doesn't care!

Says he has bigger fish to fry!

Happy you always backed him up now?

 

That's how they do friends where he came from mario, always remember that.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Hey mario!

Looks like you're gonna twist in the wind!

Joker says it's not in his best interest to back you up!

Says he really doesn't care!

Says he has bigger fish to fry!

Happy you always backed him up now?

 

That's how they do friends where he came from mario, always remember that.

He lied about stuff. What you want me to do?

You lie about me so what? You're in denial about lying about me.

It makes you just as guilty as the ones you point fingers at. Just like in my case earlier. It's ok If i make a response on any subject as long as it's not about God or religion.

HYPOCRITE !

If I ever turn out like Ridge, and I don't believe I will,  but if I do, just shoot me.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

He lied about stuff. What you want me to do?

You lie about me so what? You're in denial about lying about me.

It makes you just as guilty as the ones you point fingers at. Just like in my case earlier. It's ok If i make a response on any subject as long as it's not about God or religion.

HYPOCRITE !

If I ever turn out like Ridge, and I don't believe I will,  but if I do, just shoot me.

What did I lie about you about?

joker17

Poor Ridge.....Everyone can see he's the arrogant instigating antagonist. Ridge, you're  on a losing streak dude. Give it up.

The people see right through you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

What did I lie about you about?

I'm not a terrorist who beats women and hates Christians. I take showers on a regular basis and love my country the U.S.

Maybe if you tried hard enough, you wouldn't put your foot in your mouth everytime.

I just don't like people like you who want to police what I can write in opposition. Get over it !

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Hey mario!

Looks like you're gonna twist in the wind!

Joker says it's not in his best interest to back you up!

Says he really doesn't care!

Says he has bigger fish to fry!

Happy you always backed him up now?

 

That's how they do friends where he came from mario, always remember that.

We are helping Mario in ways unknown to a non-military man.  So, more lies.  Every sentence up there is a lie, except for the first one: "Hey mario!"   I can't remember when you last said something that wasn't a lie. 

You stoop so low to lie about a man that served in the military.  Joker loves this country, the good ole U.S. of A. a lot more than you do.

Must of really hurt you to be rejected by the military, huh?    Did you try getting into the TN militia?  They have standards low enough for rattlesnakes!

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Poor Ridge.....Everyone can see he's the arrogant instigating antagonist. Ridge, you're  on a losing streak dude. Give it up.

The people see right through you.

Don't look now but you lost this one about 68 pages ago, dude.

Face it, it's in your DNA, you're a loser.

That's why you're a 47 year old cab driver who can't put 4 thousand dollars together to pay for that latest scam you want to buy where the guy guarantees you half a million every 6 months on Pick4.

You should tattoo it on your forehead - L-O-S-E-R.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

We are helping Mario in ways unknown to a non-military man.  So, more lies.  Every sentence up there is a lie, except for the first one: "Hey mario!"   I can't remember when you last said something that wasn't a lie. 

You stoop so low to lie about a man that served in the military.  Joker loves this country, the good ole U.S. of A. a lot more than you do.

Must of really hurt you to be rejected by the military, huh?    Did you try getting into the TN militia?  They have standards low enough for rattlesnakes!

Too many words Twinkletoes.

Boooooooooooooooooring!

Not gonna read it.

You were warned.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Don't look now but you lost this one about 68 pages ago, dude.

Face it, it's in your DNA, you're a loser.

That's why you're a 47 year old cab driver who can't put 4 thousand dollars together to pay for that latest scam you want to buy where the guy guarantees you half a million every 6 months on Pick4.

You should tattoo it on your forehead - L-O-S-E-R.

If Joker wants $4,000, he'll get it.  Why do you keep trying to make a working man look bad?  You aren't working.  You can't raise $4,000.   Of course, Buddy, I mean legally.  I'm sure you can get it by bullying everyone.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Too many words Twinkletoes.

Boooooooooooooooooring!

Not gonna read it.

You were warned.

Then stop replying if you haven't read it.  I'll try to make the words smaller and type slower, I forgot about your dementia.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Don't look now but you lost this one about 68 pages ago, dude.

Face it, it's in your DNA, you're a loser.

That's why you're a 47 year old cab driver who can't put 4 thousand dollars together to pay for that latest scam you want to buy where the guy guarantees you half a million every 6 months on Pick4.

You should tattoo it on your forehead - L-O-S-E-R.

Another poor attempt of distraction. My financial woes have nothing to do with any of this. So sad that you need a diversion to make whatever pointless point.

More personal attacks becuase you have nothing of importance realtive to the issue at hand.

You won't address why you're so bent on policing me when I make lottery comments but have a hissy fit when an opposing God or religion view is written. So covenient......It's easier to change the subject and make irrelevant points about personal financial struggles. Once again I see right thru your parlor tricks.

You need serious help Ridge !

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Too many words Twinkletoes.

Boooooooooooooooooring!

Not gonna read it.

You were warned.

I'll help you out by shoving it down your internet connection a little at a time, how's that sound? 

Here is one important part:

Must of really hurt you to be rejected by the military, huh?    Did you try getting into the TN militia?  They have standards low enough for rattlesnakes!

I'll keep repeating things until you understand - just want to help you out.

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Buddy, Are you OK?  Oh man, hope he didn't pass out again from drinking too much Jack! 

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

If Joker wants $4,000, he'll get it.  Why do you keep trying to make a working man look bad?  You aren't working.  You can't raise $4,000.   Of course, Buddy, I mean legally.  I'm sure you can get it by bullying everyone.

Now that's much better, princess!

It's not so hard to follow my orders now, is it?

 

Working man?

All he does is drive a car! Most people do that on the way to work!

He's not intelligent enough to do anything else.

 

I can't raise 4K?  LOL

Well now, I'd bet I could buy you and sell you, princess.

 

I'll tell ya one thing. If I was 47 years old and driving a cab and living in a cheap apartment with male "roommates" and didn't own my own home and couldn't raise 4K to buy something I wanted I wouldn't be so ignorant as to come here and lecture people about how stupid they are.

Would you, Twinkletoes?

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Now that's much better, princess!

It's not so hard to follow my orders now, is it?

 

Working man?

All he does is drive a car! Most people do that on the way to work!

He's not intelligent enough to do anything else.

 

I can't raise 4K?  LOL

Well now, I'd bet I could buy you and sell you, princess.

 

I'll tell ya one thing. If I was 47 years old and driving a cab and living in a cheap apartment with male "roommates" and didn't own my own home and couldn't raise 4K to buy something I wanted I wouldn't be so ignorant as to come here and lecture people about how stupid they are.

Would you, Twinkletoes?

"I can't raise 4K?  LOL

Well now, I'd bet I could buy you and sell you, princess."

Add delusion to dementia.  You just don't know the truth. 

 

"I'll tell ya one thing. If I was 47 years old and driving a cab and living in a cheap apartment with male "roommates" and didn't own my own home and couldn't raise 4K to buy something I wanted I wouldn't be so ignorant as to come here and lecture people about how stupid they are."

You lie so often, I bet you would be that ignorant and do exactly that!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Now that's much better, princess!

It's not so hard to follow my orders now, is it?

 

Working man?

All he does is drive a car! Most people do that on the way to work!

He's not intelligent enough to do anything else.

 

I can't raise 4K?  LOL

Well now, I'd bet I could buy you and sell you, princess.

 

I'll tell ya one thing. If I was 47 years old and driving a cab and living in a cheap apartment with male "roommates" and didn't own my own home and couldn't raise 4K to buy something I wanted I wouldn't be so ignorant as to come here and lecture people about how stupid they are.

Would you, Twinkletoes?

You have no clue what I have to go through to earn a living in this economy. I wait 3 to 4 hours between rides, and that's why I'm moving to California.

I don't have to be a rocket scientist to show you what an idiot you are to stop me from posting a a view that you disagree with.

Yes I'm a working man. And i strive to better myself. I'm not perfect like you, who's got the monopoly on truth. You must be a genius.

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Just too slow Buddy...I have other things to do.  You can dream up more lies tonight and get ready for tomorrow.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

I'll help you out by shoving it down your internet connection a little at a time, how's that sound? 

Here is one important part:

Must of really hurt you to be rejected by the military, huh?    Did you try getting into the TN militia?  They have standards low enough for rattlesnakes!

I'll keep repeating things until you understand - just want to help you out.

"I'll help you out by shoving it down your internet connection a little at a time, how's that sound?" 

 

Wow, stop cruising me princess, I'm not Nancy, but thanks for making it crystal clear what team you play for.

(As if anyone had any doubt!) LOL

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

You have no clue what I have to go through to earn a living in this economy. I wait 3 to 4 hours between rides, and that's why I'm moving to California.

I don't have to be a rocket scientist to show you what an idiot you are to stop me from posting a a view that you disagree with.

Yes I'm a working man. And i strive to better myself. I'm not perfect like you, who's got the monopoly on truth. You must be a genius.

Nice cover story.

Is the whole sleeper cell going or just you?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 29, 2011

"I can't raise 4K?  LOL

Well now, I'd bet I could buy you and sell you, princess."

Add delusion to dementia.  You just don't know the truth. 

 

"I'll tell ya one thing. If I was 47 years old and driving a cab and living in a cheap apartment with male "roommates" and didn't own my own home and couldn't raise 4K to buy something I wanted I wouldn't be so ignorant as to come here and lecture people about how stupid they are."

You lie so often, I bet you would be that ignorant and do exactly that!

look at the Kenneth Copelands, and Benny Hinns. They're all delusional. Ridge is the same. Believes in fairytales and expects  us to take him seriously.

You're nothing but a joke Ridge. A major simpleton minded joke.

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Wow rdgrnr  and joker17 should pull out a ruler to see who is the biggest and stop this nonsense .... please get back to the numbers RantRant

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Nice cover story.

Is the whole sleeper cell going or just you?

Another poor attempt at wit. Nothing important to say. Sleeper cell, well at least you're updating your lies with something fresh. The unfortunate part is that I see right through you once again. Another failed attempt with diversion.

Poor Ridge. He does try though....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 29, 2011

Another poor attempt at wit. Nothing important to say. Sleeper cell, well at least you're updating your lies with something fresh. The unfortunate part is that I see right through you once again. Another failed attempt with diversion.

Poor Ridge. He does try though....

Did all of you finish your flying lessons?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by paradisenow on Jun 29, 2011

Wow rdgrnr  and joker17 should pull out a ruler to see who is the biggest and stop this nonsense .... please get back to the numbers RantRant

Like i said earlier, it's futile, but i won't stand here taking crap from some wannabe Christian who has nothing but hatred in his heart. I won't take it. He can write till he goes blind, but I won't give him the satisfaction. He needs to know what an idiot he is for what he's doing. I got all the time in the world honey.

Someone has to stand up to the morons of this world.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by paradisenow on Jun 29, 2011

Wow rdgrnr  and joker17 should pull out a ruler to see who is the biggest and stop this nonsense .... please get back to the numbers RantRant

LOL -

But with all due respect, I don't foresee that ending well...

Besides, what's the harm, they're just tryin' to help one-another ++

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jun 29, 2011

LOL -

But with all due respect, I don't foresee that ending well...

Besides, what's the harm, they're just tryin' to help one-another ++

LOL, you got that right Cash, I'm trying to help him but he has to want the help or it's all in vain!

The poor little bugger is really confused.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Did all of you finish your flying lessons?

You forgot to answer that one, joker.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Did all of you finish your flying lessons?

You don't like that question, do you joker?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Did all of you finish your flying lessons?

Wonder why he doesn't wanna address that one? Hmmm...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Did all of you finish your flying lessons?

Nervous, joker?

CashWinner$

Yeah, that's why I ended my post w/ 2 "crosshairs"....lol..

You guys are 'pry' good guys, just shootin' your thoughts back & forth like ammo... Wink

You all have a good night...I'm off to Zzzz'Land......

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Nervous, joker?

There must be a few scientists that you want to burn at the stake alive.

Or maybe you want to go on a crusade and round up anyone who doesn't agree with you and beat them and then killem.

Truecritic was right, you're as bad as those losers in the Westboro Baptist church. They even look like they could be some of your relatives. Bunch of redneck toothless sheep fookers...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 29, 2011

Did all of you finish your flying lessons?

Answer the question, joker.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

Answer the question, joker.

Go eff yourself loser !

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

Go eff yourself loser !

The job market for cab drivers must be really booming in California, huh?

Nobody needs rides anymore in Florida I guess.

Maybe they all bought bicycles, whataya think?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

The job market for cab drivers must be really booming in California, huh?

Nobody needs rides anymore in Florida I guess.

Maybe they all bought bicycles, whataya think?

Actually yes, you're correct. You may wanna knock the cab driver industry down, but I can make great cash money everyday that I work. I can make 150 bucks a day.

Florida, especially where I live now, has been hit the hardest by the economy and real estate. It's a tourist area, so we got hit thrice.

So that's why I'm moving to where the money is.

Something wrong with this?

Ok, cmon, I know you're just itching to make another cab driver stink joke. I take showers everyday, speak fluent English, and I'm a U.S. Navy veteran.

You can make all the hateful remarks you want, but everyone who's been reading these pages knows they are unfounded.

I know what yur plan has been all along. You are purposely making racist comments in order to hurt my feelings. You do this in an attempt to show me how hateful I've been toward Christians by giving me a taste of my own medicine....oh I get...I'm not an idiot.

The problem with that strategy is two fold. First, what I write about Christianity is true, and what you write about my supposed hygiene habits, and woman abuse among others, is totally unfounded. You know that, I know that, and everyone reading this knows that.

It's a poor attempt to make your point. Why?...because you have nothing valuable to say in backing up your delusions except for cheap 12 year old mentality shots.

I'm waiting for the childish mother jokes next. I'm surprised you haven't used them yet.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

Actually yes, you're correct. You may wanna knock the cab driver industry down, but I can make great cash money everyday that I work. I can make 150 bucks a day.

Florida, especially where I live now, has been hit the hardest by the economy and real estate. It's a tourist area, so we got hit thrice.

So that's why I'm moving to where the money is.

Something wrong with this?

Ok, cmon, I know you're just itching to make another cab driver stink joke. I take showers everyday, speak fluent English, and I'm a U.S. Navy veteran.

You can make all the hateful remarks you want, but everyone who's been reading these pages knows they are unfounded.

I know what yur plan has been all along. You are purposely making racist comments in order to hurt my feelings. You do this in an attempt to show me how hateful I've been toward Christians by giving me a taste of my own medicine....oh I get...I'm not an idiot.

The problem with that strategy is two fold. First, what I write about Christianity is true, and what you write about my supposed hygiene habits, and woman abuse among others, is totally unfounded. You know that, I know that, and everyone reading this knows that.

It's a poor attempt to make your point. Why?...because you have nothing valuable to say in backing up your delusions except for cheap 12 year old mentality shots.

I'm waiting for the childish mother jokes next. I'm surprised you haven't used them yet.

"I'm waiting for the childish mother jokes next. I'm surprised you haven't used them yet."

 

Uh... What's a childish mother?

 

And uh... You're the only one who has insulted anybody's family here, a couple of posts ago, remember?  I don't do that kind of stuff. I don't stoop that low. I have more class and decency then to do something as low as insulting your family. I'll slap you silly but I'll leave your family out of it. That's the big difference between me and you - you have no class whatsoever.

And though I know you would be too cowardly to insult my family to my face, you would be spittin' out teeth if you ever dared to.

Believe that. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

"I'm waiting for the childish mother jokes next. I'm surprised you haven't used them yet."

 

Uh... What's a childish mother?

 

And uh... You're the only one who has insulted anybody's family here, a couple of posts ago, remember?  I don't do that kind of stuff. I don't stoop that low. I have more class and decency then to do something as low as insulting your family. I'll slap you silly but I'll leave your family out of it. That's the big difference between me and you - you have no class whatsoever.

And though I know you would be too cowardly to insult my family to my face, you would be spittin' out teeth if you ever dared to.

Believe that. 

Now you're playing dumb. Actually you don't play dumb, you ARE dumb.

I had to stoop down to your low level just to make you understand because a retard like you doesn't have common sense. A loser like you only understands cheap shots, so I had to make them so you can taste your own cheap medicine.

Touching me in any way would be the last thing you do. BELIEVE THAT.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Buddy rdgrnr,

I'll try again. 

What say?  Time for a permanent truce?  Time to apologize and and be civil?  Time to call people by their screen names?  Time to quit your 3rd grade derogatory remarks?

I mean really, you enjoy spending your time here like this?  There is so much more here.  If you really want to find the atheists and set them straight, I bet there are plenty of other websites. 

You don't have to apologize because I
brought it up.  Just do it because it
is the right thing to do

You know it is the right thing,
unless you have an axe to grind!

rdgrnr

Oops, darn, I see you do have an axe!
Completely accidental, I assure you.
It was the only picture I could find
of you on the net.

If it will make you feel better, just go ahead and say the permanent truce was your idea, I don't care.  Just do the right thing.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

Actually yes, you're correct. You may wanna knock the cab driver industry down, but I can make great cash money everyday that I work. I can make 150 bucks a day.

Florida, especially where I live now, has been hit the hardest by the economy and real estate. It's a tourist area, so we got hit thrice.

So that's why I'm moving to where the money is.

Something wrong with this?

Ok, cmon, I know you're just itching to make another cab driver stink joke. I take showers everyday, speak fluent English, and I'm a U.S. Navy veteran.

You can make all the hateful remarks you want, but everyone who's been reading these pages knows they are unfounded.

I know what yur plan has been all along. You are purposely making racist comments in order to hurt my feelings. You do this in an attempt to show me how hateful I've been toward Christians by giving me a taste of my own medicine....oh I get...I'm not an idiot.

The problem with that strategy is two fold. First, what I write about Christianity is true, and what you write about my supposed hygiene habits, and woman abuse among others, is totally unfounded. You know that, I know that, and everyone reading this knows that.

It's a poor attempt to make your point. Why?...because you have nothing valuable to say in backing up your delusions except for cheap 12 year old mentality shots.

I'm waiting for the childish mother jokes next. I'm surprised you haven't used them yet.

"I can make 150 bucks a day."

  Yeah, but here's the sad part: You actually think that's good money.

 

"So that's why I'm moving to where the money is."

Yeah, everybody knows California is booming right now, yeah, they're just rolling in dough out there. No money problems whatsoever in California! LOL

joker17

Ridge says he has class becuase he'll leave my family out of it. What a load of crap. You wouldn't know class If it hit upside your head at 100 MPH.

You have as much class as a rat in the gutters of N.Y.C.

What a joke !

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

"I can make 150 bucks a day."

  Yeah, but here's the sad part: You actually think that's good money.

 

"So that's why I'm moving to where the money is."

Yeah, everybody knows California is booming right now, yeah, they're just rolling in dough out there. No money problems whatsoever in California! LOL

It's not good money, but everything is relative. It's more than I'm making now. A lot more. Then I can work 5 or 6 days a week so I can raise the 4 or 5 grand so I can open an online account and use that guy's sytem to generate what he generated, which was over 250 grand in a little over 6 months now.

 

And that's where you're wrong about Cali as opposed to where I live now. The Govt. may be broke, but the job market is booming. My sister told me last week that she personally knows a cab driver working in the same town where she lives and he works 6 days a week and makes between 700 to a 1,000 a week after all expenses. That may not be all that much according to you, but to me it's a starting point to better my situation.

For a non-skilled job, I'd say that;s good money. Not to mention hwo so many people with degrees aren't even making half of that now. These kids are getting out of college and universities thinking they got it made with that piece of paper in hand.

Maybe you should read the news more often instead of spending your whole day here making cheap and uninformed shots.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

Ridge says he has class becuase he'll leave my family out of it. What a load of crap. You wouldn't know class If it hit upside your head at 100 MPH.

You have as much class as a rat in the gutters of N.Y.C.

What a joke !

Tell me something mini-man.

Are flying lessons half-off when you only learn to takeoff and not land?

joker17

Do some homewrok and you'll see the difference. Open two browsers on your computer. One of them make a Fort Myers, florida craigslist in the JOB section, and the other open up craigslist with the Los Angeles craigslist JOB section, and compare any category of jobs. You'll see the difference is night and day.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

Do some homewrok and you'll see the difference. Open two browsers on your computer. One of them make a Fort Myers, florida craigslist in the JOB section, and the other open up craigslist with the Los Angeles craigslist JOB section, and compare any category of jobs. You'll see the difference is night and day.

Sounds like a half way decent cover story.

Hell, I'm convinced.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

Sounds like a half way decent cover story.

Hell, I'm convinced.

Don't take my word for it, do it yourself and see.

Why the hell would I got all the way to Cali If there was no work there? I might as well stay here in this hell hole.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

Don't take my word for it, do it yourself and see.

Why the hell would I got all the way to Cali If there was no work there? I might as well stay here in this hell hole.

I don't know, maybe you'd like to be closer to that nuclear power plant you and your buddies used to live by for some reason.

Just sayin'...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

I don't know, maybe you'd like to be closer to that nuclear power plant you and your buddies used to live by for some reason.

Just sayin'...

It figures.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

It figures.

Yes it does, doesn't it?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

Yes it does, doesn't it?

What soldier's funeral are going to protest next? I bet the Westboro Baptist church would make you the leader once they saw how hateful you are. They'd love you big time.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

What soldier's funeral are going to protest next? I bet the Westboro Baptist church would make you the leader once they saw how hateful you are. They'd love you big time.

Don't want to discuss the nuclear power plant anymore?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

Don't want to discuss the nuclear power plant anymore?

I used to work in the Palos Verdes Nuclear powerplant in Tonopah AZ, back in 1988, and that's why I lived near it.

But you're eluding the Church question. C'mon, your mother would be proud of you considering she brought you up with that dirty mouth of yours.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

I used to work in the Palos Verdes Nuclear powerplant in Tonopah AZ, back in 1988, and that's why I lived near it.

But you're eluding the Church question. C'mon, your mother would be proud of you considering she brought you up with that dirty mouth of yours.

Yeah, I know.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

Yeah, I know.

That's all you have to say? What happened to little runt cab driver?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

That's all you have to say? What happened to little runt cab driver?

When are you moving?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 30, 2011

When are you moving?

In about 30 days. I'm trying to save as much as I can with the meager amount of money I make here. I've got $1,200 saved so far, and hope to have maybe another 6 hundred in one month. Hopefully. If not, I'll have to go with what I have.

joker17

You know what Ridge, I'm gonna stop with all my disparaging comments. You can continue on with yours, I don't care anymore.

Calling you or anyone names is really not my style, and doesn't get anything accompished anyways. So you can continue, but I won't.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 30, 2011

You know what Ridge, I'm gonna stop with all my disparaging comments. You can continue on with yours, I don't care anymore.

Calling you or anyone names is really not my style, and doesn't get anything accompished anyways. So you can continue, but I won't.

Good idea Joker17.

Besides, this sort of ranting back and forth just keeps people from thinking about the real issues of a lottery site, like the Gambler's Fallacy and how it allows people to subscribe to the absurd belief that they can beat the odds if they just keep trying new systems.  Of course, there are elements posting here who have a vested interest in promoting diversions like this.  "Follow The Money" is a famous saying for good reasons.

--Jimmy4164

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

Do you think having worked at a nuclear plant may have affected you?

Scared

Just kidding!

The Super Book at the Las Vegas Hilton has the O/U on this thread at 73 (pages).

Lep

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Coin Toss

"The Super Book at the Las Vegas Hilton has the O/U on this thread at 73 (pages)."

How much could you win if you bet $100 that it does not make it to page 73?

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 30, 2011

joker17,

Do you think having worked at a nuclear plant may have affected you?

Scared

Just kidding!

The Super Book at the Las Vegas Hilton has the O/U on this thread at 73 (pages).

Lep

you can get a line on anything in that town,remember the movie,the gauntlet w/ clint eastwood ?

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

truecritic,

The Over is the favorite on the money line, the Under is the dog.

Right now it's something like

Over - $3.80

Under + 3.60

(This is a made up line folks)

_______________________________

haymaker,

For awhile Vegas was posting odds on quite a lot of non-sporting events, until the series Dallas announced the "Who Shot JR" episode would be forthcoming.

The Vegas sports books got concerned that some in-the-know Hollywood writers might change the story and come to town and make some huge bets on it, knowing who it would be.

At the time there were also no bets taken on UNLV games, either. The thinking was that there would be just too much opportunity for collusion.

Back in the late 1970s the El Cortez ws even booking action on where Skylab would land. They offered a $1,000,000 for a $1 bet if a piece of it landed on the roof of the hotel.

(It landed in or near Australia).

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 30, 2011

truecritic,

The Over is the favorite on the money line, the Under is the dog.

Right now it's something like

Over - $3.80

Under + 3.60

(This is a made up line folks)

_______________________________

haymaker,

For awhile Vegas was posting odds on quite a lot of non-sporting events, until the series Dallas announced the "Who Shot JR" episode would be forthcoming.

The Vegas sports books got concerned that some in-the-know Hollywood writers might change the story and come to town and make some huge bets on it, knowing who it would be.

At the time there were also no bets taken on UNLV games, either. The thinking was that there would be just too much opportunity for collusion.

Back in the late 1970s the El Cortez ws even booking action on where Skylab would land. They offered a $1,000,000 for a $1 bet if a piece of it landed on the roof of the hotel.

(It landed in or near Australia).

i guess in the old days even the owners were gambling in a way.when i went to work for a atlantic city casino,back in 87 the owners had an attitude that it was a fun business and it should be a fun place to work.that was true then, now its just like any other corp. i'm not involved in casino ops, i'm in engineeering.almost forgot to mention it changed owners and that is when the fun went away.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Coin Toss + haymaker

Hey!  You guys are padding this with fluff trying to make it go over!

 

(I didn't want to even post because I have my $100 going for under - I went with the big $3.80 payout - if it goes over by 1 post, that means my post pushed it over the line)  Big Grin

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jun 30, 2011

i guess in the old days even the owners were gambling in a way.when i went to work for a atlantic city casino,back in 87 the owners had an attitude that it was a fun business and it should be a fun place to work.that was true then, now its just like any other corp. i'm not involved in casino ops, i'm in engineeering.almost forgot to mention it changed owners and that is when the fun went away.

truecritic,

No padding involved with this post!

haymaker,

Gee, I was in Vegas from 1977 to 1993, then river boats here and there. I think AC opened in 1979 - (Resorts?). Even back then we would have players on the game every weekend from Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc...and ask them why they came to Vegas and not AC.

They said in compatison AC was like checking into Soviet run hotels or something.

The Vegas dealers hated AC because it pretty well went to destroy the tip system in Vegas. Most dealers figured if they were going to deal every day or night and out up with all that goes with it they'd get paid every day. But AC introduced the paychcks one payday and tip checks the next and that's pretty much the standard now.

When we started getting dealers from AC they could get around the layout expertly but when we asked them a question like "What's the best night you ever had?" (meaning tip-wise) they'd just say, "I don't know what you're talking about".

Most of the river boat casinos are based on the "AC model" (management) and some of the pit bosses aren't even in the pits, they stay in an office in the lower deck of the boat and monitor the action (drops on the games, win/loss) on computers.

Things were definitely better when The Outfit ran things.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 30, 2011

Coin Toss + haymaker

Hey!  You guys are padding this with fluff trying to make it go over!

 

(I didn't want to even post because I have my $100 going for under - I went with the big $3.80 payout - if it goes over by 1 post, that means my post pushed it over the line)  Big Grin

no padding.got no dog in that fight.i don't gamble in casinos,strictly lottery and horses.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 30, 2011

truecritic,

No padding involved with this post!

haymaker,

Gee, I was in Vegas from 1977 to 1993, then river boats here and there. I think AC opened in 1979 - (Resorts?). Even back then we would have players on the game every weekend from Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc...and ask them why they came to Vegas and not AC.

They said in compatison AC was like checking into Soviet run hotels or something.

The Vegas dealers hated AC because it pretty well went to destroy the tip system in Vegas. Most dealers figured if they were going to deal every day or night and out up with all that goes with it they'd get paid every day. But AC introduced the paychcks one payday and tip checks the next and that's pretty much the standard now.

When we started getting dealers from AC they could get around the layout expertly but when we asked them a question like "What's the best night you ever had?" (meaning tip-wise) they'd just say, "I don't know what you're talking about".

Most of the river boat casinos are based on the "AC model" (management) and some of the pit bosses aren't even in the pits, they stay in an office in the lower deck of the boat and monitor the action (drops on the games, win/loss) on computers.

Things were definitely better when The Outfit ran things.

resorts was 1st to open 1978. i don.t if the toke system has improved any for the dealers,except for poker dealers who are seperate and do not pool their tips. VEGAS GOTTA LOVE BABY!

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 1, 2011

resorts was 1st to open 1978. i don.t if the toke system has improved any for the dealers,except for poker dealers who are seperate and do not pool their tips. VEGAS GOTTA LOVE BABY!

I was playing Let it Ride and had a $5 bet for the dealer and hit a full house (11 to 1). The next hand the dealer asked me to put the blacks into my pocket so the regular dealer wouldn't know I made a nice hit. I'm assuming she was the break dealer and was suppose to split any tips with the regular dealer.

I'm not a dealer but I know there is a huge difference between splitting the tips and a few dealers and splitting them with all the dealers.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 1, 2011

I was playing Let it Ride and had a $5 bet for the dealer and hit a full house (11 to 1). The next hand the dealer asked me to put the blacks into my pocket so the regular dealer wouldn't know I made a nice hit. I'm assuming she was the break dealer and was suppose to split any tips with the regular dealer.

I'm not a dealer but I know there is a huge difference between splitting the tips and a few dealers and splitting them with all the dealers.

stack 47 direct this to coin toss, i work in a casino,but in the maint. div.only thing  i can add is maybe that the dealer liked you.told you to put the blacks in you:re pocket  so you would not lose to much $. WHAT DO YOU THINK COIN TOSS ? i'm just there to work on the keys,locks and security systems

joker17

Dang it, eff this BS, come out Ridge...This is too freaking boring. I need to berate you more....

This "Nice Guy" crap ain't working dude. You better git.......................................................................................NOW!

 

 

 

ROFL                       

             

             Green laugh

 

Sorry Folks, I was getting withdrawls. I got it off my chest now................................Carry On.........Guitar

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Stack47,

Would have to have been there. The first dealer could have been yanking the floorperson's chain (blacks are like a sensitive item in the military and their whereabouts should always be known), or it could have been any of several other things.

There's many ways of splitting tips but pocket jobs (evety one on their own) are just about gone except for poker dealers and maybe some baccarat crews.

******************

Sorry to bore you joker.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 2, 2011

Stack47,

Would have to have been there. The first dealer could have been yanking the floorperson's chain (blacks are like a sensitive item in the military and their whereabouts should always be known), or it could have been any of several other things.

There's many ways of splitting tips but pocket jobs (evety one on their own) are just about gone except for poker dealers and maybe some baccarat crews.

******************

Sorry to bore you joker.

Most of the casinos in the east have tip boxes on the left side of the table and the dealers will click the chips on the box so the floorman will hear it before they go in. I've seen that in Nevada too, but I saw dealers put the tips into their shirt pocket in some smaller casinos.

I always thought the reason the larger casinos split the tips among all the dealers was because of a collective bargaining agreement.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 2, 2011

Dang it, eff this BS, come out Ridge...This is too freaking boring. I need to berate you more....

This "Nice Guy" crap ain't working dude. You better git.......................................................................................NOW!

 

 

 

ROFL                       

             

             Green laugh

 

Sorry Folks, I was getting withdrawls. I got it off my chest now................................Carry On.........Guitar

Yeah, I'm kinda hopin' some lady wins a jackpot and thanks her saviors: Buddha, God, Jesus, Mary, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, Allah and Fido (her dog...naturally)...

That ahhh'tahhh get things started Hyper

 

 

Til then...Good Luck Tonight Everyone! Hope your numbers HIT - Party

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 2, 2011

Most of the casinos in the east have tip boxes on the left side of the table and the dealers will click the chips on the box so the floorman will hear it before they go in. I've seen that in Nevada too, but I saw dealers put the tips into their shirt pocket in some smaller casinos.

I always thought the reason the larger casinos split the tips among all the dealers was because of a collective bargaining agreement.

Stack47,

All the tokes on a crap table are collected by the stickman. When he gets tapped off the stick (he or she, I'm a dinosaur from the pre- stick-"person" days) as they go around to the base they drop the toles in a toke box.

21 dealers do the same with a box in the 21 pit.

The tokes are then gathered at the end of the shift and may be spit up pit for pit, shift for shift, or all three shifts combined.

Some crap dealers used to work table for table, each crew kept what they made.

Way back when 21 was also a "pocket" job, every one was on their own but too many favorites were being played. Some dealers got $5 or $25 tables every night some never did. So those on $1 games got toked dollars for the most part. Same hours, same job, great differences in the $.

One place where I worked gave the 21 dealers a full share of tokes for 4 hours. Not real fair there. The "early-out"? addicts were making the same in tips as those working the full shift.

After AC opened and then Vegas casinos started building twin towers to expand, the casinos basically "gave" the dealers to the tax people. Whne new casinos were buolt the deal was "Give us the dealers". Most every place became a 24 hour split and whether you were the best hustler in the joint or never asked for a bet you made the same. Who is going to risk getting fired for hustling when whatever you get is going to be split 164 ways or more. (some still did.)

Then after AC opened and the business went to a paycheck for wages one pay perios and a toke check the next, instead of "What were tokes last night?" the question became "What's the toke rate this check?"

There's an old Vegas joke that getting fired for hustling wa so common that it provided Vegas with its cab drivers.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 2, 2011

Stack47,

All the tokes on a crap table are collected by the stickman. When he gets tapped off the stick (he or she, I'm a dinosaur from the pre- stick-"person" days) as they go around to the base they drop the toles in a toke box.

21 dealers do the same with a box in the 21 pit.

The tokes are then gathered at the end of the shift and may be spit up pit for pit, shift for shift, or all three shifts combined.

Some crap dealers used to work table for table, each crew kept what they made.

Way back when 21 was also a "pocket" job, every one was on their own but too many favorites were being played. Some dealers got $5 or $25 tables every night some never did. So those on $1 games got toked dollars for the most part. Same hours, same job, great differences in the $.

One place where I worked gave the 21 dealers a full share of tokes for 4 hours. Not real fair there. The "early-out"? addicts were making the same in tips as those working the full shift.

After AC opened and then Vegas casinos started building twin towers to expand, the casinos basically "gave" the dealers to the tax people. Whne new casinos were buolt the deal was "Give us the dealers". Most every place became a 24 hour split and whether you were the best hustler in the joint or never asked for a bet you made the same. Who is going to risk getting fired for hustling when whatever you get is going to be split 164 ways or more. (some still did.)

Then after AC opened and the business went to a paycheck for wages one pay perios and a toke check the next, instead of "What were tokes last night?" the question became "What's the toke rate this check?"

There's an old Vegas joke that getting fired for hustling wa so common that it provided Vegas with its cab drivers.

coin toss,in my early days on the job it looked like the dealers had a good deal for themselves,at one point i did go to school for craps.as time passed i came realize this is a pretty tough job,some people i used to talk to in the breakroom would tell me "i'm outta here" asked where there going they would always say "outta the business"

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

haymaker,

(Maybe we should move this to Gaming but this thread is so far off the OP anyway, what the heck...)

Secondary smoke and noise alone are more than enough reason for anyone to leave the business. You get an 8 to 12 hour (or 16 if you get nailed for a double) solid stream of smokers, most of whom while blowing smoke in your face say, "Well I don't smoke that much".

That, and stress, casino work is considered very stressful. A lor of it is "adult daycare", whining players who will kvetch about losing a few bucks for hours on end. There are actually players who would go up to the room and have  aprty for getting a dealer fired. 

Then there's pit bosses and shift bosses who act like the money is coming out of their own pockets when a game is getting beat. Some are sweaters and the worse ones are called bleeders, they bleed the money. Old joke, that's why the carpets were usually red.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 2, 2011

Yeah, I'm kinda hopin' some lady wins a jackpot and thanks her saviors: Buddha, God, Jesus, Mary, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, Allah and Fido (her dog...naturally)...

That ahhh'tahhh get things started Hyper

 

 

Til then...Good Luck Tonight Everyone! Hope your numbers HIT - Party

Ok, forget old ladies, I'll leave them alone, but If anyone else says it..................... WATCH OUT !

BTW, you forgot one of my favorite Gods, the "JU JU" God, (spelling?)

He/It lives in the mountains of Africa....

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 3, 2011

Ok, forget old ladies, I'll leave them alone, but If anyone else says it..................... WATCH OUT !

BTW, you forgot one of my favorite Gods, the "JU JU" God, (spelling?)

He/It lives in the mountains of Africa....

joker something i found a few weeks ago.

 

Jesus would have said, I'm going to create Man and Woman with original sin.
Then I'm going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be
born,, once alive I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself, to save you from
the sin I originally condemned you to.

Thats your dose of relaity for today
rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

This thread was pretty wild. If I had placed a bet on over/under 73 pages, I would have bet over. Oops.... I think this did it!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jul 3, 2011

joker something i found a few weeks ago.

 

Jesus would have said, I'm going to create Man and Woman with original sin.
Then I'm going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be
born,, once alive I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself, to save you from
the sin I originally condemned you to.

Thats your dose of relaity for today

That makes perfect sense to me.....

Only a fool would believe that story wasn't true. I mean, afterall it was written in a book.

Crazy

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 3, 2011

This thread was pretty wild. If I had placed a bet on over/under 73 pages, I would have bet over. Oops.... I think this did it!

@truecritic,was,nt me.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 3, 2011

This thread was pretty wild. If I had placed a bet on over/under 73 pages, I would have bet over. Oops.... I think this did it!

will vegas take a new line now ?

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 3, 2011

That makes perfect sense to me.....

Only a fool would believe that story wasn't true. I mean, afterall it was written in a book.

Crazy

go for 100 pages!

joker17

I feel so sorry for all those (20,000 kids a DAY) or hundreds of millions of innocent kids that have died an untimely, long and gruesome death in third world countries for all those decades or much longer now, considering they never accepted Jesus as savior. So now or later, they will be burning in HELL FIRE for ETERNITY because as everyone knows, NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God or heaven unless they accept Jesus as their lord and savior.

So If it wasn't bad enough that they lived a hell on Earth, NOW, they'll experience something that will eclipse what they went through on Earth with something thousands of times worse.......... forever......

Just remember folks.....GOD LOVES YOU !!!

joker17

And if you pray really really hard, God may get distracted from the whole 20,000 kids suffering and dying EVERYDAY and grant you a win in the lottery. Even If it's for a few thousand bucks.

You never know, God may put you ahead of much more important things in the world. People do say God works in mysterious ways.

So next time I win 500 bucks, I'm gonna thank God because I know it was divine intervention. For whatever reason, (and who really cares why right?) God will stop everything he's doing and make sure that I win that 500 bucks because I really needed it at that moment. What a guy !

Praise the Lord !

joker17

Why do humans have an appendix, or men have nipples?

The appendix and nipples on men play no active role. Something wrong with that picture....RED FLAG number 1.

Humans share 98% of the genes with Chimps...................................................................................RED FLAG number 2.

How can the unverse only be a few thousand years old when it takes the  light from certain galaxies billions of light years to reach Earth?..................................................................RED FLAG number 3.

Adam and Eve didn't know right from wrong before eating the apple but were condemned anyway............RED FLAG number 4.

How did Noah sustain a Penguin's life with no ice for 40 days?..............................................................................RED FLAG number 5.

How can all religions be correct at the same time?.....................................................................................................RED FLAG number 6.

 

Now that's only 6 flags. But the sad part is..... I have about another HUNDRED, If not more RED FLAGS, and counting....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 3, 2011

go for 100 pages!

It's not about the over and under. It's about finding the TRUTH....

I may not know what the TRUTH is, but so far, I know what it's not. 

Now that's profound !

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 3, 2011

go for 100 pages!

ROFL

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 3, 2011

Ok, forget old ladies, I'll leave them alone, but If anyone else says it..................... WATCH OUT !

BTW, you forgot one of my favorite Gods, the "JU JU" God, (spelling?)

He/It lives in the mountains of Africa....

Ohhh, thanks for the heads-up, joker...

Maybe I will meet Him/It someday when I go on safari.... Wink

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Just in from the Super Book at the Hilton...they received notice to suspend action on the O/U on this thread.

The directive was signed Gulf Oscar Delta.

Scared

CashWinner$

Gulf Oscar Delta Green laugh

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 4, 2011

Why do humans have an appendix, or men have nipples?

The appendix and nipples on men play no active role. Something wrong with that picture....RED FLAG number 1.

Humans share 98% of the genes with Chimps...................................................................................RED FLAG number 2.

How can the unverse only be a few thousand years old when it takes the  light from certain galaxies billions of light years to reach Earth?..................................................................RED FLAG number 3.

Adam and Eve didn't know right from wrong before eating the apple but were condemned anyway............RED FLAG number 4.

How did Noah sustain a Penguin's life with no ice for 40 days?..............................................................................RED FLAG number 5.

How can all religions be correct at the same time?.....................................................................................................RED FLAG number 6.

 

Now that's only 6 flags. But the sad part is..... I have about another HUNDRED, If not more RED FLAGS, and counting....

I have a few red flags of my own.

First it seems to me that someone lied when they took the oath to pretect and defend the US constution.

Seems to me the same person wants to engage in illegal acts of gambling offshore.

Seems to me that this act envolves not reporting all income to prevent paying taxes.

Seems to me that being a US citizen does mot make one an american.

To down play one of the most basic human rights of true americans on the 4th of July is an abomination.

To flee a country where you would put to death for your views and then trash the country that gave you

refuge, freedom, a place to live and oppurtuinty make a good living shows you lack character.

I bet the US tax payers funded your family upon your arrival here for at least basic living expence.

You think that freedom of speech allows you to say anything on your mind even if it denies the rights

given by the first amendement.

 

Why do humans have nipples?  Why not. 

Why do humans have appendix? Because we once needed them

I once heard that dogs shared the most dna with humans.

No where in the bible does it say the world is only 6000 years old.

Adam and Eve were told no to eat from the tree.  both knew that they would die if they ate it.

I think you should research few things and and not rely on the knowledge of others like yoursellf.

 

PS. GOD helped me win a JP.  Told me to change one setting that resulted in a JP win.

RL

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 4, 2011

Just in from the Super Book at the Hilton...they received notice to suspend action on the O/U on this thread.

The directive was signed Gulf Oscar Delta.

Scared

I was in total shock to read that!

In fact, I wasn't sure your guy could do that, there would be a huge amount of refunds.  So I checked with my contact, Gary Owens Davis.  He said, believe me, your $100 should be back in your account by tomorrow!

OK...but so far I don't see any extra money.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 4, 2011

I have a few red flags of my own.

First it seems to me that someone lied when they took the oath to pretect and defend the US constution.

Seems to me the same person wants to engage in illegal acts of gambling offshore.

Seems to me that this act envolves not reporting all income to prevent paying taxes.

Seems to me that being a US citizen does mot make one an american.

To down play one of the most basic human rights of true americans on the 4th of July is an abomination.

To flee a country where you would put to death for your views and then trash the country that gave you

refuge, freedom, a place to live and oppurtuinty make a good living shows you lack character.

I bet the US tax payers funded your family upon your arrival here for at least basic living expence.

You think that freedom of speech allows you to say anything on your mind even if it denies the rights

given by the first amendement.

 

Why do humans have nipples?  Why not. 

Why do humans have appendix? Because we once needed them

I once heard that dogs shared the most dna with humans.

No where in the bible does it say the world is only 6000 years old.

Adam and Eve were told no to eat from the tree.  both knew that they would die if they ate it.

I think you should research few things and and not rely on the knowledge of others like yoursellf.

 

PS. GOD helped me win a JP.  Told me to change one setting that resulted in a JP win.

RL

I applaud your effort RL. Few there are who will stand up to joker's arrogance and bullying and refusal to admit when he's wrong or when he's been caught lying. But that's in his genes; that's the norm in his culture and his country. He's our own little ayatollah, supreme over all that he sees. He's never wrong, ever.

His number one argument (red flag, as he calls it) that there is no God is that men have nipples. That tells us a lot right there. Though the talk of men's nipples may set truecricket and Nancy's hearts all aflutter with passion as they start flittering and fluttering and squealing all about and writhing in orgasmic splendor, most rational people would say they couldn't care less about men's nipples or why they have them. Joker, however, is obsessed with them, much to the delight of Nancy and truecricket. A creepy threesome if ever there was one. They must have their own little men's-nipple-worship cult. My skin crawls thinking about it. Creepy.

Though I applaud your effort, I just hope you realize that it's futile if you think there's any chance of him seriously considering anything you have to say that differs with the set-in-stone fairytale belief system that he lives by, promotes, preaches and insists that all Christians accept as truth.

I can describe him succinctly by combining his own two favorite words - Delusional Dumbass.

 

Congratulations on the JP!  Cheers

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 4, 2011

I was in total shock to read that!

In fact, I wasn't sure your guy could do that, there would be a huge amount of refunds.  So I checked with my contact, Gary Owens Davis.  He said, believe me, your $100 should be back in your account by tomorrow!

OK...but so far I don't see any extra money.

yea, just checked with my guy in vegas,george orwell dalton and he said the same thing and....hey wait these guys all have the same initials and they spell....hey wheres visiondude?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 4, 2011

I applaud your effort RL. Few there are who will stand up to joker's arrogance and bullying and refusal to admit when he's wrong or when he's been caught lying. But that's in his genes; that's the norm in his culture and his country. He's our own little ayatollah, supreme over all that he sees. He's never wrong, ever.

His number one argument (red flag, as he calls it) that there is no God is that men have nipples. That tells us a lot right there. Though the talk of men's nipples may set truecricket and Nancy's hearts all aflutter with passion as they start flittering and fluttering and squealing all about and writhing in orgasmic splendor, most rational people would say they couldn't care less about men's nipples or why they have them. Joker, however, is obsessed with them, much to the delight of Nancy and truecricket. A creepy threesome if ever there was one. They must have their own little men's-nipple-worship cult. My skin crawls thinking about it. Creepy.

Though I applaud your effort, I just hope you realize that it's futile if you think there's any chance of him seriously considering anything you have to say that differs with the set-in-stone fairytale belief system that he lives by, promotes, preaches and insists that all Christians accept as truth.

I can describe him succinctly by combining his own two favorite words - Delusional Dumbass.

 

Congratulations on the JP!  Cheers

Quote State Representative Gary Moore:

In his opinion, Rep. Moore said the law does not violate any constitutional protections, including freedom of speech.

"When you get into crossing the line so to speak you do not have a right to impose your speech on other people," he said.

rdgrnr,

You won't be able to open your mouth.  Everything you say and do is vile! You cross the line every time you post something.  Your word isn't worth the spit it takes to say something.  You gave your word to say something only to protect "little old ladies."  - Oh, I get it, now you are calling RL a little old lady.  You want to keep starting it up? 

You just can't post something without derogatory remarks, can you???   

Let's see how many people you shoot and kill over this law when they tell you to shutup. 

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Starting Friday, Tennessee drivers caught with obscene or patently offensive bumper stickers, window signs or other markings on their vehicle visible to other drivers face an automatic $50 fine.

The law also includes movies other drivers can see playing inside of vehicles, including adult films."

Stricter offensive bumper sticker law takes effect in TN :
http://www.wkrn.com/story/15009792/stricter-offensive-bumper-sticker-law-takes-effect

You want to keep starting up, fine!   Keep posting queer stuff.  Keep posting 3rd grade BS.  Let's see...sticks and stones might break my bones....names will never hurt.

You truly are a dumbass.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 4, 2011

I applaud your effort RL. Few there are who will stand up to joker's arrogance and bullying and refusal to admit when he's wrong or when he's been caught lying. But that's in his genes; that's the norm in his culture and his country. He's our own little ayatollah, supreme over all that he sees. He's never wrong, ever.

His number one argument (red flag, as he calls it) that there is no God is that men have nipples. That tells us a lot right there. Though the talk of men's nipples may set truecricket and Nancy's hearts all aflutter with passion as they start flittering and fluttering and squealing all about and writhing in orgasmic splendor, most rational people would say they couldn't care less about men's nipples or why they have them. Joker, however, is obsessed with them, much to the delight of Nancy and truecricket. A creepy threesome if ever there was one. They must have their own little men's-nipple-worship cult. My skin crawls thinking about it. Creepy.

Though I applaud your effort, I just hope you realize that it's futile if you think there's any chance of him seriously considering anything you have to say that differs with the set-in-stone fairytale belief system that he lives by, promotes, preaches and insists that all Christians accept as truth.

I can describe him succinctly by combining his own two favorite words - Delusional Dumbass.

 

Congratulations on the JP!  Cheers

L....M.....A....O..... LOL It took me damm near 5 minutes to get through the 2nd paragraph...I was almost weeping LOL 

Wow.....LP is Awesome!! Not only numbers, but nipples toooooo....... Green laugh

I think I'm rational most of the time, so yeah, I've never really thought about the status of a dude's nipples...

But hey, whatever you're into......... 

One other thing: How can someone say that a male appendix plays no active role??? 

I beg to differ......

Anyhow, joking aside, I'm curious about the religious connections???????

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 4, 2011

Quote State Representative Gary Moore:

In his opinion, Rep. Moore said the law does not violate any constitutional protections, including freedom of speech.

"When you get into crossing the line so to speak you do not have a right to impose your speech on other people," he said.

rdgrnr,

You won't be able to open your mouth.  Everything you say and do is vile! You cross the line every time you post something.  Your word isn't worth the spit it takes to say something.  You gave your word to say something only to protect "little old ladies."  - Oh, I get it, now you are calling RL a little old lady.  You want to keep starting it up? 

You just can't post something without derogatory remarks, can you???   

Let's see how many people you shoot and kill over this law when they tell you to shutup. 

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Starting Friday, Tennessee drivers caught with obscene or patently offensive bumper stickers, window signs or other markings on their vehicle visible to other drivers face an automatic $50 fine.

The law also includes movies other drivers can see playing inside of vehicles, including adult films."

Stricter offensive bumper sticker law takes effect in TN :
http://www.wkrn.com/story/15009792/stricter-offensive-bumper-sticker-law-takes-effect

You want to keep starting up, fine!   Keep posting queer stuff.  Keep posting 3rd grade BS.  Let's see...sticks and stones might break my bones....names will never hurt.

You truly are a dumbass.

The only people that law is going to affect is libs like you, princess.

Libs think they can post any foul, obscene message they want on their vehicles for women and children to see and be disgusted by. They apparently get off on it. Well, get over it panty-waist princess, it ain't happenin' anymore. Learn it, live it, love it.

 

You know what though, princess? I do have a certain amount of respect for you.

Everytime I try to picture all of the people here that I respect the most, I have to admit, I picture you right there with them.

Making their fries.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 4, 2011

L....M.....A....O..... LOL It took me damm near 5 minutes to get through the 2nd paragraph...I was almost weeping LOL 

Wow.....LP is Awesome!! Not only numbers, but nipples toooooo....... Green laugh

I think I'm rational most of the time, so yeah, I've never really thought about the status of a dude's nipples...

But hey, whatever you're into......... 

One other thing: How can someone say that a male appendix plays no active role??? 

I beg to differ......

Anyhow, joking aside, I'm curious about the religious connections???????

Wanted to add: I am for religious-freedom!!

I have just never heard of these types of connections before and am quite interested to learn more about it....

Believe me; I decide my own veracity!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 4, 2011

Wanted to add: I am for religious-freedom!!

I have just never heard of these types of connections before and am quite interested to learn more about it....

Believe me; I decide my own veracity!

I haven't heard of those kinds of connections before either, Cash.

But those three want to connect their sick little fetish to everything. Sick puppies.

I find it revolting.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 4, 2011

Quote State Representative Gary Moore:

In his opinion, Rep. Moore said the law does not violate any constitutional protections, including freedom of speech.

"When you get into crossing the line so to speak you do not have a right to impose your speech on other people," he said.

rdgrnr,

You won't be able to open your mouth.  Everything you say and do is vile! You cross the line every time you post something.  Your word isn't worth the spit it takes to say something.  You gave your word to say something only to protect "little old ladies."  - Oh, I get it, now you are calling RL a little old lady.  You want to keep starting it up? 

You just can't post something without derogatory remarks, can you???   

Let's see how many people you shoot and kill over this law when they tell you to shutup. 

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Starting Friday, Tennessee drivers caught with obscene or patently offensive bumper stickers, window signs or other markings on their vehicle visible to other drivers face an automatic $50 fine.

The law also includes movies other drivers can see playing inside of vehicles, including adult films."

Stricter offensive bumper sticker law takes effect in TN :
http://www.wkrn.com/story/15009792/stricter-offensive-bumper-sticker-law-takes-effect

You want to keep starting up, fine!   Keep posting queer stuff.  Keep posting 3rd grade BS.  Let's see...sticks and stones might break my bones....names will never hurt.

You truly are a dumbass.

There you go again with the Q word, princess.

I'm shocked and appalled.

You've really gotten mean-spirited since coming out.

Sometimes I wish you had just stayed in the closet.

You used to be so nice before you became a militant activist.

CashWinner$

Well I'm off to a BBQ...

Have a good night Ridge.....&.....Everyone else @ LP...

Have a Happy 4th & Good Luck on the numbers tonight!!

US Flag And A Special Thanks To Our Troops - Stay Safe Patriot

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 4, 2011

Well I'm off to a BBQ...

Have a good night Ridge.....&.....Everyone else @ LP...

Have a Happy 4th & Good Luck on the numbers tonight!!

US Flag And A Special Thanks To Our Troops - Stay Safe Patriot

Ni-night, Cash.

We did the BBQ yesterday which was a good thing cuz it rained most of the day today.

US FlagHappy Independence Day, God Bless America and Our Troops!US FlagPatriot

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 4, 2011

L....M.....A....O..... LOL It took me damm near 5 minutes to get through the 2nd paragraph...I was almost weeping LOL 

Wow.....LP is Awesome!! Not only numbers, but nipples toooooo....... Green laugh

I think I'm rational most of the time, so yeah, I've never really thought about the status of a dude's nipples...

But hey, whatever you're into......... 

One other thing: How can someone say that a male appendix plays no active role??? 

I beg to differ......

Anyhow, joking aside, I'm curious about the religious connections???????

think i missed something,was that "male appendix" or"male appendege"? cause i did't know that women had a different appendix.and if its latter mine plays an active role.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 4, 2011

I have a few red flags of my own.

First it seems to me that someone lied when they took the oath to pretect and defend the US constution.

Seems to me the same person wants to engage in illegal acts of gambling offshore.

Seems to me that this act envolves not reporting all income to prevent paying taxes.

Seems to me that being a US citizen does mot make one an american.

To down play one of the most basic human rights of true americans on the 4th of July is an abomination.

To flee a country where you would put to death for your views and then trash the country that gave you

refuge, freedom, a place to live and oppurtuinty make a good living shows you lack character.

I bet the US tax payers funded your family upon your arrival here for at least basic living expence.

You think that freedom of speech allows you to say anything on your mind even if it denies the rights

given by the first amendement.

 

Why do humans have nipples?  Why not. 

Why do humans have appendix? Because we once needed them

I once heard that dogs shared the most dna with humans.

No where in the bible does it say the world is only 6000 years old.

Adam and Eve were told no to eat from the tree.  both knew that they would die if they ate it.

I think you should research few things and and not rely on the knowledge of others like yoursellf.

 

PS. GOD helped me win a JP.  Told me to change one setting that resulted in a JP win.

RL

I have a few red flags of my own.

First it seems to me that someone lied when they took the oath to pretect and defend the US constution.

Seems to me the same person wants to engage in illegal acts of gambling offshore.

Seems to me that this act envolves not reporting all income to prevent paying taxes.

Seems to me that being a US citizen does mot make one an american.

To down play one of the most basic human rights of true americans on the 4th of July is an abomination.

To flee a country where you would put to death for your views and then trash the country that gave you

refuge, freedom, a place to live and oppurtuinty make a good living shows you lack character.

I bet the US tax payers funded your family upon your arrival here for at least basic living expence.

You think that freedom of speech allows you to say anything on your mind even if it denies the rights

given by the first amendement.

 

 

Talk about digging at the bottom of the barrel when you have nothing of importance to say. Maybe If you also get your head out of your ass you'll see the light, but it seems it wedged up there really good.

First of all, what the heck does my personal life have anything to do with what I pointed out. Secondly, the idiotic list of red flags are wrong. Show me where I trashed the country I SERVED  you dumbass idiot. WAKE UP !

You bet the U.S. funded my family when it was my dad who came here first using his own money. Guess what moron, you'd lose that bet.

 

Then we go on to your dumb answers about men having nipples. WHY NOT? I guess your almighty God isn't perfect, or he simply doesn't exist based on the inconsistency? Are you admitting to that, or you have no good answer, so "Why not" is a good answer?

Then you wedge your head up your ass even farther by answering the appendix question. We needed them at one time......DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......................I guess you answered your own question loser. EVOLUTION at work....Boy, you really need a wake up call .....

YUP, you're right, dogs share your DNA. You also have their mentality.....

Adam and Eve were told what would happen yes, but they knew not from right and wrong.

I think YOU should research things before you open your pie hole, because you clearly showed me you have absolutely not one freakin clue. On top of that, you guys got off easy with the few red flags I posted, I can only imagine how your brainless heads would spin If I listed all of them.

This was the most pathetic attempt to answer simple questions by far.

You can beat your patriotic drum all you want, but I bet there's a nice list of things you do in your life that isn't up to par. RL, you're a freaking joke. Stand in line behind Ridge, so I can make fun of both of you. And i thought I had a challenge on my hands. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. What a joke.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 4, 2011

I have a few red flags of my own.

First it seems to me that someone lied when they took the oath to pretect and defend the US constution.

Seems to me the same person wants to engage in illegal acts of gambling offshore.

Seems to me that this act envolves not reporting all income to prevent paying taxes.

Seems to me that being a US citizen does mot make one an american.

To down play one of the most basic human rights of true americans on the 4th of July is an abomination.

To flee a country where you would put to death for your views and then trash the country that gave you

refuge, freedom, a place to live and oppurtuinty make a good living shows you lack character.

I bet the US tax payers funded your family upon your arrival here for at least basic living expence.

You think that freedom of speech allows you to say anything on your mind even if it denies the rights

given by the first amendement.

 

 

Talk about digging at the bottom of the barrel when you have nothing of importance to say. Maybe If you also get your head out of your ass you'll see the light, but it seems it wedged up there really good.

First of all, what the heck does my personal life have anything to do with what I pointed out. Secondly, the idiotic list of red flags are wrong. Show me where I trashed the country I SERVED  you dumbass idiot. WAKE UP !

You bet the U.S. funded my family when it was my dad who came here first using his own money. Guess what moron, you'd lose that bet.

 

Then we go on to your dumb answers about men having nipples. WHY NOT? I guess your almighty God isn't perfect, or he simply doesn't exist based on the inconsistency? Are you admitting to that, or you have no good answer, so "Why not" is a good answer?

Then you wedge your head up your ass even farther by answering the appendix question. We needed them at one time......DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......................I guess you answered your own question loser. EVOLUTION at work....Boy, you really need a wake up call .....

YUP, you're right, dogs share your DNA. You also have their mentality.....

Adam and Eve were told what would happen yes, but they knew not from right and wrong.

I think YOU should research things before you open your pie hole, because you clearly showed me you have absolutely not one freakin clue. On top of that, you guys got off easy with the few red flags I posted, I can only imagine how your brainless heads would spin If I listed all of them.

This was the most pathetic attempt to answer simple questions by far.

You can beat your patriotic drum all you want, but I bet there's a nice list of things you do in your life that isn't up to par. RL, you're a freaking joke. Stand in line behind Ridge, so I can make fun of both of you. And i thought I had a challenge on my hands. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. What a joke.

vegas go for 100.LOL

joker17

RL thinks because I condone offshore gambling, it makes me some bad guy who's not upholding the laws of this land. You're indoctination was successful also....poor RL... 

I love this country and wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but not every law is just. One of the main reasons they don't like offshore is because they want a piece of the pie, which is all good and dandy, but firstly, they don't provide the true  pay scale like the offshore 90% payout. I'd be glad to pay tax on 90%, but they don't like that either because of GREED!!!!....They want it ALL!!!

 And they have special SELF interest too. Don't even go there with me pal. There's rampant corruption everywhere, like I have to remind you of that because you are so clueless about what goes on behind closed doors, unless you've been living under a rock or have your head up your butt.

 I love when govt. complains about people who steal..... Maybe I should've said that the GOVT. doesn't like competition. I'm not condoning stealing, but to show that govt. is some kind of Mother Theresa shows me you don't have a clue.

It's a shame because not only are you living in the fairytale stories world, but you're also brainwashed by the secular fairytale world full of honest, loving govt. officials only looking out for our welfare and best interest. La lla la alla la la la LAND...LA LA LAND...

 

It's scary folks. For hundreds of years there have been, and will continue to be secret meetings held by the Elite of this world  behind closed doors discussing the outcome of what should happen with Humans and how they can control them with a police state. The world is in a systematic and rapid meltdown all because of greed and corruption of power, BUT RL IS WORRIED ABOUT ME CONDONING OFFSHORE GAMBLING.

Perspective RL.....Perspective...

joker17

Also RL, maybe you should listen to Benjamin Franklin when he wrote.....

“It is the first responsibilty of every citizen to question authority.”
 
 
 
One of the major reasons this country was created was because a few questioned authority. HELLO >>>>>>.....anyone out there?
 
8 years ago people looked at me like I had 2 heads when they found out I did conspiracy research as a hobby. But now they see how slowly everything is unfolding. Not all of them because most of the people are in denial. They can't possibly fathom their own government selling them short. The confusion of the brainwashed comes two fold. One being that the politicians on the outer fringes don't have access to the secret elite's long term agendas. Secondly, essentially it boils down to the misleading facade of the truly good willed politicians who don't know the inner secret circle, allowing the humble masses who only worry about the next cell phone upgrade in the malls, scratching their heads as to why there are weird freaks like Joker who believes all this stuff. Making me look like an idiot seems to be some kind of contingency plan to try embarassing the conspiracy nut.
 
RL will be thanking me in the near future for giving him that extra edge to deal with what's about to hit the fan.
 
It only takes once to catch the govt. in deception to know that now the dynamics have changed. Now the officials have the propensity to lie in the future.
I find it rather astounding that most Americans think there is nothing evil going on despite one govt. corruption case after another filtering through our news on a regular basis. It's amazing to me.
Forget  waking up and smelling the coffee, most folks need to take the correct color coded pill.....Eek
joker17

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 4, 2011

think i missed something,was that "male appendix" or"male appendege"? cause i did't know that women had a different appendix.and if its latter mine plays an active role.

let me clear the air. it was appendix, and male nipples. Two different examples of obsolete organs and features.

Maybe you'd like to address the tailbone issue.....hmmmmmmm

Or......why we attempt an assimilation of different creatures during the  gestation cycles in the womb.

Or why Darwin's Mocking birds have different beaks to suit the different hunting needs on different Islands for different prey in the Galapogos Islands. Evolution?

Or......Why is there is a layer of sediment all around the world at the same height in mountains, containing Iridium? Iridium is a major ingredient in meteorites.

The unusually high abundance of iridium in the clay layer at the K–T geologic boundary gave rise to the Alvarez hypothesis that the impact of a massive extraterrestrial object caused the extinction of dinosaurs and many other species 65 million years ago. Iridium is found in meteorites with an abundance much higher than its average abundance in the Earth's crust. It is thought that the total amount of iridium in the planet Earth is much higher than that observed in crustal rocks, but as with other platinum group metals, the high density and tendency of iridium to bond with iron caused most iridium to descend below the crust when the planet was young and still molten.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 4, 2011

Wanted to add: I am for religious-freedom!!

I have just never heard of these types of connections before and am quite interested to learn more about it....

Believe me; I decide my own veracity!

I'm glad you're in favor of religious freedom.....so am I....

Are you also in favor of others who may disagree and have the same right to voice their opinion in opposition? I hope you do....

As far as the connections, read my prior posts to this one.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 4, 2011

I applaud your effort RL. Few there are who will stand up to joker's arrogance and bullying and refusal to admit when he's wrong or when he's been caught lying. But that's in his genes; that's the norm in his culture and his country. He's our own little ayatollah, supreme over all that he sees. He's never wrong, ever.

His number one argument (red flag, as he calls it) that there is no God is that men have nipples. That tells us a lot right there. Though the talk of men's nipples may set truecricket and Nancy's hearts all aflutter with passion as they start flittering and fluttering and squealing all about and writhing in orgasmic splendor, most rational people would say they couldn't care less about men's nipples or why they have them. Joker, however, is obsessed with them, much to the delight of Nancy and truecricket. A creepy threesome if ever there was one. They must have their own little men's-nipple-worship cult. My skin crawls thinking about it. Creepy.

Though I applaud your effort, I just hope you realize that it's futile if you think there's any chance of him seriously considering anything you have to say that differs with the set-in-stone fairytale belief system that he lives by, promotes, preaches and insists that all Christians accept as truth.

I can describe him succinctly by combining his own two favorite words - Delusional Dumbass.

 

Congratulations on the JP!  Cheers

I saved you for last because you're the easiest. It's a no brainer. I bring up strong issues, you reply with nothing viable. Only uneducated and childish remarks. It's a sad state of affairs when you have to resort to underage type mentality traits to get your point across. Actually, you make no points at all. You're a soldier with no ammo left. At this point you're hurling the gun itself cause you ran out of bullets a whole while ago. You're so happy that RL came to your rescue because you trusted in him to articulate what was on your mind. The pathetic part is that you unwittingly chose RL as your representative by giving him kudos.

That's ok Ridge, we all make BAD choices...

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 4, 2011

I have a few red flags of my own.

First it seems to me that someone lied when they took the oath to pretect and defend the US constution.

Seems to me the same person wants to engage in illegal acts of gambling offshore.

Seems to me that this act envolves not reporting all income to prevent paying taxes.

Seems to me that being a US citizen does mot make one an american.

To down play one of the most basic human rights of true americans on the 4th of July is an abomination.

To flee a country where you would put to death for your views and then trash the country that gave you

refuge, freedom, a place to live and oppurtuinty make a good living shows you lack character.

I bet the US tax payers funded your family upon your arrival here for at least basic living expence.

You think that freedom of speech allows you to say anything on your mind even if it denies the rights

given by the first amendement.

 

 

Talk about digging at the bottom of the barrel when you have nothing of importance to say. Maybe If you also get your head out of your ass you'll see the light, but it seems it wedged up there really good.

First of all, what the heck does my personal life have anything to do with what I pointed out. Secondly, the idiotic list of red flags are wrong. Show me where I trashed the country I SERVED  you dumbass idiot. WAKE UP !

You bet the U.S. funded my family when it was my dad who came here first using his own money. Guess what moron, you'd lose that bet.

 

Then we go on to your dumb answers about men having nipples. WHY NOT? I guess your almighty God isn't perfect, or he simply doesn't exist based on the inconsistency? Are you admitting to that, or you have no good answer, so "Why not" is a good answer?

Then you wedge your head up your ass even farther by answering the appendix question. We needed them at one time......DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......................I guess you answered your own question loser. EVOLUTION at work....Boy, you really need a wake up call .....

YUP, you're right, dogs share your DNA. You also have their mentality.....

Adam and Eve were told what would happen yes, but they knew not from right and wrong.

I think YOU should research things before you open your pie hole, because you clearly showed me you have absolutely not one freakin clue. On top of that, you guys got off easy with the few red flags I posted, I can only imagine how your brainless heads would spin If I listed all of them.

This was the most pathetic attempt to answer simple questions by far.

You can beat your patriotic drum all you want, but I bet there's a nice list of things you do in your life that isn't up to par. RL, you're a freaking joke. Stand in line behind Ridge, so I can make fun of both of you. And i thought I had a challenge on my hands. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. What a joke.

Joke

You really have no idea what it means to be an american do you.  So much trash has filtered into this

country seeking the american dream.  What they see as the american dream is CASH$ and nothing else.

They have no stock in this country other then their greed driven tiny little pathetic lives.   I am sickened by

those who have no interest in anything but themselves and take without any thought of giving back.  You

talk about the 20,000 kids dying each day but you would never lift a finger to help one of them.  Why?  Because

you can't get past thinking only of yourself. 

You think you know every thing there is to know about religion.  You must have skipped the first few lines on the

first page where the bible says that God commanded the waters to bring forth life.  I can't say what others think

but I do know that life started in the water.  You can't stand the thought of God existing because you can't stand

yourself.   The universe is not old enough for all the needed mutations to have happened randomly and thats a fact

and earth is only a fraction as old as the universe.  You think that when I say "why not" that it is a  stupid answer

but I say it is smarter then the many (fill in the gaps with bull Sh**)  the evolutionist use all the time.  You trash the

country when you call everyone who believs in God a dumbass.   You are the one who has wedged his head up his

ass when you say that  DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!, you should read the first few lines of the bible where God commanded the

waters to bring forth life.  Life is ever evolving and will continue, God started evolution and all the sicence in the

world can't duplicate the needed instructions.  They can take a few raw materials and in a lab produce part of the

process but then they need to use their "fill in the rest with bull-sh** crap"  and make major leaps into fairy-land 

which seem to get over looked by you.  The bible is the written account of many writers who wrote what they

belived or otherwise constructed a story to convey a truth as they seen it.  The bible may have it's faults but that

does not mean God does not exist.  I have heard all the so called problems that you think you know so well but are

nothing more then what you read off some website and you could not spin my head with any of them,  I probability

heard them all before you were born.  Here's a little tip, about 95% of web content where you seem to have learned

most of your knowledge, if it can be called that is not based in reality,  sure it may have a element of truth but most of

it is crap.  Anyone who uses youtube as a sorce to add credibility to what they say, says it all.  I will have to take your

word as to your father's financial state upon arrival into this country but I also know that you could say anything and

expect it to be accepted.  Yes what a joke you are.

 

RL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I saved you for last because you're the easiest. It's a no brainer. I bring up strong issues, you reply with nothing viable. Only uneducated and childish remarks. It's a sad state of affairs when you have to resort to underage type mentality traits to get your point across. Actually, you make no points at all. You're a soldier with no ammo left. At this point you're hurling the gun itself cause you ran out of bullets a whole while ago. You're so happy that RL came to your rescue because you trusted in him to articulate what was on your mind. The pathetic part is that you unwittingly chose RL as your representative by giving him kudos.

That's ok Ridge, we all make BAD choices...

Sorry Mr Pervo, men's nipples are not a strong issue.

Why you're so obsessed with them is beyond me unless it's just to titillate (Green laugh) truecricket and Nancy, your loyal latex geeks. Quite frankly, I would think most of us would find your fetish repulsive.

The thought of you three staring at me on the beach makes me want to gag.

You're creepy.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I'm glad you're in favor of religious freedom.....so am I....

Are you also in favor of others who may disagree and have the same right to voice their opinion in opposition? I hope you do....

As far as the connections, read my prior posts to this one.

joke

I guess freedom of religon is calling everyone who believes in God a dumbass

RL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

joke

I guess freedom of religon is calling everyone who believes in God a dumbass

RL

No, that's what he calls freedom of speech.

He says he can criticize us, but if we criticize him, we're trying to take away his freedom of speech.

If you can figure that one out, I'll buy you a Daniel Webster Cee-gar.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

ridge

I think the writers of the first amendment never thought that anyone could misinterpret it, boy would

they be shocked if they could see what is being done now.

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

Joke

You really have no idea what it means to be an american do you.  So much trash has filtered into this

country seeking the american dream.  What they see as the american dream is CASH$ and nothing else.

They have no stock in this country other then their greed driven tiny little pathetic lives.   I am sickened by

those who have no interest in anything but themselves and take without any thought of giving back.  You

talk about the 20,000 kids dying each day but you would never lift a finger to help one of them.  Why?  Because

you can't get past thinking only of yourself. 

You think you know every thing there is to know about religion.  You must have skipped the first few lines on the

first page where the bible says that God commanded the waters to bring forth life.  I can't say what others think

but I do know that life started in the water.  You can't stand the thought of God existing because you can't stand

yourself.   The universe is not old enough for all the needed mutations to have happened randomly and thats a fact

and earth is only a fraction as old as the universe.  You think that when I say "why not" that it is a  stupid answer

but I say it is smarter then the many (fill in the gaps with bull Sh**)  the evolutionist use all the time.  You trash the

country when you call everyone who believs in God a dumbass.   You are the one who has wedged his head up his

ass when you say that  DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!, you should read the first few lines of the bible where God commanded the

waters to bring forth life.  Life is ever evolving and will continue, God started evolution and all the sicence in the

world can't duplicate the needed instructions.  They can take a few raw materials and in a lab produce part of the

process but then they need to use their "fill in the rest with bull-sh** crap"  and make major leaps into fairy-land 

which seem to get over looked by you.  The bible is the written account of many writers who wrote what they

belived or otherwise constructed a story to convey a truth as they seen it.  The bible may have it's faults but that

does not mean God does not exist.  I have heard all the so called problems that you think you know so well but are

nothing more then what you read off some website and you could not spin my head with any of them,  I probability

heard them all before you were born.  Here's a little tip, about 95% of web content where you seem to have learned

most of your knowledge, if it can be called that is not based in reality,  sure it may have a element of truth but most of

it is crap.  Anyone who uses youtube as a sorce to add credibility to what they say, says it all.  I will have to take your

word as to your father's financial state upon arrival into this country but I also know that you could say anything and

expect it to be accepted.  Yes what a joke you are.

 

RL

You talk about the 20,000 kids dying each day but you would never lift a finger to help one of them.

Lifting my finger to help them has nothing to do with the debate at hand. What part don't you get? It's not my burden to prove why God would allow such a scenario to exist in the first place. You have no grasp  of the bigger picture. And that's your problem in this.

 

You think you know every thing there is to know about religion.

Wrong again. I never claimed to know this.

 

 You must have skipped the first few lines on the

first page where the bible says that God commanded the waters to bring forth life.

More heresay wriiten  by men. Is this the best you've got? Seriously?

 

 

You can't stand the thought of God existing because you can't stand

yourself.   The universe is not old enough for all the needed mutations to have happened randomly and thats a fact.

Wrong again. This proves to me you don't read what I've written in the past, thus leading you to make false accusations.

I would love for a truly loving God to exist who has his priorities straight. But since there are inconsistencies leads me to believe he MAY not exist. Wrong once again RL...

 

 The universe is not old enough for all the needed mutations to have happened randomly and thats a fact

and earth is only a fraction as old as the universe.

All I can say is Looney Tunes my friends...Looney Tunes. This is what I'm up against.

You're right, God sped up light.

Boy, I'm so honored to be amongst two geniuses, Ridge and RL. They've figured the EXACT formula. No doubts whatsoever. It's a clear cut world for them. Everything's written down in a nice little neat package they can open up later down the road. A little heaven just waiting for them. Precious!

The rest of the crap you wrote isn't even worthy of a reply. What a tool you are. So sorry.....

 

Hey RL, was Santa a nice guy?

Maybe Alice in wonderland?

I believe that RL is actually Vision in disguise.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Sorry Mr Pervo, men's nipples are not a strong issue.

Why you're so obsessed with them is beyond me unless it's just to titillate (Green laugh) truecricket and Nancy, your loyal latex geeks. Quite frankly, I would think most of us would find your fetish repulsive.

The thought of you three staring at me on the beach makes me want to gag.

You're creepy.

I wish I could predict the p-3 straight number as well as I predict you. I'd be filthy rich!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

joke

I guess freedom of religon is calling everyone who believes in God a dumbass

RL

UGGGGG

NO....the dumbass part is when you refuse to pull your head out your butt and start thinking for yourself. You put so much scrutiny in lottery systems, but when it comes to the most conveniently fashionable, latest trend and most popular religion, it has a FREE pass for scrutiny. All scrutiny goes out the window. IT"S CALLED BEING BIASED.

THAT'S WHY i CALL MYSELF AN AGNOSTIC. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, AND NO ONE ELSE CAN TOO. THERE'S NO FREAKING WAY.

We no longer believe LUNAR or Solar eclipses are signs from the Gods.....WAKE UP !

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 4, 2011

The only people that law is going to affect is libs like you, princess.

Libs think they can post any foul, obscene message they want on their vehicles for women and children to see and be disgusted by. They apparently get off on it. Well, get over it panty-waist princess, it ain't happenin' anymore. Learn it, live it, love it.

 

You know what though, princess? I do have a certain amount of respect for you.

Everytime I try to picture all of the people here that I respect the most, I have to admit, I picture you right there with them.

Making their fries.

"The only people that law is going to affect is libs"

That doesn't even make any sense.  Read the article - don't just look at the pretty pictures!  Unless you just want to remain stupid?  Come back when you understand. 

And while you are at it...try calling people by their proper names.  You are the one that keeps bringing up queer stuff.  Everything was quiet until you got sober and found your keyboard.  You do nothing but throw insults around. 

"Everytime I try to picture all of the people here that I respect the most, I have to admit, I picture you right there with them."

Same back at you...you're the one with the queer potty mouth busy cleaning up after them.

Potty Mouth

I've met people from TN and they are nothing like you.  They are fine people.  I'm surprised they don't beat the crap out of you for insulting them and giving TN a bad name.

...oh, don't let me forget to address your 3rd grade mentality, again: Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me! 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

ridge

I think the writers of the first amendment never thought that anyone could misinterpret it, boy would

they be shocked if they could see what is being done now.

RL

Dam straight.

And to think of the Christians who gave their lives so this stoneage, malcontented ne'er-do-well can subvert and pervert and disdainfully corrupt the very freedom they provided with their blood to mock and ridicule them.

Cryin' shame.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

No, that's what he calls freedom of speech.

He says he can criticize us, but if we criticize him, we're trying to take away his freedom of speech.

If you can figure that one out, I'll buy you a Daniel Webster Cee-gar.

More lies and deception..

The original comment is the issue and how you reacted Ridge. You are the one who policed me FIRST and called names.  Cowards.....remember?

Ridge is the type of person who can dish it out, but can't take it.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

You talk about the 20,000 kids dying each day but you would never lift a finger to help one of them.

Lifting my finger to help them has nothing to do with the debate at hand. What part don't you get? It's not my burden to prove why God would allow such a scenario to exist in the first place. You have no grasp  of the bigger picture. And that's your problem in this.

 

You think you know every thing there is to know about religion.

Wrong again. I never claimed to know this.

 

 You must have skipped the first few lines on the

first page where the bible says that God commanded the waters to bring forth life.

More heresay wriiten  by men. Is this the best you've got? Seriously?

 

 

You can't stand the thought of God existing because you can't stand

yourself.   The universe is not old enough for all the needed mutations to have happened randomly and thats a fact.

Wrong again. This proves to me you don't read what I've written in the past, thus leading you to make false accusations.

I would love for a truly loving God to exist who has his priorities straight. But since there are inconsistencies leads me to believe he MAY not exist. Wrong once again RL...

 

 The universe is not old enough for all the needed mutations to have happened randomly and thats a fact

and earth is only a fraction as old as the universe.

All I can say is Looney Tunes my friends...Looney Tunes. This is what I'm up against.

You're right, God sped up light.

Boy, I'm so honored to be amongst two geniuses, Ridge and RL. They've figured the EXACT formula. No doubts whatsoever. It's a clear cut world for them. Everything's written down in a nice little neat package they can open up later down the road. A little heaven just waiting for them. Precious!

The rest of the crap you wrote isn't even worthy of a reply. What a tool you are. So sorry.....

 

Hey RL, was Santa a nice guy?

Maybe Alice in wonderland?

I believe that RL is actually Vision in disguise.

joke

You don't have a clue, first you say that if there is a God then how could he let 20,000 kids die each day.

Next you worship evolution as the supreme force of creation.  I guess you need to pray that evoultion

would save these kids but evoulation might be saying I have been working on a solution for 4 billion years

so why don't you pull your head out of your ass and make it happen or at least make an attempt.

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

joke

You don't have a clue, first you say that if there is a God then how could he let 20,000 kids die each day.

Next you worship evolution as the supreme force of creation.  I guess you need to pray that evoultion

would save these kids but evoulation might be saying I have been working on a solution for 4 billion years

so why don't you pull your head out of your ass and make it happen or at least make an attempt.

RL

At first I thought there was some hope for you, but I was vehemently wrong. You and Ridge are up to your necks in deception. Nothing i can do at this point and time. Sorry guys......I did try though...

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Still in the shadow of America's Independence Day and joker is attacking his two biggest enemies - America and Christianity.

We are the Great Satan, just like his leader Ahmadinejad proclaims.

He finds no fault with them over there, that's why he came here to straighten us out, just like he was told.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

At first I thought there was some hope for you, but I was vehemently wrong. You and Ridge are up to your necks in deception. Nothing i can do at this point and time. Sorry guys......I did try though...

"Nothing i can do at this point and time. Sorry guys......I did try though..."

 

That's joker code for:

"I got nothin' left. I want to admit I'm wrong and surrender but it's too embarrassing so I'll weasel out like this"

joker17

I just came to the conclusion of all of this. It's impossible to have a healthy debate with two individuals who still believe in fairytales. It's impossible.

It's like a Geologist debating a flat Earth believer.

Why do I bother?.....WHY?

I must be the crazy one. It has to be the case.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I just came to the conclusion of all of this. It's impossible to have a healthy debate with two individuals who still believe in fairytales. It's impossible.

It's like a Geologist debating a flat Earth believer.

Why do I bother?.....WHY?

I must be the crazy one. It has to be the case.

Crazy? I don't know about that...

Don't be so hard on yourself...

You're just a delusional dumbass.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Joke

How can you have it both ways,  I don't know what or who God is but I think common sence must be

his voice.  Everyone will make something into a God and then worship it in a religious fashion.  Even 

the evolutionist spray their beliefs and just like the christians, muslims, ect... they want to force their

views on everyone else.  Christians call Jesus the son of God and also say that he was Gods word in

the flesh.  Jesus said why call me lord when you don't do the things I tell you.   Jesus taught that people

should love one another because it is the only way to true  life.  This is what God is to me, the act of

looking to another's need instead of focusing on self.   What is so unbelievable about this that makes

anyone who followes it a dumbass. 

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Dam straight.

And to think of the Christians who gave their lives so this stoneage, malcontented ne'er-do-well can subvert and pervert and disdainfully corrupt the very freedom they provided with their blood to mock and ridicule them.

Cryin' shame.

Like our Founding Fathers?

They weren't Atheists - but they weren't all Christian either.

Cry all you want - you can't change history by making up lies.  Not just Chrisitans fought for this Country, you're such a lame bigot.  You insult people.  You insult religions.  You insult countries.

 

Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

Quote from Thomas Jefferson:

"The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they
serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

No sense letting facts get in your way, huh?  At least everyone can see I don't make up lies like you do.

The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians
Religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers:
http://www.skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 5, 2011

"The only people that law is going to affect is libs"

That doesn't even make any sense.  Read the article - don't just look at the pretty pictures!  Unless you just want to remain stupid?  Come back when you understand. 

And while you are at it...try calling people by their proper names.  You are the one that keeps bringing up queer stuff.  Everything was quiet until you got sober and found your keyboard.  You do nothing but throw insults around. 

"Everytime I try to picture all of the people here that I respect the most, I have to admit, I picture you right there with them."

Same back at you...you're the one with the queer potty mouth busy cleaning up after them.

Potty Mouth

I've met people from TN and they are nothing like you.  They are fine people.  I'm surprised they don't beat the crap out of you for insulting them and giving TN a bad name.

...oh, don't let me forget to address your 3rd grade mentality, again: Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me! 

Princess, princess, princess, it's a psychotic condition called self-loathing, check it out, you have it.

That's why you're again spewing the Q word all over the place.

 

And just in case you're fantasizing about me, know this:

I would rather have my nipples torn off by wild hyenas and jackals than to ever let you... oooooohhh, I can't go on.... I'm gonna be sick....

I feel nauseous now princess, kindly lust after someone else.

I like women, just leave me alone.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 5, 2011

Like our Founding Fathers?

They weren't Atheists - but they weren't all Christian either.

Cry all you want - you can't change history by making up lies.  Not just Chrisitans fought for this Country, you're such a lame bigot.  You insult people.  You insult religions.  You insult countries.

 

Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

Quote from Thomas Jefferson:

"The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they
serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

No sense letting facts get in your way, huh?  At least everyone can see I don't make up lies like you do.

The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians
Religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers:
http://www.skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html

BRAVO !

Smash

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 5, 2011

Like our Founding Fathers?

They weren't Atheists - but they weren't all Christian either.

Cry all you want - you can't change history by making up lies.  Not just Chrisitans fought for this Country, you're such a lame bigot.  You insult people.  You insult religions.  You insult countries.

 

Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

Quote from Thomas Jefferson:

"The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they
serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

No sense letting facts get in your way, huh?  At least everyone can see I don't make up lies like you do.

The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians
Religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers:
http://www.skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html

Sure, princess, let's go get "facts" from some left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website.

Yeah! That makes sense!

That'll prove your position! LOL

That'll finally prove to everyone that you're not a nutjob afterall! LOL  Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Sure, princess, let's go get "facts" from some left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website.

Yeah! That makes sense!

That'll prove your position! LOL

That'll finally prove to everyone that you're not a nutjob afterall! LOL  Crazy

And you get your facts from a relic written by old fools. So what's your point?

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

tc

 

I place most critics in the same basket as those who claim faith but don't pratice.  Two heads of the

same coin.  Having faith in a greater power is not a tip toe through the tulips or taking the I will kill

you if you don't obey teaching so common today.   It's funny that many of these non-believing founding

fathers signed the declaration of independence which was based on the.

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." 

 

I would hate to think that years in the future that someone will find something I wrote, maybe in anger

and use it to define me.

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

tc

 

I place most critics in the same basket as those who claim faith but don't pratice.  Two heads of the

same coin.  Having faith in a greater power is not a tip toe through the tulips or taking the I will kill

you if you don't obey teaching so common today.   It's funny that many of these non-believing founding

fathers signed the declaration of independence which was based on the.

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." 

 

I would hate to think that years in the future that someone will find something I wrote, maybe in anger

and use it to define me.

RL

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." 

 

Which creator are you specifically determining to be the right one?

Be careful, If you choose the wrong one out of the tens of thousands, you may end up in a bad part of the neighborhood somewhere up there in the Ether.

Please choose wisely.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Maybe TJ was just another one of those hippo's that fall back to an otherwise cast down idealogy 

when they can use it for profit.

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." 

 

Which creator are you specifically determining to be the right one?

Be careful, If you choose the wrong one out of the tens of thousands, you may end up in a bad part of the neighborhood somewhere up there in the Ether.

Please choose wisely.

Joke

There is only one and I don't know his name, sorry.  I just call him GOD

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

And you get your facts from a relic written by old fools. So what's your point?

My point?

I don't have a point.

I just know how gullible you are to the "latest" anything that comes along.

If it's a lottery system, you'll buy it.

If it's a new theory, no matter how coc-amamie, hare-brained or ridiculous you'll believe it. And you'll believe it til the next one comes along, then you'll believe that.

You must be a salesman's dream.

Otherwise known as a sucker.

P T Barnum said there was one like you born every minute.

joker17

Just remember folks, If it's written in books by ignorant men unfamiliar of their fate in a strange and confusing world , ( The older the better), it MUST be true.

Be careful though, the wrong choice and it's the end for you pal. Life must be a crap shoot afterall...

Looney Tunes my friends....Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

Joke

There is only one and I don't know his name, sorry.  I just call him GOD

RL

Here's where you fail. You obviously aren't aware of the Christian demands. You must believe Christ was your savior or you're <snip>ed.

You can't get off that easily RL.  Just believing in a generic God wouldn't be acceptable to a true Christian. You have so much to learn.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Here's where you fail. You obviously aren't aware of the Christian demands. You must believe Christ was your savior or you're <snip>ed.

You can't get off that easily RL.  Just believing in a generic God wouldn't be acceptable to a true Christian. You have so much to learn.

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The little ayatollah has spoken!

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Sure, princess, let's go get "facts" from some left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website.

Yeah! That makes sense!

That'll prove your position! LOL

That'll finally prove to everyone that you're not a nutjob afterall! LOL  Crazy

You keep doing it...prove they are atheist sites!  Don't just keep blowing things out your azz! 

And of course, Thomas Jefferson was "some left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist" - Yeah, I'm just dying to see you prove that!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

My point?

I don't have a point.

I just know how gullible you are to the "latest" anything that comes along.

If it's a lottery system, you'll buy it.

If it's a new theory, no matter how coc-amamie, hare-brained or ridiculous you'll believe it. And you'll believe it til the next one comes along, then you'll believe that.

You must be a salesman's dream.

Otherwise known as a sucker.

P T Barnum said there was one like you born every minute.

And here's where you fail.

Spending money on lottery systems irresponsibly is in no way a good comparison to actually believing in fairytales.......being a grown adult like you are, who hopefully doesn't still believe in Santa and the such.......hopefully, would by now put two and two together. Unfortunately for you, two and two is unachievable.

How can you, with a straight face compare the two and expect me to take you seriously?

This has to be a joke right?

Try to use better analogies next time Ridge.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

And you get your facts from a relic written by old fools. So what's your point?

"And you get your facts from a relic written by old fools."

 

No I don't.

I didn't get any facts from the koran at all.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Here's where you fail. You obviously aren't aware of the Christian demands. You must believe Christ was your savior or you're <snip>ed.

You can't get off that easily RL.  Just believing in a generic God wouldn't be acceptable to a true Christian. You have so much to learn.

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Joke

Nope, you got that one wrong, Jesus was a man through which the spirit of God sought to set things 

straight removing the false teachings of man.  Jesus broke it down to two things, First love God and

second to love your neighbor.   Do this and you have accepted Jesus, Going to church does not make 

you a christain just like going to McDonalds dosen't make you a hambuger. 

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

And here's where you fail.

Spending money on lottery systems irresponsibly is in no way a good comparison to actually believing in fairytales.......being a grown adult like you are, who hopefully doesn't still believe in Santa and the such.......hopefully, would by now put two and two together. Unfortunately for you, two and two is unachievable.

How can you, with a straight face compare the two and expect me to take you seriously?

This has to be a joke right?

Try to use better analogies next time Ridge.

There was no analogy.

I just presented a precedent for your well established and documented gullibility.

Don't fret, it's not like everybody doesn't already know about it.

Calm down.

joker17

The reason the lunatic fringe always loses in these debates is because they have nothing. Absolutely nothing to back their rediculous hyperbole. Endless babble of quotes from the same text I'm refuting as a viable source of facts to back itself up. In fact, it keeps digging a bigger hole for itself everytime it's hypocritical head shows up.

Thee and thou ......

As If it's official becuase there are thees and thous....lol

AND IT WAS WRITTEN...................................................................................................OK, it must be true....

joker17

@ Vision, RL, and Ridge....please seek help.

I urge you....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

@ Vision, RL, and Ridge....please seek help.

I urge you....

If by 'getting help' you mean joining you and truecricket and Nancy in your men's-nipple-worship cult, I don't think any of us are interested, sorry.

Thanks anyway.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

joke

I have all the help I need,  maybe I made it too simple.  Last time I checked 180,000 people

convert to christianity each day in the world.  You would think that with all these conversions

that the world would be a good place to live.  Nope, most are indoctrinated  by people who

were also indoctrinated by others that never took the time to see for themselves.  Too busy

trying to prove who's god is bigger and better and don't have a clue about anything.  Saying

you are this or that don't make it so, actions speek louder then words.     

RL

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

If by 'getting help' you mean joining you and truecricket and Nancy in your men's-nipple-worship cult, I don't think any of us are interested, sorry.

Thanks anyway.

You just get dumber every minute.

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up!  Here, let me repeat it -  SHUT UP!

You don't like that?  Well, yeah, I can make you.  Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces.  We can settle this failure to communicate on your part! 

joker17

It's also important to understand that If it weren't for the likes of Vision, RL, and Ridge, the questions I originally raised were benign. Just because Ridge accused me of attacking Christianity, with the other ignorants following his leads doesn't make it true.

 Labeling people with no backing to support one's point in a rebuttal that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, shows weakness in their argument.

Either the tough questions I posed would've been answered or left alone.

It's really simple you know.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 5, 2011

You keep doing it...prove they are atheist sites!  Don't just keep blowing things out your azz! 

And of course, Thomas Jefferson was "some left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist" - Yeah, I'm just dying to see you prove that!

I honestly think you're starting to idolize me, twinkletoes, and that's not healthy.

I'm sorry that you need attention or a personal response from me to validate your miserable little existence but it's really getting tedious.

I get this funny feeling that you're doing something really creepy when you're reading my responses.

Please feed off someone else for a while.

I know, how about little mario?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

joke

I have all the help I need,  maybe I made it too simple.  Last time I checked 180,000 people

convert to christianity each day in the world.  You would think that with all these conversions

that the world would be a good place to live.  Nope, most are indoctrinated  by people who

were also indoctrinated by others that never took the time to see for themselves.  Too busy

trying to prove who's god is bigger and better and don't have a clue about anything.  Saying

you are this or that don't make it so, actions speek louder then words.     

RL

Nope, most are indoctrinated  by people who

were also indoctrinated by others that never took the time to see for themselves.

You're agreeing with me and don't even realize it. So sad to see the lack of comprehension in you.

 

Too busy

trying to prove who's god is bigger and better and don't have a clue about anything.  Saying

you are this or that don't make it so, actions speek louder then words.   

And that's what I've been saying all along. Maybe we agree more than disagree RL.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

And you get your facts from a relic written by old fools. So what's your point?

"And you get your facts from a relic written by old fools."

 

No I don't.

I didn't get any facts from the koran at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A blast from the past.

(I know you liked it, lol)

joker17

I wonder If Ridge still believes a wrath will be coming when he sees the Aurora lights. It must be a sign from God right Ridge?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker don't wanna talk about the koran.

Wonder why?

joker17

I wonder what the poor folk who are born with both female and male genitals should do. Hermaphrodites are doomed. An imperfection? How is this possible?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Joker don't wanna talk about the koran.

Wonder why?

It has nothing to do with the Koran. I refuse to have an intelligent debate with someone who is incapable of having one.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

He thinks he won't get his 72 virgins if he mentions mohammed's affection for goats.

Right joker?

Hmmmmmmmm... 72 virgins... hmmmmmmm......

Wouldn't it be something if you got there and found out they were 72 virgin goats? LMAO!

Baaaaaaah, baaaaaaaaah! LMAO! baaaaahhhhhhhh! jo-o-o-o-o-o-ker! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah! jo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ker! Green laugh

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

joke

I must of missed them questions, I responded because I don't like being called a dumbass for saying

I believe in GOD in a country that was started by people that came here to excape perssucation of the

same.  And to top it off the name caller is a person who had to flee his own country who also has no

vested interest in the country that gave him refuge but chooses to call the same dumbasses.  If I had

to flee this contry and another took me in then I would be inclined to show some appreciation and not

trash the people for their beliefs.   If you don't like the so called dumbasses here then go back to your

own people and country.  I have over 400 years of family burried through out  this land all of whom helped

build this great country and will die here before I give it up.  I am 1/8 american indian so I really have 

many many more ancesters here.  That may not mean much to you but I try and honor those who came

before me.

 

RL

   

 

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I wonder what the poor folk who are born with both female and male genitals should do. Hermaphrodites are doomed. An imperfection? How is this possible?

joke

Google "hermaphrodite" I think you can read all about the how's and why's. has to do with having

both X and Y chromosomes but that's about all I know.

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Bed

RL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

Bed

RL

See ya, RL.

Joker will like this, he always debates better when nobody's here.

He doesn't want us denying his rights to free speech by disagreeing with him.

He doesn't think it should be allowed.

Only HE knows the truth!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

joke

I must of missed them questions, I responded because I don't like being called a dumbass for saying

I believe in GOD in a country that was started by people that came here to excape perssucation of the

same.  And to top it off the name caller is a person who had to flee his own country who also has no

vested interest in the country that gave him refuge but chooses to call the same dumbasses.  If I had

to flee this contry and another took me in then I would be inclined to show some appreciation and not

trash the people for their beliefs.   If you don't like the so called dumbasses here then go back to your

own people and country.  I have over 400 years of family burried through out  this land all of whom helped

build this great country and will die here before I give it up.  I am 1/8 american indian so I really have 

many many more ancesters here.  That may not mean much to you but I try and honor those who came

before me.

 

RL

   

 

RL

Wrong again...I don't call people who believe in God dumbasses, I call people who bring in irrelevant racist remarks as their defense because they have nothing viable to post. And your pathetic attempt in answering simple questions makes you even more of a dumbass. You're better off staying silent cause you're making a fool out of yourself everytime you write something.

You missed a lot more than the questions. Somewhere down the line, you missed brain cells.

You're just another racist joining Ridge. Keep it up RL....

This is my country too you FREAKING RACIST !!!

You're telling me I should go back to where I came from?

Maybe you should go back to the rock you were living under....DUMBASS!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 5, 2011

joke

Google "hermaphrodite" I think you can read all about the how's and why's. has to do with having

both X and Y chromosomes but that's about all I know.

RL

Oh sure, so convenient for you. When there's a defect, then use science to back it up. God is out of the picture now...right?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

See ya, RL.

Joker will like this, he always debates better when nobody's here.

He doesn't want us denying his rights to free speech by disagreeing with him.

He doesn't think it should be allowed.

Only HE knows the truth!

Yeah, I don't need any sleep. I have the ability to stay awake 24 hours a day.

Now you know why I call you a dumbass.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Wrong again...I don't call people who believe in God dumbasses, I call people who bring in irrelevant racist remarks as their defense because they have nothing viable to post. And your pathetic attempt in answering simple questions makes you even more of a dumbass. You're better off staying silent cause you're making a fool out of yourself everytime you write something.

You missed a lot more than the questions. Somewhere down the line, you missed brain cells.

You're just another racist joining Ridge. Keep it up RL....

This is my country too you FREAKING RACIST !!!

You're telling me I should go back to where I came from?

Maybe you should go back to the rock you were living under....DUMBASS!

"...I don't call people who believe in God dumbasses..."

Wow, that one should be framed.

 

Au contraire, mon frere.

You called Perfecttiming a dumbass for quoting scripture.

Then you got called out on it.

Then you denied doing it, saying you were calling someone else a dumbass in your response to her.

Then you were shown the evidence that you lied.

Then you admitted it was her you were calling a dumbass.

Then you denied ever lying about it.

 

And come on, joker, it's not like that was one of only a few times you've called anybody who believes in God or specifically in Jesus a dumbass. You do it constantly!  Do you really think you're fooling anybody?

Really?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

"...I don't call people who believe in God dumbasses..."

Wow, that one should be framed.

 

Au contraire, mon frere.

You called Perfecttiming a dumbass for quoting scripture.

Then you got called out on it.

Then you denied doing it, saying you were calling someone else a dumbass in your response to her.

Then you were shown the evidence that you lied.

Then you admitted it was her you were calling a dumbass.

Then you denied ever lying about it.

 

And come on, joker, it's not like that was one of only a few times you've called anybody who believes in God or specifically in Jesus a dumbass. You do it constantly!  Do you really think you're fooling anybody?

Really?

You are denser than a loaf of bread sitting outside for 40 days.

I already showed everyone here that she called me an ignoramus based on some augmented definition of an Antagonist. You had no problem with her calling me that did ya? You're a fool Ridge. Get over it.

I don't try to fool anyone, but if I had to do it to you, it wouldn't take much effort because your brain cells are mush.

 

What you so coveniently forget is that any statements or questions I posed early early on where without ANY name calling. It's only after the fact when you butt in and accuse me of attacking Christianity is when the Schmidt hit the fan.

Anyone with half a brain can go back and see. So stop your lies.

You're a loser on this thread who can't back anything up except with more and more lies and racist remarks. That's all that you're good for. Now you have another loser racist just like your self named RL who's joining the ranks of being a dumbass racist like you.

At least RL attempted to answer some of the tough questions, being a pathetic attempt, but nevertheless, he tried. Unlike you, who has not one grain of intelligence in the words you write. You sound like a 6th grader who needs a good ass kicking to shut his pie hole up once in for all.

I'm a firm believer one day you will get the schmidt kicked out of you when you open your pie hole to the wrong person. And maybe you won't because you don't have the balls to say this to anyone in person. You're just a Christian wannabe tough guy racist on the net who keeps making himself look more and more like an A-hole everytime you write your crap.

Most folks who read these pages aren't fooled by your BS.

joker17

@ Ridge, you really need to get your head out of the sand. Your brain is turning to mush.

Below is the original response I made to perfecttiming2.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2093548

 

I was so pissed that she called me an ignoramus, that I replied by telling her that anyone who quotes scripture as proof is a dumbass. I can post scripture from 10 thousand other religions who all claim to be the true one. BIG FREAKING deal.

If you don't want to be called a dumbass, then it's better to not write anything at all which may qualify you to become one. It's really very simple.

 

Keep lying Ridge. Dig that hole deeper and deeper...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

@ Ridge, you really need to get your head out of the sand. Your brain is turning to mush.

Below is the original response I made to perfecttiming2.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2093548

 

I was so pissed that she called me an ignoramus, that I replied by telling her that anyone who quotes scripture as proof is a dumbass. I can post scripture from 10 thousand other religions who all claim to be the true one. BIG FREAKING deal.

If you don't want to be called a dumbass, then it's better to not write anything at all which may qualify you to become one. It's really very simple.

 

Keep lying Ridge. Dig that hole deeper and deeper...

OK, tell me which joker I should believe then.

The joker who said he never called her a dumbass?

Or the joker who said he did?

Which joker are you today?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

OK, tell me which joker I should believe then.

The joker who said he never called her a dumbass?

Or the joker who said he did?

Which joker are you today?

You're an ass for twisting everything. I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass, I said I never called her a dumbass for believing in God. As you stated a few posts ago, you said I call everyone who doesn't believe in God a dumbass, and I corrected you by pointing out the difference.

Someone calls me an ignoramus, I call her a dumbass. What part of this can't you get?

Your comprehension level is truly bad.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

You are denser than a loaf of bread sitting outside for 40 days.

I already showed everyone here that she called me an ignoramus based on some augmented definition of an Antagonist. You had no problem with her calling me that did ya? You're a fool Ridge. Get over it.

I don't try to fool anyone, but if I had to do it to you, it wouldn't take much effort because your brain cells are mush.

 

What you so coveniently forget is that any statements or questions I posed early early on where without ANY name calling. It's only after the fact when you butt in and accuse me of attacking Christianity is when the Schmidt hit the fan.

Anyone with half a brain can go back and see. So stop your lies.

You're a loser on this thread who can't back anything up except with more and more lies and racist remarks. That's all that you're good for. Now you have another loser racist just like your self named RL who's joining the ranks of being a dumbass racist like you.

At least RL attempted to answer some of the tough questions, being a pathetic attempt, but nevertheless, he tried. Unlike you, who has not one grain of intelligence in the words you write. You sound like a 6th grader who needs a good ass kicking to shut his pie hole up once in for all.

I'm a firm believer one day you will get the schmidt kicked out of you when you open your pie hole to the wrong person. And maybe you won't because you don't have the balls to say this to anyone in person. You're just a Christian wannabe tough guy racist on the net who keeps making himself look more and more like an A-hole everytime you write your crap.

Most folks who read these pages aren't fooled by your BS.

A couple things...

If you're going to use racism as a defense against getting your ass handed to you on a regular basis in debate, could you please inform all of us what race you are?

We'd like to use the proper slurs if you don't mind.

 

Also...

"I already showed everyone here that she called me an ignoramus based on some augmented definition of an Antagonist."

What the hell exactly is that all about?

Are you drinking your box of fine wine straight from the spigot this early in the day?

 

And then there's this...

"I'm a firm believer one day you will get the schmidt kicked out of you when you open your pie hole to the wrong person."

Well hope in one hand and take a dump in your other one and see which one fills up first. It's plain you don't know me very well, sister boy. And I can tell you this: I would be old and infirm, bedridden and in a coma before it would be by the likes of you.

Believe that.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

You're an ass for twisting everything. I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass, I said I never called her a dumbass for believing in God. As you stated a few posts ago, you said I call everyone who doesn't believe in God a dumbass, and I corrected you by pointing out the difference.

Someone calls me an ignoramus, I call her a dumbass. What part of this can't you get?

Your comprehension level is truly bad.

Uh, yes you did say you didn't call her a dumbass.

In fact you said you never called her a dumbass and told me to quit lying about it.

I can find the post if you want to be proven to be a liar again.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Uh, yes you did say you didn't call her a dumbass.

In fact you said you never called her a dumbass and told me to quit lying about it.

I can find the post if you want to be proven to be a liar again.

I already showed you the post where I called her a dumbass. I'm gonna start calling you retarded because you're acting like one.

Go ahead and show me where I said she is a dumbass for believing in God as you stated. You can't because I never said she's a dumbass for that reason. I called her a dumbass just like I called you and RL a dumbass, except the reason for you and RL was for being racists among other things.

Now I'll have to call you a retarded dumbass. Show me where I wrote that I called her a dumbass for believeing in God. I dare you.

Good luck, cause you ain't gonna find it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

"...I don't call people who believe in God dumbasses..."

Wow, that one should be framed.

 

Au contraire, mon frere.

You called Perfecttiming a dumbass for quoting scripture.

Then you got called out on it.

Then you denied doing it, saying you were calling someone else a dumbass in your response to her.

Then you were shown the evidence that you lied.

Then you admitted it was her you were calling a dumbass.

Then you denied ever lying about it.

 

And come on, joker, it's not like that was one of only a few times you've called anybody who believes in God or specifically in Jesus a dumbass. You do it constantly!  Do you really think you're fooling anybody?

Really?

And come on, joker, it's not like that was one of only a few times you've called anybody who believes in God or specifically in Jesus a dumbass. You do it constantly!  Do you really think you're fooling anybody?

 

See folks, this is how Ridge the loser twists things around when it doesn't benefit him. He accuses me of denying calling perfecttiming a dumbass but he conveniently leaves out the fact  that I called her a dumbass because of what she wrote, and not her belief in God.

Poor Ridge tries so hard but he can't fool me with his parlor tricks.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I already showed you the post where I called her a dumbass. I'm gonna start calling you retarded because you're acting like one.

Go ahead and show me where I said she is a dumbass for believing in God as you stated. You can't because I never said she's a dumbass for that reason. I called her a dumbass just like I called you and RL a dumbass, except the reason for you and RL was for being racists among other things.

Now I'll have to call you a retarded dumbass. Show me where I wrote that I called her a dumbass for believeing in God. I dare you.

Good luck, cause you ain't gonna find it.

Wow, I guess I don't blame you for trying to obfuscate the issue, Slick Willy must be one of your heroes (It depends what the definition of is, is). (I did not have sex with that woman! (BJ's don't count)). (I did not inhale!)

You're a real student of his, aren't you?

Don't try changing direction, you know exactly what you're flailing about trying to avoid.

You know you said you never called her a dumbass without qualification or caveat and you know you said I was lying about it.

And now you're lying about that.

You're even slimier and slipperier than I thought. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Wow, I guess I don't blame you for trying to obfuscate the issue, Slick Willy must be one of your heroes (It depends what the definition of is, is). (I did not have sex with that woman! (BJ's don't count)). (I did not inhale!)

You're a real student of his, aren't you?

Don't try changing direction, you know exactly what you're flailing about trying to avoid.

You know you said you never called her a dumbass without qualification or caveat and you know you said I was lying about it.

And now you're lying about that.

You're even slimier and slipperier than I thought. 

It figures, once again, nothing to show where I posted that. More BS from the pie hole.

When you have some proof then come back, until then, go back to your bar and kill more of the little gray matter you have left.

What a pathetic individual you are Ridge....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

You're an ass for twisting everything. I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass, I said I never called her a dumbass for believing in God. As you stated a few posts ago, you said I call everyone who doesn't believe in God a dumbass, and I corrected you by pointing out the difference.

Someone calls me an ignoramus, I call her a dumbass. What part of this can't you get?

Your comprehension level is truly bad.

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

 

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2101486

 

Tell us again that you never claimed you didn't call her a dumbass, joker.

Tell us again that you're not a MFing liar, joker.

June 18th, 3:44 AM, Page 28 - BUSTED!

joker17

I knew it would be hard for Ridge to go thru endless pages of muck written by him to attempt to find something about what I wrote, and never find it. I don't blame him for not wanting to sift through his own garbage. I can smell the steaming pile from here.

You are a mindless simpleton Ridge.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I knew it would be hard for Ridge to go thru endless pages of muck written by him to attempt to find something about what I wrote, and never find it. I don't blame him for not wanting to sift through his own garbage. I can smell the steaming pile from here.

You are a mindless simpleton Ridge.

LMAO!

Talk about bad timing! LOL!

Look above, numbnuts!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

"I never claimed I didn't call her a dumbass..."

 

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2101486

 

Tell us again that you never claimed you didn't call her a dumbass, joker.

Tell us again that you're not a MFing liar, joker.

June 18th, 3:44 AM, Page 28 - BUSTED!

Wrong again, go to the next page or so to get the context of the link you posted. You were in such a frenzy jumping back and forth with examples, going back to the lady who won the 4 grand, and then back to perfecttiming, flip flopping, that I was responding to the 4 grand lady, NOT PERFECTTIMING. I even told that to Vision in my reply to him below in the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2102566

NOW who's the dumbass?    You jump from one topic to the next so fast because you can't keep up, and then try to turn the tables with your parlor tricks. BUT IT DON"T WORK WITH ME LOSER!

Try it on someone else.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

LMAO!

Talk about bad timing! LOL!

Look above, numbnuts!

It's not bad timing, I can still the smell of steaming pile of crap you've written in the multitude of pages.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Wrong again, go to the next page or so to get the context of the link you posted. You were in such a frenzy jumping back and forth with examples, going back to the lady who won the 4 grand, and then back to perfecttiming, flip flopping, that I was responding to the 4 grand lady, NOT PERFECTTIMING. I even told that to Vision in my reply to him below in the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2102566

NOW who's the dumbass?    You jump from one topic to the next so fast because you can't keep up, and then try to turn the tables with your parlor tricks. BUT IT DON"T WORK WITH ME LOSER!

Try it on someone else.

Unfriggingbelievable!

Now you wanna go back to your 2nd lie, that you were talking about someone else? LMAO!

What happens to your first lie that you never said it then?

And what happens to your third lie where you say you did say it but it was because she called you an ignoramus? 

Which lie do you wanna stick with?

 

You really have a tangled web of lies you're wrapping yourself all up in now.

Which one is your favorite?

joker17

How can I possibly deny I called perfettiming a dumbass for calling me an ignoramus when I POSTED THE LINK earlier showing you where I did? https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2093548\

 

I was obviously thinking you meant Elizabeth. But your parlor tricks don't work cause I just posted a link above that proves I called perfecttiming a dumbass for a specific reason.

The link you showed me denying I called perfecttiming a dumbass was because of the confusion you started earlier and I obvioulsy made a mistake in  clarifying it UNTIL LATER when I realized you were talking about perfecttiming and NOT Elizabeth in the link below.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2102566

 

Nice try loser racist...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

It figures, once again, nothing to show where I posted that. More BS from the pie hole.

When you have some proof then come back, until then, go back to your bar and kill more of the little gray matter you have left.

What a pathetic individual you are Ridge....

"It figures, once again, nothing to show where I posted that. More BS from the pie hole.

When you have some proof then come back..."

 

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2101486

 

There's your proof.

Liar.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Unfriggingbelievable!

Now you wanna go back to your 2nd lie, that you were talking about someone else? LMAO!

What happens to your first lie that you never said it then?

And what happens to your third lie where you say you did say it but it was because she called you an ignoramus? 

Which lie do you wanna stick with?

 

You really have a tangled web of lies you're wrapping yourself all up in now.

Which one is your favorite?

I already showed you but you are too dense to understand. I can't draw pictures for you here. Maybe pictures may help, but i doubt it.

I can show you how you jump around in these threads causing confusion, but it would take too much of my precious time on my day off from work, and you're DEFINITELY not worth it. Brainwashed racist Christian wannabes will never ever be satisfied with proof.

What a dismal existence you must have.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

"It figures, once again, nothing to show where I posted that. More BS from the pie hole.

When you have some proof then come back..."

 

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2101486

 

There's your proof.

Liar.

And i addressed that issue here, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2122614  but you have no clue what you are talking about so it's not worth the aggravation for me to drill sense into a brain dead robot like you.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

How can I possibly deny I called perfettiming a dumbass for calling me an ignoramus when I POSTED THE LINK earlier showing you where I did? https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2093548\

 

I was obviously thinking you meant Elizabeth. But your parlor tricks don't work cause I just posted a link above that proves I called perfecttiming a dumbass for a specific reason.

The link you showed me denying I called perfecttiming a dumbass was because of the confusion you started earlier and I obvioulsy made a mistake in  clarifying it UNTIL LATER when I realized you were talking about perfecttiming and NOT Elizabeth in the link below.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2102566

 

Nice try loser racist...

This panic you're in trying to recover your dignity isn't helping, joker, it's only making it worse.

You just keep piling on more lies after you've already been exposed as quite a prolific liar.

It's at the point now where you're just humiliating yourself.

You can know it's bad when even I start to feel sorry for you.

Just stop, before you get in deeper.

Your position is untenable.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

Look at this folks. All of this finger pointing about me calling someone names, which I did, but not for the reasons Ridge claims. But most importantly, coming from a guy who started the whole name calling in the beginning of this thread in the second page.

And then when I pointed the above quote a while back, he got unglued and said that he can't just sit back without saying something to defend Christianity. Do you see the flip flop?

Just admit it Ridge the wannabe. You started the name calling without any provocation.

Put that in your pipe DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joker17

Here we are on page 3 and he continues to call people gutless cowards despite any provocation from Jimmy. Then at the end, the women BS starts to creep in. It's just the beginning of his unwarranted remarks that will eventually, many many pages later evolve into the woman beating cab driver who lives in a cave, smells, and is a terrorist. You're a waste of human being Ridge.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077133

 

 

Here's another name calling by good old Ridge, the Christian wannabe...This is still on page 3.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077139

 

 

And more name calling...

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077159

 

 

 

 

And more...

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077174

 

 

 

So maybe Ridge should start with himself before opening his pie hole.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Look at this folks. All of this finger pointing about me calling someone names, which I did, but not for the reasons Ridge claims. But most importantly, coming from a guy who started the whole name calling in the beginning of this thread in the second page.

And then when I pointed the above quote a while back, he got unglued and said that he can't just sit back without saying something to defend Christianity. Do you see the flip flop?

Just admit it Ridge the wannabe. You started the name calling without any provocation.

Put that in your pipe DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're not only a liar but you're a bad liar, joker.

If I recall correctly, that post directly followed one by some idiot named TruthSerum or something like that who posted once and has never been heard from again. (How shocking, huh truecricket?)

I was responding to that idiot if I recall.

I never addressed you in that post.

Just because you think everything I post is all about you doesn't make it so, joker.

You're only that special in your own mind.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

You're not only a liar but you're a bad liar, joker.

If I recall correctly, that post directly followed one by some idiot named TruthSerum or something like that who posted once and has never been heard from again. (How shocking, huh truecricket?)

I was responding to that idiot if I recall.

I never addressed you in that post.

Just because you think everything I post is all about you doesn't make it so, joker.

You're only that special in your own mind.

Oh, ok, let me get this straight. As long as it wasn't directed towards me, then it's ok to call people names.

Below is what Ridge is talking about. it's what Truthserum wrote. I don't see any good reason to call him a gutless coward....Oh boy Ridge, you've stuck your foot in your mouth again.

 

 

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Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Here we are on page 3 and he continues to call people gutless cowards despite any provocation from Jimmy. Then at the end, the women BS starts to creep in. It's just the beginning of his unwarranted remarks that will eventually, many many pages later evolve into the woman beating cab driver who lives in a cave, smells, and is a terrorist. You're a waste of human being Ridge.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077133

 

 

Here's another name calling by good old Ridge, the Christian wannabe...This is still on page 3.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077139

 

 

And more name calling...

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077159

 

 

 

 

And more...

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077174

 

 

 

So maybe Ridge should start with himself before opening his pie hole.

LMAO! Thank you!

I needed that, LOL.

My favorite was the one where I called mario a mindless little pipsqueak for following you around like a lost puppy and then told him to shine my shoes! LMAO!

Please bring up some more of my Greatest Hits! LMAO!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

LMAO! Thank you!

I needed that, LOL.

My favorite was the one where I called mario a mindless little pipsqueak for following you around like a lost puppy and then told him to shine my shoes! LMAO!

Please bring up some more of my Greatest Hits! LMAO!

So you're admitting you started the the name calling. Finally i got some sense knocked into you.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Oh, ok, let me get this straight. As long as it wasn't directed towards me, then it's ok to call people names.

Below is what Ridge is talking about. it's what Truthserum wrote. I don't see any good reason to call him a gutless coward....Oh boy Ridge, you've stuck your foot in your mouth again.

 

 

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Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

"If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL."

 

Let me tell you something, joker.

Words like that said in my presence would be dealt with accordingly with old fashioned frontier justice, but you know what?

Words like that are never said to my face or anyone's face. Just from safely behind a computer.

And you know why, don't you.

Because the type of men who say things like that are gutless cowards - like you.

 

I proudly stand behind every word I said.

Why?

Because it's the truth.

And you know it. 

joker17

Even your best friend buddy ol pal Tiggs thinks you're a hateful racist bigot. He doesn't say those words, but it's pretty obvious that you are based on your homophobic response.

Just give me the nails and I'll keep pounding them into the coffin Ridge.  Better yet, you're doing all the work for me.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/233307/2122532

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

"If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL."

 

Let me tell you something, joker.

Words like that said in my presence would be dealt with accordingly with old fashioned frontier justice, but you know what?

Words like that are never said to my face or anyone's face. Just from safely behind a computer.

And you know why, don't you.

Because the type of men who say things like that are gutless cowards - like you.

 

I proudly stand behind every word I said.

Why?

Because it's the truth.

And you know it. 

"If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL."

 

Of course you'd resort to violence. You don't have a good answer, so instead of explaining what in particular you think is untrue about the sentence above, your caveman mentality pops up. I know the truth hurts Ridge.

How can anyone who has a half a brain take you or anyone else seriously when a person believes his denomination is the correct one and everyone else is wrong. You Christians can't even agree amongst each other.

When you Christian wannabes get your stories straight, then maybe I may pay some attention to you, but until then, I'll keep mocking you for being confused, brainwashed, and most importantly in your case, a wannabe Christian who doesn't even follow the Bible's rules.

Pathetic Racist Hypocrite Christian wannabe Bigot.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Even your best friend buddy ol pal Tiggs thinks you're a hateful racist bigot. He doesn't say those words, but it's pretty obvious that you are based on your homophobic response.

Just give me the nails and I'll keep pounding them into the coffin Ridge.  Better yet, you're doing all the work for me.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/233307/2122532

You're coming unhinged again, joker.

Maybe it's time for your nap.

Maybe you'll start making sense after you're rested.

Read your post and the link and you'll see, it just doesn't make any sense.

Or are you drunk again?

I remember you used that excuse before (being drunk) to excuse one of your lies, remember?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

You're coming unhinged again, joker.

Maybe it's time for your nap.

Maybe you'll start making sense after you're rested.

Read your post and the link and you'll see, it just doesn't make any sense.

Or are you drunk again?

I remember you used that excuse before (being drunk) to excuse one of your lies, remember?

Nope, I didn't make a mistake. It's Tiggs alright liking you so much for your hate. You are a bigot.

 

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Wow, a girly-man from Georgia!

Where are you from originally?

Frisco? LOL

ridge out about making new friends...This is what tiggs likes about you ridge always out there helping people out and making new friends..Keep up the good work you'll get yours in the end..,.Sweet!..

                                                          Pure luck

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Nope, I didn't make a mistake. It's Tiggs alright liking you so much for your hate. You are a bigot.

 

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Wow, a girly-man from Georgia!

Where are you from originally?

Frisco? LOL

ridge out about making new friends...This is what tiggs likes about you ridge always out there helping people out and making new friends..Keep up the good work you'll get yours in the end..,.Sweet!..

                                                          Pure luck

My point was that your hate is not limited to this thread. Do I have to spell everything out for you?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

"If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL."

 

Of course you'd resort to violence. You don't have a good answer, so instead of explaining what in particular you think is untrue about the sentence above, your caveman mentality pops up. I know the truth hurts Ridge.

How can anyone who has a half a brain take you or anyone else seriously when a person believes his denomination is the correct one and everyone else is wrong. You Christians can't even agree amongst each other.

When you Christian wannabes get your stories straight, then maybe I may pay some attention to you, but until then, I'll keep mocking you for being confused, brainwashed, and most importantly in your case, a wannabe Christian who doesn't even follow the Bible's rules.

Pathetic Racist Hypocrite Christian wannabe Bigot.

Dance all around the periphery of the real issues all you want, joker.

Everybody knows what your game is.

And your game ain't that strong.

Pathetic, actually.

 

You're still my favorite stoneage, racist, Christian-hating, wannabe muslim though!

At least there's that.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

My point was that your hate is not limited to this thread. Do I have to spell everything out for you?

Sorry if my not being a namby-pamby, limp-wristed, wishy-washy, nervous-nellie like you is frazzling your delicate sensibilities joker, but I'm a man and where I come from we say what's on our minds and take the heat.

You, on the other hand are a typical mealy-mouthed liberal who struggles to be politically correct so he doesn't "offend" anybody. Unless you're target is an American or a Christian and you're safely behind your computer.

Then it's war!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Dance all around the periphery of the real issues all you want, joker.

Everybody knows what your game is.

And your game ain't that strong.

Pathetic, actually.

 

You're still my favorite stoneage, racist, Christian-hating, wannabe muslim though!

At least there's that.

Dancing around the periphery?

You're the one dancing by not answering why you believe you're right and every other religion is wrong. Vision tried but failed miserably, so I don't expect you to either.

I don't hate Christians, I hate the individuals who can't back them selves up with proof, and use racist remarks as their defense, all the while trying to turn the tables in the process.

Admit it Ridge. You are brainwashed for believing you're right and the other 38,000 religions are wrong. That can only mean you need mental evaluation.

You're not stupid. I can see in your writing that you have a little intelligence, but you lack common sense.

It's like me knwoing for a fact that the number 3916 will shoe in the p-4 today, but can't prove it. 1 in 10,000. It's the same...all of the other 9,999 combos are wrong because I said so. I can't prove it, but If you disagree with me, I'll call you a cab driver terrorist who smells and beats women.

Now do you see how pathetically moronic you sound?

MY GOD IS THE RIGHT ONE AND THE REST DO NOT EXIST. I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ME FOR BELIEVING DELUSIONAL NONSENSE, BUT DON'T YOU ATTACK CHRISTIANITY AND IT'S MULTITUDES OF DENOMINATIONS THAT CAN'T AGREE WITH EACH OTHER OR I WILL CALL YOU NAMES TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL BETTER.

I WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY PROOF WHY I KNOW I AM RIGHT. I JUST KNOW.

That is defined as being delusional and you should seek mental evaluation.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Sorry if my not being a namby-pamby, limp-wristed, wishy-washy, nervous-nellie like you is frazzling your delicate sensibilities joker, but I'm a man and where I come from we say what's on our minds and take the heat.

You, on the other hand are a typical mealy-mouthed liberal who struggles to be politically correct so he doesn't "offend" anybody. Unless you're target is an American or a Christian and you're safely behind your computer.

Then it's war!

That's fine If you don't mind being labeled as a racist bigot, but then you have no right complaining about name calling by me. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In other words, preach to yourself first about name calling.

You've proven over and over that you have absolutley no clout.

locobahama's avatarlocobahama

Wow you two guys are really keeping this thread going, soap opera ain't have nothing on this, lmao hell with a t.v,

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

That's fine If you don't mind being labeled as a racist bigot, but then you have no right complaining about name calling by me. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In other words, preach to yourself first about name calling.

You've proven over and over that you have absolutley no clout.

When did I ever complain about you calling me names?

I think I mentioned the gall of you calling me a hillbilly and then saying I was calling you racist names. (you never did tell us your race, btw)

But the fact of the matter is I can't believe how frantic you get about namecalling, geeeze, get over it, will ya?

And by the way, if the shoe fits... well... you know...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

When did I ever complain about you calling me names?

I think I mentioned the gall of you calling me a hillbilly and then saying I was calling you racist names. (you never did tell us your race, btw)

But the fact of the matter is I can't believe how frantic you get about namecalling, geeeze, get over it, will ya?

And by the way, if the shoe fits... well... you know...

I meant me calling perfecttiming a dumbass. I only started calling you names because you started the whole middle eastern racist comments. And don't lie, I've said many time s I was born in Iran but came here and when I was 7. How many times did you write about Ahmadinejad? Do I have to go back and show you?

 

At any rate, I have to get a nap so I can get drunk later and play my guitar. When you have some proof to back up your delusions about your fairytales hit me up, until then, it's just fairytales. Bye Bye !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Dancing around the periphery?

You're the one dancing by not answering why you believe you're right and every other religion is wrong. Vision tried but failed miserably, so I don't expect you to either.

I don't hate Christians, I hate the individuals who can't back them selves up with proof, and use racist remarks as their defense, all the while trying to turn the tables in the process.

Admit it Ridge. You are brainwashed for believing you're right and the other 38,000 religions are wrong. That can only mean you need mental evaluation.

You're not stupid. I can see in your writing that you have a little intelligence, but you lack common sense.

It's like me knwoing for a fact that the number 3916 will shoe in the p-4 today, but can't prove it. 1 in 10,000. It's the same...all of the other 9,999 combos are wrong because I said so. I can't prove it, but If you disagree with me, I'll call you a cab driver terrorist who smells and beats women.

Now do you see how pathetically moronic you sound?

MY GOD IS THE RIGHT ONE AND THE REST DO NOT EXIST. I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ME FOR BELIEVING DELUSIONAL NONSENSE, BUT DON'T YOU ATTACK CHRISTIANITY AND IT'S MULTITUDES OF DENOMINATIONS THAT CAN'T AGREE WITH EACH OTHER OR I WILL CALL YOU NAMES TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL BETTER.

I WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY PROOF WHY I KNOW I AM RIGHT. I JUST KNOW.

That is defined as being delusional and you should seek mental evaluation.

Time to put up or shut up, joker.

Show me where I said I was right and every other religion was wrong.

Show me where I said that my God is the right one and the rest do not exist.

Show me where I claimed that any denomination was better than any other.

Show me where I made any claims about my religion or even stated what my religion was, if any.

 

Talk about a delusional dumbass, whoa!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Time to put up or shut up, joker.

Show me where I said I was right and every other religion was wrong.

Show me where I said that my God is the right one and the rest do not exist.

Show me where I claimed that any denomination was better than any other.

Show me where I made any claims about my religion or even stated what my religion was, if any.

 

Talk about a delusional dumbass, whoa!

Are you saying you're not a Christian wannabe?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Are you saying you're not a Christian wannabe?

Are you saying you're not a muslim wannabe?

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Are you saying you're not a muslim wannabe?

Argue   ha ha ha , I love it !

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Are you saying you're not a muslim wannabe?

I don't subscribe to any organized religion. I thought I made that absolutely clear dozens of times already.

On the other hand, you get pissied off because you accuse me of attacking Christianity, so it only makes sense for me to assume you are Christian. You've even posted Bible quotes. I beleieve it was Luke, not sure. I think that qualifies you to be a believer in Christianity no?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I don't subscribe to any organized religion. I thought I made that absolutely clear dozens of times already.

On the other hand, you get pissied off because you accuse me of attacking Christianity, so it only makes sense for me to assume you are Christian. You've even posted Bible quotes. I beleieve it was Luke, not sure. I think that qualifies you to be a believer in Christianity no?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I don't subscribe to any organized religion. I thought I made that absolutely clear dozens of times already.

On the other hand, you get pissied off because you accuse me of attacking Christianity, so it only makes sense for me to assume you are Christian. You've even posted Bible quotes. I beleieve it was Luke, not sure. I think that qualifies you to be a believer in Christianity no?

Are you rejecting the koran as a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool then?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Are you rejecting the koran as a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool then?

You must be having a senior moment....lol

C'mon dude, how many times have I stated over and over that I don't believe in organized religion. Of course I don't believe the Muslim nonsense either. How can all the religions be correct? Does that even make sense? I believe even you can get that no?

You keep forgetting when I say I'm not picking on Christianity, I've said this a thousand times and can go back and show you enless links. Please don't make me do that, I'm tired and need some sleep.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

You must be having a senior moment....lol

C'mon dude, how many times have I stated over and over that I don't believe in organized religion. Of course I don't believe the Muslim nonsense either. How can all the religions be correct? Does that even make sense? I believe even you can get that no?

You keep forgetting when I say I'm not picking on Christianity, I've said this a thousand times and can go back and show you enless links. Please don't make me do that, I'm tired and need some sleep.

This is not a dance hall, quit dancing.

I didn't ask you if you reject generic "muslim nonsense".

 

I asked you if you reject the koran as a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool named mohammed.

Well, do you?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

This is not a dance hall, quit dancing.

I didn't ask you if you reject generic "muslim nonsense".

 

I asked you if you reject the koran as a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool named mohammed.

Well, do you?

YES !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

YES !

Then say it!

In those words!

I'd never have to have to pry it out of you if it was about Christianity!

Why so shy when you're calling the koran a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool named mohammed?

Just say it!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

YES !

And you can add to that all the other 38,000 religions that also have some old man or whatever entity who believes he has cornered the market on truth.

Based on what I've learned is that there probably was a person named Jesus, and Mohamad, but also what I've learned is that there were many who claimed to be God or was a messenger like Mohamad etc...

Heck even the Muslims believe in Jesus, but they don't believe he was the messiah.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Then say it!

In those words!

I'd never have to have to pry it out of you if it was about Christianity!

Why so shy when you're calling the koran a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool named mohammed?

Just say it!

Man you are twisted.

Ok, here it goes....

Yes, I believe Mohamad is nothing more than an old fool and the Koran is nothing but a bunch of nonsesnse.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Man you are twisted.

Ok, here it goes....

Yes, I believe Mohamad is nothing more than an old fool and the Koran is nothing but a bunch of nonsesnse.

Finally! Something we can agree on.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Finally! Something we can agree on.

They're all delusional old men writing things in all religions, not just the Muslim or Christian religions.

ALL OF THEM!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

They're all delusional old men writing things in all religions, not just the Muslim or Christian religions.

ALL OF THEM!

You have your opinion on that and I have mine.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

You have your opinion on that and I have mine.

Yes, you do have an opinion, but it's an undeducated opinion. Anyone can have an opinion, that's a no brainer. I have proof that they all can't be right. The proof is called "Common Sense".

And If you claim to be correct without any proof, and the rest are wrong, I also have another term called "Delusional".

And If Achmed also claims the Muslim religion to be the correct one, and the rest are wrong, and can't back it up, he's delusional also.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Yes, you do have an opinion, but it's an undeducated opinion. Anyone can have an opinion, that's a no brainer. I have proof that they all can't be right. The proof is called "Common Sense".

And If you claim to be correct without any proof, and the rest are wrong, I also have another term called "Delusional".

And If Achmed also claims the Muslim religion to be the correct one, and the rest are wrong, and can't back it up, he's delusional also.

There are things I can't explain to you and there are things I won't explain to you.

There are things I know that I won't trivialize by divulging for the pleasure of your (or anybody's) scrutiny.

I will only tell you this: If you think Jesus Christ is a fairy tale, you are sorely and woefully mistaken.

And I thought the same way you do now at a couple points in my life.

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Joker thought maybe pictures would fit your IQ!   Here you go Buddy Ridge, Joker can't draw pictures but I can step in and try to help you....That would your dumbass on the left.  Just want to make that clear because you were supposed to shut up way back on Page 77.

Buddy Ridge Instructions

Why?  You ask why?  Here, this is why...do your homework before you are allowed to speak again:

Page 77: Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2122128

You just get dumber every minute.

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up!  Here, let me repeat it -  SHUT UP!

You don't like that?  Well, yeah, I can make you.  Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces.  We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

There are things I can't explain to you and there are things I won't explain to you.

There are things I know that I won't trivialize by divulging for the pleasure of your (or anybody's) scrutiny.

I will only tell you this: If you think Jesus Christ is a fairy tale, you are sorely and woefully mistaken.

And I thought the same way you do now at a couple points in my life.

Well that is obvious EVERY DARN TIME YOU POST SOMETHING.  YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN AND WON'T EXPLAIN!

At least VisionDude had some convictions.  He didn't post hateful, disgusting crap like you do!

Oh, yeah...shut up until you do your homework...

You just get dumber every minute.

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an
idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up! Here, let me repeat it - SHUT UP!

You don't like that? Well, yeah, I can make you. Meet me by the big oak tree out
behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

Sorry if my not being a namby-pamby, limp-wristed, wishy-washy, nervous-nellie like you is frazzling your delicate sensibilities joker, but I'm a man and where I come from we say what's on our minds and take the heat.

You, on the other hand are a typical mealy-mouthed liberal who struggles to be politically correct so he doesn't "offend" anybody. Unless you're target is an American or a Christian and you're safely behind your computer.

Then it's war!

Sure fooled me.  You are a creepy namby-pamby, limp-wristed, wishy-washy, nervous-nel that hates anyone that stands up to you.  First thing is to learn respect.  Next thing is to do as you are told, you are only in the third grade afterall!  The only reason you were such a big bully in the 3rd grade is because your were 18 yrs old and much bigger than the other 3rd graders!   Well, now you are trying everything you can on people your own size, so, shut up until you do your homework!

I'll repeat this because I know the dementia is bothering you and you are forgetful:

Page 77: Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2122128

You just get dumber every minute.

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an  idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up! Here, let me repeat it - SHUT UP!

You don't like that? Well, yeah, I can make you. Meet me by the big oak tree out
behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Time to put up or shut up, joker."

 

You?  You are telling Joker to put up or shut up?

Darn, you sure are a stubborn little twit.  That's OK, here is your reminder...

Page 77: Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2122128
 

You just get dumber every minute.

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an  idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up! Here, let me repeat it - SHUT UP!

You don't like that? Well, yeah, I can make you. Meet me by the big oak tree out
behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!

I guess the good news for you, I don't see you out back by the oak tree...so, maybe, just maybe you are doing your homework!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

This is not a dance hall, quit dancing.

I didn't ask you if you reject generic "muslim nonsense".

 

I asked you if you reject the koran as a bunch of nonsense written by an old fool named mohammed.

Well, do you?

Right!  EVERYONE HAS TO ANSWER THE LITTLE 3RD GRADER WHEN HE SPEAKS!

 

Have you done YOUR homework yet?  Huh?

 

Page 77: Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2122128
 

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up! Here, let me repeat it - SHUT UP!

You don't like that? Well, yeah, I can make you. Meet me by the big oak tree out
behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 5, 2011

Joker thought maybe pictures would fit your IQ!   Here you go Buddy Ridge, Joker can't draw pictures but I can step in and try to help you....That would your dumbass on the left.  Just want to make that clear because you were supposed to shut up way back on Page 77.

Buddy Ridge Instructions

Why?  You ask why?  Here, this is why...do your homework before you are allowed to speak again:

Page 77: Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2122128

You just get dumber every minute.

Here's what you HAVE to do:

1) Go read that TN law again and report back why your statement was that of an idiot.

2) Prove the websites I listed are "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist website(s)"

3) Prove Thomas Jefferson was a "left-wing, lunatic-fringe, atheist"

4) Prove there is some stupid men's nipple worship cult.

Until you do, shut up!  Here, let me repeat it -  SHUT UP!

You don't like that?  Well, yeah, I can make you.  Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces.  We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!

OMG...too funny Truecritic......hee hee...

Green laugh

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

There are things I can't explain to you and there are things I won't explain to you.

There are things I know that I won't trivialize by divulging for the pleasure of your (or anybody's) scrutiny.

I will only tell you this: If you think Jesus Christ is a fairy tale, you are sorely and woefully mistaken.

And I thought the same way you do now at a couple points in my life.

Of course you won't. It's easier to explain away your delusion by hiding it behnd some curtain of secrecy and laziness.

I'm mistaken If i think Jesus is a fairytale? The Bible stories about Jesus were plagiarised. I showed Vision many many videos proving beyond a shadow of a doubt. Unfortunately for you, you can't watch videos, but you do have the ability to read about it. But I know you won't. You need to believe in something or your life will seem empty, and there is nothing wrong with that. If it takes a story for you to have comfort in your life, then so beit.

But I'm not going to sit here and be bullied by a wannabe Christian who doesn't even follow it's rules. If i see something I don't agree with, I don't sugar coat it. I tell it as I see it, and neither you or any other person except Todd can shut me up.

The Ridge police won't stop me from disagreeing with someone who believes God stopped everything he was doing to help some person win some money when the world is going to hell. I know you can't understand such a basic concept, but that's par for the course. Religious zealots will always turn away from logic to attain their agendas.

I used to be religious and believed in Christianity, just like you Ridge, but one day I woke up and realized that being spiritual was good enough for me. You can choose whatever to beleive in, as long as you don't try to use childish and make racist remarks to make points. It won't work, and anyone with a half a brain can see through your BS.

As long as I'm here and Todd allows it, you won't get away with it.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Of course you won't. It's easier to explain away your delusion by hiding it behnd some curtain of secrecy and laziness.

I'm mistaken If i think Jesus is a fairytale? The Bible stories about Jesus were plagiarised. I showed Vision many many videos proving beyond a shadow of a doubt. Unfortunately for you, you can't watch videos, but you do have the ability to read about it. But I know you won't. You need to believe in something or your life will seem empty, and there is nothing wrong with that. If it takes a story for you to have comfort in your life, then so beit.

But I'm not going to sit here and be bullied by a wannabe Christian who doesn't even follow it's rules. If i see something I don't agree with, I don't sugar coat it. I tell it as I see it, and neither you or any other person except Todd can shut me up.

The Ridge police won't stop me from disagreeing with someone who believes God stopped everything he was doing to help some person win some money when the world is going to hell. I know you can't understand such a basic concept, but that's par for the course. Religious zealots will always turn away from logic to attain their agendas.

I used to be religious and believed in Christianity, just like you Ridge, but one day I woke up and realized that being spiritual was good enough for me. You can choose whatever to beleive in, as long as you don't try to use childish and make racist remarks to make points. It won't work, and anyone with a half a brain can see through your BS.

As long as I'm here and Todd allows it, you won't get away with it.

LOL! You apparently mistook me for someone who actually cares what you think or believe.

I really don't think there's anybody matching that description here anymore.

Your credibility flew away like a big ass bird, junior. Long, long time ago.

 

Just know this:

When you make a comment about your seething hatred for Christianity - I will respond.

And there's not a dam thing you can do to stop me, little ayatollah ahmahdinejad.

And if that frustrates you then take your religious police show on the road, cuz you ain't in that sandbox now, boy, you're in my country now. That's right, you're in America now and you will act civilized here.

And that religious police sh-t ain't never gonna fly here, sonny boy - ever.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

OMG...too funny Truecritic......hee hee...

Green laugh

You and truecricket should really get a room, joker.

Or are you both there now?

Now that I think about it, you don't say much about your male "roommates" at 47 years old.

Hmmm... Interesting...

No wonder you two get along so well... lol...   The nipple twins...HippyHippy lol...

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Nancy's gonna be absolutely  lavender with rage though.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

You and truecricket should really get a room, joker.

Or are you both there now?

Now that I think about it, you don't say much about your male "roommates" at 47 years old.

Hmmm... Interesting...

No wonder you two get along so well... lol...   The nipple twins...HippyHippy lol...

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Nancy's gonna be absolutely  lavender with rage though.

Green laugh

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 4, 2011

think i missed something,was that "male appendix" or"male appendege"? cause i did't know that women had a different appendix.and if its latter mine plays an active role.

Edit: Yeah, I made a typo..I have since fired my proof-reader..

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

I'm glad you're in favor of religious freedom.....so am I....

Are you also in favor of others who may disagree and have the same right to voice their opinion in opposition? I hope you do....

As far as the connections, read my prior posts to this one.

Yes, I'm also in favor of having/voicing opposing viewpoints... I Agree!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 5, 2011

Yes, I'm also in favor of having/voicing opposing viewpoints... I Agree!

thank You CashWinner$...

That's all I asked for.

Sad Cheers

joker17

Hey Ridge, you truly have a gift for laughter. You're witty...

Stick with what you're good at. But please don't try to corner the market on TRUTH.

No One has a monopoly on truth. As far as i know...lol

CashWinner$

Well, after a visit from the central-air repair guy..................................

Alls I have to say is, if there is a God, I need to win a Million Dollars..........

Thanks in advance!! Yes Nod

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

thank You CashWinner$...

That's all I asked for.

Sad Cheers

Cheers

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 5, 2011

Well, after a visit from the central-air repair guy..................................

Alls I have to say is, if there is a God, I need to win a Million Dollars..........

Thanks in advance!! Yes Nod

i heard extra hard prayers work better.

The Central - air -repair guy is full of air....

I'm sure God will take time out of his very busy schedule to help you out.

Don't worry, God performs miracles.

God Bless you CashWinner$...

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 5, 2011

Edit: Yeah, I made a typo..I have since fired my proof-reader..

i just hired mine.that is to say i only today, learned how to use the edit feature,ya know when some ONE misses a word or something you need to read it 2-3 times to get the context.SmileLOL "one" is in caps cause i almost left it out.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

i heard extra hard prayers work better.

The Central - air -repair guy is full of air....

I'm sure God will take time out of his very busy schedule to help you out.

Don't worry, God performs miracles.

God Bless you CashWinner$...

Good. Prayer will commence for me at bedtime tonight then...

Anything could happen!

Hell, I agreed with Sean Hannity earlier this evening...after that, I believe anythings possible!

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 5, 2011

i just hired mine.that is to say i only today, learned how to use the edit feature,ya know when some ONE misses a word or something you need to read it 2-3 times to get the context.SmileLOL "one" is in caps cause i almost left it out.

Thats kool...

Yes, I've had to use edit a few times myself... Type

CashWinner$

Hi Ridge, how's it going? Coffee

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 5, 2011

Thats kool...

Yes, I've had to use edit a few times myself... Type

hope you're a/c repair took good care of you, today was a"roaster".well at least for this area.Sun Smileysaw on tv that it was 113 in az.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 5, 2011

hope you're a/c repair took good care of you, today was a"roaster".well at least for this area.Sun Smileysaw on tv that it was 113 in az.

Yep, air sure is jammin' now....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 5, 2011

Yep, air sure is jammin' now....

Cold air is always nice,

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Cold air is always nice,

Got that right joker! Much better than the alternative...lol....

However, come December...not so much Wink

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Hey Ridge, you truly have a gift for laughter. You're witty...

Stick with what you're good at. But please don't try to corner the market on TRUTH.

No One has a monopoly on truth. As far as i know...lol

I've never tried to corner the market on truth. I don't even know what that would entail.

No one has a monopoly on truth joker, not even you.

I know truth but I don't preach it or try to force feed it to anybody.

I suppose if I was a better Christian maybe I would or should but I'm not so I don't. I'm a lazy Christian, I'm content letting people believe what ever they want to believe.

It just so happens though that it goes against my grain and my nature to stand idly by while fellow Christians are assailed, accosted, assaulted, belittled, mocked, ridiculed and laughed at by you or anybody. It's just my nature. Maybe that's my lot in life. Maybe it'll be in a more real sense and physical dimension someday. But I could no sooner avoid it than skip my next few breaths. 

Look at it this way; Perhaps the same instinct that drives you to attack Christians, motivates me to defend them.

Who knows, it could be as simple as that.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Cold air is always nice,

funny thing about that,i was'nt thinking that back in jan. when i was diggin,out that snow and wondering if i'd be able to get to work on time.i was abt. 10 min. late, don't think my boss knew it or did't care,seen me in the hallway and said "thanks for coming in"meanwhile i was thinkin i'could have Bed

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 5, 2011

Hi Ridge, how's it going? Coffee

Hey Cash, I'm good.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

I've never tried to corner the market on truth. I don't even know what that would entail.

No one has a monopoly on truth joker, not even you.

I know truth but I don't preach it or try to force feed it to anybody.

I suppose if I was a better Christian maybe I would or should but I'm not so I don't. I'm a lazy Christian, I'm content letting people believe what ever they want to believe.

It just so happens though that it goes against my grain and my nature to stand idly by while fellow Christians are assailed, accosted, assaulted, belittled, mocked, ridiculed and laughed at by you or anybody. It's just my nature. Maybe that's my lot in life. Maybe it'll be in a more real sense and physical dimension someday. But I could no sooner avoid it than skip my next few breaths. 

Look at it this way; Perhaps the same instinct that drives you to attack Christians, motivates me to defend them.

Who knows, it could be as simple as that.

Who knows, it could be as simple as that.

 

it is simple as that..

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Who knows, it could be as simple as that.

 

it is simple as that..

i have heard stories abt. ppl.that....wha..you guys nother dayBed

CashWinner$

Sigh.................

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 5, 2011

I've never tried to corner the market on truth. I don't even know what that would entail.

No one has a monopoly on truth joker, not even you.

I know truth but I don't preach it or try to force feed it to anybody.

I suppose if I was a better Christian maybe I would or should but I'm not so I don't. I'm a lazy Christian, I'm content letting people believe what ever they want to believe.

It just so happens though that it goes against my grain and my nature to stand idly by while fellow Christians are assailed, accosted, assaulted, belittled, mocked, ridiculed and laughed at by you or anybody. It's just my nature. Maybe that's my lot in life. Maybe it'll be in a more real sense and physical dimension someday. But I could no sooner avoid it than skip my next few breaths. 

Look at it this way; Perhaps the same instinct that drives you to attack Christians, motivates me to defend them.

Who knows, it could be as simple as that.

Wish I could believe you.  You have this melancholy, "truthful" moment but in the next instant you will turn and use everything and anything against anyone.  You "assail, accost, assault, belittle, mock, ridicule," etc; anyone and everyone for any reason in the most vicious attacks. 

You seem to envision everyone is out to get you whether there is a real threat of attack or not - not just religion but pretty much a broad spectrum of subjects.  Somehow you want to be able to attack others by calling them names or making malicious  implications and being immune to any law or moral behavior.   You forget all loyalties in the past and open fire.  You forget or ignore the facts.  In my case I've told you more than once, in fact was on your side in a few comments against "libs."  But you fly into a rage and start calling people libs.  You don't fact check, you just start the accusations flying!  (have you gotten the proof on Thomas Jefferson yet?? Wink)

If you would bother to check facts and use some logical arguments without the 3rd grade name calling, then at least your position could be valid. 

I'll take your statements above at face value - but when you've done this in the past, it hasn't stuck.  If it does stick this time, great.  If you start up, I'll be ready for another round.  Freedom of speech works for both sides.

"It could be as simple as that."

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 6, 2011

Wish I could believe you.  You have this melancholy, "truthful" moment but in the next instant you will turn and use everything and anything against anyone.  You "assail, accost, assault, belittle, mock, ridicule," etc; anyone and everyone for any reason in the most vicious attacks. 

You seem to envision everyone is out to get you whether there is a real threat of attack or not - not just religion but pretty much a broad spectrum of subjects.  Somehow you want to be able to attack others by calling them names or making malicious  implications and being immune to any law or moral behavior.   You forget all loyalties in the past and open fire.  You forget or ignore the facts.  In my case I've told you more than once, in fact was on your side in a few comments against "libs."  But you fly into a rage and start calling people libs.  You don't fact check, you just start the accusations flying!  (have you gotten the proof on Thomas Jefferson yet?? Wink)

If you would bother to check facts and use some logical arguments without the 3rd grade name calling, then at least your position could be valid. 

I'll take your statements above at face value - but when you've done this in the past, it hasn't stuck.  If it does stick this time, great.  If you start up, I'll be ready for another round.  Freedom of speech works for both sides.

"It could be as simple as that."

Freedom of speech works for both sides.

 

And that's what Ridge just doesn't get.

 Also, Instead of disagreeing and giving specific reasons why, he instigates with his racist remarks, as If THEN, I will take him seriously. Yeah, that will surely make me a believer....

 

Oh, and BTW Ridge, I don't define asking questions or making statements about religion or God as an attack. That's your label, not mine. You can't stop me from doing those things. You can reply in anger all you want, but it will be futile for you. Once you understand this, you'll feel better about yourself.

Go ahead, knock yourself out. I'll still be here to stand my ground. I have as much right to free speech as you do. Get over it already.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 5, 2011

Wrong again...I don't call people who believe in God dumbasses, I call people who bring in irrelevant racist remarks as their defense because they have nothing viable to post. And your pathetic attempt in answering simple questions makes you even more of a dumbass. You're better off staying silent cause you're making a fool out of yourself everytime you write something.

You missed a lot more than the questions. Somewhere down the line, you missed brain cells.

You're just another racist joining Ridge. Keep it up RL....

This is my country too you FREAKING RACIST !!!

You're telling me I should go back to where I came from?

Maybe you should go back to the rock you were living under....DUMBASS!

joke

As mr Spock would say, "well, a double dumbass to you."  Talk about not understanding anything

you take the prize in that catagory,  Double Dumbass catagory that is.  I have been waiting

for you to say one thing that makes since but we both know that will never happen.  You need 

to lay off the syfy and talk radio for a while.  Maybe read a real book that does not include pictures

of UFO's on the cover.  You most likely have the entire  Eric von-wrong-again collection on your shelf.

You should fit right in out there in califorinia in every way.  I would watch what you say here because

one day it might just jump up and bite you in the ass.  It appears that your current life has not turned

out to well for you, you don't seem to have a family, not much of a job, no education to speak of and

in need of a road stake to try it somewhere else.   I use to kind of like you because you bought a

different point of view but now realise that you only have one point, that everyone who does not

agree with you is a dumbass.   I hope you have much success in CA. and may God smile down on you

once he stops laughing.

 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 6, 2011

joke

As mr Spock would say, "well, a double dumbass to you."  Talk about not understanding anything

you take the prize in that catagory,  Double Dumbass catagory that is.  I have been waiting

for you to say one thing that makes since but we both know that will never happen.  You need 

to lay off the syfy and talk radio for a while.  Maybe read a real book that does not include pictures

of UFO's on the cover.  You most likely have the entire  Eric von-wrong-again collection on your shelf.

You should fit right in out there in califorinia in every way.  I would watch what you say here because

one day it might just jump up and bite you in the ass.  It appears that your current life has not turned

out to well for you, you don't seem to have a family, not much of a job, no education to speak of and

in need of a road stake to try it somewhere else.   I use to kind of like you because you bought a

different point of view but now realise that you only have one point, that everyone who does not

agree with you is a dumbass.   I hope you have much success in CA. and may God smile down on you

once he stops laughing.

 

RL

So let me get this straight, If I had a family, a great job, and a higher education, then calling anyone I want a dumbass for eluding the tough questions or your pathetic attempt to answer them, and being labeled with racist remarks would be OK?

Great, let me go out and get a better job, and I will attend a university at night after work, and marry some woman with kids. I'll be back in about 4 years and call you a dumbass without scrutiny from you.

Makes total sense to me....Crazy 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Freedom of speech works for both sides.

 

And that's what Ridge just doesn't get.

 Also, Instead of disagreeing and giving specific reasons why, he instigates with his racist remarks, as If THEN, I will take him seriously. Yeah, that will surely make me a believer....

 

Oh, and BTW Ridge, I don't define asking questions or making statements about religion or God as an attack. That's your label, not mine. You can't stop me from doing those things. You can reply in anger all you want, but it will be futile for you. Once you understand this, you'll feel better about yourself.

Go ahead, knock yourself out. I'll still be here to stand my ground. I have as much right to free speech as you do. Get over it already.

"You can't stop me from doing those things."

 

You must love making me repeat myself, Sybil.

Listen carefully this time, OK?

I cannot stop you from saying anything you want nor do I have a desire to.

But I will respond to your vicious attacks on Christians (particularly Christian women) and if you are offended by that you will just simply have to get over it.

You will be held to the same standards of civilized behavior as anyone else.

You're not our little half-pint, midget dictator.

Your hero, the little midget Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, would get the sh-t stomped out of him in about 3 seconds flat in any of the saloons I frequent around here.

So don't expect preferential treatment because you are one of his devotees.

You're in America now, act civilized! 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 6, 2011

Wish I could believe you.  You have this melancholy, "truthful" moment but in the next instant you will turn and use everything and anything against anyone.  You "assail, accost, assault, belittle, mock, ridicule," etc; anyone and everyone for any reason in the most vicious attacks. 

You seem to envision everyone is out to get you whether there is a real threat of attack or not - not just religion but pretty much a broad spectrum of subjects.  Somehow you want to be able to attack others by calling them names or making malicious  implications and being immune to any law or moral behavior.   You forget all loyalties in the past and open fire.  You forget or ignore the facts.  In my case I've told you more than once, in fact was on your side in a few comments against "libs."  But you fly into a rage and start calling people libs.  You don't fact check, you just start the accusations flying!  (have you gotten the proof on Thomas Jefferson yet?? Wink)

If you would bother to check facts and use some logical arguments without the 3rd grade name calling, then at least your position could be valid. 

I'll take your statements above at face value - but when you've done this in the past, it hasn't stuck.  If it does stick this time, great.  If you start up, I'll be ready for another round.  Freedom of speech works for both sides.

"It could be as simple as that."

You're not following the orders I gave you, princess, and I'm growing weary of repeating myself.

Nonsensical posters such as yourself are allowed one sentence to address me if you want me to read it and you must quickly get to the point in the first half of the sentence or I don't finish reading it. I got no time for the nonsense. 

That's the drill.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

I can, however, sense the anxiety and frustration in your frantic apologies to me, princess, and I want to help in anyway I can, (I am human afterall), so I will tell you the following. Some nervous nellies such as yourself find comfort in chanting my name. No promises, but try it for a few weeks and see if it does indeed provide any relief from your psychotic episodes. I think you may be pleasantly surprised. Thumbs Up

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

"You can't stop me from doing those things."

 

You must love making me repeat myself, Sybil.

Listen carefully this time, OK?

I cannot stop you from saying anything you want nor do I have a desire to.

But I will respond to your vicious attacks on Christians (particularly Christian women) and if you are offended by that you will just simply have to get over it.

You will be held to the same standards of civilized behavior as anyone else.

You're not our little half-pint, midget dictator.

Your hero, the little midget Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, would get the sh-t stomped out of him in about 3 seconds flat in any of the saloons I frequent around here.

So don't expect preferential treatment because you are one of his devotees.

You're in America now, act civilized! 

Oh, when I respond it's an attack, but when you respond with your racist remarks, it's  just an innocent walk in the park.

Go back to your tick infested trailer loser.

I bet you weigh 300 plus pounds. You couldn't kick anything's ass except for a triple cheeseburger delux, you fat cow!

Dumb Redneck racist fatso talking smack. LOSER!

joker17

I found this racist fat pig on the net...The triple deluxe burger wasn't enough for Ridge.

Ridge, you never told us you were on the news....

fat

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

JOKE

No, what I am suggesting is that if you had a family of your own and a education, nice job

then maybe you would not feel the need to call everyone names.   You could have the

american dream and put down roots, have some kids which you could teach to do the same.

You could teach them to do whats good for the country even if it is not the easiest thing

some times.  You seem to live a lifestyle that is 100% focused on you without even thinking

for a moment of putting back.  Take what you like, as much as you like, whenever you like.

You claim the rights that so many fought and died for without having invested anything.

You say you served in the armed forces which is a good thing but when I was in many enlisted

just to have a job.   What we have here in the US was not free, It has been paid for by many who

gave their lives and to have you calling me a dumbass because I believe in the things that they

gave thier lives for, you should be shamed.   You say you don't believe in god that's fine and you

have that right but when you try and take away my right to believe what I want then you have

stepped over the line.   Ridge has you pegged. 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 6, 2011

JOKE

No, what I am suggesting is that if you had a family of your own and a education, nice job

then maybe you would not feel the need to call everyone names.   You could have the

american dream and put down roots, have some kids which you could teach to do the same.

You could teach them to do whats good for the country even if it is not the easiest thing

some times.  You seem to live a lifestyle that is 100% focused on you without even thinking

for a moment of putting back.  Take what you like, as much as you like, whenever you like.

You claim the rights that so many fought and died for without having invested anything.

You say you served in the armed forces which is a good thing but when I was in many enlisted

just to have a job.   What we have here in the US was not free, It has been paid for by many who

gave their lives and to have you calling me a dumbass because I believe in the things that they

gave thier lives for, you should be shamed.   You say you don't believe in god that's fine and you

have that right but when you try and take away my right to believe what I want then you have

stepped over the line.   Ridge has you pegged. 

RL

The only thing Ridge has pegged is the fat burger lodged in his mouth.

 You can't stop me from posting my free speech, just like I can't do to you. But once racist remarks come flying out, all bets are off DUMBASS!

You don't have a problem with Ridge calling people at the beginning of this thread "Gutless cowards" That is a double standard, and If you can't understand that, then you're a double dumbass.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

You're not following the orders I gave you, princess, and I'm growing weary of repeating myself.

Nonsensical posters such as yourself are allowed one sentence to address me if you want me to read it and you must quickly get to the point in the first half of the sentence or I don't finish reading it. I got no time for the nonsense. 

That's the drill.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

I can, however, sense the anxiety and frustration in your frantic apologies to me, princess, and I want to help in anyway I can, (I am human afterall), so I will tell you the following. Some nervous nellies such as yourself find comfort in chanting my name. No promises, but try it for a few weeks and see if it does indeed provide any relief from your psychotic episodes. I think you may be pleasantly surprised. Thumbs Up

Didn't stick did it?  Buddy you're a chicken liver weakling - you don't have the guts to remain civil!  Nor the brains!  Everyone here gets along except you, a real sumbeach.

 

"You will be held to the same standards of civilized behavior as anyone else."

That means we can do JUST LIKE YOU DO!  Your standards would get you killed in any bar in TN.  I pray to God that they don't kill you but it's really out of my hands. 

"You're not following the orders I gave you,..." 

When you're right, you're right.  I AM NOT following orders from some Commie slug,     Get back in your cave before you get thrown in the hole again. 

 

"But I will respond to your vicious attacks on Christians (particularly Christian women)"

NO ONE has made any vicious attacks on Christians.   The ONLY vicious attacks I have seen here come from YOU! 

Oh, let me bring you up to date, women have equal rights now!   DUH!  I guess everyone but you knows that!   They don't need a pig like you to defend them!  I've seen women here that would feel no guilt beating you to death with the blunt end of your left leg and then shoving it down your throat!  In fact I hear many of them don't like you TELLING THEM WHAT TO  DO.

What we've got here is... failure to communicate.  Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way Buddy wants it... well, he gets it.  I don't like it any more than you guys.

Buddy, if you don't like that, the offer still stands!    Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part! 

The oak tree is the one with acorns.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

If we could only get Buddy into church and knock the devil out of him.  I know it wouldn't be easy but if everyone here works together, we could do it.  

 

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

The only thing Ridge has pegged is the fat burger lodged in his mouth.

 You can't stop me from posting my free speech, just like I can't do to you. But once racist remarks come flying out, all bets are off DUMBASS!

You don't have a problem with Ridge calling people at the beginning of this thread "Gutless cowards" That is a double standard, and If you can't understand that, then you're a double dumbass.

JOKE

Just one more question, do you call your little old muslim, christian hating grandma a dumbass

for beliving in God? If not then that seems like a double standard.

RL

olplugger's avatarolplugger

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on May 29, 2011

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Indeed He does!  Thanks sully!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 6, 2011

JOKE

Just one more question, do you call your little old muslim, christian hating grandma a dumbass

for beliving in God? If not then that seems like a double standard.

RL

Only If she made racist remarks, but she's doesn't stoop low like you and Ridge. She has a million times more class than you and Ridge put together.

What did I tell you about writing more stupid things here? Everytime you come here and try to make a point, you lose more and more braincells.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

The only thing Ridge has pegged is the fat burger lodged in his mouth.

 You can't stop me from posting my free speech, just like I can't do to you. But once racist remarks come flying out, all bets are off DUMBASS!

You don't have a problem with Ridge calling people at the beginning of this thread "Gutless cowards" That is a double standard, and If you can't understand that, then you're a double dumbass.

"You don't have a problem with Ridge calling people at the beginning of this thread "Gutless cowards"

 

Well, like, hey dude, if the shoe fits, ya know?

Far out.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Only If she made racist remarks, but she's doesn't stoop low like you and Ridge. She has a million times more class than you and Ridge put together.

What did I tell you about writing more stupid things here? Everytime you come here and try to make a point, you lose more and more braincells.

JOKE

I thought it was a resonable question because your reply is very important.  You told as all in a eariler

post that she hated christians but believed in God.  I never made a racist remark against you and sorry

if you took anything I said that way.  You called me a dumbass because I believe in God so I wanted to

know if your remarks were in effect directed at me or everyone who believes in God.  If you say everyone

then you called your grandma a dumbass regardless of how much class she may have.  I would never

call your Grandma a dumbass even though she hates the faith I belong to.   I have many friends with

ethnicity different than mine.  I have never been called a racist before in my life, I agreeded with ridge

in the fact that you seem to have two sides and my previous question shows this.  It is ok for you to

trash me for my beliefs while making exceptions for others which seems to me a bit two sided or maybe

a bit racist.  I do however question your motives and your claims as to how much you care about this 

country.  Some of your remarks in other post suggest your not the team player you would like us to

believe.  So go ahead and play offshore for a few extra dollars I am sure CA. does not need the revenue.

I feel more brain cells dying as I type. 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

"You don't have a problem with Ridge calling people at the beginning of this thread "Gutless cowards"

 

Well, like, hey dude, if the shoe fits, ya know?

Far out.

Yup, double standards at work. You and RL are a couple of certified losers. One's a fat redneck Christian wannabe racist bigot drunk, and the other has his head so far up his ass, crap is coming out of his mouth everytime he opens it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 6, 2011

JOKE

I thought it was a resonable question because your reply is very important.  You told as all in a eariler

post that she hated christians but believed in God.  I never made a racist remark against you and sorry

if you took anything I said that way.  You called me a dumbass because I believe in God so I wanted to

know if your remarks were in effect directed at me or everyone who believes in God.  If you say everyone

then you called your grandma a dumbass regardless of how much class she may have.  I would never

call your Grandma a dumbass even though she hates the faith I belong to.   I have many friends with

ethnicity different than mine.  I have never been called a racist before in my life, I agreeded with ridge

in the fact that you seem to have two sides and my previous question shows this.  It is ok for you to

trash me for my beliefs while making exceptions for others which seems to me a bit two sided or maybe

a bit racist.  I do however question your motives and your claims as to how much you care about this 

country.  Some of your remarks in other post suggest your not the team player you would like us to

believe.  So go ahead and play offshore for a few extra dollars I am sure CA. does not need the revenue.

I feel more brain cells dying as I type. 

RL

You told as all in a eariler

post that she hated christians but believed in God. 

 

Who's she?

 

I don't care If you believe in the monkey butt God, all I ever asked was to stop the racist remarks because they have absolutely nothing to do with this subject. Eveytime you and Ridge start that crap It shows me you have nothing to contribute to your cause.

 

There you go questioning my patriotism again. I'm so sick and tired of you and Ridge's BS already. You two are the ones that bring out the bad in me. Keep up the patriotic BS and I'll get uglier in here.

Keep it up...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Yup, double standards at work. You and RL are a couple of certified losers. One's a fat redneck Christian wannabe racist bigot drunk, and the other has his head so far up his ass, crap is coming out of his mouth everytime he opens it.

You're a funny little guy.

You're 5' 2" now but I bet you'd only be about 4' 3" after I slapped the turban off your head.  LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

You're a funny little guy.

You're 5' 2" now but I bet you'd only be about 4' 3" after I slapped the turban off your head.  LOL

Keep dreaming fatso. You could try that but you'd end up in the hospital faster than you could say tripple deluxe bacon cheesburger.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Keep dreaming fatso. You could try that but you'd end up in the hospital faster than you could say tripple deluxe bacon cheesburger.

Whataya gonna do?

Punch me in the knee? LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Whataya gonna do?

Punch me in the knee? LOL

I'd place a mirror in front of you. That should make you go into shock.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

I'd place a mirror in front of you. That should make you go into shock.

I wonder what would happen if I did a pull start with your turban like I do with my lawnmower?  LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

I wonder what would happen if I did a pull start with your turban like I do with my lawnmower?  LOL

I wonder how hard you'd cry like a little bitch once I'd knocked out the one remaining tooth you have left in your mouth.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

I wonder how hard you'd cry like a little bitch once I'd knocked out the one remaining tooth you have left in your mouth.

I wonder how you'll handle all my bobbin' and weavin' while you're standing on that ladder tryin to knock my tooth out?  LOL

joker17

The ambulance driver would have to call someone who has a forklift to pick you up and shove you into the ambulance.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

The ambulance driver would have to call someone who has a forklift to pick you up and shove you into the ambulance.

Ambulance?  LOL

I'd just put you in my pocket (don't try to feel anything while you're in there!) and take you to the post office and mail you back to your own country.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Keep dreaming fatso. You could try that but you'd end up in the hospital faster than you could say tripple deluxe bacon cheesburger.

the mullet(hairstyle) bros. a tv show where 2 bros. named miller are A/C mechanics.the older bro. asks the younger & 2 of their freinds "what are the 3 sweetest words in the english langauge".1st guy says "bacon dbl. cheeseburger" 2nd guy says "miller genuine draft" the younger bro. says "pamala anderson-miller" then the older bro. pulls out a vcr tape and says "good answers all,but i'm talkin about, girls gone wild".Party

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Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 6, 2011

the mullet(hairstyle) bros. a tv show where 2 bros. named miller are A/C mechanics.the older bro. asks the younger & 2 of their freinds "what are the 3 sweetest words in the english langauge".1st guy says "bacon dbl. cheeseburger" 2nd guy says "miller genuine draft" the younger bro. says "pamala anderson-miller" then the older bro. pulls out a vcr tape and says "good answers all,but i'm talkin about, girls gone wild".Party

Girls gone wild?  Thumbs Up  Never heard of it! Wink

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Girls gone wild?  Thumbs Up  Never heard of it! Wink

yea,wish that show ran longer,but i guess they did't get the ratings needed. was tryin to figure where to useWink LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Ambulance?  LOL

I'd just put you in my pocket (don't try to feel anything while you're in there!) and take you to the post office and mail you back to your own country.

This is my country a-hole....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Girls gone wild?  Thumbs Up  Never heard of it! Wink

We all know you like to make love to sheep....fat ones...

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

I wonder what would happen if I did a pull start with your turban like I do with my lawnmower?  LOL

sometimes w/ a hard to start engine you can use "jack" its got a real kick to get things started,course thats not needed here, but i needed it when i left the dentist's office. ha-ha

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

We all know you like to make love to sheep....fat ones...

I think you're confusing me with Mohammed and the Ayatollahs.

Hey! That would be a great name for your band!  LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

This is my country a-hole....

No, no, no, people in this country are civilized.

You still act like a barbarian.

We'll break you in no time though.

You'll act like a human being and we'll all welcome you here to our country.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

You told as all in a eariler

post that she hated christians but believed in God. 

 

Who's she?

 

I don't care If you believe in the monkey butt God, all I ever asked was to stop the racist remarks because they have absolutely nothing to do with this subject. Eveytime you and Ridge start that crap It shows me you have nothing to contribute to your cause.

 

There you go questioning my patriotism again. I'm so sick and tired of you and Ridge's BS already. You two are the ones that bring out the bad in me. Keep up the patriotic BS and I'll get uglier in here.

Keep it up...

JOKER

She = your grandma, sorry I don't know her name.

 

I am not teamed up with anyone but I ain't sayin I don't know ridge either, could be kinfolk fer all I know.

I got a lot of family in them ther hills.   

 

RL

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

I think you're confusing me with Mohammed and the Ayatollahs.

Hey! That would be a great name for your band!  LOL

mohammed and the ayatollahs. haw,haw,haw. i guess their groupies would be be called the 72 virgins.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Girls gone wild?  Thumbs Up  Never heard of it! Wink

Naturally Buddy!  Women had equal rights long before that program and you never heard of that either! 

Buddy, you can't keep acting like this.   No, no, no, people in this country are civilized.  You still act like a barbarian.  You uncivilized Nazi freak!

We'll break you in no time though. 

You might act like a human being but you will never be welcome here in our country.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

No, no, no, people in this country are civilized.

You still act like a barbarian.

We'll break you in no time though.

You'll act like a human being and we'll all welcome you here to our country.

Go eff yourself and your self appointed crap.

At least I don't believe in fairytale stories. You're a brainless human who can't think for itself. A grown man believing in goblins and imaginary storybook myths. You need to join the 21st century.

BTW Ridge, the Earth isn't flat in case you weren't alerted.....DUMBASS

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 6, 2011

JOKER

She = your grandma, sorry I don't know her name.

 

I am not teamed up with anyone but I ain't sayin I don't know ridge either, could be kinfolk fer all I know.

I got a lot of family in them ther hills.   

 

RL

Are you out of your mind?

Show me where I said my grandma said she hated Christians. She may not agree with them but she doesn't hate anyone. She must've done something right considering she's 107 years old.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Go eff yourself and your self appointed crap.

At least I don't believe in fairytale stories. You're a brainless human who can't think for itself. A grown man believing in goblins and imaginary storybook myths. You need to join the 21st century.

BTW Ridge, the Earth isn't flat in case you weren't alerted.....DUMBASS

Look how nice I talked to you and look how you talk to me, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Anyone can see you're still a barbarian.

But don't worry, I'll still take you under my wing and show you how to behave in this country.

I'll have you saddle-broke in no time.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Look how nice I talked to you and look how you talk to me, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Anyone can see you're still a barbarian.

But don't worry, I'll still take you under my wing and show you how to behave in this country.

I'll have you saddle-broke in no time.

Sorry, I forgot how nice you talked to me. To answer your question, NO, you can't start my turban the way you start a lawn mower.

I don't own a gasoline powered turban...Green laugh

But I did own a diesel powered turtleneck sweater once..

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Sorry, I forgot how nice you talked to me. To answer your question, NO, you can't start my turban the way you start a lawn mower.

I don't own a gasoline powered turban...Green laugh

But I did own a diesel powered turtleneck sweater once..

Ah, I see... must be a push start.

Is that red dot the starter button?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 6, 2011

Ah, I see... must be a push start.

Is that red dot the starter button?

No, the red dot is used primarily by Indians, not Iranians. The purpose of the red dot is to show you where you are in the store....ROFL

 

You are here !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

No, the red dot is used primarily by Indians, not Iranians. The purpose of the red dot is to show you where you are in the store....ROFL

 

You are here !

LOL

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

No, the red dot is used primarily by Indians, not Iranians. The purpose of the red dot is to show you where you are in the store....ROFL

 

You are here !

you mean the red is a GPS ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 6, 2011

you mean the red is a GPS ?

I hate explaining jokes...lol

No, have you ever seen the maps in the Mall? Wherever you are inside the mall, and have access to the nearest map, you will always see a red dot showing where you are inside the mall.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

I hate explaining jokes...lol

No, have you ever seen the maps in the Mall? Wherever you are inside the mall, and have access to the nearest map, you will always see a red dot showing where you are inside the mall.

ok i'm w/ you on that i also hate explaining jokes. i also hate shopping in these places so thats why i did't get the red dot part.and when i t,,try too tel a..jo..@.....i...Bed

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 6, 2011

ok i'm w/ you on that i also hate explaining jokes. i also hate shopping in these places so thats why i did't get the red dot part.and when i t,,try too tel a..jo..@.....i...Bed

I understand...

I can't afford those malls either. The last time I purchased a shirt was from the Goodwill store. It cost 3 bucks....

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

The red dots are birthmarks that let those born in India know if they are going to come to the U.S. and manage a motel or a convenience store.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 6, 2011

Are you out of your mind?

Show me where I said my grandma said she hated Christians. She may not agree with them but she doesn't hate anyone. She must've done something right considering she's 107 years old.

JOKER

Like you said, I might have lost too many brain cells but best I can remember it was in a very

heated  post which Todd had to lock and delete a few pages.  If memory serves the reply had

something to do with the way christians had treated her in the past.   What I find confusing is

that my God is a monkeys butt but he is the same God that the Jews, Muslims, and Christians

all worship.   All three trace thier lineage to the God of Abraham.  I hate religion because it is

nothing more then a way to put down someone or make themselves look better or more

important.  Kind of like what is going on here,  God knows who his people are and what one

calls him/her self is of little value.  Many call themselves Americans but lack the values that make

America great.  Just like the fake regilous who care nothing about God but use him for there own 

gain.

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 7, 2011

JOKER

Like you said, I might have lost too many brain cells but best I can remember it was in a very

heated  post which Todd had to lock and delete a few pages.  If memory serves the reply had

something to do with the way christians had treated her in the past.   What I find confusing is

that my God is a monkeys butt but he is the same God that the Jews, Muslims, and Christians

all worship.   All three trace thier lineage to the God of Abraham.  I hate religion because it is

nothing more then a way to put down someone or make themselves look better or more

important.  Kind of like what is going on here,  God knows who his people are and what one

calls him/her self is of little value.  Many call themselves Americans but lack the values that make

America great.  Just like the fake regilous who care nothing about God but use him for there own 

gain.

RL

RL, I'd have to agree with a lot of what you wrote, especially this:

"Many call themselves Americans but lack the values that make America great.  Just like the fake religious who care nothing about God but use him for their own gain."

Of course there are many ways to apply those statements, one would be to the TV ministries that collect millions of dollars and put most of it in their own pockets.  Another might be wars made in the name of religion.  Even wars of empty vile words by people that wouldn't know God from a hole in the ground. 

An open minded person, would be able to make a choice and not worry about the religion of other people.   Everyday there are people that we would call "nut jobs," harming other people in the name of religion, isn't that a lot worse than people that are decent, hard working people that have little or no belief in God and harm no one?  There are good and bad from both sides of the spectrum.  That doesn't mean one would have to become an atheist nor a religious zealot to be a good person. 

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 7, 2011

RL, I'd have to agree with a lot of what you wrote, especially this:

"Many call themselves Americans but lack the values that make America great.  Just like the fake religious who care nothing about God but use him for their own gain."

Of course there are many ways to apply those statements, one would be to the TV ministries that collect millions of dollars and put most of it in their own pockets.  Another might be wars made in the name of religion.  Even wars of empty vile words by people that wouldn't know God from a hole in the ground. 

An open minded person, would be able to make a choice and not worry about the religion of other people.   Everyday there are people that we would call "nut jobs," harming other people in the name of religion, isn't that a lot worse than people that are decent, hard working people that have little or no belief in God and harm no one?  There are good and bad from both sides of the spectrum.  That doesn't mean one would have to become an atheist nor a religious zealot to be a good person. 

TC

That is exactly what I mean, I am not saying that one needs to be of faith to be a good citizen, I was

once a non believer and still tried to do my best.   The two are unrelated and each person has the

right to live however they choose.  I see the decline of both america and people of faith as an effect of

not caring about anything  but self. 

I tied the two togeather because they both suffer the same disease, our country is falling through the

cracks because many no longer care about preserving anything.   I liken it to a bunch of people having

a party on a ship at sea.  They used up the supplies and now are using peices of the ship to build bond

fires to dance around.  I love america and it's people no matter where they come from.  I only want them

to show a little respect for what america is or was.  If someone does not want to beleive in God that is fine

but don't call me a dumbass because I do.  I can't prove God exist but no one can prove he does not exist. 

 

Lets say that you want a new car and to get it you work extra shifts take a part time job and then one day

you go pick it up.  You love the car and having it gives you a sense of pride because you earned it.  You wake

up one morning to find it has been stold and taken for a joyride by someone who cares nothing for all your

labor you put into getting it.   You have insurance so the car will be replaced but this still cost us all.  Lets

say that they find the person and put them in jail at a cost of $50.000 per year.  Next our insurance goes up 

and takes even more out of our pocket.  The hard working people are made out to be fools because that thief

even gets full medical which most hard working americans can't afford.   It's no wonder that many choose to do

nothing constructive because what's the point,  however many have the faith to keep doing what is right hoping

that  someday we will get things fixed and life will get better.    If I called you a dumbass and a fool because you

choose to continue to work for a better tomorrow then how would you feel?   

 

A person is either helping or making things worse there is no inbetween,  There are so many like you say that take

avantage and the world would be much better without them.  I heard a TV preacher say that God wants billionaires,

the world has them so why not the church.  This made me sick and then I had to think that I can't judge people of

faith based on what some idiot says.   There is a place in the bible where God's people wanted a king to rule over

them so they could be like the rest of the world.  God told them what would happen but they choose it anyway.  We

of faith are still dealing with that decision today.

 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 7, 2011

JOKER

Like you said, I might have lost too many brain cells but best I can remember it was in a very

heated  post which Todd had to lock and delete a few pages.  If memory serves the reply had

something to do with the way christians had treated her in the past.   What I find confusing is

that my God is a monkeys butt but he is the same God that the Jews, Muslims, and Christians

all worship.   All three trace thier lineage to the God of Abraham.  I hate religion because it is

nothing more then a way to put down someone or make themselves look better or more

important.  Kind of like what is going on here,  God knows who his people are and what one

calls him/her self is of little value.  Many call themselves Americans but lack the values that make

America great.  Just like the fake regilous who care nothing about God but use him for there own 

gain.

RL

Well, you're wrong, I never said my grandma had bad experiences with Christians.

 

 

 God knows who his people are and what one calls him/her self is of little value

Yeah, you know what God's intentions are and who HIS people are. I love when people say..."I know" or "God wants this and wants that", as If they have a direct line.  Pathetic.

 

Just like the fake regilous who care nothing about God but use him for there own

gain.

Fake religions? Let me guess, Christianity is the only REAL one? I can't take anymore of this crap. I'm done arguing with RL over this nonsense. You can believe what you want to believe in RL, but don't come here telling me you know what God wants, what he's thinking, what his plans are and which religion is the correct one. Thousands of other humans with differing beliefs are claiming the same thing you are.  Unfreaking believable !

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 7, 2011

Well, you're wrong, I never said my grandma had bad experiences with Christians.

 

 

 God knows who his people are and what one calls him/her self is of little value

Yeah, you know what God's intentions are and who HIS people are. I love when people say..."I know" or "God wants this and wants that", as If they have a direct line.  Pathetic.

 

Just like the fake regilous who care nothing about God but use him for there own

gain.

Fake religions? Let me guess, Christianity is the only REAL one? I can't take anymore of this crap. I'm done arguing with RL over this nonsense. You can believe what you want to believe in RL, but don't come here telling me you know what God wants, what he's thinking, what his plans are and which religion is the correct one. Thousands of other humans with differing beliefs are claiming the same thing you are.  Unfreaking believable !

joke

I don't know if all or any are correct and I don't have a direct line to his home office and never made

those claims.  I just believe he exist and that's my choice, you are the one that claims to have the

knowledge that he does not.   I study text of others that I might find some common points about

what they believed.  I make up my own mind as to what I choose to believe or dismiss.  I don't

have a religious title or belong to any group.   Common sense tells me most of what I need to know

and I gain more from the motives then the words.  I don't care how many like or hate me.  That's up

to them to decide and it makes me no difference which.   Just don't poke me and expect me to roll

over and play dead.

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 7, 2011

joke

I don't know if all or any are correct and I don't have a direct line to his home office and never made

those claims.  I just believe he exist and that's my choice, you are the one that claims to have the

knowledge that he does not.   I study text of others that I might find some common points about

what they believed.  I make up my own mind as to what I choose to believe or dismiss.  I don't

have a religious title or belong to any group.   Common sense tells me most of what I need to know

and I gain more from the motives then the words.  I don't care how many like or hate me.  That's up

to them to decide and it makes me no difference which.   Just don't poke me and expect me to roll

over and play dead.

RL

Surely you don't use those exact words, but you don't have to. You speak as If you know for a fact.

I don't claim to know what TRUTH is, but I know what it's NOT.

This whole thread was about winning money out of a prayer, and I listed a ton of reasons why If there is a God, that his priority would most likely be to help or prevent 20,000 kids dying every single day, than for some shmuck to win a million or a few thousand bucks. It's not just the kids, there are many other problems in the world that have much higher priorities than winning any money, but some here just KNOW FOR A FACT that it was divine intervention. It boggles my mind.

The world is going to hell, but God stopped everything he was doing to let me win 4 thousand bucks. What a freaking joke.

 

Had you said you just know he exists at the beginning, then I would have no problem with that. Of course, we could have a back and forth on that alone, but I can deal with that. You have every right to believe whatever you want to believe in. If you don't want to join the 21st century and quit dabbling in stone age mentalities that involve outdated rituals and hidden meanings that are only in the minds of delusional people, then go right ahead, be my guest. I have a right to disagree and so do you. But once you started with the patriotism crap, that's when I get upset. You don't know me from a hole in the ground. That's why I called you a dumbass, not because you're a believer in God.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Joker

I know nothing as I should and yes if God exist he could take care of the children but he might

have given the task to us.  The winning ticket could have been just a coincidence and I can accept

both as a posibility but don't know one way or the other.   Even if the story was made up I would

not be suprised and it would have no effect on what I believe.   I might change my belief some day

or upgrade my thinking as new information comes along but as yet I have seen none worth making

a change.  I did not just fall off the turnip wagon and have good reason for what I believe.  I have

read many books about the Ancients, UFO's, Evoultion, conspiraciy theories, devils, demons, gods

as a hobby and all of them use speculation as if it was fact.   I do know that UFO's are real I just 

don't know if they are from outer space.  I and a friend were  close enough to one that I could have

hit it with a rock, and that is a FACT!  Someone once asked me how I could believe in God and UFO's

at the same time.  I told him "well, UFO's Ive seen so that's not to hard however I have never seen

God but I can't write him off just because of that.  Many have never seen a UFO but they still believe

even with all the science saying it is very unlikely.   I guess moving past the dumbass thing is just too

much to ask.  Once one takes a side or stand there will always be those who know we are wrong.

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 7, 2011

Joker

I know nothing as I should and yes if God exist he could take care of the children but he might

have given the task to us.  The winning ticket could have been just a coincidence and I can accept

both as a posibility but don't know one way or the other.   Even if the story was made up I would

not be suprised and it would have no effect on what I believe.   I might change my belief some day

or upgrade my thinking as new information comes along but as yet I have seen none worth making

a change.  I did not just fall off the turnip wagon and have good reason for what I believe.  I have

read many books about the Ancients, UFO's, Evoultion, conspiraciy theories, devils, demons, gods

as a hobby and all of them use speculation as if it was fact.   I do know that UFO's are real I just 

don't know if they are from outer space.  I and a friend were  close enough to one that I could have

hit it with a rock, and that is a FACT!  Someone once asked me how I could believe in God and UFO's

at the same time.  I told him "well, UFO's Ive seen so that's not to hard however I have never seen

God but I can't write him off just because of that.  Many have never seen a UFO but they still believe

even with all the science saying it is very unlikely.   I guess moving past the dumbass thing is just too

much to ask.  Once one takes a side or stand there will always be those who know we are wrong.

RL

You obviously don't understand the 20,000 kids paradox that I tried  explaining earlier. And I refuse to keep writing it over and over. You don't get it, and never will. Oh well, stay uninformed, who cares?

You actually believe that in the 400 billion galaxies, we are the only ones? Only an uneducated person would believe this.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 7, 2011

You obviously don't understand the 20,000 kids paradox that I tried  explaining earlier. And I refuse to keep writing it over and over. You don't get it, and never will. Oh well, stay uninformed, who cares?

You actually believe that in the 400 billion galaxies, we are the only ones? Only an uneducated person would believe this.

JOKER

If you say it it must be true.  maybe some day I will reach your level of enlightenment.  I still

hope you succeed in CA.

RL

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

Just wondering if you'll be going through Roswell and maybe Area 51 on the way to California.

Maybe you'll stop in Vegas and catch a Las Vegas 51s game! (AAA Pacific Coast League)

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 7, 2011

joker17,

Just wondering if you'll be going through Roswell and maybe Area 51 on the way to California.

Maybe you'll stop in Vegas and catch a Las Vegas 51s game! (AAA Pacific Coast League)

if he's in florida that would not be the shortest route,but i've crossed country 4 times, have not even scratched the surface,  and would recommend to anyone who can afford it to take a crooked route and see the middle of our great nation.oh wait maybe that is on the short route,US Flaganyway its always more fun when you do it on wheels.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 7, 2011

joker17,

Just wondering if you'll be going through Roswell and maybe Area 51 on the way to California.

Maybe you'll stop in Vegas and catch a Las Vegas 51s game! (AAA Pacific Coast League)

coin,not a big time baseball fan,but that is a cool tee, can i order it online ?amazon maybe ? ut oh time to walk the dogs.see ya.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 7, 2011

You obviously don't understand the 20,000 kids paradox that I tried  explaining earlier. And I refuse to keep writing it over and over. You don't get it, and never will. Oh well, stay uninformed, who cares?

You actually believe that in the 400 billion galaxies, we are the only ones? Only an uneducated person would believe this.

The first is a moral paradox.  And the second a falsidical paradox.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 7, 2011

coin,not a big time baseball fan,but that is a cool tee, can i order it online ?amazon maybe ? ut oh time to walk the dogs.see ya.

haymaker,

Not sure if amazon would have it.

Just do a search for Las Vegas 51s and then go to the official site, then Team Store.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 7, 2011

haymaker,

Not sure if amazon would have it.

Just do a search for Las Vegas 51s and then go to the official site, then Team Store.

ok i'll try it,wins to ya.thanks.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 7, 2011

Well, you're wrong, I never said my grandma had bad experiences with Christians.

 

 

 God knows who his people are and what one calls him/her self is of little value

Yeah, you know what God's intentions are and who HIS people are. I love when people say..."I know" or "God wants this and wants that", as If they have a direct line.  Pathetic.

 

Just like the fake regilous who care nothing about God but use him for there own

gain.

Fake religions? Let me guess, Christianity is the only REAL one? I can't take anymore of this crap. I'm done arguing with RL over this nonsense. You can believe what you want to believe in RL, but don't come here telling me you know what God wants, what he's thinking, what his plans are and which religion is the correct one. Thousands of other humans with differing beliefs are claiming the same thing you are.  Unfreaking believable !

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One thing is clear...joker doesn't believe there is a God.

Another thing is clear...joker doesn't want to read anything about anyone that does.

I believe that we did not emerge from the sea as some fish or evolve from some amoeba into what we

are today. Is billions of years time enough to make that dramatic change from microscopic blobs to

intelligent beings? Or does the story go that we came down from our branches in the trees, burned our

bananas and left the primate order to form our own human race....uh, exactly what order became

extinct so we could replace it?

As much as joker thinks that believing in God is pathetic, useless, ridiculous, a waste of time, not worth

his time - I think his views are also pathetic, weak, conforming and defiant in a self-serving way.

Don't let him see that because as much time as he wastes in saying he doesn't care what others

believe, he does...with a vengeance.

He's called people azzholes, morons and pathetic for simply mentioning what they believe and yet,

he can make his own case time after time on his views and expect everyone that does not agree to

'wake up', 'join the 21st century' and 'get real'.

joker doesn't need God, he is his own god.

He's got authority issues, is all. That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not expecting a turnaround

from him, he is free to believe what he wants and if that is that we came from outer space, evolved

from tiny organisms, lost our tails, crawled out of the sea, just popped into existence one day...then

fine. He is not me and I know what I believe in. I don't have to explain to anyone WHY there is God.

I don't need to involve myself in proving where He is or come up with a reason why bad things happen.

That would be just another thing for a person like him to attack. Those types like to take opportunities

like that to berate, belittle others and empower themselves.

However anyone arrives at a point in their life where they achieve faith, that is between them and

God.

The atheist turned believer found faith that day..good for him.

I think the first comment joker had when he came across this story back in May was:

Coincidence! Period!

Since that day, he's jumped down anyone's throat who dared to say it was akin to divine intervention

and made possible a thread that keeps on giving...27 pages worth.

joker, it's 'unfreaking' unbelievable that you get on someones back for believing in one post, then in

another say you don't care what they believe.

Maybe you could be more at peace with your own views and not be so threatened by others if you

just let it go like you've said many times before. Why do you constantly come back to tell someone

they are wrong? Don't look for a crack to squeeze through by claiming you are only searching for

some kind of answer - how classic of someone who doesn't take a solid stand because of the fear of

being wrong themselves.

joker on the day that it's proven without a doubt there either is a God:

"All I ever asked for was proof, I knew I was right"

or there isn't:

"All I ever asked for was proof, I knew I was right"

You need to lose yourself in some happy harem days where you can drink your heinie's and kick back

on a private yacht and lose yourself in your illusions and forget about the rest of the world that is busy

with wasted faith in something they can't see. You can just float off into the sunset and keep telling

yourself that life is good and you knew you were right, you could probably pay everyone to recite the

phrases with you...just don't count on them to be there with you when the ship sinks, they'll probably

be talking to God then, not you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 8, 2011

Thread started: May 29, 2011

Total replies: 1326

Page count according to my settings: 27

One thing is clear...joker doesn't believe there is a God.

Another thing is clear...joker doesn't want to read anything about anyone that does.

I believe that we did not emerge from the sea as some fish or evolve from some amoeba into what we

are today. Is billions of years time enough to make that dramatic change from microscopic blobs to

intelligent beings? Or does the story go that we came down from our branches in the trees, burned our

bananas and left the primate order to form our own human race....uh, exactly what order became

extinct so we could replace it?

As much as joker thinks that believing in God is pathetic, useless, ridiculous, a waste of time, not worth

his time - I think his views are also pathetic, weak, conforming and defiant in a self-serving way.

Don't let him see that because as much time as he wastes in saying he doesn't care what others

believe, he does...with a vengeance.

He's called people azzholes, morons and pathetic for simply mentioning what they believe and yet,

he can make his own case time after time on his views and expect everyone that does not agree to

'wake up', 'join the 21st century' and 'get real'.

joker doesn't need God, he is his own god.

He's got authority issues, is all. That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not expecting a turnaround

from him, he is free to believe what he wants and if that is that we came from outer space, evolved

from tiny organisms, lost our tails, crawled out of the sea, just popped into existence one day...then

fine. He is not me and I know what I believe in. I don't have to explain to anyone WHY there is God.

I don't need to involve myself in proving where He is or come up with a reason why bad things happen.

That would be just another thing for a person like him to attack. Those types like to take opportunities

like that to berate, belittle others and empower themselves.

However anyone arrives at a point in their life where they achieve faith, that is between them and

God.

The atheist turned believer found faith that day..good for him.

I think the first comment joker had when he came across this story back in May was:

Coincidence! Period!

Since that day, he's jumped down anyone's throat who dared to say it was akin to divine intervention

and made possible a thread that keeps on giving...27 pages worth.

joker, it's 'unfreaking' unbelievable that you get on someones back for believing in one post, then in

another say you don't care what they believe.

Maybe you could be more at peace with your own views and not be so threatened by others if you

just let it go like you've said many times before. Why do you constantly come back to tell someone

they are wrong? Don't look for a crack to squeeze through by claiming you are only searching for

some kind of answer - how classic of someone who doesn't take a solid stand because of the fear of

being wrong themselves.

joker on the day that it's proven without a doubt there either is a God:

"All I ever asked for was proof, I knew I was right"

or there isn't:

"All I ever asked for was proof, I knew I was right"

You need to lose yourself in some happy harem days where you can drink your heinie's and kick back

on a private yacht and lose yourself in your illusions and forget about the rest of the world that is busy

with wasted faith in something they can't see. You can just float off into the sunset and keep telling

yourself that life is good and you knew you were right, you could probably pay everyone to recite the

phrases with you...just don't count on them to be there with you when the ship sinks, they'll probably

be talking to God then, not you.

Well said, dr.

 

"However anyone arrives at a point in their life where they achieve faith, that is between them and God."

 

Unfortunately, joker thinks it should be between them, God and joker.

He has appointed himself The Arbiter of Truth and Enforcer of Proper Religious Beliefs.

No one is allowed to mention anything to do with religious beliefs in conversation without his critique, condemnation and ridicule.

PERIOD! 

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

joker 17, look for a story called " are you an eagle or a duck"it's about a cab driver,but it could be about any job or business model.you will need this when you get to cali. no matter the skill level, the competition there is fierce. nother thing, arguing  w/ people there who have different views won't get you anywhere.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 8, 2011

Thread started: May 29, 2011

Total replies: 1326

Page count according to my settings: 27

One thing is clear...joker doesn't believe there is a God.

Another thing is clear...joker doesn't want to read anything about anyone that does.

I believe that we did not emerge from the sea as some fish or evolve from some amoeba into what we

are today. Is billions of years time enough to make that dramatic change from microscopic blobs to

intelligent beings? Or does the story go that we came down from our branches in the trees, burned our

bananas and left the primate order to form our own human race....uh, exactly what order became

extinct so we could replace it?

As much as joker thinks that believing in God is pathetic, useless, ridiculous, a waste of time, not worth

his time - I think his views are also pathetic, weak, conforming and defiant in a self-serving way.

Don't let him see that because as much time as he wastes in saying he doesn't care what others

believe, he does...with a vengeance.

He's called people azzholes, morons and pathetic for simply mentioning what they believe and yet,

he can make his own case time after time on his views and expect everyone that does not agree to

'wake up', 'join the 21st century' and 'get real'.

joker doesn't need God, he is his own god.

He's got authority issues, is all. That's perfectly acceptable to me. I'm not expecting a turnaround

from him, he is free to believe what he wants and if that is that we came from outer space, evolved

from tiny organisms, lost our tails, crawled out of the sea, just popped into existence one day...then

fine. He is not me and I know what I believe in. I don't have to explain to anyone WHY there is God.

I don't need to involve myself in proving where He is or come up with a reason why bad things happen.

That would be just another thing for a person like him to attack. Those types like to take opportunities

like that to berate, belittle others and empower themselves.

However anyone arrives at a point in their life where they achieve faith, that is between them and

God.

The atheist turned believer found faith that day..good for him.

I think the first comment joker had when he came across this story back in May was:

Coincidence! Period!

Since that day, he's jumped down anyone's throat who dared to say it was akin to divine intervention

and made possible a thread that keeps on giving...27 pages worth.

joker, it's 'unfreaking' unbelievable that you get on someones back for believing in one post, then in

another say you don't care what they believe.

Maybe you could be more at peace with your own views and not be so threatened by others if you

just let it go like you've said many times before. Why do you constantly come back to tell someone

they are wrong? Don't look for a crack to squeeze through by claiming you are only searching for

some kind of answer - how classic of someone who doesn't take a solid stand because of the fear of

being wrong themselves.

joker on the day that it's proven without a doubt there either is a God:

"All I ever asked for was proof, I knew I was right"

or there isn't:

"All I ever asked for was proof, I knew I was right"

You need to lose yourself in some happy harem days where you can drink your heinie's and kick back

on a private yacht and lose yourself in your illusions and forget about the rest of the world that is busy

with wasted faith in something they can't see. You can just float off into the sunset and keep telling

yourself that life is good and you knew you were right, you could probably pay everyone to recite the

phrases with you...just don't count on them to be there with you when the ship sinks, they'll probably

be talking to God then, not you.

Please explain the mud skipper then.....

It's a fish which uses it's fins to walk on land. If that's not Evolution, then I don't know what is. Explain Darwin's Mocking birds on the Galapagos Islands. The same species of bird has different beaks on different Islands. Individual birds have different beaks adapted to the hunting styles on different Islands. 

 

Look, I don't proclaim to know the truth, that's why I'm an Agnostic. You obviously haven't read everything I've written or you'd know this already. But what I do know is that what most claim as truth is debatable.

As far as the name calling, I only do this when either someone calls me names, makes racist remarks, or indirectly with inuendos gets sarcastic enough which warrants a harsh reply. Please don't fabricate stuff to make a point. Either back it up, or shut up.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 8, 2011

Well said, dr.

 

"However anyone arrives at a point in their life where they achieve faith, that is between them and God."

 

Unfortunately, joker thinks it should be between them, God and joker.

He has appointed himself The Arbiter of Truth and Enforcer of Proper Religious Beliefs.

No one is allowed to mention anything to do with religious beliefs in conversation without his critique, condemnation and ridicule.

PERIOD! 

Look who's talking. I write..."Pure coincidence", and you want to stop me of what you label as a "An attack on Christianity". You can label all you want, but that don't make it true.

If you can't handle a simple reply just because I ask questions or make statements, that shows me you are not confident about your beliefs.

In a perfect world, I imagine you want everyone to nod their heads in agreement about your religious views, but in the real world there are people like me who won't fall for your tactics, and that's why you're so pissed off.

Well guess what?....You better get used to it. I ain't going away anytime soon. I'll call the BS fairytales crap out everytime. Unless you got some proof, it's just fairytales amongst a sea of other fairytales.

Santa is coming in December, so you better be good....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 8, 2011

joker 17, look for a story called " are you an eagle or a duck"it's about a cab driver,but it could be about any job or business model.you will need this when you get to cali. no matter the skill level, the competition there is fierce. nother thing, arguing  w/ people there who have different views won't get you anywhere.

nother thing, arguing  w/ people there who have different views won't get you anywhere.

 

You're absolutely correct. Arguing with someone who believes in fairytales as it's spoon fed to them, is like a Geologist arguing with a flat Earth believer, it simply won't work. People don't want to think for themselves. They want others to have all the good and nice answers. It makes them feel better about their lives and where they may possibly end up.

It's just like LP. Most people in the LotterySystem Forum don't want to do workouts. They want a simple and easy 10 second formula that sums everything up in a tighty neat package and produces results, Like magic. Well, life don't work that way and neither does the easy way out in lottery.

Once someone has been indoctrinated into ONE path that they believe is the ONLY CORRECT PATH, then it's pretty much too late to make them understand how delusional they have become. It gets to the point where I look like an evil intruder into their little cozy comfort zone.

Such a shame...!

jimmy4164

There's a guy here...

...who really needs pictures to understand things but he CLAIMS he can't view videos.  What a shame.  There's a movie trailer available at the link below that just might help him learn how he could have a common ancestor with this guy...

Surely he can view the page describing the movie, and perhaps someone in his inner circle might be willing to fill him in on what they discover when they watch it...

http://www.project-nim.com/

--Jimmy4164

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 9, 2011

nother thing, arguing  w/ people there who have different views won't get you anywhere.

 

You're absolutely correct. Arguing with someone who believes in fairytales as it's spoon fed to them, is like a Geologist arguing with a flat Earth believer, it simply won't work. People don't want to think for themselves. They want others to have all the good and nice answers. It makes them feel better about their lives and where they may possibly end up.

It's just like LP. Most people in the LotterySystem Forum don't want to do workouts. They want a simple and easy 10 second formula that sums everything up in a tighty neat package and produces results, Like magic. Well, life don't work that way and neither does the easy way out in lottery.

Once someone has been indoctrinated into ONE path that they believe is the ONLY CORRECT PATH, then it's pretty much too late to make them understand how delusional they have become. It gets to the point where I look like an evil intruder into their little cozy comfort zone.

Such a shame...!

Paging Houdini: I'm one of those; I want a simple & easy 10 second formula, otherwise my brain gets scrambled!! Crazy 

Until I hear back, I will continue to use my QP formula.

Oh yeah, and my personal-pick-run-numbers.

Please hurry, I need to win NOW!!

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

joke

Funny thing about the mudskipper is that it ihas been reported to have been around for about 

400 million years and has shown no major changes in all that time.  The earth is around 4 1/2 billion

years old so using the data from these two how long do we need to wait for evolution to finish the 

product.  Maybe evolution died, got tired or just gave up on this one. 

Ranchers breed stock with other stock to bring out certain traits,  If a few mutations / deformities took

place when certain birds mated which gave them some avantage for feeding in one area opossed to

another and a single pair with these traits mated then, well I don't think that is reason enough to

throw God away just yet.   I hope this is not all you have, it's funny what some people will believe.

RL

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 9, 2011

Paging Houdini: I'm one of those; I want a simple & easy 10 second formula, otherwise my brain gets scrambled!! Crazy 

Until I hear back, I will continue to use my QP formula.

Oh yeah, and my personal-pick-run-numbers.

Please hurry, I need to win NOW!!

What?  You don't have the Fast & EZ Lottery Picker?  I guess since you are a newbie, you got here JUST after it was no longer available.   Almost everyone here has one.  Gets at least 1 winner a day, takes no effort and everyone is making a ton of money!  Click-click and BAM! you nail the lotteries dead in their tracks.

Sorry, you didn't join just ONE DAY earlier.  ROFL

truecritic's avatartruecritic

July 8, 2011

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally

by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Three in 10 Americans interpret the Bible literally, saying it is the actual word of God. That is similar to what Gallup has measured over the last two decades, but down from the 1970s and 1980s. A 49% plurality of Americans say the Bible is the inspired word of God but that it should not be taken literally, consistently the most common view in Gallup's nearly 40-year history of this question. Another 17% consider the Bible an ancient book of stories recorded by man.

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148427/Say-Bible-Literally.aspx 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 9, 2011

There's a guy here...

...who really needs pictures to understand things but he CLAIMS he can't view videos.  What a shame.  There's a movie trailer available at the link below that just might help him learn how he could have a common ancestor with this guy...

Surely he can view the page describing the movie, and perhaps someone in his inner circle might be willing to fill him in on what they discover when they watch it...

http://www.project-nim.com/

--Jimmy4164

Yes, and of course we can always have complete faith in the scientific community, Nancy.

They would never lie to promote their agenda.

 

The Piltdown Man was a hoax in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. These fragments consisted of parts of a skull and jawbone, said to have been collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, East Sussex, England. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man", after the collector Charles Dawson) was given to the specimen. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan that had been deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.

The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous archeological hoax ever. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

 

Needless to say, we should always believe everything they say.

Now, Nancy, you can feel free to change your avatar back to female and hide for a few days as usual.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 9, 2011

July 8, 2011

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally

by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Three in 10 Americans interpret the Bible literally, saying it is the actual word of God. That is similar to what Gallup has measured over the last two decades, but down from the 1970s and 1980s. A 49% plurality of Americans say the Bible is the inspired word of God but that it should not be taken literally, consistently the most common view in Gallup's nearly 40-year history of this question. Another 17% consider the Bible an ancient book of stories recorded by man.

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148427/Say-Bible-Literally.aspx 

3 in 10, I'm surprised the numbers are that high considering the brainwashing kids get nowadays by the America-hating, Christian-hating, lib teachers we have. 

Teachers are like the ACLU nowadays - Think of the goofiest, most ridiculous thing you can think of and they'll be all for it and want to teach it to our kids. And if it goes against morality or religion or American values, they will make sure to teach it to our kids.

There are school boards around the country putting new curriculum in place to teach new subjects on Global Warming and Gay History. Tell me that isn't meant to be a breeding ground for new little democrats. And this while our students lag far behind the civilized world in important subjects like science and math. 

Libs - You can't live with em and you can't shoot em.

Funny though, how you keep bringing up all this religious stuff, princess, then claim to be an outsider and try to act like a mediator. In reality, you're the one who started everything back in the locked thread when you demanded that the name of Jesus and God be banned from use in the forums.

You're a real dork.

And a phony.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 9, 2011

3 in 10, I'm surprised the numbers are that high considering the brainwashing kids get nowadays by the America-hating, Christian-hating, lib teachers we have. 

Teachers are like the ACLU nowadays - Think of the goofiest, most ridiculous thing you can think of and they'll be all for it and want to teach it to our kids. And if it goes against morality or religion or American values, they will make sure to teach it to our kids.

There are school boards around the country putting new curriculum in place to teach new subjects on Global Warming and Gay History. Tell me that isn't meant to be a breeding ground for new little democrats. And this while our students lag far behind the civilized world in important subjects like science and math. 

Libs - You can't live with em and you can't shoot em.

Funny though, how you keep bringing up all this religious stuff, princess, then claim to be an outsider and try to act like a mediator. In reality, you're the one who started everything back in the locked thread when you demanded that the name of Jesus and God be banned from use in the forums.

You're a real dork.

And a phony.

"Funny though, how you keep bringing up all this religious stuff, princess, then claim to be an outsider and try to act like a mediator."

Doesn't make any sense?  What does any of that have to do with anything?   Does this article upset you for some reason?  The Gallup Poll is a respected poll and I came across that article.   It was interesting, so I posted it.   It seems to have sucked you in!

Geez you're a real a stupid piece of work.  NO ONE IS INSULTING ANYONE AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE. 

"And this while our students lag far behind the civilized world in important subjects like science and math." 

Excuse me?  I just read an entire post by you about how much you hate science and don't believe a word you read because someone pulled a hoax!   Now you're bi-tchin' because students lag far behind the world! 

You're totally confused (or drunk).  You don't like schools, teachers, science, articles, the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson, ACLU, Queers (you really hate them and it shows), Republicans, Democrats, you hate ANY country including the U.S.A.!  You're a liar, can't get your facts straight and can't prove anything you say!  You are against women having equal rights.   You are a treasonous coward!  You're pulling stuff out of your azz. 

Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!   Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 9, 2011

"Funny though, how you keep bringing up all this religious stuff, princess, then claim to be an outsider and try to act like a mediator."

Doesn't make any sense?  What does any of that have to do with anything?   Does this article upset you for some reason?  The Gallup Poll is a respected poll and I came across that article.   It was interesting, so I posted it.   It seems to have sucked you in!

Geez you're a real a stupid piece of work.  NO ONE IS INSULTING ANYONE AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE. 

"And this while our students lag far behind the civilized world in important subjects like science and math." 

Excuse me?  I just read an entire post by you about how much you hate science and don't believe a word you read because someone pulled a hoax!   Now you're bi-tchin' because students lag far behind the world! 

You're totally confused (or drunk).  You don't like schools, teachers, science, articles, the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson, ACLU, Queers (you really hate them and it shows), Republicans, Democrats, you hate ANY country including the U.S.A.!  You're a liar, can't get your facts straight and can't prove anything you say!  You are against women having equal rights.   You are a treasonous coward!  You're pulling stuff out of your azz. 

Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!   Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

There you go with the Q word again, fruitcup.

Yep, I'm convinced. It's self-loathing.

Did the normal kids used to lock you in your locker a lot in school?

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 9, 2011

There you go with the Q word again, fruitcup.

Yep, I'm convinced. It's self-loathing.

Did the normal kids used to lock you in your locker a lot in school?

You just go on bringing up Queers, don't you?  I can tell you have spent time with some guys that really liked you.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 9, 2011

You just go on bringing up Queers, don't you?  I can tell you have spent time with some guys that really liked you.

You're coming unhinged again, Twinkie.

Go to your Happy Place. (Yes, the Men's room at the Greyhound Station if you think that'll calm you down)

I'm really getting concerned about you, Fruitcake.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 9, 2011

joke

Funny thing about the mudskipper is that it ihas been reported to have been around for about 

400 million years and has shown no major changes in all that time.  The earth is around 4 1/2 billion

years old so using the data from these two how long do we need to wait for evolution to finish the 

product.  Maybe evolution died, got tired or just gave up on this one. 

Ranchers breed stock with other stock to bring out certain traits,  If a few mutations / deformities took

place when certain birds mated which gave them some avantage for feeding in one area opossed to

another and a single pair with these traits mated then, well I don't think that is reason enough to

throw God away just yet.   I hope this is not all you have, it's funny what some people will believe.

RL

You are an amazing person. You Christians are absolutely nothing but geniuses.

Did your tiny brain ever consider why fish walk on land in the first place?  You scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with these rediculous replies. Better not write anything at all.

The very fact that they came out of the water in the first place should tell you evolution was taking place, whether it was 400 million years or 12 trillion years....DUH!!!!

There are no RANCHERS on the Islands of the Galapagos. You need to do your homework before making a fool out of yourself.

And NO, that's not all I have. I'm throwing out just an iota of the total paradoxes just to see how you handle them, and by what I've seen so far, If you can't even begin to intelligently touch these, you won't have a chance in hell with the remaining 99% of the inconsistencies.

 

BOY oh boy, you have the nerve of telling me what some people will believe in? Are you freaking nuts? At least I don't believe in imaginary angels, Gods, and demons just because they were written in a fantasy book. You have to be out of your mind to even ask such a ludicrous question . It's the 21st century, wake up and stop relying on signs and wonders to answer your questions. We no longer need them anymore for CRYING OUT LOUD!

Unfreaking believable folks.

You are in La La land, and need to wake up from your brainwashed stupor.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 9, 2011

Yes, and of course we can always have complete faith in the scientific community, Nancy.

They would never lie to promote their agenda.

 

The Piltdown Man was a hoax in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. These fragments consisted of parts of a skull and jawbone, said to have been collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, East Sussex, England. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man", after the collector Charles Dawson) was given to the specimen. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan that had been deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.

The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous archeological hoax ever. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

 

Needless to say, we should always believe everything they say.

Now, Nancy, you can feel free to change your avatar back to female and hide for a few days as usual.

Wow, you've really reached the bottom. So, basically, one hoax means the rest of the 99% of scientific evaluation of life is also a hoax? Yeah, I see what you're doing here. I guess you got me Ridge. You've just proven the scientific communtiy is one big scam. I'm converting tomorrow. What a retarded dumbass you are.

Lets' not bring all the garbage the religions throw out and brainwash the kids with that's totally unproven and simply heresay with nothing to back them up. That doesn't bother you......BUT GOD FORBID, one little bad apple is exposed, the rest of the tree MUST be rotten.

You believe in the most outrageous stories wriiten by old fools who didn't have a clue thousands of years ago. You believ in talking monkeys and snakes. You believe the Earth was created in thousands of years. Plus a hundred other unfounded rediculous made up fantasies. And on top of all of this BS, you believe your version is the correct one above all of the other tens of thousands of religions who spew the same garbage. YUP, that makes total sense to me Ridge. You are a genius...WOW!

It's scary that adults still believe in these old wives tales. But what's even more scary is that because of the pain of finding out the truth, they're willing to look like robotic idiots in the process. Brainless zombies taking every word literally no matter how idiotic it sounds.

It's actually a good thing for people reading this thread because they can see how and why I came to be an agnostic. I've dealt with many more just like Ridge who confirmed everything I learned when I woke up. These people showed me how the brain can become overwhelmed and unreasonable. After years of indoctrination, the person's brain is unable to process cognitive problem solving.

38,000 religions, but I'm right and the rest are wrong....why?....I don't know cause I'm an idiot. I simply picked the one that was most popular and had the best storyline. Pathetic !

joker17

Ridge, RL and others may want to expand their brain size, but I highly doubt they will. There are entire college courses on evolution.  Take one and we'll talk again.  If you don't believe evolution happened after studying it at the collegiate level it's because you don't want to believe it in spite of the evidence.  It's more comfortable for you to believe in creationism.  It makes you feel special, warm and fuzzy inside.  That however, doesn't make it true.

 

Hers' some info: This person explains it better than I could.

First, as many people willl point out ... you don't PROVE things in science.  You only find supporting *evidence*.  This is true in evolution, in other realms of biology, in chemistry, in physics, etc.

This is a *partial* list of evidence of evolution (sorry this is long, but there's a *lot* of evidence ... and you did ask for "as much as I can"):

1. Evolution reproduced in the lab or documented in nature:

a. Two strains of fruit flies lost the ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring in the lab over a 4-year span ... i.e. they became two new species. (Easily repeated experiment.)

b. A new plant species (a type of firewood), created by a doubling of the chromosome count from the original stock (Mosquin, 1967).

c. Multiple species of the house mouse unique to the Faeroe Islands occurred within 250 years of introduction of a foundation species on the island.

d. Formation of 5 new species of cichlid fishes that have formed in a single lake within 4,000 years of introduction of a parent species.

2. Fossil evidence - (So much to list).  The way fossils appear in the layers of rock always corresponds to relative development ... more primitive creatures in lower (older) layers.  Absolute dating of fossils using radiometry.  Constant discovery of new transitional forms. E.g. reptile-birds, reptile-mammals, legged whales, legged sea cows.

3. Genetic evidence - E.g. the fact that humans have a huge number of genes (as much as 96%) in common with other great apes ... and (as much as 50%) with wheat plants. The pattern of genetic evidence follows the tell-tale patterns of ancestral relationships (more genes in common between recently related species, and fading the further back in time).

4. Molecular evidence - These are commonalities in DNA ... which is separate from genetic commonalities ... much of our DNA does not code for genes at all. But random mutations (basically 'typos') enter into DNA at a known rate over the centuries. This is called the 'molecular clock' and again gives excellent evidence of when humans diverged from other apes (about 6 million years ago, according to this molecular clock), and this corresponds perfectly with when these fossils first appear in the fossil record (using radiometric dating).

5. Evidence from proteins - Proteins - E.g., things like blood proteins (the things that give us our A, B, O blood typing and the Rh factor (the plus/minus thing) which incidentally stands for 'rhesus monkey'); the exact structure of the insulin molecule; and my favorite, the proteins responsible for color vision. The specific proteins found in human color vision are exactly the same as those found in Old World primates (the great apes and the monkeys found in Africa and Asia). These proteins are absent in New World primates (the Central and South American monkeys), and from all other mammals. In fact among the New World primates, only the howler monkey has color vision ... but these use slightly *different* proteins, coded on different locations and chromosomes, than humans and the OW primates. This is yet more evidence of a closer link between humans and the OW primates.

6. Vestigial and atavistic organs - E.g. Leg and pelvic bones in whales, dolphins, and some snakes; unused eyes in blind cave fish, unused wings in flightless birds and insects; flowers in non-fertilizing plants (like dandelions); in humans, wisdom teeth, tailbones, appendix, the plantaris muscle in the calf (useless in humans, used for grasping with the feet in primates).

7. Embryology - E.g. Legs on dolphin embryos; tails and gill folds on human embryos; snake embryos with legs; marsupial eggshell and carnuncle.

8. Biogeography - The current and past distribution of species on the planet. E.g. almost all marsupials and almost no placental mammals are native to Australia ... the result of speciation in a geographically isolated area.

9. Homology - E.g. the same bones in the same relative positions in primate hands, bat wings, bird wings, mammals, whale and penguin flippers, pterosaur wings, horse legs, the forelimbs of moles, and webbed amphibian legs.

10. Bacteriology, virology, immunology, pest-control - I.e. the way that bacteria  evolve in response to antibiotics (we can compare strains of tuberculosis today, with samples of older epidemics and can see the specific structures), or viruses (like HIV) respond to antivirals, or insects evolving in response to pesticides.

... And there's more ... a LOT more. I'm stopping only because I'm getting tired of typing, and I don't know if you're actually going to read this. (I and others have compiled lists in response to this question *so* many times ... only to get absolutely no reponse or comment whatsoever from the asker.)

Source(s):

This is an excellent site I discovered recently (UC Berkeley):
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/ev…

And here is the wikipedia site, just on *evidence* of evolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of…
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 9, 2011

Ridge, RL and others may want to expand their brain size, but I highly doubt they will. There are entire college courses on evolution.  Take one and we'll talk again.  If you don't believe evolution happened after studying it at the collegiate level it's because you don't want to believe it in spite of the evidence.  It's more comfortable for you to believe in creationism.  It makes you feel special, warm and fuzzy inside.  That however, doesn't make it true.

 

Hers' some info: This person explains it better than I could.

First, as many people willl point out ... you don't PROVE things in science.  You only find supporting *evidence*.  This is true in evolution, in other realms of biology, in chemistry, in physics, etc.

This is a *partial* list of evidence of evolution (sorry this is long, but there's a *lot* of evidence ... and you did ask for "as much as I can"):

1. Evolution reproduced in the lab or documented in nature:

a. Two strains of fruit flies lost the ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring in the lab over a 4-year span ... i.e. they became two new species. (Easily repeated experiment.)

b. A new plant species (a type of firewood), created by a doubling of the chromosome count from the original stock (Mosquin, 1967).

c. Multiple species of the house mouse unique to the Faeroe Islands occurred within 250 years of introduction of a foundation species on the island.

d. Formation of 5 new species of cichlid fishes that have formed in a single lake within 4,000 years of introduction of a parent species.

2. Fossil evidence - (So much to list).  The way fossils appear in the layers of rock always corresponds to relative development ... more primitive creatures in lower (older) layers.  Absolute dating of fossils using radiometry.  Constant discovery of new transitional forms. E.g. reptile-birds, reptile-mammals, legged whales, legged sea cows.

3. Genetic evidence - E.g. the fact that humans have a huge number of genes (as much as 96%) in common with other great apes ... and (as much as 50%) with wheat plants. The pattern of genetic evidence follows the tell-tale patterns of ancestral relationships (more genes in common between recently related species, and fading the further back in time).

4. Molecular evidence - These are commonalities in DNA ... which is separate from genetic commonalities ... much of our DNA does not code for genes at all. But random mutations (basically 'typos') enter into DNA at a known rate over the centuries. This is called the 'molecular clock' and again gives excellent evidence of when humans diverged from other apes (about 6 million years ago, according to this molecular clock), and this corresponds perfectly with when these fossils first appear in the fossil record (using radiometric dating).

5. Evidence from proteins - Proteins - E.g., things like blood proteins (the things that give us our A, B, O blood typing and the Rh factor (the plus/minus thing) which incidentally stands for 'rhesus monkey'); the exact structure of the insulin molecule; and my favorite, the proteins responsible for color vision. The specific proteins found in human color vision are exactly the same as those found in Old World primates (the great apes and the monkeys found in Africa and Asia). These proteins are absent in New World primates (the Central and South American monkeys), and from all other mammals. In fact among the New World primates, only the howler monkey has color vision ... but these use slightly *different* proteins, coded on different locations and chromosomes, than humans and the OW primates. This is yet more evidence of a closer link between humans and the OW primates.

6. Vestigial and atavistic organs - E.g. Leg and pelvic bones in whales, dolphins, and some snakes; unused eyes in blind cave fish, unused wings in flightless birds and insects; flowers in non-fertilizing plants (like dandelions); in humans, wisdom teeth, tailbones, appendix, the plantaris muscle in the calf (useless in humans, used for grasping with the feet in primates).

7. Embryology - E.g. Legs on dolphin embryos; tails and gill folds on human embryos; snake embryos with legs; marsupial eggshell and carnuncle.

8. Biogeography - The current and past distribution of species on the planet. E.g. almost all marsupials and almost no placental mammals are native to Australia ... the result of speciation in a geographically isolated area.

9. Homology - E.g. the same bones in the same relative positions in primate hands, bat wings, bird wings, mammals, whale and penguin flippers, pterosaur wings, horse legs, the forelimbs of moles, and webbed amphibian legs.

10. Bacteriology, virology, immunology, pest-control - I.e. the way that bacteria  evolve in response to antibiotics (we can compare strains of tuberculosis today, with samples of older epidemics and can see the specific structures), or viruses (like HIV) respond to antivirals, or insects evolving in response to pesticides.

... And there's more ... a LOT more. I'm stopping only because I'm getting tired of typing, and I don't know if you're actually going to read this. (I and others have compiled lists in response to this question *so* many times ... only to get absolutely no reponse or comment whatsoever from the asker.)

Source(s):

This is an excellent site I discovered recently (UC Berkeley):
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/ev…

And here is the wikipedia site, just on *evidence* of evolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of…

Ah, Berkeley and Wikipedia.

Yes, stellar sources.

Berkeley, the most liberal, agenda driven place in the world and Wikipedia, where anybody can post any crazy thing they want to and people like you will swear it's fact. LOL!

Why don't you include that ultra-liberal husband and wife team too - Snopes?

You are a joke.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 9, 2011

There's a guy here...

...who really needs pictures to understand things but he CLAIMS he can't view videos.  What a shame.  There's a movie trailer available at the link below that just might help him learn how he could have a common ancestor with this guy...

Surely he can view the page describing the movie, and perhaps someone in his inner circle might be willing to fill him in on what they discover when they watch it...

http://www.project-nim.com/

--Jimmy4164

Loved the trailer...thanx.

I guess it's just all coincidence. Crazy

 

 

joker17

Years ago Sir Fred Hoyle, an English Astronomer and mathematician wrote that for life to happen by accident given enough time, could be compared to a tornado in a junkyard, by chance alone, building a fully funtional 747. What he fails to realize is that the forming of life from amino acids to actual living animals is a liquid one, not a mechanical type. Hoyle is correct about the plane in the junkyard, only If it stopped there. Life began in a liquid soup that took  an unimaginable amount of time to start and progress. That soup allowed melding and splicing of molecules which ordinarily wouldn't be thought as practical in a dry mechanical arena. Trying to compare soft impressionable things like peptides, molecules, atoms, and all the other soft interactions of materials with hard mechanical parts to assemble is simply a very bad analogy.

The liquidity of life is an integral part in understanding how flexible the formations of new adaptions to the host is. It's much more likely for substances to merge in fluids and cause chemical changes than it is for parts of a plane. It's basic common sense.

Most of the solutions to complex problems end up, of course after hindsight, to be basic common sense that was either overlooked, or not learned yet. Believe it or not, common sense is always evolving. It's only as good as the updated mind.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 9, 2011

Ah, Berkeley and Wikipedia.

Yes, stellar sources.

Berkeley, the most liberal, agenda driven place in the world and Wikipedia, where anybody can post any crazy thing they want to and people like you will swear it's fact. LOL!

Why don't you include that ultra-liberal husband and wife team too - Snopes?

You are a joke.

I'm a joke?

And let's see where your sources stemmed.......

A book written thousands of years ago by ignorant old men who didn't have a flying clue.

 

You're right Ridge, I'm the Joke......Crazy

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 9, 2011

Years ago Sir Fred Hoyle, an English Astronomer and mathematician wrote that for life to happen by accident given enough time, could be compared to a tornado in a junkyard, by chance alone, building a fully funtional 747. What he fails to realize is that the forming of life from amino acids to actual living animals is a liquid one, not a mechanical type. Hoyle is correct about the plane in the junkyard, only If it stopped there. Life began in a liquid soup that took  an unimaginable amount of time to start and progress. That soup allowed melding and splicing of molecules which ordinarily wouldn't be thought as practical in a dry mechanical arena. Trying to compare soft impressionable things like peptides, molecules, atoms, and all the other soft interactions of materials with hard mechanical parts to assemble is simply a very bad analogy.

The liquidity of life is an integral part in understanding how flexible the formations of new adaptions to the host is. It's much more likely for substances to merge in fluids and cause chemical changes than it is for parts of a plane. It's basic common sense.

Most of the solutions to complex problems end up, of course after hindsight, to be basic common sense that was either overlooked, or not learned yet. Believe it or not, common sense is always evolving. It's only as good as the updated mind.

You can come up with any hare-brained idea imaginable and chances are there's already some wackjob that has a website devoted to it.

There is nothing new under the Sun.

Not even Spacemonkeys.

BTW, have you seen Bigfoot lately?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 9, 2011

You can come up with any hare-brained idea imaginable and chances are there's already some wackjob that has a website devoted to it.

There is nothing new under the Sun.

Not even Spacemonkeys.

BTW, have you seen Bigfoot lately?

Your reply above proves to me you are ignorant of the Information on Hoyle. Hoyle was on your side dummy.

DUH!!!!

Obviously you didn't do your homework...tsk tsk...what a shame. Below is an excerpt of a short summary of his beliefs.

Hoyle, an atheist until that time, said that this suggestion of a guiding hand left him "greatly shaken." Consequently, he began to believe in a guiding force in the universe, which led him to a belief in panspermia.[4] Those who advocate the intelligent design hypothesis sometimes cite Hoyle's work in this area to support the claim that the universe was fine tuned in order to allow intelligent life to be possible.

 

Unfortunately for Hoyle, that hypothesis has been turned on it's head.

There may be many universes out there which may NOT BE FINED TUNED. This universe may be the only one which is fined tuned.

Of course some think we're special and have a GOD that created it. But the problem with this is that it's obvious that the inhabitants who were lucky enough to be in the one universe that had everything just right for it to exist and prosper will feel special. DUH!!!!.....No doubt that no creatures were ever able to come to fruition in the other countless universes which didn't have everything lined up so perfectly, thus no witnesses to say this universe sucks....lol....Non-existent beings have no way to tell others how they feel...DUH!!!

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Your reply above proves to me you are ignorant of the Information on Hoyle. Hoyle was on your side dummy.

DUH!!!!

Obviously you didn't do your homework...tsk tsk...what a shame. Below is an excerpt of a short summary of his beliefs.

Hoyle, an atheist until that time, said that this suggestion of a guiding hand left him "greatly shaken." Consequently, he began to believe in a guiding force in the universe, which led him to a belief in panspermia.[4] Those who advocate the intelligent design hypothesis sometimes cite Hoyle's work in this area to support the claim that the universe was fine tuned in order to allow intelligent life to be possible.

 

Unfortunately for Hoyle, that hypothesis has been turned on it's head.

There may be many universes out there which may NOT BE FINED TUNED. This universe may be the only one which is fined tuned.

Of course some think we're special and have a GOD that created it. But the problem with this is that it's obvious that the inhabitants who were lucky enough to be in the one universe that had everything just right for it to exist and prosper will feel special. DUH!!!!.....No doubt that no creatures were ever able to come to fruition in the other countless universes which didn't have everything lined up so perfectly, thus no witnesses to say this universe sucks....lol....Non-existent beings have no way to tell others how they feel...DUH!!!

I never said anything about Hoyle, you did.

I was just making a general statement about how gullible you are regarding your sourcing of Berkeley and Wikipedia.

If that's where you get your "evidence",  it's no wonder you're so confused.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I never said anything about Hoyle, you did.

I was just making a general statement about how gullible you are regarding your sourcing of Berkeley and Wikipedia.

If that's where you get your "evidence",  it's no wonder you're so confused.

Nope, That's not where I get my evidence. I get it with common sense. It's something you and multitudes just like you lack.

My source of info, no matter how you belittle it, is far more advanced, reliable, and believable compared to your sources. Your sources are akin to over 38,000 other sources who claim their authority on truth based on nothing of value and hearsay. The very fact that you believe in one of those 38,000 as the truth, based on nothing of value proves to me you're a "feel good" type of person. Don't mind the facts, as long as it makes me feel good and fuzzy inside, that's all that counts. Maybe you can fool yourself, but I can't....Sorry !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Your reply above proves to me you are ignorant of the Information on Hoyle. Hoyle was on your side dummy.

DUH!!!!

Obviously you didn't do your homework...tsk tsk...what a shame. Below is an excerpt of a short summary of his beliefs.

Hoyle, an atheist until that time, said that this suggestion of a guiding hand left him "greatly shaken." Consequently, he began to believe in a guiding force in the universe, which led him to a belief in panspermia.[4] Those who advocate the intelligent design hypothesis sometimes cite Hoyle's work in this area to support the claim that the universe was fine tuned in order to allow intelligent life to be possible.

 

Unfortunately for Hoyle, that hypothesis has been turned on it's head.

There may be many universes out there which may NOT BE FINED TUNED. This universe may be the only one which is fined tuned.

Of course some think we're special and have a GOD that created it. But the problem with this is that it's obvious that the inhabitants who were lucky enough to be in the one universe that had everything just right for it to exist and prosper will feel special. DUH!!!!.....No doubt that no creatures were ever able to come to fruition in the other countless universes which didn't have everything lined up so perfectly, thus no witnesses to say this universe sucks....lol....Non-existent beings have no way to tell others how they feel...DUH!!!

"...which led him to a belief in panspermia."

 

I don't know what panspermia is but it sounds like something nancy and the princess would be interested in.HippyHippy

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Nope, That's not where I get my evidence. I get it with common sense. It's something you and multitudes just like you lack.

My source of info, no matter how you belittle it, is far more advanced, reliable, and believable compared to your sources. Your sources are akin to over 38,000 other sources who claim their authority on truth based on nothing of value and hearsay. The very fact that you believe in one of those 38,000 as the truth, based on nothing of value proves to me you're a "feel good" type of person. Don't mind the facts, as long as it makes me feel good and fuzzy inside, that's all that counts. Maybe you can fool yourself, but I can't....Sorry !

I don't know why you want to argue religion with me constantly.

I'm nonplussed to say the least.

I don't belong to or follow any religion.

That dog won't hunt.

Maybe you need visiondude to come back so you can argue religion.

joker17

This is profound folks. I was on a cigarette break just now and saw a shooting star. This has to mean something folks. It must be some divine intervention telling me something.

It has to be a sign from God. It just has to be........ Please folks, dismiss everything Science says about shooting stars, it's quackery at best.

It must mean God is angry about something so we must sacrifice some humans.......Crazy

In fact, a while ago I saw an eclipse of the sun. This is defintely leading up to something.....I bet If it rains really hard and a whirling wind tears across the midland, it must mean the folks living there have something wrong with them. Why else would there be tornados in the same places over and over again?....Let's have a crusade and round up those folks. They're evil and living in sin....it has to be why.....Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I don't know why you want to argue religion with me constantly.

I'm nonplussed to say the least.

I don't belong to or follow any religion.

That dog won't hunt.

Maybe you need visiondude to come back so you can argue religion.

Come to think of it you're right. I get better responses from a camel turd.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I don't know why you want to argue religion with me constantly.

I'm nonplussed to say the least.

I don't belong to or follow any religion.

That dog won't hunt.

Maybe you need visiondude to come back so you can argue religion.

I can't argue with someone who has their head up their ass. I simply try to pull your head out but it's almost impossible. You must've used Crazy Glue or something.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Come to think of it you're right. I get better responses from a camel turd.

Yeah, cuz you're on the same wavelength.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

Yeah, cuz you're on the same wavelength.

Wow, what a comeback. I don't know what to say....

Thud

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Wow, what a comeback. I don't know what to say....

Thud

I know.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I know.

Maybe  you should start believing in Batman and/or Superman. Their stories are much more believable...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Maybe  you should start believing in Batman and/or Superman. Their stories are much more believable...

No, I'd rather kneel down and face Saudi Arabia  6 times a day on a little rug and pray for 72 virgins when I die.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

No, I'd rather kneel down and face Saudi Arabia  6 times a day on a little rug and pray for 72 virgins when I die.

That's about as useful as going to church every Sunday and talking to some imaginary being floating in the sky above. Talking to the ceiling could get you in trouble with the looney tunes society.

Hey, I just heard a frog fart. This must mean the end is near...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

That's about as useful as going to church every Sunday and talking to some imaginary being floating in the sky above. Talking to the ceiling could get you in trouble with the looney tunes society.

Hey, I just heard a frog fart. This must mean the end is near...

Or like praying to some big black box in the desert with cavemen revolving around it like ants.Crazy

joker17

Ridge, I have a life and gotta go to bed and work tomorrow.

You're nothing but a tool. You're an insecure individual who needs his safety blanket to feel good about himself. Maybe you should seek the truth instead of blindly following something that makes about as much sense as your responses in this thread.

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

And one other thing before I go to sleep, stick to your comedy schtick, cause your self appointed representation of Christianity is embarrasing to even the low profile Christians. They would've voted you out a long time ago.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Ridge, I have a life and gotta go to bed and work tomorrow.

You're nothing but a tool. You're an insecure individual who needs his safety blanket to feel good about himself. Maybe you should seek the truth instead of blindly following something that makes about as much sense as your responses in this thread.

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

And one other thing before I go to sleep, stick to your comedy schtick, cause your self appointed representation of Christianity is embarrasing to even the low profile Christians. They would've voted you out a long time ago.

Don't forget to take a bath.

You're probably stinkin' to high heaven with that Florida heat down there.

PHEW! Gas mask time.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

Or like praying to some big black box in the desert with cavemen revolving around it like ants.Crazy

If someone would just nuke that thing out of existence, then the ones who hate "The People of the Book" would make no hadj, have no reason to exist, better world for the rest of us, no?

24 empty launcher tubes

a mushroom cloud

and now, it's Miller time

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 9, 2011

Ah, Berkeley and Wikipedia.

Yes, stellar sources.

Berkeley, the most liberal, agenda driven place in the world and Wikipedia, where anybody can post any crazy thing they want to and people like you will swear it's fact. LOL!

Why don't you include that ultra-liberal husband and wife team too - Snopes?

You are a joke.

PROVE the information is wrong!  Where's your proof - some self-declared statement by you that everyone you don't like is a lib?  What a lying snot.

NO ONE IS INSULTING ANYONE AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE.

Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I never said anything about Hoyle, you did.

I was just making a general statement about how gullible you are regarding your sourcing of Berkeley and Wikipedia.

If that's where you get your "evidence",  it's no wonder you're so confused.

Wikipedia is on par with Encyclopaedia Britannica - so by inference, now you hate Encyclopaedia Britannica because they are some "lib" organization.  So that goes back to your school days when you used Encyclopaedia Britannica for your homework and learned from Lib teachers - so you hate what you learned.  Which must make you a dumbass LIB!  Hallelujah!

Like I said, YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT EVERYONE.  Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it.   I don't like it any more than you guys.

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Original Post by rdgrnr

"I don't know what panspermia is..."

That's right, you sure don't Buddy.  So look it up instead of insulting people!

You just have to keep opening up your mouth, don't you?  Keep it up and eventually you'll get what is coming to you. 

Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!   Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I don't know why you want to argue religion with me constantly.

I'm nonplussed to say the least.

I don't belong to or follow any religion.

That dog won't hunt.

Maybe you need visiondude to come back so you can argue religion.

So now you are admitting you are nothing but a liar!  You are just posting any lying nonsense you can think of for 92 pages! 

You are over the line.  I'm telling you SHUT UP...or if you don't, then meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part! 

Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

PROVE the information is wrong!  Where's your proof - some self-declared statement by you that everyone you don't like is a lib?  What a lying snot.

NO ONE IS INSULTING ANYONE AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE.

Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

You don't consider this post by joker to rdgrnr insulting?:

____________________________________________

Ridge, I have a life and gotta go to bed and work tomorrow.

You're nothing but a tool. You're an insecure individual who needs his safety blanket to feel good about himself. Maybe you should seek the truth instead of blindly following something that makes about as much sense as your responses in this thread.

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

And one other thing before I go to sleep, stick to your comedy schtick, cause your self appointed representation of Christianity is embarrasing to even the low profile Christians. They would've voted you out a long time ago.

___________________________________________

PC never goes both ways. "You have to let me say what I want to say so we can all practice tolerance......but you can't say what you want to."

Pathetic.

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Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

You don't consider this post by joker to rdgrnr insulting?:

____________________________________________

Ridge, I have a life and gotta go to bed and work tomorrow.

You're nothing but a tool. You're an insecure individual who needs his safety blanket to feel good about himself. Maybe you should seek the truth instead of blindly following something that makes about as much sense as your responses in this thread.

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

And one other thing before I go to sleep, stick to your comedy schtick, cause your self appointed representation of Christianity is embarrasing to even the low profile Christians. They would've voted you out a long time ago.

___________________________________________

PC never goes both ways. "You have to let me say what I want to say so we can all practice tolerance......but you can't say what you want to."

Pathetic.

The "Hatfield and McCoys" feud has been going on for several threads (as you and everyone knows) and continues with this thread.  I could start my entire explanation several threads back but to keep it simple and to the point, let's stick with this thread. 

I think in order to get a full understanding of this wild shootout you have to go back to page 1 of this thread.  It started off innocent in relation to Joker, rdgrnr and visiondude.  Joker made a simple remark.  One, that later in the thread rdgrnr and visiondude BOTH agreed was just fine and not worthy of a comment.  But when you go back to page 2 and follow the progression, contrary to what they said later, (rdgrnr and vision dude) did start instigating the mess that went for 92 pages.  They did make comments and the battle began.

Of the three, rdgrnr posted on page 1: "Great story, God bless her."      Joker did not comment or attack rdgrnr for it.

Then we have Joker posting on page 2: "100% coincidence.....PERIOD!"

Four posts later we have visiondude posting, a medium length comment, quoting Joker.    In part saying: "maybe  maybe not
i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this..."

In my opinion, not an attack on Joker's post but a mild opposition to Joker's post.

Up to now there were others besides Joker, rdgrnr and visiondude, that posted for and against religion and prayer - with no attacks.

Seven posts down from visiondude, we have the first attack by rdgrnr.

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.
Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.
Every last one of em."

First, off he makes a statement of hate and hate in particular for Christians - an absolute lie.  If you take all the negative comments and add them together, none were hateful.  They only stated their opinion that they did not believe God was responsible.

Second, he starts with name calling, which apparently is his trademark and specialty and continues right up to page 92.

Things continue. rdgrnr was told by others that there were no hateful comments, rdgrnr chooses to attack again.

==========================

Now we come to your question. 

"You don't consider this post by joker to rdgrnr insulting?:"

Maybe if you point out exactly what you find insulting, I may or may not agree that it might be.  But if we look at the instigators (rdgrnr and visiondude), Joker is posting in self-defense and using fire to fight fire.  He reacted. rdgrnr continually calls people names, insults and a variety of derogatory remarks.  I've posted more than once about quitting deliberately stirring up trouble - but he mocks and refuses to do so.  That makes it fair game to do the same to him. 

There have been some quiet spots where this thread looked like it might end.  Then for one reason or another, rdgrnr insists he will continue with his disgusting over the line antics.  He could offer real arguments for his beliefs but he chooses lying and 3rd grade tactics.   It was different with visiondude.  He has his religious opinions and never stooped to name calling.  One person and one alone is responsible for deliberately causing the insults, rdgrnr.  If he stops the name calling and lies, more than likely the posts from then on would be civil.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

You don't consider this insulting?

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

_____________________________________

Or is this one of those deals where saying such a thing is OK for one party, but if the other party says something along the same lines the are a <GASP> hater? That's about akin to a mugger finding out their intended victim is armed. "Oh I was just going to ask you for a few dollars, I didn't know you were packng."

Scared

What is really quite entertaining in this non-ending sidetracked thread is that some of the Doubting Thomases (religiously) are the very same folk who insist a system exists to beat the lottery.

Quite entertaining.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 9, 2011

What?  You don't have the Fast & EZ Lottery Picker?  I guess since you are a newbie, you got here JUST after it was no longer available.   Almost everyone here has one.  Gets at least 1 winner a day, takes no effort and everyone is making a ton of money!  Click-click and BAM! you nail the lotteries dead in their tracks.

Sorry, you didn't join just ONE DAY earlier.  ROFL

Awww shux.........that's kool tho...

I'll be hearing from Houdini anyday....I'm sure of it!!

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Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

If someone would just nuke that thing out of existence, then the ones who hate "The People of the Book" would make no hadj, have no reason to exist, better world for the rest of us, no?

24 empty launcher tubes

a mushroom cloud

and now, it's Miller time

Amen, brother!  Thumbs Up

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

PROVE the information is wrong!  Where's your proof - some self-declared statement by you that everyone you don't like is a lib?  What a lying snot.

NO ONE IS INSULTING ANYONE AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO INSULT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE.

Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

Don't act like more of a moron than you've proven yourself to be, twinkletoes.

It's not on me to prove a negative; it's on him to prove his "evidence" from Wikipedia and Berkeley.

You're stretching and straining and contorting to cover for your master but there's just no "there" there.

And the sad part?

You know it.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

Original Post by rdgrnr

"I don't know what panspermia is..."

That's right, you sure don't Buddy.  So look it up instead of insulting people!

You just have to keep opening up your mouth, don't you?  Keep it up and eventually you'll get what is coming to you. 

Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part!   Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

I knew you'd know the meaning of any form of that word.

Up close, personal and intimately. Hippy

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

So now you are admitting you are nothing but a liar!  You are just posting any lying nonsense you can think of for 92 pages! 

You are over the line.  I'm telling you SHUT UP...or if you don't, then meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this failure to communicate on your part! 

Some jerks you just can't reach. So you get what we had here yesterday and last week, which is the way rdgrnr wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you guys.

"I'm telling you SHUT UP..."

Yeah I know, that's the same thing your leader joker is telling me to do - shut up.

And that's the same thing all libs, America haters, atheists and Christian haters (am I being redundant?) want Patriotic Americans to do. 

But guess what?

Ain't happenin'.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

You don't consider this insulting?

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

_____________________________________

Or is this one of those deals where saying such a thing is OK for one party, but if the other party says something along the same lines the are a <GASP> hater? That's about akin to a mugger finding out their intended victim is armed. "Oh I was just going to ask you for a few dollars, I didn't know you were packng."

Scared

What is really quite entertaining in this non-ending sidetracked thread is that some of the Doubting Thomases (religiously) are the very same folk who insist a system exists to beat the lottery.

Quite entertaining.

OK, yes...with qualifications. 

Joker has said more than once, he doesn't like calling people names and would stop.  rdgrnr over and over refuses to stop using racist insulting morally reprehensible remarks.  Reading the preceding post(s) to Joker's "simpleton" remark, you can clearly see Joker is responding to rdgrnr with the standard set by rdgrnr.  Name calling.

Likewise, I too keep making various attempts to bring an end to the name calling - to no avail.  Is no one else offended by his 3rd grade level of insults, blatant lies and name calling?  Is no one offended by his stereotyping, which is falsely lumping people into a group, because you know nothing about them and generally fear them.

His comments, I am sure are hurtful to many and without first-hand knowledge of the situation, not helpful at all.

The inciting provoking cause is rdgrnr.  He can argue his side of whatever the topic happens to be without using slurs and outright lies, doesn't bother me.  He lied in the beginning claiming he was defending Christianity, then it was defending little old ladies.  Now, we find out on page 91 he isn't arguing religion at all.  Huh?  Right.

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rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

The "Hatfield and McCoys" feud has been going on for several threads (as you and everyone knows) and continues with this thread.  I could start my entire explanation several threads back but to keep it simple and to the point, let's stick with this thread. 

I think in order to get a full understanding of this wild shootout you have to go back to page 1 of this thread.  It started off innocent in relation to Joker, rdgrnr and visiondude.  Joker made a simple remark.  One, that later in the thread rdgrnr and visiondude BOTH agreed was just fine and not worthy of a comment.  But when you go back to page 2 and follow the progression, contrary to what they said later, (rdgrnr and vision dude) did start instigating the mess that went for 92 pages.  They did make comments and the battle began.

Of the three, rdgrnr posted on page 1: "Great story, God bless her."      Joker did not comment or attack rdgrnr for it.

Then we have Joker posting on page 2: "100% coincidence.....PERIOD!"

Four posts later we have visiondude posting, a medium length comment, quoting Joker.    In part saying: "maybe  maybe not
i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this..."

In my opinion, not an attack on Joker's post but a mild opposition to Joker's post.

Up to now there were others besides Joker, rdgrnr and visiondude, that posted for and against religion and prayer - with no attacks.

Seven posts down from visiondude, we have the first attack by rdgrnr.

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.
Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.
Every last one of em."

First, off he makes a statement of hate and hate in particular for Christians - an absolute lie.  If you take all the negative comments and add them together, none were hateful.  They only stated their opinion that they did not believe God was responsible.

Second, he starts with name calling, which apparently is his trademark and specialty and continues right up to page 92.

Things continue. rdgrnr was told by others that there were no hateful comments, rdgrnr chooses to attack again.

==========================

Now we come to your question. 

"You don't consider this post by joker to rdgrnr insulting?:"

Maybe if you point out exactly what you find insulting, I may or may not agree that it might be.  But if we look at the instigators (rdgrnr and visiondude), Joker is posting in self-defense and using fire to fight fire.  He reacted. rdgrnr continually calls people names, insults and a variety of derogatory remarks.  I've posted more than once about quitting deliberately stirring up trouble - but he mocks and refuses to do so.  That makes it fair game to do the same to him. 

There have been some quiet spots where this thread looked like it might end.  Then for one reason or another, rdgrnr insists he will continue with his disgusting over the line antics.  He could offer real arguments for his beliefs but he chooses lying and 3rd grade tactics.   It was different with visiondude.  He has his religious opinions and never stooped to name calling.  One person and one alone is responsible for deliberately causing the insults, rdgrnr.  If he stops the name calling and lies, more than likely the posts from then on would be civil.

I love when libs who would wet themselves at the sight of men with guns, talk casually about things like wild shootouts and the Hatfields and McCoys, that would have them hiding in the root cellar with the women and children in real life. Kinda funny really.

That's a subject for when the men are talking, princess. Really, stay out of it. Go relax with a nice Brandy Alexander and read your Fashion & Flair magazines. Maybe draw yourself a nice hot bubblebath with essential oils, light a few persimmon and cranberry candles, put on some Johnny Mathis and dream of new, fun hairstyles or create new dreamy fashions for this year's fall collection.

Just don't involve yourself with men talk, ok princess? It just doesn't resonate coming from you. Really creepy.

Thanks ever so much.

 

Now, as to your protracted lies...

I didn't respond to joker's first comment (as you well know) but I knew he was chomping at the bit.

I didn't repond to joker's butt sniffer mario's first comment but I knew what it was leading up to.

I didn't respond to any of the anti-American, Christian Haters comments until it was beginning to reach fever pitch with TruthSerum's thinly-veiled, foaming-at-the-mouth post bringing the hate to a crescendo.

Then I responded with the truth in cold, hard facts:

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.
Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.
Every last one of em."

That is the truth and everybody knows it, including you, princess. And I stand by those words.

 

The other dirty business that nobody wants to talk about is who TruthSerum really is. He/she/it posted only once in LP history using the same buzzwords and histrionics as joker, nancy and you, princess, then disappeared into the ether. How interesting...

So which of you three will "man" up and admit the charade, princess? Princess?... 

 

As to your 'namecalling' whining, go back and compare my posts to the reponses from your leader and see who the real namecaller is.

Frankly I don't care a whit about namecalling but your hypocrisy seems to have no bounds.

 

Sorry if I made you cry again, princess.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

"I'm telling you SHUT UP..."

Yeah I know, that's the same thing your leader joker is telling me to do - shut up.

And that's the same thing all libs, America haters, atheists and Christian haters (am I being redundant?) want Patriotic Americans to do. 

But guess what?

Ain't happenin'.

Learn it.

Live it.

Love it.

First off YOU are a proven America hater, you've pointed out stuff in your own words that you despise!

"(am I being redundant?)"

No, not redundant, you are being an out and out liar!   You already stated over and over that you don't like schools, teachers, science, articles, the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson, ACLU, Queers (you really hate them and it shows), Republicans, Democrats, libs, you hate ANY country including the U.S.A.!  You're a liar, can't get your facts straight and can't prove anything you say!  You are against women having equal rights.   You are a treasonous coward!  You're pulling stuff out of your azz. 

You also said you weren't going to reply to my posts...I know, it is the dementia acting up.  Here we go, your exact quote:

"Nonsensical posters such as yourself are allowed one sentence to address me if you want me to read it and you must quickly get to the point in the first half of the sentence or I don't finish reading it. I got no time for the nonsense."

So don't get mad at ME, you are the one that said it.  I'm just trying to make you follow your OWN rule! 

After 93 pages, the only thing I think might be true is that you like to drink yourself into a stupor with your Jack Daniels.  Noble ambition, I am sure.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

First off YOU are a proven America hater, you've pointed out stuff in your own words that you despise!

"(am I being redundant?)"

No, not redundant, you are being an out and out liar!   You already stated over and over that you don't like schools, teachers, science, articles, the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson, ACLU, Queers (you really hate them and it shows), Republicans, Democrats, libs, you hate ANY country including the U.S.A.!  You're a liar, can't get your facts straight and can't prove anything you say!  You are against women having equal rights.   You are a treasonous coward!  You're pulling stuff out of your azz. 

You also said you weren't going to reply to my posts...I know, it is the dementia acting up.  Here we go, your exact quote:

"Nonsensical posters such as yourself are allowed one sentence to address me if you want me to read it and you must quickly get to the point in the first half of the sentence or I don't finish reading it. I got no time for the nonsense."

So don't get mad at ME, you are the one that said it.  I'm just trying to make you follow your OWN rule! 

After 93 pages, the only thing I think might be true is that you like to drink yourself into a stupor with your Jack Daniels.  Noble ambition, I am sure.

You're right princess, I've been too kind and forgiving towards you and your repetitive, nonsensical, Paste and Copy posts of your own looney words over and over and over.

I'll strive to be more strict with your nonsense and conform to my standards more uniformly in the future.

I hope it doesn't have a detrimental effect on your fantasies of actually having me respond to you though. Afterall, that must be quite an honor for you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

OK, yes...with qualifications. 

Joker has said more than once, he doesn't like calling people names and would stop.  rdgrnr over and over refuses to stop using racist insulting morally reprehensible remarks.  Reading the preceding post(s) to Joker's "simpleton" remark, you can clearly see Joker is responding to rdgrnr with the standard set by rdgrnr.  Name calling.

Likewise, I too keep making various attempts to bring an end to the name calling - to no avail.  Is no one else offended by his 3rd grade level of insults, blatant lies and name calling?  Is no one offended by his stereotyping, which is falsely lumping people into a group, because you know nothing about them and generally fear them.

His comments, I am sure are hurtful to many and without first-hand knowledge of the situation, not helpful at all.

The inciting provoking cause is rdgrnr.  He can argue his side of whatever the topic happens to be without using slurs and outright lies, doesn't bother me.  He lied in the beginning claiming he was defending Christianity, then it was defending little old ladies.  Now, we find out on page 91 he isn't arguing religion at all.  Huh?  Right.

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 "Is no one offended by his stereotyping, which is falsely lumping people into a group, because you know nothing about them and generally fear them."

      LOL

Couple questions, princess.

Who is "them"?

And why would anybody fear "them"?

LOL

 

 

PS. There should be a Question Mark at the end of your sentence, not a period.

Just sayin'...

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

I love when libs who would wet themselves at the sight of men with guns, talk casually about things like wild shootouts and the Hatfields and McCoys, that would have them hiding in the root cellar with the women and children in real life. Kinda funny really.

That's a subject for when the men are talking, princess. Really, stay out of it. Go relax with a nice Brandy Alexander and read your Fashion & Flair magazines. Maybe draw yourself a nice hot bubblebath with essential oils, light a few persimmon and cranberry candles, put on some Johnny Mathis and dream of new, fun hairstyles or create new dreamy fashions for this year's fall collection.

Just don't involve yourself with men talk, ok princess? It just doesn't resonate coming from you. Really creepy.

Thanks ever so much.

 

Now, as to your protracted lies...

I didn't respond to joker's first comment (as you well know) but I knew he was chomping at the bit.

I didn't repond to joker's butt sniffer mario's first comment but I knew what it was leading up to.

I didn't respond to any of the anti-American, Christian Haters comments until it was beginning to reach fever pitch with TruthSerum's thinly-veiled, foaming-at-the-mouth post bringing the hate to a crescendo.

Then I responded with the truth in cold, hard facts:

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.
Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.
Every last one of em."

That is the truth and everybody knows it, including you, princess. And I stand by those words.

 

The other dirty business that nobody wants to talk about is who TruthSerum really is. He/she/it posted only once in LP history using the same buzzwords and histrionics as joker, nancy and you, princess, then disappeared into the ether. How interesting...

So which of you three will "man" up and admit the charade, princess? Princess?... 

 

As to your 'namecalling' whining, go back and compare my posts to the reponses from your leader and see who the real namecaller is.

Frankly I don't care a whit about namecalling but your hypocrisy seems to have no bounds.

 

Sorry if I made you cry again, princess.

I'll give you some credit for being more articulate (pointing that out, just to counter your attack that I am not treating poor little rdgrnr fairly or sincerely) . 

If there is any truth in your post I can't separate the lies from the truth.  You still post derogatory lies and I have no reason to believe you are telling the truth in anything you said above. 

The ONLY factual thing I can confirm is TruthSerum did post only once.  Todd can discover people that open multiple accounts by looking at the LP log files.  I would suggest you contact Todd on that issue and see what he can dig up. 

"I didn't respond to joker's first comment (as you well know) but I knew he was chomping at the bit.I didn't respond to joker's first comment (as you well know) but I knew he was chomping at the bit."

I don't think you should be telling me "what I well know."  I feel you did respond to Joker or I wouldn't have said it.  When I posted and said don't call Joker a gutless coward - you did not deny including Joker and in fact, came on with a vengence.  That would be way over on Page 8 before I posted to this thread for the first time.

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws.

Him and his ass kissers may get me banned from here as they're trying to do but I'll tell you one thing:

I don't get pushed around by anybody.

Not you, not him, nobody.

Believe that.

You're all a bunch of gutless cowards.

And here's the sad part: You know it.

You know, at one time I posted right along side of you with agreement more than once.  But you don't remember or don't care to remember.  If you're right, you're right...but you engage in lies and vicious unexcusable attacks and have lost credibility.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 10, 2011

I'll give you some credit for being more articulate (pointing that out, just to counter your attack that I am not treating poor little rdgrnr fairly or sincerely) . 

If there is any truth in your post I can't separate the lies from the truth.  You still post derogatory lies and I have no reason to believe you are telling the truth in anything you said above. 

The ONLY factual thing I can confirm is TruthSerum did post only once.  Todd can discover people that open multiple accounts by looking at the LP log files.  I would suggest you contact Todd on that issue and see what he can dig up. 

"I didn't respond to joker's first comment (as you well know) but I knew he was chomping at the bit.I didn't respond to joker's first comment (as you well know) but I knew he was chomping at the bit."

I don't think you should be telling me "what I well know."  I feel you did respond to Joker or I wouldn't have said it.  When I posted and said don't call Joker a gutless coward - you did not deny including Joker and in fact, came on with a vengence.  That would be way over on Page 8 before I posted to this thread for the first time.

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws.

Him and his ass kissers may get me banned from here as they're trying to do but I'll tell you one thing:

I don't get pushed around by anybody.

Not you, not him, nobody.

Believe that.

You're all a bunch of gutless cowards.

And here's the sad part: You know it.

You know, at one time I posted right along side of you with agreement more than once.  But you don't remember or don't care to remember.  If you're right, you're right...but you engage in lies and vicious unexcusable attacks and have lost credibility.

"I'll give you some credit for being more articulate..."

 

Hey Joker! The princess says I'm more articulate than you!

Pssst! I think the honeymoon's over.

He's throwing you under the bus just like you did to little mario!

Wow. You America-hating, Christian-hating atheists really are birds of a feather, ain'tcha?. 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Uh-oh, the princess has gone offline.

I don't know if he's taking my advice about the bubblebath or having another Nervous-Nellie Fluster-Fit.

I'm worried sick about him.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

Uh-oh, the princess has gone offline.

I don't know if he's taking my advice about the bubblebath or having another Nervous-Nellie Fluster-Fit.

I'm worried sick about him.

After further review it has become clear.

The princess couldn't take the heat.

So he got out of the kitchen.

 

Well, at least he's learned something from joker.

At least there's that.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

truecritic,

Interesting that when asked about insults you say, "OK, yes....with qualifications".

Here's my summary of this thread and things brought up within what could be many sub-threads that turned into rabbit trails:

OK, rdgrnr might have went a we bit redneck but in parts of the country it's simply harmelss "redneckin' ". Back when we truly enjoyed free speech and things said weren't challenged by bed-wetting liberal pinko commie draft dodging mama's boys who get offended anything they don't agree with there was no harm in it.

GOD GUNS AND GUTS MADE AMERICA. LET'S KEEP ALL THREE.

joker17 served in the US Navy so we can't tell him to go back to his country and as he said, this (U.S. ) is now his country, so we have to give him that. But he would have to admit if he was writing this stuff back in Iran he wouldn't still be writing it. rdgrnr served in thre Air Force so a few remarks about him were totally uncalled for.

As for all the remarks about "that's racist", horsefeathers. Picking on Christians somehow isn't racist. More liberal nonsense, if you don't have an answer for it or can't reply to it call it racist or calll it a lie.

Try this:

WE LEARNED ALL WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM ON 911.

In typical liberal fashion, instead of the non-believers, atheists, or agnostics in this thread simply saying, "This is how I see it" they are trying to show any believer as being a fool believing in fairytales. Many of those same people would explain to us that this is how everyone needs to practice tolerance.

Thisi thread should have been locked dozens of pages ago. I find it quite curious that anything else that is not lotto-realted or becomes not lotto related is supposed to be blogged yet this goes on and on.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

truecritic,

Interesting that when asked about insults you say, "OK, yes....with qualifications".

Here's my summary of this thread and things brought up within what could be many sub-threads that turned into rabbit trails:

OK, rdgrnr might have went a we bit redneck but in parts of the country it's simply harmelss "redneckin' ". Back when we truly enjoyed free speech and things said weren't challenged by bed-wetting liberal pinko commie draft dodging mama's boys who get offended anything they don't agree with there was no harm in it.

GOD GUNS AND GUTS MADE AMERICA. LET'S KEEP ALL THREE.

joker17 served in the US Navy so we can't tell him to go back to his country and as he said, this (U.S. ) is now his country, so we have to give him that. But he would have to admit if he was writing this stuff back in Iran he wouldn't still be writing it. rdgrnr served in thre Air Force so a few remarks about him were totally uncalled for.

As for all the remarks about "that's racist", horsefeathers. Picking on Christians somehow isn't racist. More liberal nonsense, if you don't have an answer for it or can't reply to it call it racist or calll it a lie.

Try this:

WE LEARNED ALL WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM ON 911.

In typical liberal fashion, instead of the non-believers, atheists, or agnostics in this thread simply saying, "This is how I see it" they are trying to show any believer as being a fool believing in fairytales. Many of those same people would explain to us that this is how everyone needs to practice tolerance.

Thisi thread should have been locked dozens of pages ago. I find it quite curious that anything else that is not lotto-realted or becomes not lotto related is supposed to be blogged yet this goes on and on.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

I doubt the princess will be back for a while.

Too many questions he can't or doesn't want to answer here.

When that happens he usually hides for awhile til the page gets buried and then he comes back talking his same old ridiculous nonsense and lies again.

Gets old and predictable real fast.

 

I disagree on locking down the thread. I think it's better to confine these few lunatics and their crazy demands to one thread than to have them popping up with their insanity on every thread imaginable. I say let em get it out of their system right here and right now; let em take their frustrations out on me instead of little old ladies and Christian women in general. But needless to say, I have no voice in any of that and will abide by the rule of management.

Joker just can't believe that we let women voice their opinions on religious matters in this country and he wants it stopped. He is determined to harrass and ridicule them into silence. He much prefers the way women are in his country - silent - and covered head to toe in black bags with a little slit so they can see and walk a few steps behind the man. The princess follows and lusts after joker simply because of what the princess is - a follower and a perv.

They will tire eventually for one simple reason - they can't cut the muster.

They're all hat and no cattle.

All show and no go.

They can't run with the big dogs.

They're empty vessels.

When it comes right down to it, they just ain't got the cojones.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

A muslim kid can't find his mother in the supermarket.
The store attendant says "What does your mother look like?"
The kid says "How would I know?"
______________________________________________

I'm waiting for one of the lefties to surface and tell us how saying something like We Leanred All We Need to Know About islam on 911 is racial or hate speech but for a rapper to make a CD about rapin' ho's and offin'pigs is them exercising their free speech.

________________________________________________

An Arab man came to the U.S. and married a woman from Minnesota.
They had a baby boy and named him Yasir Youbetcha!

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

A muslim kid can't find his mother in the supermarket.
The store attendant says "What does your mother look like?"
The kid says "How would I know?"
______________________________________________

I'm waiting for one of the lefties to surface and tell us how saying something like We Leanred All We Need to Know About islam on 911 is racial or hate speech but for a rapper to make a CD about rapin' ho's and offin'pigs is them exercising their free speech.

________________________________________________

An Arab man came to the U.S. and married a woman from Minnesota.
They had a baby boy and named him Yasir Youbetcha!

ha-ha. you should't have to wait long.

jimmy4164

This post has been specially prepared for rdgrnr, who apparently has a mouse with a malfunctioing left button that won't allow him to click on links that might prove too challenging for him.  But since he may not be beyond hope, I've pasted some of the text from an article discussing the Bible below.  Who knows, since a high bandwidth connection is not necessary, he may just absorb some of it before his attention deficit kicks in.  Those with fully functioning mice can click here:

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject the Bible

And, just for rdgrnr...

Introduction

Humanists reject the claim that the Bible is the word of God. They are convinced the book was written solely by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, and cruel age. They believe that because the writers of the Bible lived in an unenlightened era, the book contains many errors and harmful teachings.

Humanists receive much criticism due to their position on the Bible. Some critics even accuse them of being evil. This article attempts to clarify the reasons why Humanists hold negative views about the Bible.

Importance of the Subject

In the United States, the Bible is often hailed as a divinely inspired book. Television and radio carry religious programs praising the Bible as the holy and infallible word of God. Religious groups also distribute vast amounts of books, magazines, tapes, pamphlets, and other items. The materials promote the idea that, as televangelist Pat Robertson has said, "The Bible . . . is a workable guidebook for politics, business, families and all the affairs of mankind." [1]

The Bible is also extolled by many politicians. For instance, President Ronald Reagan signed into law an Act of Congress proclaiming 1983 to be the "Year of the Bible." The law described the Bible as the "Word of God" and said there is "a national need to study and apply its teachings." [2]

Thousands of other religious and political leaders throughout the U.S. promote the Bible. In most communities, an opposing view is rarely, if ever, heard.

The massive and incessant promotion of the Bible significantly influences the beliefs of millions. A Gallup poll showed that over 30% of Americans believe that the Bible is the word of God and its teachings should be taken literally. [3] Gallup identified an additional 25% of Americans who consider the Bible as inspired by God, but think some verses should be interpreted symbolically rather than literally. [4]

Gallup says many other people, while having doubts about whether the entire Bible is the word of God, still consider the book to be a source of moral truths and regard its teachings as deserving great respect. [5]

Such views about the Bible are surely responsible, at least in part, for Gallup’s finding that over two-thirds of Americans belong to churches or synagogues, and 40% attend services on a weekly basis. [6]

If the Humanist view of the Bible is correct, millions of Bible-believers and churchgoers are wasting much time, money, and energy. Humanity’s condition could be greatly improved if those resources were used for solving the world's problems instead of worshiping a nonexistent God.

Moreover, because so many people have been told the Bible is the "Good Book," biblical teachings shape the attitudes of millions on numerous subjects. When the subjects involve governmental issues, all of society can be affected when Bible-believers express their views in the political arena.

Anyone who becomes politically active can soon discover that Bible teachings influence the opinions of many Americans on issues involving nuclear war, overpopulation, conservation, women’s rights, gay rights, racial equality, corporal punishment of children, church-state separation, sex education, science, abortion, contraception, censorship, capital punishment, and other subjects.

When people view the Bible as the word of a just and omniscient God, and attempt to have society's laws and social practices reflect biblical teachings, serious error and harm will occur if the Bible was actually written by fallible humans who lived in an unenlightened era.

In that case, the Bible would not be a guidebook for attaining human happiness and well-being. It would instead perpetuate the ideas of an ignorant and superstitious past - and prevent humanity from rising to a higher level.

Contradictions

The Bible is an unreliable authority because it contains numerous contradictions. Logically, if two statements are contradictory, at least one of them is false. The biblical contradictions therefore prove that the book has many false statements and is not infallible.

Examples of Old Testament Contradictions

The contradictions start in the opening chapters of the Bible, where inconsistent creation stories are told. Genesis chapter 1 says the first man and woman were made at the same time, and after the animals. But Genesis chapter 2 gives a different order of creation: man, then the animals, and then woman.

Genesis chapter 1 lists six days of creation, whereas chapter 2 refers to the "day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." Genesis 1:2-3 claims that God created light and divided it from darkness on the first day; but Genesis 1:14-19 tells us the sun, moon, and stars weren't made until the fourth day.

Chapter 1 reports that the fruit trees were created before the man, while chapter 2 indicates they were made after him. Genesis 1:20 says the fowl were created out of the waters; Genesis 2:19 alleges they were formed from the ground.

Contradictions are also seen in the biblical story of a worldwide flood. According to Genesis 6:19-22, God ordered Noah to bring "of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort . . . into the ark." Nevertheless, Genesis 7:2-3 relates that the Lord ordered Noah to take into the ark the clean beasts and the birds by sevens, and only the unclean beasts by twos.

Genesis 8:4 reports that, as the waters of the flood receded, Noah’s ark rested on the mountains of Ararat in the seventh month. The very next verse, however, says the mountaintops could not be seen until the tenth month.

Genesis 8:13 describes the earth as being dry on the first day of the first month. But Genesis 8:14 informs us the earth was not dry until the twenty-seventh day of the second month.

The Old Testament contains an interesting contradiction in the story of the census taken by King David and the resulting punishment of the Israelites. God was so angered by the census that he sent a plague that killed 70,000 men. According to II Samuel 24:1, the Lord had caused David to take the census - which makes the punishment appear even more nonsensical. But an attempt was later made, at I Chronicles 21:1, to improve God’s image by claiming that Satan incited the census.

Further, the Old Testament is contradictory as to whether the Lord commanded the Israelites to sacrifice animals to him. At Jeremiah 7:22, God denies he ever gave the Israelites commandments about animal sacrifices. In contrast, Exodus 29:38-42 and many other verses depict God as requiring the Israelites to offer animal sacrifices.

Examples of New Testament Contradictions

In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus' birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem "to present him to the Lord," and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and "went and hanged himself." To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and "falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." John 19:30 alleges the last words were, "It is finished."

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn't hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.

Cruelties

Humanists also reject the Bible because it approves of outrageous cruelty and injustice. In civilized legal systems, a fundamental principle is that the suffering of the innocent is the essence of injustice. Yet the Bible teaches that God repeatedly violated this moral precept by harming innocent people.

Cruelty in Basic Christian Teachings

Instances of cruel and unjust behavior by the biblical God are seen in the most basic Christian doctrines. Some of God’s acts that harmed the innocent are as follows.

He <snip>ed the whole human race and cursed the entire creation because of the acts of two people (Genesis 3:16-23; Romans 5:18); he drowned pregnant women and innocent children and animals at the time of the Flood (Genesis 7:20-23); he tormented the Egyptians and their animals with hail and disease because pharaoh refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt (Exodus 9:8-11,25); and he killed Egyptian babies at the time of the Passover (Exodus 12:29-30).

After the Exodus he ordered the Israelites to exterminate the men, women, and children of seven nations and steal their land (Deuteronomy 7:1-2); he killed King David’s baby because of David’s adultery with Bathsheba (II Samuel 12:13-18); he required the torture and murder of his own son (e.g., Romans 3:24-25); and he promised to send non-Christians to eternal torture (e.g., Revelation 21:8).

More Slaughters Ordered by the Lord

Besides the unfairness and heartlessness contained in many well-known Christian teachings, the Bible has other violent tales that are opposed to civilized standards of morality. Among the most shocking Bible passages are those that portray God as ordering or approving the extermination of various people, including children and the elderly. Here are examples:

  • At I Samuel 15:3, the prophet Samuel gives King Saul this commandment from the Lord: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
  • Ezekiel 9:4-7 has this harrowing account: "And the Lord said unto him, Go through . . . the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark. . . ."
  • Hosea 13:16 describes a punishment from the Lord: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
  • Deuteronomy 32:23-25 says that after the Israelites incited God's jealousy by worshiping other gods, he vowed: "I will spend mine arrows upon them. . . . The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs."
  • In Numbers chapter 31, the Lord approves of these instructions that Moses gave to the Israelite soldiers about how to treat certain women and children captured in war: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
  • Isaiah 13:9,15-18 contains this message from God: "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger. . . . Every one that is found shall be thrust through. . . . Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes . . . and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them. . . . [T]hey shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not spare children."

These verses expose the biblical God as having the morals of a sociopathic mass murderer.

Examples of God’s Other Cruel Methods

The God of the Bible displayed his sadistic tendencies by employing a variety of other means to torment and kill people.

He caused the earth to open and swallow entire families (Numbers 16:37-32); he used fire to devour people (e.g., Leviticus 10:1-2; Numbers 11:1-2); and he punished the Israelites with wars, famines, and pestilences (e.g., Ezekiel 5:11-17).

He sent wild animals such as bears (II Kings 2:23-24), lions (II Kings 17:24-25), and serpents (Numbers 21:6) to attack people; he sanctioned slavery (e.g., Leviticus 25:44-46); he ordered religious persecution (e.g., Deuteronomy 13:12-16); and he caused cannibalism (Jeremiah 19:9).

Disproportionate Punishments by the Lord

The biblical God is also guilty of inflicting punishments that are grossly disproportionate to the acts committed. In the American legal system, such disproportion violates the U.S. Constitution’s Eighth Amendment, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.

Obviously, to punish people who are completely innocent, as seen in the preceding Bible verses, constitutes punishment that is horribly disproportionate to the moral culpability of the recipients. And there are other instances where the biblical God's punishments are shockingly harsh compared to the acts committed.

For example, the Old Testament says the Lord prescribed execution for the "crimes" of working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:15); cursing one’s parents (Leviticus 20:9); worshiping other gods (Deuteronomy 17:2-5); enticing a friend or family member to worship other gods (Deuteronomy 13:6-10); being a witch, medium, or wizard (Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 20:27); engaging in homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13); and not being a virgin on one’s wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21).

In the New Testament, God became far worse in regard to imposing excessively severe punishments. It would be hard to imagine anything more cruel and disproportionate than punishing people with eternal torture for mere disbelief that Jesus was the son of God.

The inability to believe that proposition harms no one, and it has been disbelieved by some of the greatest benefactors of humanity. Nonetheless, God promises to punish them and all other nonbelievers with the most horrible pain conceivable.

God’s Violence Incites Human Violence

A serious problem with the violence and injustice in the Bible is that, all too often, the teachings and example of the biblical God have incited cruel acts by his followers.

Many of them reasoned that since God, who is considered just and loving, committed or approved of the most brutal acts, good Christians need not have qualms about behaving likewise. Such logic led the American patriot Thomas Paine to say, "The belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man."[11]

Joseph McCabe’s treatise The History of Torture illustrates the reasoning process. McCabe reports that during the Middle Ages, there was more torture used in Christian Europe than in any society in history.[12]

The main cause of this cruelty was the Christian doctrine of eternal punishment. McCabe explains: "If, it was natural to reason, God punishes men with eternal torment, it is surely lawful for men to use doses of it in a good cause."[13]

Other historical examples of violent and unjust acts supported by biblical teachings include: the Inquisition; the Crusades; the burning of witches; religious wars; pogroms against Jews; persecution of homosexuals; forceful conversions of heathens; slavery; beatings of children; brutal treatment of the mentally ill; suppression of scientists; and whippings, mutilations, and violent executions of persons convicted of crimes. Those acts were a regular part of the Christian world for centuries.

Thomas Paine was entirely justified in saying about the Bible: "It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it as I detest everything that is cruel."[14]

Teachings Inconsistent with the Laws of Nature

Many of the Bible's claims are inconsistent with the laws of nature. Humanists believe that those claims are both wrong and harmful.

Science and the Laws of Nature

As a result of human observation and experience, a fundamental principle of science is that the laws of nature do not change, cannot be violated, and have acted uniformly over time. According to paleontologist Stephen J. Gould, this uniformity or constancy of natural laws is the "methodological assumption" making science practicable.[15]

Indeed, without the assumption that the physical world operates according to unchanging natural laws, there would be no use studying the world, conducting experiments, or otherwise learning from experience.

In a world not operating under unvarying natural laws, those acts would be useless because knowledge of past events would not provide guidance about what will happen in similar situations in the future. There would always be the possibility of supernatural forces intervening to alter outcomes from what would otherwise be expected to occur based on past experience.

Overwhelming evidence shows that physical events occur according to immutable natural laws. And an increasing knowledge of those laws enhances humankind’s ability to predict future events and control human destiny.

The Bible and Supernatural Events

By claiming that supernatural beings intervene in the world, the Bible opposes the scientific principle of natural laws operating uniformly and unvaryingly. As a result, the Bible discourages a scientific approach to problems.

The Bible has stories about a talking snake (Genesis 3:4-5); a tree bearing fruit which, when eaten, gives knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17; 3:5-7); another tree whose fruit bestows immortality (Genesis 3:22); a voice coming from a burning bush (Exodus 3:4); a talking donkey (Numbers 22:28); rods turning into serpents (Exodus 7:10-12); water changing into blood (Exodus 7:19-22); water coming from a rock (Numbers 20:11); a dead man reviving when his corpse touched the bones of a prophet (II Kings 13:21); and other people rising from the dead (e.g., I Kings 17:21-22; II Kings 4:32-35; Acts 9:37-40).

There are also accounts of the sun standing still (Joshua 10:13); the parting of a sea (Exodus 14:21-22); iron floating (II Kings 6:5-6); the sun’s shadow going back ten degrees (II Kings 20:9-11); a witch bringing the ghost of Samuel back from the dead (I Samuel 28:3-15); disembodied fingers writing on a wall (Daniel 5:5); a man living for three days and nights in the belly of a fish (Jonah 1:17); people walking on water (Matthew 14:26-29); a virgin impregnated by God (Matthew 1:20); a pool of water that can cure ailments of those who dip in it (John 5:2-4); and angels and demons influencing earthly affairs (e.g., Acts 5:19; Luke 11:24-26).

These biblical myths support the belief, which has been held by primitive and illiterate people throughout history, that supernatural beings frequently and arbitrarily intervene in this world.

When examined in the light of experience and reason, the Bible’s claims about supernatural occurrences do not warrant belief. Our experience is that the natural world operates according to principles of regularity - which are never violated. We also know from experience that many people are often mistaken or dishonest. Thus, it's far more likely the Bible writers either erred or lied than the laws of nature were violated.

Harms of the Supernatural Outlook

Because of believing that supernatural beings control the world, people have often misdirected their energies in attempting to solve problems. Instead of studying the world to discover scientific solutions to problems, they performed religious activities in an effort to obtain the assistance of benevolent supernatural beings or thwart the influence of malicious ones.

This misdirection of energies is seen, for instance, in the history of the attempts to prevent the outbreak and spread of diseases in Europe. The historian Andrew White relates that, during many centuries in the Middle Ages, the filthiness of European cities repeatedly caused great plagues that sent multitudes to their graves.[16]

Based on biblical teachings, Christian theologians during those centuries thought the plagues were caused by the anger of God or the malevolence of Satan.[17] The Bible gave them ample support for their belief. It contains numerous instances of God punishing people by means of pestilence (e.g., Exodus 32:35; Numbers 16:44-49; Jeremiah 21:6). And in describing Jesus’ healing miracles, the New Testament attributes the following afflictions to demons: blindness (Matthew 12:22); muteness (Matthew 9:32-33); lameness (Luke 13:11,16); epilepsy (Matthew 17:14-18); and insanity (Mark 5:1-13).

Those teachings led the early church leaders to promote the idea that demonic activity is the primary cause of disease. For example, St. Augustine, whose views strongly influenced Western thought for over a thousand years, said in the fourth century: "All diseases of Christians are to be ascribed to these demons. . . ."[18]

With the coming of the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century, there was little change in the Christian attitude toward the causes of disease. Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, repeatedly attributed his own illnesses to "devils’ spells." He also stated: "Satan produces all the maladies which afflict mankind, for he is the prince of death."[19]

As a result of believing in supernatural causes of disease, theologians taught that plagues could be averted or stopped by seeking supernatural assistance. And the way to obtain God's help, they thought, was to perform religious acts. These included repenting from sin;[20] providing gifts to churches, monasteries, and shrines;[21] participating in religious processions;[22] attending church services (which often only increased the spread of disease);[23] and killing Jews and witches (since it was thought Satan used them as his agents in causing illness).[24] Religious leaders largely ignored the possibility of physical causes and cures of diseases.[25]

Science Bests Supernaturalism

White states that despite all the prayers, rituals, and other religious activities performed throughout the centuries, the frequency and severity of plagues did not diminish until scientific hygiene made its appearance. In regard to the hygienic improvements instituted during the second half of the nineteenth century, White explains: "[T]he sanitary authorities have in half a century done far more to reduce the rate of disease and death than has been done in fifteen hundred years by all the fetiches which theological reasoning could devise or ecclesiastical power enforce."[26]

The superior results of using science instead of religion can be seen in many other fields. Humanists therefore accept the scientific view that this world operates under unvarying natural laws that cannot be suspended by religious rituals or other means.

And Humanists esteem highly those who study this world and provide a better understanding of it. Unlike the theologians who focus on influencing supposed supernatural powers, persons using a scientific outlook have enabled great progress to be made in reducing misery and increasing happiness.

Incorrect Ideas About the Structure of the Physical World

Humanists also repudiate the Bible because of its mistaken ideas about the structure of the physical world. As is the case with the Bible’s statements opposing the laws of nature, the book’s views on this subject are similar to beliefs held by primitive and illiterate people throughout history.

Stationary Earth as the Center of the Universe

An erroneous Bible teaching caused Christian theologians to oppose Galileo’s proof that the earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun. In the sixteenth century, Copernicus proposed this theory about the double motion of the earth. In the following century, Galileo’s telescope proved that Copernicus had been right.

To oppose the Copernican doctrine and show that the earth remains stationary while the sun moves around it, the Catholic Church pointed to the tenth chapter of the book of Joshua.[27] There we are told that Joshua, in order to have a longer period of daylight in which to carry out the Lord’s command to slaughter the Amorites, ordered the sun to stand still – not the earth.

Other passages demonstrating that the earth remains stationary include Psalm 93:1 ("The world is [e]stablished, that it cannot be moved."); I Chronicles 16:30 ("[T]he world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."); and Psalm 104:5 (The Lord "laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever.").

Because of Galileo’s support for the Copernican doctrine, the Inquisition threatened him with torture, forced him to recant, and subjected him to imprisonment.[28] Additionally, for nearly 200 years the Catholic Church’s Index of Forbidden Books condemned all writings that affirmed the double motion of the earth.[29]

Protestants weren't much better. For generations the major branches of Protestantism – Lutheran, Calvinist, and Anglican – denounced the Copernican doctrine as contrary to scripture.[30]

A Flat Earth Resting on Pillars

The Bible supports the primitive notion of a flat earth. In the sixth century, a Christian monk named Cosmas wrote a book, titled Topographia Christiana, describing the structure of the physical world. Basing his views on the Bible, Cosmas said the earth is flat and surrounded by four seas.[31]

The prophecy at Revelation 1:7 was a basis for his conclusion. It states that when Christ returns, "every eye shall see him." Cosmas reasoned that if the earth were round, people on the other side would not see Christ’s second coming.[32]

Further support for the idea of a flat earth is contained in the verses mentioning the "four corners of the earth" (e.g., Isaiah 11:12; Revelation 7:1) and the "ends of the earth" (e.g., Jeremiah 16:19; Acts 13:47).

Because of such Bible teachings, most of the early church fathers thought the earth is flat.[33] In fact, the view of the world contained in Cosmas’ book was accepted for several centuries as orthodox Christian doctrine.[34] Even in the fifteenth century, when Christopher Columbus proposed to sail west from Spain to reach the East Indies, the biblical notion of a flat earth was a major source of opposition to him.[35]

As for the question of what holds the flat earth in place, the Bible indicates the answer is "pillars." The pillars of the earth are mentioned in several verses in the Old Testament (I Samuel 2:8; Psalm 75:3; Job 9:6). These verses reflect the belief of the ancient Hebrews that the earth rests upon pillars.[36]

Sky a Solid Dome Containing Windows

The Bible promotes the idea that the sky is a solid dome covering the earth. In the creation account given in the first chapter of Genesis, verse 17 says the Lord set the sun and moon "in the firmament" to provide light for the earth. The Hebrew word translated as firmament is raqia, which means "hammered metal."[37]

More support for the notion of a domed earth is found at Job 37:18 (where the sky is described as like a "molten lookingglass"); Isaiah 40:22 (God "stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"); and Revelation 6:14 ("And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together.").

This concept of the sky was common in the ancient Near East and taken for granted by the Bible writers.[38] Based on the Bible, most of the early church fathers accepted the notion of the firmament.[39] The same position was supported by Cosmas, and thus was part of orthodox Christian doctrine for several centuries.[40]

Orthodox doctrine also contained the related idea that the firmament has windows - which are opened by angels when God wants to send rain upon the earth. Cosmas believed that when the windows are opened, some of the waters contained above the firmament (which are mentioned at Genesis 1:17) fall to the earth. Cosmas’ basis for this belief was the statement, at Genesis 7:11-12, that at the time of the Noachian flood the "windows of heaven were opened" and the rain fell.[41]

Supernatural Signs in the Heavens

Bible stories led the Christian world to believe - for centuries - that God sends humankind signs in the heavens.

Christians thought comets warn of divine anger and imminent punishment;[42] stars and meteors portend beneficial events such as the birth of heroes and great men;[43] eclipses signify divine distress in response to events on earth;[44] and storms and other destructive weather result from the anger of God or the malice of Satan.[45]

Additional Errors About the Physical World

The Bible has verses mentioning dragons (Jeremiah 51:34), unicorns (Isaiah 34:7), and <snip>atrices (Isaiah 11:8). These passages led many naturalists in the Middle Ages to think such mythical creatures actually exist.[46]

The Bible is also incorrect in saying the bat is a bird (Leviticus 11:13,19), the hare and rock badger chew the cud (Leviticus 11:5-6), and the mustard seed "is the smallest of all seeds" (Matthew 13:32).

Finally, it's inconsistent with science - and ludicrous - to believe that God confounded the language of humans because he was afraid they would build a tower high enough to reach heaven (Genesis 11:1-9).

Overall Effect of Bible Science

White summarizes the historical results of relying on the Bible for answers about the physical world. It's not a pretty sight: "[T]here were developed, in every field, theological views of science which have never led to a single truth – which, without exception, have forced mankind away from the truth, and have caused Christendom to stumble for centuries into abysses of error and sorrow."[47]

In view of the Bible’s numerous mistaken beliefs about the physical world, there's no reason to think its writers were any more correct about unseen and abstract matters. Being so greatly in error regarding the tangible and observable universe, the Bible cannot be considered a reliable guide for spiritual and ethical issues.

False Prophecies

Prophecies in the Bible further strengthen the Humanist view. Because many of the prophecies turned out to be false, they prove the Bible is not inerrant.

The Bible itself contains a test for determining whether a prophecy was inspired by God. Deuteronomy 18:22 explains: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Applying this test to the Bible leads to one conclusion: the book contains many statements that were not inspired by God.

Old Testament Prophecies

Genesis 2:17 says the Lord warned Adam and Eve about the fruit contained on the tree of knowledge. He stated: "[I]n the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." According to Genesis chapter 3, however, Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and didn't die on that day.

Genesis 35:10 claims that God told Jacob: "[T]hy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name. . . ." But 11 chapters later, the Lord’s own act proved his prediction to be wrong. Genesis 46:2 relates: "God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I."

At II Chronicles 1:12, God promised Solomon: "Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like."

As Robert Ingersoll pointed out in the nineteenth century, there were several kings in Solomon’s day who could have thrown away the value of Palestine without missing the amount.[48] And the wealth of Solomon has been exceeded by many later kings and is small by today’s standards.[49]

Isaiah 17:1-2 prophesies that Damascus would cease to be a city, become a heap of ruins, and remain forever desolate. Yet some 27 centuries after the prediction was made, Damascus is one of the oldest cities in the world and is still going strong.

Jeremiah 25:11 predicts the Jews would be captives in Babylon for 70 years, and II Chronicles 36:20-21 views the prophecy as fulfilled. But the Jews were taken into captivity by the Chaldeans when Jerusalem fell in 586 B.C.E. And Cyrus of Persia issued an order in 538 B.C.E. allowing them to return from Babylon to Judah. Thus, the Babylonian captivity lasted about 48 years.[50]

Examples of other unfulfilled Old Testament prophecies include the following: the Jews will occupy the land from the Nile to the Euphrates (Genesis 15:18); they shall never lose their land and shall be disturbed no more (II Samuel 7:10); King David’s throne and kingdom shall be established forever (II Samuel 7:16); no uncircumcised person will ever enter Jerusalem (Isaiah 52:1); and the waters of Egypt will dry up (Isaiah 19:5-7).

New Testament Prophecies

In applying the Bible’s test for identifying false prophets, the conclusion is inescapable that Jesus was one of them. For example, he was wrong in predicting the world would end within the lifetime of his followers.

At Matthew 16:28, Jesus tells his disciples: "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." The people who were standing there all died eventually, and they never saw Jesus return to establish a kingdom.

Similarly, Jesus is depicted at Mark 13:24-30 as listing signs that shall accompany the end of the world. These include the sun becoming darkened, the moon not giving any light, the stars of heaven falling, the son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory, and angels gathering the elect. Then Jesus announces: "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done." His generation passed away long ago without the predicted events occurring.

Jesus also erred in predicting the amount of time he would be in the tomb. At Matthew 12:40 he teaches: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Mark 15:42-45 shows that Jesus died on a Friday afternoon. But Mark 16:9 and Matthew 28:1 tell us he left the tomb sometime on Saturday night or Sunday morning. Either way, the amount of time was less than three nights.

Another significant false prophecy is at John 14:13-14. Jesus promises: "Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." Everyone knows there have been millions of instances where Jesus failed to respond to Christians who asked for things in his name. And the graveyards are full of people who prayed to him for health.

As is the case with other incorrect statements in the Bible, false prophecies cast doubt on all biblical claims. If one verse in the Bible is wrong, it's possible for many verses to be wrong.

Inaccurate Statements About History

The Bible's false statements about history also bolster the Humanist position. Historians and other scholars have exposed many of the Bible's claims as historically inaccurate.

History and the Old Testament

Historians have long known that the biblical story of a worldwide flood is a myth. For instance, Andrew White says nineteenth-century Egyptologists found that Egypt had a flourishing civilization long before Noah, and no flood had ever interrupted it.[51]

The book of Exodus claims to contain a historical record of the escape of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. But historians and archaeologists have been unable to verify any of the events described in the book. No known Egyptian records refer to the biblical Moses, the devastating plagues God supposedly inflicted on the country, the escape of the Hebrew slaves, or the drowning of the Egyptian army.[52] Further, White tells us the records contained on Egyptian monuments show that the pharaoh ruling at the time of the alleged escape of the Jews was certainly not overwhelmed in the Red Sea.[53]

The book of Esther purports to describe how a young Jewish girl named Esther was chosen by the Persian king Xerxes I to be queen after he had divorced Vashti. Although historians know a great deal about Xerxes I, there is no record that he had a Jewish queen named Esther or was married to Vashti.[54]

Additionally, the book of Esther describes the Persian empire as having 127 provinces, but historians maintain there was no such division of the empire.[55] Also contrary to the book of Esther, historians assure us Xerxes did not order Jews in his territories to attack his Persian subjects.[56]

The book of Daniel describes events that supposedly happened during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews. The fifth chapter states that Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian king, was succeeded on the throne by his son Belshazzar. But historians tell us Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar and was never king.[57]

The book of Daniel also says one "Darius the Mede" captured Babylon in the sixth century B.C.E. In contrast, historians know that Cyrus of Persia took Babylon.[58]

History and the New Testament

In the New Testament, the second chapter of Luke asserts that shortly before the birth of Jesus, the emperor Augustus ordered a census throughout the Roman world. Luke claims that every person had to travel to the town of his ancestors for the census to be taken. He identifies the census as the reason for Joseph and Mary traveling from Nazareth to Bethlehem, where Jesus is said to have been born.

In his book Gospel Fictions, Randall Helms says this type of census was never taken in the history of the Roman Empire. He points out it's ridiculous to think the practical Romans would require millions of people to travel enormous distances - to towns of long-deceased ancestors - merely to sign a tax form.[59] Likewise, in Asimov’s Guide to the Bible, Isaac Asimov affirms that the Romans would certainly arrange no such census.[60]

The third chapter of Luke contains a genealogy tracing Christ’s ancestry back only 76 generations to Adam. According to Genesis chapter 1, Adam was created along with the rest of the universe during the course of one week.

The Bible thus views the human race and the universe as having existed for a relatively short period, probably no more than several thousand years. In fact, for many centuries the orthodox Christian position - to doubt which was to risk <snip>ation - was that the creation took place sometime between four and six thousand years before Christ’s birth.[61]

Historians and scientists give a much longer historical record. They say the universe is between 10 and 20 billion years old,[62] the earth’s age is approximately 4.6 billion years,[63] and humans evolved from ape-like ancestors during the last few million years.[64]

Matthew chapter 2 avers that shortly after the birth of Jesus, King Herod ordered the massacre of all male children two years of age or under in Bethlehem and its vicinity. In the book of Luke, which contains the only other New Testament story of Jesus’ birth, there is no mention of this horribly cruel order. It's also not recorded in any secular histories from the time – not even by writers who carefully described many far less wicked deeds of Herod.[65] The lack of corroboration means Matthew’s account was fabricated.

Matthew 27:45 alleges that while Jesus was on the cross, there fell over the whole land a darkness lasting from midday until three in the afternoon. Andrew White explains that although Romans such as Seneca and Pliny carefully described much less striking occurrences of the same sort in more remote regions, they failed to note any such darkness occurring even in Judea.[66]

Robert Ingersoll wondered why the first-century Jewish historian Josephus, "the best historian the Hebrews produced, said nothing about the life or death of Christ; nothing about the massacre of the infants by Herod; not one word about the wonderful star that visited the sky at the birth of Christ; nothing about the darkness that fell upon the world for several hours in the midst of day; and failed entirely to mention that hundreds of graves were opened, and that multitudes of Jews rose from the dead, and visited the Holy City?" Ingersoll also asked, "Is it not wonderful that no historian ever mentioned any of these prodigies?"[67]

Ingersoll’s questions are even more forceful when one considers that there still exist at least some of the works of more than 60 historians or chroniclers who lived in the period from 10 C.E. to 100 C.E.[68] Those writers were contemporaries of Jesus, if in fact he ever lived.

Finally, the previously discussed contradictions can be cited as examples of historical inaccuracies. In each instance where the Bible contains a contradiction about an alleged historical event, at least one of the accounts is wrong.

The Bible writers were poor historians, let alone conveyers of messages from an infallible God.

Other Problems with the Bible

There are other reasons why the Bible should not be considered the word of God. They include, but are not limited to: the fact that we don't know who wrote most of it;[69] the fact that much of it was written many years - and in some cases many centuries – after the events it purports to describe;[70] its obscene passages; and its promises of eternal rewards for the ignorant and credulous and everlasting punishment for skeptics and investigators.

Finally, the harm that the Bible causes in people's personal lives should be mentioned as a reason for rejecting the book. It's not uncommon to see media reports about Bible believers committing bizarre, injurious, and sometimes deadly acts.

Some people use Bible verses to justify beating children, withholding medical treatment, handling snakes, drinking poison, chopping off body parts, plucking out eyes, driving out demons, withdrawing from the affairs of this world, renouncing the pleasures of life, and expecting the world to end.

If the Bible were not viewed as God's word, these acts would occur much less often.

Conclusion

Many compelling and morally sound reasons support the Humanist position that the Bible is not divinely inspired. Instead of being inerrant, the Bible has far more errors and immoral teachings than most other books.

By treating this mistake-ridden book as the word of God, humanity has been led down many paths of error and misery throughout history. In too many ways, the Bible continues to produce such results.

But in some cases, the errors caused by the Bible have been corrected and the harms have been stopped. This happened when a scientific approach was applied to problems. Science involves relying on reason, observation, experience, and compassion - rather than blindly accepting religious or secular dogma.

We should reject the views of those who say the Bible has infallible answers to today’s problems. As Humanists know, science has proved to be a much better source for answers.

 

--Jimmy4164

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

joke

Your the unfreaking believable one around here.  Like the old saying, you got to stand for something

or you will fall for anything.   99% inconsistencies, hmmmmm,  inconsistent with what?  It must be with

what you believe not me.  I have no trouble sorting out what I belive.  I have gotten along fine without

you for years.  I predict that I will continue doing so in the future.  Sorry but I must pass on your inept

teachings, I am just not interested. 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 10, 2011

joke

Your the unfreaking believable one around here.  Like the old saying, you got to stand for something

or you will fall for anything.   99% inconsistencies, hmmmmm,  inconsistent with what?  It must be with

what you believe not me.  I have no trouble sorting out what I belive.  I have gotten along fine without

you for years.  I predict that I will continue doing so in the future.  Sorry but I must pass on your inept

teachings, I am just not interested. 

RL

Until you and the other 38,000 brainwashed religions can prove to me that you're sane and correct, you're just another Koolaid drinking follower. So sad to see you this way. You and Ridge need to get serious help. Especially that two bit hillbilly who doesn't want to educate himself. He's a racist moron with as much intelligent as the dingleberry up my butt. You're not far behind.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

If someone would just nuke that thing out of existence, then the ones who hate "The People of the Book" would make no hadj, have no reason to exist, better world for the rest of us, no?

24 empty launcher tubes

a mushroom cloud

and now, it's Miller time

Maybe If someone nuked all the churches we wouldn't have sorry losers like you and Ridge, blind as bats and dumb as doornails. You religious idiots slow down the progress of this country with your stoneage mentalities. Fairies and goblins rule your pathetic world. Grow up and join the 21st century....DUMBASS.

You can't even get the QP thing right even after others here in LP tried to set your puny mind straight....LOSER !

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

You don't consider this post by joker to rdgrnr insulting?:

____________________________________________

Ridge, I have a life and gotta go to bed and work tomorrow.

You're nothing but a tool. You're an insecure individual who needs his safety blanket to feel good about himself. Maybe you should seek the truth instead of blindly following something that makes about as much sense as your responses in this thread.

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

And one other thing before I go to sleep, stick to your comedy schtick, cause your self appointed representation of Christianity is embarrasing to even the low profile Christians. They would've voted you out a long time ago.

___________________________________________

PC never goes both ways. "You have to let me say what I want to say so we can all practice tolerance......but you can't say what you want to."

Pathetic.

I love how you and that dumb broad the DOC come here and show your low level of intelligence pointing to me as the instigator and name calling but It's totally OK with you dingbats when Ridge started this whole crap with the gutless coward BS. Maybe you should keep your crock smother shut If you don't have a clue loser.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

You don't consider this insulting?

You're a simpleton hippy mountain folk who has as much clue as the old fools you endear so much within the pages of the fairytales you put so much credence in.

_____________________________________

Or is this one of those deals where saying such a thing is OK for one party, but if the other party says something along the same lines the are a <GASP> hater? That's about akin to a mugger finding out their intended victim is armed. "Oh I was just going to ask you for a few dollars, I didn't know you were packng."

Scared

What is really quite entertaining in this non-ending sidetracked thread is that some of the Doubting Thomases (religiously) are the very same folk who insist a system exists to beat the lottery.

Quite entertaining.

He deserves name calling because he started this schmidt.  You're not a simpleton, you're simply an idiot. What a moron !

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 10, 2011

"I'll give you some credit for being more articulate..."

 

Hey Joker! The princess says I'm more articulate than you!

Pssst! I think the honeymoon's over.

He's throwing you under the bus just like you did to little mario!

Wow. You America-hating, Christian-hating atheists really are birds of a feather, ain'tcha?. 

You are as articulate as a retarded monkey who recently had a Labotomy. Any Christian wannabe like you who believes in nonsense has got to be retarded.

DUH...I believe in imaginary beings that will judge everyone else but me....DUH....which way did he go Charlie...DUH...I'm just a simple redneck loser who don't no better cause I'm mentally challenged. I believ in Santa and the angels that are here to help me in time of need. I can't think for myself and don't need no one to burst my bubble cause I gotta good gig here. I just believe in garbage and so it must be true.

You're a defenseless puppy with no freaking clue. I got a bridge to sell you, really cheap. Oh boy, they saw Ridge coming.....He's like Mikey, he'll believ any fairytale story you tell him. You are why this country is going down hill. Backward mentality losers like you who live in the stone age.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

You are as articulate as a retarded monkey who recently had a Labotomy. Any Christian wannabe like you who believes in nonsense has got to be retarded.

DUH...I believe in imaginary beings that will judge everyone else but me....DUH....which way did he go Charlie...DUH...I'm just a simple redneck loser who don't no better cause I'm mentally challenged. I believ in Santa and the angels that are here to help me in time of need. I can't think for myself and don't need no one to burst my bubble cause I gotta good gig here. I just believe in garbage and so it must be true.

You're a defenseless puppy with no freaking clue. I got a bridge to sell you, really cheap. Oh boy, they saw Ridge coming.....He's like Mikey, he'll believ any fairytale story you tell him. You are why this country is going down hill. Backward mentality losers like you who live in the stone age.

I guess you would be the authority on stoneage culture having been born into it.

But guess what, Mahmoud?

You ain't gonna be beating any women in my country, pally.

You'll act like a civilized human being while you're here or it's back to your cave in the desert.

Believe that.

joker17

Don't bother Jimmy. Ridge won't read all that info you posted. He can't handle anything that may shatter his pathetic brainwashed world. It's too cozy to give up. He'll never ever read it because he's too busy thinking about the next 4th grade remark. That's all he's good for.

I've posted tons and tons of evidence including compelling proof of Plagiarism, proof of evolution, and many other material like contradictions. He has absolutely no interest. His main goal is to be happy as a moronic follower with no basis to back it up. But he also wants everyone who sees his pathetic stance to take him seriously.

That's like telling everyone you're blind, but try to insist those very same people that you can fly a plane. That goes beyond delusional....that's being insane.

But I do have to draw the line between insane and clueless. Ridge is worse than insane. I'd rather be insane than clueless. At least I can claim unfit to reason with anyone If I'm insane.

 Ridge is clueless, and that's worse....

Clueless in this case means that even when you've presented yourself as the village idiot, you continue trying to convince those same people you right with nothing to back it up.

Clueless Dumbass. Scary...!!!!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

I guess you would be the authority on stoneage culture having been born into it.

But guess what, Mahmoud?

You ain't gonna be beating any women in my country, pally.

You'll act like a civilized human being while you're here or it's back to your cave in the desert.

Believe that.

I don't have to beat any women. I just have to make fun of a gullible and poor example of the human  like you are. Backward and a simpleton. That's all you are and that's all you'll ever be.

This country would've been light years ahead If it weren't like stone aged, scared twits like you and so many others on this planet with their fantasy stories in all religions. This Earth is filled with religious brainwashed fanatics who create wars for decades over who's God is who and this land was given to me and that land is yours.

You're all bringing the world down with your stupid crap. WAKE UP !

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Maybe If someone nuked all the churches we wouldn't have sorry losers like you and Ridge, blind as bats and dumb as doornails. You religious idiots slow down the progress of this country with your stoneage mentalities. Fairies and goblins rule your pathetic world. Grow up and join the 21st century....DUMBASS.

You can't even get the QP thing right even after others here in LP tried to set your puny mind straight....LOSER !

Oh, this is rich. Want to talk about slowing down the progress of a country when the Shah got ousted, the religious police and Ayatollha took over, and all the technology in the oil fields just sat there going to waste?

I think when you were a kid in pistachio land you had run ins with the religious police and promised yourself you'd take it out on "them" if you ever got the chance, but of course, you couldn't do it over there.

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joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

Oh, this is rich. Want to talk about slowing down the progress of a country when the Shah got ousted, the religious police and Ayatollha took over, and all the technology in the oil fields just sat there going to waste?

I think when you were a kid in pistachio land you had run ins with the religious police and promised yourself you'd take it out on "them" if you ever got the chance, but of course, you couldn't do it over there.

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The chance of any post getting read is directly inversely proportional to the length of the post.

Well no schmidt Sherlock! You're proving my point dumbass. You're beginning to be worse than Ridge....

It's not just the Christians. How many FREAKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO KEEP WRITING THIS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR COMPREHENSION COIN?

OK, let me repeat this for the 15,000th time.......I don't subscribe to ANY RELIGIONS........"ANY" IS THE OPERATIVE WORD.......

 

I truly feel I'm talking to a brick wall. Seriously guys, you're draining me.....

joker17

@ Truecritic,

Don't bother. The only thing Ridge can understand is 4th grade insults.

He'd still be living in a cave If it weren't for Technology. He'd be scratching his ass, picking his nose in a cave wondering why he smells to high Heaven.

Religious morons like to benefit from Technology. Then in the same breath they discount it when it fits their agenda. And then there are a few who use Science to prove their point, all the while failing miserably.....WHAT?

I love my air conditioned room. The 375 channels of bullshmidt, a remote, some ravioli I heated up in a MICROWAVE, but science is a bunch of huey.

Ridge loves his gadgets, but hates Science. That's why I call him a dumbass clueless........

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 10, 2011

Until you and the other 38,000 brainwashed religions can prove to me that you're sane and correct, you're just another Koolaid drinking follower. So sad to see you this way. You and Ridge need to get serious help. Especially that two bit hillbilly who doesn't want to educate himself. He's a racist moron with as much intelligent as the dingleberry up my butt. You're not far behind.

Correction....* Intelligence...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

For someone who says they are agnostic you sure do get upset that other people don't believe, or not believe, they way you do or don't.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

joker17,

For someone who says they are agnostic you sure do get upset that other people don't believe, or not believe, they way you do or don't.

Yeah, it makes so much sense that joker just happened to choose Christianity as his enemy when islam is swarming over Europe to bring them the wonders of living in the stoneage under shariah law while setting their sights on us next.

The koran says it's ok to lie to infidels like us to further the cause of islam.

Joker is not the agnostic he claims to be.

He's something radically different.

And the seething hatred he holds for Christians and Americans will only stay bottled up for so long.

Ever hear of somebody packing up and moving clear across the whole country to work as a cabdriver?

A cabdriver that once rented a house in the desert next to a nuclear power plant and sought employment there?

Joker's going to do just that.

Yep, seems perfectly normal to me too.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

Oh, this is rich. Want to talk about slowing down the progress of a country when the Shah got ousted, the religious police and Ayatollha took over, and all the technology in the oil fields just sat there going to waste?

I think when you were a kid in pistachio land you had run ins with the religious police and promised yourself you'd take it out on "them" if you ever got the chance, but of course, you couldn't do it over there.

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject the Bible

Wink

I'm sure anyone who has risked mashing down on your link has read your propaganda already.

How many more times would you like them to read it?

Or are you still trying to get certain people (Wink) to mash it?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

I guess you would be the authority on stoneage culture having been born into it.

But guess what, Mahmoud?

You ain't gonna be beating any women in my country, pally.

You'll act like a civilized human being while you're here or it's back to your cave in the desert.

Believe that.

rdgrnr,

You pathetically miss the point that both the Bible and the Quran are based on [similar] outrageous ideas from a primitive time.  There is no need for non-believers to point out the negatives of the religion of Islam here; you have that covered.

"You ain't gonna be beating any women in my country, pally."

From the article linked above that you've ignored...

Cruelties

Humanists also reject the Bible because it approves of outrageous cruelty and injustice. In civilized legal systems, a fundamental principle is that the suffering of the innocent is the essence of injustice. Yet the Bible teaches that God repeatedly violated this moral precept by harming innocent people.

Cruelty in Basic Christian Teachings

Instances of cruel and unjust behavior by the biblical God are seen in the most basic Christian doctrines. Some of God’s acts that harmed the innocent are as follows.

He <snip>ed the whole human race and cursed the entire creation because of the acts of two people (Genesis 3:16-23; Romans 5:18); he drowned pregnant women and innocent children and animals at the time of the Flood (Genesis 7:20-23); he tormented the Egyptians and their animals with hail and disease because pharaoh refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt (Exodus 9:8-11,25); and he killed Egyptian babies at the time of the Passover (Exodus 12:29-30).

After the Exodus he ordered the Israelites to exterminate the men, women, and children of seven nations and steal their land (Deuteronomy 7:1-2); he killed King David’s baby because of David’s adultery with Bathsheba (II Samuel 12:13-18); he required the torture and murder of his own son (e.g., Romans 3:24-25); and he promised to send non-Christians to eternal torture (e.g., Revelation 21:8).

-------End of excerpt-------

--Jimmy4164

jimmy4164

P.S.  If this is propaganda, please point out which of the Bible passages have been misinterpreted.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

rdgrnr,

You pathetically miss the point that both the Bible and the Quran are based on [similar] outrageous ideas from a primitive time.  There is no need for non-believers to point out the negatives of the religion of Islam here; you have that covered.

"You ain't gonna be beating any women in my country, pally."

From the article linked above that you've ignored...

Cruelties

Humanists also reject the Bible because it approves of outrageous cruelty and injustice. In civilized legal systems, a fundamental principle is that the suffering of the innocent is the essence of injustice. Yet the Bible teaches that God repeatedly violated this moral precept by harming innocent people.

Cruelty in Basic Christian Teachings

Instances of cruel and unjust behavior by the biblical God are seen in the most basic Christian doctrines. Some of God’s acts that harmed the innocent are as follows.

He <snip>ed the whole human race and cursed the entire creation because of the acts of two people (Genesis 3:16-23; Romans 5:18); he drowned pregnant women and innocent children and animals at the time of the Flood (Genesis 7:20-23); he tormented the Egyptians and their animals with hail and disease because pharaoh refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt (Exodus 9:8-11,25); and he killed Egyptian babies at the time of the Passover (Exodus 12:29-30).

After the Exodus he ordered the Israelites to exterminate the men, women, and children of seven nations and steal their land (Deuteronomy 7:1-2); he killed King David’s baby because of David’s adultery with Bathsheba (II Samuel 12:13-18); he required the torture and murder of his own son (e.g., Romans 3:24-25); and he promised to send non-Christians to eternal torture (e.g., Revelation 21:8).

-------End of excerpt-------

--Jimmy4164

"...and he killed Egyptian babies..."

 

A liberal complaining about babies being killed?  It's a miracle!

Abortion in this country alone makes the Egyptian experience look like a walk in the park but all I'm hearing from the humanaters on that is crickets.

Does your hypocrisy have any bounds at all? 

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

P.S.  If this is propaganda, please point out which of the Bible passages have been misinterpreted.

Misinterpreted Bible passages don't define propaganda and you know it.

Don't dally with me if that's all you've got.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

"...and he killed Egyptian babies..."

 

A liberal complaining about babies being killed?  It's a miracle!

Abortion in this country alone makes the Egyptian experience look like a walk in the park but all I'm hearing from the humanaters on that is crickets.

Does your hypocrisy have any bounds at all? 

It's the dementia - isn't it?

What does your answer have to do with acknowledging the honesty of what is in the Bible vs other religions?  Focus.  Focus.  Focus.  TRY and stay somewhat on topic for replies.  Obviously there are other deaths than just those in the Bible - Joker mentions 20,000 babies per day and you don't give a dam.   But now, suddenly, babies/abortions become important when you decide to mention them?

As far as having something covered, you have covered all the lies with these key words:

Libs, Queers, Hypocrite/Hypocrisy, Liar, etc;  You just open your mouth and magically you falsely accuse  people and feel no shame - in fact you gloat at your ability to even say those big-boy words!  Wow.  What a piece of work you are! 

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

I'm sure anyone who has risked mashing down on your link has read your propaganda already.

How many more times would you like them to read it?

Or are you still trying to get certain people (Wink) to mash it?

"I'm sure anyone who has risked mashing down on your link.."

Wow! Really right up on computer terms...I've NEVER even heard a third grader say something so stupid!

Mash?  Mash?....oh yeah, that is something you feed chickens there in the hills of TN!

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Cartoon Truths

Religion Of Peace

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 11, 2011

It's the dementia - isn't it?

What does your answer have to do with acknowledging the honesty of what is in the Bible vs other religions?  Focus.  Focus.  Focus.  TRY and stay somewhat on topic for replies.  Obviously there are other deaths than just those in the Bible - Joker mentions 20,000 babies per day and you don't give a dam.   But now, suddenly, babies/abortions become important when you decide to mention them?

As far as having something covered, you have covered all the lies with these key words:

Libs, Queers, Hypocrite/Hypocrisy, Liar, etc;  You just open your mouth and magically you falsely accuse  people and feel no shame - in fact you gloat at your ability to even say those big-boy words!  Wow.  What a piece of work you are! 

"...suddenly, babies/abortions become important when you decide to mention them?"

 

Uh... Are you comatose, princess?

He brought up babies, not me.

He's the one who put value on them in this one instance when he thought it served his purpose and I called him out on it and as usual he disappeared.

Try making it through one whole day with your head out of your ass, will ya?

See if that helps with your reading and comprehension skills, twinkletoes.

Otherwise just shut up and mind your own business.

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Might as well post some other (real) humor before returning to our regularly scheduled belittling put-downs by rdgrnr!

An explorer in the deepest Amazon suddenly finds himself surrounded by a bloodthirsty group of natives. Upon surveying the situation, he says quietly to himself, "Oh God, I'm screwed!"

There is a ray of light from heaven and a voice booms out, "No, you are NOT screwed. Pick up that stone at your feet and bash in the head of the chief standing in front of you."

So the explorer picks up the stone and proceeds to bash the living heck out of the chief.

As he stands above the lifeless body, breathing heavily and surrounded by 100 natives with a look of shock on their faces, God's voice booms out again, "Okay...NOW you're screwed."

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

"...suddenly, babies/abortions become important when you decide to mention them?"

 

Uh... Are you comatose, princess?

He brought up babies, not me.

He's the one who put value on them in this one instance when he thought it served his purpose and I called him out on it and as usual he disappeared.

Try making it through one whole day with your head out of your ass, will ya?

See if that helps with your reading and comprehension skills, twinkletoes.

Otherwise just shut up and mind your own business.

Your the one that doesn't give a crap about religion, nonplus, as I recall!  Yet you try to make like you are protecting Christianity?  What a laugh!

What do you know, the shoe fits...

Try making it through one whole day with your head out of your ass, will ya? See if that helps with your reading and comprehension skills, twinkletoes. Otherwise just shut up.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 11, 2011

Your the one that doesn't give a crap about religion, nonplus, as I recall!  Yet you try to make like you are protecting Christianity?  What a laugh!

What do you know, the shoe fits...

Try making it through one whole day with your head out of your ass, will ya? See if that helps with your reading and comprehension skills, twinkletoes. Otherwise just shut up.

You, princess, are a buffoon.

Your posts don't make any sense.

Try reading them once in a while and you'll see.

I got no time for the nonsense.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

You, princess, are a buffoon.

Your posts don't make any sense.

Try reading them once in a while and you'll see.

I got no time for the nonsense.

"I got no time for the nonsense."

Why?  Are you busy brushing your tooth?

 

What a fitting comment for you:

You, princess, are a buffoon.  Your posts don't make any sense.  Go ahead and run off.  Can we consider that your promise not to come back too?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 11, 2011

"I got no time for the nonsense."

Why?  Are you busy brushing your tooth?

 

What a fitting comment for you:

You, princess, are a buffoon.  Your posts don't make any sense.  Go ahead and run off.  Can we consider that your promise not to come back too?

I think rdgrnr and Zeno would get along just fine.  An observer might have difficulty determining who from what!  Smile On the other hand, rdgrnr might be uncomfortable having a meaningful conversation with a male, so maybe we should introduce him to Bina.  Actually, if he reads the article he will probably fall in love with Aiko!  Her current bo probably has no need to worry about that possibility though...

http://tinyurl.com/3lubyln

P.S.  Don't worry about the tinyurl - it's benign.  You'll see why I had to use it at LP when you get there...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject the Bible

Wink

Pleast tell me, when there's a disaster or a tragedy and aid goes pouring into the location, I've never once seen any group of secular humanists, atheitsts, or agnostics involved, have you?

Speaks volumes.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

Pleast tell me, when there's a disaster or a tragedy and aid goes pouring into the location, I've never once seen any group of secular humanists, atheitsts, or agnostics involved, have you?

Speaks volumes.

You really should do your homework before spouting off nonsense!

http://www.americanhumanist.org/news/details/2010-01-godless-charities-funds-disaster-relief-effort

Must I post more links or can I count on you to insert "americanhumanist.org disaster relief" into your Google search box and report back here with an apology to AHA?

 

P.S.  Compare the % of GDP donated to charity of Swedes compared to Americans here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_charitable_countries

Then, look up the percentage of people who profess religious beliefs and attend church in the two countries.  And THEN, go figure!

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Strange how they supposedely do all that and yet are invisible when things occur.Fpr a real good glimpse of how that all workes out in the real world go visit New Harmony, Indiana, or at least read up on its history.

 How about administrative costs? Nobody can even come close to the efficiency of the Salvation Army on that one.

On a local scale , I live in a college town, full of liberals. Everday you get cut off in traffic by some clod with one of those "Co-exist" bumper stickers with the letters spelled out with symbols of different religions.

We have a recycling center, usually full of people with Green Party bumper stickers. They care about the environment but aren't worth a hoot dealing with other people. They gridlock the place because they don't want to carry a few things to the next bin so they drive up to each one and then block the exit on the way out.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

Strange how they supposedely do all that and yet are invisible when things occur.Fpr a real good glimpse of how that all workes out in the real world go visit New Harmony, Indiana, or at least read up on its history.

 How about administrative costs? Nobody can even come close to the efficiency of the Salvation Army on that one.

On a local scale , I live in a college town, full of liberals. Everday you get cut off in traffic by some clod with one of those "Co-exist" bumper stickers with the letters spelled out with symbols of different religions.

We have a recycling center, usually full of people with Green Party bumper stickers. They care about the environment but aren't worth a hoot dealing with other people. They gridlock the place because they don't want to carry a few things to the next bin so they drive up to each one and then block the exit on the way out.

actions speak louder than words.(bumper stickers)

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

You really should do your homework before spouting off nonsense!

http://www.americanhumanist.org/news/details/2010-01-godless-charities-funds-disaster-relief-effort

Must I post more links or can I count on you to insert "americanhumanist.org disaster relief" into your Google search box and report back here with an apology to AHA?

 

P.S.  Compare the % of GDP donated to charity of Swedes compared to Americans here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_charitable_countries

Then, look up the percentage of people who profess religious beliefs and attend church in the two countries.  And THEN, go figure!

What would possess people to respond to my post with pathetic cliches when they have nothing of substance with which to rebut the facts?  We could assume at least a modicum of intellect if they would just keep quiet.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

What would possess people to respond to my post with pathetic cliches when they have nothing of substance with which to rebut the facts?  We could assume at least a modicum of intellect if they would just keep quiet.

Well, Nancy, maybe it's because when we rebut your "facts" you immediately change your avatar and go offline and hide until that page is buried and then you come back later with new "facts".

The princess likes to run and hide when the goin' gets tough too.

I got no problem with that. That's your fragile, delicate, feminine nature.

Just don't act like it ain't true.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

Well, Nancy, maybe it's because when we rebut your "facts" you immediately change your avatar and go offline and hide until that page is buried and then you come back later with new "facts".

The princess likes to run and hide when the goin' gets tough too.

I got no problem with that. That's your fragile, delicate, feminine nature.

Just don't act like it ain't true.

You're not here right now, so I figure things got too tough for you and you went to "handle" your fragile, delicate, feminine nature.

Just don't act like it ain't true.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

joker17,

For someone who says they are agnostic you sure do get upset that other people don't believe, or not believe, they way you do or don't.

Wrong again and again and again and again and again and again......

I'll say this again for the 214th time. I've said many times over that I don't give two schmidts what you or any other person believes. Stay Ignorant If you want, I don't CARE !

What pisses me off is when a shallow individual like Ridge comes along, calling people names while twisting words and meanings around to benefit his warped brain function, and keeps failing over and over. He insults even the most articulate in the bunch like Truecritic and Jimmy. I actually feel good about this because It proves to me I'm not confused about my stance. Thank THOR, that logic and reasoning hasn't died.

Cointoss, I get upset with stupidity, not religious beliefs.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 11, 2011

Pleast tell me, when there's a disaster or a tragedy and aid goes pouring into the location, I've never once seen any group of secular humanists, atheitsts, or agnostics involved, have you?

Speaks volumes.

But doesn't God love those people too? or does he just love lottery winner wannabe's?

You miss the entire picture so badly it's like teaching a donkey how to play a violin.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 11, 2011

What would possess people to respond to my post with pathetic cliches when they have nothing of substance with which to rebut the facts?  We could assume at least a modicum of intellect if they would just keep quiet.

Well, Nancy, maybe it's because when we rebut your "facts" you immediately change your avatar and go offline and hide until that page is buried and then you come back later with new "facts".

 

Jimmy, even though your quote above was towards Cointoss, it can still be applied to Ridge as well. Except in Ridge's case it's not cliches, it's 4th grade responses.

On one hand, Coin is simply clueless, and Ridge is also clueless but also a dumbass.

joker17

The only supposed "point" Ridge thinks he has, has nothing to do with anything relevant to the subject. It's a non-stop barrage of cheap pathetic insults.

He addresses no issues. And when he does attempt to, once in every 75 responses or so, it's laughable.

Ridge, there's no way in hell to convince me, Truecritic and Jimmy, that you have any abilty to defend a made up fantasy. It's like trying to convince me Santa is real. What part don't you get?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 11, 2011

The only supposed "point" Ridge thinks he has, has nothing to do with anything relevant to the subject. It's a non-stop barrage of cheap pathetic insults.

He addresses no issues. And when he does attempt to, once in every 75 responses or so, it's laughable.

Ridge, there's no way in hell to convince me, Truecritic and Jimmy, that you have any abilty to defend a made up fantasy. It's like trying to convince me Santa is real. What part don't you get?

"Ridge, there's no way in hell to convince me, Truecritic and Jimmy..."

Uh, when have I ever tried to convince you ladies of anything?

You're the ones trying to convince everybody of how stupid they are for having Christian beliefs.

You're the ones preaching about the sanity of believing in spacemonkeys and bacteria apes and puddle piddlers.

You're the ones doing all the preaching.

I've never tried to convince anybody of anything. I've never made any claims about anything. I've never told you what to believe.

It was you three.

Remember?

 

Maybe if you pull your heads out of each other's asses you'll get more oxygen to your brains and won't come whining to me with this ridiculous nonsense.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

"Ridge, there's no way in hell to convince me, Truecritic and Jimmy..."

Uh, when have I ever tried to convince you ladies of anything?

You're the ones trying to convince everybody of how stupid they are for having Christian beliefs.

You're the ones preaching about the sanity of believing in spacemonkeys and bacteria apes and puddle piddlers.

You're the ones doing all the preaching.

I've never tried to convince anybody of anything. I've never made any claims about anything. I've never told you what to believe.

It was you three.

Remember?

 

Maybe if you pull your heads out of each other's asses you'll get more oxygen to your brains and won't come whining to me with this ridiculous nonsense.

Ummm....yes you are....

You protect Christianity by accusing me of attacking it.......soooooo..........that means you're trying to convince me that it's so precious to you, that not even one person, not to mention others, can respond to a thread, and in my case..."100% Pure coincidence" .......then called us "Gutless cowards".

And then during the whole process, we tried enlightening you of your delusional ways, and that's why you think WE were the ones trying to convince you. That's what I meant earlier when I wrote that you like to twist things around.

joker17

Ridge constantly avoids the initial response by him. He was the root of why this thread has gone so far.

Just imagine If he never wrote ...(paraphrasing)......"I can't believe the hate from the non-believers here". I wonder how the thread would've EVOLVED....

Why can't he accept opposing views?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 11, 2011

Ummm....yes you are....

You protect Christianity by accusing me of attacking it.......soooooo..........that means you're trying to convince me that it's so precious to you, that not even one person, not to mention others, can respond to a thread, and in my case..."100% Pure coincidence" .......then called us "Gutless cowards".

And then during the whole process, we tried enlightening you of your delusional ways, and that's why you think WE were the ones trying to convince you. That's what I meant earlier when I wrote that you like to twist things around.

You wanna talk about twisting things around... just read your post.

WTF? Can you make any sense out of that gibberish?

Are you drunk already?

You're smokin' crack, ain'tcha?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 11, 2011

You wanna talk about twisting things around... just read your post.

WTF? Can you make any sense out of that gibberish?

Are you drunk already?

You're smokin' crack, ain'tcha?

In other words, convincing can come in different forms. You don't have to specifically say you're trying to convince me and others, as long as you convey those beliefs in other ways. It's called "Circumstantial Evidence".

I know It's hard for your brain to wrap itself around such basic concepts. It's OK Ridge....It'll be OK....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

In other words, convincing can come in different forms. You don't have to specifically say you're trying to convince me and others, as long as you convey those beliefs in other ways. It's called "Circumstantial Evidence".

I know It's hard for your brain to wrap itself around such basic concepts. It's OK Ridge....It'll be OK....

Wow, I can see how bad you want that nonsense to be true even when you know it's a big fat lie.

It must really suck to be you right now.

joker17

Isn't it hilarious that even when I'm stinkin' drunk, I can still make Ridge look foolish?

This isn't a fair fight...lol

Just imagine when I'm cold sober. It's akin to arguing brain surgery procedures with a Goldfish.....HEE HEE...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 12, 2011

Wow, I can see how bad you want that nonsense to be true even when you know it's a big fat lie.

It must really suck to be you right now.

What part is a lie?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

What part is a lie?

And why?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 11, 2011

Ridge constantly avoids the initial response by him. He was the root of why this thread has gone so far.

Just imagine If he never wrote ...(paraphrasing)......"I can't believe the hate from the non-believers here". I wonder how the thread would've EVOLVED....

Why can't he accept opposing views?

Actually, Sully said: "The Lord works in mysterious ways."

Then I said: "Great story, God bless her."

Then a few more made comments referring to God or faith. It was, afterall, a thread about just that. But the athiests won't allow that, they went on a rampage. 

The <snip>roaches started coming out for revenge after you made one of your usual dopey comments. Then little mario the moron took it up a notch with his hatred for Christians, then he came back as TruthSerum to fan the flames of hate a little more and then a few more gutless cowards jumped on the band wagon.

That's when I said:

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em."

 

And that's the truth.

I stand by every word I said.

Because every word I said is true. People like you three pukes are gutless cowards. You would never say any of the stuff you say here to my face and you know it. So stop the silly charade. Grow up.

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jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 11, 2011

Well, Nancy, maybe it's because when we rebut your "facts" you immediately change your avatar and go offline and hide until that page is buried and then you come back later with new "facts".

 

Jimmy, even though your quote above was towards Cointoss, it can still be applied to Ridge as well. Except in Ridge's case it's not cliches, it's 4th grade responses.

On one hand, Coin is simply clueless, and Ridge is also clueless but also a dumbass.

Joker17,

I'm not sure who is clueless here.  The sole purpose of this website is to make money for its owners and I'm tired of providing entertainment for the silent majority of viewers without compensation.  Some of the posters who appear to be idiots might be just smart enough to purposefully stir the pot in ways that keep serious people busy churning out futile attempts to enlighten.  I'm convinced that at least one person is posting under multiple identities, sometimes taking opposing positions.  Others are using sneaky methods to promote lottery software sales.  And then there are the pathetic souls who use their anonymity to assert themselves in ways they undoubtedly would find impossible in real life.  The same obfuscation techniques are being used in this thread as in those that dealt with innumeracy.  The owners of this website have a vested interest in the propagation of the Gambler's Fallacy and I suspect they've discovered a positive correlation between innumeracy and strong religious beliefs.  Consequently, threads such as this one turn out to be money makers in the long run because they give the hired hands and [unwitting] volunteers additional opportunities to attempt to discredit scientific reasoning by associating it with atheism, deism, and humanism, ideas that believers are quite fearful of. 

You may continue to be played for a fool here;  I will not.

--Jimmy4164

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 12, 2011

Actually, Sully said: "The Lord works in mysterious ways."

Then I said: "Great story, God bless her."

Then a few more made comments referring to God or faith. It was, afterall, a thread about just that. But the athiests won't allow that, they went on a rampage. 

The <snip>roaches started coming out for revenge after you made one of your usual dopey comments. Then little mario the moron took it up a notch with his hatred for Christians, then he came back as TruthSerum to fan the flames of hate a little more and then a few more gutless cowards jumped on the band wagon.

That's when I said:

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em."

 

And that's the truth.

I stand by every word I said.

Because every word I said is true. People like you three pukes are gutless cowards. You would never say any of the stuff you say here to my face and you know it. So stop the silly charade. Grow up.

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People like you three pukes are gutless cowards.

 

So you agree. You started it.

BTW, I'd say it to your face. I'm not afraid of you or any other man. I have no Idea why you think you're Superman. You're probably some fat donut eating redneck drunk who manually uses rigged wires when his windshield wipers are active. How can I possiblt be afraid a loser such as you. 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

Isn't it hilarious that even when I'm stinkin' drunk, I can still make Ridge look foolish?

This isn't a fair fight...lol

Just imagine when I'm cold sober. It's akin to arguing brain surgery procedures with a Goldfish.....HEE HEE...

"...imagine when I'm cold sober."

We don't have to imagine when your sober, we've seen you sober.

You make about the same sense then as you do now - none.

And you always end up running away, just like visiondude said.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 12, 2011

Joker17,

I'm not sure who is clueless here.  The sole purpose of this website is to make money for its owners and I'm tired of providing entertainment for the silent majority of viewers without compensation.  Some of the posters who appear to be idiots might be just smart enough to purposefully stir the pot in ways that keep serious people busy churning out futile attempts to enlighten.  I'm convinced that at least one person is posting under multiple identities, sometimes taking opposing positions.  Others are using sneaky methods to promote lottery software sales.  And then there are the pathetic souls who use their anonymity to assert themselves in ways they undoubtedly would find impossible in real life.  The same obfuscation techniques are being used in this thread as in those that dealt with innumeracy.  The owners of this website have a vested interest in the propagation of the Gambler's Fallacy and I suspect they've discovered a positive correlation between innumeracy and strong religious beliefs.  Consequently, threads such as this one turn out to be money makers in the long run because they give the hired hands and [unwitting] volunteers additional opportunities to attempt to discredit scientific reasoning by associating it with atheism, deism, and humanism, ideas that believers are quite fearful of. 

You may continue to be played for a fool here;  I will not.

--Jimmy4164

I'm convinced that at least one person is posting under multiple identities

 

Wink

 

Believers are very scared of scientific reasoning. And I agree as to why this thread hasn't been locked yet. It makes sense.....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 12, 2011

Joker17,

I'm not sure who is clueless here.  The sole purpose of this website is to make money for its owners and I'm tired of providing entertainment for the silent majority of viewers without compensation.  Some of the posters who appear to be idiots might be just smart enough to purposefully stir the pot in ways that keep serious people busy churning out futile attempts to enlighten.  I'm convinced that at least one person is posting under multiple identities, sometimes taking opposing positions.  Others are using sneaky methods to promote lottery software sales.  And then there are the pathetic souls who use their anonymity to assert themselves in ways they undoubtedly would find impossible in real life.  The same obfuscation techniques are being used in this thread as in those that dealt with innumeracy.  The owners of this website have a vested interest in the propagation of the Gambler's Fallacy and I suspect they've discovered a positive correlation between innumeracy and strong religious beliefs.  Consequently, threads such as this one turn out to be money makers in the long run because they give the hired hands and [unwitting] volunteers additional opportunities to attempt to discredit scientific reasoning by associating it with atheism, deism, and humanism, ideas that believers are quite fearful of. 

You may continue to be played for a fool here;  I will not.

--Jimmy4164

I don't blame you a bit, jimmy4164.

Truecricket and joker and little mario the moron would try the patience of a Saint!

Just remember, I'm always here for ya, bro.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 12, 2011

"...imagine when I'm cold sober."

We don't have to imagine when your sober, we've seen you sober.

You make about the same sense then as you do now - none.

And you always end up running away, just like visiondude said.

Responding to you with this post doesn't look like running to me. I'll be here as long as it takes to put your pathetic dumbass in place.

Though I should take Jimmy's advice and stop responding to useless humans like you and others. It's futile to argue with morons.

Jimmy is correct when he says he and others like me and Truecritic are feeding the fuel to the fire of the true agenda of why this thread is allowed to continue.

I will also refuse to enlighten the readers of this thread for free.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

Responding to you with this post doesn't look like running to me. I'll be here as long as it takes to put your pathetic dumbass in place.

Though I should take Jimmy's advice and stop responding to useless humans like you and others. It's futile to argue with morons.

Jimmy is correct when he says he and others like me and Truecritic are feeding the fuel to the fire of the true agenda of why this thread is allowed to continue.

I will also refuse to enlighten the readers of this thread for free.

So you're going to charge members for your enlightenment now?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

LMAO! WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA!

So how much will you charge us to tell us about the spacemonkeys from now on? LOLGreen laughCrazy LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Hmmm... joker ran away again.

But when asked about it he'll deny it ever happened.

I still think the world of him though. He's still my little ayatollah ahmadinejad.

A backward little creature from a backward little country. But we're saddled with him so we might as well make the best of it.

We all have to work harder to get those stoneage, caveman ideas out of his misshaped little coconut head. But I think it will be worth it when we see a fully civilized little hairy midget proudly driving his cab without demanding the world do what he says.

I know we all look forward to that day.

His day in the sun.

 

Cuz afterall, he's just too high strung is all, the poor soul.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Hmmm... rdgrnr ran away again.  He always was a chicken liver.  He'll probably show up again later.

But when asked about it he'll deny it ever happened.  The guy lies and lies!

I still think the world of him though.

A backward little creature from the backwoods country.  We're saddled with him so we might as well make the best of it.

We all have to work harder to get those stoneage, caveman ideas out of his misshaped little coconut head. But I think it will be worth it when we see a guy that gets the heart he always needed from The Land Of Oz.  Maybe the day will come where he won't be demanding the world do what he says.  The day where he won't be mocking, uttering derogatory remarks!  A day when he finally is civil and truly gets along with people!

I know we all look forward to that day.

His day in the sun.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

Responding to you with this post doesn't look like running to me. I'll be here as long as it takes to put your pathetic dumbass in place.

Though I should take Jimmy's advice and stop responding to useless humans like you and others. It's futile to argue with morons.

Jimmy is correct when he says he and others like me and Truecritic are feeding the fuel to the fire of the true agenda of why this thread is allowed to continue.

I will also refuse to enlighten the readers of this thread for free.

Joker

I am not sure that it would help but you might want to sober up before you start charging for your wisdom.

I can't speak for others but I don't think you have improved your image and you might want to tone it down

a little.  Maybe write things down and then edit before posting, I have found it helps me but I am a stupid

dumbass with my head wedged up my ass so what do I know.   I think Jimmy is getting a little paranoide and

seems to have joined the conspiracy buffs side of the table.  He might have a good reason, I don't know but it

might be just a bit of paranoia.   I know this thread has many views but if you do a litttle math you will find that

there are very few that follow it.  14,398 views and 1454 post.  That is a average of about 9.9 views per post.

I don't check it each day but I would say I have viewed it at least 100 times just to see what will be proclaimed

next.  Most likely the bulk of the views are from the authors and few if any others even read it.  I don't think that

Todd is getting rich off you or jimmy but then again what do I know.  I would say that the only money that could

have been made off you is your membership fee but that has been ate up in disk space.   Funny thing to me is

that you would find interest in a topic that delt with God in the first place.  I think everyone at LP knows your 

view on the subject but you seem driven to repeat yourself over and over.   They say that repeating oneself is

a sign of mental illness.   I have often heard that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous and I agree and think the

main problem here is a little bit of a little bit of knowledge.   Before you go and start putting that Ph.D  after your

name you should make sure that people know that it stands for (Post hole Digger) 

RL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 12, 2011

Joker

I am not sure that it would help but you might want to sober up before you start charging for your wisdom.

I can't speak for others but I don't think you have improved your image and you might want to tone it down

a little.  Maybe write things down and then edit before posting, I have found it helps me but I am a stupid

dumbass with my head wedged up my ass so what do I know.   I think Jimmy is getting a little paranoide and

seems to have joined the conspiracy buffs side of the table.  He might have a good reason, I don't know but it

might be just a bit of paranoia.   I know this thread has many views but if you do a litttle math you will find that

there are very few that follow it.  14,398 views and 1454 post.  That is a average of about 9.9 views per post.

I don't check it each day but I would say I have viewed it at least 100 times just to see what will be proclaimed

next.  Most likely the bulk of the views are from the authors and few if any others even read it.  I don't think that

Todd is getting rich off you or jimmy but then again what do I know.  I would say that the only money that could

have been made off you is your membership fee but that has been ate up in disk space.   Funny thing to me is

that you would find interest in a topic that delt with God in the first place.  I think everyone at LP knows your 

view on the subject but you seem driven to repeat yourself over and over.   They say that repeating oneself is

a sign of mental illness.   I have often heard that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous and I agree and think the

main problem here is a little bit of a little bit of knowledge.   Before you go and start putting that Ph.D  after your

name you should make sure that people know that it stands for (Post hole Digger) 

RL

Sorry RL, but nancy and the joke are in the enlightening business now, LOL.

If you want a response from either of them you have to pay up front.

I think they have a set fee to keep them on retainer.

I've heard they also want to be paid for saying anything about them so be careful out there, they mean business!

They may hold a press conference later today after they get through painting each other's toe nails.

They seem to have thrown the princess under the bus on this latest move and it's been reported that he is just lavender with rage!

So stay tuned. CrazyLOLYes Nod

joker17

I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread who believe in old wives tales, fairytales and Goblins.

I will however, write the following below once a day, as a reminder to the blinded robots who refuse to take their heads out of their asses. Below is the only thing you'll ever see from me on this thread...

 

 

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread who believe in old wives tales, fairytales and Goblins.

I will however, write the following below once a day, as a reminder to the blinded robots who refuse to take their heads out of their asses. Below is the only thing you'll ever see from me on this thread...

 

 

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Remember to post what you have done to prevent all those kids from dying too, joke.

Afterall, that's what God put you here for.

So what have you done to help them so far besides praying to God (in your own weird way) to do something?

Or did you think you were born into heaven and life is supposed to be perfect with no problems?

How about it, numbnuts?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread who believe in old wives tales, fairytales and Goblins.

I will however, write the following below once a day, as a reminder to the blinded robots who refuse to take their heads out of their asses. Below is the only thing you'll ever see from me on this thread...

 

 

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Hey Joke!

Can we call your daily address "NUMBNUTS SPEAKS!"?    ROFL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread who believe in old wives tales, fairytales and Goblins.

I will however, write the following below once a day, as a reminder to the blinded robots who refuse to take their heads out of their asses. Below is the only thing you'll ever see from me on this thread...

 

 

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

I just want it entered into the record that I took no pleasure in deconstructing and dismantling the joke and leaving him to retreat in humiliating defeat and unconditional surrender.

It was as uncomfortable for me as it was for our troops when our terrorist enemies in the middle east came out from their holes and started kissing their boots and begging for mercy when we cut through them like a sharp knife through pig fat. The joke's terrorist people are used to surrenduring and begging and kissing boots. But they'll still stab you in the back when they get the chance. Gutless cowards.

But I hold no grudge and ask only that he not slobber all over my boots.

At least til I get them off his neck.

 

I'm always here for ya, little buddy, never forget that.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 12, 2011

I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread who believe in old wives tales, fairytales and Goblins.

I will however, write the following below once a day, as a reminder to the blinded robots who refuse to take their heads out of their asses. Below is the only thing you'll ever see from me on this thread...

 

 

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Is that a promise? Or are you just temporarily upset?

I hope that if you take the time to add your daily reminder - to yourself because no one really cares about your statement except you, it's a sorry

old, weak statement that serves no other purpose than to move people to buckle to your silly demands that God be explained, dissected, offered

up, opened up and served up to the likes of you..one who doesn't even believe He exists - I hope your daily reminder of the 20,000 children who

die daily is removed daily by Todd - spamming is what it will represent and if somehow it does not fall into that category...I hope you get your

account banned due to endless, repeatitive chatter that's done not to add anything meaningful, fruitful or intelligent to the thread but meant to incite,

entice and ignite others tempers to a point where you can turn the whole thing around and blame them for being the jackazz you truly are and prove

over and over again each time you sit down to respond or give all of us insight into your little mind.

The majority of your posts are condeming, juvenille and nauseating. Additionally, you could cut 3/4 of the crap you wrote here and still get the idea

of what you are about - and it doesn't have anything to do with religion. You are a temper tantrum waiting to happen, a child instead of a man, a

guy who just keeps at it and gets nowhere and a totally unimpressive individual with a big mouth, big ideas and a small mind.

Look back and take your blinders off....

Who is the instigator? You.

Who is the one who fans the flames? You.

Who is the one who resorts to endless name calling out of sheer loss of self control then comes back and tries to apologize then is right back

at it? You.

Who can't wait to log on and check out the latest posts to see if there is something he can respond ignorantly, sarcastically and childishly to every

day? You.

Who started the whole thing? You. Who keeps it going and insists on keeping it going by leaving us with a message that a daily reminder will be

posted, when he just said he was done with the thread? You.

Another problematic poster is truecritic. Actually, I'm quite surprised at his disintegration from a poster who needed no kid gloves to one that, by

association, has marred his reputation through senseless, repeated postings that serve to do nothing except create divides, stir up tempers

and be a stand in when someone from the joker team is not available to keep the name calling party rolling along.

I'm also rather surprised the thread came this far. Whether the reason to let it continue is to make it absolutely clear who is the town/site idiot

(I've got my vote mentally recorded and it starts with a 'J' and ends with a '7'), get as many opinions and views out there as possible, let a few

posters dig themselves deeper into stupidity, determine the winner of a secret contest in which the winner is the one who lasts the longest

and doesn't give up or maybe it's being let go because joker is on the verge of a spiritual awakening and Todd sees it coming! Who knows but

it's past its prime and squeezed like an orange. It's a thread devoted to jokers ego...it's a place where he can come to feel good about something.

If I was Todd but I'm not, I'd pull the carpet right out from underneath him..personally, I'd ban the guy but hey...easy does it and maybe joker

will just burn himself out one day...for real. Right now, I just don't believe he's done yapping.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 10, 2011

A muslim kid can't find his mother in the supermarket.
The store attendant says "What does your mother look like?"
The kid says "How would I know?"
______________________________________________

I'm waiting for one of the lefties to surface and tell us how saying something like We Leanred All We Need to Know About islam on 911 is racial or hate speech but for a rapper to make a CD about rapin' ho's and offin'pigs is them exercising their free speech.

________________________________________________

An Arab man came to the U.S. and married a woman from Minnesota.
They had a baby boy and named him Yasir Youbetcha!

coin toss, heard one today that made me think of your post.a kid lost in a mall tells a security guard he can't find his granpa.sec. guard says; whats his name? kid says; granpa.sec. guard says; okay what does he like ? kid thinks for a minute and says; beer and big boobs !

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

And I heard as it were the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying 'Come and see', and I saw
And behold a white horse 

There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down
When the man comes around

The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the man comes around 


Hear the trumpets hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

'Til Armageddon no shalom, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise men will bow down before the throne
And at his feet they'll cast their golden crowns
When the man comes around

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around 


Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the man comes around 


And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 13, 2011

And I heard as it were the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying 'Come and see', and I saw
And behold a white horse 

There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down
When the man comes around

The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the man comes around 


Hear the trumpets hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

'Til Armageddon no shalom, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise men will bow down before the throne
And at his feet they'll cast their golden crowns
When the man comes around

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around 


Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the man comes around 


And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

I am persuaded that nothing can separate me from my love of God, my wife, and my music.

Life is rich when I can come home, after hours in the studio, feeling as frayed as a hundred

Big G strings, and curl up to June Carter. She's a soft, fluffy Mama Bear. That's when I give

God a "Thanks a lot, Chief." Sometimes in the morning I'll say "Good Morning" to the Awesome

Presence, but sometimes I forget to.

 

Home from the studio, or to the hotel from the studio, depending on where I am, it seals the day's

work when I relate to June what I did that day. But the music never stops. It's an unending loop

through my brain. Over and over and over again. Finally my head settled on that one particular

song, and won't let go.

 

I wrote and recorded "The Man Comes Around" early on in this project, and for three or four months

I recycled that song over and over until I'd have to get up out of bed, and turn on the radio. It worked 

for a while, but my inner playback system always went back to "When The Man Comes Around."

 

I spent more time on this song than any I ever wrote. It's based, loosely, on the Book of Revelation,

with a couple of lines, or a chorus, from other biblical sources. I must have written three dozen pages

of lyrics, then painfully weeded it down to the song you have here.

 

The initial idea for the song came from a dream I had seven years ago. I was in Nottingham England

and had bought a book called "Dreaming of the Queen." The book talked about the great number of

people in that country who dream that they are with the Queen, Elizabeth II. I dreamed that I walked

into Buckingham Palace, and there she sat, knitting or sewing. She had a basket of fabrics and lace.

Another woman sat beside her, and they were talking and laughing. As I approached, the Queen looked

up at me and said, "Johnny Cash! You're like a thorntree in a whirlwind." Then of course, I awoke.

I realized that "Thorntree in a whirlwind" sounded familiar to me. Eventually I decided that it was biblical,

and I found it in the Book of Job. From there it grew into a song, and I started lifting things from the Book

of Revelation. It became "The Man Comes Around."

 

~ Johnny Cash ~ August 12, 2002

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RESPECT.

One cartoon is worth a thousand words!

This thread has been about a hateful, lying, name calling person who continues to call names and use derogatory remarks attacking right to the very end! 

He claims to hate the ACLU and libs - yet recent court cases are what ALLOW him to make these hateful remarks - and they were brought about by the ACLU! 

Westboro Baptist Church Wins Supreme Court Appeal Over Funeral Protests.  WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that a grieving father's pain over mocking protests at his Marine son's funeral must yield to First Amendment protections for free speech.

Someone who has no respect for hardly anything.  He thinks making jokes about boots is something funny.  He doesn't think the loss of American soldiers lives, that continue to this day, are important and chooses to joke about it.

The strongest country in the world cannot defeat some relatively small middle eastern country - the war continues today.  Yet he talks about them surrendering as if the war has been won.  Delusional or an outright liar or both.

There are a few that think rdgrnr is the poor innocent guy being attacked.  For his followers or those that believe that, the facts are within this thread.  I also leave you with the last post from Joker:  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2130836

Read that.  Then compare it to the vicious racist post by rdgrnr.  Who still continues his speech of violent denunciation and thinks he is cute.  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2130882

You don't have to read the entire 98 page thread - just compare the TWO posts. Then you will know who the mean spirited attacker really is!

Once you have done that, this cartoon becomes crystal clear. 

Respect

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 13, 2011

RESPECT.

One cartoon is worth a thousand words!

This thread has been about a hateful, lying, name calling person who continues to call names and use derogatory remarks attacking right to the very end! 

He claims to hate the ACLU and libs - yet recent court cases are what ALLOW him to make these hateful remarks - and they were brought about by the ACLU! 

Westboro Baptist Church Wins Supreme Court Appeal Over Funeral Protests.  WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that a grieving father's pain over mocking protests at his Marine son's funeral must yield to First Amendment protections for free speech.

Someone who has no respect for hardly anything.  He thinks making jokes about boots is something funny.  He doesn't think the loss of American soldiers lives, that continue to this day, are important and chooses to joke about it.

The strongest country in the world cannot defeat some relatively small middle eastern country - the war continues today.  Yet he talks about them surrendering as if the war has been won.  Delusional or an outright liar or both.

There are a few that think rdgrnr is the poor innocent guy being attacked.  For his followers or those that believe that, the facts are within this thread.  I also leave you with the last post from Joker:  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2130836

Read that.  Then compare it to the vicious racist post by rdgrnr.  Who still continues his speech of violent denunciation and thinks he is cute.  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2130882

You don't have to read the entire 98 page thread - just compare the TWO posts. Then you will know who the mean spirited attacker really is!

Once you have done that, this cartoon becomes crystal clear. 

Respect

"The strongest country in the world cannot defeat some relatively small middle eastern country - the war continues today. Yet he talks about them surrendering as if the war has been won.  Delusional or an outright liar or both."

 

Wow, I knew you were anti-American but this really proves how much you hate this country, doesn't it, princess? We used to call people like you collaborators.

 But I knew you were a traitor all along.

 And the sad part? You know it.

 Don'tcha princess? 

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 13, 2011

And I heard as it were the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying 'Come and see', and I saw
And behold a white horse 

There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down
When the man comes around

The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the man comes around 


Hear the trumpets hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks

'Til Armageddon no shalom, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise men will bow down before the throne
And at his feet they'll cast their golden crowns
When the man comes around

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around 


Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the man comes around 


And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.

I'm going to go put some music to the lyrics.

There is not a more chilling, empowering, thought provoking or glorious book in the Bible, in my opinion, than what is represented above.

Thank you rdgrnr!

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 13, 2011

RESPECT.

One cartoon is worth a thousand words!

This thread has been about a hateful, lying, name calling person who continues to call names and use derogatory remarks attacking right to the very end! 

He claims to hate the ACLU and libs - yet recent court cases are what ALLOW him to make these hateful remarks - and they were brought about by the ACLU! 

Westboro Baptist Church Wins Supreme Court Appeal Over Funeral Protests.  WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that a grieving father's pain over mocking protests at his Marine son's funeral must yield to First Amendment protections for free speech.

Someone who has no respect for hardly anything.  He thinks making jokes about boots is something funny.  He doesn't think the loss of American soldiers lives, that continue to this day, are important and chooses to joke about it.

The strongest country in the world cannot defeat some relatively small middle eastern country - the war continues today.  Yet he talks about them surrendering as if the war has been won.  Delusional or an outright liar or both.

There are a few that think rdgrnr is the poor innocent guy being attacked.  For his followers or those that believe that, the facts are within this thread.  I also leave you with the last post from Joker:  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2130836

Read that.  Then compare it to the vicious racist post by rdgrnr.  Who still continues his speech of violent denunciation and thinks he is cute.  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2130882

You don't have to read the entire 98 page thread - just compare the TWO posts. Then you will know who the mean spirited attacker really is!

Once you have done that, this cartoon becomes crystal clear. 

Respect

There is something seriously wrong with you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 13, 2011

I'm going to go put some music to the lyrics.

There is not a more chilling, empowering, thought provoking or glorious book in the Bible, in my opinion, than what is represented above.

Thank you rdgrnr!

You're welcome dr and thanks.

The album is:  Johnny Cash American IV: The Man Comes Around - if you don't have it.

I believe that song is inspired.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 13, 2011

There is something seriously wrong with you.

The princess ran away, dr, just like it says in the Book. 

James 4 : 7 

Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 13, 2011

You're welcome dr and thanks.

The album is:  Johnny Cash American IV: The Man Comes Around - if you don't have it.

I believe that song is inspired.

I know just the person to go to - I'll bet he has it and if he doesn't, I'll sure tell him about it.

I have to be honest, I don't really put country at the top of my list but the lyrics sure pull you in. There is something just about anyone can relate to

in those songs.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 3, 2011

go for 100 pages!

PartyPartyParty

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 13, 2011

I know just the person to go to - I'll bet he has it and if he doesn't, I'll sure tell him about it.

I have to be honest, I don't really put country at the top of my list but the lyrics sure pull you in. There is something just about anyone can relate to

in those songs.

And here I thought you was a country girl!

joker17

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 13, 2011

And here I thought you was a country girl!

lol! No not country..but a saving grace might be I want no parts of heavy metal, reggae or jazz and I'd go country any day of the week than

subject myself to that rubbish.

Big Smile

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 13, 2011

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Hey look up ^! It's today's edition of: "NUMBNUTS SPEAKS!" LOLGreen laughAgree with stupidROFLLOL

And he's not even charging for enlightening us! LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 13, 2011

lol! No not country..but a saving grace might be I want no parts of heavy metal, reggae or jazz and I'd go country any day of the week than

subject myself to that rubbish.

Big Smile

Well that's cool but you know what, that particular album isn't country, it's mostly all covers of other artist's songs.

I bet you'd like the whole thing.  Check it out.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 13, 2011

Well that's cool but you know what, that particular album isn't country, it's mostly all covers of other artist's songs.

I bet you'd like the whole thing.  Check it out.

i think most ppl. like at least some johnny cash tunes, my nephews have band that include some of his tunes,one even kinda has his stage style,even has the voice down pretty good.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 13, 2011

lol! No not country..but a saving grace might be I want no parts of heavy metal, reggae or jazz and I'd go country any day of the week than

subject myself to that rubbish.

Big Smile

What a pity.

And here I thought you were a born again Rammstein groupie...

"They come to you in the night
demons, ghosts, black fairies
they creep out of the cellar shaft
and will look under your bedding"

"They come to you in the night
and steal your small hot tears
they wait until the moon awakes
and put them in my cold veins"


rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Well, well, well, what have we here?

The staid and stoic humanist who gave his word he wasn't going to entertain and enlighten us without compensation and ordered joker not to do so has come back to entertain and enlighten us. What a treat.

And he comes to attack a Christian woman in the wee hours of the morning when no men are around. How brave. How typical.

How sad.

Being a weirdo troll with a flair for fashion must be a sad and lonely existence.

This exhibit of childish behavior should really swell the ranks of your humanist nonsense group. Yes, they'll be lining up now for sure.

And I can guarantee you picked on the wrong lady if you wanted an easy virtual mugging.

Bad troll! Bad! No No

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 14, 2011

What a pity.

And here I thought you were a born again Rammstein groupie...

"They come to you in the night
demons, ghosts, black fairies
they creep out of the cellar shaft
and will look under your bedding"

"They come to you in the night
and steal your small hot tears
they wait until the moon awakes
and put them in my cold veins"


Stunning graphics jimmy...time lapse or a film short showing some sort of twisted evolution? I'll have to judge for myself whether it makes more sense,

considering the age of both images, whether it's an instant transformation of rdgrnr or of one of rdgrnr to jimmy??

I'll have to hand it to my fellow Pennsylvanian, clever...very clever.

Now..about that Rammstein groupie...born again yet! Funny how life revolves, twists and turns. Statements by people who do not personally know each

other can bring back memories of people, places and things for some in an instant. The words they choose to write, whether the intention was comedic,

sarcastic or vengeful, often times have more of an affect than just scratching the surface or gaining a 'one up' on someone.

Let me thank you first and smack you later..Concerning joker: I mentioned before that he had issues..it goes much deeper than just trying to find the

true meaning of life. I personally don't think he gives a hoot or cares to put much effort into finding God or finding an answer..he just is sort of, well,

just here. That's what he knows and if the conversation leans towards the meaning of life, he's on board to comment. He's neither atheist, agnostic,

believer, doubter, follower, religious or anything else..he is just a constant, we deal with him. I think he's got his own set of triggers, for whatever

reason, things just move him to act and respond. The way he responds is telling - hostile then humorous sometimes and frustrated others.

Cut to the Chase: Thank you jimmy for demonstrating and confirming a few things. I'll leave it at that...

Rammstein?...Way too heavy for my liking - a groupie? Not in this lifetime....read as: Never - Pity? Nah, I only cut out a small percentage of genres

...there are so many left to choose from, there might be an opening for me in one but I'll have to reject the Rammstein title as totally unfitting,

undesirable and undeserving of my fine qualities. Razz Oh and if there ever could be such a thing as being 'born again'...it would be called 'me again'

because nothing would change.

Ramstein Air Base 1988 - like I said, funny how things revolve, twist and turn...flash-forward to July 14th, 2011...if I was superstitious - sometimes

I can be - I'd swear there was a meaning to your post. And, I'll leave it at that....

Notice I left out the smack? I decided you couldn't have possibly known. That's alright jimmy, carry on. Try not to get lost in that metal stuff.

It's not good for the soul, the psyche or one's sanity.

Thumbs Up

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 14, 2011

Well, well, well, what have we here?

The staid and stoic humanist who gave his word he wasn't going to entertain and enlighten us without compensation and ordered joker not to do so has come back to entertain and enlighten us. What a treat.

And he comes to attack a Christian woman in the wee hours of the morning when no men are around. How brave. How typical.

How sad.

Being a weirdo troll with a flair for fashion must be a sad and lonely existence.

This exhibit of childish behavior should really swell the ranks of your humanist nonsense group. Yes, they'll be lining up now for sure.

And I can guarantee you picked on the wrong lady if you wanted an easy virtual mugging.

Bad troll! Bad! No No

Big Grin Angel

rdgrnr, I was caught up in trying to be nice (patient) to jimmy and post my reply and see your post...I thought I was alone here lol!

(well, you know....we are never really alone, there is always someone watching/waiting/writhing in the background LOL)

I'm usually around in the wee hours of the morning, I missed the hit and run...it was a tiny one but nevertheless, one indeed. Did you see those

guys that call themselves Rammstein?....Funky bunch.

I was watching jimmy in all his glory...just trying to get a handle on the guy. At times he seemed relatively neutral, then off the deep end..sometimes

very long winded/written (I can relate) and sometimes - like his latest post - short and to the point. The rate of avatar turnover is mind numbing, I

suspect it must mean something..he goes from the stone guy, to the the goth girl/boy, to the monkey and whatever else in the blink of an eye. Now

he's toying with other people's avatars, putting motion to them yet! Wonder who is next? Me! Me jimmy! (figured I'd ask for it before it just comes

out of nowhere I guess)

It's okay rdgrnr and thank you for standing in and up...today I'll walk around like this: Approve 

This morning was a 'right side of the bed' type of morning. No one is going to change that...not even the writhers.

(well, if PA doesn't conduct their 'surprise' double draw soon, that could easily change things)

BananaBanana

joker17

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 14, 2011

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Hey look up ^! It's today's edition of: "NUMBNUTS SPEAKS!" LOLGreen laughAgree with stupidROFLLOL

And he's not even charging for entertaining and enlightening us! LOL What a dumbass!

.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 14, 2011

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

jOKER

You need pray to God that he would open the ears of man so they could hear what he is saying.

Then lead the way and take one dollar a week and send it where it is needed.  I know that you

feel these poor kids miserable deaths are a shame but who knows, they could be basking in the

Son right now with not a care in the world while the rest of us all die a slow and sometimes painfull

death.   I think that if God does exist then he has a special place for these kids.  The big deal here

is not that these kids die, it is what we are doing to help.   You seem to have heard the cries, how

long can you look the other way.

RL

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He's just another failed hustler, RL, coming over here to take advantage of all our programs and complaining about everything all along the way.

He wouldn't know what to do with himself if he wasn't constantly whining and complaining about something.

Kids are starving to death everyday in Africa while he blows all his money on the lottery and "guaranteed" systems and then he blames it all on God to assuage his guilt because he's too cheap to help anybody.

I wonder how many kids he could have saved from starvation with that 6 Grand he spent on the "Guaranteed" dog race winner picker system he bought?

He's just your average, garden variety loser who blames everybody but himself for all his failures.

Somehow, his problems are all the fault of Americans and Christians and particularly women, who should keep quiet, like they must in his world.

He's really in one of his moods today too. I hope no women come in contact with him today.

I've tried to help him but but you can't help somebody until they admit they need and want the help.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Joker

Try this, Find five different needs areas and give one dollar a week to each.  Think of it like

making an investment. 

 

Health            Some charity that provides healthcare to the poor

Hunger          Some charity that provides food and basic living supplies

Home            Some charity that provides shelter for the poor

Business       Some micro loans or anything of that nature

Recreation    Something like Make a whish foundation

 

Don't give with a grudge,  Take a little pride that you are helping and don't look at it like (OK  now

when do I get my return) kind of attitude.   It may hurt a little at first but just like going to the gym

the first few times it gets easier and easier each time you go.   If after a while you feel that

nothing has changed then stop.   But if on the other hand you find yourself doing much better then

maybe add a few more investments and see what happends.

 

If God exist then he is obligated to see that you receive a return in the areas which you invested.

You don't have to believe in God for this to happen because it is a universal law that he placed into

law with creation.  If you follow the rules then it will happen.  If it don't then as you say God does 

not exist.

 

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 14, 2011

He's just another failed hustler, RL, coming over here to take advantage of all our programs and complaining about everything all along the way.

He wouldn't know what to do with himself if he wasn't constantly whining and complaining about something.

Kids are starving to death everyday in Africa while he blows all his money on the lottery and "guaranteed" systems and then he blames it all on God to assuage his guilt because he's too cheap to help anybody.

I wonder how many kids he could have saved from starvation with that 6 Grand he spent on the "Guaranteed" dog race winner picker system he bought?

He's just your average, garden variety loser who blames everybody but himself for all his failures.

Somehow, his problems are all the fault of Americans and Christians and particularly women, who should keep quiet, like they must in his world.

He's really in one of his moods today too. I hope no women come in contact with him today.

I've tried to help him but but you can't help somebody until they admit they need and want the help.

Ridge

We can hope, I myself have done things that shock me awake some nights.   I keep waiting for someone to

post a few cartoons of Christians being fed to lions or killed for sport just because of what they believe.  It's

no wonder the church has done a few things they arn't too proud of.  The bible says that we will be hated

for his name sake.   I know God exist but don't ask me to prove it, I can't.  That is something that He must do

on a one on one bases.

RL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 14, 2011

Joker

Try this, Find five different needs areas and give one dollar a week to each.  Think of it like

making an investment. 

 

Health            Some charity that provides healthcare to the poor

Hunger          Some charity that provides food and basic living supplies

Home            Some charity that provides shelter for the poor

Business       Some micro loans or anything of that nature

Recreation    Something like Make a whish foundation

 

Don't give with a grudge,  Take a little pride that you are helping and don't look at it like (OK  now

when do I get my return) kind of attitude.   It may hurt a little at first but just like going to the gym

the first few times it gets easier and easier each time you go.   If after a while you feel that

nothing has changed then stop.   But if on the other hand you find yourself doing much better then

maybe add a few more investments and see what happends.

 

If God exist then he is obligated to see that you receive a return in the areas which you invested.

You don't have to believe in God for this to happen because it is a universal law that he placed into

law with creation.  If you follow the rules then it will happen.  If it don't then as you say God does 

not exist.

 

RL

It's a noble effort but he can't respond here, RL.

Nancy told him not to unless he gets paid for it.   ROFL

Maybe we should take up a collection.

I'd really like to hear from him about what race he is though, because he keeps calling me a racist.

That's always the last defense of someone who can't defend themselves any other way - trying to get pity - trying to get sympathy - trying to get people to feel sorry for them.

 

Hey joker! We already pity you!

Now dry your tears and wipe your nose, boy. Act like a man. You're in America now.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 14, 2011

Ridge

We can hope, I myself have done things that shock me awake some nights.   I keep waiting for someone to

post a few cartoons of Christians being fed to lions or killed for sport just because of what they believe.  It's

no wonder the church has done a few things they arn't too proud of.  The bible says that we will be hated

for his name sake.   I know God exist but don't ask me to prove it, I can't.  That is something that He must do

on a one on one bases.

RL

Dittoes. Thumbs Up

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 14, 2011

It's a noble effort but he can't respond here, RL.

Nancy told him not to unless he gets paid for it.   ROFL

Maybe we should take up a collection.

I'd really like to hear from him about what race he is though, because he keeps calling me a racist.

That's always the last defense of someone who can't defend themselves any other way - trying to get pity - trying to get sympathy - trying to get people to feel sorry for them.

 

Hey joker! We already pity you!

Now dry your tears and wipe your nose, boy. Act like a man. You're in America now.

Ridge

Just think, there are around six billion people on earth of which I think 1 billion could afford to give

five dollars a week as described above.  That would amount to 20 billion per month which would

fix quite a few problems and improve life for everyone.   I hope that even if joker and friends don't

read or chose to act upon it that others will.   Many spend more than $5.00 a night on lottery and

wonder why they don't win anything.   Just like planting a seed make sure it is planted in good ground

and it will grow. 

RL

dr san

Hello, rl randonic, God does not play lotteries, and also has no favorites, it was just coincidence
If on the eve of that lot 10, 100 or 1000 people also asked, only one would win
I spoke with God in a dream, he told me that someone called but he did not understand English, ahhh! Ahhh! fear is to die for it is natural there is religion, the son of man is the bond of eternity!, as hunger, 1 / 5 of what is spent on arms would be enough to stave off hunger in the world, the power is elites (rich) and bankers and awareness of birth control, the poor have the rich kids 8 has a son there is an imbalance in the birth rate. The problem of the eternity of man is his link with memory, when we die we lose our memory forever, even in times of recycling
  We would lose the bond with ourselves, so forget about eternity with God or without
Jesus was just a prophet to free the slaves of a people of another, has nothing to do with promises of eternity man

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Jul 14, 2011

Hello, rl randonic, God does not play lotteries, and also has no favorites, it was just coincidence
If on the eve of that lot 10, 100 or 1000 people also asked, only one would win
I spoke with God in a dream, he told me that someone called but he did not understand English, ahhh! Ahhh! fear is to die for it is natural there is religion, the son of man is the bond of eternity!, as hunger, 1 / 5 of what is spent on arms would be enough to stave off hunger in the world, the power is elites (rich) and bankers and awareness of birth control, the poor have the rich kids 8 has a son there is an imbalance in the birth rate. The problem of the eternity of man is his link with memory, when we die we lose our memory forever, even in times of recycling
  We would lose the bond with ourselves, so forget about eternity with God or without
Jesus was just a prophet to free the slaves of a people of another, has nothing to do with promises of eternity man

"Jesus was just a prophet to free the slaves..."

Hi dr sam,

I think you might be confusing Jesus with Moses.

 

"...the poor have the rich kids 8 has a son..."

You really lost me on that one.   What?

 

Have a nice day, dr sam! See Ya!

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

dr san

I don't know enough about the mind of God to say one way or another.  I say if he does or does not

that is up to him.  I do know that the bible says that nothing is beyound what he can do.   You sound

a little like joker and like I told him, you are free to believe what you want, just don't try to force it on me.

reincarnation is a fallacy in my opinion.  I was around long before the earth was formed and will be around

long after it is gone but I have only lived as a man once.

RL

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 14, 2011

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Peter Pan Syndrome.

dr san

Hello, rdgrnr jesus was just a great prophet, men are weak of mind, we are afraid of death, we invent religion to have a refuge, but neither one is true,
The mind of man creates a god as a male master, rdgrnr god has sex?
The law of life is the law of faith, the law of survival, life and God can be cruel, or tends to be a living death to another, you can see every human being is a unique, both in digital
  And others, that every being is unique, and live your time will be unique in the secret DIIS is linkage or connection with the memory, you can see when a person suffers a big hit to lose memory, we have left to thank nature for the single moment in the universe, time is the unique moment of life of every person on hunger, 1 / 5 what is spent on military weaponry countries could kill that man fome.há studies continues to evolve,

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Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Jul 14, 2011

Hello, rdgrnr jesus was just a great prophet, men are weak of mind, we are afraid of death, we invent religion to have a refuge, but neither one is true,
The mind of man creates a god as a male master, rdgrnr god has sex?
The law of life is the law of faith, the law of survival, life and God can be cruel, or tends to be a living death to another, you can see every human being is a unique, both in digital
  And others, that every being is unique, and live your time will be unique in the secret DIIS is linkage or connection with the memory, you can see when a person suffers a big hit to lose memory, we have left to thank nature for the single moment in the universe, time is the unique moment of life of every person on hunger, 1 / 5 what is spent on military weaponry countries could kill that man fome.há studies continues to evolve,

Hi, dr sam.

 

"men are weak of mind"

I think you have been reading too many of joker's posts, dr sam.

Just kidding, ha ha ha ha ha.

 

"you can see every human being is a unique, both in digital"

I have dial-up, dr sam, I can't watch videos.

 

"the secret DIIS is linkage or connection with the memory"

I'm not good with the latest computer lingo, dr sam. The memory is the floppy disc, right?

 

"kill that man fome.há"

No comprende, dr sam. Yes I'm bi, bi-lingual that is, si si senor. I'm not bi like joker though, he's a different kind of bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that. He lives with an apartment full of male "roommates" and he gets very lonely if you know what I mean but that's his business and I'm certainly not going to discuss it. You can ask him if you want to know about that. None of my beeswax.

 

Thank you mucho grande, senor dr sam! See Ya!

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 14, 2011

Hi, dr sam.

 

"men are weak of mind"

I think you have been reading too many of joker's posts, dr sam.

Just kidding, ha ha ha ha ha.

 

"you can see every human being is a unique, both in digital"

I have dial-up, dr sam, I can't watch videos.

 

"the secret DIIS is linkage or connection with the memory"

I'm not good with the latest computer lingo, dr sam. The memory is the floppy disc, right?

 

"kill that man fome.há"

No comprende, dr sam. Yes I'm bi, bi-lingual that is, si si senor. I'm not bi like joker though, he's a different kind of bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that. He lives with an apartment full of male "roommates" and he gets very lonely if you know what I mean but that's his business and I'm certainly not going to discuss it. You can ask him if you want to know about that. None of my beeswax.

 

Thank you mucho grande, senor dr sam! See Ya!

dial up, check w/ you're phone co. for a long while every ISP i talked to told me the same thing .not available,then one time i called and the person said" you can't get it cause your phone # has a prefix/suffix on it" .he was able to fix the problem,but could't  not explain it.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 14, 2011

Ridge

Just think, there are around six billion people on earth of which I think 1 billion could afford to give

five dollars a week as described above.  That would amount to 20 billion per month which would

fix quite a few problems and improve life for everyone.   I hope that even if joker and friends don't

read or chose to act upon it that others will.   Many spend more than $5.00 a night on lottery and

wonder why they don't win anything.   Just like planting a seed make sure it is planted in good ground

and it will grow. 

RL

The problem with this idea is that when you distribute your $20 billion among the other 5 billion people, they only end up with $4 each, per month.  That doesn't get you much in a month, even in the poorest of countries, does it?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 14, 2011

The problem with this idea is that when you distribute your $20 billion among the other 5 billion people, they only end up with $4 each, per month.  That doesn't get you much in a month, even in the poorest of countries, does it?

Wow Nancy, you talked about how stupid you would be to entertain and enlighten us without getting paid and ordered joker to stay out of here and now here you are back once again entertaining and enlightening us.

Don't you feel kinda stupid - in a fruity kinda way?

Well, at least joker is following orders for the most part.

He just does one post a day.

He calls it "NUMBNUTS SPEAKS!" LOLGreen laughROFL LOL  lol, what a dumbass.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 14, 2011

The problem with this idea is that when you distribute your $20 billion among the other 5 billion people, they only end up with $4 each, per month.  That doesn't get you much in a month, even in the poorest of countries, does it?

Jimmy

I hope there are not 5 billion people who could use the 4 bucks, things may be worse then I thought.

The idea here is to help those who's life who could have been saved for a few bucks.  Help where you

can and hope others pitch in.  Some kids go blind when a few dollars worth of meds could have prevented

it.  Others die of hunger when a cup of rice and some clean water could have kept them alive.   Yea, 4 bucks

don't mean that much to people who would not bend down and pick it up if they saw it laying on the ground

but there are some that would think it was a gift from God.   You don't have to believe in God to help all you

need is a heart and a few bucks.

RL

CashWinner$

Count me in -

I'll bend down to the ground for 4 bucks; hell, I'll even push someone outta my way...!!!...

 

KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

joker17

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 15, 2011

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Hey look up ^! It's today's edition of: "NUMBNUTS SPEAKS!" LOLGreen laughAgree with stupidROFLLOL

And he's not even charging for entertaining and enlightening us! LOL What a dumbass!

And yet the question remains: What has the joke done to alleviate the suffering of these little ones? The answer? Not a dam thing. He won't lift a finger to save the life of a single starving child. He won't contribute a nickel. He's too busy investing every penny he makes in hocus-pocus systems to make him rich. He wants God to do it even though he doesn't believe in God. Good luck figuring that one out.

So the joke continues to wallow in his ignorance and the children continue to die and he does nothing but complain and curse God.

What a dumbass.

.

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It seems Sal Bentivegna of the title story in this thread joined the ranks of a few notables who also gave up the nonsense of atheism and became Christians.

Here's just a few of them:

       Converts and reverts to Christianity

I'm sure they must all be dumbasses though in the joke's twisted take on reality.

He's surely far more intelligent than all these people. Afterall, he's a cabdriver.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 15, 2011

Today another 20,000 kids just croaked with an untimely miserable death by way of malnutrition and/or disease around the world. But remember folks, God loves you, and he will make sure you win the lottery in the near future. So pray very hard so that he may allow you to win....

God bless you all....

Joker,

When you post the same message again and again to a thread, that is spam, and I will need to treat it as such if you continue doing it (like a spammer).  If you want to retort, it must be original content each time, not a copy and paste of a previous response.

CashWinner$

Paging joker:

Hope you come back (retorts at the ready).

The threads not the same w/out ya!! Yes Nod

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 15, 2011

Jimmy

I hope there are not 5 billion people who could use the 4 bucks, things may be worse then I thought.

The idea here is to help those who's life who could have been saved for a few bucks.  Help where you

can and hope others pitch in.  Some kids go blind when a few dollars worth of meds could have prevented

it.  Others die of hunger when a cup of rice and some clean water could have kept them alive.   Yea, 4 bucks

don't mean that much to people who would not bend down and pick it up if they saw it laying on the ground

but there are some that would think it was a gift from God.   You don't have to believe in God to help all you

need is a heart and a few bucks.

RL

It really isn't possible to enlighten people who believe they are already as enlightened as they can be.  And I have found this to be true here when it comes to discussions of the mathematics of lottery play as well as during [attempts to] discuss the absurdity of anthropomorphizing God.

What's most puzzling about this thread is that the [in their minds] most enlightened posters seem to have abandoned their lottery betting system research in exchange for the opportunity to make feeble attempts to discredit atheists, deists, and humanists.  If I had a (5,39) Lotto system that could return 550% on my investment, I'd be touring the 10 states that provide those games, bankrolled by my disciples, in style.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It really isn't possible to enlighten people who believe they are already as enlightened as they can be.  And I have found this to be true here when it comes to discussions of the mathematics of lottery play as well as during [attempts to] discuss the absurdity of anthropomorphizing God.

What's most puzzling about this thread is that the [in their minds] most enlightened posters seem to have abandoned their lottery betting system research in exchange for the opportunity to make feeble attempts to discredit atheists, deists, and humanists.  If I had a (5,39) Lotto system that could return 550% on my investment, I'd be touring the 10 states that provide those games, bankrolled by my disciples, in style.

 "If I had a (5,39) Lotto system that could return 550% on my investment..."

 

LOL, if, if, if.

Yeah, I love you "if" dreamers.

 

Yeah, and "IF" Lee had listened to Longstreet and flanked Meade at Gettysburg instead of sending

Pickett up the middle you'd be sending your taxes to Richmond instead of Washington DC.

 

If, if, if. 

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Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 15, 2011

Paging joker:

Hope you come back (retorts at the ready).

The threads not the same w/out ya!! Yes Nod

Nancy told him to stay out if he doesn't get paid for his "entertainment and enlightenment." 

He's "spiritual," a "spiritual cabdriver" ROFL with the keys to the secrets of the universe.

And now he wants money to enlighten us with those secrets.

What a guy!

Should we take up a collection?

 

 

Hey Nancy! I see you're back, did you cut a deal?

How much are you getting?   LOLGreen laughLOL

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

jimmy4164

"What's most puzzling about this thread is that the [in their minds] most enlightened posters seem to have abandoned their lottery betting system research in exchange for the opportunity to make feeble attempts to discredit atheists, deists, and humanists...."

Wow. Both Baghdad Bob and Radio Moscow would be proud of the spin job on that one. Nice attempted total reversal of who is attempting to discredit who. But hey, that's how the devil works, taking the truth and twisting it.

But I digress.

I think none other than joker17 hoimself has made the news, and found his niche. Read on:

Nico Alm never actually thought he'd get the license in the mail. Three years earlier, amid a flurry of new European Union regulations, Alm decided he would take his driver's license picture with a pasta strainer on his head.

Alm was testing a caveat in those new regulations that said headgear could only be worn for religious reasons.

Alm argued that he belonged to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his religion required him to wear the spaghetti strainer on his head. And three years later, it arrived at his home: His license sporting a very serious picture of Alm with a plastic pasta strainer sitting sideways on his head.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 15, 2011

 "If I had a (5,39) Lotto system that could return 550% on my investment..."

 

LOL, if, if, if.

Yeah, I love you "if" dreamers.

 

Yeah, and "IF" Lee had listened to Longstreet and flanked Meade at Gettysburg instead of sending

Pickett up the middle you'd be sending your taxes to Richmond instead of Washington DC.

 

If, if, if. 

You seem to have a problem with English, rdgrnr.  Read my post again, the one you just responded to, revealing your ignorance.  "I" DO NOT have a system, NOR, do I ever expect to have one.  Maybe you can better comprehend this if you note that I was replying to RL-RANDOMLOGIC, who claims to have a (5,39) Lotto system that averaged a 550% Prize Ratio over 20 years.  How quickly you forgot!

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/228321/1971188

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 15, 2011

jimmy4164

"What's most puzzling about this thread is that the [in their minds] most enlightened posters seem to have abandoned their lottery betting system research in exchange for the opportunity to make feeble attempts to discredit atheists, deists, and humanists...."

Wow. Both Baghdad Bob and Radio Moscow would be proud of the spin job on that one. Nice attempted total reversal of who is attempting to discredit who. But hey, that's how the devil works, taking the truth and twisting it.

But I digress.

I think none other than joker17 hoimself has made the news, and found his niche. Read on:

Nico Alm never actually thought he'd get the license in the mail. Three years earlier, amid a flurry of new European Union regulations, Alm decided he would take his driver's license picture with a pasta strainer on his head.

Alm was testing a caveat in those new regulations that said headgear could only be worn for religious reasons.

Alm argued that he belonged to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his religion required him to wear the spaghetti strainer on his head. And three years later, it arrived at his home: His license sporting a very serious picture of Alm with a plastic pasta strainer sitting sideways on his head.

Let's get this "discrediting" issue resolved.

I'm trying to discredit fallacious and erroneous math applied to the lottery.

Those who may lose [either face or money] if I succeed, since they can't prove their case with math or backtests, are trying to discredit me based on my philosophy and politics.

I suspect you already understand this coin toss, so what is it that you stand to lose, face, or money?

Have you too given up searching for a Blockbuster system, the Holy Grail?

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

You seem to have a problem with English, rdgrnr.  Read my post again, the one you just responded to, revealing your ignorance.  "I" DO NOT have a system, NOR, do I ever expect to have one.  Maybe you can better comprehend this if you note that I was replying to RL-RANDOMLOGIC, who claims to have a (5,39) Lotto system that averaged a 550% Prize Ratio over 20 years.  How quickly you forgot!

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/228321/1971188

Yeah, blow it out your blow hole, Nancy.

Hey, btw, I hear the joke is moving to California cuz he heard it's all dancin' boys out there.

You goin' with him? HippyHippy

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 15, 2011

Yeah, blow it out your blow hole, Nancy.

Hey, btw, I hear the joke is moving to California cuz he heard it's all dancin' boys out there.

You goin' with him? HippyHippy

rdgrnr says, "Yeah, blow it out your blow hole, Nancy."

Is this typical under the rocks where you hide of the way to respond when you really don't have a response?

What do you think of RL's 11/1 system?  Maybe he'll license it to you if you're willing to organize the 10 state tour and pay him royalties.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/228321/1971188

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Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 15, 2011

Paging joker:

Hope you come back (retorts at the ready).

The threads not the same w/out ya!! Yes Nod

"The threads not the same w/out ya!!"

 

You're right, Cash, the cumulative IQ on this thread has gone up precipitously since joker collapsed like a cheap lawn chair under Oprah.

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

rdgrnr says, "Yeah, blow it out your blow hole, Nancy."

Is this typical under the rocks where you hide of the way to respond when you really don't have a response?

What do you think of RL's 11/1 system?  Maybe he'll license it to you if you're willing to organize the 10 state tour and pay him royalties.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/228321/1971188

I see by your avatar you're in drag again, Nancy.

Now you know you don't think straight when you're in vogue mode, tinkerbelle.

Have a nice Cranberry Spritzer and calm down now, you know how you get.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 15, 2011

"The threads not the same w/out ya!!"

 

You're right, Cash, the cumulative IQ on this thread has gone up precipitously since joker collapsed like a cheap lawn chair under Oprah.

Awww...Ridge - You're all heart......

C'mon....................admit it.. You miss joker too..!!..

CashWinner$

Shhht, I forgot to ask:

How come jimmy's name is Nancy?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 15, 2011

Awww...Ridge - You're all heart......

C'mon....................admit it.. You miss joker too..!!..

"C'mon....................admit it.. You miss joker too..!!.."

Yeah, kinda like that jock itch I had a couple years ago.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 15, 2011

Shhht, I forgot to ask:

How come jimmy's name is Nancy?

That's what he wants to be called.

He's kinda flighty but who am I to tell him what name to go by?

That's his business.

CashWinner$

Alrighty then! Glad to have that cleared up...?... Cool  LOL

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 15, 2011

Shhht, I forgot to ask:

How come jimmy's name is Nancy?

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

Oh I see. My whole life.....And I've never heard of that..

Nice 'moving' graphics -

CashWinner$

Have a great night everyone. Bed

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

jimmy4164

I suspect you already understand this coin toss, so what is it that you stand to lose, face, or money?

Have you too given up searching for a Blockbuster system, the Holy Grail?

_____________________________________________________

Well I stand to lose about $2.60 a day, but like everyone here, if I got real lucky and hit a jackpot........

Gamnling Tenet:

NEVER GIVE THE HOUSE THE CHANCE TO STAND TO WIN FROM YOU WHAT YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO WIN FROM IT.

As for any "Blockbiuster system, or "Holy Grail",  I would think you would know that the only one there is is booking the action.

joker17

Well, what do you know, today, another 20,176 or so kids died at an early age from starvation and/ or disease all over this planet.  But please remember this you brainwashed idiots, God loves you so much that he's gonna grant you a win in your favorite lottery of choice. Nevermind the 20, 175 or so kids..... that's not a priority.

I know, I could give every penny I have in my pockets right now, and all the money that I will make in the future for the rest of my life to help those kids, but that won't even make a dent. So pray very very hard folks because God wants you to win all that money.

dr65's avatardr65

Apples and oranges.

Hey joker, have you tested the mock prayer method? I know you have all kinds of methods going on...maybe that's the one!

What could it hurt? Or have you proven it wrong already?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 16, 2011

Well, what do you know, today, another 20,176 or so kids died at an early age from starvation and/ or disease all over this planet.  But please remember this you brainwashed idiots, God loves you so much that he's gonna grant you a win in your favorite lottery of choice. Nevermind the 20, 175 or so kids..... that's not a priority.

I know, I could give every penny I have in my pockets right now, and all the money that I will make in the future for the rest of my life to help those kids, but that won't even make a dent. So pray very very hard folks because God wants you to win all that money.

I feel sorry the most for the black Christian people in Southern Sudan that your "middle eastern muslim brothers" have been savagely murdering and slaughtering for years, men women and children. Hacking and butchering them to death with machetes like the barbarians they are. Your muslim brothers, your "race" as you call those animals.

What are you doing about that? Anything?

Anything at all?

No, you're not doing a thing but running your big mouth, as usual.

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

I know one thing, Nancy.

Those are some, shall we say, different, websites that you frequent.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

Oh, now this is getting interesting.  To my conjectures above about rdgrnr, he responds with...

"I know one thing, Nancy. Those are some, shall we say, different, websites that you frequent."

Well rdgrnr, I'm sure I'm not the only one curious to learn what some of these websites might be.  More importantly, we would all like to know just how you might conceivably "know" what websites another LotteryPost member navigates to.  Is this an unpublished service provided by LP management, or an unpublished feature of the browser code that you've discovered?  Either way, my friends over at CERT are all ears!

Tell us about it.

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I was referring to all those links you provide.

Have you gone daft or is your paranoia acting up again?

Either way, my friends over at the Funny Farm are all ears!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

A Blast From The Past:

Joker17,

I'm not sure who is clueless here.  The sole purpose of this website is to make money for its owners and I'm tired of providing entertainment for the silent majority of viewers without compensation.  Some of the posters who appear to be idiots might be just smart enough to purposefully stir the pot in ways that keep serious people busy churning out futile attempts to enlighten.  I'm convinced that at least one person is posting under multiple identities, sometimes taking opposing positions.  Others are using sneaky methods to promote lottery software sales.  And then there are the pathetic souls who use their anonymity to assert themselves in ways they undoubtedly would find impossible in real life.  The same obfuscation techniques are being used in this thread as in those that dealt with innumeracy.  The owners of this website have a vested interest in the propagation of the Gambler's Fallacy and I suspect they've discovered a positive correlation between innumeracy and strong religious beliefs.  Consequently, threads such as this one turn out to be money makers in the long run because they give the hired hands and [unwitting] volunteers additional opportunities to attempt to discredit scientific reasoning by associating it with atheism, deism, and humanism, ideas that believers are quite fearful of. 

You may continue to be played for a fool here;  I will not.

--Jimmy4164

 

But you're still here ain'tcha, Nancy?

And I'm still playin' ya, ain't I, Nancy ?

Just like strummin' the old banjo!   Guitar Yeeeeee haaaaaa!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Oh no, we got problems.

I just noticed karinda started a thread in Mystical called "Numbers help please for a "Praying Mantis"!

Nancy and the joke are going to go berserk when they see that.

Stupid mantis, it should be hoping or wishing, not praying.

Somebody "enlighten" those mantises please.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

Thanks rdgrnr.

You've answered my question.

First of all, I'm sorry that my links to philosophical, psychological, and mathematical sources appear so "strange" to you.  Fortunately, I've seen evidence that they've been useful to at least a few.

It's clear where you've decided to go with your "tacky tangent."  You will continue to evade serious questions by responding with perverse remarks questioning the sexuality and patriotism of those you disagree with.  At some point, you may be forced to pull back the curtain.

May you live in interesting times.

--Jimmy4164

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Gosh, you're suave, Nancy.

And of course it was the links.

What else in the world could I have been referring to, for goodness sakes?

Hmmm?

joker17

The clueless loser brainwashed idiots here have no clue why I keep writing the same thing over. So I have to explain it to them like they're 5 year olds. I'm sure Ridge was riding on the short bus because his comprehension level is lower than my snot.

And BTW, I'm not enlightening you Ridge because no one can enlighten a roach.

This is also to the witch Doctor65..

The whole point was about divine intervention when someone prays about winning money. If there is a God, I highly doubt he would put priorities over Joe schmo the loser, winning money, than saving 20,000 kids. So it never had anything to do with my efforts or anyone else doing their part in saving the kids. It was comparing the priorities.

Only Ridge, the witch doctor and RL would try to twist it around. People usually try to twist things around when they can't answer tough questions.

Poor Ridge, he still believes in Alice in wonderland and Snow white and the seven dwarfs.

I would've paid a million bucks to see Ridge's face if he was alive a long time ago when they found out the Earth wasn't the center of the universe. I'm sure he would've argued with the scientists for weeks on end, calling them names...What a loser you are Ridge. One big fat 300 pound loser drunk who never gets laid. Just sits around on his fat ass all day arguing with people about fairytales....

If there is a God, he'd be ashamed you were trying to be one of his representatives....Puke

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"I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread"     ~joker~ July 12, 2011

Well, I guess that was another lie then.

He's ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ck.

Hey joke, btw, how's your system workin' out?

I see Vergie had 21 hits in 22 days last time I checked. You know Vergie, right? She's the one who posts in that thread "Post Your Winning Tickets Here." It's a great thread. 19 members gave it 5 stars and only one gave it 1 star -------> you. I guess you don't like all those people showing all their wins when you've bought every hare-brained system on the market and lost your ass with every one. LOL

Have you even had 21 hits in your entire lifetime?  LOL 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Hey joke, between me and you...

Did you see your butt-buddy Nancy's new avatar? (hee hee hee hee heee!) I think he used his real picture this time! He looks like a cross between Kramer and Borat! LMAO! Seriously, check it out before he's see's this and changes it again! You're gonna LYAO!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

rdgrnr,

Sorry, but in my last post I forgot to remind you that you have yet to confide just what happened to you earlier in life that drives you to continually use derogatory homosexual references when attempting to ridicule people you don't agree with.  You like to refer to me as "Nancy" and truecritic as "Twinkletoes," and suggest we should get together.  I'm sure you shrug off these kinds of crude remarks as merely jokes, but the implication of every one you make is that the gay lifestyle is somehow wrong, or bad.  This can be very hurtful to anyone living that life.  In my quoted post above, I've conjectured that you have deep-seated homophobic problems.  If you disagree with this diagnosis, perhaps you could explain why.  If you agree, maybe you could tell us what happened to cause your condition.  I've noticed that many LPers can be very understanding and supportive.

I think you owe the gay community here at LP an apology, or at least an explanation.  You HAVE been kind of relentless in your degrading references to them.  Don't you agree?

--Jimmy4164

p.s.  New readers can refer back to rdgrnr's recent posts in this thread for examples of the remarks under discussion here.  You can find many of them elsewhere as well.
joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 16, 2011

"I'm officially done responding to retarded morons on this thread"     ~joker~ July 12, 2011

Well, I guess that was another lie then.

He's ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ck.

Hey joke, btw, how's your system workin' out?

I see Vergie had 21 hits in 22 days last time I checked. You know Vergie, right? She's the one who posts in that thread "Post Your Winning Tickets Here." It's a great thread. 19 members gave it 5 stars and only one gave it 1 star -------> you. I guess you don't like all those people showing all their wins when you've bought every hare-brained system on the market and lost your ass with every one. LOL

Have you even had 21 hits in your entire lifetime?  LOL 

First I like to respond by saying that since Todd won't allow me to keep writing the same thing over and over, I had to make a decision. Either stop responding to morons like you altogether, or stand my ground while you and others write lies about me. I chose the latter, at least for right now. It's all dependant on whether you keep responding with nonsensical racist remarks. I have better things to do than play 10 year old games with you. You are unable to have a healthy debate so we'll see.

Secondly, I've been working like a dog at work, so I haven't had the time to update the progress of my system. I will follow up on my next day off, which is this Tuesday. Even If I did lose since the last few workouts, I'm still ahead considering it only costs, 16 bucks a draw. Nevertheless, it's only a test. I actually enjoy using my brain as opposed to just believing what others write in a book. Even when I did buy systems a while back, I immediately backtested them.

Thrid, This is typical of you, never responding to what I write, like above in my last post in this thread. The only exception is when you twist around what I write as a distraction, like you just did in this response. 

Fourth, I know Vergie's thread. I have no doubt she is winning and don't want to rain on her parade. But unless someone can show me the numbers, and how many combos they play before the draw, it means nothing to me. I've been here at LP for a few years now, before I was Joker17, and seen many folks brag about their wins, but were never able to prove their overall wins in the longrun. I know of only one person who's been able to prove this to me. Again, I'm not asying Vergie is lying, I just wish she would show a cost/win workout. If you check my latest system, along with all the systems I've ever posted, I always show a detailed cost/win workout.

Win$500quick also claims he only spend 10 bucks a draw, but unless I see the combos posted before the draw everytime, and see for myself the cost/win ration, it's simply claims. And again, not that I don't beleive him, but it's hearsay as it stands now. We all know the odds are always against us, so I'm very skeptical by nature. I didn't rate his thread with any stars, so there you go again assuming it was me with no foundation.

If it were that easy to win consistently with license plate numbers, room numbers, grocery totals, and so on, most people would quit their jobs.

The very fact that you take what they say without proof is very telling. It shows me you don't need any proof, just like in your fantasy world of Gods, angels, and paraying for money. You believe what  anyone writes and whether it fits your agenda, which in this case is to make fun of my system productions because you lack any intellectual qualities. If you had any of those qualities, you would've addressed my post accordingly, and not brought up irrelevant issues such as Vergie.

I'm only wondering what your response will be to this post. Maybe it'll have something to do with how I part my hair?

Disapprove

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

"I didn't rate his thread with any stars, so there you go again assuming it was me with no foundation."

No one has to assume how many stars you rate anybody, it's all documented right there for everyone to see. You rated the thread Vergie posts her winning tickets in, one star. You were the only one to rate it one star (poor). 19 other members rated it 5 stars (excellent). You gonna lie about that now?

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

Maybe it's time to lock this thread? Just a suggestion.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

Maybe it's time to lock this thread? Just a suggestion.

I agree 100%.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

Maybe it's time to lock this thread? Just a suggestion.

Go reheat some golden retriever and relax, ding dong.

This ain't a police state like China yet where everybody has to shut up cuz you say so, so buzzoff and go eat your dog. Make a whole pu-pu platter out of it. Put a little Pekingese sauce in there to spice it up.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

"I didn't rate his thread with any stars, so there you go again assuming it was me with no foundation."

No one has to assume how many stars you rate anybody, it's all documented right there for everyone to see. You rated the thread Vergie posts her winning tickets in, one star. You were the only one to rate it one star (poor). 19 other members rated it 5 stars (excellent). You gonna lie about that now?

I must've rated it 1 star for another reason. It wasn't because of the thread, but because of a poster or some other reason.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

Maybe it's time to lock this thread? Just a suggestion.

Maybe it's time to buy a membership and start helping to support this place before you start calling the shots, you cheapskate, dog-eating commie

joker17

For your information Ridge, I just looked, it wasn't vergie's thread, it was Jordan's thread. That was because he rated my thread 1 star a while back, now I remember. So I did the same.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

I must've rated it 1 star for another reason. It wasn't because of the thread, but because of a poster or some other reason.

Yeah, right.

Allllllllllllllrighty then!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

For your information Ridge, I just looked, it wasn't vergie's thread, it was Jordan's thread. That was because he rated my thread 1 star a while back, now I remember. So I did the same.

Oh, so it was just revenge then. Even though it was a good thread and you liked it you rated it one star.

Okey dokey then.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

Yeah, right.

Allllllllllllllrighty then!

Yeah right nothing dirtbag. You can't even get your info right. Vergie my ass, it was Jordan, and we did have an argument a while back now that I remember. Ask him, he'll remember If you don't believe me.

More misinfornation by the Ridge the loser. Get your facts staright idiot. Below is the thread......Jordan, not Vergie....

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/216513

Sore loser you are Ridge. Can't even admit you fu**ed up....

I have no problems with Vergie...

Jordan, a while back created a thread about how great he was with systems, and I challenged him to prove it. It became a heated thread, and that's when he rated one of my threads 1 star. I even came back showing everyone how he reated it 1 star, and made fun of him. I laughed thinking how he thought it hurt me. Others came along and rated my thread up to show how childish he was, so I lowered myself to his level and rated it 1 star.

Ask Jordan If you don't believe me.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT...

 

OH I FORGOT, RIDGE DOESN'T DEAL WITH FACTS.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

Oh, so it was just revenge then. Even though it was a good thread and you liked it you rated it one star.

Okey dokey then.

Oh like you're such an angel....Give me a break you hyporcite....

I have to go to bed idiot.

Next time you open your crock smother, get your facts straight.....DUMBASS!

 

Ahaha hha hah ahhahaha ahhha...Ridge screwed up and can't admit it......and the whole world sees it.....YES !!!!!....THERE IS A GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUCKER !!!!!....PUT THAT INYOUR PIPE LOSER>>>>

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

Yeah right nothing dirtbag. You can't even get your info right. Vergie my ass, it was Jordan, and we did have an argument a while back now that I remember. Ask him, he'll remember If you don't believe me.

More misinfornation by the Ridge the loser. Get your facts staright idiot. Below is the thread......Jordan, not Vergie....

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/216513

Sore loser you are Ridge. Can't even admit you fu**ed up....

I have no problems with Vergie...

Jordan, a while back created a thread about how great he was with systems, and I challenged him to prove it. It became a heated thread, and that's when he rated one of my threads 1 star. I even came back showing everyone how he reated it 1 star, and made fun of him. I laughed thinking how he thought it hurt me. Others came along and rated my thread up to show how childish he was, so I lowered myself to his level and rated it 1 star.

Ask Jordan If you don't believe me.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT...

 

OH I FORGOT, RIDGE DOESN'T DEAL WITH FACTS.

You're an insufferable moron.

How many times do I have to repeat myself or do you just like to argue?

I said "the thread that Vergie posts her winning tickets in" you idiot.

I didn't say it was her thread or anybody's thread.

Get your head out of your ass, dipsh*t.

Or is that smell of rotting garbage, sweat, filth and curry powder in your cab getting to you?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

Oh like you're such an angel....Give me a break you hyporcite....

I have to go to bed idiot.

Next time you open your crock smother, get your facts straight.....DUMBASS!

 

Ahaha hha hah ahhahaha ahhha...Ridge screwed up and can't admit it......and the whole world sees it.....YES !!!!!....THERE IS A GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUCKER !!!!!....PUT THAT INYOUR PIPE LOSER>>>>

Go to bed loser, before your sweaty, smelly, hairy "roommate" goes to sleep and you don't get any.

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Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

Maybe it's time to lock this thread? Just a suggestion.

jackpotismine

If you read any of these 104 pages, I am sure you have seen the opinions of rdgrnr on many topics and his insults to people and countries.  While he didn't respond directly to you, his opinion is here in black and white.  A direct insult to China and the people of China.

rdgrnr is a female praying mantis.  He'll attack anyone and anything without a care and bite their head off!

"Original Post by rdgrnr

This ain't a police state like China yet where everybody has to shut up cuz you say so, so buzzoff and go eat your dog. Make a whole pu-pu platter out of it. Put a little Pekingese sauce in there to spice it up."

rdgrnr the female praying mantis

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

Maybe it's time to buy a membership and start helping to support this place before you start calling the shots, you cheapskate, dog-eating commie

(Good post truecritic! Here's some support for yours.)

rdgrnr,

So, now I can add Chinese people to my list of people you hate.  My tally for you so far includes gays, mathematicians, psychologists, Iranians, Oprah, Obama, communists, anyone with more education than you, and now, Chinese people.

Does anyone know of other entries I can add?

Why are you concerned about people supporting LP?

What do you have to gain from membership dues?

Are you willing to answer these questions?

By the way, when are you going to address these unanswered questions?

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2135992

--Jimmy4164

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 17, 2011

jackpotismine

If you read any of these 104 pages, I am sure you have seen the opinions of rdgrnr on many topics and his insults to people and countries.  While he didn't respond directly to you, his opinion is here in black and white.  A direct insult to China and the people of China.

rdgrnr is a female praying mantis.  He'll attack anyone and anything without a care and bite their head off!

"Original Post by rdgrnr

This ain't a police state like China yet where everybody has to shut up cuz you say so, so buzzoff and go eat your dog. Make a whole pu-pu platter out of it. Put a little Pekingese sauce in there to spice it up."

rdgrnr the female praying mantis

The opportunities to literally bite heads off that you've had are not something I'd be interested in, twinkletoes.

You'll have to talk to Nancy and the joke about that. They're both very lonely.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Wow, funny how you two show up at the same time.

Did The Manhole Lounge close early tonight?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

(Good post truecritic! Here's some support for yours.)

rdgrnr,

So, now I can add Chinese people to my list of people you hate.  My tally for you so far includes gays, mathematicians, psychologists, Iranians, Oprah, Obama, communists, anyone with more education than you, and now, Chinese people.

Does anyone know of other entries I can add?

Why are you concerned about people supporting LP?

What do you have to gain from membership dues?

Are you willing to answer these questions?

By the way, when are you going to address these unanswered questions?

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2135992

--Jimmy4164

No, no, no, it isn't just Kramer and Borat, it's that guy that was on a sitcom a long time ago, he was the brother to the main character in the show, he was a cop and kinda on the dopey side, I can't think of his name or the name of the show, that's gonna drive me nuts now... he had a real low voice...

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

F.Y.I.- Not only Chinese people live in China. I stand by my suggestion. I think it's time to lock this thread. Wink

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

(Good post truecritic! Here's some support for yours.)

rdgrnr,

So, now I can add Chinese people to my list of people you hate.  My tally for you so far includes gays, mathematicians, psychologists, Iranians, Oprah, Obama, communists, anyone with more education than you, and now, Chinese people.

Does anyone know of other entries I can add?

Why are you concerned about people supporting LP?

What do you have to gain from membership dues?

Are you willing to answer these questions?

By the way, when are you going to address these unanswered questions?

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2135992

--Jimmy4164

Does anyone have a theory explaining how rdgrnr gets away with racist, homophobic, and generally unsavory language and inferences?  Threads have been shut down for much less.

Does he have family ties?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

F.Y.I.- Not only Chinese people live in China. I stand by my suggestion. I think it's time to lock this thread. Wink

Stop eating dogs!

Step into the 21st Century.

And tell them criminals to get out of Tibet too, you dog-eating commie!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

Does anyone have a theory explaining how rdgrnr gets away with racist, homophobic, and generally unsavory language and inferences?  Threads have been shut down for much less.

Does he have family ties?

I don't respond to shouting.

Do an edit and make it quieter.

Do it now.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

(Good post truecritic! Here's some support for yours.)

rdgrnr,

So, now I can add Chinese people to my list of people you hate.  My tally for you so far includes gays, mathematicians, psychologists, Iranians, Oprah, Obama, communists, anyone with more education than you, and now, Chinese people.

Does anyone know of other entries I can add?

Why are you concerned about people supporting LP?

What do you have to gain from membership dues?

Are you willing to answer these questions?

By the way, when are you going to address these unanswered questions?

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2135992

--Jimmy4164

"I can add Chinese people to my list of people you hate."

 

Listen to this, Nancy: MAO WAS A SCHMUCK!

There, now you have something more to whine and complain about.

Will that pacify you for a while tinkerbelle?

Or do you need joker to wetnurse you?

Maybe you two can find out once and for all why males have nipples.

How about it tinkerbelle?   

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

Does anyone have a theory explaining how rdgrnr gets away with racist, homophobic, and generally unsavory language and inferences?  Threads have been shut down for much less.

Does he have family ties?

rdgrnr said,

I don't respond to shouting.

Do an edit and make it quieter.

Do it now.

I wonder why; I wasn't talking to him.

Confused

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It really isn't possible to enlighten people who believe they are already as enlightened as they can be.  And I have found this to be true here when it comes to discussions of the mathematics of lottery play as well as during [attempts to] discuss the absurdity of anthropomorphizing God.

What's most puzzling about this thread is that the [in their minds] most enlightened posters seem to have abandoned their lottery betting system research in exchange for the opportunity to make feeble attempts to discredit atheists, deists, and humanists.  If I had a (5,39) Lotto system that could return 550% on my investment, I'd be touring the 10 states that provide those games, bankrolled by my disciples, in style.

jimbo

The digit system is still going strong,  Why would I need to travel when I can play here.   I have heard that

the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence but it's perty green right here.  What would be the

point of touring 10 states when maybe 1 in ten draws I can find enough data to make a good run.  Maybe I

could on those days buy a airline ticket, rent a car to get around and book a room for the night.  I think will

just continue to play my $15.00 a couple times a week or month or whatever depending on what the data says. 

Sorry you can't come to grips that I can win more then the odds say, "which really they don't"  It's just you don't

understand what you say you know so well.   Too much side stepping the main issues here in order to save face

you need to change what I say into something else.  If I could play any game in any state at any time I wanted

and win all the time we would not be having this conversation.  Just like the dude that took vegas for millions,

knowing when to play has it's rewards.   I guess he should return the money because the odds "according your

understanding"  say he should have lost.  Just because people won't share their systems with you, you  feel the

need to run them down.  Why don't you get a life instead of spending so much time here.   You are a little boring

most of the time.  Just like VD who thinks he has proved every system is a failure, the only thing he has proved is

that he is clueless.   I will however say this one more time hoping it sinks in.  The odds for a game are for selecting 

numbers at RAMDOM.  If the drawing process is less then random then those odds do not apply.       

RL

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

You are a funny guy! I'm not offended by your comments. I think you're hilarious!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

No, no, no, it isn't just Kramer and Borat, it's that guy that was on a sitcom a long time ago, he was the brother to the main character in the show, he was a cop and kinda on the dopey side, I can't think of his name or the name of the show, that's gonna drive me nuts now... he had a real low voice...

ROBERT!  RAY'S BROTHER ON THE EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND SHOW! (I have to admit I didn't think of it, a friend alerted me)

Look at Nancy's picture! He's a cross between Kramer, Borat and Robert!

Very creepy, but Nancy is a very creepy guy with all his insane, rambling, off-the-wall, kookie, psychotic nonsense he preaches constantly. I think he may even be a little nuttier than joker, if that's possible.

But he's still our favorite tranny!Hippy

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 17, 2011

jackpotismine

If you read any of these 104 pages, I am sure you have seen the opinions of rdgrnr on many topics and his insults to people and countries.  While he didn't respond directly to you, his opinion is here in black and white.  A direct insult to China and the people of China.

rdgrnr is a female praying mantis.  He'll attack anyone and anything without a care and bite their head off!

"Original Post by rdgrnr

This ain't a police state like China yet where everybody has to shut up cuz you say so, so buzzoff and go eat your dog. Make a whole pu-pu platter out of it. Put a little Pekingese sauce in there to spice it up."

rdgrnr the female praying mantis

It appears that the princess has "gone around the bend" as they say.

Yes, stark, raving mad. He now believes I'm a praying mantis, to wit: "rdgrnr is a female praying mantis."

 

I just want it known that I take no pleasure in knowing that I have driven someone totally and irreversibly insane.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

(Good post truecritic! Here's some support for yours.)

rdgrnr,

So, now I can add Chinese people to my list of people you hate.  My tally for you so far includes gays, mathematicians, psychologists, Iranians, Oprah, Obama, communists, anyone with more education than you, and now, Chinese people.

Does anyone know of other entries I can add?

Why are you concerned about people supporting LP?

What do you have to gain from membership dues?

Are you willing to answer these questions?

By the way, when are you going to address these unanswered questions?

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2135992

--Jimmy4164

Add LIBS and Democrats and ACLU.

Although from his posts, it sounds like he IS all of those. 

He claims to hate the ACLU and libs - yet recent court cases are what ALLOW him to make these hateful remarks - and they were brought about by the ACLU!

Westboro Baptist Church Wins Supreme Court Appeal Over Funeral Protests.  WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that a grieving father's pain over mocking protests at his Marine son's funeral must yield to First Amendment protections for free speech.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 17, 2011

Add LIBS and Democrats and ACLU.

Although from his posts, it sounds like he IS all of those. 

He claims to hate the ACLU and libs - yet recent court cases are what ALLOW him to make these hateful remarks - and they were brought about by the ACLU!

Westboro Baptist Church Wins Supreme Court Appeal Over Funeral Protests.  WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that a grieving father's pain over mocking protests at his Marine son's funeral must yield to First Amendment protections for free speech.

dr65 was right, princess.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You need help.

Why don't you join Nancy and joker, they're wetnursing each other tonight.

I'm sure they'll let you join in.

Goodnight, twinkletoes.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

dr65 was right, princess.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You need help.

Why don't you join Nancy and joker, they're wetnursing each other tonight.

I'm sure they'll let you join in.

Goodnight, twinkletoes.

Brad Garrett...aka Robert.....supplied the voice for 'Bloat' a character in 'Finding Nemo'...a Disney movie for kids.

Bloat is a puffer fish.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 17, 2011

Brad Garrett...aka Robert.....supplied the voice for 'Bloat' a character in 'Finding Nemo'...a Disney movie for kids.

Bloat is a puffer fish.

LOL, and how fitting is that?!

All puffed up and bloated and full of hot air, LOL.

Thanks dr.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Nancy is like that nutty guy you see on the street corner of any big city preaching some kind of nonsense that nobody understands or cares about.

But like them, it makes him feel better to do it so we just ignore him, smile and walk on by.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Like a ship that’s tossed and driven,
Battered by an angry sea
When the storms of life are raging,
And the burdens fall on me

I wonder what have I done,
That makes this race so hard to run
Then I say to my soul, don't worry
The Lord will make a way somehow


The Lord will make a way somehow
When beneath the cross I bow
HE will take away each sorrow
Let HIM have your burdens now

When the loads bears down so heavy
The weight is shown upon my brow
There’s a sweet relief in knowing
The Lord will make a way somehow 


I try to do my best in service
I try to do the very best I can 
Sometimes my enemies are camped all around me 
And evil’s there on every hand

I look up and wonder why
That good fortune's passed me by
Then I say to my soul, don't worry
The Lord will make a way somehow

The Lord will make a way somehow

When beneath the cross I bow

HE will take away each sorrow

Let HIM have your burdens now 


So many nights I'm tossed and driven
Wondering what tomorrow brings
Then I say to my soul, don’t worry
The Lord will make a way somehow

The Lord will make a way somehow

When beneath the cross I bow

HE will take away your sorrows

Let HIM have your burdens now

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 15, 2011

It's common in some circles to refer to a homosexual male as a "Nancy."  rdgrnr either suspects that I fit in that category, or possibly doesn't even have an opinion.  Either way, he hopes that if he keeps spewing out nasty comments which come easily for him because of his deep seated homophobic nature, he will cause me to blow my stack.  It really frustrates him that I don't seem bothered by his remarks, and I suspect that now he really doesn't know which way to go with this tacky tangent he has created.

Oh well...

...what can be expected from someone like this...

rdgrnr,

Are you going to dig up another poem to push this post above the fold too?

You just can't deal with the tough questions, can you?

 

Newcomers can get up to date here...

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2136056

 

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

I will try again to get something to sink in to YOUR mind...

Lack of randomness and a system is not required for someone to win as you claim you do.  Randomness provides all the dispersion of results required.  Try adapting this program to your (5,39) game and find out for yourself.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/229947/2032391

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Thanks for the Blast from the Past Nancy! I was LMAO! It was like a trip down memory lane. My own golden oldies!

Which was your favorite?

 

MAO IS A SCHMUCK!

You dog-eating commie!

Joker is wet-nursing Nancy and the princess and they're requesting a shaver and deodorant!   <---------  LMAO!

Nancy looks like a cross between Borat and Kramer!

The princess and Nancy visit The Manhole Lounge!

I've become a female praying mantis!

Princess Twinkletoes goes insane!

 

And that was just one page!

 

(Coming soon) Nancy and the princess visit The Swordfighter Lounge! LMAO!

numbergirly's avatarnumbergirly

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

I Agree!

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Which was your favorite?

Rdgrnr, I liked that one about:

I saw a bird out in the snow

it was cold for this I know

I lurded it near me with some bread

and then......

Scared

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jul 17, 2011

jimbo

The digit system is still going strong,  Why would I need to travel when I can play here.   I have heard that

the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence but it's perty green right here.  What would be the

point of touring 10 states when maybe 1 in ten draws I can find enough data to make a good run.  Maybe I

could on those days buy a airline ticket, rent a car to get around and book a room for the night.  I think will

just continue to play my $15.00 a couple times a week or month or whatever depending on what the data says. 

Sorry you can't come to grips that I can win more then the odds say, "which really they don't"  It's just you don't

understand what you say you know so well.   Too much side stepping the main issues here in order to save face

you need to change what I say into something else.  If I could play any game in any state at any time I wanted

and win all the time we would not be having this conversation.  Just like the dude that took vegas for millions,

knowing when to play has it's rewards.   I guess he should return the money because the odds "according your

understanding"  say he should have lost.  Just because people won't share their systems with you, you  feel the

need to run them down.  Why don't you get a life instead of spending so much time here.   You are a little boring

most of the time.  Just like VD who thinks he has proved every system is a failure, the only thing he has proved is

that he is clueless.   I will however say this one more time hoping it sinks in.  The odds for a game are for selecting 

numbers at RAMDOM.  If the drawing process is less then random then those odds do not apply.       

RL

"Just because people won't share their systems with you, you  feel the need to run them down."

Sounds to me like a former compulsive gambler who now believes it's his duty warn people of the dangers of wagering a couple bucks on lottery games. Who else but a degenerate gambler would suggest a group of people would wager $3168 twice a week for a year or play the same pick-3 number $1 straight in every drawing for over 33 years?

"You are a little boring most of the time."

You're being too kind by saying "a little boring" because over and over his posts are about things most lottery players already know. Even in this thread he copied a book just to show a few Bible contradictions that biblical scholars knew for centuries. I guess it never occurred to him that if the churches were trying to hide something, they would corrected the contradictions years ago.

"Just like VD who thinks he has proved every system is a failure, the only thing he has proved is that he is clueless."

Don't be fooled by VD's Richard Nixon speech; he's probably lerking and reading every word.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 17, 2011

jackpotismine

If you read any of these 104 pages, I am sure you have seen the opinions of rdgrnr on many topics and his insults to people and countries.  While he didn't respond directly to you, his opinion is here in black and white.  A direct insult to China and the people of China.

rdgrnr is a female praying mantis.  He'll attack anyone and anything without a care and bite their head off!

"Original Post by rdgrnr

This ain't a police state like China yet where everybody has to shut up cuz you say so, so buzzoff and go eat your dog. Make a whole pu-pu platter out of it. Put a little Pekingese sauce in there to spice it up."

rdgrnr the female praying mantis

The mantis prays, therefore not an atheist,  but they also prey.   Do they pray before they eat their prey?  Reminds me of a joke:

An atheist was walking through the woods.

"What majestic trees"!

"What powerful rivers"!

"What beautiful animals"!

He said to himself.

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.

He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right On top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out, "Oh my God!"

Time Stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was still.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. "You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident." "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer"?

The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps You could make the BEAR a Christian"?

"Very Well," said the Voice.

The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke:

"Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen."

Drum  PS Lotsa bear attacks this week, one deadly at yellowstone.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jul 17, 2011

The mantis prays, therefore not an atheist,  but they also prey.   Do they pray before they eat their prey?  Reminds me of a joke:

An atheist was walking through the woods.

"What majestic trees"!

"What powerful rivers"!

"What beautiful animals"!

He said to himself.

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.

He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right On top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out, "Oh my God!"

Time Stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was still.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. "You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident." "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer"?

The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps You could make the BEAR a Christian"?

"Very Well," said the Voice.

The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke:

"Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen."

Drum  PS Lotsa bear attacks this week, one deadly at yellowstone.

Green laugh

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jul 17, 2011

The mantis prays, therefore not an atheist,  but they also prey.   Do they pray before they eat their prey?  Reminds me of a joke:

An atheist was walking through the woods.

"What majestic trees"!

"What powerful rivers"!

"What beautiful animals"!

He said to himself.

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.

He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right On top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out, "Oh my God!"

Time Stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was still.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. "You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident." "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer"?

The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps You could make the BEAR a Christian"?

"Very Well," said the Voice.

The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke:

"Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen."

Drum  PS Lotsa bear attacks this week, one deadly at yellowstone.

good one, lmao.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jul 17, 2011

The mantis prays, therefore not an atheist,  but they also prey.   Do they pray before they eat their prey?  Reminds me of a joke:

An atheist was walking through the woods.

"What majestic trees"!

"What powerful rivers"!

"What beautiful animals"!

He said to himself.

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.

He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right On top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out, "Oh my God!"

Time Stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was still.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. "You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident." "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer"?

The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps You could make the BEAR a Christian"?

"Very Well," said the Voice.

The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke:

"Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen."

Drum  PS Lotsa bear attacks this week, one deadly at yellowstone.

ROFL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

You're an insufferable moron.

How many times do I have to repeat myself or do you just like to argue?

I said "the thread that Vergie posts her winning tickets in" you idiot.

I didn't say it was her thread or anybody's thread.

Get your head out of your ass, dipsh*t.

Or is that smell of rotting garbage, sweat, filth and curry powder in your cab getting to you?

You're the freaking moron. Let me say it slowly so your dumbass redneck short bus mind can get it. I rated it 1 star....NOT because of all the winning tickets, but because Of Jordan....so go eff yourself and buy a clue If you have to. I've never had a conversation with such a loser idiot who doesn't know how to read....DUMBASS....GET A CLUE!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 17, 2011

jackpotismine

If you read any of these 104 pages, I am sure you have seen the opinions of rdgrnr on many topics and his insults to people and countries.  While he didn't respond directly to you, his opinion is here in black and white.  A direct insult to China and the people of China.

rdgrnr is a female praying mantis.  He'll attack anyone and anything without a care and bite their head off!

"Original Post by rdgrnr

This ain't a police state like China yet where everybody has to shut up cuz you say so, so buzzoff and go eat your dog. Make a whole pu-pu platter out of it. Put a little Pekingese sauce in there to spice it up."

rdgrnr the female praying mantis

The princess reminds me of Captain Queeg (played by Humphrey Bogart) the unbalanced captain from the movie "The Caine Mutiny"

 

Captain Queeg: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...

 

"rdgrnr is a female praying mantis.  He'll attack anyone and anything without a care and bite their head off" Crazy

LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

F.Y.I.- Not only Chinese people live in China. I stand by my suggestion. I think it's time to lock this thread. Wink

 Forget the thread, I just wish I was in front of Ridge so I can lock his mouth forever. He needs a good ass kicking. I'm not a violent person, but this kind of scum needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. One less religious moron screwing up the advancement of technology with his backward hillbilly douche for a brain. Ooooohhh, I wish I was there to finally shut his trap.

The only problem with that Is that I'd spend the rest of my life in jail, or get the death penalty. Lowest scum of the Earth.Puke

He wouldn't know what hit him...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

You're the freaking moron. Let me say it slowly so your dumbass redneck short bus mind can get it. I rated it 1 star....NOT because of all the winning tickets, but because Of Jordan....so go eff yourself and buy a clue If you have to. I've never had a conversation with such a loser idiot who doesn't know how to read....DUMBASS....GET A CLUE!

You just want to argue all the time like an old woman.

Why don't you put one of those black bags you make women wear over yourself, you obnoxious moron?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jul 17, 2011

Does anyone have a theory explaining how rdgrnr gets away with racist, homophobic, and generally unsavory language and inferences?  Threads have been shut down for much less.

Does he have family ties?

I do, but i wouldn't write it here because of the possible repercussions.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Jul 17, 2011

You are a funny guy! I'm not offended by your comments. I think you're hilarious!

Then there must be something very wrong with you. He's as hilarious as the fungus in his shorts.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

 Forget the thread, I just wish I was in front of Ridge so I can lock his mouth forever. He needs a good ass kicking. I'm not a violent person, but this kind of scum needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. One less religious moron screwing up the advancement of technology with his backward hillbilly douche for a brain. Ooooohhh, I wish I was there to finally shut his trap.

The only problem with that Is that I'd spend the rest of my life in jail, or get the death penalty. Lowest scum of the Earth.Puke

He wouldn't know what hit him...

death has lost it's meaning.Bed

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

Like a ship that’s tossed and driven,
Battered by an angry sea
When the storms of life are raging,
And the burdens fall on me

I wonder what have I done,
That makes this race so hard to run
Then I say to my soul, don't worry
The Lord will make a way somehow


The Lord will make a way somehow
When beneath the cross I bow
HE will take away each sorrow
Let HIM have your burdens now

When the loads bears down so heavy
The weight is shown upon my brow
There’s a sweet relief in knowing
The Lord will make a way somehow 


I try to do my best in service
I try to do the very best I can 
Sometimes my enemies are camped all around me 
And evil’s there on every hand

I look up and wonder why
That good fortune's passed me by
Then I say to my soul, don't worry
The Lord will make a way somehow

The Lord will make a way somehow

When beneath the cross I bow

HE will take away each sorrow

Let HIM have your burdens now 


So many nights I'm tossed and driven
Wondering what tomorrow brings
Then I say to my soul, don’t worry
The Lord will make a way somehow

The Lord will make a way somehow

When beneath the cross I bow

HE will take away your sorrows

Let HIM have your burdens now

Take that brainwashed God crap and shove it up your ass. Your copy and paste of Artist's lyrics with lord this and lord that only proves there's plenty more idiot brainwashed morons out there just like you. Just because they're famous gives absolutely no credednce to your fairytales.  Wake up loser. The Bible is making your already s**t brains S**ttier...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by numbergirly on Jul 17, 2011

I Agree!

No it's not because Ridge said so. It has to be divine intervention. We all know God puts priority in helping working slobs like you and me win a lottery over much more important issues like the world going to schmidt.

When will these mindless freaks ever wake up?....WHEN?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

 Forget the thread, I just wish I was in front of Ridge so I can lock his mouth forever. He needs a good ass kicking. I'm not a violent person, but this kind of scum needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. One less religious moron screwing up the advancement of technology with his backward hillbilly douche for a brain. Ooooohhh, I wish I was there to finally shut his trap.

The only problem with that Is that I'd spend the rest of my life in jail, or get the death penalty. Lowest scum of the Earth.Puke

He wouldn't know what hit him...

"this kind of scum needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth."

 

Wow, that's the exact same thing your president said about Israel!

You and ahmadinejad are like Bobsey Twins!

You not only think alike and look alike, you even say the same things !

 

But believe me, Yosemite Sam, you wouldn't be kickin anybody's ass, least of all mine.

I'd step on you like the c-ckroach you are.

 

In fact, I wouldn't even do that, and I wouldn't even turn my boys loose on ya.

I'd let my daughters kick your ass.

And they'd enjoy it after I tell them that you like to beat up women.

 

"He wouldn't know what hit him..."

Whatcha got in mind Mahmoud? A knife in the back or blowing yourself up next to me before I squash you under my boot like a roach?

 

You're all talk just like your hero, baghdad bob. 

You're a joke.

And a gutless coward. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

You just want to argue all the time like an old woman.

Why don't you put one of those black bags you make women wear over yourself, you obnoxious moron?

I'm the moron?....I don't believe in Vampires and Daffy duck....A-hole...maybe you should look in the mirror dumbass. Stop believing in fairytales and I may take you seriously, but I doubt you will. You're hooked forever. Just waiting for that heaven in the sky bullschmidt which will never happen. Keep dreaming though, it's nice to delude yourself, but don't expect me to take you, for a lack of a better term, HUMAN, seriously. You're a despicable excuse for the human kind.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

I do, but i wouldn't write it here because of the possible repercussions.

More proof you're a gutless coward.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

No it's not because Ridge said so. It has to be divine intervention. We all know God puts priority in helping working slobs like you and me win a lottery over much more important issues like the world going to schmidt.

When will these mindless freaks ever wake up?....WHEN?

Working slob?

You're a slob, yes, but you don't work.

You just drive a car all day, a very stinky one.

All people drive a car to work but they know that driving to work isn't work.

Any moron could do that.

And you're the proof.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

"this kind of scum needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth."

 

Wow, that's the exact same thing your president said about Israel!

You and ahmadinejad are like Bobsey Twins!

You not only think alike and look alike, you even say the same things !

 

But believe me, Yosemite Sam, you wouldn't be kickin anybody's ass, least of all mine.

I'd step on you like the c-ckroach you are.

 

In fact, I wouldn't even do that, and I wouldn't even turn my boys loose on ya.

I'd let my daughters kick your ass.

And they'd enjoy it after I tell them that you like to beat up women.

 

"He wouldn't know what hit him..."

Whatcha got in mind Mahmoud? A knife in the back or blowing yourself up next to me before I squash you under my boot like a roach?

 

You're all talk just like your hero, baghdad bob. 

You're a joke.

And a gutless coward. 

It would make my freaking day to watch you beg for mercy crying like a bitch that you are. I have no mercy for scum like you. You're worst than my worst enemy. I have more respect for a pile of steaming Rhino crap than I will ever have for you. You're worst than scum, you're the Aids virus times ten loser.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

More proof you're a gutless coward.

No coward here dumbass. I know where to draw the line. Somehow you get away with your crap here and I know why, but i have a feeling my credit card isn't a Black Amercian Express like yours. That's all I'm saying.....If you can't figure that out, it only shows me again.....what an idiot you are.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

It would make my freaking day to watch you beg for mercy crying like a bitch that you are. I have no mercy for scum like you. You're worst than my worst enemy. I have more respect for a pile of steaming Rhino crap than I will ever have for you. You're worst than scum, you're the Aids virus times ten loser.

You shouldn't joke about that virus while living that lifestyle with your "roommates".

Now apologize.

Do it now.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

No coward here dumbass. I know where to draw the line. Somehow you get away with your crap here and I know why, but i have a feeling my credit card isn't a Black Amercian Express like yours. That's all I'm saying.....If you can't figure that out, it only shows me again.....what an idiot you are.

Stop being a racist!

Apologize!

Do it now!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

Working slob?

You're a slob, yes, but you don't work.

You just drive a car all day, a very stinky one.

All people drive a car to work but they know that driving to work isn't work.

Any moron could do that.

And you're the proof.

Can't answer the tough questions. Why am I even surprised? We're talking about a robot who can't think for himself, and thinks his pathetic comedy routines will put me in my place. Wrong loser, everyone here can see your sidestep routines DUMBASS !

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

You shouldn't joke about that virus while living that lifestyle with your "roommates".

Now apologize.

Do it now.

You're nothing but a piece of Schmidt!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

Can't answer the tough questions. Why am I even surprised? We're talking about a robot who can't think for himself, and thinks his pathetic comedy routines will put me in my place. Wrong loser, everyone here can see your sidestep routines DUMBASS !

What am I sidestepping, Mahmoud?

You drive a stinkmobile and turn people's stomachs with the curried stench all day and call it work.

Is that a lie?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

You're nothing but a piece of Schmidt!

Are you saying that I smell like your cab?

Cuz that would be the supreme insult!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by on Mar 19, 2024

We can tell when you know you're beat, loser.

First the foul name calling.

Then it's racism.

Then you have to go to bed. (with your hairy, sweaty, stinky little "roommate")

I think it's going to be an early night tonight.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

We can tell when you know you're beat, loser.

First the foul name calling.

Then it's racism.

Then you have to go to bed. (with your hairy, sweaty, stinky little "roommate")

I think it's going to be an early night tonight.

The only thing I've beaten is my desk. I'm practicing. Your head would be nicer. Maybe knock some sense, but I don't think I could. It's harder than a block of petrified Elephant shcmidt.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

We can tell when you know you're beat, loser.

First the foul name calling.

Then it's racism.

Then you have to go to bed. (with your hairy, sweaty, stinky little "roommate")

I think it's going to be an early night tonight.

I'm gonna stop replying to you as If you actually respond to the content of what I write. I can see now that it's futile to write back using common sense. I need to treat you the same way you treat everyone else here, with insults and with a caveman mentality, cause that's all you know. You're worthless to talk to sensibly. In your pathetic world, all you understand is akin to a 10 year old making lame insults. So go eff yourself, I'm sure you understand that.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

The only thing I've beaten is my desk. I'm practicing. Your head would be nicer. Maybe knock some sense, but I don't think I could. It's harder than a block of petrified Elephant shcmidt.

Go to bed if that's all you've got, loser.

Bashir is probably waiting with open arms.

The curry on his breath will be intoxicating to you (and nauseating to everybody else).

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 17, 2011

I'm gonna stop replying to you as If you actually respond to the content of what I write. I can see now that it's futile to write back using common sense. I need to treat you the same way you treat everyone else here, with insults and with a caveman mentality, cause that's all you know. You're worthless to talk to sensibly. In your pathetic world, all you understand is akin to a 10 year old making lame insults. So go eff yourself, I'm sure you understand that.

"I need to treat you...  ...with a caveman mentality..."

Well that should be fairly easy, afterall, you are a caveman.

And obviously we haven't been able to civilize you yet since you came here from that backward little stoneage country.

 

But give me a few days with ya and I guarantee you'd act civilized, boy.

You'd act like a human being or be running back to your cave spitting out your teeth along the way.

Believe that, Mahmoud.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 18, 2011

"I need to treat you...  ...with a caveman mentality..."

Well that should be fairly easy, afterall, you are a caveman.

And obviously we haven't been able to civilize you yet since you came here from that backward little stoneage country.

 

But give me a few days with ya and I guarantee you'd act civilized, boy.

You'd act like a human being or be running back to your cave spitting out your teeth along the way.

Believe that, Mahmoud.

I'd pick you're 3 braincells off the ground after I was done with you. You'd wish you hadn't met me face to face loser. You don't know me from a hole in the ground. I'd smear your face in sheep sh*t and then feed it to you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by on Mar 19, 2024

Oooooooh, looks like I struck a nerve! You're losing it!

I can read you like a book my little ayatollah ahmadinejad.

I can push your buttons and make you dance for me like my own little marionette! You're my little puppet on a string!

Now dance for me, my little puppet, dance!

Just keep your arms down... the stench... you know.

joker17

Poor Ridge, he believes in the Pink panther, Godzilla, and angels. Maybe he'll start worshipping him. You never know, he believes in anything someone writes down on a piece of paper. So sad that adults believe in this crap in the 21st century. What a dumbass.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 18, 2011

Oooooooh, looks like I struck a nerve! You're losing it!

I can read you like a book my little ayatollah ahmadinejad.

I can push your buttons and make you dance for me like my own little marionette! You're my little puppet on a string!

Now dance for me, my little puppet, dance!

Just keep your arms down... the stench... you know.

DUH, I believe in Unicorns, and fairy godmothers...I'm and idiot...

I can't tell reality from the truth If it smacked me in the face cause I'm a gullible Christian. I'd believe in the boogeyman too If there were enough people who also believed in them too...DUH!!!!.....I also believe in Goblins and Frankenstein.....

How long do you plan on staying a dumbass?

joker17

Hey Ridge, maybe If I make cut-out paper idols with holy facades on them, would you believe in them?...I'll color them up....Jazz it all up with sparkles and wings. That should get you all excited. Maybe I'll draw a rainbow around some stars with a picture of a comet heading towards Earth as a sign of wonders and omens. That should tickle your fancy.

Maybe If I make a statue that looks like a horse's ass. Will you kneel down and worship it?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 18, 2011

Poor Ridge, he believes in the Pink panther, Godzilla, and angels. Maybe he'll start worshipping him. You never know, he believes in anything someone writes down on a piece of paper. So sad that adults believe in this crap in the 21st century. What a dumbass.

Hey joke, allah forgot to mention it but your 72 virgins are going to be goats! White BounceLOL

The sad part is that that's probably fine with you. Green laugh

joker17

Please someone,,,anyone....just tell me a story cause I'm desparate for an answer to life...I need someone to hold my hand and show me the way because I'm too scared.....Please.....I'm a sheep who'll listen to anything....please....

I can't think for myself, so I need some guidance....anything, even If it doesn't make a lick of sense, as long as I feel good inside....cause I'm weak.

Jesus?.....Holy mother of guacomole?....Anything please....I need help....I just can't do it on my own cause I'm a loser...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Well here then joker17. Since you're fond of saying "Oh the irony", how's this?

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better.”

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006
joker17

See?....it ahs to be true....Mary showed herself on a pice of toast, so it's a freaking miracle!!!!

Maybe God can show up on your dirty underwear Ridge. That would be a sign from Heaven, cause that story stinks to high heaven.

Wait a minute. I just saw God on a piece of snot. I'll believe anything....It must mean it'snot from the devil. I don't want to got to hell, so I'm gonna believe that Santa is gonna save my pathetic soul.

I'm so GULLIBLE IT"S NOT FUNNY!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

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Come and make sweet love jo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ker! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h!White Bounce

 

     LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 18, 2011

Well here then joker17. Since you're fond of saying "Oh the irony", how's this?

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better.”

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

You can't even figure out a simple QP argument. Get past frist grade and then come back here. Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 18, 2011

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Come and make sweet love jo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ker! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h!White Bounce

 

     LOL

DUH, I believe in Frogs that turn into a prince cause I'm a gullible idiot that beleievs in fairytales....DUH....

What a freakazoid christian wannabe.

Take your religious christian God crap and stick that BS up your ass, cause that's where it belongs.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 18, 2011

You can't even figure out a simple QP argument. Get past frist grade and then come back here. Crazy

I remember when one of your leaders (ayatollah khomeini) wrote a ruling on which animals it was ok for your people to copulate with.

I remember laughing when I saw that one of them was pigeons.

Pigeons, joker, really?

And you want to straighten out Americans and Christians?

Do you have any pet pigeons joker?

 

You idiots must be hung like hamsters to be able to do pigeons!  LOLROFL

No wonder women would never have anything to do with you.

(Not that you'd be interested anyway, with your "roommates" available for action)

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 18, 2011

You can't even figure out a simple QP argument. Get past frist grade and then come back here. Crazy

I can't figure it out? I tracked a game every drawing for three years and posted the results, which came out to about 80% QPs taking the jackpots.

Et Vous? Oh, that's right, you went to Msvrn U., whose motto is Opinion Over Knowledge?

May you book a big winner only to have a camel pee on the ticket and render it invalid.

Green laugh Green laugh   Green laugh  Green laugh  Green laugh

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 18, 2011

I can't figure it out? I tracked a game every drawing for three years and posted the results, which came out to about 80% QPs taking the jackpots.

Et Vous? Oh, that's right, you went to Msvrn U., whose motto is Opinion Over Knowledge?

May you book a big winner only to have a camel pee on the ticket and render it invalid.

Green laugh Green laugh   Green laugh  Green laugh  Green laugh

LOLThumbs Up

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Anybody here see such childish behavior, I mean outside of the 3rd grade?  I do believe rdgrnr is a sexual predator that needs to be taught some respect. 

White Bounceba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah!White Bounce

Come and make sweet love! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h!White Bounce

 

He keeps making stuff up...where does rdgrnr get this crap?  We all  know everyone responding at the moment is an American citizen - so why does rdgrnr keep lying and making up crap like this?

"I remember when one of your leaders (ayatollah khomeini)"

 

rdgrnr is a gutless coward - rdgrnr won't show up face to face.  I'm sure that is from having the crap beat out of him in 3rd grade!

Here's some parting words for rdgrnr the gutless coward:

Give me a few days with ya and I guarantee you'd act civilized, boy.  You'd act like a human being or be running back to your cave spitting out your teeth along the way.

Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this
failure to communicate on your part!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Well, joker appears to have run off to the arms of his "roommate" Bashir, to be wetnursed.

He's off to dreamland now, a land where there's an endless supply of women to beat and hairy men to wetnurse him and discuss the male nipple and how that proves there is no God - only spacemonkeys.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jul 18, 2011

Anybody here see such childish behavior, I mean outside of the 3rd grade?  I do believe rdgrnr is a sexual predator that needs to be taught some respect. 

White Bounceba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah!White Bounce

Come and make sweet love! ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h!White Bounce

 

He keeps making stuff up...where does rdgrnr get this crap?  We all  know everyone responding at the moment is an American citizen - so why does rdgrnr keep lying and making up crap like this?

"I remember when one of your leaders (ayatollah khomeini)"

 

rdgrnr is a gutless coward - rdgrnr won't show up face to face.  I'm sure that is from having the crap beat out of him in 3rd grade!

Here's some parting words for rdgrnr the gutless coward:

Give me a few days with ya and I guarantee you'd act civilized, boy.  You'd act like a human being or be running back to your cave spitting out your teeth along the way.

Meet me by the big oak tree out behind my house - 30 paces. We can settle this
failure to communicate on your part!

I'm sure you meet a lotta guys out behind your house or at The Swordfighter Lounge, princess, but I ain't gonna be one of 'em.

Talk to Nancy or the joke.

That's their bailiwick, not mine.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

truecritic

He keeps making stuff up...where does rdgrnr get this crap?  We all  know everyone responding at the moment is an American citizen - so why does rdgrnr keep lying and making up crap like this?

"I remember when one of your leaders (ayatollah khomeini)"

 _____________________________________________________

Q. What country was led by the ayatollah khomeini?

Q. What country was joker17 born in??

That's what rdgrnr was referring to.

Granted joker is a U.S. citizen now but he himself posted about being born in Iran. So nice attempted twist on the facts, and jumping to conclusions on your part, and accussing others of lying and making stuff up.

May a camel pee on your winning ticket and invalidate it, too.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 18, 2011

truecritic

He keeps making stuff up...where does rdgrnr get this crap?  We all  know everyone responding at the moment is an American citizen - so why does rdgrnr keep lying and making up crap like this?

"I remember when one of your leaders (ayatollah khomeini)"

 _____________________________________________________

Q. What country was led by the ayatollah khomeini?

Q. What country was joker17 born in??

That's what rdgrnr was referring to.

Granted joker is a U.S. citizen now but he himself posted about being born in Iran. So nice attempted twist on the facts, and jumping to conclusions on your part, and accussing others of lying and making stuff up.

May a camel pee on your winning ticket and invalidate it, too.

Thanks Coin but the princess knows that, he's just another whiner like the joke who can't help lying. It's in their genes.

Joker came here to play the system to his benefit with public aid and food stamps and all that while badmouthing us all the way.

He hates America and he hates Americans and I hope somebody is paying attention to him moving back to the area of that nuclear reactor he used to live by in the  west Arizona desert outside of Phoenix. You don't move across the country to be a cab driver. And he refused to say if him and his "roommates" took flying lessons. I wonder why.

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him (Which would probably be about 20 feet as tiny as he is, although he is fat).

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 18, 2011

You can't even figure out a simple QP argument. Get past frist grade and then come back here. Crazy

The frist grade? What's that?

Is that where you learn to spell?

Todd's avatarTodd

OK, I suppose I'll lock the thread. I was kind of hoping it would fade on its own, but no such luck. Seems religion is one thing that will keep some people from ever letting people of dissenting views get the last word.

As a Christian myself, I will say that it is disgusting to see not just anti-religion, but specifically anti-Christian, views so easily and openly spit out. It makes me wonder, would these same people find it so easy to denigrate the Muslim faith also? Or are Muslims off-limits because it is only OK in American society to mock and deride Christians?

Like it or not, the Christian faith was the guiding hand for most of those who formed this great country, and the more it is removed from society, and the more it is openly mocked, the worse society becomes.

Thank God there are still cases like the subject of the original news story in this thread, where people are still able to see the light, and realize that religious faith is not something to be mocked, but something to be relished.

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