Britain's record lottery winners go public

Jul 15, 2011, 8:40 pm (109 comments)

Euro Millions

Includes video report

A Scottish couple out of work due to ill health are Europe's biggest ever lottery winners, scooping £161.5 million (€184 million, or US$260.5 million) in the EuroMillions multi-country lottery game.

Colin Weir, 64, and his wife Chris, 55, who have been married for 30 years and live in the seaside town of Largs near Glasgow, claimed the prize after Tuesday's draw which followed a series of rollovers.

The prize catapaulted them into 430th place in this year's Sunday Times Rich List for Britain.

"We were tickled pink," Chris Weir, a former psychiatric nurse, said as the couple faced the press for the first time after waiving their right to anonymity.

"I even had a glass of white wine, which is something I normally only do at Christmas. It really is unbelievable."

Colin Weir, a former TV cameraman and studio manager, appeared slightly dazed by the attention.

"When we first realized we had won, it felt like a dream. But it feels like a good thing; something we should not be afraid of but for us to enjoy with the children," he said.

The Weirs said they will buy homes for their daughter Carly, 24, a photography student, and their son Jamie, 22, who works in a call center. Their children will also take their first driving lessons, they said.

They said they wanted to see the Great Wall of China and Uluru, as well as art galleries in Paris and Russia, while Colin, a fan of Spanish football, hopes to see Barcelona play from a personal box at the Camp Nou stadium.

The Weirs said they have both had several serious health conditions in recent years and have been unable to work.

Colin Weir suffered a leg injury and rheumatoid arthritis while Chris Weir worked in nursing for 37 years before quitting three years ago due to poor health.

The couple said they would have preferred not to go public but did not think they could keep their win secret, although they said they hoped their new-found wealth would not change them.  They also said they would not be able to enjoy the win as fully by keeping it a secret.

"We are not flashy people," she said. Her husband added, "With wealth comes great responsibility."

The previous British record jackpot holder, who won €129 million (US$182.6 million) in October last year, chose to remain anonymous.

The EuroMillions lottery, launched in 2004, is now played in eleven countries across western Europe: Austria, Belgium, France, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

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Herald Sun, Channel 4 News, Lottery Post Staff

Comments

rukiafae's avatarrukiafae

Happy for the couple, hope they are able to manage that kind of wealth and have it last for a long LONG time! :)

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I hope the decisions they make from now on are better than the one deciding to go public and giving out their kids names and all that.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

I Agree!  Ridge, it's one thing if the winner goes public even though the last winner remained anonymous but now you put your children at risk.

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dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Oh well ................................. I guess it takes all kinds .......................................

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redhot7's avatarredhot7

They now have the money to afford any sort of medical care to cure their poor health.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 15, 2011

They now have the money to afford any sort of medical care to cure their poor health.

I agree, in the UK with its government-run healthcare system, their care was probably not all that great.  They make people wait for months just for basic treatments, and the government can decide not to give treatment if they decide it's too expensive.

eddessaknight's avatareddessaknight

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 15, 2011

I agree, in the UK with its government-run healthcare system, their care was probably not all that great.  They make people wait for months just for basic treatments, and the government can decide not to give treatment if they decide it's too expensive.

Righto Todd,

Well then. now the Lucky Scoties can afford to follow others from the UK to the USA and get necessary medical treatments on time.

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fwlawrence's avatarfwlawrence

The children are 22 and 24 and taking their first driving lessons?

myturn's avatarmyturn

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 15, 2011

They now have the money to afford any sort of medical care to cure their poor health.

Perhaps they should shell out and join Jenny Craig?

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

hey i guess they figure may as well go public, wouldnt be long till some scummy newspaper bought their identity off of  a public sevant  anyhow.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 15, 2011

I agree, in the UK with its government-run healthcare system, their care was probably not all that great.  They make people wait for months just for basic treatments, and the government can decide not to give treatment if they decide it's too expensive.

Coming soon to America..Government run healthcare, we are doomed.

 

Congrats to the winners, enjoy.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Roll Eyes fast forward three and a half years later.........broke & wishing they had kept thar mouths shut No Pity!

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 15, 2011

I agree, in the UK with its government-run healthcare system, their care was probably not all that great.  They make people wait for months just for basic treatments, and the government can decide not to give treatment if they decide it's too expensive.

Well, if you are too poor in America, you don't get any medical treatment at all. No money, no treatment. America has the best health care in the world BUT only if you can afford it.

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by hearsetrax on Jul 16, 2011

Roll Eyes fast forward three and a half years later.........broke & wishing they had kept thar mouths shut No Pity!

I guarantee you that within a week, people will line up in front of their house begging for money, their phone will ring off the hook, their email will exceed its storage capacity and their relatives from whom they never heard of will come out of the woods.

Piaceri

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Well, if you are too poor in America, you don't get any medical treatment at all. No money, no treatment. America has the best health care in the world BUT only if you can afford it.

Not true. I have a sister who works for a major Dallas healthcare system (i.e. multiple hospitals). Ever heard of Medicade? Those that can't pay, don't. Those that just don't pay, don't. The problem is not having health insurance, the problem is how they are forced to bill it.  Health insurance payment agreements are based upon what the non-insured get charged, and the non-insured rates are based upon the hospital covering those who don't pay. It's a vicious cycle and the healthcare industry is not getting 'fixed' with Obamacare. Not everything will get covered by Obamacare. In fact, probably less will be covered than private insurance (at least what private insurance survives beyond what Congress decided they themselves get to keep and you don't). Medicare pays for the diagnosis, not the care. Medicare patient comes in with a broken arm, and the doctor/hospital gets paid the same whether the patient gets a quick set or one, two, or three surgeries to repair.

Anyway, congrats to the couple. At least they recognize the great responsibility that goes with the win. Let's hope they get great advice and stick to it, and that they are success story for the future Lottery Winning stories. Wink

B$Rizzle's avatarB$Rizzle

Why in the he!! did they just put themselves & their children at risk??? I dont get why they chose to reveal themselves

 

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by fwlawrence on Jul 16, 2011

The children are 22 and 24 and taking their first driving lessons?

Outside of the USA, kids do not have the sense of entitlement they do here -- not everyone "expects" to have a driver's license when they're 17, and many families can't afford cars (or more than one).

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by B$Rizzle on Jul 16, 2011

Why in the he!! did they just put themselves & their children at risk??? I dont get why they chose to reveal themselves

 

She said it would be more enjoyable if they went public.  We'll have to revisit that statement in a few months.

dk1421's avatardk1421

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 16, 2011

She said it would be more enjoyable if they went public.  We'll have to revisit that statement in a few months.

I thought that line was intriguing.

First off, they've been living AT their means, unlike many, which says a LOT about them as people. Secondly, I guess they will be buying some new stuff and probably worried about what others would think of them suddenly buying a new car, fixing the house, going on trips.

Perhaps they realized that it would be "known" soon anyway, so they might as well do it on their own terms.

However, I agree about their kids - especially giving out their names! Again, maybe thinking it would get out there anyway. BUT.. there's rumor and then there's fact. Now it's a fact.

I just wished they had talked to a lawyer first. He probably would have told them to go anonymous. Or maybe they did and didn't follow his advice.

My problem is that I'm a horrible liar. WHEN I win the lottery, my reason for sudden wealth will have to be something that I can easily lie about. It's too bad they didn't go in that direction, but c'est le vie.

I guess they thought it would be "easier" but I think they'll realize in a year, that it's not.

I'm truly wishing them the best, but I have a bad feeling... leaning more towards the kids.

Hey Todd - can you interview them again in a year? See how they are doing?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Well, if you are too poor in America, you don't get any medical treatment at all. No money, no treatment. America has the best health care in the world BUT only if you can afford it.

That's nonsense, nobody goes without medical care in this country.

The worst medical care you'll ever get will be under Obamacare because it will be rationed by government bureaucrats (libs) who will decide if you are worthy of the cost of treating you. Like Obama said, if you're old and need an expensive operation to live, just take pain pills instead and get out of the way.

Obama himself will still get the best though.

He wrote the law to make sure Obamacare applies to us but doesn't apply to him and his buddies in government, they get gold-plated medical care for life.

Pretty good deal, eh?

Boney526's avatarBoney526

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 16, 2011

That's nonsense, nobody goes without medical care in this country.

The worst medical care you'll ever get will be under Obamacare because it will be rationed by government bureaucrats (libs) who will decide if you are worthy of the cost of treating you. Like Obama said, if you're old and need an expensive operation to live, just take pain pills instead and get out of the way.

Obama himself will still get the best though.

He wrote the law to make sure Obamacare applies to us but doesn't apply to him and his buddies in government, they get gold-plated medical care for life.

Pretty good deal, eh?

I just love it when Libs claim you don't get Healthcare unless your wealthy in the USA.  The whole reason the system is "broken" is because we give Healhcare to anyone who walks in the door and worry about the costs later.  It's the ethically right thing to do, but people always claim ludicrous things about the system that are just plain wrong.

 

In America, everybody gets care, regardless of income status.  It's the after cost that can screw up people's lives, but that's ineveitable for someone who doesn't pay for insurance.  I don't get the sense of entitlement that insurance should be free, that health care should be free.  Maybe it's just me, but I think you should have to pay for your insurance and they shouldn't regulate it anymore than I think they should regulate the, say, auto insurance industry.

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by fwlawrence on Jul 16, 2011

The children are 22 and 24 and taking their first driving lessons?

Europe has a much better public transportation than the United States. They have bullet trains, like France TGV, while here in America we don't have bullet trains. You can survive pretty well in Europe without having a car. Not so with the United States with a few exceptions like NYC.

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by Piaceri on Jul 16, 2011

Not true. I have a sister who works for a major Dallas healthcare system (i.e. multiple hospitals). Ever heard of Medicade? Those that can't pay, don't. Those that just don't pay, don't. The problem is not having health insurance, the problem is how they are forced to bill it.  Health insurance payment agreements are based upon what the non-insured get charged, and the non-insured rates are based upon the hospital covering those who don't pay. It's a vicious cycle and the healthcare industry is not getting 'fixed' with Obamacare. Not everything will get covered by Obamacare. In fact, probably less will be covered than private insurance (at least what private insurance survives beyond what Congress decided they themselves get to keep and you don't). Medicare pays for the diagnosis, not the care. Medicare patient comes in with a broken arm, and the doctor/hospital gets paid the same whether the patient gets a quick set or one, two, or three surgeries to repair.

Anyway, congrats to the couple. At least they recognize the great responsibility that goes with the win. Let's hope they get great advice and stick to it, and that they are success story for the future Lottery Winning stories. Wink

Not every poor people are eligible for Medicaid. If you make just a little bit over the poverty line, you are not eligible for Medicaid. You would be too rich to be covered by Medicaid but too poor to afford health care on your own. Watch PBS Frontline Sick around America online for an example.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Europe has a much better public transportation than the United States. They have bullet trains, like France TGV, while here in America we don't have bullet trains. You can survive pretty well in Europe without having a car. Not so with the United States with a few exceptions like NYC.

yea,and i think their gas cost even more than ours.

ttech10's avatarttech10

Quote: Originally posted by dk1421 on Jul 16, 2011

I thought that line was intriguing.

First off, they've been living AT their means, unlike many, which says a LOT about them as people. Secondly, I guess they will be buying some new stuff and probably worried about what others would think of them suddenly buying a new car, fixing the house, going on trips.

Perhaps they realized that it would be "known" soon anyway, so they might as well do it on their own terms.

However, I agree about their kids - especially giving out their names! Again, maybe thinking it would get out there anyway. BUT.. there's rumor and then there's fact. Now it's a fact.

I just wished they had talked to a lawyer first. He probably would have told them to go anonymous. Or maybe they did and didn't follow his advice.

My problem is that I'm a horrible liar. WHEN I win the lottery, my reason for sudden wealth will have to be something that I can easily lie about. It's too bad they didn't go in that direction, but c'est le vie.

I guess they thought it would be "easier" but I think they'll realize in a year, that it's not.

I'm truly wishing them the best, but I have a bad feeling... leaning more towards the kids.

Hey Todd - can you interview them again in a year? See how they are doing?

Yea I imagine they figured it would be hard to hide the fact they won and that just wouldn't make it fun, either trying to always hide the win or having to not buy new expensive "toys".

BUT, if that was the case, why not just simply go ahead and buy new stuff and let it slip locally that they're the winners? You can go ahead and enjoy your win without announcing it to the whole world. Instead they've informed millions more about their win that otherwise wouldn't have gone through the trouble of searching the winners' city's paper constantly to see if the winners have popped up.

If I win my plan is to claim through a trust so that my name isn't out there. I'm not too entirely worried about it being known locally that I'm the winner, which will likely happen when I purchase a new car and possibly house, but I'm okay with that since my name will be at least unknown to the masses, which is the biggest problem. I won't be making any [noticeable] large purchases for a few months anyways, so I'd at least have time after I've claimed to get some things in order before I make it obvious to neighbors and friends that I've hit it big.

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Well, if you are too poor in America, you don't get any medical treatment at all. No money, no treatment. America has the best health care in the world BUT only if you can afford it.

That is not entirely true.  Sure there have been cases in which people have been pushed to the side at emergency rooms and died as a result of negligence...but those responsible for such negligence have been and are being persecuted for said negligence.  Additionally, one can go to most any urgent care clinic and set up a payment plan if they cannot pay the bill all at once and don't have health insurance (I know because I have done that years ago).  The problem is that many people think that "someone" else should pay the bulk of their health care expenses (i.e. employer, government, taxpayer, etc) and so many people choose to buy toys like Harley Davidson bikes, boats, jet skis, etc instead of doing the responsible thing and paying for their healthcare expenses.  And some areas do have clinics that cater to the poor, but just like in Canada and Europe where the wait to receive treatment can be unbearable, those recipients of such care just have to be patient (no pun intended)!

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

Given their health problems, I would hope the first people they meet with are trusted lawyers, accountants, and financial advisors.  They will definitely need some trusts and such drawn up, otherwise unless they get the best healthcare money can buy and lose some of that excess weight they are carrying around, they may not be around too long to enjoy all those millions they just won.  After the financials are in place, the next people they should meet with are doctors and specialists and medically certified physical trainers.  Or they could just roll the dice and live as long as their current health will allow them to live.  Best of luck with that.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Not every poor people are eligible for Medicaid. If you make just a little bit over the poverty line, you are not eligible for Medicaid. You would be too rich to be covered by Medicaid but too poor to afford health care on your own. Watch PBS Frontline Sick around America online for an example.

The Socialists pushing their agenda, plain and simple , if you can't afford insurance then work out a payment plan with you Doctor, Hey ,theres a new idea, be responsible for yourself.

Maybe the freeloaders won't breed out of control if they have to foot the bill, because I am good and tired of taking care of others, I work hard for my money, I would like to keep more of it.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 17, 2011

The Socialists pushing their agenda, plain and simple , if you can't afford insurance then work out a payment plan with you Doctor, Hey ,theres a new idea, be responsible for yourself.

Maybe the freeloaders won't breed out of control if they have to foot the bill, because I am good and tired of taking care of others, I work hard for my money, I would like to keep more of it.

Now...Now..Now Sully there you go making sense again.... "Maybe the freeloaders won't breed out of control if they have to foot the bill" Oh no..... they will just go and file bankruptcy because that's the easy thing to do. Making payment arrangments on something you owe that sounds to much like RIGHT.... Sully if you keep making sense I am going to have you admitted....ROFL

 

I work for a financial instution, and the the thing that bothers me the most is when consumers rackup a lot of debt and rush to file bankruptcy. They don't even call us to work out an arrangment/payment plan.

Trillionaire

They made a BIG mistake to go public. I would have absolutely no problem saying that I made a killing on the stock market. Most people just talk too much.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Europe has a much better public transportation than the United States. They have bullet trains, like France TGV, while here in America we don't have bullet trains. You can survive pretty well in Europe without having a car. Not so with the United States with a few exceptions like NYC.

Do you want to force people to take the train?

Studies have shown that nobody wants them here outside of you and the Obamacrats. (Yes, I just coined that term, it means far left, lunatic fringe, nutjob libs). Passenger trains can't exist in this country without tax dollars to keep them running because very few people will ride them. That means that me and everybody else will have to pay for your train ride. Well, screw that.

Europe has found out the hard way that socialism is a colossal failure and is taking steps to correct their mistakes.

Do you want us to go down that same road to failure just to prove it doesn't work again?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 16, 2011

Not every poor people are eligible for Medicaid. If you make just a little bit over the poverty line, you are not eligible for Medicaid. You would be too rich to be covered by Medicaid but too poor to afford health care on your own. Watch PBS Frontline Sick around America online for an example.

PBS is an arm of the democrat party pushing their agenda, redhot.

And our tax money pays to keep them on the air because they wouldn't be on the air without it.

Try to find a source without an agenda.

You're not getting the truth from PBS, you're getting what the libs want you to believe.

Trillionaire

No politician, Republican or Democrat, tells the truth because "the people" can't handle it. Knowing the truth comes from thinking for yourself and ignoring anything and everything a politician says. This is true for any country in the world.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 17, 2011

No politician, Republican or Democrat, tells the truth because "the people" can't handle it. Knowing the truth comes from thinking for yourself and ignoring anything and everything a politician says. This is true for any country in the world.

Yes, there are liars on both sides but anybody who studies politics knows that the dems (libs) take lying to another plane, they make it an art form. It's part of their genetic makeup. They lie so much they think whatever they say becomes the truth somehow. They can't stop lying even if they want to. It's their nature.

Them's the cold hard facts.

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 17, 2011

The Socialists pushing their agenda, plain and simple , if you can't afford insurance then work out a payment plan with you Doctor, Hey ,theres a new idea, be responsible for yourself.

Maybe the freeloaders won't breed out of control if they have to foot the bill, because I am good and tired of taking care of others, I work hard for my money, I would like to keep more of it.

People fall into unfortunate circumstances to no fault of their own. They get laid off, they lost their coverage and then they get run over by a car or get cancer from genetic predisposition. No payment plan in the world would be able to cover the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars of medical expense without insurance. I feel sorry for those people. It is unfortunate that people are being labeled Communist or Socialist for being compassionate.

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

PBS is an arm of the democrat party pushing their agenda, redhot.

And our tax money pays to keep them on the air because they wouldn't be on the air without it.

Try to find a source without an agenda.

You're not getting the truth from PBS, you're getting what the libs want you to believe.

Yeah, I am sure FoxNews is a source without an agenda. Fair & Balanced, We Report, You Decide.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 17, 2011

Yeah, I am sure FoxNews is a source without an agenda. Fair & Balanced, We Report, You Decide.

At least you'll get straight news from FOX and you can make up your own mind unlike everybody else that tells you only the news that benefits their agenda or is twisted to benefit their agenda.

Don't confuse news with commentary.

That's what the other guys try to get you to do.

And apparently you fell for it.

Trillionaire

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

Yes, there are liars on both sides but anybody who studies politics knows that the dems (libs) take lying to another plane, they make it an art form. It's part of their genetic makeup. They lie so much they think whatever they say becomes the truth somehow. They can't stop lying even if they want to. It's their nature.

Them's the cold hard facts.

As I recall it was Republican lies about WMD which took America into Iraq. How much has this cost the American taxpayer, so far? Now add to that the lives lost, and then add the lives destroyed, both American and Iraqis. The Republicans aren't as saintly as you seem to think, rdgnr, nor are the democrats as dastardly.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 17, 2011

People fall into unfortunate circumstances to no fault of their own. They get laid off, they lost their coverage and then they get run over by a car or get cancer from genetic predisposition. No payment plan in the world would be able to cover the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars of medical expense without insurance. I feel sorry for those people. It is unfortunate that people are being labeled Communist or Socialist for being compassionate.

"It is unfortunate that people are being labeled Communist or Socialist for being compassionate."

 

Compassionate? What a joke. Libs are only compassionate if they have someone else's money to give away. Studies show that libs give less to charitable causes than any other group. Even the super-rich libs are tightwads with their own money.

But they love to confiscate and give away other people's money.

larry3100's avatarlarry3100

I nominate Ridge Runner for President !. Cheers

redhot7's avatarredhot7

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

At least you'll get straight news from FOX and you can make up your own mind unlike everybody else that tells you only the news that benefits their agenda or is twisted to benefit their agenda.

Don't confuse news with commentary.

That's what the other guys try to get you to do.

And apparently you fell for it.

Since when Fox gives straight news? They bend it to their liking. Sure, their competitors do the same thing but at least they never claim to be fair and balanced. Calling the President of the United States as a Communist is very insulting.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 17, 2011

They made a BIG mistake to go public. I would have absolutely no problem saying that I made a killing on the stock market. Most people just talk too much.

the stock market excuse might work, easy enough to go back and look up things that were unbeliveably cheap not so long ago,but you will need to find some obscure things,no microsofts or googles otherwise people will be nagging you for advice your not qualified to give.and if you steer them wrong,look out.maybe better to say its a settlement from a lawsuite, and as part of the settlement i am not permitted to talk about it.

Trillionaire

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 17, 2011

the stock market excuse might work, easy enough to go back and look up things that were unbeliveably cheap not so long ago,but you will need to find some obscure things,no microsofts or googles otherwise people will be nagging you for advice your not qualified to give.and if you steer them wrong,look out.maybe better to say its a settlement from a lawsuite, and as part of the settlement i am not permitted to talk about it.

Thanks Haymaker. The lawsuite angle is a great idea - a lawsuite settlement I can't talk about. That's going to be my story when I win the jackpot.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 17, 2011

Thanks Haymaker. The lawsuite angle is a great idea - a lawsuite settlement I can't talk about. That's going to be my story when I win the jackpot.

additional benefit. people tend to avoid ppl. who sue,so ppl. won't bother you. when i lived in so. cali where lots of ppl. have vanity lic. plates i remember being behind a car his lic."will sue" i'm like whoa don't stay in back of this guy.course i could be wrong, maybe just a a guy named william w/ a wife named susan. ya think ? naah. it was a bmw the big one.Wink

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 17, 2011

As I recall it was Republican lies about WMD which took America into Iraq. How much has this cost the American taxpayer, so far? Now add to that the lives lost, and then add the lives destroyed, both American and Iraqis. The Republicans aren't as saintly as you seem to think, rdgnr, nor are the democrats as dastardly.

You don't live here. What you think means absolutely nothing and has absolutely no effect on anything. Your country isn't even a player on the world stage. And you don't seem to know what you're talking about anyway.

So just sit back and relax knowing we protect you at no charge. Have some hot chips and put a spit shine on your hockey puck or something.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 17, 2011

Since when Fox gives straight news? They bend it to their liking. Sure, their competitors do the same thing but at least they never claim to be fair and balanced. Calling the President of the United States as a Communist is very insulting.

I can see you're a lib because you don't absorb anything I explain to you because it's not slanted and twisted enough in a way that makes it palatable to you.

I warned you against confusing news with commentary but it went right over your head as expected.

 

"Calling the President of the United States as a Communist is very insulting."

 

This shows me the extent to which you are a political neophyte. The communists and socialists joined ranks with the democrats a few years back. Your hero has surrounded himself with avowed, out-of-the-closet communists and socialists and it is well documented. Many of the czars he has appointed are radical communists. This ain't your father's democrat party anymore. 

You need to do a little catching up, sonny boy.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by larry3100 on Jul 17, 2011

I nominate Ridge Runner for President !. Cheers

Thank you larry! I accept the nomination!

Now we need to start some fundraising road trips! Cheers

And I'll be needing a few secretaries!  Naughty

kyokushin187's avatarkyokushin187

C'Mon.were in 2011 not 1711.If mccain was elected or Mrs. Clinton and this Economy was still the same as now would u give the same hatred you show to Obama?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by dallascowboyfan on Jul 17, 2011

Now...Now..Now Sully there you go making sense again.... "Maybe the freeloaders won't breed out of control if they have to foot the bill" Oh no..... they will just go and file bankruptcy because that's the easy thing to do. Making payment arrangments on something you owe that sounds to much like RIGHT.... Sully if you keep making sense I am going to have you admitted....ROFL

 

I work for a financial instution, and the the thing that bothers me the most is when consumers rackup a lot of debt and rush to file bankruptcy. They don't even call us to work out an arrangment/payment plan.

People get in over their heads are overwhelmed and make all the wrong decisions,

One of the biggest problems we face, most people cannot handle finances at all, it's not being taught in primary schools as it should be anymore, when I hear of people refinancing their home to pay credit cards I just want to scream, most people have no idea the difference between secured and unsecured debt.

Yes, creditors will work with you,

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by redhot7 on Jul 17, 2011

People fall into unfortunate circumstances to no fault of their own. They get laid off, they lost their coverage and then they get run over by a car or get cancer from genetic predisposition. No payment plan in the world would be able to cover the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars of medical expense without insurance. I feel sorry for those people. It is unfortunate that people are being labeled Communist or Socialist for being compassionate.

Don't hand me that compassion Bullsh*T, I DON'T NEED ANYONE TO TELL ME HOW TO FEEL.

Bad things happen to all of us , all the time, that does NOT make it okay to demand sympathy or financial support from strangers, especially in the form of taxation.

Redistribution of wealth, taking from the haves to give to the have nots is SOCIALISM.

If you feel so sorry for everyone than why don't you take care of them, I am sick of having my and my husbands paychecks hacked to pieces because of all this feeling sorry for everyone.

I see the takers everyday, I see what liars they are, their greed equals the very people they complain about.

I am sick of hearing people say "BECAUSE I AM POOR I DESERVE SOMETHING"

If you want something then f***ing earn it.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by kyokushin187 on Jul 18, 2011

C'Mon.were in 2011 not 1711.If mccain was elected or Mrs. Clinton and this Economy was still the same as now would u give the same hatred you show to Obama?

I have no hatred for Obama or anybody else.

I'd just like to have competent leadership in this country. He is no leader. He voted "present" all the way through the state senate in Illinois because he wasn't capable of making a decision. He was a good community organizer but he is in way over his head now. He simply doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

But everything he is doing is wrong.

And the very survival of our country is at stake.

Trillionaire

"You don't live here." That's right Ridge and praise the Lord for that.

Trillionaire

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 17, 2011

additional benefit. people tend to avoid ppl. who sue,so ppl. won't bother you. when i lived in so. cali where lots of ppl. have vanity lic. plates i remember being behind a car his lic."will sue" i'm like whoa don't stay in back of this guy.course i could be wrong, maybe just a a guy named william w/ a wife named susan. ya think ? naah. it was a bmw the big one.Wink

Makes perfect sense Haymaker. And I don't think that "will sue" are the names of a guy and his wife.Smile

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

"You don't live here." That's right Ridge and praise the Lord for that.

Yeah, thank God for that. We have enough welfare cases who expect everything to be provided for them..

Trillionaire

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 18, 2011

Yeah, thank God for that. We have enough welfare cases who expect everything to be provided for them..

Ah yes, Ridge. Resort to insults when you can't think of something intelligent to say. Typical.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

Ah yes, Ridge. Resort to insults when you can't think of something intelligent to say. Typical.

I didn't "resort," you did.

I reciprocated.

And you know it.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

Ah yes, Ridge. Resort to insults when you can't think of something intelligent to say. Typical.

You sound pretty familiar with Ridge, Is that you Mario.? 9 posts and you know us so well....hmmmmm

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

Ah yes, Ridge. Resort to insults when you can't think of something intelligent to say. Typical.

I agree with rdgrnr — you post a nasty message about the USA, and you would expect that nobody would respond in kind?  I found your slam on the USA to be insulting as well.  Many of the freedoms and prosperity you enjoy in Canada today are a direct result of the United States.

When looking at health care, it is easy to see that Canadians often cross the border into the USA when important life-saving procedures are necessary.  Health care is one thing Canada did NOT adopt from the USA, and unfortunately the far-leftists in the USA thought it would be a good idea to model our health care after Canada's.  Hopefully that will be reversed soon.

Trillionaire

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 17, 2011

You don't live here. What you think means absolutely nothing and has absolutely no effect on anything. Your country isn't even a player on the world stage. And you don't seem to know what you're talking about anyway.

So just sit back and relax knowing we protect you at no charge. Have some hot chips and put a spit shine on your hockey puck or something.

The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it. Republican lies took America into Iraq. Where are the WMD? You attack President Obama for your country's problems. He did not create the problems and is doing his best to sove them. Here is another truth for you: America is bankrupt and will never be able to repay its debts.

We Canadians don't need to go off and attack anyone to prove how tough or smart we are. You are a warlike nation and have squandered your wealth on weapons and war.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it. Republican lies took America into Iraq. Where are the WMD? You attack President Obama for your country's problems. He did not create the problems and is doing his best to sove them. Here is another truth for you: America is bankrupt and will never be able to repay its debts.

We Canadians don't need to go off and attack anyone to prove how tough or smart we are. You are a warlike nation and have squandered your wealth on weapons and war.

Do you get all your information from the left-wing media?  Seems to be the case.

There were no "Republican lies" that took us into Iraq, as much as the media would like you to believe (and which you have bought into -- hook, line, and sinker).

Bill Clinton was very firm about WMDs being in Iraq, and based policy on it.

Before we went to war in Iraq, the US Congress -- with a huge Democrat majority -- overwhelmingly approved it.  They did so based upon their own assessment of the information, not based on "Republican lies".

Note that this is very UNLIKE the current Libya debacle, in which Obama took us to war WITHOUT consent of Congress, and lied about troops on the ground.  Now he's claiming it's not even a war. 

Of course, you won't see these kinds of assessments on your favorite brand of mainstream TV show, because UNLIKE FOX, they only show the liberal point of view.  On FOX, you get both views, and you can make up your own damn mind.

Edit: I guess you don't realize that Canadian troops helped in Iraq (both times), Afghanistan, and Libya.  Did I burst your bubble?

diamondpalace's avatardiamondpalace

Congrats to the couples!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 18, 2011

Do you get all your information from the left-wing media?  Seems to be the case.

There were no "Republican lies" that took us into Iraq, as much as the media would like you to believe (and which you have bought into -- hook, line, and sinker).

Bill Clinton was very firm about WMDs being in Iraq, and based policy on it.

Before we went to war in Iraq, the US Congress -- with a huge Democrat majority -- overwhelmingly approved it.  They did so based upon their own assessment of the information, not based on "Republican lies".

Note that this is very UNLIKE the current Libya debacle, in which Obama took us to war WITHOUT consent of Congress, and lied about troops on the ground.  Now he's claiming it's not even a war. 

Of course, you won't see these kinds of assessments on your favorite brand of mainstream TV show, because UNLIKE FOX, they only show the liberal point of view.  On FOX, you get both views, and you can make up your own damn mind.

Edit: I guess you don't realize that Canadian troops helped in Iraq (both times), Afghanistan, and Libya.  Did I burst your bubble?

I couldn't have said it any better than that. Thumbs Up

Jordans121's avatarJordans121

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 18, 2011

Do you get all your information from the left-wing media?  Seems to be the case.

There were no "Republican lies" that took us into Iraq, as much as the media would like you to believe (and which you have bought into -- hook, line, and sinker).

Bill Clinton was very firm about WMDs being in Iraq, and based policy on it.

Before we went to war in Iraq, the US Congress -- with a huge Democrat majority -- overwhelmingly approved it.  They did so based upon their own assessment of the information, not based on "Republican lies".

Note that this is very UNLIKE the current Libya debacle, in which Obama took us to war WITHOUT consent of Congress, and lied about troops on the ground.  Now he's claiming it's not even a war. 

Of course, you won't see these kinds of assessments on your favorite brand of mainstream TV show, because UNLIKE FOX, they only show the liberal point of view.  On FOX, you get both views, and you can make up your own damn mind.

Edit: I guess you don't realize that Canadian troops helped in Iraq (both times), Afghanistan, and Libya.  Did I burst your bubble?

replublican/democrat--liberal/conservative. Most are crooks, lining their pockets, working for special interest to get re-elected. Understand that we have to pay for our freedom through high taxes, oil and unlimited corruption by both parties. America is still the greatest country in the world and I would rather be no where else. Sorry Canada...(although I would like to be in canada 2day b/c it is hot)LOL

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it. Republican lies took America into Iraq. Where are the WMD? You attack President Obama for your country's problems. He did not create the problems and is doing his best to sove them. Here is another truth for you: America is bankrupt and will never be able to repay its debts.

We Canadians don't need to go off and attack anyone to prove how tough or smart we are. You are a warlike nation and have squandered your wealth on weapons and war.

You might want to be a little thankful for our military, because of us no one screws with you.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jul 18, 2011

replublican/democrat--liberal/conservative. Most are crooks, lining their pockets, working for special interest to get re-elected. Understand that we have to pay for our freedom through high taxes, oil and unlimited corruption by both parties. America is still the greatest country in the world and I would rather be no where else. Sorry Canada...(although I would like to be in canada 2day b/c it is hot)LOL

I think in terms of liberal and conservative, because you're right, political parties are self-serving and often betray their so-called values.

So the first part you said -- "republican/democrat" -- is right.  But the next part -- "liberal/conservative" -- is not (IMHO).  Liberal or conservative does not make someone a crook, it holds them to certain values and ideals.

If you believe more and bigger central government is the answer to most problems, you're a liberal.

If you believe smaller and less central government is the answer to most problems, you're a conservative.

Why is that?  Because conservatives believe in the Constitution, as it was written.  Conservatives believe the Constitution created the ideal social and political system (not perfect, but ideal for human beings).  Liberals, on the other hand, view the Constitutiuon as an impediment to their ideal social and politicial system, so they constantly struggle to find new ways to poke holes in it.

The Constitution itself is a document that LIMITS the powers of a central (federal) government, placing the power in the STATES -- i.e., closest to the PEOPLE.  (A Federalist system.)  So hopefully you can see why conservatives view a smaller and more limited central (federal) government as a good thing -- it is closest to the original intent of the Constitution.

There are free copies of the Constitution available for anyone to read on the Internet, just do a Google search.  It's a relatively short document, and a quick read.  Everyone should read it at least once, because it will really open your eyes.

freeobama's avatarfreeobama

They look like a nice couple,hope they have fun and enjoy it! My day will comeBanana

freeobama's avatarfreeobama

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 17, 2011

The Socialists pushing their agenda, plain and simple , if you can't afford insurance then work out a payment plan with you Doctor, Hey ,theres a new idea, be responsible for yourself.

Maybe the freeloaders won't breed out of control if they have to foot the bill, because I am good and tired of taking care of others, I work hard for my money, I would like to keep more of it.

WOW i am Offended by your Statement?Sounds kind of racist to me. Me myself served in two combat wars for this country, i did not serve just for the rich but for all! This is the USA not some third world country,I beleive in justice for all besides that this is a lottery form play at your own risk!Dance

Jordans121's avatarJordans121

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 18, 2011

I think in terms of liberal and conservative, because you're right, political parties are self-serving and often betray their so-called values.

So the first part you said -- "republican/democrat" -- is right.  But the next part -- "liberal/conservative" -- is not (IMHO).  Liberal or conservative does not make someone a crook, it holds them to certain values and ideals.

If you believe more and bigger central government is the answer to most problems, you're a liberal.

If you believe smaller and less central government is the answer to most problems, you're a conservative.

Why is that?  Because conservatives believe in the Constitution, as it was written.  Conservatives believe the Constitution created the ideal social and political system (not perfect, but ideal for human beings).  Liberals, on the other hand, view the Constitutiuon as an impediment to their ideal social and politicial system, so they constantly struggle to find new ways to poke holes in it.

The Constitution itself is a document that LIMITS the powers of a central (federal) government, placing the power in the STATES -- i.e., closest to the PEOPLE.  (A Federalist system.)  So hopefully you can see why conservatives view a smaller and more limited central (federal) government as a good thing -- it is closest to the original intent of the Constitution.

There are free copies of the Constitution available for anyone to read on the Internet, just do a Google search.  It's a relatively short document, and a quick read.  Everyone should read it at least once, because it will really open your eyes.

Well done Todd. However, I suggest the constitution was drafted by all conservatives. Perhaps thats why slavery was allowed.Embarassed  There is a fundamental flaw with your opinion. As with the Bible or Koran or Laws, the constitution can and has always been interpreted with a self serving purpose.

 

I think their are vital issues for Federal Government to be involved in. Simply  saying less government is better is misleading. Remember, we are the most powerful nation in the world and responsiblities go with that. I do respect your opinions. I only object to the narrow minded approach.

 

Sure government is a hinderance when it comes to job creation and civil liberties. Bush was a "Conservative" but after 911 he infringed on everyones civil liberties which is a direct swipe at conservative values (patriot act). Obama continues with these same laws.

The reason why you cant simply allow states to govern themselves at all times without any interruption from the fed is because their would be even more widespread corruption. Again we tried that with slavery which led to the civil war( see Jim Demint). What we find is that behind most decisions made by governments is the perpetuation of greed and censorship. How did this happen? Privatization. I can go on and on but thats my opinion.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jul 18, 2011

Well done Todd. However, I suggest the constitution was drafted by all conservatives. Perhaps thats why slavery was allowed.Embarassed  There is a fundamental flaw with your opinion. As with the Bible or Koran or Laws, the constitution can and has always been interpreted with a self serving purpose.

 

I think their are vital issues for Federal Government to be involved in. Simply  saying less government is better is misleading. Remember, we are the most powerful nation in the world and responsiblities go with that. I do respect your opinions. I only object to the narrow minded approach.

 

Sure government is a hinderance when it comes to job creation and civil liberties. Bush was a "Conservative" but after 911 he infringed on everyones civil liberties which is a direct swipe at conservative values (patriot act). Obama continues with these same laws.

The reason why you cant simply allow states to govern themselves at all times without any interruption from the fed is because their would be even more widespread corruption. Again we tried that with slavery which led to the civil war( see Jim Demint). What we find is that behind most decisions made by governments is the perpetuation of greed and censorship. How did this happen? Privatization. I can go on and on but thats my opinion.

Oh my gosh no, the framers were rebels in their day. Slavery was ended by republicans. If Abe Lincoln was not elected it might have taken decades longer. Republicans also passed thru the civil rights laws in the 60s when the democrats were trying to kill the bill. these are historical facts. Time to switch off CNN and learn the truth.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 18, 2011

Oh my gosh no, the framers were rebels in their day. Slavery was ended by republicans. If Abe Lincoln was not elected it might have taken decades longer. Republicans also passed thru the civil rights laws in the 60s when the democrats were trying to kill the bill. these are historical facts. Time to switch off CNN and learn the truth.

 CNN= communist news network. Dupe Alert

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 18, 2011

I have no hatred for Obama or anybody else.

I'd just like to have competent leadership in this country. He is no leader. He voted "present" all the way through the state senate in Illinois because he wasn't capable of making a decision. He was a good community organizer but he is in way over his head now. He simply doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

But everything he is doing is wrong.

And the very survival of our country is at stake.

Great point.. I Agree!

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 18, 2011

Do you get all your information from the left-wing media?  Seems to be the case.

There were no "Republican lies" that took us into Iraq, as much as the media would like you to believe (and which you have bought into -- hook, line, and sinker).

Bill Clinton was very firm about WMDs being in Iraq, and based policy on it.

Before we went to war in Iraq, the US Congress -- with a huge Democrat majority -- overwhelmingly approved it.  They did so based upon their own assessment of the information, not based on "Republican lies".

Note that this is very UNLIKE the current Libya debacle, in which Obama took us to war WITHOUT consent of Congress, and lied about troops on the ground.  Now he's claiming it's not even a war. 

Of course, you won't see these kinds of assessments on your favorite brand of mainstream TV show, because UNLIKE FOX, they only show the liberal point of view.  On FOX, you get both views, and you can make up your own damn mind.

Edit: I guess you don't realize that Canadian troops helped in Iraq (both times), Afghanistan, and Libya.  Did I burst your bubble?

Excellent.. I Agree!

 

And yes indeed:

A Canadian made the longest sniper kill shot on record, during The Afghan War; a dizzying 1.5 miles..

Impressive !!

(2004 maybe, can't remember the year for sure).

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 18, 2011

You might want to be a little thankful for our military, because of us no one screws with you.

YepYep!! Very true.. LOL

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 18, 2011

YepYep!! Very true.. LOL

I Agree! could not agree more, if any enity  threatend can. in any way . we would be all over it like white on rice.

Jordans121's avatarJordans121

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 18, 2011

Oh my gosh no, the framers were rebels in their day. Slavery was ended by republicans. If Abe Lincoln was not elected it might have taken decades longer. Republicans also passed thru the civil rights laws in the 60s when the democrats were trying to kill the bill. these are historical facts. Time to switch off CNN and learn the truth.

I dont watch CNN, in fact I hate it just like I hate Fox news and All mainstream media. Lincoln had to be assassinated for making that decision. Again, there is no difference from either party, most are crooks working for special interest. Obama/bush/clintoln/reagan.....all got elected because they were centrists. If Hardcore republics ran the WH and Cong. these days SS would be privatized which is a horrible thought. If Hardcore democrats ran the WH and Cong. the country be even more horrible. I'm no liberal nor conservative, I will not label nor limit myself to an ideology. There are some things in both parties that are good for the country and some not.

No Nod

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by freeobama on Jul 18, 2011

WOW i am Offended by your Statement?Sounds kind of racist to me. Me myself served in two combat wars for this country, i did not serve just for the rich but for all! This is the USA not some third world country,I beleive in justice for all besides that this is a lottery form play at your own risk!Dance

You can stop the Racist bullsh*t  right now, I am a minority, most of my family through the generations has served this country and yes I am sick of people who won't stand up and take care of themselves.

so be offended all you want, I hope I offend you some more, because I am also done with this cry baby crap about feelings.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 18, 2011

You can stop the Racist bullsh*t  right now, I am a minority, most of my family through the generations has served this country and yes I am sick of people who won't stand up and take care of themselves.

so be offended all you want, I hope I offend you some more, because I am also done with this cry baby crap about feelings.

yes, time for ppl. to stand up,the majority now is the average person,no matter their backround.and many are struggling. i believe we will prevail.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jul 18, 2011

I dont watch CNN, in fact I hate it just like I hate Fox news and All mainstream media. Lincoln had to be assassinated for making that decision. Again, there is no difference from either party, most are crooks working for special interest. Obama/bush/clintoln/reagan.....all got elected because they were centrists. If Hardcore republics ran the WH and Cong. these days SS would be privatized which is a horrible thought. If Hardcore democrats ran the WH and Cong. the country be even more horrible. I'm no liberal nor conservative, I will not label nor limit myself to an ideology. There are some things in both parties that are good for the country and some not.

No Nod

You're pretty set in your ways and opinionated for a 26 yr old, Jordans.

Give yourself time to mature politically. You may not know who's right and who's wrong or be able to discern who's lying and who's not for a few years yet, it comes with experience if you're at all politically astute.

Even Winston Churchill knew this when he said: "Anyone who isn't liberal by the age of 20 has no heart and anyone who isn't conservative by the age of 40 has no brain."

It's all about the political environment you were exposed to. With today's overwhelmingly liberal educational systems and news media, most young people start out with a liberal bent. The smart ones eventually come to their senses over time when they see they've been fed a ration of lies. The gullible ones, the dumb ones, the ones that think they're "entitled" to something, the ones that want to be coddled and babied for the rest of their lives, all the weirdos, become democrats.

It's really just that simple.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it. Republican lies took America into Iraq. Where are the WMD? You attack President Obama for your country's problems. He did not create the problems and is doing his best to sove them. Here is another truth for you: America is bankrupt and will never be able to repay its debts.

We Canadians don't need to go off and attack anyone to prove how tough or smart we are. You are a warlike nation and have squandered your wealth on weapons and war.

"You are a warlike nation and have squandered your wealth on weapons and war."

If we weren't a 'warlike nation' as you say, you'd be goose-stepping to Wagner or eating with chopsticks right now, you arrogant ingrate.

 

"We Canadians don't need to go off and attack anyone to prove how tough or smart we are."

LOL, who you gonna attack, Greenland?  What a joke, you talking about attacking anyone. You couldn't even defend yourselves, we provide your security. You couldn't even mount an insurgency if you were occupied because you're not allowed to own guns. You're absolutely helpless and if it wasn't for us you'd be toast.

And our President wants us to be just like you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 18, 2011

Excellent.. I Agree!

 

And yes indeed:

A Canadian made the longest sniper kill shot on record, during The Afghan War; a dizzying 1.5 miles..

Impressive !!

(2004 maybe, can't remember the year for sure).

Actually, the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill has been held by a Brit Sniper since 2009.

 

Rob Furlong(born 1976), a former corporal of the Canadian Forces, once held the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill in combat, at 2,430 metres (2,657 yd, 12.08 furlongs, or 1.51 miles).[1] This shot exceeded the previous record of Arron Perry set in 2001 just before Furlong's record by 120 m or 130 yd. The record itself was bested by United Kingdom's Corporal of Horse (CoH) Craig Harrison who in November 2009 recorded a 2,475 m (2,707 yd) shot in the War in Afghanistan, exceeding Furlong's record by 45 m (49 yd).[2][3]

CashWinner$

Thanks for the heads up, Ridge!! I now stand corrected.. Yes Nod Patriot

freeobama's avatarfreeobama

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 18, 2011

You can stop the Racist bullsh*t  right now, I am a minority, most of my family through the generations has served this country and yes I am sick of people who won't stand up and take care of themselves.

so be offended all you want, I hope I offend you some more, because I am also done with this cry baby crap about feelings.

May God bless you Sully16. Remember this is a lottery form and it was not made to offend anyone.I am not a cry baby just telling how it is.Have you been in any combat infantry wars no! i thought so. May everyone no matter of there status in life is be blessed!Dance

freeobama's avatarfreeobama

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 18, 2011

You can stop the Racist bullsh*t  right now, I am a minority, most of my family through the generations has served this country and yes I am sick of people who won't stand up and take care of themselves.

so be offended all you want, I hope I offend you some more, because I am also done with this cry baby crap about feelings.

Sully16 your tax dollars cannot buy a can of peanuts!You are not spending millions of dollars in taxes!Your Mcdonalds check is not supporting anyone!ROFL

freeobama's avatarfreeobama

Sully16 the government deduct 50 cent every two weeks from your check and you are making a big deal about it! Green laugh

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by freeobama on Jul 19, 2011

Sully16 your tax dollars cannot buy a can of peanuts!You are not spending millions of dollars in taxes!Your Mcdonalds check is not supporting anyone!ROFL

You wished I worked at Mcdonalds, However, I do own Mcdonalds Stock.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by freeobama on Jul 19, 2011

Sully16 the government deduct 50 cent every two weeks from your check and you are making a big deal about it! Green laugh

It wouldn't make any difference to me if it was two cents every two weeks.

If they're taking it from me and giving it to freeloaders who are scamming the system, that's wrong.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on Jul 19, 2011

Thanks for the heads up, Ridge!! I now stand corrected.. Yes Nod Patriot

No problem, Cash. I didn't know it either but I found out when I went to read about the other guy.

1 and a 1/2 miles, that's a pretty dam good shot!

Jordans121's avatarJordans121

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 19, 2011

It wouldn't make any difference to me if it was two cents every two weeks.

If they're taking it from me and giving it to freeloaders who are scamming the system, that's wrong.

Stop complaining and run for office.LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Jul 19, 2011

Stop complaining and run for office.LOL

I'm not complaining but it's nice to know I got your vote! Thumbs Up

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Trillionaire on Jul 18, 2011

The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it. Republican lies took America into Iraq. Where are the WMD? You attack President Obama for your country's problems. He did not create the problems and is doing his best to sove them. Here is another truth for you: America is bankrupt and will never be able to repay its debts.

We Canadians don't need to go off and attack anyone to prove how tough or smart we are. You are a warlike nation and have squandered your wealth on weapons and war.

Canaduh almost became our fourteenth colony. Thirteen is not a bad number after all, is it?
What kind of history does the crown teach you? 
The old Roman empire went to Britton and from there Great Britton ruled

the world with slavery, war, impoverishment, famine, drugs, etc.

We were merely victims of the crown and told
them where to shove it when they made us a debtor society under their coin. You
are calling the kettle black son because Great Britton’s economics never
departed this country in the secret society. They are the war machine, they are
Rome; the little horn of Rome that rises out of the sea. Your monarchy sucks
and so will your divine-right-to-rule-the -world with a Royal bloodline to Jesus  'King'. Your college sucks too
like your “national” hockey team.

We got the trophy and you will never have it again. We also
got our freedom from the crown (for a while) because we won that match in a
most English gentlemanly way: we went Rambo and ruthless for the win with the
best trained former English soldiers. After our civil war we should have
marched on Canaduh for their involvement and taken it for our own, but we
looked the other way like a good neighbor would. We don’t want no Backdoor freaks, not then, not now. We are a United States.

Just remember this,.. if we suck so bad, you are going down
with us, and you know it. Wars are a designed conflict venture capitalists gain from and the crown still calls the shots just like Caesar did.

Guess who was back in country after returning home on a commercial flight for all the world to see? Ever hear about the Bohemian Grove? Stay out of our politics and our form of government.

DD

kyokushin187's avatarkyokushin187

Gonna go out on a limb here ridge.but  I bet you drive a pick up with a confederate flag window decal.and u also live in the deep south on a red dirt road.does that sound bout right.oh. u also dip snuff or chewing tobacco.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by kyokushin187 on Jul 22, 2011

Gonna go out on a limb here ridge.but  I bet you drive a pick up with a confederate flag window decal.and u also live in the deep south on a red dirt road.does that sound bout right.oh. u also dip snuff or chewing tobacco.

I think what you're trying to say in a diplomatic way is that I'm a hillbilly. Well, yep.

I don't have a Rebel Flag flag in my back window though or anywhere else.

It's a Gadsden Flag which tells the people in Washington DC who've set out to destroy our country to be careful where they tread.

This isn't a north-south thing, this is a right-wrong thing.

People who hate our country are in the White House and controlling the Senate.

The people who love this country all have to work together to throw their asses out.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 22, 2011

I think what you're trying to say in a diplomatic way is that I'm a hillbilly. Well, yep.

I don't have a Rebel Flag flag in my back window though or anywhere else.

It's a Gadsden Flag which tells the people in Washington DC who've set out to destroy our country to be careful where they tread.

This isn't a north-south thing, this is a right-wrong thing.

People who hate our country are in the White House and controlling the Senate.

The people who love this country all have to work together to throw their asses out.

Economics is always an underlying theme. Some people in the far
mid-western frontier did not want slaves and by golly, some economists just
would not take NO for an answer. Mob
rule used succession for an excuse to do business on the backs of humans like
they were mules.

The same kind of mob ruined our economy of late and they don’t
want to run this country in the black so a new succession called bankruptcy can
usher in new order out of the chaos. The greedy will always be with us and behind
them is the money and machinery of corporations who want to do business their
way without any consequence they have to own-up to. We have deregulation of the media, of banking,
of energy and it all leads to a monopoly. Regulation was not economic interference,
it kept the wolves at bay and it worked for the greater good of this country. Some
will call it interference but it only interfered with monopolistic oligarchian
designs. Now we bail out the corporations and foot the bill. WE paid the tab of those who ran up the bill. Imagine if you were rich and had a political party protecting your ill-gotten wealth? Same happened in the prairie and south
years ago.

Our economy is never to recover and the sooner you realize
that, the sooner you will see that those protected criminals who are behind the
politicians are using them like they are using you: like a borrowed mule. They
want congress to succeed from the debt and every state of the union to follow
suit.

Slavery benefitted a select few who’s business practices
made an unfair economic field of play. They did not want to play fair and cried
that their freedom was being withheld as they enslaved untold numbers. We see
it again but the slaves are not black Negros from Africa, they are the entire
population of this country. We have been sold into economic slavery and you can
thank Ronald Reagan for that in deregulation that was sold as economic freedom.
What a lie. It is freedom with exception and not for all.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jul 22, 2011

Economics is always an underlying theme. Some people in the far
mid-western frontier did not want slaves and by golly, some economists just
would not take NO for an answer. Mob
rule used succession for an excuse to do business on the backs of humans like
they were mules.

The same kind of mob ruined our economy of late and they don’t
want to run this country in the black so a new succession called bankruptcy can
usher in new order out of the chaos. The greedy will always be with us and behind
them is the money and machinery of corporations who want to do business their
way without any consequence they have to own-up to. We have deregulation of the media, of banking,
of energy and it all leads to a monopoly. Regulation was not economic interference,
it kept the wolves at bay and it worked for the greater good of this country. Some
will call it interference but it only interfered with monopolistic oligarchian
designs. Now we bail out the corporations and foot the bill. WE paid the tab of those who ran up the bill. Imagine if you were rich and had a political party protecting your ill-gotten wealth? Same happened in the prairie and south
years ago.

Our economy is never to recover and the sooner you realize
that, the sooner you will see that those protected criminals who are behind the
politicians are using them like they are using you: like a borrowed mule. They
want congress to succeed from the debt and every state of the union to follow
suit.

Slavery benefitted a select few who’s business practices
made an unfair economic field of play. They did not want to play fair and cried
that their freedom was being withheld as they enslaved untold numbers. We see
it again but the slaves are not black Negros from Africa, they are the entire
population of this country. We have been sold into economic slavery and you can
thank Ronald Reagan for that in deregulation that was sold as economic freedom.
What a lie. It is freedom with exception and not for all.

I have no use for Lyndon LaRouche or his conspiracy theories.

Thanks anyway.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 22, 2011

I have no use for Lyndon LaRouche or his conspiracy theories.

Thanks anyway.

Sorry I have never heard or read the man. There is no
conspiracy to reveal. History of the last four decades has it all. Getting rid
of the politicians does not solve the problem because the problems are the entitleist
rich who bribe the politicians. our national problem is based in low ethics and morals and the lack of the desire to be honest folk.

The succession of the south was the same mentality of
entitleism for a few elite. They wanted freedom to do as they wished even at
the expense of those who would never know the same benefit for their own. The
war between the states was about economics; tyranny through slavery and greed.
Government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations,
with slave labor and no chance of competition.

We hear politicians barking the same entitlements that businesses
do not need the regulation of the government to insure freedom for all.
DEREGULATE! TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! MAKE JOBS! sure. The fox is guarding the henhouse to keep wolves away. right

The economy is not stalled because the worker bee is
overpaid, the corporate level bonuses have never been better than now. That is
a fact jack. We are in a mode of consolidation. Our biggest export is a bad dept.

I really do agree with that Canook except for the part that
we are the war machine. Republicans want
states to go bankrupt so they can be without sovereignty. That is not a call
for less government, it is a call for NO government. Not satisfied with the
results of economic doom, the republicans are twisting the blade to make sure
the effect is sure. The only plan is failure and to erect a new form of government
and Denver will be the seat. FEMA has the draft and the power to implement it,
without a sitting president.

You consider yourself a patriot and turn the Gadsden on the
very country that stood for freedom? The flag of our first military against the
government it once served? I call that sedition. Sounds like a coup. What a crock of patriotism
looking for another tax break… I can’t wait until corporations start flying it
to protect themselves from any form of ethical regulation. But look- Palin’s
speech is full of it and in that drill, the government has no right to regulate free
commerce and is in the way of economic progress. Do you hear that, the right is claiming the
government is the enemy in just a few short years from Bush. Palin was going to tariff the hell our of new oil revenues. What you lack today is because of the government according to them. Bush threw us into so much debt
and for what? Protect our borders? To give you the finger? What a flake and for
a small inferred tax break and low prices at the pump, many sheep follow. It is called motivation by self preservation
and in anarchy, it gets real nasty, right to the bone. It is on our doorstep.
You are as patriotic as a moneychanger.

Fact is people will not be honest and that is why we have
laws to protect goodness in culture and that is protecting our individual
rights as a single citizen and as a whole nation. Now it is called socialism
and is cast in the teeth of self-serving entitleists. Even the Supremes are
corrupt and are sold-out.

Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom.

You want political perfection in a world that cannot deliver
that, but we did have it pretty good a few years back before the dominoes made
it down the line. There are now only a few left standing.

How ironic that the symbol against tyranny and oppression is
now the symbol for it, waved and worn by nanny-staters who claim to have rights
of ‘freedom’ entitlement and no taxation like the very rich enjoy. That is an
open door to anarchy or a FEMA camp. See how much freedom reigns under martial
law when it is invoked to preserve social order. Freedom will have a new price,
heavily inflated.

Better stock up on canned peaches and toilet paper, because in
one week the shelves will be empty when the rush is on. Don’t let the fat linger on your bone because
the neighbors will tread on you for your peaches, Gadsden or not.

The land is not blessed, the crops are failing. We
are a Godless nation manipulated by Godless self-serving greedy men.

God Bless President Obama because he is a man who stands in
the gap between our wholeness and certain destruction. He knows freedom and is
fighting to keep us free no matter how much the republicans want to force us
into slavery and a new form of servitude. You may not like him but he is a whole
lot better than what is coming down pike’s path.

DD

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jul 22, 2011

Sorry I have never heard or read the man. There is no
conspiracy to reveal. History of the last four decades has it all. Getting rid
of the politicians does not solve the problem because the problems are the entitleist
rich who bribe the politicians. our national problem is based in low ethics and morals and the lack of the desire to be honest folk.

The succession of the south was the same mentality of
entitleism for a few elite. They wanted freedom to do as they wished even at
the expense of those who would never know the same benefit for their own. The
war between the states was about economics; tyranny through slavery and greed.
Government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations,
with slave labor and no chance of competition.

We hear politicians barking the same entitlements that businesses
do not need the regulation of the government to insure freedom for all.
DEREGULATE! TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! MAKE JOBS! sure. The fox is guarding the henhouse to keep wolves away. right

The economy is not stalled because the worker bee is
overpaid, the corporate level bonuses have never been better than now. That is
a fact jack. We are in a mode of consolidation. Our biggest export is a bad dept.

I really do agree with that Canook except for the part that
we are the war machine. Republicans want
states to go bankrupt so they can be without sovereignty. That is not a call
for less government, it is a call for NO government. Not satisfied with the
results of economic doom, the republicans are twisting the blade to make sure
the effect is sure. The only plan is failure and to erect a new form of government
and Denver will be the seat. FEMA has the draft and the power to implement it,
without a sitting president.

You consider yourself a patriot and turn the Gadsden on the
very country that stood for freedom? The flag of our first military against the
government it once served? I call that sedition. Sounds like a coup. What a crock of patriotism
looking for another tax break… I can’t wait until corporations start flying it
to protect themselves from any form of ethical regulation. But look- Palin’s
speech is full of it and in that drill, the government has no right to regulate free
commerce and is in the way of economic progress. Do you hear that, the right is claiming the
government is the enemy in just a few short years from Bush. Palin was going to tariff the hell our of new oil revenues. What you lack today is because of the government according to them. Bush threw us into so much debt
and for what? Protect our borders? To give you the finger? What a flake and for
a small inferred tax break and low prices at the pump, many sheep follow. It is called motivation by self preservation
and in anarchy, it gets real nasty, right to the bone. It is on our doorstep.
You are as patriotic as a moneychanger.

Fact is people will not be honest and that is why we have
laws to protect goodness in culture and that is protecting our individual
rights as a single citizen and as a whole nation. Now it is called socialism
and is cast in the teeth of self-serving entitleists. Even the Supremes are
corrupt and are sold-out.

Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom.

You want political perfection in a world that cannot deliver
that, but we did have it pretty good a few years back before the dominoes made
it down the line. There are now only a few left standing.

How ironic that the symbol against tyranny and oppression is
now the symbol for it, waved and worn by nanny-staters who claim to have rights
of ‘freedom’ entitlement and no taxation like the very rich enjoy. That is an
open door to anarchy or a FEMA camp. See how much freedom reigns under martial
law when it is invoked to preserve social order. Freedom will have a new price,
heavily inflated.

Better stock up on canned peaches and toilet paper, because in
one week the shelves will be empty when the rush is on. Don’t let the fat linger on your bone because
the neighbors will tread on you for your peaches, Gadsden or not.

The land is not blessed, the crops are failing. We
are a Godless nation manipulated by Godless self-serving greedy men.

God Bless President Obama because he is a man who stands in
the gap between our wholeness and certain destruction. He knows freedom and is
fighting to keep us free no matter how much the republicans want to force us
into slavery and a new form of servitude. You may not like him but he is a whole
lot better than what is coming down pike’s path.

DD

Shouldn't you be out breaking windows in downtown Seattle or something?

Put your boyfriend or husband back on while you're gone.

He was a little goofy at times but you're psychotic.

And you always seem to show up here when you're manic and off your meds.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jul 22, 2011

Sorry I have never heard or read the man. There is no
conspiracy to reveal. History of the last four decades has it all. Getting rid
of the politicians does not solve the problem because the problems are the entitleist
rich who bribe the politicians. our national problem is based in low ethics and morals and the lack of the desire to be honest folk.

The succession of the south was the same mentality of
entitleism for a few elite. They wanted freedom to do as they wished even at
the expense of those who would never know the same benefit for their own. The
war between the states was about economics; tyranny through slavery and greed.
Government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations,
with slave labor and no chance of competition.

We hear politicians barking the same entitlements that businesses
do not need the regulation of the government to insure freedom for all.
DEREGULATE! TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! MAKE JOBS! sure. The fox is guarding the henhouse to keep wolves away. right

The economy is not stalled because the worker bee is
overpaid, the corporate level bonuses have never been better than now. That is
a fact jack. We are in a mode of consolidation. Our biggest export is a bad dept.

I really do agree with that Canook except for the part that
we are the war machine. Republicans want
states to go bankrupt so they can be without sovereignty. That is not a call
for less government, it is a call for NO government. Not satisfied with the
results of economic doom, the republicans are twisting the blade to make sure
the effect is sure. The only plan is failure and to erect a new form of government
and Denver will be the seat. FEMA has the draft and the power to implement it,
without a sitting president.

You consider yourself a patriot and turn the Gadsden on the
very country that stood for freedom? The flag of our first military against the
government it once served? I call that sedition. Sounds like a coup. What a crock of patriotism
looking for another tax break… I can’t wait until corporations start flying it
to protect themselves from any form of ethical regulation. But look- Palin’s
speech is full of it and in that drill, the government has no right to regulate free
commerce and is in the way of economic progress. Do you hear that, the right is claiming the
government is the enemy in just a few short years from Bush. Palin was going to tariff the hell our of new oil revenues. What you lack today is because of the government according to them. Bush threw us into so much debt
and for what? Protect our borders? To give you the finger? What a flake and for
a small inferred tax break and low prices at the pump, many sheep follow. It is called motivation by self preservation
and in anarchy, it gets real nasty, right to the bone. It is on our doorstep.
You are as patriotic as a moneychanger.

Fact is people will not be honest and that is why we have
laws to protect goodness in culture and that is protecting our individual
rights as a single citizen and as a whole nation. Now it is called socialism
and is cast in the teeth of self-serving entitleists. Even the Supremes are
corrupt and are sold-out.

Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom.

You want political perfection in a world that cannot deliver
that, but we did have it pretty good a few years back before the dominoes made
it down the line. There are now only a few left standing.

How ironic that the symbol against tyranny and oppression is
now the symbol for it, waved and worn by nanny-staters who claim to have rights
of ‘freedom’ entitlement and no taxation like the very rich enjoy. That is an
open door to anarchy or a FEMA camp. See how much freedom reigns under martial
law when it is invoked to preserve social order. Freedom will have a new price,
heavily inflated.

Better stock up on canned peaches and toilet paper, because in
one week the shelves will be empty when the rush is on. Don’t let the fat linger on your bone because
the neighbors will tread on you for your peaches, Gadsden or not.

The land is not blessed, the crops are failing. We
are a Godless nation manipulated by Godless self-serving greedy men.

God Bless President Obama because he is a man who stands in
the gap between our wholeness and certain destruction. He knows freedom and is
fighting to keep us free no matter how much the republicans want to force us
into slavery and a new form of servitude. You may not like him but he is a whole
lot better than what is coming down pike’s path.

DD

"Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom."

 

You're an idiot.

This isn't the country the Gadsden Flag served or helped create.

Not even close.

This is Liberal Utopia - this is Obamaland - this is our government going against everything our Founding Fathers stood for and everything the Constitution guarantees.

This is a nation modeled after that great liberal democrat success story - Detroit.

 

 

And if you ever called me a traitor to my face, your smile would never be the same again.

Believe that. 

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jul 22, 2011

Sorry I have never heard or read the man. There is no
conspiracy to reveal. History of the last four decades has it all. Getting rid
of the politicians does not solve the problem because the problems are the entitleist
rich who bribe the politicians. our national problem is based in low ethics and morals and the lack of the desire to be honest folk.

The succession of the south was the same mentality of
entitleism for a few elite. They wanted freedom to do as they wished even at
the expense of those who would never know the same benefit for their own. The
war between the states was about economics; tyranny through slavery and greed.
Government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations,
with slave labor and no chance of competition.

We hear politicians barking the same entitlements that businesses
do not need the regulation of the government to insure freedom for all.
DEREGULATE! TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! MAKE JOBS! sure. The fox is guarding the henhouse to keep wolves away. right

The economy is not stalled because the worker bee is
overpaid, the corporate level bonuses have never been better than now. That is
a fact jack. We are in a mode of consolidation. Our biggest export is a bad dept.

I really do agree with that Canook except for the part that
we are the war machine. Republicans want
states to go bankrupt so they can be without sovereignty. That is not a call
for less government, it is a call for NO government. Not satisfied with the
results of economic doom, the republicans are twisting the blade to make sure
the effect is sure. The only plan is failure and to erect a new form of government
and Denver will be the seat. FEMA has the draft and the power to implement it,
without a sitting president.

You consider yourself a patriot and turn the Gadsden on the
very country that stood for freedom? The flag of our first military against the
government it once served? I call that sedition. Sounds like a coup. What a crock of patriotism
looking for another tax break… I can’t wait until corporations start flying it
to protect themselves from any form of ethical regulation. But look- Palin’s
speech is full of it and in that drill, the government has no right to regulate free
commerce and is in the way of economic progress. Do you hear that, the right is claiming the
government is the enemy in just a few short years from Bush. Palin was going to tariff the hell our of new oil revenues. What you lack today is because of the government according to them. Bush threw us into so much debt
and for what? Protect our borders? To give you the finger? What a flake and for
a small inferred tax break and low prices at the pump, many sheep follow. It is called motivation by self preservation
and in anarchy, it gets real nasty, right to the bone. It is on our doorstep.
You are as patriotic as a moneychanger.

Fact is people will not be honest and that is why we have
laws to protect goodness in culture and that is protecting our individual
rights as a single citizen and as a whole nation. Now it is called socialism
and is cast in the teeth of self-serving entitleists. Even the Supremes are
corrupt and are sold-out.

Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom.

You want political perfection in a world that cannot deliver
that, but we did have it pretty good a few years back before the dominoes made
it down the line. There are now only a few left standing.

How ironic that the symbol against tyranny and oppression is
now the symbol for it, waved and worn by nanny-staters who claim to have rights
of ‘freedom’ entitlement and no taxation like the very rich enjoy. That is an
open door to anarchy or a FEMA camp. See how much freedom reigns under martial
law when it is invoked to preserve social order. Freedom will have a new price,
heavily inflated.

Better stock up on canned peaches and toilet paper, because in
one week the shelves will be empty when the rush is on. Don’t let the fat linger on your bone because
the neighbors will tread on you for your peaches, Gadsden or not.

The land is not blessed, the crops are failing. We
are a Godless nation manipulated by Godless self-serving greedy men.

God Bless President Obama because he is a man who stands in
the gap between our wholeness and certain destruction. He knows freedom and is
fighting to keep us free no matter how much the republicans want to force us
into slavery and a new form of servitude. You may not like him but he is a whole
lot better than what is coming down pike’s path.

DD

ThudWith thinking like that, Then yes, we are up Sh*ts creek without a paddle.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 23, 2011

"Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom."

 

You're an idiot.

This isn't the country the Gadsden Flag served or helped create.

Not even close.

This is Liberal Utopia - this is Obamaland - this is our government going against everything our Founding Fathers stood for and everything the Constitution guarantees.

This is a nation modeled after that great liberal democrat success story - Detroit.

 

 

And if you ever called me a traitor to my face, your smile would never be the same again.

Believe that. 

Agree.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 23, 2011

"Anyone who flies the Gadsden against the country it served
is a traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of freedom."

 

You're an idiot.

This isn't the country the Gadsden Flag served or helped create.

Not even close.

This is Liberal Utopia - this is Obamaland - this is our government going against everything our Founding Fathers stood for and everything the Constitution guarantees.

This is a nation modeled after that great liberal democrat success story - Detroit.

 

 

And if you ever called me a traitor to my face, your smile would never be the same again.

Believe that. 

Sounds like a personal problem.

The Gadsden Flag is a military flag and the first flag of
the Marines of the colonial era. The
symbolism of a snake was used as a graphical illustration of the first
colonies. They have been since assembled under a different flag and one that is
approved as the flag of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Under the Gadsden Flag our first Marines engaged not the
citizens of the colonies, but foreign foes who where oppressive under foreign flag. You are inferring the flag of
the USA is foreign to you and under another flag you will prevail. You wish to employ a
military force against the country and later citizens that commissioned our
first Marines under the Gadsden? You are suggesting a military coup against
this country and that is SEDITION.

To fly the Gadsden is to represent military might and the
message on the flag bears a warning.

It is not the flag of civilians, but of those under military
rule. It does not represent a country, but a military force with no country.

To fly the Gadsden against the country that before its founding fought under it is an act of sedition. To declare any action
on a citizen, organization, or governing body of the USA under the Gadsden is sedition.

If you are a patriot I suggest you read the Patriot Act and
specifically the content that covers SEDITION.

The Tea baggers want to destroy this country under the
Gadsden, with the Gadsden. Their acts of sedition in our culture have been the
cause for the death of a seated Federal Judge, an assault on a member of
Congress and the death of not only public servants but of private citizens,
including a little girl. Now they are running with the republicans and John
McCain has made it clear that these elected ‘patriots’ are the reason our form
of government is on the brink of failure. That is proof of more sedition in
action and it is being voiced on the right.

Boehner said that they (who he represents) will have the
last word on the assassination and attempted assassination. The tea baggers are getting all the rope they
will need to hang themselves. Your tax dollars are at work in ways you do not
know.

A true patriot of this country has allegiance to one flag.
If you fly the Gadsden today, you are not a patriot but are a SEDITIOUS element
to be dealt with as a domestic foe, who, will use violence to achieve a
political coup and halt the payment of troops who are sworn to defend the
constitution and all it represents including the flag that flies over it. Quite
an interesting way to disarm our military, who, will fight foes, foreign or
domestic. The Gadsden does not represent the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA and never
did.

The back-door Tea-Baggers in Congress are sworn to only one
flag, but so were the turncoats of England. You have a conflict of interest.
You are worse than a turncoat. You areseditious and no less than Jarred Loughtner, The Unabomber, Abbie Hoffman and, not unlike the mindset of
that freak in Norway who wishes to start a revolution under a new/old flag .


Threaten with force all you want for your political ideals, you will lose at
the end of a rope. You have no freedoms or Constitution under the Gadsden flag.
You have no country in allegiance to that flag. You are a daydreamer anarchist
like those in Congress who wish to reform this country at its own expense.

Now go read the Patriot Act. It and the FEMA camps are
products and interests of those who will have the last word on SEDITION. The
republicans will be as always, ruthless in their pursuits and they are the ones
who have drawn the line in the sand you are stepping over. I suggest you go to CAIRO and voice your
personal problems there in an environment suited to sedition, a coup and
anarchy.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Delta Dippy,

I see you're manic and off your meds again so here you are on your virtual soapbox on your virtual street corner ranting and raving about your left-wing, America-hating fantasies and tales of woe and gloom and doom and the sky falling and all the other things you weirdoes preach about while annoying the public at large.

FEMA camps? Please.

All I needed to know about you I read in one of your other rambling, moronic, mania-inspired essays:

 

"God Bless President Obama because he is a man who stands in
the gap between our wholeness and certain destruction. He knows freedom and is
fighting to keep us free no matter how much the republicans want to force us
into slavery and a new form of servitude."     

 

If that's what you believe, we have nothing more to discuss.

Because it shows how much of a moron you are.

Go back to your left-wing, lunatic fringe, liberal looney-toon website and talk your socialist garbage to your fellow nutjobs who hate America with the same passion you do. It ain't gonna fly here.

And get back on your meds.

Delta Draw

Oh the despair you have there. You and Jefferson have much in common, you
hide like a <snip>roach.

Name calling when youcannot handle the topic like an educated grown man.

You are as patriotic as dog poop on the
western lawn. McCain is right about the
next term and even though it was decided long ago, he can point a finger at the
TEAs. So there is your whipping boy. There is the republican whipping boy and
they will ensure a second term because it is just a game like the budget
tension we hear about. Please, send Palin some money so she can decide for you
who to vote for.

You are such a pawn with no view of the board or game in
play.

My President is a good man and if you watch the news he is being prayed for as much as this country is being prayed for.

I pray for him much.

 

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I really wish you would take your meds and calm down.

Maybe you'd stop talking so crazy.

Maybe you'd come to your senses.

Maybe you'd decide for sure if you want to be a male or a female.

Or remain in your current limbo of west-coast dancin' boy ala cross-dressing chickenhawk.

 

"My President is a good man..."

 LMAO!  LOL

 

DOGSTYLE!

"I'm me again--and it'll do."
--CatwomanHippy

LMAO!Green laugh

The meds, Dippy, the meds!

For the love of God Dippy! Take your meds now!   LOL

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 28, 2011

I really wish you would take your meds and calm down.

Maybe you'd stop talking so crazy.

Maybe you'd come to your senses.

Maybe you'd decide for sure if you want to be a male or a female.

Or remain in your current limbo of west-coast dancin' boy ala cross-dressing chickenhawk.

 

"My President is a good man..."

 LMAO!  LOL

 

DOGSTYLE!

"I'm me again--and it'll do."
--CatwomanHippy

LMAO!Green laugh

The meds, Dippy, the meds!

For the love of God Dippy! Take your meds now!   LOL

I was wrong. It does not sound like you have a personal problem, it is one.

Hey how would your hero Jefferson hold up today with a teen-age sex slave?

http://www.eagletribune.com/worldnational/x1452095066/Polygamist-leader-mute-during-opening-statement

Give some more of those virtuous quotes from your
hero-rapist, I need a good laugh. Or tell me how the Gadsden is a symbol for
today’s historically illiterate. You are more funny than tiggs but that is
because he actually can think for himself and when he says something stupid it
is usually self-deprecating. Your problem is you actually believe that your heroes
of history are fit to pattern your ethic after, and were good men. Like your avatar
of a poet and lover of young men, you have a strange way of disclosing your
passions. Now that is funny!

I don’t mind the insults at all from you. I just consider
the source. Too bad you were a lousy history student. You and Sarah Louise are
like peas and carrots when it comes to historical gaffs.

Jefferson spoke words like a candidate, not a moral anchor. He
could not even free all his children from slavery as he promised the woman he
had six additional children from as outlined in his will.  Did you get that? Not until he died did he free some of them! He lied at home, so what kind of moral character is that? Fit enough to be president? If he screwed over his own kin, his children no less, how does that make him an untouchable historical noble? Some forefather he was,... too bad we outlawed his behavior and abolished slavery to make a more perfect union and nation of free citizens.

Face it, some people like liars like Jefferson and Nixon and the Bushes. They like to be looked straight
in the eye and be lied to. Schmoozed for a vote. HOODWINKED. If you had any fibre in your
being, you would own up to the fact that you seem to be  attracted to men/women of low character
who’s political influence will allow you to be corrupt and contribute to the
decline of this society and nation. 'W' cut taxes for a few, not all and threw us into debt, -now how are we supposed to pay our bills that he partied on? He gave out bribes and had no plan to pay for them like the 2008 kicker. Incentives were bribes paid from a loan, not abundance. He may as well have gotten a second to buy a boat or pay off credit card debt. Talk about sedition!

And when -O- got the medical thing passed, it was just a diversion of focus because he felt compelled to keep  a pledge. Now it is his turn in the barrel and conservatives will bring the country to its knees to defeat him. What a marvelous plan; win at chess and lose the country! Make everyone feel the tension and the pain of fiscal insolvency, then they will get another draw from the FED. Too bad McCain and Palin did not make the election, we would be on target by now under them. You have to laugh when you remember McCain declared a sound economy that was really on the verge -only to be delayed until the day after the election for emegency trader action.  The media played down the fall of the big three for most of a week and blamed the market fall on Cisco having a bad quarter. The house of Bush was going to screw who ever made grade, right or left.

We have no business spreading democracy around the globe because we were to be a republic. Democracy is mob rule. We are in the last stages of a democracy and what comes next is a fearful thing. Too bad I'll miss it but I have marveled long enough.

Maybe you would not have ex wives if
they had been your slaves in the first place, with no rights,.... is that why  you like
pigs like Jefferson? When we get to the point where we see the forefathers as humans and not deititys and face the music then we as a nation can move ahead. But you don't want that just like the swine Jefferson. You want totalitarian rule like you are a privelaged class of pigs with a second class and a no class slave society. There is very little room at the top and they are consuming each other like media giants. Countries are next and we will lead the way as the snake eats it's own tail.

We were sold into slavery by the recent republicans, but they had help. Most do not know that or can honestly admit that. Time for new order. Not good new order, just new order. Not even the rich of this country will escape the new consolidation in the pattern of Reagan's great deregulation. We all own the debt and we all will pay our keepers. There is a reason why some politicians are vacating the beltway for some quality time in the country with lots of canned peaches. There is a solution to pay the debt you will not like, and you would gladly have paid the taxes as an alternative, given the chance. You have no say in the matter because the plan is not to resolve our debt as a country. We and our currency are a means to an end forged out by our forefathers in the Great Seal on the back of a dollar bill. We are subjects of a new world order in case you missed that disclosure when you learned about the great seal in civics. (what? no one told you? But why? Why the secrecy? Why the strange symbolism with hidden meanings? Why the pentagrams and the 'eye'?)

Sedition comes in many forms and is going to be addressed soon. Malicious software is one of them. The Gadsden flag is another. The TEA party is another, etc, etc , etc.                                               New World Order is chief among all of them.

Oh, and if I am crazy, try to regulate that with a law of man and good luck getting your pound of flesh. In an instant, in the twinkling of an eye I will be gone. You can help yourself to whatever you can glean, I am leaving everything behind.

Only God's grace will hold things together now, for a little while.

I am eating my canned peaches now. Enjoy the chaos because it advents new order.

Just glad I don't live on the east coast and can breath the fresh ocean air direct from Japan. ahh, peaches.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jul 29, 2011

I was wrong. It does not sound like you have a personal problem, it is one.

Hey how would your hero Jefferson hold up today with a teen-age sex slave?

http://www.eagletribune.com/worldnational/x1452095066/Polygamist-leader-mute-during-opening-statement

Give some more of those virtuous quotes from your
hero-rapist, I need a good laugh. Or tell me how the Gadsden is a symbol for
today’s historically illiterate. You are more funny than tiggs but that is
because he actually can think for himself and when he says something stupid it
is usually self-deprecating. Your problem is you actually believe that your heroes
of history are fit to pattern your ethic after, and were good men. Like your avatar
of a poet and lover of young men, you have a strange way of disclosing your
passions. Now that is funny!

I don’t mind the insults at all from you. I just consider
the source. Too bad you were a lousy history student. You and Sarah Louise are
like peas and carrots when it comes to historical gaffs.

Jefferson spoke words like a candidate, not a moral anchor. He
could not even free all his children from slavery as he promised the woman he
had six additional children from as outlined in his will.  Did you get that? Not until he died did he free some of them! He lied at home, so what kind of moral character is that? Fit enough to be president? If he screwed over his own kin, his children no less, how does that make him an untouchable historical noble? Some forefather he was,... too bad we outlawed his behavior and abolished slavery to make a more perfect union and nation of free citizens.

Face it, some people like liars like Jefferson and Nixon and the Bushes. They like to be looked straight
in the eye and be lied to. Schmoozed for a vote. HOODWINKED. If you had any fibre in your
being, you would own up to the fact that you seem to be  attracted to men/women of low character
who’s political influence will allow you to be corrupt and contribute to the
decline of this society and nation. 'W' cut taxes for a few, not all and threw us into debt, -now how are we supposed to pay our bills that he partied on? He gave out bribes and had no plan to pay for them like the 2008 kicker. Incentives were bribes paid from a loan, not abundance. He may as well have gotten a second to buy a boat or pay off credit card debt. Talk about sedition!

And when -O- got the medical thing passed, it was just a diversion of focus because he felt compelled to keep  a pledge. Now it is his turn in the barrel and conservatives will bring the country to its knees to defeat him. What a marvelous plan; win at chess and lose the country! Make everyone feel the tension and the pain of fiscal insolvency, then they will get another draw from the FED. Too bad McCain and Palin did not make the election, we would be on target by now under them. You have to laugh when you remember McCain declared a sound economy that was really on the verge -only to be delayed until the day after the election for emegency trader action.  The media played down the fall of the big three for most of a week and blamed the market fall on Cisco having a bad quarter. The house of Bush was going to screw who ever made grade, right or left.

We have no business spreading democracy around the globe because we were to be a republic. Democracy is mob rule. We are in the last stages of a democracy and what comes next is a fearful thing. Too bad I'll miss it but I have marveled long enough.

Maybe you would not have ex wives if
they had been your slaves in the first place, with no rights,.... is that why  you like
pigs like Jefferson? When we get to the point where we see the forefathers as humans and not deititys and face the music then we as a nation can move ahead. But you don't want that just like the swine Jefferson. You want totalitarian rule like you are a privelaged class of pigs with a second class and a no class slave society. There is very little room at the top and they are consuming each other like media giants. Countries are next and we will lead the way as the snake eats it's own tail.

We were sold into slavery by the recent republicans, but they had help. Most do not know that or can honestly admit that. Time for new order. Not good new order, just new order. Not even the rich of this country will escape the new consolidation in the pattern of Reagan's great deregulation. We all own the debt and we all will pay our keepers. There is a reason why some politicians are vacating the beltway for some quality time in the country with lots of canned peaches. There is a solution to pay the debt you will not like, and you would gladly have paid the taxes as an alternative, given the chance. You have no say in the matter because the plan is not to resolve our debt as a country. We and our currency are a means to an end forged out by our forefathers in the Great Seal on the back of a dollar bill. We are subjects of a new world order in case you missed that disclosure when you learned about the great seal in civics. (what? no one told you? But why? Why the secrecy? Why the strange symbolism with hidden meanings? Why the pentagrams and the 'eye'?)

Sedition comes in many forms and is going to be addressed soon. Malicious software is one of them. The Gadsden flag is another. The TEA party is another, etc, etc , etc.                                               New World Order is chief among all of them.

Oh, and if I am crazy, try to regulate that with a law of man and good luck getting your pound of flesh. In an instant, in the twinkling of an eye I will be gone. You can help yourself to whatever you can glean, I am leaving everything behind.

Only God's grace will hold things together now, for a little while.

I am eating my canned peaches now. Enjoy the chaos because it advents new order.

Just glad I don't live on the east coast and can breath the fresh ocean air direct from Japan. ahh, peaches.

Uh-oh, I think all that incoherent rambling means the Hale-Bopp Comet is coming back to pick up stragglers.

 

"...humans and not deititys and face the music..."

Deititys... hmmm... Are those the breasts of goddesses or what? LOL

 

 "...too bad we outlawed his behavior and abolished slavery..."Crazy

We? We? You're a democrat, hello? You guys owned the slaves!

It was the Republicans under Lincoln who freed them! 

Wake up, numbnuts!

 

"'W' cut taxes for a few, not all and threw us into debt..."

The bottom 50% of the income scale in this country pay 0 taxes. None, nada, zip, zero, zilch.

How do you propose we cut taxes for them, cat lady? Crazy

 

"...what comes next is a fearful thing. Too bad I'll miss it..." Crazy

Whatever it is, it certainly won't be the first thing you've missed.

But to be perfectly honest, I've always kinda liked crazy people. LOL

 

"...quality time in the country with lots of canned peaches."Crazy

I'm sure in your mind this is something very profound.

 

"But why? Why the secrecy? Why the strange symbolism with hidden meanings? Why the pentagrams and the 'eye'?"

I think it's the BOOGIE MAN from under your bed coming to get you! BOOLOL

 

"I am eating my canned peaches now."Crazy

Enjoy your peaches, Fruitcake!  LOL

 

Missionary Style!

I'm the Queen of England again!

and it'll do...    LOLGreen laughLOL

Seriously, Dipsh*t, get back on your meds.

Delta Draw

"...humans and not deititys and face the music..."

Deititys... hmmm... Are those the breasts of goddesses or what? 

I knew you would like that. Good one. Turn-around is fair play, but only when you stick to the facts.

 

"...too bad we outlawed his behavior and abolished slavery..."
 

We? We? You're a democrat, hello? You guys owned the slaves!

It was the Republicans under Lincoln who freed them!

Wake up, numbnuts!

hello back. Numb nuts is really two words, but I get your drift. Strokes do have a way muddling thoughts and words. Now as for my slaves,… they are all dust mites but don’t trust a word they say. they would be mothing without their keepers.

I don’t get how the only owners of slaves were democrats since the Republican party was
first framed/born in Ripon Wisconsin in 1854: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripon,_Wisconsin

Are you saying all of the Confederate states subjects were DEMOCRATS? Does the South know that now because it is
time for the south to rise again and vote. Someone needs to find their roots.
Are you a descendent of Jefferson and how well do you dance?

It sounds good that Dems had all the slaves but if we only have two parties
and the ‘Pubs' started in a NO-slave state in 1854, then the rest of the country
had to be Dems before that. That includes the deep south who had slaves. You
cannot distinguish republicans as never having slaves unless you are a Northerner,
then it fits. I really doubt the deep south were aligned with the republicans
and in any event they should all be Democrats having had slaves. Why are they
Republicans now?

Not far from Ripon WI is a cultural POI in the city of Waupun. How fitting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_Trail

"'W' cut taxes for a few, not all and threw us into debt..."

The bottom 50% of the income scale in this
country pay 0 taxes. None, nada, zip, zero, zilch.

How do you propose we cut taxes for them, cat
lady? 
 

It is Ms. Cat lady to you, stumpy.

You may have a point there but I am going to approach your question like the point
is still the one that defines the top of your little disproportionate head:

I am not for cutting taxes. How’s that for an answer? Tax everyone six ways to Sunday,
and then tax them some more. How do you propose we pay our debt, -take out
another credit card loan?

Why don’t we tax heavy now (like everything we own) so we can still have fireworks on the fourth every year? The dept is non-partisan and everyone owns
it therefore, no matter how much it hurts, we should eat our peas,… take off the Band-Aid. ALL of US.

Or, we let the bankers fix it all for us. They have a plan.
Thomas Jefferson said the following from the link below.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive
the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the
banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson (Attributed)

3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

http://www.worldcrisisnewswatch.com/2011/06/bilderberg-2011-rockefeller-world-order.html

Take the issuing power from private banks and restore it to the people? If the banks cannot be private, how can the people control and regulate them in issuing currency? Sounds like a call for MORE Government from Mr. “less is more government”. That quote is pure political doubletalk. Could it be the ‘private banks’ then were satellite branches with the home office overseas and returning them to the people would free the people of foreign influence and economic tampering?  jes.

 

The quote is not a warning as much as it is the outline of
what he knew was to be implemented. Too little too late for Jefferson to change
his stripes. In the vacuum of private banks, what would you have? A nationalist
or federal Bank? A Consolidated Bank of all banks like the mother of? Would I
be stepping out a bit too far to use the words, World Bank? He was involved in
the structure and design of a plan by courting the bankers of Europe (not
in GB, and like Franklin before him, in France) 1784-1789. Franklin opened the
door and Jefferson walked right in. What jerks. Both did regret their involvement in
later years and did speak well of the virtues of freedom which they had been
oppressors of by way of the thirteen European bankers who helped us get our
supposed freedom. Jefferson was to be another Franklin and his swelling quotes
and renascence  man lifestyle shows it.

 I really think they admired freedom but from a distance because few could see all
the cards on the table – there was an illusion of freedom because a master plan
was evolving at the hands of an organization that had no boarders and was very
well protected in the success of their moves: SECRECY. In private, they may
have dreamed of freedom’s potential-
having seen the seditious inroads of tyranny they helped pave. Masons suck
because we never had sovereignty with their influence. Look at all the stupid
geometry of the streets of D.C., they made their mark like a predator marks a
tree in ownership of dominion. We don’t need another union working behind the
scenes influencing our economics or form of government.

Eisenhower quoted a highly decorated man of WW1 who
was the impetus behind the military industrial complex comment, compliments of
two writers. Too little, too late. The
shill for the cold war was too late because the Eisenhower Doctrine greased the MIC. He was a fox guarding the henhouse:
the COLD WAR MIC was the result of the Eisenhower Doctrine. ‘Oh look, there is
a wolf and your hair is on fire, we will protect you. Duck and hide.

Most do not know the origins of the Soviet Union; who designed its formation, funded its leaders, why, and,… that it was a designed conflict. How convenient for the MIC and the merchants. The fall of the Soviet Union was an event to be the beginning of our disarmament. It will be our turn in the barrel. We cannot survive on war economy no more than the USSR could. Bankers without borders know that.

Remember the bumper sticker that said, ”what if they held a war and no one showed up?” Wars are not accidents, hot or cold.
Our independence war did not just happen for all the reasons you think or were
taught. Later, a Czar was rubbed out because Russia opposed the European
bankers who eventually had him and all his family killed. A Russian Czar sent
his navy to help the North during our Civil war while the European bankers
wanted to win in the south. Who do you think grub-staked Lenin?

http://libertyinexile.com/tag/military-industrial-complex/

There is a plan and a solution to the problem by the same ones that orchestrated the chaos. It is an old plan that endures
generations. In hindsight, we see Jefferson was not prophetic, he was just being honest about what he knew and he pointed to the fox in the henhouse as
did Eisenhower. He knew their solution would take more than one generation, but not how many more for the plan to become a reality. The plan is in your face on the back of a dollar bill. The bad news is there is no reform that can stop the progress.

 

Meow. Death and taxes for most...

What a weird day yesterday. Peaceful yet,
there is tension all over the public. I saw a flea-bag beating and spitting on
a young lady’s car as she sat there in it. Then elsewhere, another young woman
in tears was leaning on her car with a young man pacing 12 feet away. People are
like their heads are going to explode from one major crisis in the news after
another, not to mention the moment of their own  personal and immediate crisis. Now their welfare
checks and SSI might not come in and are they freaking out. They have no idea
of any other impact should that actually happen; should we fail. Our
government’s security does not look that secure and the fabric of society is
falling apart from the tension.

Natural disasters are well, natural but the man-made ones are something else and I ask myself, “Kitty, why is all this going on? Why are bad things escalating? Why the tension? Why so sad?”

Time for a diversion and a smile on my face.
Maybe I’ll get tickets for that alien invasion movie with cowboys. I like cowboy
movies and I don’t know if I can handle a Smurf invasion at his time. Hey- I just
got an epiphany: What if I and a couple zillion people disappear and it is
explained away by saying that aliens did it? That is a good one! Who will save
our planet? Who's the cowboy?

Note to myself: Drop the kiddies to see the Smurf invasion and then
really freak them out with the Cowboy movie after lunch. Make sure they get
their espressos at lunch. Do it in 3D for the full effect.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jul 30, 2011

"...humans and not deititys and face the music..."

Deititys... hmmm... Are those the breasts of goddesses or what? 

I knew you would like that. Good one. Turn-around is fair play, but only when you stick to the facts.

 

"...too bad we outlawed his behavior and abolished slavery..."
 

We? We? You're a democrat, hello? You guys owned the slaves!

It was the Republicans under Lincoln who freed them!

Wake up, numbnuts!

hello back. Numb nuts is really two words, but I get your drift. Strokes do have a way muddling thoughts and words. Now as for my slaves,… they are all dust mites but don’t trust a word they say. they would be mothing without their keepers.

I don’t get how the only owners of slaves were democrats since the Republican party was
first framed/born in Ripon Wisconsin in 1854: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripon,_Wisconsin

Are you saying all of the Confederate states subjects were DEMOCRATS? Does the South know that now because it is
time for the south to rise again and vote. Someone needs to find their roots.
Are you a descendent of Jefferson and how well do you dance?

It sounds good that Dems had all the slaves but if we only have two parties
and the ‘Pubs' started in a NO-slave state in 1854, then the rest of the country
had to be Dems before that. That includes the deep south who had slaves. You
cannot distinguish republicans as never having slaves unless you are a Northerner,
then it fits. I really doubt the deep south were aligned with the republicans
and in any event they should all be Democrats having had slaves. Why are they
Republicans now?

Not far from Ripon WI is a cultural POI in the city of Waupun. How fitting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_Trail

"'W' cut taxes for a few, not all and threw us into debt..."

The bottom 50% of the income scale in this
country pay 0 taxes. None, nada, zip, zero, zilch.

How do you propose we cut taxes for them, cat
lady? 
 

It is Ms. Cat lady to you, stumpy.

You may have a point there but I am going to approach your question like the point
is still the one that defines the top of your little disproportionate head:

I am not for cutting taxes. How’s that for an answer? Tax everyone six ways to Sunday,
and then tax them some more. How do you propose we pay our debt, -take out
another credit card loan?

Why don’t we tax heavy now (like everything we own) so we can still have fireworks on the fourth every year? The dept is non-partisan and everyone owns
it therefore, no matter how much it hurts, we should eat our peas,… take off the Band-Aid. ALL of US.

Or, we let the bankers fix it all for us. They have a plan.
Thomas Jefferson said the following from the link below.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive
the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the
banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson (Attributed)

3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

http://www.worldcrisisnewswatch.com/2011/06/bilderberg-2011-rockefeller-world-order.html

Take the issuing power from private banks and restore it to the people? If the banks cannot be private, how can the people control and regulate them in issuing currency? Sounds like a call for MORE Government from Mr. “less is more government”. That quote is pure political doubletalk. Could it be the ‘private banks’ then were satellite branches with the home office overseas and returning them to the people would free the people of foreign influence and economic tampering?  jes.

 

The quote is not a warning as much as it is the outline of
what he knew was to be implemented. Too little too late for Jefferson to change
his stripes. In the vacuum of private banks, what would you have? A nationalist
or federal Bank? A Consolidated Bank of all banks like the mother of? Would I
be stepping out a bit too far to use the words, World Bank? He was involved in
the structure and design of a plan by courting the bankers of Europe (not
in GB, and like Franklin before him, in France) 1784-1789. Franklin opened the
door and Jefferson walked right in. What jerks. Both did regret their involvement in
later years and did speak well of the virtues of freedom which they had been
oppressors of by way of the thirteen European bankers who helped us get our
supposed freedom. Jefferson was to be another Franklin and his swelling quotes
and renascence  man lifestyle shows it.

 I really think they admired freedom but from a distance because few could see all
the cards on the table – there was an illusion of freedom because a master plan
was evolving at the hands of an organization that had no boarders and was very
well protected in the success of their moves: SECRECY. In private, they may
have dreamed of freedom’s potential-
having seen the seditious inroads of tyranny they helped pave. Masons suck
because we never had sovereignty with their influence. Look at all the stupid
geometry of the streets of D.C., they made their mark like a predator marks a
tree in ownership of dominion. We don’t need another union working behind the
scenes influencing our economics or form of government.

Eisenhower quoted a highly decorated man of WW1 who
was the impetus behind the military industrial complex comment, compliments of
two writers. Too little, too late. The
shill for the cold war was too late because the Eisenhower Doctrine greased the MIC. He was a fox guarding the henhouse:
the COLD WAR MIC was the result of the Eisenhower Doctrine. ‘Oh look, there is
a wolf and your hair is on fire, we will protect you. Duck and hide.

Most do not know the origins of the Soviet Union; who designed its formation, funded its leaders, why, and,… that it was a designed conflict. How convenient for the MIC and the merchants. The fall of the Soviet Union was an event to be the beginning of our disarmament. It will be our turn in the barrel. We cannot survive on war economy no more than the USSR could. Bankers without borders know that.

Remember the bumper sticker that said, ”what if they held a war and no one showed up?” Wars are not accidents, hot or cold.
Our independence war did not just happen for all the reasons you think or were
taught. Later, a Czar was rubbed out because Russia opposed the European
bankers who eventually had him and all his family killed. A Russian Czar sent
his navy to help the North during our Civil war while the European bankers
wanted to win in the south. Who do you think grub-staked Lenin?

http://libertyinexile.com/tag/military-industrial-complex/

There is a plan and a solution to the problem by the same ones that orchestrated the chaos. It is an old plan that endures
generations. In hindsight, we see Jefferson was not prophetic, he was just being honest about what he knew and he pointed to the fox in the henhouse as
did Eisenhower. He knew their solution would take more than one generation, but not how many more for the plan to become a reality. The plan is in your face on the back of a dollar bill. The bad news is there is no reform that can stop the progress.

 

Meow. Death and taxes for most...

What a weird day yesterday. Peaceful yet,
there is tension all over the public. I saw a flea-bag beating and spitting on
a young lady’s car as she sat there in it. Then elsewhere, another young woman
in tears was leaning on her car with a young man pacing 12 feet away. People are
like their heads are going to explode from one major crisis in the news after
another, not to mention the moment of their own  personal and immediate crisis. Now their welfare
checks and SSI might not come in and are they freaking out. They have no idea
of any other impact should that actually happen; should we fail. Our
government’s security does not look that secure and the fabric of society is
falling apart from the tension.

Natural disasters are well, natural but the man-made ones are something else and I ask myself, “Kitty, why is all this going on? Why are bad things escalating? Why the tension? Why so sad?”

Time for a diversion and a smile on my face.
Maybe I’ll get tickets for that alien invasion movie with cowboys. I like cowboy
movies and I don’t know if I can handle a Smurf invasion at his time. Hey- I just
got an epiphany: What if I and a couple zillion people disappear and it is
explained away by saying that aliens did it? That is a good one! Who will save
our planet? Who's the cowboy?

Note to myself: Drop the kiddies to see the Smurf invasion and then
really freak them out with the Cowboy movie after lunch. Make sure they get
their espressos at lunch. Do it in 3D for the full effect.

Numbnuts is two words? I'll assume fatass is too then. Remind me not to call you that either, fatass

Do you really want to go down that road with your proficiency levels in the English language and your, shall we say, your unique way of spelling the words?

I wouldn't if I were you.

 

First though, let's do away with the "creep" factor.

You intimated to me privately when you first got here that you were of a certain gender and now you purport to be of another.

Sup wit dat?

I'm already dealing with a couple pervs and I don't mind at all but I think knowing what you are would assist me in seeing things from your perspective and understanding the machinations and proclivities that bring you to your current state of being so unbalanced and, and, and... well... wacky.

 

Oh, and for the love of God, please don't do another one of your Unabomber type manifestos again just to answer the question. Save all your copy and paste talents for HuffandPuffington or somebody who might enjoy wading through it because I don't even bother. If there's one thing you libs have in common it's repeating yourselves over and over and over. Bush lied, people died. Where's the WMD'sI did not have sex with that woman! Please. Please? 

Thanks ever so much.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jul 30, 2011

Numbnuts is two words? I'll assume fatass is too then. Remind me not to call you that either, fatass

Do you really want to go down that road with your proficiency levels in the English language and your, shall we say, your unique way of spelling the words?

I wouldn't if I were you.

 

First though, let's do away with the "creep" factor.

You intimated to me privately when you first got here that you were of a certain gender and now you purport to be of another.

Sup wit dat?

I'm already dealing with a couple pervs and I don't mind at all but I think knowing what you are would assist me in seeing things from your perspective and understanding the machinations and proclivities that bring you to your current state of being so unbalanced and, and, and... well... wacky.

 

Oh, and for the love of God, please don't do another one of your Unabomber type manifestos again just to answer the question. Save all your copy and paste talents for HuffandPuffington or somebody who might enjoy wading through it because I don't even bother. If there's one thing you libs have in common it's repeating yourselves over and over and over. Bush lied, people died. Where's the WMD'sI did not have sex with that woman! Please. Please? 

Thanks ever so much.

Well you have successfully side stepped the tough stuff andwent back to questioning my character.

First the TEAs call themselves tea baggers and then they
deny they are. ‘Sup with that? The creep factor is right there in your avatar
of a poet who loved young men. Jefferson raped his slave and his children by
her had a slave status, not the social freedom he was supposed to be a great pioneer
of. That is creepy. She was a teen-ager when she concieved his first born slave. Extra creepy.

The Unabomber was the product of a University study where they were encouraged to express themselves openly. In fact, that was part
the hidden agenda, the real study. Then they were repeatedly shown their filmed sessions and ridiculed on the slightest thing. Sensitive personal information was especially used to destroy the individual and that produced the twisted nature of the Unabomber. He had to repeatedly experience the
event when the trash got to him and he was embarrassed. It was a study on mind control and personal values and learned
helplessness. Your tax dollars at work. Do you have any idea who is using the information this study produced? Can you even think about the concept? It was a Harvard study. It did not end in a circular file. Ted was in a way a product like the Manchurian candidate; from mind control studies and experiments.

There is a big difference between myself and Ted K. in many, many ways. He wanted to strike back
at the ‘system’ from his learned helplessness. I could care less about the system when it comes to change or reform but I
think about it and try to expose it some.  I think it is good for a citizen to know the workings and machinations
of what is behind what they are being manipulated into believing/doing . Same for what might influence them unknowingly, especially if it is to their determent. But the problem is, that it is like that great quote in a movie, “you can’t
handle the truth”. Our fore fathers sold us out in pursuit of temporal freedoms that are enslavement.

 

 

People like being lied to. There is no reform this world can experience at man’s hand to make this a better world. People want to save the
planet, government, the economy and the world itself, but most of all themselves. It is frustrating that it is going down the tubes but it is not an
accident, it is by design. As academically brilliant a man as he was, Ted never had the hope of Christ’s return and he lost it. There are more Ted’s in today’s society, and some have violent frustration in self preservation. I do not.

You use the Avatar of a man-loving poet. Come On! You suggest I am a perv? What is wrong with Cat Woman? Try to take
shots at my character with what you can muster, my avatar is way more sexier than yours in a normal kind of way. You are not really the drunken hillbilly
your pen name and avatar represent, no matter how funny it sounds. Why would an image or one’s sex be so important when someone says something?

Hit/run/side-step. Where did you learn mind control like that? You cannot discuss a topic without reverting to belittlements to change
the focus. I can see why you talk of having ex wives. I might be a little twisted, but I don’t do mind control, I make fun of it because it is insanity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_You_Know_Is_Wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHa_dpN_kc0&feature=related

The very reason our country is in such disarray is because people are
hit and run extremists with no moral compass of basic honesty. You make a statement, are corrected with
facts and then your reply is to change focus. That is a major character flaw, Henry.
Little children stuff. Facts are meaningless because lies and emotion have replaced
them as greater VALUES. People are emotionally attached to beliefs and an
opposition to one’s belief is received as an attack on their very selves. No
fact will convince them otherwise unless they can do the meta-cognitive thing.
Who broke your clock spring? You have political frustration and it is by design
and not your own. You are a victim of manipulation. It is only a personal flaw
if you wish to ignore why. You are right there where Ted left off before he became a bomber.

You say Obama is the reason for your upset and promote that
at any chance. According to you he is the reason for all that is wrong today with
the country. The right has become the malcontent party, they passed out incentive bribes on borrowed money,
deregulated business so it can run like a wild child, reduced taxes for the greedy as another bribe, introduced new
non-bid industries and Governmental agencies to bring us more ‘freedom’ at its
expense in acts of war, not diplomacy. Government grew in social regulation, at
its own expense. As a result, we are a debtor nation. The inside
trading the days following the last presidential election did not profit
liberals. The massive bailouts did not go to liberals. The money went to
corporations. Are you one of those corporate shills who shout out Socialism when a governmental class trades on
inside information and then gets the corporation bailed out for doing so? Is there no end to the greed? The bailouts went to a privileged class who loaded
up their portfolios on inside trades when the stocks tumbled. Their reward for robbery? A government bailout.

If our government cannot keep its books and pay its debt it
will be deregulated. For such a local and international failure there is a plan
by outsiders to govern such a designed crisis. Failure to address the debt with
the urgency it requires will insure our national deregulation for a new regulation; new order. Gorbachev used
the same basic reasoning in explaining why a New World Order was necessary in light
of the USSR’s demise. War centered economies do not work. You cannot stop the
progress toward our failure. It won’t matter if right or left were right or
wrong, they will be gone komrad. Self preservation will be the focus every day in a magnitude
never known to a generation. What insurance is there we will have a presidential
election in 2012? We cannot float this debt forever and that is what the right wants to do, to keep us crippled from fixing the problem. Their paln is for us to fail as soon as it can be secured.

http://www.worldcrisisnewswatch.com/2011/06/bilderberg-2011-rockefeller-world-order.html

http://www.amerikanexpose.com/quotes1.html

Now with that, why don’t we enjoy a little civil discourse
where I say something that sounds to you like it is the greatest violation of
reality and then you turn around and do the same? You want an out to get the
focus off the inconvenient facts?
Diversion is more comfortable than facts. I learned that from you.

Try this on: Benjamin Franklin said of beer,… “beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy”.

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