Illinois Lottery hopes to sell tickets online in '3 to 4 months'

Dec 26, 2011, 10:49 pm (52 comments)

Illinois Lottery

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois Lottery Superintendent Michael Jones said Monday that he hopes the state will begin selling lottery tickets online in the next three to four months.

Officials have long wanted to take the lottery to the web, and the path was cleared Friday with the release of a U.S. Department of Justice legal opinion that supports state-regulated online gambling.

(See Ruling by Justice Dept. opens a door on online gambling, Lottery Post, Dec. 25, 2011.)

State lawmakers in 2009 approved a massive road and bridge construction program that included possibly selling lottery tickets online to help pay for it.

But while Illinois officials opined that it was already legal to do so, they were waiting for the go-ahead from the federal government.

Now, Jones says their opinion has been "vindicated." He said a meeting about how to proceed will come in the next 10 days, with lottery tickets available for sale online shortly after.

"I'm going to insist on three to four months," he said.

If Illinois starts selling online tickets soon, it would be the first state to do so.

Jones said officials will now work on how to offer the tickets on a secure website, ensure buyers are over age 18 and are Illinoisans.

At first, Jones said, they'll shoot to offer the Lotto, Mega Millions and Powerball games online.

The possibility for the state to offer lottery tickets on the web comes because of a memo the Department of Justice made public before the holiday weekend that said state-regulated online gambling — except for sports betting — could be legalized.

The idea will surely spark the ire of gambling opponents, who fought the sale of lottery tickets online from the beginning, arguing the increased accessibility of gambling could lead to addiction problems.

The push to get tickets online, as well as the move to have a private company manage the Illinois Lottery, was part of a plan to increase the games' profit margin.

In recent years, annual lottery sales have topped $2 billion, but haven't risen sharply between years. Only time will tell how much more in sales the Internet could generate.

Jones says he thinks online sales will mostly pick up when jackpots get above $100 million.

"That's when everybody gets interested," he said.

Also part of the state's big construction plan was the legalization of video gambling machines in Illinois bars, an idea that hasn't become reality yet as regulators continue to iron out the details.

And the effort to put slot machines at Arlington Park and new casinos in Lake County, Chicago and other areas remains on hold as lawmakers and Gov. Pat Quinn continue to quibble over the terms of further gambling expansion.

Daily Herald

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dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Illinois ............... center of Thuggery ! Evil Looking

YURAN's avatarYURAN

Quote: Originally posted by dpoly1 on Dec 26, 2011

Illinois ............... center of Thuggery ! Evil Looking

Al Capone would play online TypeUS Flag

s5thomps's avatars5thomps

I thought that Illinois offers a subsription service to Illinois players???  What is the advantage of offerring an online lottery service only to Illinois residents when a person can  just go down the street to a convience store and pick up their own ticket??? Just doesn't make sense to me unless it was offered to anyone over 18 anywhere accross the nation. We all know that lotto tickets are bearer instruments and if I lived in Illinois I rather have the ticket in my hand. I was recently in Illinois and picked up an advance play ticket for 15 drawings. Any person over 18 living in Illinois can do the same thing.                 

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Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by s5thomps on Dec 27, 2011

I thought that Illinois offers a subsription service to Illinois players???  What is the advantage of offerring an online lottery service only to Illinois residents when a person can  just go down the street to a convience store and pick up their own ticket??? Just doesn't make sense to me unless it was offered to anyone over 18 anywhere accross the nation. We all know that lotto tickets are bearer instruments and if I lived in Illinois I rather have the ticket in my hand. I was recently in Illinois and picked up an advance play ticket for 15 drawings. Any person over 18 living in Illinois can do the same thing.                 

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People said the same thing about shopping online.  Why bother when you can just go down the street and buy the same thing at a store? 

Just look at the UK:  they've had online sales for a few years now — available only to people who live there — and it is a very popular way to play.  Even though they can just go to a corner market and play.

JAP69's avatarJAP69

Playing a states lottery games online makes it easier for the state to track who you are and how much you have won or lost. If you are someone who cashes in a number of tickets below the tax witholding level and your losses show less than what you have won you better be filing that on your taxes.

The feds and states love tax revenue. No Pity!

They are not doing this for your convenience.

JAP69's avatarJAP69

If they are worried that someone is a heavy gambler they just might send someone knocking on your door for gambling addiction. Chair

Jester

LottoGuyBC's avatarLottoGuyBC

Quote: Originally posted by s5thomps on Dec 27, 2011

I thought that Illinois offers a subsription service to Illinois players???  What is the advantage of offerring an online lottery service only to Illinois residents when a person can  just go down the street to a convience store and pick up their own ticket??? Just doesn't make sense to me unless it was offered to anyone over 18 anywhere accross the nation. We all know that lotto tickets are bearer instruments and if I lived in Illinois I rather have the ticket in my hand. I was recently in Illinois and picked up an advance play ticket for 15 drawings. Any person over 18 living in Illinois can do the same thing.                 

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when a person can't just go down the street to a convenience store and pick up their own ticket(s)

is a reason why this would be an advantage for said person

s5thomps's avatars5thomps

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Dec 27, 2011

People said the same thing about shopping online.  Why bother when you can just go down the street and buy the same thing at a store? 

Just look at the UK:  they've had online sales for a few years now — available only to people who live there — and it is a very popular way to play.  Even though they can just go to a corner market and play.

Todd you have a valid point when it comes to shopping online but I respectfully disagree when it comes to lottery tickets. I do alot of my shopping online because you can often get better deals then going into a store and plus you don't have to put up with the hassle of dealing with big crowds, parking etc. Another advantage is you can shop at your convience at any time during the day and with going to a store you can only go during their hours of operation. Since most convience stores are 24/7 you can pick up your tickets at anytime of the day you choose and can even pick them up while grocery shopping. If a person chooses to buy tickets online that's ok by me, but if I was a Illinois resident I would choose to pick up my ticket from a retailer. "A bird in the hand beats 2 in the bush!" If that ticket is signed and in your hand their is no dispute who the owner is! Just my opinion.

s5thomps's avatars5thomps

Quote: Originally posted by LottoGuyBC on Dec 27, 2011

when a person can't just go down the street to a convenience store and pick up their own ticket(s)

is a reason why this would be an advantage for said person

 That makes sense lottoguy but usually a person can find someone to pick up their tickets for them. I am just saying what I would do. But if a person chooses to buy online than that is ok too. I am just not fond of the idea, but if the people of Illinois buy off on it and it becomes successful than so be it.

mjwinsmith's avatarmjwinsmith

Quote: Originally posted by LottoGuyBC on Dec 27, 2011

when a person can't just go down the street to a convenience store and pick up their own ticket(s)

is a reason why this would be an advantage for said person

I was thinking the same thing, what about if you got snowed in and could'nt get to the store, you now have the option to dail it in, LOL.

 -Michael

temptustoo's avatartemptustoo

Oh a wonderful idea now that the state needs more money...

jaysnelson

Personally, I like it. And since I'm living in IL, I'm going to use online PB/MM ticketing if it's available.

Sure, I can go to the 7-11 or wherever and pick up my ticket....even for 15 draws or whatever, but it's a convenience like anything else. You guys remember it gets f'n cold here, right? Who wants to scrape the windows to run to the gas station just for a ticket?

Got the Des Plaines Casino, Bar poker machines (maybe), Arlington Park and other horse tracks salivating over slots, an all-but-inevitable downtown Chicago casino... IL is going pro-gambling, so why not online too?

-J

LottoGuyBC's avatarLottoGuyBC

Quote: Originally posted by jaysnelson on Dec 27, 2011

Personally, I like it. And since I'm living in IL, I'm going to use online PB/MM ticketing if it's available.

Sure, I can go to the 7-11 or wherever and pick up my ticket....even for 15 draws or whatever, but it's a convenience like anything else. You guys remember it gets f'n cold here, right? Who wants to scrape the windows to run to the gas station just for a ticket?

Got the Des Plaines Casino, Bar poker machines (maybe), Arlington Park and other horse tracks salivating over slots, an all-but-inevitable downtown Chicago casino... IL is going pro-gambling, so why not online too?

-J

  Thud

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

This is off subject, but ................ I am tired of pumping out my basement. It is especially bad today. no more rain. A big win tonite would help!

Jester

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

The ticket is signed and safe !

Dance

faber98

but what if you want to avoid cashing it to cheat on tax obligation on lower tier prizes. you won't be able to if you buy it online. this is a set-up to increase tax revenue, no other reason. they know people pay unemployed or senior citizens to cash tickets but cannot prove it with a convenience store hard ticket. wake up.

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

The Government screws us ........... we screw the Government ....................... repeat daily!

Shifty

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Honesty is the best policy.

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 27, 2011

Honesty is the best policy.

Don't tell me .............. tell the Politicians ! Thumbs Up

Boney526's avatarBoney526

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 27, 2011

Honesty is the best policy.

IDK who your replying to - but I think a widespread tax evasion by the public is actually more moral than the widespread theft of private citizens money through legalized theft (AKA: Taxes)  -  If you were referring to people evading taxes on lower level prizes.  I mean think about it - if you beat the long odds and actually pull in more money over a year playing the lottery - should Uncle Sam get a cut?  Hellllllll no.

 

Sure, honesty is the best policy.  But by that same logic, it would have been best to just pay the Stamp Act instead of fight against it back in the 1700s.

 

Just some food for thought.

LottoLin

Why worry about it unless you live in NJ, MD, or New York, you'll never hit the Jackpot in either Mega-Millions or PowerBall, it seems both lotteries are fixed so that only those living in the Northeastern part of the country or California will win a Jackpot.

They use to have where you could down load the PowerBall winning numbers since it started it was archived and it gave the amounts and the winning states and the amounts won. They did away with that because you could see that it was way lop sided with the NE states winning more JackPots some after joining the games way after the states that were part of the original states that initiated the games.

  It's getting to the point where it's just not worth playing where all your doing is building up the Pots for someone where they either are kids of millionaires winning or business owners that make more than most people do in their life time.  I've been playing since the beginning of both Mega-Millions and PowerBall and that included when Mega-millions was the Big Game and Power-Ball went through a few name changes.

I know there are many out there that feel the same way, I'm now whining or complaining just stating a fact. But as they say you can't fight city hall, or the lottery commision they'll just tell you if you don't like it don't play.

Good Luck to all. I think I'm done with both for now, I'll save some cash.

Lotto Lin

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Dec 28, 2011

IDK who your replying to - but I think a widespread tax evasion by the public is actually more moral than the widespread theft of private citizens money through legalized theft (AKA: Taxes)  -  If you were referring to people evading taxes on lower level prizes.  I mean think about it - if you beat the long odds and actually pull in more money over a year playing the lottery - should Uncle Sam get a cut?  Hellllllll no.

 

Sure, honesty is the best policy.  But by that same logic, it would have been best to just pay the Stamp Act instead of fight against it back in the 1700s.

 

Just some food for thought.

You're preaching to the choir, but...

Men were men back in those days. Now, half the population is limp-wristed liberals and democrats and other assorted parasites and losers who love taxes (on others) and the idea of socialism and all of its failed policies. They want a nanny state to take care of them and that requires massive taxes on working people to feed and support the parasites and slackers who won't work. 

The champion of these parasites and lazy slackers is in power now and will not hesitate to exact the utmost farthing from the producers to keep his legions of system-scammers well fed, housed and otherwise placated in return for their votes.

I take exception to the notion that myself not paying my assessed taxes would accomplish anything other than a stay in prison in the current environment.

And as bad as the current environment is, if the current President gets a second term, we may one day refer to this period of time as the "good old days".

I very much doubt you'll ever see your "widespread tax evasion" until the current President finishes his task of dismantling our Republic.

And his new Police State will not respond kindly.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 28, 2011

You're preaching to the choir, but...

Men were men back in those days. Now, half the population is limp-wristed liberals and democrats and other assorted parasites and losers who love taxes (on others) and the idea of socialism and all of its failed policies. They want a nanny state to take care of them and that requires massive taxes on working people to feed and support the parasites and slackers who won't work. 

The champion of these parasites and lazy slackers is in power now and will not hesitate to exact the utmost farthing from the producers to keep his legions of system-scammers well fed, housed and otherwise placated in return for their votes.

I take exception to the notion that myself not paying my assessed taxes would accomplish anything other than a stay in prison in the current environment.

And as bad as the current environment is, if the current President gets a second term, we may one day refer to this period of time as the "good old days".

I very much doubt you'll ever see your "widespread tax evasion" until the current President finishes his task of dismantling our Republic.

And his new Police State will not respond kindly.

No NoRidge, you and others need to stop trying to scare people ,people like yourself said the same thing when they was trying to integrate the school system. Where George Wallace stood in the door with his goos. I must say the world haven't ended, although many of you in your mind are saying those were the good old days.Stop all this pandering is't unbecoming of your great wisdom.Thinking of...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Dec 28, 2011

No NoRidge, you and others need to stop trying to scare people ,people like yourself said the same thing when they was trying to integrate the school system. Where George Wallace stood in the door with his goos. I must say the world haven't ended, although many of you in your mind are saying those were the good old days.Stop all this pandering is't unbecoming of your great wisdom.Thinking of...

Democrat George Wallace and his goons are long gone, Louise. Today's goons are those willing to trample and kill each other over a pair of shoes that say "Jordan" on them. Let's keep things in perspective.

If you choose to see life and all it's nuances through a prism of racial preoccupation and racially prejudicial bias, your optics are going to be skewed.

You attribute and assign things to me that I would never countenance simply because I'm from the South. That's prejudice, Louise.

You chose to remain with and trust the party that enslaved your ancestors. And how have you fared?

Don't blame me for the miseries you embrace.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 28, 2011

Democrat George Wallace and his goons are long gone, Louise. Today's goons are those willing to trample and kill each other over a pair of shoes that say "Jordan" on them. Let's keep things in perspective.

If you choose to see life and all it's nuances through a prism of racial preoccupation and racially prejudicial bias, your optics are going to be skewed.

You attribute and assign things to me that I would never countenance simply because I'm from the South. That's prejudice, Louise.

You chose to remain with and trust the party that enslaved your ancestors. And how have you fared?

Don't blame me for the miseries you embrace.

Ridge , I don't know how racially motivate you are but you make comments that put down people who try who try to help the poor . There will always be the poor among us according to the bible.So in the land of milk and honey. There should be help for the poor.There will alway be goons like reverse(George Wallace) looking for people to reign over.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Lotto Lin,

"Why worry about it unless you live in NJ, MD, or New York, you'll never hit the Jackpot in either Mega-Millions or PowerBall, it seems both lotteries are fixed so that only those living in the Northeastern part of the country or California will win a Jackpot."

NJ, NY, MD or CA?

What about "the Miracle Mile" in Fond du Lac?

And then there's the "Miracle Mile" in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.

Have you heard about the "Miracle Mile"? The Miracle Mile is a small stretch on Main Street in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, USA that sells a disproportionate amount of winning lotto tickets. The luckiest store on Main Street in Fond du Lac is Ma & Pa's Convenience store. That store is the luckiest store in the country; it has sold more winning tickets than any other store, with the biggest being a $208.6 million Powerball win that was won by a group of employees at Sargento cheese plant in August of 2006.

http://lotterywinnerbios.blogspot.com/2010/03/latest-miracle-mile-lottery-winner-ma.html

Just do a search for Fond du Lac and lottery and see what you find.

http://www.biglotterywinners.com/2010/03/latest-miracle-mile-lottery-winner-ma.html

Simba774

Screw Illinois lottery. No has won the MM here since 05 and the PB only had one winner and it was a small jackpot.

faber98

Quote: Originally posted by Simba774 on Dec 28, 2011

Screw Illinois lottery. No has won the MM here since 05 and the PB only had one winner and it was a small jackpot.

anyone who thinks the lottery is fixed so that only certain regions of the country win it (some clown said the northeast) is seriously misguided. perhaps more people play it in the northeast than in the corn belt or in ridgerunners moonshine counties.

Boney526's avatarBoney526

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 28, 2011

You're preaching to the choir, but...

Men were men back in those days. Now, half the population is limp-wristed liberals and democrats and other assorted parasites and losers who love taxes (on others) and the idea of socialism and all of its failed policies. They want a nanny state to take care of them and that requires massive taxes on working people to feed and support the parasites and slackers who won't work. 

The champion of these parasites and lazy slackers is in power now and will not hesitate to exact the utmost farthing from the producers to keep his legions of system-scammers well fed, housed and otherwise placated in return for their votes.

I take exception to the notion that myself not paying my assessed taxes would accomplish anything other than a stay in prison in the current environment.

And as bad as the current environment is, if the current President gets a second term, we may one day refer to this period of time as the "good old days".

I very much doubt you'll ever see your "widespread tax evasion" until the current President finishes his task of dismantling our Republic.

And his new Police State will not respond kindly.

Trust me, I know a lot about welfarism, at least in my little corner of Central NJ.  Always present - and always making people dependent.  The progressives will always snark at that idea - but that's because they don't care enough to spend some time working with the poor they want to "help" with a free check every week.  On the other hand, I work directly with the poor - and I feel as if the welfarism we provide keeps them dependent, and the only thing that's sadder is when they teach their children to be lazy and to survive off of other people's kindness.  On the other hand - people in poverty who work hard almost always see their situations bettered, and their kids have great work ethics, and will make it far.

 

By widespread tax evasion - and I should have been way more specific - I meant the fact that nobody really sits their with a journal of every dollar spent and won in the Lottery throughout the year - because that's ridiculous.  The IRS says you should - and that if you end up ahead you owe them money.  Almost every American evades some small amount of taxes, simply by not recording EVERY event that could make them anything that the IRS considers income.

 

So, I mean that, it's completely fine, and moral to refuse to record every gambling event you partake in, and chances are nobodies going to throw you in jail for it.  If they DO throw you in jail for it - though - that's not fine - that's just ridiculous.

 

On a side note - the Definition of Liberal is somebody who believes in individual freedom and small government (as in classical liberalism) and the definition of Conservative is regarding tradition and preferring small, gradual change to abrupt changes.  We really, really misuse the words today.  By the real definitions, I am a Liberal Conservative, while the Democrats and most Republicans are Progressives and Socialists.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Well said, Boney526. Welfare agencies must have welfare people to administer to so it's a weird way of job security....kind of like the adage about a chicken is an egg's way of making another egg.

Another definition of a conservative is simply a liberal who's been mugged!

Phantasm

I've been dying to play lottery online.  People in other countries laugh at us Americans.  They are free to bet online, on pretty much anything, and can even play lotto via text messaging even in the Third World.

I live in California, which has the techbed of Silicon Valley, yet I'm left with primitive old-fashioned paper playslips. 

The corner store lotto terminals always seem to be out of order 1 out of 10 trips at least.  Also lottery is not a good mix with busier markets.  Sometimes the line builds up with people paying for gas, carwashes, beer, and having a cashier scan 4playslips can be a hassle and really hold up the line especially if the <snip> lottery terminals are screwy.  Many times I tell the cashier screw it.  Some people also spend more than they intended, as they are in line waiting to play, pickup candy, soda or whatever.

This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

Simba774

Quote: Originally posted by faber98 on Dec 28, 2011

anyone who thinks the lottery is fixed so that only certain regions of the country win it (some clown said the northeast) is seriously misguided. perhaps more people play it in the northeast than in the corn belt or in ridgerunners moonshine counties.

Those corn belt and moonshine counties win a lot, too.  I Never said it was rigged, but the lottery sure loves NY, California and hick towns. LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Phantasm on Dec 29, 2011

I've been dying to play lottery online.  People in other countries laugh at us Americans.  They are free to bet online, on pretty much anything, and can even play lotto via text messaging even in the Third World.

I live in California, which has the techbed of Silicon Valley, yet I'm left with primitive old-fashioned paper playslips. 

The corner store lotto terminals always seem to be out of order 1 out of 10 trips at least.  Also lottery is not a good mix with busier markets.  Sometimes the line builds up with people paying for gas, carwashes, beer, and having a cashier scan 4playslips can be a hassle and really hold up the line especially if the <snip> lottery terminals are screwy.  Many times I tell the cashier screw it.  Some people also spend more than they intended, as they are in line waiting to play, pickup candy, soda or whatever.

This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

Both sides can have drawbacks.

I had a nightmare that I got the winning numbers for the jackpot playing online and when I asked about cashing in I got an email from the Lottery Director, Mr Patel, saying that there was some mistake and I didn't win anything. Then he asked if I wanted to buy a Slushee.

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Just gotta say ............ Zoo York has 3 Mega Millions & 2 Powerball wins in 2011 ............... yikes !!!!!!!!!!  Scared

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 29, 2011

Both sides can have drawbacks.

I had a nightmare that I got the winning numbers for the jackpot playing online and when I asked about cashing in I got an email from the Lottery Director, Mr Patel, saying that there was some mistake and I didn't win anything. Then he asked if I wanted to buy a Slushee.

HaHaHaHaAAAAAAAAAAAhHaHaHa!!

LottoGuyBC's avatarLottoGuyBC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 29, 2011

Both sides can have drawbacks.

I had a nightmare that I got the winning numbers for the jackpot playing online and when I asked about cashing in I got an email from the Lottery Director, Mr Patel, saying that there was some mistake and I didn't win anything. Then he asked if I wanted to buy a Slushee.

Thud

spy153's avatarspy153

Well I agree with LottoLin, but I'm such an addict I can't stop playing. (Something inside still says I will win someday soon....like all addicts do.)  I keep track of such things and have noticed where the bulk of the money goes. Was wondering if anyone else had noticed too. That said, I would love it if KY would allow some online gambling so I could buy my lottery tickets online for Powerball.  I do not like having to go out into the freezing rain and snow during the winter just to get my tickets. I also do not care for the long lines when the jackpots go big. While that can get exciting at times, I can skip it just the same.  I do not understand how it works exactly., though. Do you just print out your tickets from your computer? How would they verify that the ticket is authentic?

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Dec 28, 2011

IDK who your replying to - but I think a widespread tax evasion by the public is actually more moral than the widespread theft of private citizens money through legalized theft (AKA: Taxes)  -  If you were referring to people evading taxes on lower level prizes.  I mean think about it - if you beat the long odds and actually pull in more money over a year playing the lottery - should Uncle Sam get a cut?  Hellllllll no.

 

Sure, honesty is the best policy.  But by that same logic, it would have been best to just pay the Stamp Act instead of fight against it back in the 1700s.

 

Just some food for thought.

I Agree!

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louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Boney526 on Dec 28, 2011

Trust me, I know a lot about welfarism, at least in my little corner of Central NJ.  Always present - and always making people dependent.  The progressives will always snark at that idea - but that's because they don't care enough to spend some time working with the poor they want to "help" with a free check every week.  On the other hand, I work directly with the poor - and I feel as if the welfarism we provide keeps them dependent, and the only thing that's sadder is when they teach their children to be lazy and to survive off of other people's kindness.  On the other hand - people in poverty who work hard almost always see their situations bettered, and their kids have great work ethics, and will make it far.

 

By widespread tax evasion - and I should have been way more specific - I meant the fact that nobody really sits their with a journal of every dollar spent and won in the Lottery throughout the year - because that's ridiculous.  The IRS says you should - and that if you end up ahead you owe them money.  Almost every American evades some small amount of taxes, simply by not recording EVERY event that could make them anything that the IRS considers income.

 

So, I mean that, it's completely fine, and moral to refuse to record every gambling event you partake in, and chances are nobodies going to throw you in jail for it.  If they DO throw you in jail for it - though - that's not fine - that's just ridiculous.

 

On a side note - the Definition of Liberal is somebody who believes in individual freedom and small government (as in classical liberalism) and the definition of Conservative is regarding tradition and preferring small, gradual change to abrupt changes.  We really, really misuse the words today.  By the real definitions, I am a Liberal Conservative, while the Democrats and most Republicans are Progressives and Socialists.

Wow! ,someone actually define Liberal as it should be viewed, I too stand by some of my parents principles, but I do like progressives changes.Approve

ressuccess's avatarressuccess

Why did Illinois want to sell tickets online for?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Dec 30, 2011

Wow! ,someone actually define Liberal as it should be viewed, I too stand by some of my parents principles, but I do like progressives changes.Approve

The meanings of words change, Louise.

It's a shame they twisted and perverted the meaning of the word liberal to define somebody who hates our country, our flag and everything it stands for.

Progressive didn't used to mean Anti-American either. But it does now. If somebody says they're progressive, you know they hate America and blame it for everything wrong in the world today.

Cryin' shame.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by ressuccess on Dec 30, 2011

Why did Illinois want to sell tickets online for?

For the lottery.

LottoGuyBC's avatarLottoGuyBC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 30, 2011

For the lottery.

I thought it was to get to the other side What?

Boney526's avatarBoney526

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 30, 2011

The meanings of words change, Louise.

It's a shame they twisted and perverted the meaning of the word liberal to define somebody who hates our country, our flag and everything it stands for.

Progressive didn't used to mean Anti-American either. But it does now. If somebody says they're progressive, you know they hate America and blame it for everything wrong in the world today.

Cryin' shame.

True enough.  I still prefer to call myself a liberal - but I usually just use the word Libertarian, since in modern politics it more accurately defines my views.  Nowadays - though - I use the words "Progressive" (should be regressive) and "Social Conservative" since that tends to more generally define the Democrats and Republicans.  It's all really become a matter of whether you hate lots of welfare or lots of warfare more.  What most people don't realize is that both major Political parties are really for BOTH of those.

 

As for me I, and I'd imagine most Americans who've read enough about economics, (from multiple perspectives - not just Keynesian style or some other specific economist's style) think that we need less of ALL government spending, from Defense (Offense, really) and Welfare to the DOE to the EPA.  It's all gone way too far.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by LottoGuyBC on Dec 30, 2011

I thought it was to get to the other side What?

What other side, what does this all mean ,Roll Eyeswill someone please! tell me.

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Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Dec 30, 2011

What other side, what does this all mean ,Roll Eyeswill someone please! tell me.

Sound like you fixin' to take a walk on the wild side, Louise.

LottoGuyBC's avatarLottoGuyBC

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Dec 30, 2011

What other side, what does this all mean ,Roll Eyeswill someone please! tell me.

the side that's not on this side Hiding Behind Computer

DAMDAM's avatarDAMDAM

I hope it gets approve!!!!!!!!!!!   YEAHHHHHHH

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If this is true then anybody in Ill. can purchase a ticket on line that meet the requirements. If  they really wanted to increase profit expand it to people outside of Ill. as well . On- Line.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by LottoGuyBC on Dec 31, 2011

the side that's not on this side Hiding Behind Computer

Come on LGBC, what did you mean by the other of what! spell it out please!Thinking of...

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 30, 2011

Sound like you fixin' to take a walk on the wild side, Louise.

No! Rdgrnr out the gutta, just want a simple answer.Embarassed

LottoGuyBC's avatarLottoGuyBC

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Dec 31, 2011

Come on LGBC, what did you mean by the other of what! spell it out please!Thinking of...

the other side Hiding Behind Computer

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