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Jan 6, 2012, 12:29 am

I have looked at the Pick 3 and pick 4 results over the last two years and some results cause me to wonder how truly random the lottery is. Are numbers manipulated?

For starters, take a close look at the pick 4 below of 9004 (evening 1/5/2012) and 5811 (middday 1/5/2012). Also take a look at 4314 of 1/3/2012 evening and 3214 of 1/4/2012 middday. Random events are not this numerically ordered

Date	Game	Numbers
1/5/2012	Evening Pick 4	9-0-0-4
1/5/2012	Midday Pick 4	5-8-1-1
1/4/2012	Evening Pick 4	6-4-7-1
1/4/2012	Midday Pick 4	3-2-1-4
1/3/2012	Evening Pick 4	4-3-1-4
1/3/2012	Midday Pick 4	3-3-4-7
1/2/2012	Evening Pick 4	2-8-2-1
1/2/2012	Midday Pick 4	3-0-6-0
1/1/2012	Evening Pick 4	6-4-1-6
1/1/2012	Midday Pick 4	1-5-3-7
12/31/2011	Evening Pick 4	8-1-9-4
12/31/2011	Midday Pick 4	9-0-4-2
12/30/2011	Evening Pick 4	6-1-0-2
12/30/2011	Midday Pick 4	9-1-2-8
12/29/2011	Evening Pick 4	2-9-4-2
12/29/2011	Midday Pick 4	0-1-6-7

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Jan 6, 2012, 12:37 am

Now take a look at Pick 3 below. 560 and 604 would seem not to obey the random number script. I will cite more examples of odd occurences

1/5/2012	Evening Pick 3	6-0-4
1/5/2012	Midday Pick 3	5-6-0

Date	Game	Numbers
1/5/2012	Evening Pick 3	6-0-4
1/5/2012	Midday Pick 3	5-6-0
1/4/2012	Evening Pick 3	7-9-7
1/4/2012	Midday Pick 3	7-8-0
1/3/2012	Evening Pick 3	8-7-7
1/3/2012	Midday Pick 3	2-8-5
1/2/2012	Evening Pick 3	7-5-5
1/2/2012	Midday Pick 3	3-2-2
1/1/2012	Evening Pick 3	8-0-0
1/1/2012	Midday Pick 3	5-6-9
12/31/2011	Evening Pick 3	4-4-8
12/31/2011	Midday Pick 3	1-7-8
12/30/2011	Evening Pick 3	4-7-6
12/30/2011	Midday Pick 3	6-0-6
12/29/2011	Evening Pick 3	3-0-7
12/29/2011	Midday Pick 3	8-2-1

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Jan 6, 2012, 12:52 am

Take a look at this combo 821. Subtract 1 from 8, and 1, then add 1 to 2 . Get 703 and scramble. This does not seem like a random number set

12/29/2011
Evening Pick 3
3-0-7

12/29/2011
Midday Pick 3
8-2-1
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Jan 6, 2012, 11:00 am

hurley1333,

You seem to be seeing something that isn't there.

The drawings are broadcast on WGN-TV (within the state, some of us far from Chicago don't always get them though). It's ping pong balls, not a RNG.

Think of a Pick 3 as three columns of the numbers 0 throuh 9. Not that far fetched for any digit or digits to repeat with a 10 number field to draw from.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jan 6, 2012, 8:00 pm

hurley1333,

What you have done is to notice a pattern/sequence. As you study and track numbers you will see things like this all the time. It is not unusual at all. The best thing to do is to remember it and notice when it happens again. Maybe with the same number or maybe with a different number. Look for numbers in each position that alternate, or appear consecutively, or add or subtract from each other. 7,5,3. 6,4,8. 9,6,3. 0,4,8 alternate. 4,3,2. 5,3,4. 6,5,7.consecutive. 8=5-3 subtract. 2+3=5 add.

Also, certain numbers seem to follow each other, the 0,3,6 aka, the old man's zero for example. Search the old man's zero for the details. I have also found that 5&7 together bring 9,0,or 99,00 within 2 days in Md. I have also found that 4&9 together usually bring a 7 after within 2 days, but if the 7 comes before the 4,9 it will not come after it. Do a search on followers for more examples. Good Luck!!!
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Jan 6, 2012, 8:55 pm

Quote: Originally posted by hurley1333 on Jan 6, 2012
Take a look at this combo 821. Subtract 1 from 8, and 1, then add 1 to 2 . Get 703 and scramble. This does not seem like a random number set

12/29/2011
Evening Pick 3
3-0-7

12/29/2011
Midday Pick 3
8-2-1

This sounds like a Pick 3 version of an Oakland Raiders flea-flicekr play.

You could look at any two numbers and come up with some kind of zig zag to get to the second one, this one sounds like quite a reach.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jan 6, 2012, 9:21 pm

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Jan 6, 2012
hurley1333,

What you have done is to notice a pattern/sequence. As you study and track numbers you will see things like this all the time. It is not unusual at all. The best thing to do is to remember it and notice when it happens again. Maybe with the same number or maybe with a different number. Look for numbers in each position that alternate, or appear consecutively, or add or subtract from each other. 7,5,3. 6,4,8. 9,6,3. 0,4,8 alternate. 4,3,2. 5,3,4. 6,5,7.consecutive. 8=5-3 subtract. 2+3=5 add.

Also, certain numbers seem to follow each other, the 0,3,6 aka, the old man's zero for example. Search the old man's zero for the details. I have also found that 5&7 together bring 9,0,or 99,00 within 2 days in Md. I have also found that 4&9 together usually bring a 7 after within 2 days, but if the 7 comes before the 4,9 it will not come after it. Do a search on followers for more examples. Good Luck!!!

HURLEY 1333,

U have avery good point here & there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!!

what difference does it make if D lottery is RIGGED r NOT!!

as long as we play & pay 2 play D lottery,does it MATTER

NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooBECAUSE WE HAVE APPROVED D GAME $$$$

what is the POINT????????????????????

whattahaaa gona DO??>>STOP PLAY'ng
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Jan 6, 2012, 10:30 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jan 6, 2012
This sounds like a Pick 3 version of an Oakland Raiders flea-flicekr play.

You could look at any two numbers and come up with some kind of zig zag to get to the second one, this one sounds like quite a reach.

Not a reach at all. In fact it is a perfect example of what I said about patterns / sequences. Here's how.

821 12/29/11

730 12/29/11

659 1/1/12 You have the 876 in sequence, also the 109. The 2+3= the 5.

Another example is the Md.eve numbers for the past 3 nights.

383 1/4/12

209 1/5/12

195 1/6/12 These are the straight draws. You have the 321 in sequence, also the 809. The 395 are also in sequence

downward, but alternating. 3 1 9 7 5. Result, I hit for $1 straight, $1 straight 50/50.
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Jan 7, 2012, 12:58 am

gwusrston,

You are describing three draws which when written down produce numbers vertically. (Try that every fourth draw and see how bad you get stuck).

On what planet does that have anything remotely related to this, posted bu hurley1333:

Take a look at this combo 821. Subtract 1 from 8, and 1, then add 1 to 2 . Get 703 and scramble. This does not seem like a random number set

12/29/2011
Evening Pick 3
3-0-7

12/29/2011
Midday Pick 3

8-2-1

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
grwurston

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Jan 7, 2012, 2:10 am

Coin Toss,

It looks to me like hurley1333 did a one up, one down workout and the number came in and he was wondering if it was random or not. His 2 draws are in sequence when boxed. I often do 3 draws and get hits, (so I have no reason to go with 4 draws).

Often times things like this cause people to question the randomness of the lottery and I have too, when I see the same digit hit in the same position for 6 or 7 days in a row.

My point was that there are patterns to the numbers if you look for them. If one sees a pattern does the drawing suddenly become not random? If you're not going to look for patterns, trends, etc. to help pick the numbers then you might as well just go with quick picks for everything. That way if you hit you can call it dumb luck, random, fate or whatever.
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Jan 7, 2012, 2:52 am

A one up one down workout may work once in a while but when it does work it is in fact luck.

All lottery games are designed not to show any consistency and people look for consistency where it doesn't exist.

Any workout may work sometimes, for a day, a little longer, but none will ever work all the time. If one ever does the game it works on will be changed or no longer exist.

The lottery is always many steps ahead of the players.

For the IL Mid-day draws of Jan 4 and 5 0 was the last digit, for the Evening Draws of the same dates it was the middle digit. Doesn't really pass the 'so what' test, doesn't pay.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jan 7, 2012, 10:09 am

In a state where a lot of the governors serve two terms (one in office - one in jail), you have to be circumspect about everything.
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Jan 7, 2012, 11:43 am

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jan 7, 2012
A one up one down workout may work once in a while but when it does work it is in fact luck.

All lottery games are designed not to show any consistency and people look for consistency where it doesn't exist.

Any workout may work sometimes, for a day, a little longer, but none will ever work all the time. If one ever does the game it works on will be changed or no longer exist.

The lottery is always many steps ahead of the players.

For the IL Mid-day draws of Jan 4 and 5 0 was the last digit, for the Evening Draws of the same dates it was the middle digit. Doesn't really pass the 'so what' test, doesn't pay.

So how do you pick your numbers?
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Jan 7, 2012, 2:54 pm

Well, in your post:

Not a reach at all. In fact it is a perfect example of what I said about patterns / sequences. Here's how.

821 12/29/11

730 12/29/11

659 1/1/12 You have the 876 in sequence, also the 109. The 2+3= the 5.

You conveniently say nothing about skipping the draws of the 30th and 31st. Anyone can do such a zig zag and come up with such stuff. Three days after a full moon on on odd numbered drawing date, etc ......

I don't play a whole lot of Pick 3 or 4 but I don't pick them like that.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jan 7, 2012, 3:16 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jan 7, 2012
Well, in your post:

Not a reach at all. In fact it is a perfect example of what I said about patterns / sequences. Here's how.

821 12/29/11

730 12/29/11

659 1/1/12 You have the 876 in sequence, also the 109. The 2+3= the 5.

You conveniently say nothing about skipping the draws of the 30th and 31st. Anyone can do such a zig zag and come up with such stuff. Three days after a full moon on on odd numbered drawing date, etc ......

I don't play a whole lot of Pick 3 or 4 but I don't pick them like that.

The sequences don't always fall on consecutive days. Sometimes they may skip a day or two or three or four. You play it for a few days if it doesn't hit then drop it. That is just the nature of it, study it, look for it and you will see it.

You said you don't play a lot of pick3, well that is all I play and it works for me. So I ask again, how do you pick your numbers?