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GamBlur-TTF

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Dec 20, 2012, 10:15 pm

First off. Funny how people create inverse of context. Only a person who Loses all their money have Gambling addictions.

what about the guy who happenly wins by the win ? does he have a gambling addiction? nope.. yall would call him a winner.

what about when the guy wins? is he gambling? Nope. he is simply winning .. Whereas the guy who is 1 dice roll away from killing himself is a Gambler.

Tuh.

yall believe this?

Addiction is only an addiction if you CANNOT Have it, cannot own it, cannot get it, nor cannot obtain it. BUT you need it, you want it, and u dread for it.

Gambling for some strange reason signifies losing all the money you put in.

but investing signifies receiving money you put in, more some.

How do you label yourself.

see i label myself a TRUE Gambler. NOT by society's definition. but by the FORMAL definition.

addiction? WE ALL HAVE ADDICTION... some of us have soo much to not be considered addicted, but oh yeh they are addicted.

whereas the people who does not have it, but needs it, are considered addicts.

Would you call a guy who has is own weed a pot head or just a guy with lots of weed.

or call the guy who smoke a roach-blunt off the floor a pothead ?

think deep..
Nikkicute

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Dec 20, 2012, 10:32 pm

Gambling is gambling whether you win or lose.

Makes no difference to me!

And a pot head is still a pot head if you smoke it lol
GamBlur-TTF

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Dec 20, 2012, 10:36 pm

LMAOO smartest answer .. there is hope for society after all.. lool
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Dec 20, 2012, 11:53 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Nikkicute on Dec 20, 2012
Gambling is gambling whether you win or lose.

Makes no difference to me!

And a pot head is still a pot head if you smoke it lol

yep
Coin Toss

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Dec 21, 2012, 12:32 am

Gamblur-TTF,

You're terms are defined a little differently than what the casinos use.

What counselors call problem gamblers are known in the casino business as degenerate gamblers.

A degernerate has to have some money riding on a decision on something, the flip of a card, a roll of the dice, a Keno game, a horse race, a football score, etc....

Having money riding on something is known as "being in action" and that's what degenerates live for.

The old time cainos bosses knew that for a lot of players winning some money was just a temporary loan. If they win, they bring the winings back to the casino. If they lose, they bring more of their own money back. But they always come back.

A true gambler is defined as a player who will put as much money in action as they can to win as much as they can as fast as they can.

The opposite of that is a grinder, that is someone who makes minimum bets and plays for hours, known as "Came to stay, not to play".

From the OP:

...but investing signifies receiving money you put in, more some.

Using the term 'investing' when talking about making wagers is the sign of a potential degenerate.

The only people "investing" in gambling are the people booking the action.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Dec 21, 2012, 12:51 pm

I'd have to generally agree with Coin Toss.

It doesn't matter whether you are winning or losing in a random event. If you NEED to have money in action somewhere, you're either a degnerate gambler, or getting close to it. Gambling addicition is usually extremely destructive.

The only people investing in gambling are the casinos and the advantage players. And so for the few peopole actually investing in gambling the actual gambling may not even be FUN for them. Chances are, if you have a lot of fun gambling, it's not investing.

And if it's hard for you to have fun without gambling, you're probably addicted, and should try to change your behavior, because it will likely cost you a lot.
GamBlur-TTF

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Dec 21, 2012, 1:08 pm

i most definitely agree with you @ coin toss. very insightful !
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Dec 21, 2012, 4:39 pm

The house is'nt gambling, they don't even call it that,

they call it gaming.

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Dec 21, 2012, 5:13 pm

GAM(bl)ING

the "b"l" is very very silent........
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Dec 21, 2012, 5:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Dec 21, 2012
The house is'nt gambling, they don't even call it that,

they call it gaming.

haymaker,

You're right but the term 'gaming' took over from gambling in the 1980s. That was the first time a recession really hit Vegas and it happened when a lot of casinos had started building towers - clones of the original casino.

As the recession hit the original casinos weren't packed with players and hotel guests, let alone the new additions. So the casino had to go out of state for financing and in that part of the country that meant Salt Lake City and that meant Mormons. They don't gamble but they own interests in casinos. The Las Vegas casino owners knew that the term "gambling" wouldn't go over big with Mormon bankers and wanted to call it something mores palatable, so suddenly gambling became known as the 'gaming' business.

GamBlur -TTF,

One out of 1,000 gamblers is considerd by the house to be a 'feared player'. A feared player follows this rule: Never give the house the chance to stand to win as much money from you as you stand to win from it. In other words, a feared player has a loss limit and that is that, but when on a streak will 'let it ride' to the moon.

An example is parlaying a $1 hard 6 or 8 on a crap table. The bet goes from $1 to $10, then $10 to $100. If the $100 hits it's a "Thousand dollar dollar" ($1,000 and down off of an original bet of $1).

But if it loses, how much did the player lose?

The answer is $1.

Boney526,

Veey good input. One of the places I worked had shift managers from the old days who were actually part owners, in a way. Way back when they had bought a "point in the joint" (1% to finance the opening). these guys didn't 'sweat' the money when a player was winning big, they 'bled'. Casino carpets are red because the bossed 'bleed' the money. Young dealers not realizing who thesew guys were would say, "Gee, these guys are acting like it's coming right out of their pockets". Well, it was. They got quarterly bonuses (on top of salary, somettimes six figues) based on what the joint won that quarter. They were semi-retired and took turns being off for six months and working six months.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
haymaker

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Dec 21, 2012, 6:12 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 21, 2012
haymaker,

You're right but the term 'gaming' took over from gambling in the 1980s. That was the first time a recession really hit Vegas and it happened when a lot of casinos had started building towers - clones of the original casino.

As the recession hit the original casinos weren't packed with players and hotel guests, let alone the new additions. So the casino had to go out of state for financing and in that part of the country that meant Salt Lake City and that meant Mormons. They don't gamble but they own interests in casinos. The Las Vegas casino owners knew that the term "gambling" wouldn't go over big with Mormon bankers and wanted to call it something mores palatable, so suddenly gambling became known as the 'gaming' business.

GamBlur -TTF,

One out of 1,000 gamblers is considerd by the house to be a 'feared player'. A feared player follows this rule: Never give the house the chance to stand to win as much money from you as you stand to win from it. In other words, a feared player has a loss limit and that is that, but when on a streak will 'let it ride' to the moon.

An example is parlaying a $1 hard 6 or 8 on a crap table. The bet goes from $1 to $10, then $10 to $100. If the $100 hits it's a "Thousand dollar dollar" ($1,000 and down off of an original bet of $1).

But if it loses, how much did the player lose?

The answer is $1.

Boney526,

Veey good input. One of the places I worked had shift managers from the old days who were actually part owners, in a way. Way back when they had bought a "point in the joint" (1% to finance the opening). these guys didn't 'sweat' the money when a player was winning big, they 'bled'. Casino carpets are red because the bossed 'bleed' the money. Young dealers not realizing who thesew guys were would say, "Gee, these guys are acting like it's coming right out of their pockets". Well, it was. They got quarterly bonuses (on top of salary, somettimes six figues) based on what the joint won that quarter. They were semi-retired and took turns being off for six months and working six months.

ahh..,yes I think the original owners of the casino I work for are mormons.

they can't gamble, but they can game.

never thought about it til. I got a casino lic. which said "gaming" on it.

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Dec 21, 2012, 6:35 pm

You've got it, haymaker.

When Benny Binion died a lot of old timers in Vegas said the last real gambler was gone.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
haymaker

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Dec 21, 2012, 7:00 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Dec 21, 2012
You've got it, haymaker.

When Benny Binion died a lot of old timers in Vegas said the last real gambler was gone.

Yo, CT,

yea I think when you say Benny was a real gambler you mean that,

in his casino your 1st bet was your limit.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds -- Charles Mackay LL.D.
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Dec 21, 2012, 8:50 pm

Yeah haymaker.

The "Shoe" (The Horseshoe, Binnion's place) had a reputation of 'no limit' but truth be known if somone walked in off the street and just kept letting a bet ride the limit for that bet was $10,000. If anyone wanted more than a $10,000 limit their forst bet established their limit.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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