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Apr 20, 2013, 5:29 pm

If you did label it such: would it be because you not in on the action or just feel everyone should have access to this information as well?
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Apr 20, 2013, 5:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 20, 2013
If you did label it such: would it be because you not in on the action or just feel everyone should have access to this information as well?

By beating it l mean beating the wheel on a regular basis.In a situation where people say " Whoa, was Charlie or Tammy not the last winner as well?"
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Apr 20, 2013, 6:40 pm

It's only cheating if they did something illegal to get and/or use the information. If they hacked into a computer to steal the code, or plant code of their own to make certain numbers come up. Or paid a lottery employee to do something illegal. Or printed tickets after the draw and somehow found a way to make the lottery computers say they were winners. That's cheating.

However, if they got the numbers from a vision, or time travel, or math then it's not cheating.
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Apr 20, 2013, 7:05 pm

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 20, 2013
If you did label it such: would it be because you not in on the action or just feel everyone should have access to this information as well?

Who cares LOL I won...then Id tell everybody how I did it after I banked the money and hopefully they would go out and win too...
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Apr 20, 2013, 10:43 pm

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 20, 2013
If you did label it such: would it be because you not in on the action or just feel everyone should have access to this information as well?

If there was a way to predict JP winning numbers with low cost and win almost every draw, the last thing on my mind would be whether others can get a hold of this information. Think about it, If you could accomplish such a feat, that alone would shake up your whole paradigm.
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Quote: Originally posted by onlymoney on Apr 20, 2013
If there was a way to predict JP winning numbers with low cost and win almost every draw, the last thing on my mind would be whether others can get a hold of this information. Think about it, If you could accomplish such a feat, that alone would shake up your whole paradigm.
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Apr 21, 2013, 12:41 am

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 20, 2013
By beating it l mean beating the wheel on a regular basis.In a situation where people say " Whoa, was Charlie or Tammy not the last winner as well?"

Beating it on a regualr basis would get whoever did it hated by all the other players because the game would no longer be offered.

It's a lottery, not a gift shop.

In a dream world you could develop something that would let you walk into the lottery office and prove to them you could beat them regularly, then name your price for you not to play or tell others. In a dream world. In the real world, the game would be shut down.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Apr 21, 2013, 7:33 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Apr 21, 2013
Beating it on a regualr basis would get whoever did it hated by all the other players because the game would no longer be offered.

It's a lottery, not a gift shop.

In a dream world you could develop something that would let you walk into the lottery office and prove to them you could beat them regularly, then name your price for you not to play or tell others. In a dream world. In the real world, the game would be shut down.
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Apr 21, 2013, 7:43 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Apr 21, 2013
Beating it on a regualr basis would get whoever did it hated by all the other players because the game would no longer be offered.

It's a lottery, not a gift shop.

In a dream world you could develop something that would let you walk into the lottery office and prove to them you could beat them regularly, then name your price for you not to play or tell others. In a dream world. In the real world, the game would be shut down.

Beating the lottery on a regular basis especially if it's one of the jackpot lottery is the extreme of trying to beat it once. On one end is the highly unlikely and on the other end is the ridiculous and the serious lottery players are some where in between somewhere closer to the unlikely side. Winning such a lottery once and maybe twice in a life time would be their goal.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Apr 22, 2013, 3:40 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Apr 21, 2013
Beating the lottery on a regular basis especially if it's one of the jackpot lottery is the extreme of trying to beat it once. On one end is the highly unlikely and on the other end is the ridiculous and the serious lottery players are some where in between somewhere closer to the unlikely side. Winning such a lottery once and maybe twice in a life time would be their goal.

Richard Lustig won several jackpots but his combined winnings had no effect on lottery profits. The scratch-off payoffs were expected, just not an expectation to pay several to one player and so where the pick-5 winnings. When the Australian syndicate bought the Virginia Lotto jackpot, they contributed to even higher lottery profits. Their jackpot was paid by paid by past ticket sales and their secondary prize wins were paid from their own ticket purchases.
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Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Apr 21, 2013
Beating it on a regualr basis would get whoever did it hated by all the other players because the game would no longer be offered.

It's a lottery, not a gift shop.

In a dream world you could develop something that would let you walk into the lottery office and prove to them you could beat them regularly, then name your price for you not to play or tell others. In a dream world. In the real world, the game would be shut down.

Must agree with the astute Coin & Stack's views on topic

Aside of technacalities, I would like to share a humble take on insider gaming mangement mentality: all games are losing propositions & are offered with posted losing odds as public entertainment called gambling. Therefore players who have legally or illegally gained an advantage thereby overcomed the expected game odds (other then pure luck)are not considered to be gambling & eventually the game rules would be changed; or players wagering action would meet countermeasure and or play would be banned.

Just the bare bones reality-

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Apr 22, 2013, 5:15 pm

I would label them "hero" and then try to convince them to share their trick with me. Anybody who can beat the house regularly is my hero

That money's gone fo ever
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Apr 22, 2013, 5:24 pm

Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Apr 22, 2013
Must agree with the astute Coin & Stack's views on topic

Aside of technacalities, I would like to share a humble take on insider gaming mangement mentality: all games are losing propositions & are offered with posted losing odds as public entertainment called gambling. Therefore players who have legally or illegally gained an advantage thereby overcomed the expected game odds (other then pure luck)are not considered to be gambling & eventually the game rules would be changed; or players wagering action would meet countermeasure and or play would be banned.

Just the bare bones reality-

EddessaKnight

An interesting take sir.

However, all long term advantages will not hurt the "Man".

It would only hurt the players. As there would be many more winners and thus jackpots would be considerably smaller or shared.

Any change due to greed by players or by "man"agement would be detrimental to most games. Management has already gotten by this by putting a cap on sales on some games. Other means is by a cap on payout. As in last nights 8 jackpot winners sharing 80K.

Any advantage gotten is up to the players interpretation of past results, and no two people will be in sync all the time. And no interpretation will be correct always.

No change by management to preven winners has ever been good to a game.

Any major change usually only marks the slow death of a game.

(Just an opinion)
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Apr 22, 2013, 7:50 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 22, 2013
Richard Lustig won several jackpots but his combined winnings had no effect on lottery profits. The scratch-off payoffs were expected, just not an expectation to pay several to one player and so where the pick-5 winnings. When the Australian syndicate bought the Virginia Lotto jackpot, they contributed to even higher lottery profits. Their jackpot was paid by paid by past ticket sales and their secondary prize wins were paid from their own ticket purchases.

According to https://www.lotterypost.com/news/218991 Richard Lustig won seven top lottery game prizes over seventeen years ranging from $90K to $900K which hardly compare with jackpot the Australian syndicate won by trying to buy all the possible combinations for one drawing. If he spent even a quarter of what they spent then he was lucky to break even.

Jackpots today are such that with the rules limiting how much time one group or person can control a lottery terminal I doubt if that will ever happen again. Even when the groups in Massachusetts came out ahead in the WinFall game, the state claimed they broke several of their rules.

It seems what Richard Lustig did was buy a lot of tickets over several years playing games that had lower top prizes and better odds of winning than the average jackpot game. Winning the top state lottery game once would beat what he did not to mention doing the same with PB or MM.

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Apr 22, 2013, 10:08 pm

HoLeeKau wrote:

However, if they got the numbers from a vision, or time travel, or math then it's not cheating.

I've been working on my time machine ... HeeHee!!! ...I only need to go back a couple of hours ... LOL!!!