SEATTLE — The man from Baghdad showed up unannounced this month in a state office building in Salem, Ore., with a piece of paper in his hand that he said was worth $6.4 million. He politely asked that his name be kept quiet, then told state officials that he had set up a local bank account into which they should deposit money annually. And then he went away, richer and more mysterious than when he arrived.
It was not an ordinary day at the Oregon Lottery.
The story started with small details, lottery officials said, and became bigger from there: The man was 37, an Iraqi Kurd. He had recently arrived in the United States from his home in Baghdad, and he said in fine English that he had won the Oregon Megabucks lottery drawing in late August by possessing the six correct numbers — without ever having visited the state.
The ticket, lottery officials learned, had been bought through thelotter.com, a company based in the island nation of Malta in the Mediterranean Sea, but had been printed out in a little deli on the outskirts of Bend, Ore., called Binky's.
Lottery officials' jaws dropped. Then they picked up the phone, calling the Department of Justice and Interpol. Was the man who he said he was, a successful businessman who had bought his ticket online? Was he on any kind of watch list? And how on earth would a lottery ticket from Binky's, of all places, end up in the possession of a man from halfway around the world?
But there was more: Despite Oregon laws that make lottery winners' names public, the man wanted anonymity. His life, and the lives of members of his family, he said, could be put in danger back home if his new net worth became known.
He told lottery officials that he had set up a bank account in Oregon where he wanted the first of 20 annual payments of $158,720 to be deposited, and that he intended to give the money to his two sons.
Thelotter.com arranges lottery ticket sales from around the world to buyers from all corners. It boasts of having "official tickets for all the world's biggest lotteries" — including Powerball in the United States and EuroMillions in France — as well as "100 percent commission-free wins."
Sean J. Riddell, a lawyer for thelotter, said the Oregon Lottery winner was still in the United States, but declined a request for an interview. Nor, Mr. Riddell said, would the man comment on his work or other details of his life in Iraq, or how he had acquired his visa to come to the United States.
The Oregon Lottery's director, Jack Roberts, said that an investigation was continuing into whether international lottery ticket sales are entirely legal — he said he had his doubts — but that the winner had done nothing wrong as far as anyone could determine. Everything checked out, Mr. Robert said, most crucially the six winning numbers on the ticket.
So the check was cut. Mr. Roberts said "yes" to anonymity, as well, although he added that a court could overrule him if the decision was challenged.
"I didn't want to be responsible if one of his kids gets kidnapped," Mr. Roberts said. "It's my decision that the need for his safety outweighs the public's need to know."
Foreign residents have played and won American state lotteries before. A group of Australians won $27.6 million in the Virginia Lottery in 1992. But that was before Internet commerce or online gambling existed in any widespread form.
In 2012, two foreign residents won prizes through tickets in United States lotteries bought through thelotter, the company said, although those prizes were much smaller than the one claimed by the Iraqi man: $1.25 million between the two winners.
Lottery laws are in many cases decades old and less than clear, legal experts said. Although a few states have experimented with online lottery sales, federal law makes it illegal to sell lottery tickets across state lines unless allowed by both states. Gambling online, with the exception of bets on horse racing, is legal only in Nevada, New Jersey and Delaware.
But in cases like this, in which the lottery ticket was bought over the counter, not through the Internet, the uncertainty runs deeper still.
"I think thelotter is at best in a gray area of legality," said Keith C. Miller, who teaches gambling law at Drake University in Des Moines.
Another prominent gambling expert, I. Nelson Rose, a professor of law at Whittier Law School in Costa Mesa, Calif., went firmly the other way.
"I think it probably was 100 percent legal," he said, referring to the Oregon transaction.
Thelotter said in an email that it made no wagers itself, or transferred any lottery tickets by mail or Internet, but that it instead provided what it called "a messenger service," using people who walk into shops like Binky's and plunk money on the counter. On its website, the company says that it makes its money in transaction fees for the ticket purchases and that it collects no percentage of winnings.
"We physically purchase the official tickets through our reliable and secure local offices located in more than 25 countries and make a scanned copy available to the players' secure personal accounts, which confirms their ownership," the company said in an email. "When a player wins, he is entitled to claim the prize in person."
Actual lottery tickets, the company added, are "never owned by us but only kept in a secured location on behalf of the customer until he claims his prize." The company said it had "handed over winning tickets" valued at more than $35 million.
In Oregon, it was up to Mr. Riddell to provide proof that the local chain of custody of the winning ticket was unbroken from its purchase in August until the winner's arrival, just in case any questions arose. He dispatched a private investigator to Bend to make sure. Finally, the ticket went into a bank safe deposit box.
Back at Binky's, Christmas came early with a $64,000 check that arrived out of the blue, a 1 percent bonus from the Oregon Lottery for having sold a winning ticket.
Judie Bell-Putas, 80, who owns the shop with her son — with a grandson behind the counter helping out with soup and sandwiches — said she had no idea who bought the ticket in August on behalf of the company in Malta, and that she did not much care.
"We're going to be using it to take care of the stuff we really need, and keep things going," Ms. Bell-Putas said.
Interesting article. Probably time to update the laws to account for internet sales internationally -- either to permit them or ban them.
Maybe it should be legal or an American to set up a butler service for lottery tickets and charge 3X the regular price per ticket, at least the profits could be taxed.
" A successful businessman" " With his new net worth" lol,
I caught that, thanks for the story Todd, clears up some of the mystery. Not all, just some.
There is nothing questionable about it. A guy walks into the store and purchases some tickets, just like you and I. Before you know it, those nasty politicians with a little p, will try to screw it up for all of us again.
"And how on earth would a lottery ticket from Binky's, of all places, end up in the possession of a man from halfway around the world?"
I could understand if it was the Wyoming or another relatively new state lottery, but someone at the Oregon Lottery should know about lottery butler services. The legality is interesting because the winning ticket never left the U.S. and the butler service charged their fee up front.
IMO, as for granting anonymity, any future Megabucks jackpot winner now has a claim. Opinions aside, there is no Oregon law preventing butler services from buying and selling tickets or paying foreign players.
Could <snip> have it correct and be leading us into international lottery play? With all the unknown variables becoming known in the future.
The unintended consequences are mind blowing.
I wish they (thelotter) bought the PB and MM tickets in Delaware, I might just pay their fee for anonymity.
I wonder if any questions would have been asked if the winner had arrived from London, Paris or Tel Aviv..!Our prejudices against Muslims show up even at the most unexpected places..Give the winner his money and let cry babies keep on crying..! Let us not change "goal posts" or rules whenever "others" who we'd prefer not to win - become winners..
I posted this to the previous article about the Oregon lotto, and yes I did check my source and chatted with someone in the Lotter. And so US laws does not allow its citizen to purchase online why does that courtesy apply to other countries?
The LOtter only allows customers to buy if they ARE NOT from the USA. If you try to register from the states you will not able to get pass log in. I don't know why Lottery Post even put their banner to support them if it's only for foreigners and not for disable citizens or someone who want the internet convenience - sounds very fishy to me. If someone from Iraq could buy a ticket online, I feel I should have that right to purchase tickets online and have the same opportunity as a customers like all the customers from the foreign countries especially since I am from this country! LOTTER --- SOME KIND OF FOREIGN MONEY LAUNDERING BUSINESS- VERY VERY VERY FISHY !!! I'm not a hater but I think business both online or offline should expand the same rights to all customers. I hope someone will start a petition to ban them. If other countries citizens can buy from the US, we should be able to buy from them as well wouldn't you think?
And as for the person who stated about the bank transaction to register if its legal they would put it on their website now wouldn't they?
Your assumptions that only citizens of the U.S. visit LP website are wrong, haven't you noticed that many of the posts are from all over the world?
I was stating a fact about being a US citizen's right to purchase online same as all customers and the fact that this business is run frm a different country other than the US and yet selling US lotteries to everyone else but the US's citizen, funny isn't it? No there was no assumption! Maybe some of you here support and build that website and is benefiting from them too? Just saying it doesn't take much to build a website.
"Our prejudices against Muslims show up even at the most unexpected places."
To me, it looks more odd that a Baghdad, Iraq resident won an Oregon Lotto jackpot and obviously very logical people have questions. The article doesn't mention religion so any assumptions about prejudices is yours.
"I was stating a fact about being a US citizen's right to purchase online same as all customers and the fact that this business is run frm a different country other than the US and yet selling US lotteries to everyone else but the US's citizen, funny isn't it? "
Online lottery ticket purchases are not a Right and irrelevant because the winning ticket in this article was not purchased online. You're making an argument about something that never happened.
Maybe not because there is a possible conspiracy theory; the Oregon drawing is RNG, Tipton sold his "self destruct" program to someone in Oregon who rigged the drawing so the prize money would go to a terrorist organization (don't let the 20 year payments fool you).
Stack were you another group they pay to go to the next gas station to get that ticket? People with logical minds should know that the transaction was made online and then made by walking into a random deli to get the the measly amount of what the original ticket's worth because it was charged triple, I would gladly pay for that if I was extended the same right and here is why I think US citizen should have that same right if they choose to do that transaction online, I could care less if the person who win regardless of color or race we all should be able to buy from a country we're from if it was offer to other people.
My only fear is that could our lotteries now support and help terrorist and their causes. I know that there is no way to tell but this really makes me wonder what the hell we are doing here.
"To me, it looks more odd that a Baghdad, Iraq resident won an Oregon Lotto jackpot and obviously very logical people have questions. The article doesn't mention religion so any assumptions about prejudices is yours."
C'mon Mister...Baghdad is not a place where you'd find Southern Christians...! You know and I know that we have overtly and covertly prejudices in our country..Puhleez, spare me from your "assumption theory"....
What an absurd statement...! Wow..! This NY Mr. You Are Fired has really brainwashed you and a small segment of our society with his venom. Now I believe how Jim Jones convinced thousands of people in Guyana to drink cyanide. Those were people like you who believe everything you see or hear from television..! We are doomed..!
Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. Individuals with this traits may be hypersensitive, easily feel slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.
The article was about online gambling with the ticket bought in person ( I presume lotter has offices or affiliates), so how do we end up with this twisted and convoluted ' conspiracy theories' of lottery funding terrorist?. The world is connecting, Lp epitomized this with members from every country, change is always hard for some folks.Everybody or most people are aware of online site where you can wage P3,P4 from any country, US included . The question that should be posed, is why the restriction for US citizens on lotter site? Why can't you wage pick 3 online even within the US?
Ok l will go along with your " Conspiracy Theory" Stack- btw -These are Kurd women.
Now picture either walking into the Oregon Lottery Office and telling the main guy " l have the winning ticket right here- could you please cut me my check....... please? " Oh Yes, of course!!
We know someone purchased a large number of Oregon Lotto tickets for <snip>. at an Oregon Lottery retailer. And a guy from Baghdad, Iraq showed up at Oregon Lottery headquarters with a jackpot winning ticket. The Oregon Lottery didn't sell the ticket online, the ticket wasn't bought online, and from their perception there was nothing different than another lotto winner.
"I think US citizen should have that same right if they choose to do that transaction online, I could care less if the person who win regardless of color or race we all should be able to buy from a country we're from if it was offer to other people. "
I agree, but it might take years before we get National and the same International online gaming other countries now enjoy.
Enough of this misinformation and hysteria already. Go and read my response to your post at "Man in Iraq wins $6.4 million Oregon Lottery jackpot". It is on their website. After you sign up, go to My Account's section and go from there. Some people in the USA are actually members. If you can't sign up, that does not mean that the rest of us can't. When you sign up, you see how you can make a deposit to your account.
You are beating a dead horse. This ONLINE thing is stuck in your head. If your friend/family abroad wants you to buy them tickets{PBALL/MM} and are willing to pay you for your troubles, are you going to say NO?. Like I said before, when you get to My Account, click on Banking and you can see a crapload of ways to pay. I tried to post some stuff but was zapped by ADMIN computer. Stop the hysteria.
Stack knows these things, he's a big lottery winner, ask him his secret.
Agree 100%, if one of my English relatives whom I've never met wanted a PB/MM ticket it would be done. I wish the Dept of Justice would turn a blind eye to the 1961 law forbidding sales of lottery tickets over the phone and now I suppose Internet. You know it takes the government years for any progress. Frankly I'm surprised they had to give in and put forms, etc on-line. They had no choice.
As an ACLU member years ago I e-mailed them about this saying I perceive this as a violation of my First Amendment rights...their response...None! I figured what the heck, seems like everyone and their Mother's Son is on the bandwagon stating this is wrong, that is wrong and it was my turn to rant.
Back the subject, it was not purchased on-line, a physical person walked in and bought the winning ticket. I don't give a rat's behind where the owner of the ticket came from, his/her religion/nationality what have you. Does it affect anyone here: NO.
Remember to get your Mega Millions/Powerball tickets....tomorrow is the big 60 for me and $74 million would be a nice way so say good riddance to the decade of being in the 50's.
Why, yes, actually, when people from foreign countries have won in the past they have been questioned like this. In fact, this Iraqi was provided special dispensation by the Oregon Lottery, allowing him to claim the jackpot anonymously, whereas any US citizen -- or likely anyone from London, Paris, or Tel Aviv -- would not have been afforded the same benefit.
So the "goal posts" were in fact changed for this guy -- to his benefit.
Progressives are always so quick to point their wagging fingers at people to condemn them. Probably to mask the fact that their own ideology by definition tries to shut down the free exchange of ideas, especially the ideas that are different from their own, all in an attempt to impose their doe-eyed view of the world on everyone. That is bigotry and tyranny.
I read a statistic that over 97% of Iraqis are Muslims so it's not really a leap to assume the Oregon lotto jackpot winner from Iraq probably followed Islam. I also read there are 828 million Hindus in India so it's very likely a similar jackpot winner from some regions in India would be a Hindu.
You can call it religious prejudices, but it's just the same old jackpot envy we see when an average American wins a jackpot.
I am glad for the guy that thelotter seems legit. if i lived in sopme place that doesnt allow me to buy lottery tickets , who knows, i might be forced to pay their fees. good for him i hope. its all of us with a dollar and a dream can hope for, or in his case, $4 and a dream.
* Out of curiosity l took a gander at this Lotto site that sold the winning ticket to this man from Iraq and they " bragging" on their blog about their hand in his accomplishment.
What you call "bragging" is actually smart marketing. If you owned such a business and managed to sell a jackpot-winning ticket, you would be an absolute fool to not be sure everyone knew about it.
Is Lottery Post owned from Canada or some other parts of the world? If it is it would explains well about the Lotter and its supporters. I cannot find it in the About or the Contact page. Most US players bought the subscription from Lottery Post because it has the most information from US lotteries which is the biggest in the world and this is wonderful for people all over everywhere could use this and benefit from it is wonderful. BUT I want the same right to extend to me if someone else can buy from the Lotter from the US - I should too, otherwise it should be BAN. For those of you nut brains who can't understand that happy day for you for now. Be warn Lotter you will not last if you think you can get away with something from the US without letting it's citizen in and snatch it to other That is Discrimination and Theft from its own people. I don't care how you supporters word it otherwise just because someone wins big this time you think you will gain more customers from other parts of the world - YOU ARE DONE!
Yes I email Lotter, they informed me the US legislation would not allow it and I should write to my legislator, I don't know who said the thing about bank transaction they are not from the US. and is a Big fat liar!
@#$%^&* I may even get BAN from Lottery Post after I posted all this stuff about the Lotter. Will see Lottery Post is US based in and for its people! will seeeeeeeeeee
You are lucky you live in the US and can buy a lottery ticket for its regular price and don't have to pay a stranger 3X that price to do it for you. You should be counting your blessings instead of complaining about the fortunes of the folks that have to do that.
You probably don't play any of the Oregon lotteries so you couldn't have won anyway.
Are you old enough, and do you have the means to play the lottery?. Are you still living in Mom's basement and never bothered with high school?. I only ask because your level of comprehension is highly suspect. You appear to be all over the place. ARE YOU OK?. This hysteria is sounding more and more like TOTAL BS.
Got you annoyed huh Major?
It is written " And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us "
Go in Peace MPM.
Wow!
Sounds like sour grapes for alot of us, we can play so many things, he placed his money down
spent the wheel and hit the lotto, good for him, enjoy your life and good luck to you,
Out of all the replies, this one hit the nail on the head.
Nothing illegal was done plain and simple. I am happy for him and his win regardless of where he calls home.
Wish Congress would repeal parts of that antiquated 1961 forbidding lottery sales over the telephone, so naturally it carried onto electronic means of this day and age. I see they just repealed a 40 year old law allowing the USA to export oil. Honestly don't believe they know the implications or that this law even exists, it would be a good shot in the arm of lottery heavy states. Also would help those folks in forbidden lottery states; AL, AK, HI, MS, NV and UT.
So I guess if I win a big jackpot here in Oregon, I'll have to just sue the state to keep my name anonymous.
I contacted the Attorney General's office here in Mass. in 2014 when I was thinking about signing up for thelotter. Here is a copy of our dialogue, I've substituted Mattapan for my name and AGO for the Paralegal's name. As you can see they weren't very helpful:
From: Mattapan
To: AGO
Sent: June 13, 2014
subject: Online Lottery Concierge Services
-----Original Message-----
From: (AGO) (AGO) <XXXXXXXX@ Mass Mail. State .MA.US>
To: Mattapan.
Cc: XXXXXX (AGO) (AGO) <Supervisor@ state. ma. us>
Sent: Tue, Jun 24, 2014 9:59 am
Subject: Online Lottery Concierge Services
Hello Mattapan
Thank you very much for your inquiry to the Attorney General’s Office. Your email was forwarded to me for response. In response to your inquiry, I would like to direct you to Massachusetts G.L. c. 271, specifically sections 9 and 11, which I have attached to this email. Please take a look at this law, specifically sections 9 and 11, because it may well be that once you familiarize yourself with this law, the answer to your question may be apparent. If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact myself or the chief of the Gaming Enforcement Division Patrick Hanley at 617-963-2512.
Thank you
AGO
Paralegal
Gaming Enforcement Division
Office of the Attorney General
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108
617-XXX-XXXX
From: Mattapan
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:21 AM
To: (AGO)
Subject: Re: Online Lottery Concierge Services
Hello AGO
Thank you for the information. According to the laws, it looks like the companies are legit. The laws address companies selling lottery tickets, these companies aren't selling anything. They are just buying the tickets for you, that is the difference. Thanks again,
Mattapan
-----Original Message-----
From: (AGO) (AGO) <XXXXXXXX@ MassMail. State. MA .US>
To:Mattapan
Cc: (AGO) (AGO) <Supervisor@ state .ma. us>
Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 10:30 am
Subject: RE: Online Lottery Concierge Services
Hello Mattapan,
In response to your explanation, the Office of the Attorney General’s interpretation of these laws differs from the interpretation you have provided. Again, please contact myself or the chief of the Gaming Enforcement Division Patrick Hanley if you have any further questions.
Thank you
AGO
From: Mattapan
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:35 AM
To: (AGO)
Subject: Re: Online Lottery Concierge Services
Hello AGO,
Ok, can you give me the AG's interpretation of these laws, please. Is it legal for a company to purchase tickets for someone in another state or country? I.E. I live in Boston and a company will purchase euromillions tickets for me in France, is this legal? Thanks
Mattapan
-----Original Message-----
From: AGO>
To: Mattapan>
Cc: XXXXXX (AGO) (AGO) <AGO supervisor>
Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 11:47 am
Subject: RE: Online Lottery Concierge Services
HelloMattapan
I have given as much information to you as I can. I would advise that you consult a private attorney about your question because I cannot give you legal advice.
Thank you
AGO
Paralegal
Gaming Enforcement Division
Office of the Attorney General
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108
617-XXX-XXXX
From: Mattapan
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:03 PM
To: (AGO)
Subject: Re: Online Lottery Concierge Services
Hello AGO,
Thank you for your help with answering my question about Online Concierge services. My other question is this. I know US citizens are barred from playing lotteries in foreign countries online, but would the same law apply to someone who is a Dominican citizen and is a permanent resident here in the United States? Thank you
Mattapan
Hello Mattapan,
Your inquiry seems to be more of a question of federal law. I recommend you consult federal law on this matter or speak with a private attorney.
Thank you
AGO
Paralegal
Gaming Enforcement Division
Office of the Attorney General
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108
617-XXX-XXXX
I agree with you 100%.
It sounds retaliatory. Something seems dirty about the WHOLE situation.
I'd really like to know what the nationality is of the folks at Binkey's where the alleged ticket was sold? And, like you said, how did it end up half way around the world?
This lottery situation smells like old rotted camel dung.
(and it's not my home. I keep a clean home, here in the U.S.A.)
How do we know this offsite "Lotter" place is legit?
So, how the heck? And who says "they did nothing wrong"? Who said they did?
But something smells fishy, just the same, doesn't it?
But why was it allowed to even be considered. Did the 3rd party place print the ticket after the fact? Isn't there something that says only an Oregon resident(s) could possibly be a winner(s)? Doesn't Binkys lotto fall under the umbrella of the USA lotto that we, here in the USA are familiar with?
Can somebody call up this Binkeys place to find out more details?
The media may be afraid to stir up anything, related to this situation, since it involves Iraq.
I left a post in reply but have since changed my mind about it.
It seems, thanks to allowing these off-shore butler services, wethere they're
legit or not, and allows potentially 7 billion players to make lotto bets.
And what are the odds on hitting the lotto? 1 in 175 million?
I'm hating this world more and more.
I am happy but surprised that he got the prize. I have always been skeptical about playing lotteries through middlemen.
I only play directly with lotteries by subscription. I would like to know how much commission the winner was charged?
How much commission do "butler services" change players, and how much do they charge winners?
It would be interesting to know!