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The games are tough to solve...no doubt about that...but no matter what you find or how much you find you can always learn a little more...

And there are plenty of people here that can help anyone thats for sure..or a person can just do some reading on here and find all kinds of help..!!!!

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"
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Quote: Originally posted by lotterybraker on Feb 4, 2016
The games are tough to solve...no doubt about that...but no matter what you find or how much you find you can always learn a little more...

And there are plenty of people here that can help anyone thats for sure..or a person can just do some reading on here and find all kinds of help..!!!!

Well said, LB
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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Jan 31, 2016
Check out what the best pick 3/4 predictors are doing and start from there.

I tell you what they are doing....Still losing. there are no best pick 3 or pick 4 or any other lottery predictors. It's all negative expectation.
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Quote: Originally posted by flossdog on Feb 6, 2016
I tell you what they are doing....Still losing. there are no best pick 3 or pick 4 or any other lottery predictors. It's all negative expectation.

It seems as if just about everyone in the world has heard about the "negative expectation" of gambling by now.

Everyone has heard the story about "Bumble Bees"not being able to to fly either, at least according to the laws of aerodynamics.

Apparently, all retail gamblers think of themselves as some kind of LUCKY Bumble Bee with "special powers".

The original point of this post topic was:

In spite of all of the negative expectations of the game and it's terrible payouts,

what method would get us closest to "break even" ?
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Feb 7, 2016, 12:44 pm

How about a nice game of"Thermonuclear War" .

Perhaps the way to win is "NOT to PLAY"
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Mar 8, 2016, 10:21 am

So, everyone here agrees right?

After all these many years, and thousands of post on thousands of Systems, we "got nothing!"

Nothing here has even gotten close to breakeven, the only thing we can hope for is some sort of game changes in ODDS or bigger pay outs.

It is disappointing that no one even hinted at a break even System.

Most of what came out was "Negative Expectation" conversation.

Until we can get better payouts or better odds from the State Lotteries, we're dead in the water with "Systems"
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Quote: Originally posted by Edibs3 on Mar 8, 2016
So, everyone here agrees right?

After all these many years, and thousands of post on thousands of Systems, we "got nothing!"

Nothing here has even gotten close to breakeven, the only thing we can hope for is some sort of game changes in ODDS or bigger pay outs.

It is disappointing that no one even hinted at a break even System.

Most of what came out was "Negative Expectation" conversation.

Until we can get better payouts or better odds from the State Lotteries, we're dead in the water with "Systems"

Hmmm.. I don't think everyone here agrees. Many people seem to be spending hours upon hours working systems to beat pick 3. They wouldn't be doing that if they agreed.

The problem as I see it is all of the systems that are based on prior draws are only valid if the future draws are not actually random. If the draws are random, then looking at past draws does not offer any help in determining future draws. If the draws are not random, either intentionally or by accident, then there could be a system that exploits that. If you found it, you probably would not want to post anything about it publicly as the administrators of the draws would likely be able to fix it pretty quickly and you would have to start all over.

At this point, I personally do not believe the lottery would intentionally not use a truly random system in pick3/pick4 games as they make a huge profit actually using random. It is possible that when using a computer program to "randomly" pick numbers, a flaw in the program would be accidentally present that would lead it to not be truly random. One issue though is for you to actually figure out how it is not random would likely take an analysis of millions of its draws, which we won't have access to in our lifetime. Also, the administrators could simply change programs every once in a while to make it even more unlikely.

The only "system" that conceptually has validity to me right now is some form of progressive wagering. To really do this though would take a deep bankroll and a willingness to accept some very high risk plays. You could profit for some time and lose all of it very quickly.

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California

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,767	3,848	17,283	233,366
Hits	11	11	29	101	1,260
Hit Ratio	2.81%	0.62%	0.75%	0.58%	0.54%
Winnings	$690	$1,020	$1,990	$9,070	$117,710
Prize Ratio	176.47%	57.72%	51.72%	52.48%	50.44%

Colorado

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	203	777	1,602	7,508	21,212
Hits	1	10	11	44	124
Hit Ratio	0.49%	1.29%	0.69%	0.59%	0.58%
Winnings	$330	$900	$1,230	$4,170	$12,150
Prize Ratio	162.56%	115.83%	76.78%	55.54%	57.28%

Minnesota

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	203	809	1,768	8,372	112,963
Hits	1	6	14	51	562
Hit Ratio	0.49%	0.74%	0.79%	0.61%	0.50%
Winnings	$290	$490	$1,560	$3,660	$55,680
Prize Ratio	142.86%	60.57%	88.24%	43.72%	49.29%

Indiana

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,709	3,732	16,855	215,774
Hits	4	5	18	78	1,123
Hit Ratio	1.02%	0.29%	0.48%	0.46%	0.52%
Winnings	$410	$490	$2,260	$5,660	$112,720
Prize Ratio	104.86%	28.67%	60.56%	33.58%	52.24%

Georgia

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,553	3,286	15,814	218,904
Hits	6	3	17	68	1,048
Hit Ratio	1.53%	0.19%	0.52%	0.43%	0.48%
Winnings	$490	$370	$1,550	$6,880	$105,090
Prize Ratio	125.32%	23.82%	47.17%	43.51%	48.01%

Louisiana

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	203	843	1,848	8,828	114,433
Hits	7	0	16	44	625
Hit Ratio	3.45%	0.00%	0.87%	0.50%	0.55%
Winnings	$530	$0	$1,680	$5,750	$67,980
Prize Ratio	261.08%	0.00%	90.91%	65.13%	59.41%

New Jersey

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,630	3,523	16,468	229,017
Hits	6	4	14	80	1,149
Hit Ratio	1.53%	0.25%	0.40%	0.49%	0.50%
Winnings	$490	$660	$1,310	$7,280	$113,240
Prize Ratio	125.32%	40.49%	37.18%	44.21%	49.45%

North Carolina

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	433	1,806	3,925	17,210	143,710
Hits	5	17	29	81	733
Hit Ratio	1.15%	0.94%	0.74%	0.47%	0.51%
Winnings	$700	$1,430	$2,660	$6,650	$65,080
Prize Ratio	161.66%	79.18%	67.77%	38.64%	45.29%

Tennessee

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	466	2,193	4,651	21,419	208,954
Hits	8	16	35	154	1,096
Hit Ratio	1.72%	0.73%	0.75%	0.72%	0.52%
Winnings	$570	$1,220	$3,270	$13,310	$108,950
Prize Ratio	122.32%	55.63%	70.31%	62.14%	52.14%

Washington, D.C.

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,675	3,652	16,773	229,449
Hits	2	4	13	103	1,129
Hit Ratio	0.51%	0.24%	0.36%	0.61%	0.49%
Winnings	$580	$490	$1,600	$8,320	$104,530
Prize Ratio	148.34%	29.25%	43.81%	49.60%	45.56%

West Virginia

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	153	668	1,427	7,207	97,125
Hits	6	1	8	36	452
Hit Ratio	3.92%	0.15%	0.56%	0.50%	0.47%
Winnings	$490	$40	$570	$4,020	$48,580
Prize Ratio	320.26%	5.99%	39.94%	55.78%	50.02%

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Mar 8, 2016, 12:25 pm

Quote: Originally posted by mjwinsmith on Mar 8, 2016

California

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,767	3,848	17,283	233,366
Hits	11	11	29	101	1,260
Hit Ratio	2.81%	0.62%	0.75%	0.58%	0.54%
Winnings	$690	$1,020	$1,990	$9,070	$117,710
Prize Ratio	176.47%	57.72%	51.72%	52.48%	50.44%

Colorado

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	203	777	1,602	7,508	21,212
Hits	1	10	11	44	124
Hit Ratio	0.49%	1.29%	0.69%	0.59%	0.58%
Winnings	$330	$900	$1,230	$4,170	$12,150
Prize Ratio	162.56%	115.83%	76.78%	55.54%	57.28%

Minnesota

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	203	809	1,768	8,372	112,963
Hits	1	6	14	51	562
Hit Ratio	0.49%	0.74%	0.79%	0.61%	0.50%
Winnings	$290	$490	$1,560	$3,660	$55,680
Prize Ratio	142.86%	60.57%	88.24%	43.72%	49.29%

Indiana

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,709	3,732	16,855	215,774
Hits	4	5	18	78	1,123
Hit Ratio	1.02%	0.29%	0.48%	0.46%	0.52%
Winnings	$410	$490	$2,260	$5,660	$112,720
Prize Ratio	104.86%	28.67%	60.56%	33.58%	52.24%

Georgia

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,553	3,286	15,814	218,904
Hits	6	3	17	68	1,048
Hit Ratio	1.53%	0.19%	0.52%	0.43%	0.48%
Winnings	$490	$370	$1,550	$6,880	$105,090
Prize Ratio	125.32%	23.82%	47.17%	43.51%	48.01%

Louisiana

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	203	843	1,848	8,828	114,433
Hits	7	0	16	44	625
Hit Ratio	3.45%	0.00%	0.87%	0.50%	0.55%
Winnings	$530	$0	$1,680	$5,750	$67,980
Prize Ratio	261.08%	0.00%	90.91%	65.13%	59.41%

New Jersey

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,630	3,523	16,468	229,017
Hits	6	4	14	80	1,149
Hit Ratio	1.53%	0.25%	0.40%	0.49%	0.50%
Winnings	$490	$660	$1,310	$7,280	$113,240
Prize Ratio	125.32%	40.49%	37.18%	44.21%	49.45%

North Carolina

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	433	1,806	3,925	17,210	143,710
Hits	5	17	29	81	733
Hit Ratio	1.15%	0.94%	0.74%	0.47%	0.51%
Winnings	$700	$1,430	$2,660	$6,650	$65,080
Prize Ratio	161.66%	79.18%	67.77%	38.64%	45.29%

Tennessee

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	466	2,193	4,651	21,419	208,954
Hits	8	16	35	154	1,096
Hit Ratio	1.72%	0.73%	0.75%	0.72%	0.52%
Winnings	$570	$1,220	$3,270	$13,310	$108,950
Prize Ratio	122.32%	55.63%	70.31%	62.14%	52.14%

Washington, D.C.

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	391	1,675	3,652	16,773	229,449
Hits	2	4	13	103	1,129
Hit Ratio	0.51%	0.24%	0.36%	0.61%	0.49%
Winnings	$580	$490	$1,600	$8,320	$104,530
Prize Ratio	148.34%	29.25%	43.81%	49.60%	45.56%

West Virginia

Statistic	Current Month	Last Month	Current Year	Last Year	Lifetime
Pick 3
Picks	153	668	1,427	7,207	97,125
Hits	6	1	8	36	452
Hit Ratio	3.92%	0.15%	0.56%	0.50%	0.47%
Winnings	$490	$40	$570	$4,020	$48,580
Prize Ratio	320.26%	5.99%	39.94%	55.78%	50.02%

MJ, are those your playing statistics. If so, looks like in the long run you are about at the odds overall, 50% payback. Good month so far in March though!

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Mar 8, 2016, 12:34 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on Mar 8, 2016
MJ, are those your playing statistics. If so, looks like in the long run you are about at the odds overall, 50% payback. Good month so far in March though!

Those are my Prediction Results for the Pick-3 games posted here on the Lottery Post.

As you well can see from the stats, overall in the long run I am at about average (Fifty Per Cent), now the trick is to make 'Dat Money while you are ahead of the game. Sort of playing with the houses money to make money.

Today so to speak I like a single set of Numbers for several specific states, New Jersey being just one of those states. Now playing the right set(s) and putting some good money on the number, (See My Magic Wheel), you could come away with a nice chunk of change. Hint for New Jersey Pick-3 Day, the digit #0 is due and the Pick-3 number I'm going after contains that digit.

~Michael

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Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on Mar 8, 2016

Hmmm.. I don't think everyone here agrees. Many people seem to be spending hours upon hours working systems to beat pick 3. They wouldn't be doing that if they agreed.

The problem as I see it is all of the systems that are based on prior draws are only valid if the future draws are not actually random. If the draws are random, then looking at past draws does not offer any help in determining future draws. If the draws are not random, either intentionally or by accident, then there could be a system that exploits that. If you found it, you probably would not want to post anything about it publicly as the administrators of the draws would likely be able to fix it pretty quickly and you would have to start all over.

At this point, I personally do not believe the lottery would intentionally not use a truly random system in pick3/pick4 games as they make a huge profit actually using random. It is possible that when using a computer program to "randomly" pick numbers, a flaw in the program would be accidentally present that would lead it to not be truly random. One issue though is for you to actually figure out how it is not random would likely take an analysis of millions of its draws, which we won't have access to in our lifetime. Also, the administrators could simply change programs every once in a while to make it even more unlikely.

The only "system" that conceptually has validity to me right now is some form of progressive wagering. To really do this though would take a deep bankroll and a willingness to accept some very high risk plays. You could profit for some time and lose all of it very quickly.

The prevailing thought is ' back-testing ' on prior data, the hint of 'forward testing' get a push back like crazy!

I don't subscribe to prediction based on historical data if the premise of the game is RANDOM. I suggest you read 'Super Crunches' by IAN AYERS for ideal on forward-testing by just simulation(you need a concept for the simulation).

Lets take FL , simulate each draw for the next random pool(0 thru 9)

Drawing Date	Pick 3		Pick 4
Drawing Date	Midday	Evening	Midday	Evening
Mon, Mar 7, 2016	7-9-0	2-4-9	2-9-1-4	0-6-5-8
Sun, Mar 6, 2016	8-0-5	4-0-9	6-7-1-0	8-8-8-5
Sat, Mar 5, 2016	0-6-3	7-6-1	5-0-5-0	0-1-2-4
Fri, Mar 4, 2016	0-1-4	8-6-9	4-8-6-2	4-6-0-7
Thu, Mar 3, 2016	2-5-8	7-3-9	6-4-2-4	5-0-4-8
Wed, Mar 2, 2016	8-7-4	9-1-7	2-0-5-9	3-8-4-4
Tue, Mar 1, 2016	8-3-8	5-3-3	7-7-1-6	4-8-0-7
Mon, Feb 29, 2016	0-5-2	4-4-3	1-5-3-6	8-4-5-2
Sun, Feb 28, 2016	2-4-4	4-5-1	4-1-2-5	7-4-4-3
Sat, Feb 27, 2016	0-1-3	5-5-6	3-5-6-5	4-0-6-9

Draw next pool(next draws)

013 6728 034591>> hits 874-258-805-603 ( observe digits 6728 projection)

244 3789 150462 >hits 838-874-790

052 8630 572941> hit 838-874-063-014-805

IDEAL/Assumption> A parameter /identifier will randomize/shuffle the pool(the pool is your data) for the next event/s.

NB: The intent of this comment is throw 'a bone' , not to explain the 'next pool' process.

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Mar 8, 2016, 12:43 pm

Quote: Originally posted by mjwinsmith on Mar 8, 2016
Those are my Prediction Results for the Pick-3 games posted here on the Lottery Post.

As you well can see from the stats, overall in the long run I am at about average (Fifty Per Cent), now the trick is to make 'Dat Money while you are ahead of the game. Sort of playing with the houses money to make money.

Today so to speak I like a single set of Numbers for several specific states, New Jersey being just one of those states. Now playing the right set(s) and putting some good money on the number, (See My Magic Wheel), you could come away with a nice chunk of change. Hint for New Jersey Pick-3 Day, the digit #0 is due and the Pick-3 number I'm going after contains that digit.

~Michael

Very cool. thanks for the explanation.
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Mar 8, 2016, 12:53 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on Mar 8, 2016
Hmmm.. I don't think everyone here agrees. Many people seem to be spending hours upon hours working systems to beat pick 3. They wouldn't be doing that if they agreed.

The problem as I see it is all of the systems that are based on prior draws are only valid if the future draws are not actually random. If the draws are random, then looking at past draws does not offer any help in determining future draws. If the draws are not random, either intentionally or by accident, then there could be a system that exploits that. If you found it, you probably would not want to post anything about it publicly as the administrators of the draws would likely be able to fix it pretty quickly and you would have to start all over.

At this point, I personally do not believe the lottery would intentionally not use a truly random system in pick3/pick4 games as they make a huge profit actually using random. It is possible that when using a computer program to "randomly" pick numbers, a flaw in the program would be accidentally present that would lead it to not be truly random. One issue though is for you to actually figure out how it is not random would likely take an analysis of millions of its draws, which we won't have access to in our lifetime. Also, the administrators could simply change programs every once in a while to make it even more unlikely.

The only "system" that conceptually has validity to me right now is some form of progressive wagering. To really do this though would take a deep bankroll and a willingness to accept some very high risk plays. You could profit for some time and lose all of it very quickly.

Read your comments . . .

My 2 cents worth

1 - losing comes with playing, its part of any system.

2 - Money management 80 for box win, you have 80 draws. A win before 80 draws is good.

3 - I think people here track many of the same filters

4 - how you did you get numbers for the current draw

Even/Odd filter, total filter, No Carryover, Carryover etc.

5 - Tracking and watching for patterns that repeat

Luck be with you!!!

NOTE: All numbers posted are BOXED and unless otherwise noted.
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Mar 8, 2016, 1:01 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Domeman on Mar 8, 2016
Read your comments . . .

My 2 cents worth

1 - losing comes with playing, its part of any system.

2 - Money management 80 for box win, you have 80 draws. A win before 80 draws is good.

3 - I think people here track many of the same filters

4 - how you did you get numbers for the current draw

Even/Odd filter, total filter, No Carryover, Carryover etc.

5 - Tracking and watching for patterns that repeat

Right I would agree with some of that. I think the issue dibs was looking at was in regards to point 5 of yours. Looking for patterns that repeat assumes the draws are not random. Random draws do not make predictable patterns.

If you are convinced the draws are not random, then breaking the code gets your rich. telling anyone else about it gets the code changed and you have to start all over. My concern with the effort is that if there is a code, I would expect it to be so complicated that it would take many more than a 100s or 1000s or more draws to get enough data to actually break it. If you can get a hold of the actual software used to do the draws, then you could run millions of draws and do the analysis. For ball generated draws I don't think there could be a code. But who knows?

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Quote: Originally posted by mjwinsmith on Mar 8, 2016

Those are my Prediction Results for the Pick-3 games posted here on the Lottery Post.

As you well can see from the stats, overall in the long run I am at about average (Fifty Per Cent), now the trick is to make 'Dat Money while you are ahead of the game. Sort of playing with the houses money to make money.

Today so to speak I like a single set of Numbers for several specific states, New Jersey being just one of those states. Now playing the right set(s) and putting some good money on the number, (See My Magic Wheel), you could come away with a nice chunk of change. Hint for New Jersey Pick-3 Day, the digit #0 is due and the Pick-3 number I'm going after contains that digit.

~Michael

Mjwin$mith’s Magic Wheel

Ohio (Midday)

Tuesday, March 08, 2016

Bets ($)	(6)	(5)	(4)	(3)	(2)	(1)
	ABC	ACB	CBA	CAB	BCA	BAC
Table 3	897	879	798	789	978	987
On Line	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	$1,800.00	0.00
OH	978	987	879	897	789	798
In State	$3,000.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00

Prediction	State	Winning No	Day / Eve	Prize Amount*
9-7-8	OH	9-7-8	Day	$3,000.00

mjwinsmith	Ohio	Pick 3 Midday	6-Way Box	7-9-8	9-7-8	$40
mjwinsmith	Ohio	Pick 3 Midday	6-Way Box	8-9-7	9-7-8	$40
mjwinsmith	Ohio	Pick 3 Midday	6-Way Box	8-7-9	9-7-8	$40
mjwinsmith	Ohio	Pick 3 Midday	6-Way Box	8-7-9	9-7-8	$40
mjwinsmith	Ohio	Pick 3 Midday	6-Way Box	7-9-8	9-7-8	$40

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