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How to figure out your keno way tickets
by Pesach Kremen
Figuring way tickets need not be difficult.
While knowing probabilities and combinations (in the mathematics sense) is quite helpful, they can be figured out as well by writing down all the possible combinations if too many. Let’s say you like 7-spot tickets (I do, especially downtown where $1 can get you up to $17,500 and 80 cents can get you up to $14,000) and want to target 7-spots in your way tickets. Simply group your ways so they add up to 7.
Let’s say you write out a ticket with groups of 3-4-3-4. Thus you have a group of 3 combining with one of 4 to make a 7-spot. Since there are two groups each of 3 and 4 you have 2 x 2 or four 7-spots. If you play the 6s and 8s, there is only a 3-3 for the 6 and a 4-4 for the 8. Thus to play the 6s, 7s, and 8s you have six total ways.
All of the downtown casinos will allow you to play them at half the regular ticket rate. You can play all six ways at $3 a ticket or $2.40 a ticket at the casinos that offer a 40 or 80 cent rate (all except two downtown resorts offer the latter).
Yes, you ignore the smaller hits, but spend a lot less per game and still benefit from partial hits. If you are afraid of a scattering of your numbers, play the two 10s that this grouping produces (3-4-3-0 and 3-4-0-3). You could even play all 14 numbers (at 50 cents as no 40 cent rate here except at the D).
Try this if at the D as they allow even 20 cents a way if the ticket comes to $2 or even a dime a way and even at their excellent (best in town for return) Deano rate as long as the total ticket cost is $2. The $2 does not have to be in one game as you can have several adding up to $2 to qualify.
From 3-4-3-4 you can play a 6, four 7s, an 8, a 10, two 11s, and a 14 either at 10 (if playing two or more games) or 20 cents a way for one game. Please be aware minimums are subject to change at any time, thus always check at the keno counter.
Over 99% of the payback on 11 and 14-spot tickets is not for the maximum hit but for the other pays on the ticket. That is 99% of the money to be paid on those tickets is distributed on the lesser pays. If feeling you may get a scattered hit why not include them when the cost is so little to play them?
Finally, if there are any readers of this column who might be interested in a keno happening get together please email me. If enough interest is shown I can ask a casino what might be possible.
Even if you are playing or staying in downtown Las Vegas, many keno lounges offer some type of low minimum way rate if playing enough ways, games or dollars on your ticket. Get to know the writers but please do not blame them for poor payoff odds, playing conditions. Let them know your concerns so they can be passed upstairs (or to wherever management has their offices) that you would like to see some changes.
For example, let them know how important a nonsmoking keno environment is or that you feel a 3% payback (there really is a ticket on the Strip that returns only 3 cents on the dollar) is woefully inadequate.
Let them know what you like, too. If they hear only negative remarks they may think you’re a sore loser. For example say, I really like the variety of special and way tickets your casino offers but want to play free of cigarette smoke. Say you like their 7-spot payout rates but why can’t you play 10 ways for a quarter instead of 50 cents a way. Get the hint?
The casino makes money on volume and happy customers. They may just see it your way (excuse the pun!). By the way, keno is not like collegiate wrestling. You need not weigh in to have your way with way tickets regardless of what you weigh. It should be like Burger King where you can have it your way regardless of what you weigh!
Pesach Kremen is a former UNLV Masters Gaming student, has won and placed in multiple local keno tournaments, and has written several academic papers on keno.
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How to figure out your keno way tickets
by Pesach KremenFiguring way tickets need not be difficult.
While knowing probabilities and combinations (in the mathematics sense) is quite helpful, they can be figured out as well by writing down all the possible combinations if too many. Let’s say you like 7-spot tickets (I do, especially downtown where $1 can get you up to $17,500 and 80 cents can get you up to $14,000) and want to target 7-spots in your way tickets. Simply group your ways so they add up to 7.
Let’s say you write out a ticket with groups of 3-4-3-4. Thus you have a group of 3 combining with one of 4 to make a 7-spot. Since there are two groups each of 3 and 4 you have 2 x 2 or four 7-spots. If you play the 6s and 8s, there is only a 3-3 for the 6 and a 4-4 for the 8. Thus to play the 6s, 7s, and 8s you have six total ways.
All of the downtown casinos will allow you to play them at half the regular ticket rate. You can play all six ways at $3 a ticket or $2.40 a ticket at the casinos that offer a 40 or 80 cent rate (all except two downtown resorts offer the latter).
Yes, you ignore the smaller hits, but spend a lot less per game and still benefit from partial hits. If you are afraid of a scattering of your numbers, play the two 10s that this grouping produces (3-4-3-0 and 3-4-0-3). You could even play all 14 numbers (at 50 cents as no 40 cent rate here except at the D).
Try this if at the D as they allow even 20 cents a way if the ticket comes to $2 or even a dime a way and even at their excellent (best in town for return) Deano rate as long as the total ticket cost is $2. The $2 does not have to be in one game as you can have several adding up to $2 to qualify.
From 3-4-3-4 you can play a 6, four 7s, an 8, a 10, two 11s, and a 14 either at 10 (if playing two or more games) or 20 cents a way for one game. Please be aware minimums are subject to change at any time, thus always check at the keno counter.
Over 99% of the payback on 11 and 14-spot tickets is not for the maximum hit but for the other pays on the ticket. That is 99% of the money to be paid on those tickets is distributed on the lesser pays. If feeling you may get a scattered hit why not include them when the cost is so little to play them?
Finally, if there are any readers of this column who might be interested in a keno happening get together please email me. If enough interest is shown I can ask a casino what might be possible.
Even if you are playing or staying in downtown Las Vegas, many keno lounges offer some type of low minimum way rate if playing enough ways, games or dollars on your ticket. Get to know the writers but please do not blame them for poor payoff odds, playing conditions. Let them know your concerns so they can be passed upstairs (or to wherever management has their offices) that you would like to see some changes.
For example, let them know how important a nonsmoking keno environment is or that you feel a 3% payback (there really is a ticket on the Strip that returns only 3 cents on the dollar) is woefully inadequate.
Let them know what you like, too. If they hear only negative remarks they may think you’re a sore loser. For example say, I really like the variety of special and way tickets your casino offers but want to play free of cigarette smoke. Say you like their 7-spot payout rates but why can’t you play 10 ways for a quarter instead of 50 cents a way. Get the hint?
The casino makes money on volume and happy customers. They may just see it your way (excuse the pun!). By the way, keno is not like collegiate wrestling. You need not weigh in to have your way with way tickets regardless of what you weigh. It should be like Burger King where you can have it your way regardless of what you weigh!
Pesach Kremen is a former UNLV Masters Gaming student, has won and placed in multiple local keno tournaments, and has written several academic papers on keno.
MORE SOLID SENSIBLE KENO ADVICE FROM EXPERT PESACH KREMEN
~With Compliments
Eddessa_Knight w/Light
"There are many common tickets out there, some even in casino pay books as examples of way tickets to play. Let's examine a few and perhaps add our own. Try a grouping of 15 numbers as all 3s such as 3-3-3-3-3. Being that there are 5 groups using the formula 2 to the nth - 1 we get 32-31 = 31 possible groupings.We have a 25 spot, 5 twelve stops, 10 nine spots, 10 6 spots, and 5 three spots which is 1 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 5 =31.
We know that a SOLID 15 has never been hit. We also know that hitting 3 of 3 does not pay a lot. How about just playing the 6s and 9s giving you a total of 20 ways. Many casinos will let you play 20 ways at very low minimums thus the ticket can be quite affordable while at the same time giving you a lot of action for your bet.Let's try an interesting take on this ticket by adding a king ( a group of one) Thus we have groups of 3-3-3-3-3-1. Since there are now 6 groups instead of 5 we now have 63 possible ways (2 to the nth -1 = 2 to the 6th - 1 = 64-1 = 63) We now have a 16 spot, a 15 spot, 5 thirteen spots, 5 twelve spots, 10 ten spots, 10 none spots, 10 seven spots, 10 six spots, 5 four spots, 5 three spots, and one king, or one spot. Thus we have 1 +1 + 5 +5 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 5 +5 +1 = 63 total ways. Of course you need not play all of them. Play the 10s, 9s, 7s, and 6s at a low minimum and you have 40 ways. Play at The D with their Deano rate returning 85% playing at a dome a way and you have $4 per ticket with a LOT of action. If you have to play 20 cents way at your favorite casino then you have an $8 ticket or if you have to play at a quarter a way you have a $10 ticket. Please keep in mind the wins are proportional to the amount wagered, except is you hit the aggregate limit. We should have such a problem!There is no limit to what you can do with keno tickets provided that you observe the house minimums and you have the necessary bankroll. Many casinos offer sharply reduced rates when you play a lot of ways making even 40 way tickets affordable.If you do not know to calculate the number of possible ways no problem. The keno writers can input your grouping in to the computer and tell you how many ways are possible. Of course if you know the number of ways it is usually more fun!Thus you can modify the pay book examples to your liking. They are there as a guide for you to learn how way tickets work. Try to figure them out in advance as the ticket that you think costs $4.00 at 10 cents way really has 56 ways and costs $5.60 a game, etc, etc. Also, it is god to know how to calculate the ways so that you know the exact payoff in case of computer or writer error. The computer language that is used in most places, despite what you may have been told is GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). This way when you leave the counter you know that your ticket is right if you know in advance how to figure out the ways. When you check in to the hotel get some blank keno tickets and in your room write out some way tickets that you way like and try to figure out the ways before you play.You can mix rates and ticket types om your tickets as well. For example you can play the 10 at the $1 regular rate, the 9s at the 40 cent special rate, the 7s at 50 cents based on the regular rate, and the 6s at the old 70 cent rate if offered. MOST IMPORTANT!, Make sure you mark on the side of your ticket next to the ways which rate you want for that particular number of spots and ways. If not most casinos will default you to the regular rate. Often the casino pay book will have a code for each rate so that you can save space and have enough room to put all the information needed on the ticket. Yes, read the pay book BEFORE you play.Keno writers really appreciate when tickets are written out properly and neatly.They are not from Betazed and cannot read your mind. Make it clear what you wan tp play. The person behind you in line will appreciate it as well. Best of luck!" -
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Hello ogigvens
Welcome to the thread
I like numbers and Video Keno can give a player a lottery every 30 seconds
As you requested here are several straightforward approaches that will work short term
First you might want to look at something very simple, eliminate the numbers picked from the last 3 games & use the last 20 remaining numbers to pick from.
2. Here is some more observation that can easily be risk free back tested , #1 hits, see how soon = #8 or #17 followed by #35 or vice a versa. Again not each & every time but more often then not, better then cold number pics and well above the odds -
3. Although true that guessing winning numbers among 80 twenty is eventually VERY Challenging.... But what about if you have to guess correct 8-9 among 22 numbers? That's far more easily & that reduces the odds dramatically!!! MAKE THIS TEST FOR YOUR LOCAL KENO or by checking free on line with kenousa.com live or w/history of 1000 past performances. (not affiliated with them or any gaming establishment)
4. L@@K @ PREDICTIONS: I put before you special numbers around 360, for your consideration Why are there 360 degrees in a circle? 360 divisible by 18 or 40. Now just for fun, back check keno past performances and see how often #18 #40 appear together, proceed or follow each other. Above the odds, what do you think? This living geo-metric contribution not meant to be filed away but an example to be tried & proved. Look forward to your honest feedback.....
I sell nothing but understand these projections are not linear or standard based math All above contribution are pro bono keno.
Good Luck with test recommendations - will look forward to your fair response report.
Fortes Fortuna & Harmonia Juvat
Eddessa_Knight with Light
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Are you playing live ping pong ball keno, RNG Video Keno or State run Keno?
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Hello ogigvens
Welcome to the thread
I like numbers and Video Keno can give a player a lottery every 30 seconds
As you requested here are several straightforward approaches that will work short term
First you might want to look at something very simple, eliminate the numbers picked from the last 3 games & use the last 20 remaining numbers to pick from.
2. Here is some more observation that can easily be risk free back tested , #1 hits, see how soon = #8 or #17 followed by #35 or vice a versa. Again not each & every time but more often then not, better then cold number pics and well above the odds -
3. Although true that guessing winning numbers among 80 twenty is eventually VERY Challenging.... But what about if you have to guess correct 8-9 among 22 numbers? That's far more easily & that reduces the odds dramatically!!! MAKE THIS TEST FOR YOUR LOCAL KENO or by checking free on line with kenousa.com live or w/history of 1000 past performances. (not affiliated with them or any gaming establishment)
4. L@@K @ PREDICTIONS: I put before you special numbers around 360, for your consideration Why are there 360 degrees in a circle? 360 divisible by 18 or 40. Now just for fun, back check keno past performances and see how often #18 #40 appear together, proceed or follow each other. Above the odds, what do you think? This living geo-metric contribution not meant to be filed away but an example to be tried & proved. Look forward to your honest feedback.....
I sell nothing but understand these projections are not linear or standard based math All above contribution are pro bono keno.
Good Luck with test recommendations - will look forward to your fair response report.
Fortes Fortuna & Harmonia Juvat
Eddessa_Knight with Light
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Are you playing live ping pong ball keno, RNG Video Keno or State run Keno?
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~ KENO Master Presented, with pleasure, to all Keno Aficionados
Fortes Fortuna & Harmonia Juvat
Eddessa_Knight with Light
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Plan with small keno bankroll
June 14, 2016 3:00 AM by Pesach Kremen
"We all want to win as much as we can with a reasonable frequency, even in a long-shot game like keno. We want to have fun but win money, too. The trick is doing all of this when playing without a huge bankroll.
I suggest you use a way ticket that has a lot of ways at the pay amounts you like. Thus, here are a few tickets to try. They work especially well where you have low way ticket minimums.
I have always advocated smaller groups as it is easier to hit fewer rather than more numbers. A 3-2-2-2-1 would give you plenty of options and opportunities to win big.
With this configuration you would have one 10, one 9, three 8, four 7s, four 6s, six 5s, four 4s, four 3s, three 2s, and one 1, a total of 31 ways.
This is verified by the rule for calculating ways: 2 to the nth (n being the number of groups) -1. Thus we have 2 to the 5th -1 = 32-1 = 31. Of course you need not play all the ways; however, if you play a particular number of spots you must play all the ways that number of spots can be made. Thus if you decide to play the 6s, you must play all the ways a 6-spot can be made from this grouping, in this case four of them.
Most casinos will allow a quarter a way if you play 20 ways or more, and many will even allow ways at lesser amounts, provided you play enough ways. Of course, remember pays are proportional to the amount wagered. Remember you are betting real money, not quatloos, thus play at the amount you can afford to lose. (If you are not familiar with quatloos ask Star Trek’s James Tiberias Kirk about his stay on Triskelion.)
I like 5s and up to get a lot of action and would play the 10 at twice the rate of the other ways to come out with an even wager. The 5s and up gives you 19 ways and playing the 10 at twice the rate is the equivalent of 20 ways.
The 5-spot is the smallest number of spots where you get substantial odds (due to the higher odds in hitting it) thus it can be a good value with the proper pay table.
As with other way tickets discussed in prior columns, often when you hit one way solid you will hit other ways as well. Even on scatter pays you should do nicely with hits of 6 or more out of 10, which is not really that hard to get.
The beauty about keno is you can write your tickets in any configuration and amount you desire as long as way ticket minimums are observed, even playing different amounts or different rates for different number of ways played. Great options, so feel free to use them. Keno writers are used to the variety.
If where you are staying does not offer keno to your liking, get on the excellent transit system in both Las Vegas and Reno to the game of your choice. Save all those rental car and other fees for the good meals offered at many casinos and more of a playing bankroll as well.
Other configurations are good as well, such as 3-3-2-1-1 or 2-2-2-2-1-1 or whatever floats your boat (especially if you play on Lake Mead or Lake Tahoe)."
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Thank you for your interest Sunglasses & a warm welcome to the Keno thread
Re: #80; On the practical side without waiting for a 1000 game download; check this 3 number group out : # 24-35-80 ex. back check on past performances and when you see
any two out 0f this group occur in the same game- then play the missing number, i.e., #80 appears #24 also same game = missing #35 outcome within 3 to 7 games. Not each & every time, mind you but happens higher than negative odds expectation. If you desire more on#80 projections- let me know.Another short term solution for your serious consideration:
L@@K @ PREDICTIONS: I put before you special numbers around 360, for your consideration Why are there 360 degrees in a circle? 360 divisible by 18 or 40. Now just for fun, back check keno past performances and see how often#18 #40 appear together, proceed or follow each other. Above the odds, what do you think? This living geo-metric contribution not meant to be filed away but an example to be tried & proved. Look forward to your honest feedback.....
I sell nothing but understand these out of the boc projections are not linear or standard based math All above contribution are pro bono keno.
Good Luck with these no risk back test test recommendations - will look forward to your fair response report.
Fortes Fortuna & Harmonia Juvat
Eddessa_Knight with Light
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Hope the above helps, or that you find the results, at least interesting
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Zeta Reticuli Star System
United States
Member #30,469
January 17, 2006
11,788 Posts
OfflineThose who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.
There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Thank you for your interest Sunglasses & a warm welcome to the Keno thread
Re: #80; On the practical side without waiting for a 1000 game download; check this 3 number group out : # 24-35-80 ex. back check on past performances and when you see
any two out 0f this group occur in the same game- then play the missing number, i.e., #80 appears #24 also same game = missing #35 outcome within 3 to 7 games. Not each & every time, mind you but happens higher than negative odds expectation. If you desire more on#80 projections- let me know.Another short term solution for your serious consideration:
L@@K @ PREDICTIONS: I put before you special numbers around 360, for your consideration Why are there 360 degrees in a circle? 360 divisible by 18 or 40. Now just for fun, back check keno past performances and see how often#18 #40 appear together, proceed or follow each other. Above the odds, what do you think? This living geo-metric contribution not meant to be filed away but an example to be tried & proved. Look forward to your honest feedback.....
I sell nothing but understand these out of the boc projections are not linear or standard based math All above contribution are pro bono keno.
Good Luck with these no risk back test test recommendations - will look forward to your fair response report.
Fortes Fortuna & Harmonia Juvat
Eddessa_Knight with Light
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Hope the above helps, or that you find the results, at least interesting
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Coin, et al-
Appreciate your professional insights & sharing playing & real outcome experiences
Live wagering results are just not the same as computer games
"As silly as it might seem at first, craps is not just a game of cold probabilities and memory-less dice at all times with all shooters. Rather it is a game of ebbs and flows, and rhythms and repetitions." ~ The Captain of Craps
"In all endeavors, in all aspects of life, there are more horses' asses than horses!"~ Frank Scoblete
Dice (always) to you Coin :-)
Eddessa_Knight w/Light
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Hello Sunglasses, et al and Danke Schon for your participation with the test runs for the #18 & #40
Mind youI do not question the statistical accuracy of the standard computation results. So perhaps the non conventional protocols were not clearly stated as non linear math is necessary. Basically we first wait for either 18 or 40 to show & then see how often either numeric or both to reoccur within approx 3 to 8 games is the expectation...specific selected occurrences first. And again not each & every time but better then cold guessing.
Also, I see no evaluation on the #80 combo projection ???
Live games are preferred over RNG as the distribution of fallen numbers differ with selection.
NOTE BENE:
Naturally out of the box game math & thinking is not for everyone but keep in mind overcoming the odds with orthodox negative losing math is a virtual improbable happening, long term.
Viel Gluck & Guten Abend
Fortes Forrtuna & Harmonia Juvat
Eddessa_Knight with Light
