British Columbia Lottery taking bets on US election

Jul 26, 2016, 8:13 am (6,450 comments)

British Columbia Lottery

Who says Canadians can't participate in US elections?

No, they can't vote in US elections, but Canadians can place bets on who is going to win.

The British Columbia Lottery Corporation has been taking bets on the 2016 U.S. election since early last year. It's become the most popular wager in an online gaming category the lottery calls "novelty betting."

The provincial lottery contracts with a global sportsbook based in Ireland to set the odds. BC Lottery spokesman Doug Cheng said the odds of a Donald Trump victory have improved since even last week, but the odds makers still favor a Hillary Clinton victory.

"Donald's Trump's odds are currently 37/20 — in other words, slightly under 2 to 1 — to become the next president," Cheng said. "To put it in perspective, he has closed the gap significantly as his initial odds in January 2015 were 100 to 1."

A $5 bet placed on the Democratic nominee Clinton on Monday would pay out $7.10 if she wins in November. The same bet placed on Republican nominee Trump would pay out $14.25 if he wins.

For at least a few more days, Cheng said Canadians can make a long-shot bet on Democrat Bernie Sanders at 59 to 1 odds.

If you're feeling lucky, know that the BC Lottery limits its U.S. election wagers to its own provincial residents over the age of 19.

"You can't bet, but you can definitely vote, which we can't do up here," Cheng said in telephone interview. "That's a trade-off I guess."

The BC Lottery is also taking bets on which political party will triumph in several key battleground states including Florida, North Carolina and Ohio.

"We have always paid a lot of attention to American elections because we are such close neighbors," Cheng said from Vancouver. "The media interest was really ramped up on this particular election. I think you see that reflected in the wagers we're taking on this novelty betting category. I think this really shows that people in B.C. are intently watching the U.S. election south of the border."

The provincial lotteries in Nova Scotia and Manitoba are also offering online wagers on the American presidential election.

Besides traditional state lottery games, the BCLC operates casinos and a sportsbook. British Columbians can bet on Seattle Seahawks and Seattle Mariners games as well as whether the Oregon Ducks, Washington Huskies or some other university team will win next season's college football championship. Bettors can also wager on who will win gold medals at the Rio 2016 Olympics among other things.

In the United States, online gambling is illegal as is betting on elections. Betting on the outcome of sports contests is legal in Nevada. Political betting has been offered in Britain for decades.

BC Lottery profits fund government services and grants to non-profits, much like state lotteries in the United States.

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Comments

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

OH BOY!!! This thread will be very "interesting". Politics anyone?.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

They know the fix is in ?!

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Put your money on Trump.  KingofTax will appear in 3...2...1...

Albeone

Great article, great idea, have one place to dump the political crap and keep the other threads clean.

Bleudog101

Quote: Originally posted by Albeone on Jul 26, 2016

Great article, great idea, have one place to dump the political crap and keep the other threads clean.

Maybe will play their lottery numbers on Powerball...

sully16's avatarsully16

Went to my class reunion a couple weeks ago, many of the people there I have not seen since the 70's.

The hot topic was not politics, but how the world has changed , and how our kids are growing up .

My son was 2 when Islamic Terrorists flew planes into the world trade center, this is his world to adapt to .

He will never know what was like going to an airport, concert or Hockey game without being searched and scrutinized.

He is living with technology we never dreamed was possible.

Back in our day, the big argument was who's cuter, David Gilmour or Roger Taylor, now everything is an argument.

This Country has gone insane with political correctness, if you disagree, you get a label and depending on the topic, you could be Racist, bigot, hater, homophobe etc.

In our day we watched Little house on the Prairie, the Waltons or a family themed comedy/music show.

Now the TV is filled with reality shows, people in constant conflict, or people living lives that are not even close to real.

Survival shows top the lists.

I guess it doesn't matter who is elected, I was taught to survive long before these shows popped up.

I not only know how to grow food, I hunt, fish and can find food in the forest.

For my son's sake, for the world he has to grow up in, I want a leader who is willing to say and do the things we need, to keep us just a little safer.

Some things you can't control, but we need a leader who can make it harder for those who mean to harm us.

Trump has my vote. US Flag

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Bingo sully!  Things have changed a lot in the last 20 or so years and not all for the better.  Both parties are at fault, that's why I'm voting for the "outsider".   Now....Lets hit that powerball!

destinycreation

I am neither Republican nor Democrat.  I follow my conscience and vote Independent.  I vote how I "feel" based on what options I have to choose from.  I voted for the Bush family twice.  I supported the Bush War.  I also voted for Obama twice.  I decided last year in 2015 that I would never vote for Hillary Clinton.  I considered Donald Trump, until he started running a Hate campaign.  Thus, I have rejected Trump.  I considered Gary Johnson, but I don't agree with some of his political positions, and he seems to hedge on some issues.  I think he would change his mind back and forth like Trump does.  I considered Bernie Sanders, but he always comes across like an Angry, Old, "***" Man.  Talk about temperament.  By process of elimination and default, that leaves Jill Stein of the Green Party.  Thus, I will vote for Jill Stein for President in November 2016.  I know she won't win, but I will continue to follow my conscience and vote Independent of the norm, when I feel that it is necessary. 

If I lived in Canada and were betting on the next US President through the British Columbia Lottery Corporation, I would wager on Donald Trump to win, however, I would vote for Jill Stein for President.

ElinaSammy2081's avatarElinaSammy2081

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

Went to my class reunion a couple weeks ago, many of the people there I have not seen since the 70's.

The hot topic was not politics, but how the world has changed , and how our kids are growing up .

My son was 2 when Islamic Terrorists flew planes into the world trade center, this is his world to adapt to .

He will never know what was like going to an airport, concert or Hockey game without being searched and scrutinized.

He is living with technology we never dreamed was possible.

Back in our day, the big argument was who's cuter, David Gilmour or Roger Taylor, now everything is an argument.

This Country has gone insane with political correctness, if you disagree, you get a label and depending on the topic, you could be Racist, bigot, hater, homophobe etc.

In our day we watched Little house on the Prairie, the Waltons or a family themed comedy/music show.

Now the TV is filled with reality shows, people in constant conflict, or people living lives that are not even close to real.

Survival shows top the lists.

I guess it doesn't matter who is elected, I was taught to survive long before these shows popped up.

I not only know how to grow food, I hunt, fish and can find food in the forest.

For my son's sake, for the world he has to grow up in, I want a leader who is willing to say and do the things we need, to keep us just a little safer.

Some things you can't control, but we need a leader who can make it harder for those who mean to harm us.

Trump has my vote. US Flag

I Agree! I remember those days and cherish them. I wish my children could of experience how it was back than. It's so sad what is happening in our country. 

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

Went to my class reunion a couple weeks ago, many of the people there I have not seen since the 70's.

The hot topic was not politics, but how the world has changed , and how our kids are growing up .

My son was 2 when Islamic Terrorists flew planes into the world trade center, this is his world to adapt to .

He will never know what was like going to an airport, concert or Hockey game without being searched and scrutinized.

He is living with technology we never dreamed was possible.

Back in our day, the big argument was who's cuter, David Gilmour or Roger Taylor, now everything is an argument.

This Country has gone insane with political correctness, if you disagree, you get a label and depending on the topic, you could be Racist, bigot, hater, homophobe etc.

In our day we watched Little house on the Prairie, the Waltons or a family themed comedy/music show.

Now the TV is filled with reality shows, people in constant conflict, or people living lives that are not even close to real.

Survival shows top the lists.

I guess it doesn't matter who is elected, I was taught to survive long before these shows popped up.

I not only know how to grow food, I hunt, fish and can find food in the forest.

For my son's sake, for the world he has to grow up in, I want a leader who is willing to say and do the things we need, to keep us just a little safer.

Some things you can't control, but we need a leader who can make it harder for those who mean to harm us.

Trump has my vote. US Flag

Australia has very strong gun control laws: 0 mass shootings each year.

The US has no gun control laws: hundreds of mass shootings each year. 

Pretty clear what the President and congress would need to do.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Jul 26, 2016

I am neither Republican nor Democrat.  I follow my conscience and vote Independent.  I vote how I "feel" based on what options I have to choose from.  I voted for the Bush family twice.  I supported the Bush War.  I also voted for Obama twice.  I decided last year in 2015 that I would never vote for Hillary Clinton.  I considered Donald Trump, until he started running a Hate campaign.  Thus, I have rejected Trump.  I considered Gary Johnson, but I don't agree with some of his political positions, and he seems to hedge on some issues.  I think he would change his mind back and forth like Trump does.  I considered Bernie Sanders, but he always comes across like an Angry, Old, "***" Man.  Talk about temperament.  By process of elimination and default, that leaves Jill Stein of the Green Party.  Thus, I will vote for Jill Stein for President in November 2016.  I know she won't win, but I will continue to follow my conscience and vote Independent of the norm, when I feel that it is necessary. 

If I lived in Canada and were betting on the next US President through the British Columbia Lottery Corporation, I would wager on Donald Trump to win, however, I would vote for Jill Stein for President.

I Agree! With your second paragraph

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Jul 26, 2016

OH BOY!!! This thread will be very "interesting". Politics anyone?.

No doubt- after Todd cleaned house of politics than invaded a thread a little while ago, this should please those who are into politics big time. 

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

Australia has very strong gun control laws: 0 mass shootings each year.

The US has no gun control laws: hundreds of mass shootings each year. 

Pretty clear what the President and congress would need to do.

They still have violent crimes despite the gun buy back program, murder is murder, you don't need a gun.

Move there, If you don't like it here then leave.

Since your Mister History, tell all the good folks why Japan never invaded us after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

The Emperor wanted a ground invasion until he was told everyone  here has a gun.

You are so willing to give up your rights...You are willing to become a subject instead of a citizen.

You want other peoples rights to be taken away, you can't see they are also yours.

You are not a survivor.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

Australia has very strong gun control laws: 0 mass shootings each year.

The US has no gun control laws: hundreds of mass shootings each year. 

Pretty clear what the President and congress would need to do.

The US has hundreds of mass shootings each year?  Please go ahead and choose one year and run down the "hundreds" of mass shootings that occurred.

And to say that Australia has no mass shootings is wrong, sorry to burst your bubble.

Besides, if there're no guns available, murderers and terrorists just find another way to kill people.  The 84 killed in France by the truck driver terrorist is just one example. 

The only thing a gun ban does is take guns out of the common law-abiding citizens' hands.  Makes people easy pickings for murderers and terrorists.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

They still have violent crimes despite the gun buy back program, murder is murder, you don't need a gun.

Move there, If you don't like it here then leave.

Since your Mister History, tell all the good folks why Japan never invaded us after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

The Emperor wanted a ground invasion until he was told everyone  here has a gun.

You are so willing to give up your rights...You are willing to become a subject instead of a citizen.

You want other peoples rights to be taken away, you can't see they are also yours.

You are not a survivor.

You think i play the lottery to win $4? The whole point of me playing the lottery is to get enough money to abandon the United States (although Portland is my fav place in the US) and move to one of five countries (Australia, New Zealand, Canada,Britain or Israel).

The whole point of Pearl Harbor was to delay the US buildup as they bogged down in China and couldn't spare much men to fight the US. You love to spew whatever nonsense you read on " Totally Legitimate Lizard People Network".

ANTONIO1109's avatarANTONIO1109

Sully I'm surprised that you have weighed in this on this thread. I think you should have kept that to yourself. And now that you have weighed in it shows what your political affiliation is and it also will show that you and your party and people like you don't understand the everyday Americans who gets looked down upon by the millionaires and billionaries and it will not fly with the American people.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 26, 2016

The US has hundreds of mass shootings each year?  Please go ahead and choose one year and run down the "hundreds" of mass shootings that occurred.

And to say that Australia has no mass shootings is wrong, sorry to burst your bubble.

Besides, if there're no guns available, murderers and terrorists just find another way to kill people.  The 84 killed in France by the truck driver terrorist is just one example. 

The only thing a gun ban does is take guns out of the common law-abiding citizens' hands.  Makes people easy pickings for murderers and terrorists.

From the start of 2016 to today there have been 207 mass shootings 

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ 

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 years

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091

gun bans are stupid, we need real gun control 

one gun shop per congressional district, you must use the one in your district

You must show verified proof of identity, including your birth certificate, passport, and licence

Ban all non-citizens, those with any criminal record,  and those under 21 from buying a gun

100% tax on all firearms and bullets 

  Mandatory 60 day waiting period for each gun purchased.

Mandatory 3 visits to atleast 2 psychiatrists who will verify you are mentally capable of owning a gun at your own expense

No more than 20 rounds can be purchased by an individual

If bringing a weapon outside your district, you must notify the law enforcement in the area you are going to.

Terrorism kills almost no one in comparison to "regular" criminals and mass shooters. The more difficult you make buying it, the less likely they'll be able to get one. 

I know it'll never happen but this would end gun violence as we know it.

Long Odds

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Jul 26, 2016

I am neither Republican nor Democrat.  I follow my conscience and vote Independent.  I vote how I "feel" based on what options I have to choose from.  I voted for the Bush family twice.  I supported the Bush War.  I also voted for Obama twice.  I decided last year in 2015 that I would never vote for Hillary Clinton.  I considered Donald Trump, until he started running a Hate campaign.  Thus, I have rejected Trump.  I considered Gary Johnson, but I don't agree with some of his political positions, and he seems to hedge on some issues.  I think he would change his mind back and forth like Trump does.  I considered Bernie Sanders, but he always comes across like an Angry, Old, "***" Man.  Talk about temperament.  By process of elimination and default, that leaves Jill Stein of the Green Party.  Thus, I will vote for Jill Stein for President in November 2016.  I know she won't win, but I will continue to follow my conscience and vote Independent of the norm, when I feel that it is necessary. 

If I lived in Canada and were betting on the next US President through the British Columbia Lottery Corporation, I would wager on Donald Trump to win, however, I would vote for Jill Stein for President.

I admire what I perceive as your stated desire to vote your conscience after discernment. Presumably, part of your decision making process includes informing yourself in an unbiased manner- after all isn't that the great banner of the "independent" voter, that they are the only group able to cut through the Republican and Democrat party claptrap to make an intelligent voting choice. What baffles me is that you label Trump as running a "Hate campaign"; talk about falling into the trap of the crap that the media and Democrat party always place upon the Republican nominee, no matter who it is and which election cycle it is. Seems to me that a critique of Trump may rightfully lead one to conclude that he is not a tried and true Republican and/or that his positions on many issues seem to have evolved/changed over time, but hateful?  Everyone recognizes that America has millions of foreign born persons living here without legal status; Trump is a hater because he has stated his desire to stop this illegal action for future persons that would disregard American immigration laws and to also punish in some manner those that are already here illegally? If you are a country without enforceable borders and enforceable laws, what kind of country are you? Further, his stated position to thoroughly vet refugees to insure to the best of our ability that we are not allowing anyone into the country that would cause us harm is hateful?  I wish you success in your quest to make an intelligent voting choice but it is my opinion you have more work to do to arrive at an unbiased choice.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

From the start of 2016 to today there have been 207 mass shootings 

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ 

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 years

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091

gun bans are stupid, we need real gun control 

one gun shop per congressional district, you must use the one in your district

You must show verified proof of identity, including your birth certificate, passport, and licence

Ban all non-citizens, those with any criminal record,  and those under 21 from buying a gun

100% tax on all firearms and bullets 

  Mandatory 60 day waiting period for each gun purchased.

Mandatory 3 visits to atleast 2 psychiatrists who will verify you are mentally capable of owning a gun at your own expense

No more than 20 rounds can be purchased by an individual

If bringing a weapon outside your district, you must notify the law enforcement in the area you are going to.

Terrorism kills almost no one in comparison to "regular" criminals and mass shooters. The more difficult you make buying it, the less likely they'll be able to get one. 

I know it'll never happen but this would end gun violence as we know it.

That anti-gun website does not follow the common definition of a mass shooting, and is simply propaganda for anti-gun people.  Like you.

Hopefully you don't face a murderer on your front porch while waiting 60 days for your firearm.  Because the murderer didn't have to wait when they got their illegal firearm.

All of the various things in your post are stepping stones to a complete ban.  Not happening in this country.  Deal with it.

bigbear29

Put your money on Hillary.  Hillary has the Hispanic, Black and White (except for some of the male white voters) voters.  Even corporations are pulling away from trump.  There was no one special at the RNC convention, oh wait, Scott Baio (chachi) was there.

Bleudog101

I hate politics on LP and this story is really stirring up the hornet's nest.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

From the start of 2016 to today there have been 207 mass shootings 

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ 

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 years

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091

gun bans are stupid, we need real gun control 

one gun shop per congressional district, you must use the one in your district

You must show verified proof of identity, including your birth certificate, passport, and licence

Ban all non-citizens, those with any criminal record,  and those under 21 from buying a gun

100% tax on all firearms and bullets 

  Mandatory 60 day waiting period for each gun purchased.

Mandatory 3 visits to atleast 2 psychiatrists who will verify you are mentally capable of owning a gun at your own expense

No more than 20 rounds can be purchased by an individual

If bringing a weapon outside your district, you must notify the law enforcement in the area you are going to.

Terrorism kills almost no one in comparison to "regular" criminals and mass shooters. The more difficult you make buying it, the less likely they'll be able to get one. 

I know it'll never happen but this would end gun violence as we know it.

I have the solution...Anyone who uses a gun in a criminal act and takes a life should receive the death penalty.  And it should be carried out within two weeks.  That would solve the repeat offender problem.  Had a gun in my home for years and it hasn't shot anyone yet.  Looks like we have a people problem not a gun problem huh?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 26, 2016

Put your money on Hillary.  Hillary has the Hispanic, Black and White (except for some of the male white voters) voters.  Even corporations are pulling away from trump.  There was no one special at the RNC convention, oh wait, Scott Baio (chachi) was there.

Keep smoking that weed bigbear.  Crazy

noise-gate

As a friend of mine jokingly says " Guns are too loud. I prefer a machete. No 60 days background check waiting period."

bigbear29

Sorry, my smoking days are over.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 26, 2016

Sorry, my smoking days are over.

Haha...So are mine.

bigbear29

Somedays, LiveInGreenBay, I wish it was not over.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 26, 2016

Somedays, LiveInGreenBay, I wish it was not over.

Yea, but we're smarter than that now.

faber98

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

From the start of 2016 to today there have been 207 mass shootings 

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ 

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 years

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091

gun bans are stupid, we need real gun control 

one gun shop per congressional district, you must use the one in your district

You must show verified proof of identity, including your birth certificate, passport, and licence

Ban all non-citizens, those with any criminal record,  and those under 21 from buying a gun

100% tax on all firearms and bullets 

  Mandatory 60 day waiting period for each gun purchased.

Mandatory 3 visits to atleast 2 psychiatrists who will verify you are mentally capable of owning a gun at your own expense

No more than 20 rounds can be purchased by an individual

If bringing a weapon outside your district, you must notify the law enforcement in the area you are going to.

Terrorism kills almost no one in comparison to "regular" criminals and mass shooters. The more difficult you make buying it, the less likely they'll be able to get one. 

I know it'll never happen but this would end gun violence as we know it.

every graduating high school student should be given "free of charge" not one but two guns. now that is real gun control.

destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by Long Odds on Jul 26, 2016

I admire what I perceive as your stated desire to vote your conscience after discernment. Presumably, part of your decision making process includes informing yourself in an unbiased manner- after all isn't that the great banner of the "independent" voter, that they are the only group able to cut through the Republican and Democrat party claptrap to make an intelligent voting choice. What baffles me is that you label Trump as running a "Hate campaign"; talk about falling into the trap of the crap that the media and Democrat party always place upon the Republican nominee, no matter who it is and which election cycle it is. Seems to me that a critique of Trump may rightfully lead one to conclude that he is not a tried and true Republican and/or that his positions on many issues seem to have evolved/changed over time, but hateful?  Everyone recognizes that America has millions of foreign born persons living here without legal status; Trump is a hater because he has stated his desire to stop this illegal action for future persons that would disregard American immigration laws and to also punish in some manner those that are already here illegally? If you are a country without enforceable borders and enforceable laws, what kind of country are you? Further, his stated position to thoroughly vet refugees to insure to the best of our ability that we are not allowing anyone into the country that would cause us harm is hateful?  I wish you success in your quest to make an intelligent voting choice but it is my opinion you have more work to do to arrive at an unbiased choice.

I actually agree with Trump about the Immigration problem, both as it pertains to the Middle East and the Mexican/American border.  However, Trump has sabotaged his own public image, calling his character into question. I also question whether or not some of his new policy ideas can pass through both the Congress and the Senate, or is he going to experience serious "stonewall" like previous Presidents.  [We already know the answer to this.]  The job of US President is a serious Reality Check for anyone. 

As long as he doesn't come up with some STUPID Idea that affects the American State Lotteries, I suppose we will have to suffer through 4 years of President Trump. 

One thing that does concern me though, is his idea to cut back on funding to the US Department of Education.  A lot of college students depend on Federal Financial Aid to attend College.  Not every state is using money from the state lottery to fund student college tuition  to the extent that they should or could.  In some states like SC, lottery funding only kicks in after certain types of Federal Financial Aid or other State Financial Aid, and lottery money can only be used for certain college expenses, not for any or everything related to college.

The following comes from a local College website [Community College] pertaining to the use of Lottery Money to fund College Tuition Expenses:

"The amount you can use toward tuition and fee charges is based on the amount of these charges remaining on your account after Federal Pell Grant, FSEOG, SCNBG and NGCAP have been applied to your student account. If you receive a LIFE Scholarship or a tuition waiver, you will not receive LTAP. If your tuition and fees are paid by VA, you will not receive the LTAP award. [LTAP = Lottery Tuition Assistance Program]

  • LTAP will be applied to your student account before any SCC scholarship, outside scholarship or Federal Direct Loan award(s) so that you can use these award(s) for books or receive a cash disbursement.
  • LTAP cannot be used for books, supplies or be disbursed to you by check.
  • Award amounts are determined by the State each semester and are subject to change."

 

Bullet points #1 & #2 seem to contradict each other. 

In the city where I live at, for some reason [???], only the local Community Colleges are receiving State Lottery Assistance.  The local 4 year Colleges are Not.

 

In any case, if Federal College funding is cut, where does that leave the states and students who cannot otherwise afford a College Education.

I really don't think Donald Trump has given some of his ideas any in depth contemplation.  He is only looking at the "larger picture" [Balance the Budget], but we live our lives by "daily snapshots" of the larger picture, and each person's larger picture is DIFFERENT.

Donald Trump could potentially ruin the "larger picture" for students who can't afford a College Education without Federal Financial Aid, b/c state lottery assisted funding for College is suspect in some states.

MaximumMillions

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 26, 2016

The sky-is-falling junk commentary about Trump is similar to the he's-dangerous junk commentary that Reagan received during the 1980 campaign vs. Carter.  (For those of us old enough to remember that.)

It's ironic that all the people going around saying how "scary" Trump is are the very people doing the fear mongering themselves.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 26, 2016

The sky-is-falling junk commentary about Trump is similar to the he's-dangerous junk commentary that Reagan received during the 1980 campaign vs. Carter.  (For those of us old enough to remember that.)

It's ironic that all the people going around saying how "scary" Trump is are the very people doing the fear mongering themselves.

Personally, I'm not fear-mongering, I'm observing.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 26, 2016

Personally, I'm not fear-mongering, I'm observing.

No, posting that junk commentary tweet was fear mongering.  If you were observing you would have read it without re-posting it here.  You are participating.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 26, 2016

No, posting that junk commentary tweet was fear mongering.  If you were observing you would have read it without re-posting it here.  You are participating.

Todd, you are very Doloris Umbridge today. No fun.Poke

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 26, 2016

Todd, you are very Doloris Umbridge today. No fun.Poke

At least you didn't call me Voldemort.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 26, 2016

At least you didn't call me Voldemort.

Shhhh, we don't say his name Wink

noise-gate

Trump is by far the greatest Teflon candidate for president we have ever seen.Lesser politicians would have been history for saying the following:

We Need a Wall. McCain is no hero.

Say what you will,  the guy has a pair.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Don't worry Mr,Trump is going to WIN BIG I Agree! Hurray! PartyPatriotUS Flag

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Jul 26, 2016

Don't worry Mr,Trump is going to WIN BIG I Agree! Hurray! PartyPatriotUS Flag

Convential wisdom says " if a person tells you not to worry, it's best to prepare yourself to do just that : worry. The Russians told the world " don't worry, we have the Chernobyl Nuclear site under control..

Don't worry - right!

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

You think i play the lottery to win $4? The whole point of me playing the lottery is to get enough money to abandon the United States (although Portland is my fav place in the US) and move to one of five countries (Australia, New Zealand, Canada,Britain or Israel).

The whole point of Pearl Harbor was to delay the US buildup as they bogged down in China and couldn't spare much men to fight the US. You love to spew whatever nonsense you read on " Totally Legitimate Lizard People Network".

If you really want out that bad

you could take a bus to Canada...don't need a lottery win for that.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Jul 26, 2016

Don't worry Mr,Trump is going to WIN BIG I Agree! Hurray! PartyPatriotUS Flag

Omg. For once I agree with you.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jul 26, 2016

The sky-is-falling junk commentary about Trump is similar to the he's-dangerous junk commentary that Reagan received during the 1980 campaign vs. Carter.  (For those of us old enough to remember that.)

It's ironic that all the people going around saying how "scary" Trump is are the very people doing the fear mongering themselves.

A perfect response. Reagan was unfairly demonized.

 

 We have this woman in my office who does zero work all day  and posts vile anti Trump statements on Twitter all day long while telling us how hip and liberal she is. And no, she is not young and everyone hates her since she is the biggest bigot of all. Yet I would never consider posting things about Hillary.

And I know the tide has turned when another ranting neighbor at my bus stop could not even speak when she saw the most recent Trump polls.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by ANTONIO1109 on Jul 26, 2016

Sully I'm surprised that you have weighed in this on this thread. I think you should have kept that to yourself. And now that you have weighed in it shows what your political affiliation is and it also will show that you and your party and people like you don't understand the everyday Americans who gets looked down upon by the millionaires and billionaries and it will not fly with the American people.

LOL Guess you haven't been here long enough to know me, most know I am conservative.

I understand everyday people very well, I know many millionaires , most are self made and have hearts of gold and are very generous. Yes, some people are very snobby, poor people are snotty mean and rude as well. Depends on how you were raised.

You have a biased media pounding the Class wars into your head. You are here because you want to win the lottery and become rich, will it change who you are?

Good rule of thumb, never judge a book by it's bank account and if you really want to soil yourself, go read my blogs.

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Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

You think i play the lottery to win $4? The whole point of me playing the lottery is to get enough money to abandon the United States (although Portland is my fav place in the US) and move to one of five countries (Australia, New Zealand, Canada,Britain or Israel).

The whole point of Pearl Harbor was to delay the US buildup as they bogged down in China and couldn't spare much men to fight the US. You love to spew whatever nonsense you read on " Totally Legitimate Lizard People Network".

They couldn't spare much men, The South Pacific was loaded with Japanese soldiers, Pearl Harbor is was got us into the war, we actually helped China and everyone else.

Please, tell me why they attacked us in the first place, can't wait the hear this.

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Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

You think i play the lottery to win $4? The whole point of me playing the lottery is to get enough money to abandon the United States (although Portland is my fav place in the US) and move to one of five countries (Australia, New Zealand, Canada,Britain or Israel).

The whole point of Pearl Harbor was to delay the US buildup as they bogged down in China and couldn't spare much men to fight the US. You love to spew whatever nonsense you read on " Totally Legitimate Lizard People Network".

PS, Get a job and save your money, ta da... then you can move.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by haymaker on Jul 26, 2016

If you really want out that bad

you could take a bus to Canada...don't need a lottery win for that.

And then what? Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans?As a leftist i actually believe in paying my own bills and finding a job would be monstrously hard, not even counting any issues related to not being a citizen.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

LOL Guess you haven't been here long enough to know me, most know I am conservative.

I understand everyday people very well, I know many millionaires , most are self made and have hearts of gold and are very generous. Yes, some people are very snobby, poor people are snotty mean and rude as well. Depends on how you were raised.

You have a biased media pounding the Class wars into your head. You are here because you want to win the lottery and become rich, will it change who you are?

Good rule of thumb, never judge a book by it's bank account and if you really want to soil yourself, go read my blogs.

You are not a conservative. Conservatives are Obama, Mccain, Romney, etc. You are an Anarco-Capitalist, VERY DIFFERENT.

You look down on those millionaires as you MUST have been born into extreme wealth in order to be this ignorant and selfish.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

They couldn't spare much men, The South Pacific was loaded with Japanese soldiers, Pearl Harbor is was got us into the war, we actually helped China and everyone else.

Please, tell me why they attacked us in the first place, can't wait the hear this.

I'm not 100% sure on this but I'm fairly confident that EVERY battle between the US and Japan saw the US outnumber the Japanese by ridiculous amounts. I might be wrong on one oe two but it was good old vast numbers that led to the US victories in most places. I already explained why they did it, they did it to cripple the US fleet before the US had a chance to declare war and attack.

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

The bottom line on why I voted Trump in the primary and will in November.

A vote for ANY other candidate Rep or Dem would be a vote to continue down the same road we have been traveling for years.

Trump is different. He cannot be bought.

Time for someone different. Voting for the same type of politician and expecting different results is insanity.

JAMORA's avatarJAMORA

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 26, 2016

The bottom line on why I voted Trump in the primary and will in November.

A vote for ANY other candidate Rep or Dem would be a vote to continue down the same road we have been traveling for years.

Trump is different. He cannot be bought.

Time for someone different. Voting for the same type of politician and expecting different results is insanity.

I Agree!

 

That being said, I have about as much faith in voting machines not being rigged as  some do about lottery drawings....lol

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

I'm not 100% sure on this but I'm fairly confident that EVERY battle between the US and Japan saw the US outnumber the Japanese by ridiculous amounts. I might be wrong on one oe two but it was good old vast numbers that led to the US victories in most places. I already explained why they did it, they did it to cripple the US fleet before the US had a chance to declare war and attack.

Your post is ridiculous.

Stop reading revisionist history and deal with facts instead of spouting your opinion on things you know so little about. 

WW II Major Pacific Battles

If you can't figure it out look at the casualty figures for both sides.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 26, 2016

Your post is ridiculous.

Stop reading revisionist history and deal with facts instead of spouting your opinion on things you know so little about. 

WW II Major Pacific Battles

If you can't figure it out look at the casualty figures for both sides.

Causalty figures do NOT equal the number of troops in combat. I assumed any 3rd grader would be able to understand that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur 10,000 US vs 1,400 Japanese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan 120,000  US vs 70,000 Japanese, and this was early when Japan had some man power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu 47,000 US vs 11,000 Japanese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore 85,000 British vs 36,000 Japanese, another early battle.

ronki

US Flag  8 years of the Clinton's was enough all she wants is the Power  What's Bill going to be the first Bubba  Trump all the way

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 26, 2016

The bottom line on why I voted Trump in the primary and will in November.

A vote for ANY other candidate Rep or Dem would be a vote to continue down the same road we have been traveling for years.

Trump is different. He cannot be bought.

Time for someone different. Voting for the same type of politician and expecting different results is insanity.

He can't be bought because no donor is buying. The whole point of picking Pence was and is to get the Kochs to support Trump as Trump can't afford a run on his own ( Most of his wealth is in real estate and other non-cash things that are not easy to liquidate). Jill Stein for President 2016!!!

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

I'm not 100% sure on this but I'm fairly confident that EVERY battle between the US and Japan saw the US outnumber the Japanese by ridiculous amounts. I might be wrong on one oe two but it was good old vast numbers that led to the US victories in most places. I already explained why they did it, they did it to cripple the US fleet before the US had a chance to declare war and attack.

First things first.

  1. They new we would soon join the war.
  2. They thought they could destroy our Naval fleet, they obviously didn't know about our East coast Naval Fleet.
  3. Boy did they under estimate us.
  4. Yes, they gave it half a thought on invading us, but we got guns.
sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 27, 2016

Causalty figures do NOT equal the number of troops in combat. I assumed any 3rd grader would be able to understand that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur 10,000 US vs 1,400 Japanese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan 120,000  US vs 70,000 Japanese, and this was early when Japan had some man power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu 47,000 US vs 11,000 Japanese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore 85,000 British vs 36,000 Japanese, another early battle.

You need to stop getting info on line, you can watch the actual footage of many battles on the history channel.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

You are not a conservative. Conservatives are Obama, Mccain, Romney, etc. You are an Anarco-Capitalist, VERY DIFFERENT.

You look down on those millionaires as you MUST have been born into extreme wealth in order to be this ignorant and selfish.

Obama Conservative, omg No way, not one Conservative bone in his body.

Born into extreme wealth, rotflmao , Don't know many Chippewa's born with a silver spoon.

There is nothing in any of my statements that even comes close to looking down on Millionaires.

So in your mind, anyone who doesn't want to give away their hard earned money is ignorant and selfish.

So basically all you want is an oppressive bloated Government to take away other peoples hard earned money and give it to you. So sorry you cannot stand on your own 2 feet and make it in this world.

I hope you move to Canada, and get eaten by a bear or wolf because you don't believe in guns.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 26, 2016

And then what? Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans?As a leftist i actually believe in paying my own bills and finding a job would be monstrously hard, not even counting any issues related to not being a citizen.

86 % of people on welfare are Democrats.

You believe in paying your own bills, lol You are full of excuses, full of %$#@!

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 27, 2016

He can't be bought because no donor is buying. The whole point of picking Pence was and is to get the Kochs to support Trump as Trump can't afford a run on his own ( Most of his wealth is in real estate and other non-cash things that are not easy to liquidate). Jill Stein for President 2016!!!

I agree with many of your points, however, as I understand Stein hasn't even published her 12 point (or however many) plan, while Sanders and Clinton did so last November (?) ? That does not inspire confidence.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 27, 2016

Causalty figures do NOT equal the number of troops in combat. I assumed any 3rd grader would be able to understand that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur 10,000 US vs 1,400 Japanese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan 120,000  US vs 70,000 Japanese, and this was early when Japan had some man power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu 47,000 US vs 11,000 Japanese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore 85,000 British vs 36,000 Japanese, another early battle.

What are you going to tell us next, Kingofearth? That the defenders of the Alamo greatly outnumbered Santa Ana and his army?

Bang Head

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Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 27, 2016

What are you going to tell us next, Kingofearth? That the defenders of the Alamo greatly outnumbered Santa Ana and his army?

Bang Head

Davy Crockett didn't really exist. We made him up to sell hats and help the fat cats get rich.Green laugh

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 27, 2016

First things first.

  1. They new we would soon join the war.
  2. They thought they could destroy our Naval fleet, they obviously didn't know about our East coast Naval Fleet.
  3. Boy did they under estimate us.
  4. Yes, they gave it half a thought on invading us, but we got guns.

The first is correct, the rest of what you said is lizard people garbage.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 27, 2016

The first is correct, the rest of what you said is lizard people garbage.

Someone woke up grumpy.Green laugh

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 27, 2016

You need to stop getting info on line, you can watch the actual footage of many battles on the history channel.

Which show overwhelming numbers of Americans against vastly oitnumbered Japanese. Unless they're Hollywood movies.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 27, 2016

Obama Conservative, omg No way, not one Conservative bone in his body.

Born into extreme wealth, rotflmao , Don't know many Chippewa's born with a silver spoon.

There is nothing in any of my statements that even comes close to looking down on Millionaires.

So in your mind, anyone who doesn't want to give away their hard earned money is ignorant and selfish.

So basically all you want is an oppressive bloated Government to take away other peoples hard earned money and give it to you. So sorry you cannot stand on your own 2 feet and make it in this world.

I hope you move to Canada, and get eaten by a bear or wolf because you don't believe in guns.

Obama's signature piece of legislation is the far-right Heritage Foundations health care proposal from the 90's called" the affordable care act". Obama came into office an extreme homophobe but thankfully changed his mind. Obama has done nothing on guns but sign bills to REDUCE gun control. He is a center-right moderate conservative. You are an anarchist-capitalist, simple as that. I'd rather a bloated government that makes sure there isn't mass starvation and death over a complete lack of government.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 27, 2016

I agree with many of your points, however, as I understand Stein hasn't even published her 12 point (or however many) plan, while Sanders and Clinton did so last November (?) ? That does not inspire confidence.

I'm pretty sure she published a plan when she ran in 2012 and she's just using her old plan.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 27, 2016

What are you going to tell us next, Kingofearth? That the defenders of the Alamo greatly outnumbered Santa Ana and his army?

Bang Head

I deal in facts, it is a basic fact that the Mrxicsn army vastly outnumbered the defenders.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 27, 2016

Davy Crockett didn't really exist. We made him up to sell hats and help the fat cats get rich.Green laugh

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 27, 2016

Obama's signature piece of legislation is the far-right Heritage Foundations health care proposal from the 90's called" the affordable care act". Obama came into office an extreme homophobe but thankfully changed his mind. Obama has done nothing on guns but sign bills to REDUCE gun control. He is a center-right moderate conservative. You are an anarchist-capitalist, simple as that. I'd rather a bloated government that makes sure there isn't mass starvation and death over a complete lack of government.

That is all non sense, mass starvation, we throw away half the food we grow cause of Government rules and regulations.

When I not wondering aimlessly through my mansion, I work in a food service store, Because of Government over reach, much of the produce is thrown away before it even starts to blemish, we can donate everything but raw meats, fish and poultry, that gets thrown away. That stuff must go into a lockable can so no one can steal it.

Now I have to go organize the household help, lol

SoleWinner21

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 26, 2016

The bottom line on why I voted Trump in the primary and will in November.

A vote for ANY other candidate Rep or Dem would be a vote to continue down the same road we have been traveling for years.

Trump is different. He cannot be bought.

Time for someone different. Voting for the same type of politician and expecting different results is insanity.

That orange buffoon is no different than any other politicians. You seriously think he can, or will be able to deliver on the promises that he said he could. He just spewed  a bunch of BS to get the nominee.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by SoleWinner21 on Jul 27, 2016

That orange buffoon is no different than any other politicians. You seriously think he can, or will be able to deliver on the promises that he said he could. He just spewed  a bunch of BS to get the nominee.

Taking a line from the movie" Shawshank Redemption" this colossal Pr***  this morning praised Russian hackers for getting to his opponent's emails. Both parties make promises that they know they cannot keep, but the BS continues.  Prior to joining LP,  l was a regular in a  political forum- the nonsense practiced back then by politicians has not changed, it's worse.Puke

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Jul 27, 2016

Taking a line from the movie" Shawshank Redemption" this colossal Pr***  this morning praised Russian hackers for getting to his opponent's emails. Both parties make promises that they know they cannot keep, but the BS continues.  Prior to joining LP,  l was a regular in a  political forum- the nonsense practiced back then by politicians has not changed, it's worse.Puke

Somebody was praising the Harding/Coolidge administrations and that reminded me they were followed by Hoover and the stock market crash in 1929. It also reminded me of Archie and Edith Bunker singing "We could use a man like Herbert Hoover again". To tie this all together, lots of stuff Donald Trump says are IMO something an Archie Bunker might say.

Trump says many things that I believe are meant to be outrageous that many Americans relate to whether they believe Trump can do it or not.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 27, 2016

Somebody was praising the Harding/Coolidge administrations and that reminded me they were followed by Hoover and the stock market crash in 1929. It also reminded me of Archie and Edith Bunker singing "We could use a man like Herbert Hoover again". To tie this all together, lots of stuff Donald Trump says are IMO something an Archie Bunker might say.

Trump says many things that I believe are meant to be outrageous that many Americans relate to whether they believe Trump can do it or not.

Hmm, no Stack.Archer B was a comedy,  this scenario is hardly it. There was no Internet in Hoover or Bunkers time to hack into.The point l am trying to make is, when does one take this guy serious or is it " just having fun. "

**Remember the line in Tombstone where Ringo says  " l was just fooling about, at which doc says " l wasn't. " It cost him his life. 

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by SoleWinner21 on Jul 27, 2016

That orange buffoon is no different than any other politicians. You seriously think he can, or will be able to deliver on the promises that he said he could. He just spewed  a bunch of BS to get the nominee.

Hey dummy...He's not a politician.  He's worth 10 billion bucks and doesn't need to do this.  IMO he's going to change things for the better.  On the other hand, Hillary has been a politician for over 40 years and she will just be the same ol same ol.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 27, 2016

Hey dummy...He's not a politician.  He's worth 10 billion bucks and doesn't need to do this.  IMO he's going to change things for the better.  On the other hand, Hillary has been a politician for over 40 years and she will just be the same ol same ol.

Actually we don't know if his worth $10 mil LiGB- he says so, Mr C who is a billionaire of the mavericks thinks otherwise. Nevertheless it's besides the point. We once had a wrestler in MN & a bodybuilder in CA as governors.Need l remind you that Arnold has a business degree as well. It would be good for you to check their record on how well they did....Just saying. 

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 27, 2016

Hey dummy...He's not a politician.  He's worth 10 billion bucks and doesn't need to do this.  IMO he's going to change things for the better.  On the other hand, Hillary has been a politician for over 40 years and she will just be the same ol same ol.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/top-ten-reasons-to-doubt-trump-is-even-a-billionaire

Hillary has been a politician for the past 16 years. Being the spouse of a politician does NOT mean you are a politician.

bigbear29

Yes SoleWinner21, I agree with you 100% !  He does not think before he opens his mouth.  And, where is his taxes!  He's hiding something.  He's not going to do not one thing if he gets into office, except look out for the rich.  His clothes are made overseas, so he's not going to bring jobs back.  He's going to be the biggest disappointment.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 26, 2016

The bottom line on why I voted Trump in the primary and will in November.

A vote for ANY other candidate Rep or Dem would be a vote to continue down the same road we have been traveling for years.

Trump is different. He cannot be bought.

Time for someone different. Voting for the same type of politician and expecting different results is insanity.

Amen. I love lottery post!

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 27, 2016

Yes SoleWinner21, I agree with you 100% !  He does not think before he opens his mouth.  And, where is his taxes!  He's hiding something.  He's not going to do not one thing if he gets into office, except look out for the rich.  His clothes are made overseas, so he's not going to bring jobs back.  He's going to be the biggest disappointment.

Regardless of your political affiliation- this line is a doozy.

" His clothes are made overseas, so he's not going to bring jobs back!" LOL

bigbear29

Well, he's not going to bring jobs back to the USA.  IT's just a whole lot of talk from trump.  The wall that Mexico is going to pay for, not going to happen.  People state that the Dems have not done any, but the Repubs were the first ones to step up to say that they were not going to work with President Obama.  And now, a lot of the repubs don't like trump.  Nothing is going to get done.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Jul 27, 2016

Hmm, no Stack.Archer B was a comedy,  this scenario is hardly it. There was no Internet in Hoover or Bunkers time to hack into.The point l am trying to make is, when does one take this guy serious or is it " just having fun. "

**Remember the line in Tombstone where Ringo says  " l was just fooling about, at which doc says " l wasn't. " It cost him his life. 

 “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, They probably have them. I’d like to have them released.”

While Archie Bunker was a fictional character, many people related to what he said and those who watched All in the Family say "sounds like something Archie Bunker would say". I seriously doubt Trump was advocating hacking into the State Department network and IMO it makes more sense to call it an Archie Bunkerism.

Ringo's death was ruled a suicide though Wyatt Earp and several others made claims, but Holiday was in Court in Colorado.

bigbear29

Nice comment and a great movie!  " say when "!

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

I liked that movie a lot, but the death of Johnny Ringo in it is not factual. Most movies and shows are not factual. So I don't take them seriously, except for entertainment value.

Quinto's avatarQuinto

I'd put a trumpload of $ down, a stack of bens as high as the wall he want's to build!! #Trumpload of loot

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

Nice comment and a great movie!  " say when "!

Yes it is a great movie. Had tons of humor as well instead of having bullets flying in every direction..Just a sample.

" Let's have a spelling contest. - Doc to Ike.

You may be the Anti Christ- Doc to his woman.

I'm your Huckleberry -Doc to Ringo

 

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay
  1.  The FBI subpoenas Hillary's emails from her private server.
  2.   After receiving the subpoena she deletes 30 thousand emails.
  3.   If you or I did that we'd be in jail.  Thats called obstruction of justice.

She's a stinking rotten criminal who sold influence for cash...See the Clinton Crime Foundation.

bigbear29

LOL, "let's have a spelling contest".

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

LOL, "let's have a spelling contest".

Did I misspell something?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 28, 2016

  1.  The FBI subpoenas Hillary's emails from her private server.
  2.   After receiving the subpoena she deletes 30 thousand emails.
  3.   If you or I did that we'd be in jail.  Thats called obstruction of justice.

She's a stinking rotten criminal who sold influence for cash...See the Clinton Crime Foundation.

Clearly the FBI and Justice Department, the top guys in law enforcement, disagree. I'm not voting for her because i will not vote a conservative regardless of what letter is next to their name. 

bigbear29

It's a phrase from the movie Tombstone.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

Clearly the FBI and Justice Department, the top guys in law enforcement, disagree. I'm not voting for her because i will not vote a conservative regardless of what letter is next to their name. 

As I sit here in the North wing of Chateau De Sully16, sipping ice cold Perrier and nibbleing delicate finger sandwiches, I appluad you Kingofert, be the oppresser we know you can be, get  your all faithful left wing loons to vote for Jill.

Thank you.

Bruuuuhahahahahahahaha.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

Clearly the FBI and Justice Department, the top guys in law enforcement, disagree. I'm not voting for her because i will not vote a conservative regardless of what letter is next to their name. 

That was a political not legal decision.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 28, 2016

Did I misspell something?

Yes you did?  Go through all your posts for the last 6 months and you will see them glaring at you.

BB caught it.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 28, 2016

 “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, They probably have them. I’d like to have them released.”

While Archie Bunker was a fictional character, many people related to what he said and those who watched All in the Family say "sounds like something Archie Bunker would say". I seriously doubt Trump was advocating hacking into the State Department network and IMO it makes more sense to call it an Archie Bunkerism.

Ringo's death was ruled a suicide though Wyatt Earp and several others made claims, but Holiday was in Court in Colorado.

Oh stack. We discussing a movie- lighten up Ol Friend. By the way when was the last time you took in a movie, not from the comfort of your recliner.  Was it the Exorcist or The Godfather? 

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

As I sit here in the North wing of Chateau De Sully16, sipping ice cold Perrier and nibbleing delicate finger sandwiches, I appluad you Kingofert, be the oppresser we know you can be, get  your all faithful left wing loons to vote for Jill.

Thank you.

Bruuuuhahahahahahahaha.

She got over 500,000 votes in 2012, The Green Party is growing as more and more people are realizing there needs to be an alternative to the two right wing parties.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

She got over 500,000 votes in 2012, The Green Party is growing as more and more people are realizing there needs to be an alternative to the two right wing parties.

Anyone who takes votes away from Hil Lie Ery is fine with me.

Long Odds

I truly believe Trump is playing chess and almost everyone else is playing checkers. If your baseline is that Trump is a self-promoting, idiotic buffoon, who has accomplished nothing in life and screws everyone he has ever come into contact with certainly you will interpret his comments negatively. However, if you open your minds to the reality that he is a very successful businessman with negotiation and other skills that enabled his growth on a worldwide scale, you may delve a little deeper into his comments and have some curiosity as to what this guy is up to. What truly scares me about the state of this country and the voters is that that most lack any intellectual curiosity and those that view themselves as most informed are intellectually dishonest. How can one listen to any of these career politicians and not recognize that all they do is lie in an attempt to garner votes? Another impact that Trump is having in this election cycle is to expose the true partisan nature of the media. The universal outrage expressed over Trump's comments about Hillary's deleted e-mails is instructive. Remember that Hillary informed us that the 33,000 deleted e-mails were all personal in nature: how then can calling on the Russian's to release them if they have them have any national security implications? Releasing Hillary's yoga lesson e-mails have national security implications? Oh, but the idiotic media and the democratic party go even further; he should be investigated by every arm of the US government for his treasonous statements; how can he request of the Russian's to infiltrate her server in an attempt to get these 33,000 e-mails when we already know that Hillary had her team physically destroyed the servers?- they don't even exist anymore. This does not require much thought to debunk the nonsense you are being asked to believe- you just need some level of curiosity and common sense. If you are voting in this election, wake the hell up to the sewer that is our current government and the leaders of both parties.

bigbear29

I hear what you are saying, BUT trump IS NOT THE GUY TO MAKE CHANGES!  trump is about trump and that is it.  I was a Bernie person, so I pick Hillary over trump.

Trump should release his TAXES.  Is trump going to get his clothes made in the USA?  Everything that trump states, someone else has to explain what he meant to say.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

I hear what you are saying, BUT trump IS NOT THE GUY TO MAKE CHANGES!  trump is about trump and that is it.  I was a Bernie person, so I pick Hillary over trump.

Trump should release his TAXES.  Is trump going to get his clothes made in the USA?  Everything that trump states, someone else has to explain what he meant to say.

Looks like you never saw a Trump speech.  What changes do you expect Hillary to make?  Can you be specific?  I can.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Jul 28, 2016

Oh stack. We discussing a movie- lighten up Ol Friend. By the way when was the last time you took in a movie, not from the comfort of your recliner.  Was it the Exorcist or The Godfather? 

And talking about old TV shows like All in the Family that aired about the same time as when The Godfather was released (1972?). I've heard people say some of Trump's remarks sound like something Archie Bunker might say and others say "who is Archie Bunker". I don't expect everybody under 40 to know of the Archie Bunker character, but it's not that difficult to search it. IMO Trump remarks are more figuratively and do remind me of "something Archie Bunker might say".

BTW, today one of the taking heads showed Bunker and Trumps quotes which were remarkably similar.

A while back someone on LP said "Jack's Racino don't look the same anymore since they remolded it." and I mentioned it sounded like something Yogi Berra might say. Instead of simply searching "Yogisms" that member decided I was insulting her so it seems like some of the members here are either somewhat paranoid or don't understand other types of humor. 

Oh, and speaking of quotes from classics westerns, I was thinking about this quote ,"When the legend is better than the truth print the legend" when I remarked about Holiday and Ringo.

The last ten days, the heat index here was over 100 and we went to the movies and saw Ghost Busters on Sunday.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

I hear what you are saying, BUT trump IS NOT THE GUY TO MAKE CHANGES!  trump is about trump and that is it.  I was a Bernie person, so I pick Hillary over trump.

Trump should release his TAXES.  Is trump going to get his clothes made in the USA?  Everything that trump states, someone else has to explain what he meant to say.

Trump can't release his taxes yet because the IRS is auditing him right now.  He will later when they're done.

bigbear29

I watched the RNC Convention everyday and I was not Impressed.  I think that Hillary will get more done than Trump.

bigbear29

IRS stated that trump can release his taxes before the IRS is done.  That was from the IRS.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

I watched the RNC Convention everyday and I was not Impressed.  I think that Hillary will get more done than Trump.

Yea?  Like what?  Democrats have been in power for 8 years straight.

bigbear29

And has been blocked by the republicans for 8 years.  When Obama took office, the republicans were the first to say that they were not going to work with Obama.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Democrats held majorities in both Houses the first four years of obama's term.  Don't blame that on Republicans.  You want to know the truth about Democrats?.....They like to divide people for votes even when there is no division.  Believe what you want, I'm tired of arguing with a rock.

bigbear29

It's not a argument, you vote for whom ever you want.

Long Odds

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

I hear what you are saying, BUT trump IS NOT THE GUY TO MAKE CHANGES!  trump is about trump and that is it.  I was a Bernie person, so I pick Hillary over trump.

Trump should release his TAXES.  Is trump going to get his clothes made in the USA?  Everything that trump states, someone else has to explain what he meant to say.

The only reason that it requires further explanation is because of the relentless attack and manipulation by the media. If you can't watch yesterday's press conference and then recognize how his answers were totally distorted by the compliant press on instructions from the Hillary campaign (let the spin begin), you are not trying hard enough or you have biases going in that preclude you from open and honest discernment.

The honesty of your comment that Trump is about Trump is totally contradicted by your next sentence where you pick Hillary; if you think Trump is all about Trump more than Hillary is all about Hillary, you are not paying attention.

Nodda4me's avatarNodda4me

Now I wonder what would happen if they indict Hillary Clinton on the email scandals like they should have in the first place, which then will disqualify her of holding on higher office in the US, including presidency. She is legally NOT eligible to become president. Yet the government (United States Attorney General, Lynch) doesn't care about the law when it comes to her.

Long Odds

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

And has been blocked by the republicans for 8 years.  When Obama took office, the republicans were the first to say that they were not going to work with Obama.

If only the Republicans actually were an opposition party over the last eight years, Trump would never have had a chance in this election cycle. Of course they should have said they would not work with Obama- his stated desire was to "fundamentally transform America". If you believe in America's constitution and the bill of rights, you could not possibly support fundamental transformation. Only thing is the Republicans rolled over for fear of being called racist for opposing the half white guy, telling their supporters to always wait for the next election cycle when they could really impact Washington (can you say we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government when they took control of the house? Can you say we don't want to do anything in opposition to Obama for fear of hurting our chances in the presidential election?). Our leaders- Obama, Biden, Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi, Reid, Ryan- all fail to represent the American people.

bigbear29

If she does get indicted ( which I think she will not ) than it was meant to be.  Trump should release his taxes.

Long Odds

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

IRS stated that trump can release his taxes before the IRS is done.  That was from the IRS.

You are the exact scary voter that is ruining America. You perceive yourself to be fully informed yet you have not a clue. Is this the same IRS under Obama that went after the Tea Party groups not-for-profit status prohibiting them from fully participating in the 2012 election? Of course, you probably think Lois Lerner did nothing wrong because she also walked away a free woman, as did Hillary. So the IRS says there is nothing that precludes Trump from releasing his tax returns while under audit and you mindlessly agree. There is not one tax attorney that would recommend a client release any information until an audit is complete. So, of course he could release his returns because there is nothing that legally precludes it, but that would be unwise. On a larger point, what the hell do you want to learn from Trump's tax returns? It is inconsequential except to those that would seek to use the information in an additional attempt to destroy Hillary's opponent. There is a truth that everyone should strive for- not my truth, not your truth, not Democrats truth, not Republicans truth- the truth.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

She got over 500,000 votes in 2012, The Green Party is growing as more and more people are realizing there needs to be an alternative to the two right wing parties.

Well, I hope you and TrigglyPuff can save the world.

Nodda4me's avatarNodda4me

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

If she does get indicted ( which I think she will not ) than it was meant to be.  Trump should release his taxes.

There will be a whole lot of angry people if they tell the citizens that Clinton is above the law.

 

It's a federal crime to send classified and top secret information to somebody who does not have the proper clearance. It's even worse when it was sent on an unsecure server in her basement (which is against policy too)

 

It's also a federal crime to lie under oath in the Supreme Court.

 

She should go to prison for 20 years with no chance of parole.

Deo-nonfortuna

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

Went to my class reunion a couple weeks ago, many of the people there I have not seen since the 70's.

The hot topic was not politics, but how the world has changed , and how our kids are growing up .

My son was 2 when Islamic Terrorists flew planes into the world trade center, this is his world to adapt to .

He will never know what was like going to an airport, concert or Hockey game without being searched and scrutinized.

He is living with technology we never dreamed was possible.

Back in our day, the big argument was who's cuter, David Gilmour or Roger Taylor, now everything is an argument.

This Country has gone insane with political correctness, if you disagree, you get a label and depending on the topic, you could be Racist, bigot, hater, homophobe etc.

In our day we watched Little house on the Prairie, the Waltons or a family themed comedy/music show.

Now the TV is filled with reality shows, people in constant conflict, or people living lives that are not even close to real.

Survival shows top the lists.

I guess it doesn't matter who is elected, I was taught to survive long before these shows popped up.

I not only know how to grow food, I hunt, fish and can find food in the forest.

For my son's sake, for the world he has to grow up in, I want a leader who is willing to say and do the things we need, to keep us just a little safer.

Some things you can't control, but we need a leader who can make it harder for those who mean to harm us.

Trump has my vote. US Flag

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but read this excerpt regarding Operation Northwoods from Wiki and judge for yourself.

Or u can google it. It sounds very much like the scenario from 9/11.

Operation Northwoods

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Northwoods memorandum (13 March 1962)[1]
Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who was in charge as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]

At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government.[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

As I sit here in the North wing of Chateau De Sully16, sipping ice cold Perrier and nibbleing delicate finger sandwiches, I appluad you Kingofert, be the oppresser we know you can be, get  your all faithful left wing loons to vote for Jill.

Thank you.

Bruuuuhahahahahahahaha.

Lol lol

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Deo-nonfortuna on Jul 28, 2016

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but read this excerpt regarding Operation Northwoods from Wiki and judge for yourself.

Or u can google it. It sounds very much like the scenario from 9/11.

Operation Northwoods

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Northwoods memorandum (13 March 1962)[1]
Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who was in charge as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]

At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government.[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.

Thanks Deo, I will check it out.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Lol lol

Google Trigglypuff, hehehehehehe, King's Queen.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Labels do not apply anymore. We need a logical people's revolution to save the USA. Trump is the one to lead change. If Hillary gets in, we will not even be able to walk down the street without fear of bring shot or worse. And we all know how Obama loved Catholics...lol. I will end up trying to be a Christian in the catacomb sewers of Washington, DC.

We are at the very end of the line here and we have no more time to make wrong choices. The invasion is happening if Hillary is elected. We will not survive as a free nation under Hillary. If you are on the fence as to your choice, open your eyes to the truth.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Labels do not apply anymore. We need a logical people's revolution to save the USA. Trump is the one to lead change. If Hillary gets in, we will not even be able to walk down the street without fear of bring shot or worse. And we all know how Obama loved Catholics...lol. I will end up trying to be a Christian in the catacomb sewers of Washington, DC.

We are at the very end of the line here and we have no more time to make wrong choices. The invasion is happening if Hillary is elected. We will not survive as a free nation under Hillary. If you are on the fence as to your choice, open your eyes to the truth.

I agree.US Flag

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Jul 28, 2016

And has been blocked by the republicans for 8 years.  When Obama took office, the republicans were the first to say that they were not going to work with Obama.

The Democrats controlled both the Senate and the House for Obama's first 2 years. He could have done anything he wanted and he took advantage of that by passing numerous legislation's including his beloved OBAMA care. FYI, not possible for the Republicans to block anything when the Democrats had control of everything.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Well, I hope you and TrigglyPuff can save the world.

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left. "Capitalism is entirely good" "Lower taxes create jobs because they make rich people happy" THAT is the very definition of political correctness, blind belief in nonsense that politicians spew out. The difference between left and right political correctness is that the left controls the crazies while the right has been eaten by them.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Labels do not apply anymore. We need a logical people's revolution to save the USA. Trump is the one to lead change. If Hillary gets in, we will not even be able to walk down the street without fear of bring shot or worse. And we all know how Obama loved Catholics...lol. I will end up trying to be a Christian in the catacomb sewers of Washington, DC.

We are at the very end of the line here and we have no more time to make wrong choices. The invasion is happening if Hillary is elected. We will not survive as a free nation under Hillary. If you are on the fence as to your choice, open your eyes to the truth.

Why so much doom and gloom? If Obama didn't destroy America, how/why would/could Hillary Rodham?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 28, 2016

The Democrats controlled both the Senate and the House for Obama's first 2 years. He could have done anything he wanted and he took advantage of that by passing numerous legislation's including his beloved OBAMA care. FYI, not possible for the Republicans to block anything when the Democrats had control of everything.

2 years to be able to bring real change and instead the center-right moderate conservative uses it to implement far-right healthcare created by the Heritage Foundation. His only other major bill was to allow you to carry an arsenal onto Amtrak trains. Sound Progressive to you when you leave political jargon and look at the bare facts?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Labels do not apply anymore. We need a logical people's revolution to save the USA. Trump is the one to lead change. If Hillary gets in, we will not even be able to walk down the street without fear of bring shot or worse. And we all know how Obama loved Catholics...lol. I will end up trying to be a Christian in the catacomb sewers of Washington, DC.

We are at the very end of the line here and we have no more time to make wrong choices. The invasion is happening if Hillary is elected. We will not survive as a free nation under Hillary. If you are on the fence as to your choice, open your eyes to the truth.

Today is the safest time in American history. What you said is  the equivalent of wearing 4 winter coats in July.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

Why so much doom and gloom? If Obama didn't destroy America, how/why would/could Hillary Rodham?

Hey buddy...You live in Germany.  Don't worry about our US elections OK!  You're first concern should be the terrorists Merkel is allowing into your country.  Just another reason we're voting for Trump here!

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

Today is the safest time in American history. What you said is  the equivalent of wearing 4 winter coats in July.

Safest for who?  You kidding?  Have you seen the news lately?  Stop with the BS man.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left. "Capitalism is entirely good" "Lower taxes create jobs because they make rich people happy" THAT is the very definition of political correctness, blind belief in nonsense that politicians spew out. The difference between left and right political correctness is that the left controls the crazies while the right has been eaten by them.

Whattt!  You are to far gone. You have been brainwashed and can't see it, Cause I don't think all Corporations are good and wholesome, take each as they come.

Your either making stuff up to suit your own insecurities , extreme lack of self worth, or whoever warped your mind needs to be put away for a very long time, cause buddy, you drank way to much Kool-aid.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 28, 2016

Hey buddy...You live in Germany.  Don't worry about our US elections OK!  You're first concern should be the terrorists Merkel is allowing into your country.  Just another reason we're voting for Trump here!

Who are these terrorists you are referring too?

You derail by telling me this discussion is open to Americans only but somehow Merkel forces your hand in the election? Little contradictory.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

Why so much doom and gloom? If Obama didn't destroy America, how/why would/could Hillary Rodham?

Let's talk how your country allowed hundreds of women to be assaulted by immigrants.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Let's talk how your country allowed hundreds of women to be assaulted by immigrants.

Exactly.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Exactly.

Germany is the launching pad for the invasion. Valient France is trying to hold on. I cry for France.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Let's talk how your country allowed hundreds of women to be assaulted by immigrants.

As opposed to the regular assault of women by non-immigrants?

Do you believe this was a government-sanctioned grope-in ?

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Germany is the launching pad for the invasion. Valient France is trying to hold on. I cry for France.

Right, that's why France had these problems before.

More alarmist rhetoric from you I see, I'm sure you will enjoy a Trump presidency.

Deo-nonfortuna

Germany's immigrant/refugee problems are in pale compared to millions of illegals in here who smuggle drugs, murder, rape, rob, drive with no insurance, hundreds of thousands of Latino gangbangers who are growing in #s, and children of these illegals are awarded automatic US citizenship which costs tax payers millions per year in school, medical, and other costs. They literally bankrupted CA, which resorted to legalizing weed. Get the idea?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Deo-nonfortuna on Jul 28, 2016

Germany's immigrant/refugee problems are in pale compared to millions of illegals in here who smuggle drugs, murder, rape, rob, drive with no insurance, hundreds of thousands of Latino gangbangers who are growing in #s, and children of these illegals are awarded automatic US citizenship which costs tax payers millions per year in school, medical, and other costs. They literally bankrupted CA, which resorted to legalizing weed. Get the idea?

Spot on. I agree.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 28, 2016

Safest for who?  You kidding?  Have you seen the news lately?  Stop with the BS man.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/14/theres-never-been-a-safer-time-to-be-a-kid-in-america/

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/09/29/canada-election-security-safe_n_8039394.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/history-and-the-decline-of-human-violence/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html

Who is the BSer here again?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Whattt!  You are to far gone. You have been brainwashed and can't see it, Cause I don't think all Corporations are good and wholesome, take each as they come.

Your either making stuff up to suit your own insecurities , extreme lack of self worth, or whoever warped your mind needs to be put away for a very long time, cause buddy, you drank way to much Kool-aid.

The queen of right wing political correctness retreats into her safe space where facts and her opinion can never be separated.When you come out of your safe space let me know and we can chat facts.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Deo-nonfortuna on Jul 28, 2016

Germany's immigrant/refugee problems are in pale compared to millions of illegals in here who smuggle drugs, murder, rape, rob, drive with no insurance, hundreds of thousands of Latino gangbangers who are growing in #s, and children of these illegals are awarded automatic US citizenship which costs tax payers millions per year in school, medical, and other costs. They literally bankrupted CA, which resorted to legalizing weed. Get the idea?

Yes and no. Painting millions of people with such broad strokes is unfair and downplays how the US governments worked to destabilize its neighboring countries while profiting from the cheap labor undocumented immigrants provide to the US economy.

These illegals pay billions in taxes and in the clunky way that governments work produce the people the US needs in order to prosper and fend off aging of the population.

This is why the border is intentionally penetrable. If the government intended to be able to find any person in the country, which as I understand is why controls are so intense, they could implement obligation to register.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Deo-nonfortuna on Jul 28, 2016

Germany's immigrant/refugee problems are in pale compared to millions of illegals in here who smuggle drugs, murder, rape, rob, drive with no insurance, hundreds of thousands of Latino gangbangers who are growing in #s, and children of these illegals are awarded automatic US citizenship which costs tax payers millions per year in school, medical, and other costs. They literally bankrupted CA, which resorted to legalizing weed. Get the idea?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

Contrary to public perception, "Illegal" immigrants MUST pay their taxes and are NOT allowed to go on any kind of welfare. It's messed up , but hey the republicans  want it that way. Everything else you said is far detached from reality that I don't know whether i should even bother.

Fine i'll show everyone how detached you are

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/06/public-study-illegal-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-americans/

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

The queen of right wing political correctness retreats into her safe space where facts and her opinion can never be separated.When you come out of your safe space let me know and we can chat facts.

I am far from PC Cupcake and I never retreat.

You chose that Avatar to make yourself bigger then who you really are, calling yourself King, yikes!

Now go back to putting labels on books, people and everything else that scares you.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

Right, that's why France had these problems before.

More alarmist rhetoric from you I see, I'm sure you will enjoy a Trump presidency.

Sounds like you fear Trump. Another reason to vote for him.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 28, 2016

Sounds like you fear Trump. Another reason to vote for him.

More playground-level skills from you.

As I'm white and male I don't have to fear Trump.

If your decision to vote for somebody is as callous as to do it to spite someone I understand your infatuation with a fraudulent  con-artist narcissist.

Deo-nonfortuna

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

Contrary to public perception, "Illegal" immigrants MUST pay their taxes and are NOT allowed to go on any kind of welfare. It's messed up , but hey the republicans  want it that way. Everything else you said is far detached from reality that I don't know whether i should even bother.

Fine i'll show everyone how detached you are

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/06/public-study-illegal-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-americans/

First of all, I've never said jack didley about illegals not paying taxes or go on welfare. Yea, I'm sure they pay sales tax after a meal at McDonald's and of course they're not eligible for welfare. Second of all u said everything else I said was far detached from reality? LOL so Mr. bleeding heart pinko, we don't have any illegal-related problems I mentioned here?

U belong in a commie China or N Korea or better yet, in a looney bin. Go work on ur reading comprehension.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

Contrary to public perception, "Illegal" immigrants MUST pay their taxes and are NOT allowed to go on any kind of welfare. It's messed up , but hey the republicans  want it that way. Everything else you said is far detached from reality that I don't know whether i should even bother.

Fine i'll show everyone how detached you are

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/06/public-study-illegal-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-americans/

Illegal's commit less crime ?, they are all criminals as they broke our laws coming here.

Oh and I went through you last 50 posts, seeing 2 different speaking styles again, as one of you speaks more intelligently than the other.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

More playground-level skills from you.

As I'm white and male I don't have to fear Trump.

If your decision to vote for somebody is as callous as to do it to spite someone I understand your infatuation with a fraudulent  con-artist narcissist.

Busted, I know what your doing.

Deo-nonfortuna

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Illegal's commit less crime ?, they are all criminals as they broke our laws coming here.

Oh and I went through you last 50 posts, seeing 2 different speaking styles again, as one of you speaks more intelligently than the other.

Many of deported illegals end up here again. Forget fighting terrorism overseas, we need to fight illegal immigration in our back yard now.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Busted, I know what your doing.

Do tell.

Deo-nonfortuna

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

Yes and no. Painting millions of people with such broad strokes is unfair and downplays how the US governments worked to destabilize its neighboring countries while profiting from the cheap labor undocumented immigrants provide to the US economy.

These illegals pay billions in taxes and in the clunky way that governments work produce the people the US needs in order to prosper and fend off aging of the population.

This is why the border is intentionally penetrable. If the government intended to be able to find any person in the country, which as I understand is why controls are so intense, they could implement obligation to register.

Of course our government's letting them in here on purpose for the reasons you've cited, but here's the grim consequence for that. When Cuba had severe rodent problems on their sugar cane farms, they brought mongooses from India, and soon the rodent population was decimated. However, when mongooses no longer had rats to feast on, they started to attack chickens and other livestock. We're inviting future troubles to solve current troubles

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

Do tell.

Telling us you a white male who doesn't fear Trump, why do our elections even matter to you ?

Tell us White male, or because you're not actually black, so therefore your White?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Jul 28, 2016

Yes and no. Painting millions of people with such broad strokes is unfair and downplays how the US governments worked to destabilize its neighboring countries while profiting from the cheap labor undocumented immigrants provide to the US economy.

These illegals pay billions in taxes and in the clunky way that governments work produce the people the US needs in order to prosper and fend off aging of the population.

This is why the border is intentionally penetrable. If the government intended to be able to find any person in the country, which as I understand is why controls are so intense, they could implement obligation to register.

illegals do not pay billions in taxes, most of them work under the table and pay no tax at all, or SS, or Medicare, or property tax, they collect welfare on top of their under the table wage.

Many of them file tax returns here and claim 15 dependants and get a big chunk of money they never even paid./

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Telling us you a white male who doesn't fear Trump, why do our elections even matter to you ?

Tell us White male, or because you're not actually black, so therefore your White?

 They dont matter to me any more than I like to stay current on world events.

 

As for your second  statement, what did you want to express, as it is it's unintelligible. I never claimed to be black. Maybe you got me mixed up with somebody else?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

I am far from PC Cupcake and I never retreat.

You chose that Avatar to make yourself bigger then who you really are, calling yourself King, yikes!

Now go back to putting labels on books, people and everything else that scares you.

You're far from left wing PC, but you;re still extremely PC.

I chose this avatar because it fits my username, some people have creativity when picking their internet usernames. 

More PC from the queen of right wing PC.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

Illegal's commit less crime ?, they are all criminals as they broke our laws coming here.

Oh and I went through you last 50 posts, seeing 2 different speaking styles again, as one of you speaks more intelligently than the other.

Yes because they WANT to be here and WE NEED THEM. The last thing they want to do is have the immigration cops know they exist and thus they don't commit crimes apart from a few bad apples. Our immigration process is the hardest in the world to get through, it takes an average of 16 years to become a citizen. If the US and Mexico were reversed you would just cross illegally as well. 

Ah, now i get it, believe it or not i have a life and so depending on how crappy or amazing my day is going i'll either try to talk you like an adult or i'll just explain facts at a level you can understand.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

Yes because they WANT to be here and WE NEED THEM. The last thing they want to do is have the immigration cops know they exist and thus they don't commit crimes apart from a few bad apples. Our immigration process is the hardest in the world to get through, it takes an average of 16 years to become a citizen. If the US and Mexico were reversed you would just cross illegally as well. 

Ah, now i get it, believe it or not i have a life and so depending on how crappy or amazing my day is going i'll either try to talk you like an adult or i'll just explain facts at a level you can understand.

We don't need them, few bad apples, go to Detroit....few, brainwashed.

There are 2 of you, talking down to me and showing me how insecure you are doesn't change that fact.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

You're far from left wing PC, but you;re still extremely PC.

I chose this avatar because it fits my username, some people have creativity when picking their internet usernames. 

More PC from the queen of right wing PC.

You're Cupcake of the earth, you are not a warrior, just a crybaby who posts links to left wing rags, written by more crybabies.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Deo-nonfortuna on Jul 28, 2016

First of all, I've never said jack didley about illegals not paying taxes or go on welfare. Yea, I'm sure they pay sales tax after a meal at McDonald's and of course they're not eligible for welfare. Second of all u said everything else I said was far detached from reality? LOL so Mr. bleeding heart pinko, we don't have any illegal-related problems I mentioned here?

U belong in a commie China or N Korea or better yet, in a looney bin. Go work on ur reading comprehension.

Undocumented immigrants are somewhere between sunshine and ice cream on the list of problems in this country. Our screwed up immigration system though is a big concern. Pulling the communist card is so 2nd grade level childishness. Hell North Korea is run under Juche which is a RIGHT WING system mixed with old fashioned Right Wing Authoritarianism. North Korea is a right wing heaven. China is also extremely right wing. Go read up on basic economics, politics, philosophy and writing.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Deo-nonfortuna on Jul 28, 2016

Of course our government's letting them in here on purpose for the reasons you've cited, but here's the grim consequence for that. When Cuba had severe rodent problems on their sugar cane farms, they brought mongooses from India, and soon the rodent population was decimated. However, when mongooses no longer had rats to feast on, they started to attack chickens and other livestock. We're inviting future troubles to solve current troubles

How nice, you really don't see a problem in identifying humans with animals? Oh yes because there was anyy bad consequences when human beings were compared to undesirable creatures like rodents, 1940's Germany was such a peaceful place and they used it a lot. I had to go there, it is literal word for word.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

We don't need them, few bad apples, go to Detroit....few, brainwashed.

There are 2 of you, talking down to me and showing me how insecure you are doesn't change that fact.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/alabama-immigration-law-colbert-i-told-you-so_n_1035165.html 

Alabama being Alabama went full racist on "illegals" and the results were disastrous because WE NEED THEM. You are not going to work for $7.25 an hour (Most likely less) for 16 hours a day 7 days a week and neither will i or any other "legal" resident of this country.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

We don't need them, few bad apples, go to Detroit....few, brainwashed.

There are 2 of you, talking down to me and showing me how insecure you are doesn't change that fact.

Nope, just me. Talking to you adult to adult has clearly failed so i need to go down to your educational level (1st grade maybe). I'm not the one who shown time and again an inability to express oneself as an adult (or even a teenager). Find one source validating anything you said, i dare you (Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources).

JAMORA's avatarJAMORA

Left wing, right wing.....it's still the same dirty bird...

Hillary has too much blood on her hands, and it's her or Trump.

Trump has crossed party lines depending on what was on the table....and I like that....Once the crap slinging is done, I think he'll be able to negotiate across the aisle.

Illegal immigration is just that....illegal...If they come by breaking our laws, we cannot expect them to abide the laws....

Maybe some of those resources spent causing turmoil in the middle east (oil and poppies anyone) and elsewhere could be used to secure our border, and rebuild our economy....and why doesn't anyone consider Mexico and other South American countries "regimes" when it comes to refugee crises? Heck ...THEY are our next door neighbors! We need to fix here, before trying to fix everywhere else.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

Nope, just me. Talking to you adult to adult has clearly failed so i need to go down to your educational level (1st grade maybe). I'm not the one who shown time and again an inability to express oneself as an adult (or even a teenager). Find one source validating anything you said, i dare you (Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources).

you are beyond help.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/alabama-immigration-law-colbert-i-told-you-so_n_1035165.html 

Alabama being Alabama went full racist on "illegals" and the results were disastrous because WE NEED THEM. You are not going to work for $7.25 an hour (Most likely less) for 16 hours a day 7 days a week and neither will i or any other "legal" resident of this country.

Well kingocupcake, our jouney ends. You are blocked.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 28, 2016

you are beyond help.

What gets me is this: "Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources" and yet kingofderp trots out links to MSNBC and HuffPo. (which, according to him, are right-wing sites, right?)   He's established himself as a liar multiple times in this thread alone,  now by his own most recent words he's proved he's also a hypocrite.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

What gets me is this: "Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources" and yet kingofderp trots out links to MSNBC and HuffPo. (which, according to him, are right-wing sites, right?)   He's established himself as a liar multiple times in this thread alone,  now by his own most recent words he's proved he's also a hypocrite.

Exactly, He's been brainwashed. I blocked him, he's a fanatic.

I believe there are 2 people posting.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 29, 2016

Exactly, He's been brainwashed. I blocked him, he's a fanatic.

I believe there are 2 people posting.

Yep, his parents need to be slapped for raising him the way they did.   His ignorance is massive.  We had a name for college boys working the summers out on the drilling rigs:  "educated worms".

It's getting to be where you can't tell the sock puppets in here without a scorecard.  Not sure who his other persona is - or was - but I'm sure he is/was just as clueless in that one, too.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

Yep, his parents need to be slapped for raising him the way they did.   His ignorance is massive.  We had a name for college boys working the summers out on the drilling rigs:  "educated worms".

It's getting to be where you can't tell the sock puppets in here without a scorecard.  Not sure who his other persona is - or was - but I'm sure he is/was just as clueless in that one, too.

yep, on all counts.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 29, 2016

Well kingocupcake, our jouney ends. You are blocked.

I ask for sources to back up even one thing you've ever said, this is your answer. It shows your age (6 years old) quite well.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 28, 2016

Yes because they WANT to be here and WE NEED THEM. The last thing they want to do is have the immigration cops know they exist and thus they don't commit crimes apart from a few bad apples. Our immigration process is the hardest in the world to get through, it takes an average of 16 years to become a citizen. If the US and Mexico were reversed you would just cross illegally as well. 

Ah, now i get it, believe it or not i have a life and so depending on how crappy or amazing my day is going i'll either try to talk you like an adult or i'll just explain facts at a level you can understand.

Oh you who deal in 'facts', do some research om crossing the border INTO Mexico from the south of their country. 

If you're out to set a record for getting blocked by the most members in the fastest time you just might do it. 

You're very quick to jump to conclusions, attack people you don't even know, and just make stuff up, like right wing pc.

You're truly delusional, get some help.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

What gets me is this: "Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources" and yet kingofderp trots out links to MSNBC and HuffPo. (which, according to him, are right-wing sites, right?)   He's established himself as a liar multiple times in this thread alone,  now by his own most recent words he's proved he's also a hypocrite.

Sites that are well maintained and protected against someone just spewing nonsense are acceptable sources. My offer extends to your challenge. Show one instance of me saying anything that is contradictory or incorrect i dare you. You know such things don't exist.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

Yep, his parents need to be slapped for raising him the way they did.   His ignorance is massive.  We had a name for college boys working the summers out on the drilling rigs:  "educated worms".

It's getting to be where you can't tell the sock puppets in here without a scorecard.  Not sure who his other persona is - or was - but I'm sure he is/was just as clueless in that one, too.

I post sources backing up my arguments

Sully 6 year old does not 

You really think i'm the ignorant one?

You call me ignorannt, then say that being educated is bad? You really should stop trying to demomnize education but hey you live in the state that changed its textbooks to include basic Wrong information before it caused outrage and they were ordered to change it back.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jul 29, 2016

Oh you who deal in 'facts', do some research om crossing the border INTO Mexico from the south of their country. 

If you're out to set a record for getting blocked by the most members in the fastest time you just might do it. 

You're very quick to jump to conclusions, attack people you don't even know, and just make stuff up, like right wing pc.

You're truly delusional, get some help.

I have, your point being? it is completely different than what Trump is proposing. One is to stop human trafficking and the other would have us declaring bankruptcy from the sheer cost. you should look up the Schengen area

Any honest observer can see who  the adult is and who isn't, i prefer to only talk to adults.

I jump to no conclusion, only facts or peer-reviewed hypotheses. I am not the one screaming " Rich people are better that's why they're rich" or other total nonsense.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 29, 2016

Sites that are well maintained and protected against someone just spewing nonsense are acceptable sources. My offer extends to your challenge. Show one instance of me saying anything that is contradictory or incorrect i dare you. You know such things don't exist.

You mean sites such as HuffPo that delete comments that don't fit their disingenuous narrative?

Show you ONE instance? I could show you dozens - nearly every time you've posted, nearly every thing you've said.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 29, 2016

I post sources backing up my arguments

Sully 6 year old does not 

You really think i'm the ignorant one?

You call me ignorannt, then say that being educated is bad? You really should stop trying to demomnize education but hey you live in the state that changed its textbooks to include basic Wrong information before it caused outrage and they were ordered to change it back.

I'd say you're more "clueless" than "ignorannt" (sic), although for a college boy you're not exactly a poster child for the benefits of higher education.

I never did "demomnize" (sic) education, but didn't want to waste time and words explaining to you that I do NOT think education is a bad thing, only that it involves learning about all aspects of an historical event or the reasons why, not some biased view that only validates your own viewpoint.

I also never said being educated is bad.  There you go lying again. 

Speaking of states, New York shows how dishonest the majority of inhabitants of that state are by electing the dishonest Hillary Clinton.  I know people in NYC are dumb because I watched "Cash Cab".

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

You mean sites such as HuffPo that delete comments that don't fit their disingenuous narrative?

Show you ONE instance? I could show you dozens - nearly every time you've posted, nearly every thing you've said.

Then do it, show us something this contradictory or factually incorrect.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

I'd say you're more "clueless" than "ignorannt" (sic), although for a college boy you're not exactly a poster child for the benefits of higher education.

I never did "demomnize" (sic) education, but didn't want to waste time and words explaining to you that I do NOT think education is a bad thing, only that it involves learning about all aspects of an historical event or the reasons why, not some biased view that only validates your own viewpoint.

I also never said being educated is bad.  There you go lying again. 

Speaking of states, New York shows how dishonest the majority of inhabitants of that state are by electing the dishonest Hillary Clinton.  I know people in NYC are dumb because I watched "Cash Cab".

Um, I spend most of my time in Upstste which went heavily for Bernie. If I only wanted to hear my biased viewpoints I would get a blog or a forum devoted to such but I don't. I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner that includes giving sources and accepting when you're wrong, whether politics, lottery, history or any other topic.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

You've said LOTS of things that weren't true;  nearly every thing about "red" states or trying to prove a point with military statistics, many other things.  I didn't like reading your drivel the first time, why should I suffer through it again?  If your posts were on paper, they'd have some use in the bathroom.

As has been mentioned, you can't be bothered by "facts" except those that support your narrow viewpoint and world view.   Just as you've set pre-conditions for what links are acceptable or not, I automatically impeach your sources.   Your type of an "open mind" is good only to serve as an ashtray or urinal.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

You've said LOTS of things that weren't true;  nearly every thing about "red" states or trying to prove a point with military statistics, many other things.  I didn't like reading your drivel the first time, why should I suffer through it again?  If your posts were on paper, they'd have some use in the bathroom.

As has been mentioned, you can't be bothered by "facts" except those that support your narrow viewpoint and world view.   Just as you've set pre-conditions for what links are acceptable or not, I automatically impeach your sources.   Your type of an "open mind" is good only to serve as an ashtray or urinal.

This is a guy who believes we should import Mexicans to do the work he doesn't want to do, he has no value on them as humans. 7.25 is beneath a guy who doesn't work at all.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 29, 2016

Um, I spend most of my time in Upstste which went heavily for Bernie. If I only wanted to hear my biased viewpoints I would get a blog or a forum devoted to such but I don't. I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner that includes giving sources and accepting when you're wrong, whether politics, lottery, history or any other topic.

"I want to hear all different viewpoints...." Yada Yada Yada

SURE you do, right! -wink-

Adult?  Good grief, your definition is different than the one I know.  How many times have you used "Christian Taliban"?  How many times have you made up some statistic about red states?  How many times did YOU start the name-calling first, how many times did you intentionally try to troll someone?  I don't know the exact number, but I'd say a bunch.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Jul 29, 2016

"I want to hear all different viewpoints...." Yada Yada Yada

SURE you do, right! -wink-

Adult?  Good grief, your definition is different than the one I know.  How many times have you used "Christian Taliban"?  How many times have you made up some statistic about red states?  How many times did YOU start the name-calling first, how many times did you intentionally try to troll someone?  I don't know the exact number, but I'd say a bunch.

1) Christian taliban is an accurate term to describe some members of both parties who seek to forcibly bring religion into our lives. 2) I don't make them up, you can research yourself. If you find something wrong, PLEASE let me know so I can know that is wrong information. 3) Never started the name-calling, always in reply to a lot of name calling. 4) Never tried to intentionally troll anyone, The exact number for the latter two is Zero. The first one is probably a bunch and the second one is by definition something that I can't answer.

dr65's avatardr65

Someone said Trump does not think before he opens his mouth. I think I like that better

than someone who has thought too much before they open their's. Trump has my vote.

Obama is a fail. I remember how many people were so happy when he won. How were his

lies different from anyone else's? Are those people happy now like they were then? I doubt it.

Obamacare is a joke and so is he, I'll be so glad when he's gone. 

Voters need to come to their own conclusions about who is best for this country. Stop listening

to opinions of the media, watchdog groups and the opposite party. People are either too weak,

confused or afraid to stand alone as if just going with the brainwashed public opinion of who

will do right for us is the only choice whether they fully agree with the notion or not. Some of

them dont know why they're supporting someone but will go with the flow because to them it

feels comfortable and right and how can so many others be wrong?

Hillary is a choice worse than Obama. Same political party, same Democratic bull but this

one is a woman. Obama was a first, you don't think the honor of being another first hasn't crossed

her mind? She wants this very badly. She'll lie, cheat and bash as well as the rest of them and if

elected will continue on leading this country down the drain. Not having a humble bone in your 

body leads to treachery and arrogance leads to poor judgement. Give me Trumps plan of action

any day over a woman with something to prove. Every time she raises her hands while spewing her

garbage to the brainwashed masses, I think of the devil summoning his legion of evil doing servants.

I see no evil in Trump but if let my mind be manipulated in the way the oposition wants it to be, we have

no choice but to waste more time with the same ideas and agenda we've been subjected to in 8 years.

Even if Trump loses I'll know I didn't go with the flow and vote in the disaster named Hillary. She's sly

in a bad way, calculating and conniving. She knew she had to keep Bill around for a reason and this is it.

I'm not willing to elect someone who compromises principals to reach a personal goal. Anything goes in

politics, they're all wrapped up in the fantasy that they do the best they can. I want Trump's brand of reality.

Not the political correctness that is doing nothing to change this country in the way it needs to change.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Nice post dr65! Like yourself, I agree that some of the things coming out of Donald Trumps aren't exactly well thought out and pre-planned. I just want him to tone down some of his logic. I feel he truly want wants to make America great again while Hillary is sticking to her Saul Alinsky game plan in order to achieve absolute power.

The supreme court will be altered for generations if she is elected and having predominantly liberal justices is one of my biggest fears.

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jul 29, 2016

Someone said Trump does not think before he opens his mouth. I think I like that better

than someone who has thought too much before they open their's. Trump has my vote.

Obama is a fail. I remember how many people were so happy when he won. How were his

lies different from anyone else's? Are those people happy now like they were then? I doubt it.

Obamacare is a joke and so is he, I'll be so glad when he's gone. 

Voters need to come to their own conclusions about who is best for this country. Stop listening

to opinions of the media, watchdog groups and the opposite party. People are either too weak,

confused or afraid to stand alone as if just going with the brainwashed public opinion of who

will do right for us is the only choice whether they fully agree with the notion or not. Some of

them dont know why they're supporting someone but will go with the flow because to them it

feels comfortable and right and how can so many others be wrong?

Hillary is a choice worse than Obama. Same political party, same Democratic bull but this

one is a woman. Obama was a first, you don't think the honor of being another first hasn't crossed

her mind? She wants this very badly. She'll lie, cheat and bash as well as the rest of them and if

elected will continue on leading this country down the drain. Not having a humble bone in your 

body leads to treachery and arrogance leads to poor judgement. Give me Trumps plan of action

any day over a woman with something to prove. Every time she raises her hands while spewing her

garbage to the brainwashed masses, I think of the devil summoning his legion of evil doing servants.

I see no evil in Trump but if let my mind be manipulated in the way the oposition wants it to be, we have

no choice but to waste more time with the same ideas and agenda we've been subjected to in 8 years.

Even if Trump loses I'll know I didn't go with the flow and vote in the disaster named Hillary. She's sly

in a bad way, calculating and conniving. She knew she had to keep Bill around for a reason and this is it.

I'm not willing to elect someone who compromises principals to reach a personal goal. Anything goes in

politics, they're all wrapped up in the fantasy that they do the best they can. I want Trump's brand of reality.

Not the political correctness that is doing nothing to change this country in the way it needs to change.

       I Agree!  Very well said dr65... and we do need a change.. almost 8 years of Obama and we are worst off now than when he came into office and if Hillary get's in we will have at least another 4 years of the same thing... that Obamacare has put more people into debt...and I am  a witness to that.. cause my insurance premium went up 3 times after this Obamacare went into effect...and they just raised their premiums again....and I am still  paying on medical bills and than to be taxed at income tax time if you don't have insurance... that is crazy... some people I know had to pay 600 or more dollars in taxes cause they didn't have the Obamacare Insurance...these are the worst insurance plans that I have ever seen in my life...all they do is put you more into debt...

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jul 29, 2016

       I Agree!  Very well said dr65... and we do need a change.. almost 8 years of Obama and we are worst off now than when he came into office and if Hillary get's in we will have at least another 4 years of the same thing... that Obamacare has put more people into debt...and I am  a witness to that.. cause my insurance premium went up 3 times after this Obamacare went into effect...and they just raised their premiums again....and I am still  paying on medical bills and than to be taxed at income tax time if you don't have insurance... that is crazy... some people I know had to pay 600 or more dollars in taxes cause they didn't have the Obamacare Insurance...these are the worst insurance plans that I have ever seen in my life...all they do is put you more into debt...

If you thought obamacare was bad before, just wait until 2017.  The insurance provided by your employer used to be a tax free benefit, not anymore.  Next year the money from your employer towards health insurance (I think over 10K) will be considered your income and you will be taxed 40% on that amount.  I belong to a union and the contractor I work for contributes about 13K for my insurance, well next year I will have to pay tax on that 13K.  Sucks!

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 29, 2016

If you thought obamacare was bad before, just wait until 2017.  The insurance provided by your employer used to be a tax free benefit, not anymore.  Next year the money from your employer towards health insurance (I think over 10K) will be considered your income and you will be taxed 40% on that amount.  I belong to a union and the contractor I work for contributes about 13K for my insurance, well next year I will have to pay tax on that 13K.  Sucks!

2017, scary stuff.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 29, 2016

2017, scary stuff.

Yes and he and Michelle get to go out gracefully with smiles on their faces

and stories to tell...him on how he made sure America had health insurance

(but penalized lots) her with her healthy school lunch program (designed to

stop unhealthy choices in school...a grape, a 1/2 oz of milk and 1/4 of a

Cornish hen breast) 

Lots will suffer and greenbay, that is sad stuff. I want the real America back.

Dee I'm sure a lot of other people like your $600 example exist. They don't want to

dwell on that...they want us accepting, conforming and peaceful and nodding our

heads and telling them great job! Bs...they should be forced to live what some of

these people are...then come tell me you care. They'd be in line making changes

so fast our heads would spin. I dont care if Trump is rich and certainly dont give

a da mn about his tax returns. Is someone looking for crooked?...grow up people

open your eyes and get your country back from the tyrants that currently run it.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 29, 2016

Nice post dr65! Like yourself, I agree that some of the things coming out of Donald Trumps aren't exactly well thought out and pre-planned. I just want him to tone down some of his logic. I feel he truly want wants to make America great again while Hillary is sticking to her Saul Alinsky game plan in order to achieve absolute power.

The supreme court will be altered for generations if she is elected and having predominantly liberal justices is one of my biggest fears.

Saul Alinsky was a community organizer who wanted to help those who didn't have any power. Does that sound like Hillary to you? Trump's patriotism is not disputable, his ability to not change his mind on every issue every 3 seconds though is another question. Oh yes because having Supreme Court justices that believe that Satan is walking among us (real Scalia quote) is so not insane and dangerous.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jul 29, 2016

       I Agree!  Very well said dr65... and we do need a change.. almost 8 years of Obama and we are worst off now than when he came into office and if Hillary get's in we will have at least another 4 years of the same thing... that Obamacare has put more people into debt...and I am  a witness to that.. cause my insurance premium went up 3 times after this Obamacare went into effect...and they just raised their premiums again....and I am still  paying on medical bills and than to be taxed at income tax time if you don't have insurance... that is crazy... some people I know had to pay 600 or more dollars in taxes cause they didn't have the Obamacare Insurance...these are the worst insurance plans that I have ever seen in my life...all they do is put you more into debt...

That's extreme right wing conservatism for you. The far-right Obamacare comes from the 1990's Heritage Foundation. Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Heard an interesting rumor on the radio today.  Bernie Sanders might join Jill Stein in the race for the white house.  Stein/Sanders?  OMG!  Buy your fruitcakes before Christmas because they're going to be gone by November.  Crazy

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 29, 2016

2017, scary stuff.

Only thing we have to fear is fear itself

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 29, 2016

Um, I spend most of my time in Upstste which went heavily for Bernie. If I only wanted to hear my biased viewpoints I would get a blog or a forum devoted to such but I don't. I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner that includes giving sources and accepting when you're wrong, whether politics, lottery, history or any other topic.

"I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner"

Good luck with that! ROFL

Four years ago I posted an excerpt from the Republican National platform calling for the banning of all forms of Online gambling and when they ran out of lame arguments, the insults started. Sound familiar? The good news is (maybe because the Republican nominee is a casino owner), for the first time in 12 years, the ban is no longer in the platform.

As for viewpoints, people on this thread are calling for change and if nominating a women for president isn't change, I'd like to hear what they call change.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Re: Community Organizer such as Alinsky:

Community organizing

Community organizing is a process where people who live in proximity to each other come together into an organization that acts in their shared self-interest. Unlike those who promote more-consensual community building, community organizers generally assume that social change necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate collective power for the powerless.

Community organizing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See more about Community organizing
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For those that don't get it just read the Communist Manifesto 10 planks.
Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 30, 2016

"I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner"

Good luck with that! ROFL

Four years ago I posted an excerpt from the Republican National platform calling for the banning of all forms of Online gambling and when they ran out of lame arguments, the insults started. Sound familiar? The good news is (maybe because the Republican nominee is a casino owner), for the first time in 12 years, the ban is no longer in the platform.

As for viewpoints, people on this thread are calling for change and if nominating a women for president isn't change, I'd like to hear what they call change.

It figures that you would think just because Hillary is a woman she automatically deserves to be appointed president. Never mind the fact that if her last name wasn't Clinton and she had perpetrated just 1/10th of the criminal activities that the FBI accused her of she would be in jail.

The entire government and a large majority of congress is beyond corrupt. Being delusional about your party is another reason why our country is getting destroyed from within.

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 30, 2016

It figures that you would think just because Hillary is a woman she automatically deserves to be appointed president. Never mind the fact that if her last name wasn't Clinton and she had perpetrated just 1/10th of the criminal activities that the FBI accused her of she would be in jail.

The entire government and a large majority of congress is beyond corrupt. Being delusional about your party is another reason why our country is getting destroyed from within.

I don't think he said that Drenick1... His point was change...

I do agree with you though, we need to change a broken system that serves the few at the expense of many.

How? That's the rub...

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 30, 2016

"I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner"

Good luck with that! ROFL

Four years ago I posted an excerpt from the Republican National platform calling for the banning of all forms of Online gambling and when they ran out of lame arguments, the insults started. Sound familiar? The good news is (maybe because the Republican nominee is a casino owner), for the first time in 12 years, the ban is no longer in the platform.

As for viewpoints, people on this thread are calling for change and if nominating a women for president isn't change, I'd like to hear what they call change.

Shoulda told me this before I tried to correct them. It's hard though to let such absurdly incorrect nonsense get spewed without pointing out facts.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 30, 2016

It figures that you would think just because Hillary is a woman she automatically deserves to be appointed president. Never mind the fact that if her last name wasn't Clinton and she had perpetrated just 1/10th of the criminal activities that the FBI accused her of she would be in jail.

The entire government and a large majority of congress is beyond corrupt. Being delusional about your party is another reason why our country is getting destroyed from within.

"It figures that you would think just because Hillary is a woman she automatically deserves to be appointed president."

How is it that Romancandle understood my point but you can't?

"a large majority of congress is beyond corrupt"

The last time I looked the Republicans controlled the House and Senate.

"Being delusional about your party is another reason why our country is getting destroyed from within."

What is delusional about me remarking that the first woman elected president would be a change? 

It would be a change if we had the first Canadian born (Cruz) or fired CEO of a major corporation (Carly Fiorina) elected president too. Is this the type of change you're talking about?

"Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!" I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" and "I just realized that if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than ten minutes straight, you develop a massive headache. She has zero chance!"

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jul 29, 2016

       I Agree!  Very well said dr65... and we do need a change.. almost 8 years of Obama and we are worst off now than when he came into office and if Hillary get's in we will have at least another 4 years of the same thing... that Obamacare has put more people into debt...and I am  a witness to that.. cause my insurance premium went up 3 times after this Obamacare went into effect...and they just raised their premiums again....and I am still  paying on medical bills and than to be taxed at income tax time if you don't have insurance... that is crazy... some people I know had to pay 600 or more dollars in taxes cause they didn't have the Obamacare Insurance...these are the worst insurance plans that I have ever seen in my life...all they do is put you more into debt...

Voting for Hilbeast is just voting for the same thing again after 8 years of Obummer. It's time to elect someone that's not a career politician that will actually try to change America for the better.

Voting for the same kind of politician AGAIN and expecting different results is insanity.

American Indian's avatarAmerican Indian

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Jul 26, 2016

Trump is by far the greatest Teflon candidate for president we have ever seen.Lesser politicians would have been history for saying the following:

We Need a Wall. McCain is no hero.

Say what you will,  the guy has a pair.

WOW??? Where to start??? I was Born and Raised in Arizona Minus the 10yrs I lived in Kentucky as an adult, My Grandparents Were Born NATIVE AMERICANS In Oklahoma!

I don't & never have liked McCain but he did serve our Country and was a POW!

Arizona was part of Mexico before becoming a US State!

Trump has never held a Public Office so he's not a Politician! All but 1 of his wives was not BORN A US Citizen, so by his words his current Wife should BE THE FIRST TO BE DEPORTED!

There is a WALL IN Part of AZ, They Have Tunnels in Mexico And have for at least 30yrs I know of (that's when the 1st was found) to get into the US!

When Trump don't want to pay his bill's or gets Divorced he hides HIS money and Files Bankruptcy!

What Trump has is YELLOW (BAD DYE JOB) HAIR AND PROBABLY OWNS A GLUE FACTORY IN CHINA TO HOLD HIS HAIR IN PLACE!!!! 

HILLARY IS GOING TO STOMP ON TRUMP LIKE OBAMA DID McCAIN IN PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FIRST RACE FOR PRESIDENT! Party

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by American Indian on Jul 31, 2016

WOW??? Where to start??? I was Born and Raised in Arizona Minus the 10yrs I lived in Kentucky as an adult, My Grandparents Were Born NATIVE AMERICANS In Oklahoma!

I don't & never have liked McCain but he did serve our Country and was a POW!

Arizona was part of Mexico before becoming a US State!

Trump has never held a Public Office so he's not a Politician! All but 1 of his wives was not BORN A US Citizen, so by his words his current Wife should BE THE FIRST TO BE DEPORTED!

There is a WALL IN Part of AZ, They Have Tunnels in Mexico And have for at least 30yrs I know of (that's when the 1st was found) to get into the US!

When Trump don't want to pay his bill's or gets Divorced he hides HIS money and Files Bankruptcy!

What Trump has is YELLOW (BAD DYE JOB) HAIR AND PROBABLY OWNS A GLUE FACTORY IN CHINA TO HOLD HIS HAIR IN PLACE!!!! 

HILLARY IS GOING TO STOMP ON TRUMP LIKE OBAMA DID McCAIN IN PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FIRST RACE FOR PRESIDENT! Party

Hey...His current wife is a legal immigrant.  You do know the difference between legal and illegal don't you?   BTW Hillary is about as corrupt as any politician has ever been.  Also, look at her eyes when she speaks...She's nuts.

American Indian's avatarAmerican Indian

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 31, 2016

Hey...His current wife is a legal immigrant.  You do know the difference between legal and illegal don't you?   BTW Hillary is about as corrupt as any politician has ever been.  Also, look at her eyes when she speaks...She's nuts.

YES, I live in a State where the MAJORITY of people are from someplace else!

My Grandparents on 1 side were Migrant workers of Our Own Land before we let the IMMIGRANTS in off the BOATS! My Grandparents on the other side Had Migrant workers working our land, NEVER EVER treated them different then any other person in Town. 

I have lived with both LEGAL & ILLEGAL Immigrants my whole life, their are a lot of Illegal Immigrants that come here to work hard send money to their Families and want to be LEGAL have a safe place to live in this Country because their not safe where they are with their Families, Yes their are those that have a different reason and do need to be DEPORTED!

I Logged back in because I forgot to put in my last reply, LOOK AT THE MESS PRESIDENT OBAMA INHERITED From Bush when he got into Office!

Bush was going to take us BACK to WAR to Finish what his daddy started before 9/11 even happened Bush Had enough Intel given to him to know what was about too happen and he IGNORED it, was the excuse he needed!!!! I know People in the DOJ, That stands for DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, In case you didn't know???

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 30, 2016

It figures that you would think just because Hillary is a woman she automatically deserves to be appointed president. Never mind the fact that if her last name wasn't Clinton and she had perpetrated just 1/10th of the criminal activities that the FBI accused her of she would be in jail.

The entire government and a large majority of congress is beyond corrupt. Being delusional about your party is another reason why our country is getting destroyed from within.

He does not get that most people do not vote for someone based on gender or race. Hillary and I may have similar educational backgrounds, but it ends there. I want to see the correct and honest woman in the Whitehouse, not any woman.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by American Indian on Jul 31, 2016

YES, I live in a State where the MAJORITY of people are from someplace else!

My Grandparents on 1 side were Migrant workers of Our Own Land before we let the IMMIGRANTS in off the BOATS! My Grandparents on the other side Had Migrant workers working our land, NEVER EVER treated them different then any other person in Town. 

I have lived with both LEGAL & ILLEGAL Immigrants my whole life, their are a lot of Illegal Immigrants that come here to work hard send money to their Families and want to be LEGAL have a safe place to live in this Country because their not safe where they are with their Families, Yes their are those that have a different reason and do need to be DEPORTED!

I Logged back in because I forgot to put in my last reply, LOOK AT THE MESS PRESIDENT OBAMA INHERITED From Bush when he got into Office!

Bush was going to take us BACK to WAR to Finish what his daddy started before 9/11 even happened Bush Had enough Intel given to him to know what was about too happen and he IGNORED it, was the excuse he needed!!!! I know People in the DOJ, That stands for DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, In case you didn't know???

I'm sure you know the recession that obama inherited was caused by the democrats.  Bill Clinton repealed the glass steagall act...That was a law passed by congress after the great depression.  It prohibited commercial banks from acting like investment banks.  That coupled with the democrat "community investment act" which gave no money down mortgages to people who couldn't afford the payments.  Democrats caused the recession of 2008.

And if there were any JUSTICE in the DOJ, Hillary would be indicted by now.  Yea so keep blaming Bush, Bush, Bush.  I was no great Bush fan but I sure the heck am a Trump fan.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by American Indian on Jul 31, 2016

YES, I live in a State where the MAJORITY of people are from someplace else!

My Grandparents on 1 side were Migrant workers of Our Own Land before we let the IMMIGRANTS in off the BOATS! My Grandparents on the other side Had Migrant workers working our land, NEVER EVER treated them different then any other person in Town. 

I have lived with both LEGAL & ILLEGAL Immigrants my whole life, their are a lot of Illegal Immigrants that come here to work hard send money to their Families and want to be LEGAL have a safe place to live in this Country because their not safe where they are with their Families, Yes their are those that have a different reason and do need to be DEPORTED!

I Logged back in because I forgot to put in my last reply, LOOK AT THE MESS PRESIDENT OBAMA INHERITED From Bush when he got into Office!

Bush was going to take us BACK to WAR to Finish what his daddy started before 9/11 even happened Bush Had enough Intel given to him to know what was about too happen and he IGNORED it, was the excuse he needed!!!! I know People in the DOJ, That stands for DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, In case you didn't know???

The US government receives tons of intelligence daily but I find it highly offensive you saying Pres. Bush knew 9-11 was about to happen. Have you read some of the chattering they were monitoring in the months before? I recall receiving a memo about this increase in "chatter" months before 9-11 but if you can translate that into planes being hijacked and crashed into buildings, you are the greatest genius in the world.

By the way, I have worked in Washington, DC for many years and fled a city we all thought was about to be invaded. And you have the nerve to criticize me for making a comment about the Tennessee lottery winners? What a hypocrite you are. I thanked God every day that Pres. Bush was in charge that day, vs nutty AL Gore. I know far more people in DOJ than you ever will know, and you are nuts. By the way, the State Dept. and FBI and CIA were the primary Departments charged with monitoring foreign communications, not DOJ.

Saylorgirl's avatarSaylorgirl

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 31, 2016

He does not get that most people do not vote for someone based on gender or race. Hillary and I may have similar educational backgrounds, but it ends there. I want to see the correct and honest woman in the Whitehouse, not any woman.

I agree completely!  And preferably one that doesn't steal the silver and china as she leaves the White House!

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Saylorgirl on Jul 31, 2016

I agree completely!  And preferably one that doesn't steal the silver and china as she leaves the White House!

Lol. And they trashed the Whitehouse when they left. Pres. Bush chose to not make a big deal of it because he is such a class act.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 31, 2016

The US government receives tons of intelligence daily but I find it highly offensive you saying Pres. Bush knew 9-11 was about to happen. Have you read some of the chattering they were monitoring in the months before? I recall receiving a memo about this increase in "chatter" months before 9-11 but if you can translate that into planes being hijacked and crashed into buildings, you are the greatest genius in the world.

By the way, I have worked in Washington, DC for many years and fled a city we all thought was about to be invaded. And you have the nerve to criticize me for making a comment about the Tennessee lottery winners? What a hypocrite you are. I thanked God every day that Pres. Bush was in charge that day, vs nutty AL Gore. I know far more people in DOJ than you ever will know, and you are nuts. By the way, the State Dept. and FBI and CIA were the primary Departments charged with monitoring foreign communications, not DOJ.

lol! His rhetoric is getting more bizarre with each post.

I think King of earth and American Indian are siamese twins and may have been separated at birth.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

About 99 days until the election.  By then this thread will hit 60 plus pages.  LOL

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 31, 2016

lol! His rhetoric is getting more bizarre with each post.

I think King of earth and American Indian are siamese twins and may have been separated at birth.

No he and Sully are Siamese twins separated at birth. Both spew whatever comes out of their butts without the slightest idea or care for whether it's true.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

No he and Sully are Siamese twins separated at birth. Both spew whatever comes out of their butts without the slightest idea or care for whether it's true.

Stop  trolling me.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

Stop  trolling me.

You can't stop something you're not doing. I'm not trolling anyone or anything, but you spew whatever comes out of your mouth without the slightest concern for whether it's true and just get extremely defensive when confronted with it. Again, show me one source backing up something you have ever said.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

You can't stop something you're not doing. I'm not trolling anyone or anything, but you spew whatever comes out of your mouth without the slightest concern for whether it's true and just get extremely defensive when confronted with it. Again, show me one source backing up something you have ever said.

You're so full of it you stink, I am not posting entire books to prove what I know to be true.

You live for the left wing rags, believe everything they tell you, you are brainwashed, and you can't see it.

I guessing you spent much of your life getting picked on, now you want revenge, you want a big oppressive government to step in and hurt as many people as possible, taking away their money, their rights, land, jobs and whatever people have that you covet.

You run around they threads trying to sound smart, oh listen to kingodirt.

What you did to Msdufflebags birthday thread was entirely uncalled for.

You hop from thread to thread looking for ways to make others look small and stupid..

You are here to troll for your left wing extreme agenda.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

You're so full of it you stink, I am not posting entire books to prove what I know to be true.

You live for the left wing rags, believe everything they tell you, you are brainwashed, and you can't see it.

I guessing you spent much of your life getting picked on, now you want revenge, you want a big oppressive government to step in and hurt as many people as possible, taking away their money, their rights, land, jobs and whatever people have that you covet.

You run around they threads trying to sound smart, oh listen to kingodirt.

What you did to Msdufflebags birthday thread was entirely uncalled for.

You hop from thread to thread looking for ways to make others look small and stupid..

You are here to troll for your left wing extreme agenda.

I asked for a source and the fact that you can not do so speaks volumes on how ignorant you are. I won't address the rambling nonsense except to say that I asked a fair question on the thread and got a fair response.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

I asked for a source and the fact that you can not do so speaks volumes on how ignorant you are. I won't address the rambling nonsense except to say that I asked a fair question on the thread and got a fair response.

And you can't give any logical source or reason why you would want the government to hurt so many people.

By the way, I like men.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

I asked for a source and the fact that you can not do so speaks volumes on how ignorant you are. I won't address the rambling nonsense except to say that I asked a fair question on the thread and got a fair response.

Well, look who ran off to his hidey hole....

I don't owe you anything, not now not ever. I don't answer to you and nobody here has to answer to you.

Take your demands somewhere else King!

Just who do you think you are telling me what to do.

People, if you want to be oppressed and lose your rights, have no hope for a better future, then by all means vote for Hillary, Jill or even Bernie, this guy is the epitome of what those people stand for.

Do you really want this type of reasoning in your life?

Do you really want to wake up and ask yourself what the heck happened to my hopes and dreams?

Do you really want to see people suffer, just because they may or may not have more then you?

I have to believe most people are good and decent, everyone has happiness and pain.

But, when you oppress the masses, well......draw your own conclusions.

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Really too bad ridge isn't around to educate some of these folks. He would have a field day and it would be fun reading.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

And you can't give any logical source or reason why you would want the government to hurt so many people.

By the way, I like men.

Oh yes tell the world how much physical pain you get from filing taxes. All those paper cuts!!!!! The tyranny of paper cuts!!!!!! Tell us again which party advocates the government ban porn, legalize torture.. I mean "corrective therapy" for gay minors, which party advocates for workers to starve rather than be paid a reasonable minimum wage, which party wants to ban the right of two people to marry each other, which party wants invasive and useless ultrasounds just to stop women from getting a legal abortion etc etc.

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

Oh yes tell the world how much physical pain you get from filing taxes. All those paper cuts!!!!! The tyranny of paper cuts!!!!!! Tell us again which party advocates the government ban porn, legalize torture.. I mean "corrective therapy" for gay minors, which party advocates for workers to starve rather than be paid a reasonable minimum wage, which party wants to ban the right of two people to marry each other, which party wants invasive and useless ultrasounds just to stop women from getting a legal abortion etc etc.

I'll say this about taxes. I sold some farm property last year and the taxes I paid on my income tax return did hurt. Me and the people I was going to hire to replace the roof on my house. That money could have and should have gone to people working in my community to support their families. Instead the government got it to waste.

You want to throw your money at the government, (assuming you even have a job, I know, that's a stretch), go ahead. I would rather pass, and support those in my community would could use the money.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

Oh yes tell the world how much physical pain you get from filing taxes. All those paper cuts!!!!! The tyranny of paper cuts!!!!!! Tell us again which party advocates the government ban porn, legalize torture.. I mean "corrective therapy" for gay minors, which party advocates for workers to starve rather than be paid a reasonable minimum wage, which party wants to ban the right of two people to marry each other, which party wants invasive and useless ultrasounds just to stop women from getting a legal abortion etc etc.

Child porn and baby killer.

Need I say more people.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 31, 2016

I'll say this about taxes. I sold some farm property last year and the taxes I paid on my income tax return did hurt. Me and the people I was going to hire to replace the roof on my house. That money could have and should have gone to people working in my community to support their families. Instead the government got it to waste.

You want to throw your money at the government, (assuming you even have a job, I know, that's a stretch), go ahead. I would rather pass, and support those in my community would could use the money.

He doesn't work and pay taxes, is worried about porn, needs to address the parents of gay youths who send their kids to some place for correction, that's not political.

Thinks ultra sounds are invasive, lol. Abortion is legal, nobody had the power to stop it unless the Supreme court over turns Wade V. Roe

Ultra sounds are for the mother's protection as abortions are dangerous.

People vote on Gay Marriage, if majority says no, then go to California.

Just because someone doesn't believe in killing babies, does not make them bad people, just people who love babies.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

He doesn't work and pay taxes, is worried about porn, needs to address the parents of gay youths who send their kids to some place for correction, that's not political.

Thinks ultra sounds are invasive, lol. Abortion is legal, nobody had the power to stop it unless the Supreme court over turns Wade V. Roe

Ultra sounds are for the mother's protection as abortions are dangerous.

People vote on Gay Marriage, if majority says no, then go to California.

Just because someone doesn't believe in killing babies, does not make them bad people, just people who love babies.

My blood ran cold when I saw a clip of some DNC speaker mentioning her abortion  and people cheered.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 31, 2016

My blood ran cold when I saw a clip of some DNC speaker mentioning her abortion  and people cheered.

Yea.  And the mother of Michael Brown spoke, the guy who attacked a cop, tried to take his gun and was shot.  What do people expect when they attack a cop.  Also, there were no American flags at the DNC convention for the first two days.  Unbelievable.  The democrats are anti-America.  Anyone who votes for Hillary should get the hell out of this country.  Disgusting group of people.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

Child porn and baby killer.

Need I say more people.

No the Republican Party platform advocates the banning of ADULT CONSENTUAL Porn and you know it.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

He doesn't work and pay taxes, is worried about porn, needs to address the parents of gay youths who send their kids to some place for correction, that's not political.

Thinks ultra sounds are invasive, lol. Abortion is legal, nobody had the power to stop it unless the Supreme court over turns Wade V. Roe

Ultra sounds are for the mother's protection as abortions are dangerous.

People vote on Gay Marriage, if majority says no, then go to California.

Just because someone doesn't believe in killing babies, does not make them bad people, just people who love babies.

I have worked and paid taxes in previous summers. I care about the government not becoming an oppressive theocracy that you so want it to be. You scream OPPRESSION at the slightest tax increase but you want a totalitarian theocracy and you see no irony.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

No the Republican Party platform advocates the banning of ADULT CONSENTUAL Porn and you know it.

Is that the reason why you have so much hatred for the Republican party? it sure seems that way. You are simply a liberal pervert and want everything your way.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 31, 2016

Is that the reason why you have so much hatred for the Republican party? it sure seems that way. You are simply a liberal pervert and want everything your way.

Well Drenick..what do you expect him to do all day living in his parent's basement? Contribute to society???? No....gotta have his porn. Lol Wink  He only works during the summers anyway as he stated. He is way too entitled to work full time.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

I have worked and paid taxes in previous summers. I care about the government not becoming an oppressive theocracy that you so want it to be. You scream OPPRESSION at the slightest tax increase but you want a totalitarian theocracy and you see no irony.

You worry about the United States government becoming an oppressive theocracy?  Really?  Really?  When you paid taxes, did you pay more than the IRS required you to pay?  You can always write them a check for more than you owe.  LOL  Think of all the starving children because you wanted to keep more of the money you earned.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 31, 2016

Really too bad ridge isn't around to educate some of these folks. He would have a field day and it would be fun reading.

WAHHHHHHH I miss Ridge.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Who's Ridge?  Before my time.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

No the Republican Party platform advocates the banning of ADULT CONSENTUAL Porn and you know it.

No it doesn't, I guessing there's a whole lot of them who love it.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 31, 2016

Who's Ridge?  Before my time.

He is my friend and I miss him dearly everyday. He's one of the good guys in America.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 31, 2016

Well Drenick..what do you expect him to do all day living in his parent's basement? Contribute to society???? No....gotta have his porn. Lol Wink  He only works during the summers anyway as he stated. He is way too entitled to work full time.

College guy wants a 15 dollar an hour at mcwhiners.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

He is my friend and I miss him dearly everyday. He's one of the good guys in America.

So what happened?  Did he just stop posting?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 31, 2016

So what happened?  Did he just stop posting?

Yes, Not sure what happened.

rdgrnr is his member name, check him out, he is in my favorite list.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 31, 2016

He does not get that most people do not vote for someone based on gender or race. Hillary and I may have similar educational backgrounds, but it ends there. I want to see the correct and honest woman in the Whitehouse, not any woman.

What I get is the usual hypocrisy any time politics are discussed on LP.

In 2000 and 2008 one party controlled the House and Senate, but the president was from the other party. Today we have the same gridlock. The elections in both 2000 and 2008 resulted in one party in control of all three. 

The last time I looked, repeating history is not change.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

You can't stop something you're not doing. I'm not trolling anyone or anything, but you spew whatever comes out of your mouth without the slightest concern for whether it's true and just get extremely defensive when confronted with it. Again, show me one source backing up something you have ever said.

Speaking of hypocrisy, how is it possible for somebody who claimed they "blocked your posts" to read them?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 31, 2016

So what happened?  Did he just stop posting?

I know what happened, but never could understand why some of the members calling him their "close friend" don't have a clue. The guy created an excellent Archie Bunker type persona and would certainly enjoy this election cycle.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 31, 2016

Speaking of hypocrisy, how is it possible for somebody who claimed they "blocked your posts" to read them?

I blocked you several times over the years, people can change their mind ya know.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 31, 2016

I know what happened, but never could understand why some of the members calling him their "close friend" don't have a clue. The guy created an excellent Archie Bunker type persona and would certainly enjoy this election cycle.

I see you're happy he's not here. I just hope he's okay and just had to walk away, for as much as I don't care for you, I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

I blocked you several times over the years, people can change their mind ya know.

For the record, I'm still an undecided presidential voter living in a solid red state. And it would be refreshing to read why I should vote for (not against) either candidate.

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 31, 2016

For the record, I'm still an undecided presidential voter living in a solid red state. And it would be refreshing to read why I should vote for (not against) either candidate.

I'll tell you my reason for Trump.

To vote for Hilary would be voting for the same as usual politician. We need real change, right now. Will Trump be better than Hilary? Well, that is the great unknown. What I do know is that Hilary is the same as every politician that ran, Repub and Dem during the primaries. I'm glad Cruz, and the rest of the Repubs lost to Trump. Again, we need someone different, now. That is why I did not vote for Cruz, or anyone else in our primary. I voted for Trump. My wife was in disbelief when I told her (she voted for Cruz), but I told her the same thing I saying now. Yeah, Trump has his warts. He's not polished like a career politician. I like that.

You want the same old, same old? Hilary is your choice.

You want someone who can and just might make a difference? Trump.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Jul 31, 2016

Is that the reason why you have so much hatred for the Republican party? it sure seems that way. You are simply a liberal pervert and want everything your way.

DO NOT CALL ME A LIBERAL. I AM A LEFTIST NOT those center-right moderate conservatives Obama and Hillary. I stopped viewing the Republican Party as a legitimate party after the Hurricane Sandy bill got bored down by southern leeches like Rand Paul and Tom Coburn whose states were the biggest munchers of 2012 federal aid. Chris Christie was a hero when he whipped Rand's money sucking butt.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Jul 31, 2016

Well Drenick..what do you expect him to do all day living in his parent's basement? Contribute to society???? No....gotta have his porn. Lol Wink  He only works during the summers anyway as he stated. He is way too entitled to work full time.

I spend most of my time learning things that would make your head spin thank you very much. I've never watched porn at all btw, I'm too busy trying to find s job so that I won't end up like 90% of the southern Republican Party on welfare.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

I see you're happy he's not here. I just hope he's okay and just had to walk away, for as much as I don't care for you, I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you.

I'm not "happy he's not here" because I know why he isn't.

"I just hope he's okay and just had to walk away "

Why do you think he "had to walk away"?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 31, 2016

You worry about the United States government becoming an oppressive theocracy?  Really?  Really?  When you paid taxes, did you pay more than the IRS required you to pay?  You can always write them a check for more than you owe.  LOL  Think of all the starving children because you wanted to keep more of the money you earned.

There's nothing wrong with only paying the minimum that you need to pay, the only problem is that the minimum is too low to support what the government needs to do.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 31, 2016

For the record, I'm still an undecided presidential voter living in a solid red state. And it would be refreshing to read why I should vote for (not against) either candidate.

You have to decide what you think is best for the collective country.

I listen to what they both have to say, not what someone else says they say.

I know we need jobs, not refugees, I know we need to secure our borders, I also know we need to make coming here easier for those with real skills and desires. Not drug dealers and gun runners.

I know that if you cripple the middle class with excessive tax, they stop spending, thus business suffers and more people lose jobs and prices go up.

I know we have tons of product coming into the country while these countries do not buy our products.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but as far as I see , Trump is a business man who is fed up with the crap our Government and that means all political parties, all getting away with.

They are forgetting they work for us, I don't want a Government that wants me to work for them.

I know we have a current regime trying to chip away at our rights, one that controls much of the media.

One that started class wars, race wars and gender wars. They are following the aslinsky, and Cloward and Piven playbooks. All ya got to do is read them.

One question I still ponder, why did they make sure so many people flooded our border, put these sick people on buses and ship them all over the country. What kind of person does this to their own country?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

I spend most of my time learning things that would make your head spin thank you very much. I've never watched porn at all btw, I'm too busy trying to find s job so that I won't end up like 90% of the southern Republican Party on welfare.

Time to go get the smart guy, your losing.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 31, 2016

I'm not "happy he's not here" because I know why he isn't.

"I just hope he's okay and just had to walk away "

Why do you think he "had to walk away"?

I don't know.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

No it doesn't, I guessing there's a whole lot of them who love it.

Chair IT DOES. The Republican Party is indistinguishable from the Taliban

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-platform-labels-pornography-public-health-crisis

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/gop-platform-republican-convention-internet-pornography/

Read it for yourself 

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

I posted the whole platform, you can see it for yourself.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Jul 31, 2016

Chair IT DOES. The Republican Party is indistinguishable from the Taliban

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-platform-labels-pornography-public-health-crisis

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/gop-platform-republican-convention-internet-pornography/

Read it for yourself 

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

I posted the whole platform, you can see it for yourself.

They are talking about child porn and human trafficking, did you even read it?

Why are you so worried about porn anyways? Really? go get the smart guy.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

They are talking about child porn and human trafficking, did you even read it?

Why are you so worried about porn anyways? Really? go get the smart guy.

the whole point of America becoming independent was because of "tyranny" (not actually but irrelevant to what i have to say).  You really see nothing wrong with the government snooping in and arresting you for watching two adults have consensual sex? A call to ban just child porn has been in the platform for decades (as it should and must be) but in 2016  the Christian Taliban finally gets enough power to advocate for banning ALL porn in the platform.  i care about privacy rights and constitutional protections and that means defending the right to do something that i wouldn't do (watch porn). As MLK said, Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jul 31, 2016

I'll tell you my reason for Trump.

To vote for Hilary would be voting for the same as usual politician. We need real change, right now. Will Trump be better than Hilary? Well, that is the great unknown. What I do know is that Hilary is the same as every politician that ran, Repub and Dem during the primaries. I'm glad Cruz, and the rest of the Repubs lost to Trump. Again, we need someone different, now. That is why I did not vote for Cruz, or anyone else in our primary. I voted for Trump. My wife was in disbelief when I told her (she voted for Cruz), but I told her the same thing I saying now. Yeah, Trump has his warts. He's not polished like a career politician. I like that.

You want the same old, same old? Hilary is your choice.

You want someone who can and just might make a difference? Trump.

My question is can Trump work Congress because it's nothing like working with a board of directors and with foreign leaders. I assumed after Trump won the nomination his insult filled speeches would stop or at least use only twitter, but IMO, they are getting worse. Another thing I find problematic is the support (or lack of) by the top Republicans; there is a huge difference between saying they will support the candidate and wearing a "I like Trump" button.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 1, 2016

My question is can Trump work Congress because it's nothing like working with a board of directors and with foreign leaders. I assumed after Trump won the nomination his insult filled speeches would stop or at least use only twitter, but IMO, they are getting worse. Another thing I find problematic is the support (or lack of) by the top Republicans; there is a huge difference between saying they will support the candidate and wearing a "I like Trump" button.

The members of Congress have over the past 20 years gone from largely being a body of trustees (Vote based on the merits) and delegates (voting the wy their constituents want)  to being a body of almost entirely partisan (voting the way the party wants). If Trump wins and he gets a Republican Congress, he can get virtually anything he wants. if he gets a Democratic Congress, then literally next to nothing will get done.The same would happen in reverse with Hillary. 

The Republican base is united while the leadership is divided, The Democratic leadership is united while the base is divided. I don't know which is worse, this election will tell.

destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 1, 2016

The members of Congress have over the past 20 years gone from largely being a body of trustees (Vote based on the merits) and delegates (voting the wy their constituents want)  to being a body of almost entirely partisan (voting the way the party wants). If Trump wins and he gets a Republican Congress, he can get virtually anything he wants. if he gets a Democratic Congress, then literally next to nothing will get done.The same would happen in reverse with Hillary. 

The Republican base is united while the leadership is divided, The Democratic leadership is united while the base is divided. I don't know which is worse, this election will tell.

I don't think that Trump will be able to get anything he wants if the Republicans control the Congress and the Senate, for the simple reason that the Republicans are NOT necessarily in agreement with Trump on what policy should be.  If Trump gets elected, the Republicans will either gradually start to fall in line with some of Trump's ideas, or they won't !!!  Instead, they will force Trump to fall in line with their ideas, or Nothing will get accomplished or passed, as usual. 

Trump is in for a RUDE AWAKENING and a SERIOUS REALITY CHECK in dealing with a Republican controlled Congress/Senate, he just doesn't know it yet !!! Trump thinks "he's got this", but he doesn't "get it yet".  The BEHIND THE SCENES REALITY in the White House will be that if the Republicans don't TRUST and RESPECT Trump's ability to LEAD this NATION, they will NOT Cooperate with Trump the way that he Expects, and he won't be able to "Make a Deal" with anyone. 

There will be a Power Struggle and a Power Play between the Executive and Legislative branches of the U.S. Government [as usual] !!!  Because he is CEO of Trump International Empire, Trump thinks the President holds the Power.  But, he's WRONG about that, in the U.S. Government !!!

How many of Trump's policy ideas can he pass by EXECUTIVE ORDER, and Bypass the House and Senate ???  Most of Trump's Policy Ideas will have to pass through Both the House and SenateThis will NOT happen !!!  Trump will be the one forced to "give in" and compromise with what the Republicans and/or Democrats want instead. 

He also will NOT be able to continue to speak his mind unfiltered and be politically incorrect, b/c it will NOT be acceptable anymore in the White House, b/c his constituents, the public,  and the Media will continue to CRUCIFY him and TARNISH his image even more as President.  This happens to every President. Trump will be No Exception to this General Rule.

 

BTW, Who is going to FUND the Mexican Wall, if the Mexicans Don't ???

What are the Logistics of a Muslim Ban that can be accomplished , and how much money is it going to cost the Taxpayers ???

 

THINK about the REAL LOGISTICAL and MONETARY REALITY of Trump's Policy Ideas, and Consider if he can really accomplish what he thinks he can accomplish, working through the U.S. Congress and Senate.

We should NOT be Voting for or Supporting a New and Different Political Ideology anymore that Cannot be Realistically Accomplished,  b/c we tried that with Obama and it didn't work out so well. 

We should be Voting for and Supporting a Realistic REALITY CHECK that CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED , working through the Congress and Senate !!!

I don't necessarily think Hillary Clinton can do any better working through the Congress and Senate.  I don't know about Gary Johnson or Jill Stein

The point is, I don't think that we as Americans should have Unrealistically High Expectations of Donald Trump, only to be Disappointed like we have been with Obama, who has had a hard time working with the Congress and Senate.

It's called Realism in Politics.

bigbear29

You are correct destinycreation,  nothing is going to get done.  The repubs and the dems will be piss about something that trump said or did, and trump will be piss at the repubs and dems.  Bernie would have done a lot better.  trump has no idea about nothing, and how is trump going to bring jobs back to the USA????

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Here's the reality...Its between Trump or Hillary.  One or the other, that's it.  Forget the third parties.  People may not like Trump but at least he's sincere and honest.  Hillary on the other hand is a corrupt liar.

bigbear29

trump is an idiot!  I can not wait for the debates.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

Time to go get the smart guy, your losing.

Green laugh

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

trump is an idiot!  I can not wait for the debates.

LOL!   I can't wait for the debates too!  Trumps an idiot?  Sure, any idiot can make 10 billion dollars starting with 1 million.  Is that why the democrats want to schedule the debate during an NFL football game?  You figure that one out.

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 1, 2016

LOL!   I can't wait for the debates too!  Trumps an idiot?  Sure, any idiot can make 10 billion dollars starting with 1 million.  Is that why the democrats want to schedule the debate during an NFL football game?  You figure that one out.

The debate dates were set and agreed to by Trump a year ago. How did his team overlook this?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Aug 1, 2016

The debate dates were set and agreed to by Trump a year ago. How did his team overlook this?

Trumps team had nothing to do with it.  A year ago he wasn't the nominee.

bigbear29

trump is going to bail on the debates.  He is an idiot in the political ring.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

bigbear you're too much.  Who will Hillbilly debate?  Herself?  They'll reschedule the debate dates.  Nice to have a Presidential candidate with conviction.  Tired of wishy-washy politicians.  Did you know Hillary (a proven liar) was thrown off the Watergate commission for stealing evidence?  That's the type of person you want as President?  Really?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

trump is going to bail on the debates.  He is an idiot in the political ring.

Vote for Jill Stein, Kingoeat says she'll help keep porno on the net. gotta love a woman who ......Embarassed

bigbear29

just put Bernie back in.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

just put Bernie back in.

You can still vote for him, he's just not the demograt nominee.

bigbear29

No, that would be giving it to trump.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

I'd trust Bernie more than Hillary at least the old guy was sincere in his convictions.  But the DNC put him down for corrupt Hillary even though he had more popular support.

bigbear29

Hillary leading trump after both conventions.  47% to 41%

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Which poll is that?  CNN or NYT?  LOL

bigbear29

Politico: Trump support tumbles after conventions

Fortune: 

Hillary Clinton Just Beat Trump In Post-Convention Polling

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

Politico: Trump support tumbles after conventions

Fortune: 

Hillary Clinton Just Beat Trump In Post-Convention Polling

LOL!  Politico and Fortune?  Anyway, what's Hillary's position on job creation?  That's why you're voting for her?  Right?  Or am I wrong.

bigbear29

How is trump going to create jobs??????  I'm voting for Hillary because I can't stand trump.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

He already has, tens of thousands.

bigbear29

So, trump is going to build more trump buildings if he gets into office?  Big corporations are pulling away from trump.  Why did trump lie about the NFL???  He received a letter from the NFL, a lie.

 

Warren buffett is about to introduce Hillary at her rally,  YES!  Warren Buffett!

bigbear29

From The Fix:  The list of big-name Republicans in Hillary Clinton’s corner just got even longer!  trump screwed up this time.

 

A few weeks ago, we assembled a list of some other prominent GOP voices who said they planned to back Hillary Clinton in the general election. This list will be updated as events warrant.

Richard Armitage, Henry Paulson, Brent Scowcroft. Three big-name former George W. Bush administration officials in the past few weeks have announced that they are supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016 — all because Donald Trump is simply a bridge too far for them.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jul 31, 2016

I know what happened, but never could understand why some of the members calling him their "close friend" don't have a clue. The guy created an excellent Archie Bunker type persona and would certainly enjoy this election cycle.

Then tell us what happened. You do not know anything about him.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

From The Fix:  The list of big-name Republicans in Hillary Clinton’s corner just got even longer!  trump screwed up this time.

 

A few weeks ago, we assembled a list of some other prominent GOP voices who said they planned to back Hillary Clinton in the general election. This list will be updated as events warrant.

Richard Armitage, Henry Paulson, Brent Scowcroft. Three big-name former George W. Bush administration officials in the past few weeks have announced that they are supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016 — all because Donald Trump is simply a bridge too far for them.

Oh come on now bigbear.  Those are (establishment) republicans.  They take the money from the lobbyists, you know, the people who hate Trump.  Trump is for us (working middle-class)  he doesn't need to run for President, he's doing this for America.  The establishment, both republicans and democrats, are for big money in DC.  And as for Warren Buffett, why do you think obama rejected the Keystone pipeline?  Its because Buffett is making millions moving oil with his railroad and the pipeline would end that.  Its all about money, don't you realize that???  I won't convince you and you won't convince me, lets leave it at that.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 31, 2016

You have to decide what you think is best for the collective country.

I listen to what they both have to say, not what someone else says they say.

I know we need jobs, not refugees, I know we need to secure our borders, I also know we need to make coming here easier for those with real skills and desires. Not drug dealers and gun runners.

I know that if you cripple the middle class with excessive tax, they stop spending, thus business suffers and more people lose jobs and prices go up.

I know we have tons of product coming into the country while these countries do not buy our products.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but as far as I see , Trump is a business man who is fed up with the crap our Government and that means all political parties, all getting away with.

They are forgetting they work for us, I don't want a Government that wants me to work for them.

I know we have a current regime trying to chip away at our rights, one that controls much of the media.

One that started class wars, race wars and gender wars. They are following the aslinsky, and Cloward and Piven playbooks. All ya got to do is read them.

One question I still ponder, why did they make sure so many people flooded our border, put these sick people on buses and ship them all over the country. What kind of person does this to their own country?

I Agree! with most of what you said and I'll address what I don't.

"You have to decide what you think is best for the collective country. "

I don't think it's possible for any of us to know what is best for the collective country. Each state has one or more (California has 53) Congressional districts and the idea is to elect a Representative that will vote what is best for that district. There are two US Senators from each state and again they should at least try to vote in the best interest of their state. The President has no vote and is not even elected by popular vote (Gore v Bush). 

"I know we have tons of product coming into the country while these countries do not buy our products. "

"Buy American" was everywhere in the early 1980s, but eventually lost out to "shop at Walmart". The answer seems simple, but convincing people to buy American again isn't.

""They are following the aslinsky, and Cloward and Piven playbooks. "

Wasn't that the strategy used by the Nixon administration?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 1, 2016

I Agree! with most of what you said and I'll address what I don't.

"You have to decide what you think is best for the collective country. "

I don't think it's possible for any of us to know what is best for the collective country. Each state has one or more (California has 53) Congressional districts and the idea is to elect a Representative that will vote what is best for that district. There are two US Senators from each state and again they should at least try to vote in the best interest of their state. The President has no vote and is not even elected by popular vote (Gore v Bush). 

"I know we have tons of product coming into the country while these countries do not buy our products. "

"Buy American" was everywhere in the early 1980s, but eventually lost out to "shop at Walmart". The answer seems simple, but convincing people to buy American again isn't.

""They are following the aslinsky, and Cloward and Piven playbooks. "

Wasn't that the strategy used by the Nixon administration?

You want to explain that Nixon thing?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 1, 2016

The members of Congress have over the past 20 years gone from largely being a body of trustees (Vote based on the merits) and delegates (voting the wy their constituents want)  to being a body of almost entirely partisan (voting the way the party wants). If Trump wins and he gets a Republican Congress, he can get virtually anything he wants. if he gets a Democratic Congress, then literally next to nothing will get done.The same would happen in reverse with Hillary. 

The Republican base is united while the leadership is divided, The Democratic leadership is united while the base is divided. I don't know which is worse, this election will tell.

"The Republican base is united while the leadership is divided"

Do you think the evangelicals are even 80% behind Trump?

bigbear29

No, I don't think the evangelicals are 80% behind trump.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

How would you know?

bigbear29

I believe it was because the keystone was not going to give a lot of americans long term jobs.  There are other reasons also.  Like, america was going to get a bad deal.  Also, a lot of the oil was not for the USA.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

I believe it was because the keystone was not going to give a lot of americans long term jobs.  There are other reasons also.  Like, america was going to get a bad deal.  Also, a lot of the oil was not for the USA.

You kidding me?  That project would have meant thousands of short term (high paying) construction jobs and hundreds of permanent jobs.  You have mortgage payments?  Or you on subsidized housing?  If you have huge bills to pay, any freaking job is better than none!  Jesus Christ man!

Yea, and some of that oil is going to other countries.  So what?  Its going there anyway.  Through our pipeline or not.  I'd call that a good deal.

bigbear29

SHORT TERM JOBS for americans!  You are trying to justify it by saying it is better than nothing.  SHORT TERM!

Not a good deal for americans.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

SHORT TERM JOBS for americans!  You are trying to justify it by saying it is better than nothing.  SHORT TERM!

Not a good deal for americans.

Whats the construction schedule?  A year?  Two?  Whats your alternative?  McDonnalds or Walmart?  What do you do for a living anyway?  You don't seem to care about people who work for a living.

bigbear29

Deals like that should be long term for AMERICANS!  Not long term for Canadians on AMERICAN SOIL.  Buying homes, raising a family = LONG TERM support.

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 1, 2016

Whats the construction schedule?  A year?  Two?  Whats your alternative?  McDonnalds or Walmart?  What do you do for a living anyway?  You don't seem to care about people who work for a living.

LIGB

You are wasting your time with him. He probably doesn't even have a job.

bigbear29

Design engineer!

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 1, 2016

How would you know?

The only way to get an idea of what percentage votes will be from the exit polls, but if Trump continues to insult five star families, part of the base will be voting for Hillary.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

Design engineer!

Then act like one.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

just put Bernie back in.

Bernie is an independent that ran as a Democrat. Only time will tell if his agenda continues.

bigbear29

How does a design engineer act?  Why are you getting mad?  It's just opinions.

bigbear29

That is why I can not see myself voting for trump.  Trump should have changed buy now, but he is not going to change.  He needs acting classes to start to act presidential.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 1, 2016

Trumps team had nothing to do with it.  A year ago he wasn't the nominee.

He had no say, but he was informed of the dates last September and had no problem with them until now.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 1, 2016

bigbear you're too much.  Who will Hillbilly debate?  Herself?  They'll reschedule the debate dates.  Nice to have a Presidential candidate with conviction.  Tired of wishy-washy politicians.  Did you know Hillary (a proven liar) was thrown off the Watergate commission for stealing evidence?  That's the type of person you want as President?  Really?

There were no presidential debates in 1964,1968 or 1972 so it's certainly possible they cancel them all, i don't think either candidate wants to debate right now. 

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Aug 1, 2016

Vote for Jill Stein, Kingoeat says she'll help keep porno on the net. gotta love a woman who ......Embarassed

I've never said that you liar, Jill has made no mention of porn nor am i basing my vote on that at all. But Jill's campaign IS focused on college tuition reform and tyhat is obviously something i care a great deal about.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

Hillary leading trump after both conventions.  47% to 41%

The Democrats are supposed to have a bigger bounce out of their convention, if anything +6 is pretty bad.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 1, 2016

"The Republican base is united while the leadership is divided"

Do you think the evangelicals are even 80% behind Trump?

Yes. Mormons are a lot less behind Trump than they should be but they'll come around.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll.html?_r=0

bigbear29

It's going to get bigger.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 1, 2016

LOL!   I can't wait for the debates too!  Trumps an idiot?  Sure, any idiot can make 10 billion dollars starting with 1 million.  Is that why the democrats want to schedule the debate during an NFL football game?  You figure that one out.

Is that an insult or favor to NFL fans?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 2, 2016

Is that an insult or favor to NFL fans?

Depends who's playing.  I heard the first debate is scheduled during a Packers game.  LOL

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Aug 1, 2016

LIGB

You are wasting your time with him. He probably doesn't even have a job.

Yea, you're probably right.  Keystone would be a massive construction project and would get more oil on the market which would help lower the price of gas.  Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.  Anyway, if Trump is elected he will approve the deal.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 2, 2016

Yea, you're probably right.  Keystone would be a massive construction project and would get more oil on the market which would help lower the price of gas.  Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.  Anyway, if Trump is elected he will approve the deal.

The industry’s US jobs claims are linked to a $7 billion KXL project budget. However, the budget for KXL that will have a bearing on US jobs figures is dramatically lower—only around $3 to $4 billion. A lower project budget means fewer jobs. » The project will create no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction jobs for two years, according to TransCanada’s own data supplied to the State Department. » The company’s claim that KXL will create 20,000 direct construction and manufacturing jobs in the U.S is not substantiated. » There is strong evidence to suggest that a large portion of the primary material input for KXL—steel pipe—will not even be produced in the United States. A substantial amount of pipe has already been manufactured in advance of pipeline permit issuance. » The industry’s claim that KXL will create 119,000 total jobs (direct, indirect, and induced) is based on a flawed and poorly documented study commissioned by TransCanada (The Perryman Group study). Perryman wrongly includes over $1 billion in spending and over 10,000 person-years of employment for a section of the Keystone project in Kansas and Oklahoma that is not part of KXL and has already been built. » KXL will not be a major source of US jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at all in putting Americans back to work. Even if the Perryman figures were accurate, and all of the workers for the next phase of the project were hired immediately, the US seasonally adjusted unemployment rate would remain at 9.1%—exactly where it is now. » KXL will divert Tar Sands oil now supplying Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets. As a result, consumers in the Midwest could be paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel fuel. These additional costs (estimated to total $2–4 billion) will suppress other spending and will therefore cost jobs.

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/sites/ilr.cornell.edu/files/GLI_keystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

An independent review.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

An independent and unbiased review from Cornell University?  LOL

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 2, 2016

Yes. Mormons are a lot less behind Trump than they should be but they'll come around.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll.html?_r=0

I'd be shocked if Trump lost Utah, but the winning percentage will be a lot less than the last ten Republicans. IMO, it's more like voting for neither than voting for the other candidate.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 2, 2016

An independent and unbiased review from Cornell University?  LOL

I'm amazed they didn't throw man-made climate change somewhere into that review of Keystone.

bigbear29

So where is your info about keystone, liveingreenbay?????  Sense you disagree with me and Kingofearth!

bigbear29

That might happen that Utah turns blue.  CNN states that it's even in Utah between trump and hillary.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Doesn't matter what I post.  It will just go in one furry bear ear and out the other.

bigbear29

You are just a little know it all!

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 2, 2016

You are just a little know it all!

LOL!

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 2, 2016

That might happen that Utah turns blue.  CNN states that it's even in Utah between trump and hillary.

https://youtu.be/qEnPViFy00E?t=72 

The Red fortress will not be broken this election nor does Hillary need to. All she needs to do is defend the Blue wall and pick up one or two swing states which is enough of a challenge given how poorly she did against Bernie in a bunch of key light blue states like NH and WI.

bigbear29

Yes, I saw one similar on cnn.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Trumps in Green Bay tomorrow.  I'm going to see THE MAN tomorrow.  Weeeeeeeeeeeee

Unluckyone's avatarUnluckyone

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 2, 2016

An independent and unbiased review from Cornell University?  LOL

I noticed that and got a good laugh! LOL

Long Odds

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 1, 2016

From The Fix:  The list of big-name Republicans in Hillary Clinton’s corner just got even longer!  trump screwed up this time.

 

A few weeks ago, we assembled a list of some other prominent GOP voices who said they planned to back Hillary Clinton in the general election. This list will be updated as events warrant.

Richard Armitage, Henry Paulson, Brent Scowcroft. Three big-name former George W. Bush administration officials in the past few weeks have announced that they are supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016 — all because Donald Trump is simply a bridge too far for them.

This is what it looks like when you challenge power and status quo. Trump is being assailed from every major power structure. Do you not have any level of curiosity as to why this is? You can go along in your make believe world that he is an idiot and that is why this is occurring or you may more rightly conclude that an outsider is a threat to the corrupt system. I find anyone voicing support for Hillary laughable- any honest look at her long-term and near-term history will reveal a list of ineptitude and corruption that is mind blowing in its scope. The Republican defectors that you tout as proof that Trump is so unintelligent that even the Republicans hate him is again ignoring that he is also a threat to that power structure. These a-holes thought they were going to jam Jeb down the throats of the voters- this was laughable from the onset but they went and pissed 100 million dollars away in negative adds to secure six delegates. At least the Republican primary voters were wise enough to reject another Bush-Clinton election; the democrats on the other hand went with Hillary- what a joke.

Long Odds

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 1, 2016

The only way to get an idea of what percentage votes will be from the exit polls, but if Trump continues to insult five star families, part of the base will be voting for Hillary.

Insult five star families? Khizr Khan, like all of us, is many things. One of his roles was father to Captain Humayun Khan. Another of his roles is a lawyer that most recently focused his practice on securing EB5 visas for foreign born Muslims seeking to immigrate to the US on what has been characterized as a system that is ripe for abuse and corruption. A previous employment stint was with a law firm that has long prepared the tax returns and provided other legal services to- wait for it- Bill and Hillary Clinton. He, and his colleagues, have numerous and long-term ties to the Clintons. By agreeing to speak at the DNC and unleash a withering attack on Donald Trump he decided to become a major participant in the current election. These are but a few of this man's roles in life. So, as Donald Trump clearly stated, we all honor the sacrifice made by his son, and the pain experienced by the family, it is these other roles of Mr. Khan that can rightfully be challenged.  This is not all that nuanced but it is so much easier to fall in line with the Clinton campaign and media narrative. I wonder if you are one of the willfully ignorant lemmings so important to the democrat party's successes or are you just truly clueless as to what is going on all around you.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Long Odds on Aug 5, 2016

Insult five star families? Khizr Khan, like all of us, is many things. One of his roles was father to Captain Humayun Khan. Another of his roles is a lawyer that most recently focused his practice on securing EB5 visas for foreign born Muslims seeking to immigrate to the US on what has been characterized as a system that is ripe for abuse and corruption. A previous employment stint was with a law firm that has long prepared the tax returns and provided other legal services to- wait for it- Bill and Hillary Clinton. He, and his colleagues, have numerous and long-term ties to the Clintons. By agreeing to speak at the DNC and unleash a withering attack on Donald Trump he decided to become a major participant in the current election. These are but a few of this man's roles in life. So, as Donald Trump clearly stated, we all honor the sacrifice made by his son, and the pain experienced by the family, it is these other roles of Mr. Khan that can rightfully be challenged.  This is not all that nuanced but it is so much easier to fall in line with the Clinton campaign and media narrative. I wonder if you are one of the willfully ignorant lemmings so important to the democrat party's successes or are you just truly clueless as to what is going on all around you.

Well said long odds.

Skibunnylk's avatarSkibunnylk

Enjoyed your posts "long odds". Those who support Obama have absolutely no clue just how damaging "fundamentally changing America" has altered the America we all have known and loved.

bigbear29

Bottomline is that the way things are going now, trump can not win the white house!  All of the poles for trump are dropping.  That is the bottomline!  In most cases, Hillary has a double digit lead.

 

Another lie from trump, "he saw the video of the money being unloaded".  Why would he say that?  Now today, he stated that he did not see that.  Another lie!

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Skibunnylk on Aug 5, 2016

Enjoyed your posts "long odds". Those who support Obama have absolutely no clue just how damaging "fundamentally changing America" has altered the America we all have known and loved.

Obama's "health care solution" is a far-right conservative fairy tale. We need to repeal and replace it with real health care for all. His actions on gun control are insane as all he did was all crazy people to carry arsenals onto Amtrak trains. Obama spoke like a progressive but he was a conservative in progressive clothing.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 4, 2016

Trumps in Green Bay tomorrow.  I'm going to see THE MAN tomorrow.  Weeeeeeeeeeeee

Good for you GreenBay!! I'd like to see him too.

Long Odds

So, you're a real student of history, huh? Certainly there's never been an election result that differed from what polls were showing, even polls that were done much closer to an election than where we are at present. But bigbear has pronounced it so let it be so.

bigbear29

I think this one is different from past history.  Trump has pushed himself away from different groups: black votes, hispanic votes, Muslim votes, a lot of women votes, some of the republican votes, big business votes, wall street votes and now he endorses Ryan and McCain because he needs the votes.  This is different from past history.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 6, 2016

I think this one is different from past history.  Trump has pushed himself away from different groups: black votes, hispanic votes, Muslim votes, a lot of women votes, some of the republican votes, big business votes, wall street votes and now he endorses Ryan and McCain because he needs the votes.  This is different from past history.

He pushed himself away from different groups?

  1.  Blacks...Because he wants law and order?
  2.  Hispanics...Because he wants to secure the southern border?
  3.  Muslims...Because he doesn't want potential terrorists coming into this country from terror hot spots?
  4.  Women...LOL.
  5.  Big business...LOL.
  6.  Wall street?  Can you say lobbyists?

Don't look now but the majority of Americans (including the "minorities" you indicate) support what he stands for.  Channel surfed the nightly news last week, it was a liberal non-stop bash attack on Trump every night.  Those polls you cited in an earlier post are skewed.  Look at his rallies, thousands and thousands of people.  Look at Hillary's rallies...No excitement there.

bigbear29

WOW!  I can not believe what you posted!  I see why you are voting for trump.  1 - 6 shows that you are an IDIOT!

 

1 - 6 is going to get their votes?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

LOL bigbear...Black people don't want safety in their neighborhoods?  Muslims like to be blown to bits by radical jihadists?  Not everyone is a government handout deadbeat like you.  Wait and see.

bigbear29

You are one of the reasons that trump is not going to win.

Total ignorance!

 

This is not the primaries, trump has to add votes to win.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 6, 2016

He pushed himself away from different groups?

  1.  Blacks...Because he wants law and order?
  2.  Hispanics...Because he wants to secure the southern border?
  3.  Muslims...Because he doesn't want potential terrorists coming into this country from terror hot spots?
  4.  Women...LOL.
  5.  Big business...LOL.
  6.  Wall street?  Can you say lobbyists?

Don't look now but the majority of Americans (including the "minorities" you indicate) support what he stands for.  Channel surfed the nightly news last week, it was a liberal non-stop bash attack on Trump every night.  Those polls you cited in an earlier post are skewed.  Look at his rallies, thousands and thousands of people.  Look at Hillary's rallies...No excitement there.

She wants to raise taxes on the middle class, check out coin tosses blog, word came right out of her mouth, then check out my blog. Remember to Thank Hillary.

An engineer makes good money bear, why would you want to give it away?

Do you need to eat, shelter, clothes?

bigbear29

Yes, I heard that speech and I think it was in error.  I'm sure it was a lot of middle class people in the audience.  It was an error, Hillary's poles would be down if that was true.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 6, 2016

Yes, I heard that speech and I think it was in error.  I'm sure it was a lot of middle class people in the audience.  It was an error, Hillary's poles would be down if that was true.

Freudian slip.

Skibunnylk's avatarSkibunnylk

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 5, 2016

Obama's "health care solution" is a far-right conservative fairy tale. We need to repeal and replace it with real health care for all. His actions on gun control are insane as all he did was all crazy people to carry arsenals onto Amtrak trains. Obama spoke like a progressive but he was a conservative in progressive clothing.

I agree with what you mentioned but their was a little discrepancy. Obamacare is not a far-right conservative fairy tale and he is the furthest thing from being a conservative.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

I live close in to DC in a very over the top liberal suburb. This morning I was getting my hair cut, and both the owner and one of her employees (Asian and Hispanic) were openly saying how scared they were of Hillary and about the 2 DNC murders. Look it up. They remarked how people have to open their eyes. I was so pleasantly surprised. You have no idea how unusual this is for this area. Wait till more emails are released in October. The lead attorney in the  anti Clinton fraud case was found dead yesterday.

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destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 6, 2016

I live close in to DC in a very over the top liberal suburb. This morning I was getting my hair cut, and both the owner and one of her employees (Asian and Hispanic) were openly saying how scared they were of Hillary and about the 2 DNC murders. Look it up. They remarked how people have to open their eyes. I was so pleasantly surprised. You have no idea how unusual this is for this area. Wait till more emails are released in October. The lead attorney in the  anti Clinton fraud case was found dead yesterday.

"The lead attorney in the  anti Clinton fraud case was found dead yesterday."

Who is the lead attorney in the anti-Clinton fraud case ??  How did he die ???

Do the Clintons have a HIT TEAM in place ???  If so, how have they gotten away with this for years ???

 

Emily posted "A Short List of Clinton Associates Now Dead" in her blog. 

 

Has the Clinton Hit Team been substantiated and investigated by the FBI and/or Secret Service, or whomever ???

What is actually going on behind the scenes, that all of these very scary death "coincidences" linked to the Clintons are still happening ???

Skibunnylk's avatarSkibunnylk

A few weeks ago just before Bernie Sanders announced his support for Hillary, a young DNC staffer named Seth Rich was murdered at 4AM in DC and robbery was not a motive. He was due to testify against Clinton. A lot of people associated with the Clintons have mysteriously came up dead.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 6, 2016

LOL bigbear...Black people don't want safety in their neighborhoods?  Muslims like to be blown to bits by radical jihadists?  Not everyone is a government handout deadbeat like you.  Wait and see.

And that's Trump biggest challenge. His base is the 47% who don't pay taxes (the elderly and southern republicans). There are some taxpayers who are supporting trump, but will it be enough?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Skibunnylk on Aug 6, 2016

I agree with what you mentioned but their was a little discrepancy. Obamacare is not a far-right conservative fairy tale and he is the furthest thing from being a conservative.

Obamacare was created by the far-right Heritage Foundation as the far-right alternative to the center-left healthcare plan that the Clinton's proposed. Then it was abound ones until Governor Romney of Massachusetts dug it up and fixed it to make it work. Obama being a center-right conservative took Romneycare as his own solution. Obama is a moderate conservative who had brought little change, especially little positive change, to this country.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

And that's Trump biggest challenge. His base is the 47% who don't pay taxes (the elderly and southern republicans). There are some taxpayers who are supporting trump, but will it be enough?

Not sure we're you get your news but saying Trump's base is the 47% who don't pay their taxes is borderline insane. I highly suggest you look elsewhere if you want relevant and truthful news.

destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 6, 2016

"The lead attorney in the  anti Clinton fraud case was found dead yesterday."

Who is the lead attorney in the anti-Clinton fraud case ??  How did he die ???

Do the Clintons have a HIT TEAM in place ???  If so, how have they gotten away with this for years ???

 

Emily posted "A Short List of Clinton Associates Now Dead" in her blog. 

 

Has the Clinton Hit Team been substantiated and investigated by the FBI and/or Secret Service, or whomever ???

What is actually going on behind the scenes, that all of these very scary death "coincidences" linked to the Clintons are still happening ???

googled this " dead lead attorney" business:

"On July 3, 2016, Shawn Lucas and filmmaker Ricardo Villaba served the DNC Services Corp. and Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz at DNC’s headquarters in Washington, D.C., in the fraud class action suit against the Democrat Party on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters (this was before Wikileaks released documents proving the DNC was working against the Sanders campaign during the 2016 primary)."

"An unconfirmed report holds that Lucas was found lying on the bathroom floor by his girlfriend when she returned home on the evening of 2 August 2016. Paramedics responding to her 911 call found no signs of life."

"There are no other details about Lucas’ cause of death and reporters were unable to confirm anything more than the fact he had passed away."

"Some versions of the rumor tried to associated Lucas with a sinister plot linked to Hillary Clinton by asserting that he was the "lead attorney" in the DNC lawsuit, but he was just one of the process servers who delivered papers to a DNC office. (Lucas was named in a motion  filed on 22 July 2016 by the DNC, seeking to dismiss the suit on partial grounds of improper service.)"

This information was taken from news sites on the Internet. [Snopes and Zero Hedge]

If everyone who crosses Clinton ends up DEAD, Hillary Clinton might be scarier than Donald Trump

All of the political candidates have some new ideas and a political agenda that they're trying to accomplish.

Personally, I'm choosing to vote for CHARACTER this Election Year 2016, and choose the lesser of all of the Evils.  I will be casting my vote for JILL STEIN for President, whether she has a chance of winning, or not.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 6, 2016

"The lead attorney in the  anti Clinton fraud case was found dead yesterday."

Who is the lead attorney in the anti-Clinton fraud case ??  How did he die ???

Do the Clintons have a HIT TEAM in place ???  If so, how have they gotten away with this for years ???

 

Emily posted "A Short List of Clinton Associates Now Dead" in her blog. 

 

Has the Clinton Hit Team been substantiated and investigated by the FBI and/or Secret Service, or whomever ???

What is actually going on behind the scenes, that all of these very scary death "coincidences" linked to the Clintons are still happening ???

I think we have seen how organizations protect the Clintons. Look at the DNC.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 6, 2016

googled this " dead lead attorney" business:

"On July 3, 2016, Shawn Lucas and filmmaker Ricardo Villaba served the DNC Services Corp. and Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz at DNC’s headquarters in Washington, D.C., in the fraud class action suit against the Democrat Party on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters (this was before Wikileaks released documents proving the DNC was working against the Sanders campaign during the 2016 primary)."

"An unconfirmed report holds that Lucas was found lying on the bathroom floor by his girlfriend when she returned home on the evening of 2 August 2016. Paramedics responding to her 911 call found no signs of life."

"There are no other details about Lucas’ cause of death and reporters were unable to confirm anything more than the fact he had passed away."

"Some versions of the rumor tried to associated Lucas with a sinister plot linked to Hillary Clinton by asserting that he was the "lead attorney" in the DNC lawsuit, but he was just one of the process servers who delivered papers to a DNC office. (Lucas was named in a motion  filed on 22 July 2016 by the DNC, seeking to dismiss the suit on partial grounds of improper service.)"

This information was taken from news sites on the Internet. [Snopes and Zero Hedge]

If everyone who crosses Clinton ends up DEAD, Hillary Clinton might be scarier than Donald Trump

All of the political candidates have some new ideas and a political agenda that they're trying to accomplish.

Personally, I'm choosing to vote for CHARACTER this Election Year 2016, and choose the lesser of all of the Evils.  I will be casting my vote for JILL STEIN for President, whether she has a chance of winning, or not.

He was named in the motion seeking to dismiss the suit. Obviously he was not unimportant or irrelevant  to the matter.

destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 6, 2016

He was named in the motion seeking to dismiss the suit. Obviously he was not unimportant or irrelevant  to the matter.

Anyone who is DEAD for no apparent or good reason, is a Relevant Human Being.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 6, 2016

Not sure we're you get your news but saying Trump's base is the 47% who don't pay their taxes is borderline insane. I highly suggest you look elsewhere if you want relevant and truthful news.

bigbear29

Trump polls miserably among Asian Americans

Donald Trump is wildly unpopular among Asian-American voters, who are flocking to the Democratic Party, according to a new survey.

Only 19 percent of Asian Americans hold a favorable view of the presumptive Republican nominee, according to a survey of more than 1,000 registered Asian Americans conducted by three Asian-American NGOs, while 61 percent view him unfavorably.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-asian-american-223502#ixzz4GZuPeVQ8
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Most Asian-Americans don't favour Donald Trump: Survey

The most recent Asian voter survey, released by three Asian-American non-profit organisations, shows that 61 per cent of registered Asian- American voters have an unfavourable opinion of Mr Trump and only 19 per cent look upon him favourably.

Candidate preferences aside, the Democrats also have a favourability rating of 64 per cent with Asian- Americans compared with 31 per cent for the Republicans.

And as the Asian-American demographic grows - it is projected that Asians will be the largest immigrant group in the country by 2065 - many argue that this is one community that should no longer be ignored.

emilyg's avataremilyg

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 6, 2016

I live close in to DC in a very over the top liberal suburb. This morning I was getting my hair cut, and both the owner and one of her employees (Asian and Hispanic) were openly saying how scared they were of Hillary and about the 2 DNC murders. Look it up. They remarked how people have to open their eyes. I was so pleasantly surprised. You have no idea how unusual this is for this area. Wait till more emails are released in October. The lead attorney in the  anti Clinton fraud case was found dead yesterday.

Check out my blog on 2 articles about Clinton.

bigbear29

Trump is going nowhere with Latino voters. Here’s the proof

David Damore and Matt Barreto at Latino Decisions went the extra step of looking at six swing states with large or emerging Latino electorates and whose electoral votes will be infinitely more important than total national vote. They can only be described as rough terrain for the Republican Party. Below are those states and the percentage of Latino vote needed for the GOP nominee to win the state, assuming black turnout is not as high in November as it was in 2008 or 2012 and the Latino share of the electorate “slightly increases.”

New Mexico (42 percent): Obama won this state in 2012. Exit polls show Latinos were 37 percent of the electorate. Romney got 29 percent of that vote. Obama got 65 percent.

Ohio (43 percent): Obama won this state in 2012. Exit polls show Latinos were 3 percent of the electorate. Romney got 42 percent of that vote. Obama got 54 percent.

Colorado (44 percent): Obama won this state in 2012. Exit polls show Latinos were 14 percent of the electorate. Romney got 23 percent of that vote. Obama got 75 percent.

Nevada (45 percent): Obama won this state in 2012. Exit polls show Latinos were 19 percent of the electorate. Romney got 24 percent of that vote. Obama got 71 percent.

Virginia (46 percent): Obama won this state in 2012. Exit polls show Latinos were 5 percent of the electorate. Romney got 33 percent of that vote. Obama got 64 percent.

Florida (47 percent): Obama won this state in 2012. Exit polls show Latinos were 17 percent of the electorate. Romney got 39 percent of that vote. Obama got 60 percent.

The Latino Decisions battleground survey from April shows that Trump’s unfavorable rating is an astronomical 87 percent among Latino registered voters. It’s 91 percent in Colorado, 87 percent in Nevada and 84 percent in Florida.

bigbear29

Only 1 Percent Of Black Voters Support Donald Trump

The GOP presidential nominee polls at a record low among a demographic key to winning the general election

 

WASHINGTON ? Rounding out one of the worst weeks in his presidential campaign, Donald Trump faces yet another sad reality. According to new NBC/Wall Street Journal polling released Thursday, only 1 percent of black voters nationally support the Republican nominee.

This is the lowest level of support ever recorded among the demographic, indicating that a sentiment  already present among black voters in swing states is widespread.  Trump also suffers among Hispanic voters, garnering just 26 percent of their vote, according to an Economist/YouGov poll released earlier this week.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

Facts are borderline insanity?

Facts? what a joke! Benzinga is a radical progressive blog site and business insider gets the majority of their news articles from left wing bloggers such as Benzinga. With sources like these it's no wonder you are so ill informed.

FYI, articles written by bloggers aren't known for facts, rather they contain viewpoints that align with their ideology.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

Facts are borderline insanity?

Facts?  LOL!  That article was written by Benzinga, did you even read it?  Talk about disgusting language from a far left, democrat leaning source.  There are many reasons for taxes paid and taxes received from the feds.  As a famous politician once said...Its the economy stupid.  What party ran this economy for the last 7+ years?  Here is another fact, this economy has the slowest growth rate since 1949.  Trump policies can help stimulate the economy, Hillary will be more of that same liberal malaise.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Bigbear stop posting BS from pro-illegal immigration latino groups, Politico and NBC.  You're embarrassing yourself.

Unluckyone's avatarUnluckyone

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

Facts are borderline insanity?

Your so called facts are based on a far-left blog site. Benzinga is a joke among their peers and present their viewpoints to unsuspecting, gullible individuals such as yourself.

bigbear29

And you are showing that you are an idiot!

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by emilyg on Aug 6, 2016

Check out my blog on 2 articles about Clinton.

Antichrist at any and all costs.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 5, 2016

Bottomline is that the way things are going now, trump can not win the white house!  All of the poles for trump are dropping.  That is the bottomline!  In most cases, Hillary has a double digit lead.

 

Another lie from trump, "he saw the video of the money being unloaded".  Why would he say that?  Now today, he stated that he did not see that.  Another lie!

Hey bigbear, stop calling me an idiot just because I have a different viewpoint than you.  BTW, which pole are you referring to?  The north or south pole?  LOL

bigbear29

Than grow up you little SOB!

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 6, 2016

Facts? what a joke! Benzinga is a radical progressive blog site and business insider gets the majority of their news articles from left wing bloggers such as Benzinga. With sources like these it's no wonder you are so ill informed.

FYI, articles written by bloggers aren't known for facts, rather they contain viewpoints that align with their ideology.

What are some good non-partisan sources for info on the election?

Unluckyone's avatarUnluckyone

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Aug 6, 2016

What are some good non-partisan sources for info on the election?

I can't speak for Drenick but I would say that Fox news even though they tend to lean right is probably the fairest as they do have a few left leaning anchors. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS are well known for being in the tank for Democrats. Over 90% of their employees are registered Democrats while a few worked for Hillary herself.

bigbear29

I think fox news is just like the rest of the news stations.  So I watch foxnews, cnn, and msnbc to try and get the big picture.  Certain shows on fox seem to really push right sometimes in a childess way, but my favorite would be morning joe on msnbc.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 6, 2016

Facts? what a joke! Benzinga is a radical progressive blog site and business insider gets the majority of their news articles from left wing bloggers such as Benzinga. With sources like these it's no wonder you are so ill informed.

FYI, articles written by bloggers aren't known for facts, rather they contain viewpoints that align with their ideology.

Try to find something false about it. You can't. I wouldn't post a source that isn't true. You're free to go try to find a source that shows Mississippi isn't a big welfare leech, but you know you can't.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

Facts are borderline insanity?

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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Thanks Mike, you are awesome!

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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Wow !!! You certainly had a lot to say !!! This is the longest post I've ever read !!!

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Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Aug 6, 2016

Thanks Mike, you are awesome!

Yes, I am, aren't I? Embarassed

I only wish I had been born rich instead of handsome. Wink

I'm also exceedingly humble. ROFL

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Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 6, 2016

Wow !!! You certainly had a lot to say !!! This is the longest post I've ever read !!!

Well, there were a LOT of lies to address. 

Thanks for reading it.

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

Yes, I am, aren't I? Embarassed

I only wish I had been born rich instead of handsome. Wink

I'm also exceedingly humble. ROFL

Excellent post.  Thank you humble man.

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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Too long to addres everything but i will point out three things

Davy Crockett- I raise the white flag. That was an overstepping beyond what i know. 

Christian Taliban - http://www.wral.com/proposal-supports-state-religion-in-north-carolina/12296876/

No one lives in Wyoming or South Dakota - I forgot what exactly i was replying to but i wasn't in any way trying to demean these states like you're proposing. I'll look and see the context for why i said it.

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Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

Too long to addres everything but i will point out three things

Davy Crockett- I raise the white flag. That was an overstepping beyond what i know. 

Christian Taliban - http://www.wral.com/proposal-supports-state-religion-in-north-carolina/12296876/

No one lives in Wyoming or South Dakota - I forgot what exactly i was replying to but i wasn't in any way trying to demean these states like you're proposing. I'll look and see the context for why i said it.

"That was an overstepping beyond what i know."

That pretty much describes EVERYTHING you opine upon.  The trouble with your posts is that you give an opinion and expect everyone to support it as fact...and the "facts " you pull out of thin air (or out of that smelly place I mentioned in my "too long" post) are anything but facts. 

Typical of your stereotyping, you take ONE proposal in ONE state and ascribe it to every other state..well, "red" states, anyway.   It's easy to see your "context".

Face it, you were wrong on every point I brought up, esp. in regards to your "facts".

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

Yes, I am, aren't I? Embarassed

I only wish I had been born rich instead of handsome. Wink

I'm also exceedingly humble. ROFL

 Great post!

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Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 6, 2016

Than grow up you little SOB!

Hey genius...Its "then" not "than".  Yea you're an engineer...Sure.  LOL

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Face it Kingofearth...Mike schooled you.  Boxing

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Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 7, 2016

Face it Kingofearth...Mike schooled you.  Boxing

Mike is the king of real research.

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Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jul 26, 2016

Went to my class reunion a couple weeks ago, many of the people there I have not seen since the 70's.

The hot topic was not politics, but how the world has changed , and how our kids are growing up .

My son was 2 when Islamic Terrorists flew planes into the world trade center, this is his world to adapt to .

He will never know what was like going to an airport, concert or Hockey game without being searched and scrutinized.

He is living with technology we never dreamed was possible.

Back in our day, the big argument was who's cuter, David Gilmour or Roger Taylor, now everything is an argument.

This Country has gone insane with political correctness, if you disagree, you get a label and depending on the topic, you could be Racist, bigot, hater, homophobe etc.

In our day we watched Little house on the Prairie, the Waltons or a family themed comedy/music show.

Now the TV is filled with reality shows, people in constant conflict, or people living lives that are not even close to real.

Survival shows top the lists.

I guess it doesn't matter who is elected, I was taught to survive long before these shows popped up.

I not only know how to grow food, I hunt, fish and can find food in the forest.

For my son's sake, for the world he has to grow up in, I want a leader who is willing to say and do the things we need, to keep us just a little safer.

Some things you can't control, but we need a leader who can make it harder for those who mean to harm us.

Trump has my vote. US Flag

Even in the past 10 years, the change is unreal. I used to love the Big Brother tv show and it had a diversity  of people and ages. I stopped watching it since it became all young jerks with no moral values.

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Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 7, 2016

Mike is the king of real research.

Thanks, Artist!

Did you know that 83.2% of all leftists are pedophiles?  That number goes up to 97.9% when they're leftists of college age who live in New York state.

I don't have a link for that, but I'm sure I can find some dicey website that has those figures and passes them off as factual.

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Quote: Originally posted by emilyg on Aug 6, 2016

Excellent post.  Thank you humble man.

Thumbs Up

Thanks, Emily! 

Of course, it's better to be a humble man than a knuckle dragging Neanderthal like the leftists think Conservative men are, huh?

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Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 7, 2016

Face it Kingofearth...Mike schooled you.  Boxing

Well, it took a few hours to dig through KingofDerp's posts, then another couple of hours to look up actual statistics and another hour or so and a few re-writes to polish off my rebuttal, but it's always fulfilling to assist a special needs child.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 7, 2016

Thanks, Artist!

Did you know that 83.2% of all leftists are pedophiles?  That number goes up to 97.9% when they're leftists of college age who live in New York state.

I don't have a link for that, but I'm sure I can find some dicey website that has those figures and passes them off as factual.

Lol lol

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 7, 2016

Well, it took a few hours to dig through KingofDerp's posts, then another couple of hours to look up actual statistics and another hour or so and a few re-writes to polish off my rebuttal, but it's always fulfilling to assist a special needs child.

Dang, Mike, that was impressive.

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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Awesome post!

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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After reading your entire post, I am left speechless but do want to thank you for all your research on debunking these clueless lefties. Very well laid out! Cheers

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Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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Mike- All I can say is WOW! You put an awful lot of time and effort into your response and I want to praise you for that! I have neither the time or patience to construct a rebuttal to such nonsense that is being displayed by some of these leftist individuals.

Props to you Mike!

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Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 6, 2016

Too long to addres everything but i will point out three things

Davy Crockett- I raise the white flag. That was an overstepping beyond what i know. 

Christian Taliban - http://www.wral.com/proposal-supports-state-religion-in-north-carolina/12296876/

No one lives in Wyoming or South Dakota - I forgot what exactly i was replying to but i wasn't in any way trying to demean these states like you're proposing. I'll look and see the context for why i said it.

King, big of you to back step a bit and consider you may have slipped up on some points.
Your post here shows some humility. I like sully, you've been hard on her but sully stands up
very, very well for herself and that's part of why I like her, besides, she's always been nice to
me. Don't squelch yourself, it's a discussion forum. Everyone has a different opinion, I don't
agree with you on some things but you know how you feel and just like everyone else, have
the option of posting what you think. Maybe you'll come around just in time to cast your vote
for Trump...or make a mistake in the voting box LOL You are hard to like sometimes, but
you're not totally gone yet...and even if your views are off-base, you have shown some intellect
in your responses, subject matter aside, you are not a dummy.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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I point out that Bernie is a centrist, all you do is laugh

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/manifesto2015/ConservativeManifesto2015.pdf 

The UK Conservative Party Platform is nearly identical to what Bernie has been talking about. 

I call Bernie a centrist because America is more right wing than grown up countries like the UK but he's NOT left wing in any way shape or form. 

Never called for banning of all guns, just have sensible regulations like Australia.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 7, 2016

"That was an overstepping beyond what i know."

That pretty much describes EVERYTHING you opine upon.  The trouble with your posts is that you give an opinion and expect everyone to support it as fact...and the "facts " you pull out of thin air (or out of that smelly place I mentioned in my "too long" post) are anything but facts. 

Typical of your stereotyping, you take ONE proposal in ONE state and ascribe it to every other state..well, "red" states, anyway.   It's easy to see your "context".

Face it, you were wrong on every point I brought up, esp. in regards to your "facts".

You say Christian Taliban don't exist

I show you proof that they do

You call it stereotyping

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 7, 2016

King, big of you to back step a bit and consider you may have slipped up on some points.
Your post here shows some humility. I like sully, you've been hard on her but sully stands up
very, very well for herself and that's part of why I like her, besides, she's always been nice to
me. Don't squelch yourself, it's a discussion forum. Everyone has a different opinion, I don't
agree with you on some things but you know how you feel and just like everyone else, have
the option of posting what you think. Maybe you'll come around just in time to cast your vote
for Trump...or make a mistake in the voting box LOL You are hard to like sometimes, but
you're not totally gone yet...and even if your views are off-base, you have shown some intellect
in your responses, subject matter aside, you are not a dummy.

Cheers I know my politics are quite on the far end of the spectrum but that doesn't mean we can't get along. I joined LP because i want to get better as a lottery player, and while i'm happy to express my political views, we should all remember that we're here to get rich or die trying.

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Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 7, 2016

You say Christian Taliban don't exist

I show you proof that they do

You call it stereotyping

That wasn't proof, not by a long shot.  That N.C. case was about two representatives who introduced a bill in response to an ACLU lawsuit that was trying to ban a prayer before the Rowan Co. commissioners meeting.  Three other reps. signed on as co-sponsors for a total of five...out of 120 members of the General Assembly.

Stereotyping is to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same.  That's what you do all the time.  You take five men, 4% of the state representatives, and not only paint the other 96% with the same bigoted brush, you do it to all Christians.

Admitting you're a bigot would be the first step towards curing that particular character flaw you have.  We'll work on your pathological lying at a later date. 

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Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 7, 2016

I point out that Bernie is a centrist, all you do is laugh

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/manifesto2015/ConservativeManifesto2015.pdf 

The UK Conservative Party Platform is nearly identical to what Bernie has been talking about. 

I call Bernie a centrist because America is more right wing than grown up countries like the UK but he's NOT left wing in any way shape or form. 

Never called for banning of all guns, just have sensible regulations like Australia.

I laugh because the notion that Sanders is anything but a Communist is laughable.

"Sensible regulations like Australia"?  You can't compare our Constitutional right to bear arms with Australia because they never had the same right.

"Grown up countries"? Get back to me on that when YOU grow up.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Even the Bible has hope for the likes of you, Derp.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

27 pages and 3 months to go before the election.  Any money says we'll hit 100 pages by then.  I caught a story today about that uranium scientist executed by Iran.  Could be a result of Hillary's unsecured emails.  Its that's true...She will go to prison.

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Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Aug 7, 2016

Dang, Mike, that was impressive.

I have my moments, rcb.  To be honest, it was low-hanging fruit.

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Quote: Originally posted by ArizonaDream on Aug 7, 2016

Awesome post!

Thank you!

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Quote: Originally posted by Unluckyone on Aug 7, 2016

After reading your entire post, I am left speechless but do want to thank you for all your research on debunking these clueless lefties. Very well laid out! Cheers

You're most certainly welcome. I simply couldn't let the lies continue.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 7, 2016

I laugh because the notion that Sanders is anything but a Communist is laughable.

"Sensible regulations like Australia"?  You can't compare our Constitutional right to bear arms with Australia because they never had the same right.

"Grown up countries"? Get back to me on that when YOU grow up.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Even the Bible has hope for the likes of you, Derp.

 Mike,

Didn't we win a war against that "grown up" country? Didn't we save the "grown up" country and many others during WW 2?

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Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 7, 2016

Mike- All I can say is WOW! You put an awful lot of time and effort into your response and I want to praise you for that! I have neither the time or patience to construct a rebuttal to such nonsense that is being displayed by some of these leftist individuals.

Props to you Mike!

Thanks, Drenick.   Truth always defeats the forces of evil.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 7, 2016

 Mike,

Didn't we win a war against that "grown up" country? Didn't we save the "grown up" country and many others during WW 2?

Hey Artist...I read your recent posts and read you're going to vote for Jill Stein.  Did you know her stance on the military?  She wants to cut the military budget by 30%.  If that were to happen, its almost a guarantee, we'll be involved in a major war, maybe nuclear, in the very near future.  There's only one reason we weren't attacked by now, its because we were strong.  So what's more important?  Being green or being dead?

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Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 7, 2016

 Mike,

Didn't we win a war against that "grown up" country? Didn't we save the "grown up" country and many others during WW 2?

Two wars, actually.

I'd agree with the second question up to a point.  We can't forget the contributions of glorious Mother Russia, what with her sacrificing millions as cannon fodder for the German army, marching them unarmed into the teeth of the Nazi guns, using men to clear mine fields by forcing them at bayonet to lead the charge.  Of course, that's the Socialist side of the spectrum that has such respect for human life.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 7, 2016

Hey Artist...I read your recent posts and read you're going to vote for Jill Stein.  Did you know her stance on the military?  She wants to cut the military budget by 30%.  If that were to happen, its almost a guarantee, we'll be involved in a major war, maybe nuclear, in the very near future.  There's only one reason we weren't attacked by now, its because we were strong.  So what's more important?  Being green or being dead?

 I would bet against that being the case.  I believe Ms. Artist is a Trump supporter.  I think Derp has come out for the Green Party, maybe it was in a reply to him where you saw that.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 7, 2016

 I would bet against that being the case.  I believe Ms. Artist is a Trump supporter.  I think Derp has come out for the Green Party, maybe it was in a reply to him where you saw that.

Thank you. He is confusing me with Derp? Omg. Lol Being rather green in my lifestyle and being a vegetarian,  does not equate with Jill Stein. I don't discourage voting for Stein however if you are on the fence since those votes tend to come from Hillary's side.

 

And Greenbay, I live and work in the city that will likely get nuked first. I have had more dreams on this than you will ever know. We are almost out of time.

Trump 2016

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 6, 2016

No, KingofDerp, facts aren't "borderline insanity" but someone would have to be crazy to believe the ones you've spewed forth.

You challenged:  Then do it, show us something this (that is?)  contradictory or factually incorrect.

I went through your posts and picked out your "greatest hits" to focus upon.  "They didn't have a good beat, Dick, and were hard to dance to!"  Sorry, showing my age.  I think they're in reverse order for the most part, most recent to earliest, although there are a few I combined under the same topic. 

Who cares? They're all a crock, anyway.

I want to preface my rebuttal with how I want to point out I have tried to avoid using the term "Liberal", especially as a pejorative and have instead opted for "Progressive".  Classical liberalism makes up a large part of my own personal political beliefs.

The next several come from the same vomitus in a single post.

Conservatives and Republicans oppose the minimum wage

No, they don't.  A Pew research poll from a few years back said half of Republicans support a raise in min. wage.  I've since seen other more recent polls that show a majority of Republicans favor an increase,  but not to the levels the Democrats propose.

As has been explained to you in here, min. wage was always intended to be a starting wage for people entering the work force, not a perpetual one. I've read that, in McDonalds case, it wouldn't raise the price of a burger by much. That's probably true in some other areas, too, but I'd also bet it will reduce the numbers of those entry level employees hired. McD's is already working on automation and I bet other businesses will follow suit because labor costs are usually 70% of any business's overhead. Sure, raise it if you must, but it HAS to be gradual or the wage hike will have some adverse repercussions, a ripple effect which would turn into a tidal wave and wreak havoc with our economy. 

That's one of the most fundamental differences between Progressives and Conservatives; a Conservative says "Wait a minute, let's not be too hasty, let's think about it, discuss it before doing anything." Progressives are like spoiled children, wanting something not just NOW, but yesterday and they hold their breath and stomp their widdle feet until the adults (Conservatives) give in.

support homophobia

Sure, you have some religious types who were anti-gay marriage, dislike the gay "lifestyle", but at least they're steadfast in their opposition while many Democrats only switched when they saw which way the political wind was blowing. Me? I'm a conservative small L libertarian and I had no objection other than semantics. Marriage has always been defined as a religious union between a man and a woman. (and "gay" meant happy) On the civil rights side, I saw nothing wrong with civil unions, but my libertarian bent makes me chafe that govt. has ANYTHING to do with marriage to begin with.

support women dying from illegal abortions etc etc, it's pretty clear which side of the spectrum has concern for human life

Ah, the "coat hanger" argument. Doesn't fly, Mommie Dearest. I want to say "most", but instead will say "many" conservatives would allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. "Back alley abortions" account for only 200 at most each year, as opposed to the nearly million legal abortions. It's estimated that there have been well over 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. That's a staggering number, but what I find sickening is how abortion is celebrated as a woman's right to choose, yet nothing is mentioned about the unborn's right to life, their civil rights being terminated along with the pregnancy. Of course, since the baby is "only a lump of tissue", then they have no rights, right?

All that said, it's the law but there's also nothing illegal about people being against the practice. (unless the only opinion that counts is yours and those like-minded, huh?) There is a need for regulation, though, because it is a medical procedure, after all.  Even a transgender person is required to have counseling before surgery.
"Up to the point of viability!" is the cry of abortion supporters, a reluctant sop to those who would reasonably restrict abortion to before the last trimester.  Why stop there, why not do "post-birth" abortions? I mean...a baby can't live w/out care from the mother (and/or father) for several years after being born. Good grief, I know teenagers and grown men who couldn't survive on their own for more than a week w/out someone taking care of them.

No, let's extend that time to at least a year after birth. That way you Progressives can get rid of the mentally challenged, the crippled, the wrong sex, the ones that are unattractive...just name the defect, and terminate it and the "host" that carries it. A financial burden?  Throw it in the trash. Ruin your figure?  Abort the "lump".  Simply can't be bothered?  Throw the baby out with the bathwater!  We all know that's what you Progressives want, what your leftist heroes of the past did. THAT'S the "side of the spectrum" that has no concern for human life.

Not long ago I read an article that called for climate change deniers to be killed. That's the Progressive way, right? How many did Stalin and Mao, other leftists, murder only because they dared to speak out? Do the research on THAT and get back to me about "which spectrum" values human life more.

Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.

Sanders, a centrist? Bwwaaaaa!

The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left

Did I spell "Bwwaaaa!" correctly above? That comes close to the most idiotic thing you've ever said, not to mention the biggest whopper.

Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.

Oops, your beloved Wiki says otherwise: Coonskin cap  I won't post the information, but I want you to read it with your own lyin' eyes.  Needless to say, the cap existed long before The Battle of the Alamo.

(I know a little bit about coons because my pop used to hunt them when I was just a little guy.  He must have started feeling guilty about it because later when I was a young man, he'd bring home abandoned raccoon kits and we'd raise them.  One used to love to ride on his shoulder while he drove around checking his leases.  Here's a short lesson in coon anatomy, just to lighten up this post a bit)

I see that you're choosing to believe the Billy Bob Thornton movie version instead of The Duke's. Fine by me, but it serves as proof you prefer to get your history from Hollywood movies instead of books.  Once again, from Wiki: Davy Crockett "All that is certain (my emphasis) about the fate of David Crockett is that he died fighting at the Alamo on the morning of March 6, 1836, at age 49."

Being a Texan and lover of history, I already knew that the Billy Bob movie version ending came from a Mexican officer's journal, a man named la Peña. Due to the fact that no other manuscript has ever been uncovered corroborating la Peña's account, it's not been accepted as anything close to being factual and most historical scholars think it a hoax. If you'll read the Wiki article, you'll see that Alamo survivors of the battle stated something altogether differently in regards to how Crockett died.

I bet you get your "facts" about climate change from An Inconvenient Truth, your "facts" about the Kennedy assassination from Oliver Stone's JFK and your "facts" about the Vietnam War from Apocalypse Now. Am I right or am I right?  Hooray for Hollywood, passing lies off as truth, glorifying the worst of our culture (and contributing to its decline), ridiculing any other opinions but their own...warping idiot's minds for a century!

Oh please, pretty please bring up Gasland and how hydraulic fracturing (fracking) is bad. I'll blow you out of the not-burning water with FACTS, Jack.   On second thought, never mind;  I'm sure you'll attempt to use "facts" that are anything but.  I've spent more than enough time on exposing you as it is. 

Anyway...you damyankees need to tend to your own history books, leave ours alone. Sure, we Texans like our historical heroic myths and sometimes our text books contain the wrong information, but sweep around your own door first.

Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans

and this one:

70% of the 47% are elderly and Republicans in the conferacy.[sic] You old Southern Reps are the laziest and most ignorant leeches in the world.

I've done a LOT of reading about the meme that "Blue states support Red states". First of all, the 90% figure needs to be flushed down the toilet, just like many other of your "facts". The "Blue vs. Red" division needs to be stabbed in the heart, because it's not only more complicated than that, it's also a lie.

If you ever take the time to look at red/blue spots by voting demographics, you'll see that the U.S. is more "purple" than simply red or blue. Makes sense if you look at how the last several presidential elections went, but then again, if you'll look closer, you'll see that many states that voted for the Democrat presidential candidate have a majority of Republicans in their state houses as well as represented in Congress and vice versa in others. Others, not all.

So, saying a state is either red or blue depends upon how they voted in the last Presidential election is a case of mislabeling. Except for blue states such as NY and Mass., several others in the northeast and on the west coast, some so-called red states like Florida have flipped back and forth.

Then too, just like any other analysis of statistics, one must "drill down" and consider other numbers and variables. For instance, Texas is a "red state", right? Well, look at some of the largest population density regions, such as the Valley and Houston, etc. They're solidly "Blue" and other large Texas cities are "light Blue". Large urban centers vote Democrat, that's a fact. Consider New Orleans in Louisiana, Atlanta in Georgia, other huge cities in red states. They vote Democrat.  Again, that's a fact, look it up. 

A Pew study and poll showed Democrats were responsible for 60+% of the benefits taken.  I've seen other articles claim the figure is closer to 80% in some categories.   Consider the huge numbers of Democrats in those urban centers, it's obvious that it's not Southern Republicans taking the welfare, it's that they are supporting the Democrat voters - the "leeches" - in their states. 

I'm sure you'll try to come back with social security figures or how much each state gets in Federal dollars vs. what they pay back, etc., but that argument is often made by misleading statistics or over-simplifying them or not accounting that - for example - that many "red" states have more military bases (pork projects from past Democratic Representatives) and that "red" states like Florida and Arizona have a larger than average elderly population using their PAID FOR benefits like SSI and Medicare.   Add in Federal land in "red" states that have a big influx of federal dollars (many Western states)  and even that equation changes which would prove you even more wrong. 

The US has no gun control laws

You mean I can go buy a machine gun? Wow, I always thought I had to have an expensive Federal license, be investigated, pay a yearly fee, be subject to visits by the ATF to make sure I still have possession of the weapon and all that!

If that's the case, I want a Thompson (Tommy gun) , you 'n me can be just like Bonny and Clyde (I'll be Clyde, of course).  No, scratch that, I want a 50-caliber to go hunting with, we got some big jackrabbits here in Texas.  No, no, I want one of those Warthog 30mm Gatling guns to mount on top of my house so I can shoot the speeders as they whiz by.

Biggest lie you've told and that's saying' sumpthin'. Of COURSE we have gun control laws. Did you type that with a straight face or was it intended to be a lie, Mr. Goebbels?

Yeah, let's ban guns, bans worked so well during Prohibition and with our current drug laws. 

I hope you're the one who comes to take my few firearms away. Just be warned that I'll give you the ammunition first, very quickly...a little faster than the speed of sound, in fact. 

If you want to take away my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, then you're a traitor and need to have your citizenship terminated...with "extreme prejudice".

Bernie is a moderate centrist who flip flops between the center-left and center-right.

No, he's not a "moderate centrist". If he were, he'd be a middle-of-the-road Republican, a RINO or at best, a conservative Democrat (a rare bird, the numbers of which would rival those of the passenger pigeon.) He says he's a Democratic Socialist, just using a word like "Democratic"  trying to disguise his true affiliation - Communist.  He ran as an Independent to further disguise his true ideology.  He aligned himself with the Democrats only for relevancy...but that the Democrats allowed him to run on their ticket speaks volumes about THEIR true ideology.

(and let's get something else straight;  while "Progressive", "Socialist", "Communist" and "Marxist" DO all have different definitions, their desired end results are all exactly the same - a totalitarian regime.)

Granted, he struck a chord with the younger generation, but his supporters were mostly a thankfully small percentage of the newest voting generation, the narcissistic, self-absorbed whiners. Like you.

Taxes are absurdly low, we need real increases

No, they're not and no we don't. We need to cut spending. Anyone who has ever budgeted for a household or business could attest to that. It's only the leeches and "gimme" crowd that think that. Like you think.

The over 35 crowd have had everything handed to them on a silver platter

Yeah, those darn Boomers! I'm a Boomer, but I never had a silver platter or anything handed to me on one.  I DO know a few folks who fit that description, but that's true of any generation.

Add "Ageist" to your growing list of bigoted beliefs.

Seriously, sounds like your generation actually believed Harry Potter and that all the problems can be solved by a simple flick of the wand. Thank goodness it's not, because you pouting pusillanimous punks would be screaming "Avada Kedavra" at everyone with white hair or wrinkles. How 'bout instead of whining on message boards, you go actually DO something to change the world? Oh, I forget, that would require work and participation and actual interaction with others on a personal and REAL level, not moaning about it online or having to look up from your cell phones. Like you do.

There's a reason no one lives in no tax places like Wyoming and South Dakota.

From Wiki: Wyoming Population: 2015 (est) 586,107  I see, a half-million+ people is "no one". You think so few people live there because of no corporate tax or personal income tax and NOT because of the cold-as-hell winters? I'd say the fact that the U.S. govt. owns nearly half of Wyoming has something to do with it as well.

From Wiki: South Dakota Population 2015 (est) 858,469 Where exactly is the cut off that defines "no one"? According to you, it's not rural flight but because they're mostly Republican voting states and not nearly Socialist enough. Have I interpreted your insinuation correctly? Of course, both of those states are largely agricultural based without a lot of heavy industry, so they're not going to have a huge GDP OR population.

California has a surplus and a stable budget as a result of raising taxes on the rich.

Sorry, but this is from Breitbart, which I know you despise as a source, but they also post links to their information cited...just like Wikipedia, which you claim to be a reputable cite. (not saying it is or isn't, just that if you want us to accept Wiki, then you need to accept Breitbart or admit that you're the hypocrite most of the rest of us already realize.)

California Budget in Deficit as Silicon Valley Falters
From the site: "The bipartisan Legislative Analysts’ Office has announced that California’s 2015-16 personal income tax collection has fallen from a huge surplus to a $147 million deficit. The cause appears to be plummeting Silicon Valley capital gains and weakening tech employment."

Also, note the date of the article - Feb. 5th of this yr. YOUR assertion of "facts" was made on July 8th. So, what's your excuse? You had your head buried in the sand for five months, or didn't want to bring it up because it wouldn't fit your narrative? Personally, I think it's because you're a habitual liar. Using your reasoning on other matters, I'd have to say ALL Socialists are liars. To top that off, you went on with this:

Meanwhile states like Kansas and Louisiana which cut taxes on the rich dramatically are economic wasteland

Kansas "The Bureau of Economic Analysis estimates that the total GDP in 2008 was $122.7 billion, making it the United States's 32nd highest state by GDP." Hmmm. While it ranks in the bottom half of states in GDP, it's also a largely agricultural state and has also suffered from rural flight. It's also 34th in population, so being 32nd in GDP isn't all that bad with that considered.

The state is ranked #8 in both oil and gas production, but prices are down and that's certainly not helping the economics of that state. My own royalties have been horrible lately. Yep, a Texan who owns (part of) several gas wells...in Oklahoma, bless that brilliantly red state, so glad it's such a great neighbor! I wish OU wouldn't kick UT's butt so often in football, but I still love the state.

Louisiana 25th in population, 24th in GDP. Smack dab in the middle of all the states isn't exactly what I'd call an "economic wasteland".

Only a stupid person responds with ad hominum [sic] attacks rather then accept facts.

This one made me laugh...well "snicker", actually. You've done a fair amount of mud-slinging, against Republicans, Conservatives (and the two aren't mutually inclusive, you should know), Christians, southern states, etc. Pot, meet kettle.  You could call it "blow back" for years of abuse of Conservatives.  We now realize insults hurt you thin-skinned progressives.  You can dish it out, but you can't take it. 

Everyone pays for a service and that service provides it free of charge to everyone.

THIS one makes me shake my head and think "Did he really just say that?" If someone has to pay for a service, then how is it free? Honestly, do you really THINK before you type this stuff out? This is what I'd expect to find on a used wad of toilet paper, not coming from the brain of an "educated" "intellectual", self-admitted Socialist. Maybe what's on that TP is what you have for brains?

The minimum wage of a server is $2.15

Another "fact" that happens to be wrong: Tipped wage in the United States "The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate. As of May 2012, the average hourly wage – including tips – for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82."

Not off by much, only a couple of pennies, but that two cents represents the value of the "facts" you claim. I noticed you didn't bring up the compensation that's mandated by law.

Besides all that, it's always someone of YOUR generation who is a server or preparer who thinks it's fine to spit in someone's food, be it a poor tipper or someone of a different race or a cop or a soldier. Yep, you guys need to be rewarded for that, for sure....with a whack of a bat across the mouth, let you spit out a few teeth instead of phlegm on someone's burger.   Too violent?  OK, then...let's go around to any pool hall and empty the spittoons around all the domino tables, fill up a five gallon bucket and shove the spitter's head in it.  Do it a few times until they got the message that when you do something nasty as spitting in someone's food, then something nasty happens to the offender.

You don't want me to get started on what I'd do to taggers and graffitti "artists".

The Christian Taliban wants only the wealthy elite to go to college

What nonsense! "Christian Taliban" is an oxymoron. It's a pseudo hate phrase created by anti-Christian bigoted leftists and so-called "tolerant liberals". It's akin to saying "a carnivorous vegetarian" and is a sophomoric insult (Ironically, "sophomore" is thought to have derived from the Greek for "wise fool", another oxymoron, although in your case it's quite apt)

To state this clearer: There's no such thing. This. Doesn't. Exist.

(Disclaimer: Those aren't my words;  I saw them when I Googled the term, but liked them so much I decided to include them)

He's not the one who believes that a bearded sky fairy controls our lives and that fatal cancer in children is a sign that this sky fairy is good and we need to worship said monster.

While I certainly wouldn't argue against that some Christians are full of hate, IMHO they're really not Christians, not by deed or definition. Lumping them all together, however, is stereotyping and that in itself is a form of bigotry. While anecdotes and personal observations can't qualify as "facts", why is it the most hateful and unhinged people that I see posting in forums and message boards are atheists?

Honestly, why does a monument with the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn send you atheists into apoplectic fits?  Like it or not, they were a basis for American law and should be taken into historical significance if for no other reason.

Me? I'm an "optimistic agnostic", so I don't really have a dog in the fight except that some of my dearest friends are Christians and I won't stand for them to be slandered. They're all flawed humans, just like the rest of us (you included...especially you), but it is their QUEST for perfection, their attempt to walk in Jesus' footsteps that makes them Christians.  None I've ever known revel in others misfortunes and if they did, they wouldn't be Christians OR my friends.

While they might turn the other cheek if you insulted them, if I was there when you said it I'd snatch you up by your hair and try my best to break your nose. (and I'm fairly certain I could do it even though I bet I have four decades on you in age.) That wouldn't be warm rain falling on your face as you lay there stunned afterwards, either. Being pretty much of a heathen, I won't have to ask forgiveness from either you OR the "bearded sky fairy". I'll just need bail money, that's all. (that is, if you press charges, pretty much what wussies do after they get their butts kicked)

82% of the 47% are either old or are poor people in the red southern states that Trump won by massive margins, facts can't be disputed

There's not even any need to attempt to rebut this because, like most of your "facts", you pulled this out of your anal orifice. I not only disputed your "facts" up above, I destroyed them.

MSNBC is for center-right moderate conservatives like Obama or Hillary.

I'm pretty sure Socialists and sane people don't use the same dictionary and I'm not sure we even live on the same planet.  Good grief. Apparently according to you anyone who is a fraction of an inch to the right of Mao is "center-right".

The Obama economy is far better than either Bush economy or the Reagan economy this time in their terms

Uh, not exactly true- the charts I saw showed "Obama's economy" to be below Reagan's and only slightly better than Bush's at the same point in time.  Other than public confidence in the Administration, the Federal Reserve has much more impact.   Some presidential policies can take years before seeing an effect and good or bad, the person in the Oval Office down the road gets credit...or the blame.

Presidents, just like football coaches, can make a blunder and lose the game, or call a great play and win. Like a coach's ball team, though, there are more players involved in the game, ditto for those in the game of politics. Just like a coach, a President often gets the blame for things out of his control and often takes the credit for things others did.

You might want to take a look at the majorities in the House of Representatives during both good and bad economic times. They are, after all, the branch with the authority to initiate tax increases or spending proposals. It might surprise you (IOW, not fit your narrative) and at the very least it would verify there's more than enough blame to go around.

The top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. If only we could have real politicians advocating reasonable rates like that

Fewer millionaires and billionaires back then, too. I hope a LOT of Democrat politicians (and a goodly number of Republicans) take up that cause. It would be lovely to watch their political careers come to a screeching halt. They'd self-term limit.

...a polygraph .... is so ineffective and prone to error that it isn't admissible in court.

Polygraph tests are admissible in certain states and in federal court at the discretion of the trial judge. States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone stipulates to their use and agrees to admit the results into evidence.

Michigan voters elected and re-elected a dictator that intentionally poisoned an entire city.

Definition of a dictator: a ruler who wields absolute authority.  If Snyder was a dictator, then why did he even need to run for office?  Another one of your totally absurd statements.

From Wiki: Flint water crisis "Governor Snyder issued an apology to citizens and promised to fix the problem, and then sent $28 million to Flint for supplies, medical care and infrastructure upgrades, and later budgeted an additional $30 million to Flint that will give water bill credits of 65% for residents and 20% for businesses. Another $165 million for lead pipe replacements and water bill reimbursements was approved by Governor Snyder on June 29, 2016."

I'd like to know how he planned to poison only those voters who voted against him and not the ones who did.  I guess if he was a dictator like your idol Stalin, killing millions in order to weed out the few who opposed him would be the thing to do.

Honestly, your hyperbole is ludicrous.  I've told you a hundred million billion times to not exaggerate!

This being the south, they will most likely only ask the welfare office about black winners while they will give white winners the money no questions asked.

"Most likely". I see what you did there, added an "out" in opinion form. There's no rebuttal to that, but neither is there any truth. It's just a hateful, bigoted thing to say...but why am I not surprised since it comes from you? All the hate you aim towards others is merely projection on your part. It's easy to see you're a self-loathing, white-guilt infested bigoted liar...and a Commie wannabe, to boot.  You think that if America is transformed into your Socialist dream world, YOU'LL be one of the privileged few, ruling the plebes and instead of having a dacha on the Black Sea like the Soviet elite, yours will be in the Catskills. 

So, I'd say "Shame on you!" for lying, but I hate that phrase, it's something the Democrats love to fling at Republicans. You really need to slink on out of here, have Todd delete your account because I HAVE just shamed you in front of God (or that "bearded sky fairy", whichever you prefer) and everyone. I've exposed you for the liar you are.  We'll see now if you apologize for your lies or continue on with them.

There's one more Progressive lie that needs to be addressed:  It's not that Conservatives dislike higher education, nothing could be farther from the truth, but rather that Progressives have disdain for blue collar workers, the ones who actually produce goods and build things by the sweat of their brows. Well, those workers who are Conservative, anyway.
I'm sorry that you have so much student loan debt, but you could have paid ME to teach you, giving me just 40 grand out of the 80 you owe and got twice the education.  Don't believe me?  Look how I schooled you with this post!

Then again, Judge Smails would have given you some FREE advice:

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https://youtu.be/c9kI_rAFuKA?t=114

Southern Republicans are the biggest leeches in the world. 

You support a Nationalist fascist (Nationalist Fascism isn't nazism, two very different things)  and you have the nerve to call left wing ideologies tolitarian?  Communism explicitly advocates for a utopic fairy land that has no government at all, and you are so ignorant that you think that's tolitarian. Marxism advocates for workers to control the factories, the little opposite of a tolitarian overload (Boss) who controls everything. You try to act like you have the slightest idea about these concepts, but you don't. Marxism and Communism are fairy tales, just like pure capitalism. Youreally should change your usernsame to Somali pirate, because that;'s what you want America to look like.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 7, 2016

I laugh because the notion that Sanders is anything but a Communist is laughable.

"Sensible regulations like Australia"?  You can't compare our Constitutional right to bear arms with Australia because they never had the same right.

"Grown up countries"? Get back to me on that when YOU grow up.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11

Even the Bible has hope for the likes of you, Derp.

Go over to Scandinavia or Britain or even Canada and Bernie would be a leading member of the right wing opposition. To call him anything but a centrist is an insult to those of us who are actually on the left side of the spectrum.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 7, 2016

Hey Artist...I read your recent posts and read you're going to vote for Jill Stein.  Did you know her stance on the military?  She wants to cut the military budget by 30%.  If that were to happen, its almost a guarantee, we'll be involved in a major war, maybe nuclear, in the very near future.  There's only one reason we weren't attacked by now, its because we were strong.  So what's more important?  Being green or being dead?

The US spends more on the military than the next 23 countries COMBINED. 30% cut sounds very good. US Defense spending was pretty high on 9/11, didn't really help with preventing an attack. After Sandy and the full on mental illness shown by the Republicans on the Sandy bill and the UN treaty  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/us/despite-doles-wish-gop-rejects-disabilities-treaty.html?_r=0 

I will NEVER vote for a conservative irregardless of which color and letter is next to their name.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 7, 2016

https://youtu.be/c9kI_rAFuKA?t=114

Southern Republicans are the biggest leeches in the world. 

You support a Nationalist fascist (Nationalist Fascism isn't nazism, two very different things)  and you have the nerve to call left wing ideologies tolitarian?  Communism explicitly advocates for a utopic fairy land that has no government at all, and you are so ignorant that you think that's tolitarian. Marxism advocates for workers to control the factories, the little opposite of a tolitarian overload (Boss) who controls everything. You try to act like you have the slightest idea about these concepts, but you don't. Marxism and Communism are fairy tales, just like pure capitalism. Youreally should change your usernsame to Somali pirate, because that;'s what you want America to look like.

Someone has his panties in a bunch, yank them out of your A$$ and shut up!

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 7, 2016

The US spends more on the military than the next 23 countries COMBINED. 30% cut sounds very good. US Defense spending was pretty high on 9/11, didn't really help with preventing an attack. After Sandy and the full on mental illness shown by the Republicans on the Sandy bill and the UN treaty  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/us/despite-doles-wish-gop-rejects-disabilities-treaty.html?_r=0 

I will NEVER vote for a conservative irregardless of which color and letter is next to their name.

"The US spends more on military than the next 23 countries COMBINED."

I have read some outlandish statements from you but this takes the cake. I am sorry to tell you this but you are beyond help.

MaximumMillions

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending

Not quite 23 though.

Well, they have bigger ground to cover.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 7, 2016

"The US spends more on military than the next 23 countries COMBINED."

I have read some outlandish statements from you but this takes the cake. I am sorry to tell you this but you are beyond help.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/u-s-military-spending-dwarfs-rest-world-n37461

I was basing the 23 nations numbers off early 2000's data when the US did the 2 wars so my mistake on that. It's still absurdly gigantic though.

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

So you folks have beat the snot outta King... Congrats.

BUT... Why Trump? 

Facts please...

What's his plan  other than hiring lots of smart "billionaires" to run our country?

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by Romancandle on Aug 7, 2016

So you folks have beat the snot outta King... Congrats.

BUT... Why Trump? 

Facts please...

What's his plan  other than hiring lots of smart "billionaires" to run our country?

Because Hillary is a lying deceitful person.

Hillary is just more of the same old, same old, politician.

It's time for real change. Not another politician, but someone who knows how to get things done, who can not be bought or controlled by anyone or "a party".

Electing Hillary is electing the same kind of politician, and expecting different results.

Insanity.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 7, 2016

https://youtu.be/c9kI_rAFuKA?t=114

Southern Republicans are the biggest leeches in the world. 

You support a Nationalist fascist (Nationalist Fascism isn't nazism, two very different things)  and you have the nerve to call left wing ideologies tolitarian?  Communism explicitly advocates for a utopic fairy land that has no government at all, and you are so ignorant that you think that's tolitarian. Marxism advocates for workers to control the factories, the little opposite of a tolitarian overload (Boss) who controls everything. You try to act like you have the slightest idea about these concepts, but you don't. Marxism and Communism are fairy tales, just like pure capitalism. Youreally should change your usernsame to Somali pirate, because that;'s what you want America to look like.

Bwwaaaaaa!  YouTube video, really? A few people in one state and AGAIN you're tarring all the rest of the south with the same brush and AGAIN you're showing your bigotry.

You should change YOUR name to Derp the Twerp.

Just WHO do I support, Derp?  I'm pretty sure I have never said, at least not in here.   Maybe YOU should run for President;  you'd fit right in.

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LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Romancandle on Aug 7, 2016

So you folks have beat the snot outta King... Congrats.

BUT... Why Trump? 

Facts please...

What's his plan  other than hiring lots of smart "billionaires" to run our country?

Trump already gave a speech on national defense, I saw it and he made a lot of sense.  Today he's giving a speech on the economy (I believe in Detroit).  It will be broadcast live on rightside broadcasting.  Go to youtube and type "rightside broadcasting", hit the link.  They also have many of his past speeches. 

Many people who are against Trump get all their news from the pro-democrat mainstream media.  Listen to what he has to say.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by MaximumMillions on Aug 7, 2016

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending

Not quite 23 though.

Well, they have bigger ground to cover.

Those numbers are from 2010. Obama for the last several years has been on a mission to decimate the US military while China and Russia have elevated their defense budget to record levels. The 2016 budget for our entire military is now just north of $500 billion (it was over $700 Billion before Obama).

Russia and China on the other hand have gone full steam ahead in their defense spending and are close to doubling what their budget was before Obama took office. A large amount of our defense funds goes toward NATO.

The United States still outspends every other nation but it may be closer to 5 or 6 combined nations and not 23.

bigbear29

Why do we need to spend more on the military?  Because others are spending more on their military?  I'm no expert on the military but there is only one from that list that could put up a fight with the United States.  Russia

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 8, 2016

Why do we need to spend more on the military?  Because others are spending more on their military?  I'm no expert on the military but there is only one from that list that could put up a fight with the United States.  Russia

Wow, you just have no clue, Did you know Pakistan and India hate each other?

Did you know that both those countries together have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire Earth with Nuclear Winter?

Do you know North Korea is at this very moment trying to create a missile that can reach the US ?, the same with Iran?

Both those countries have real nut jobs in charge. We need our Military and we need people in this country to pay more attention to global affairs.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Right sully...And don't forget about an EMP blast over the US.  That would totally devastate the US power grid for years and probably fry every electronic device in the US.  That poster bigboar has no clue.

bigbear29

So we need to spend more on military because Pakistan and India hate each other?  As far as North Korea, they have no missiles that can reach the USA, and they will not for a long time.

 

And if I'm not in error, North Korea is still trying to catch up with USA missile power.

bigbear29

The USA is already making EMP weapons, so why do we need to spend more on the military?

MaximumMillions

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 8, 2016

Those numbers are from 2010. Obama for the last several years has been on a mission to decimate the US military while China and Russia have elevated their defense budget to record levels. The 2016 budget for our entire military is now just north of $500 billion (it was over $700 Billion before Obama).

Russia and China on the other hand have gone full steam ahead in their defense spending and are close to doubling what their budget was before Obama took office. A large amount of our defense funds goes toward NATO.

The United States still outspends every other nation but it may be closer to 5 or 6 combined nations and not 23.

All true, but the way wars are fought has changed.

With drones and cyber offenses such as Stuxnet the military is going to reorganize its' expenses without necessarily being weaker.

bigbear29

Like I said, I'm no expert on military power, but I think the US will not let North Korea get close to their achievement.  They will wake up one morning and their stuff will not be working, like IRAN.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 8, 2016

Like I said, I'm no expert on military power, but I think the US will not let North Korea get close to their achievement.  They will wake up one morning and their stuff will not be working, like IRAN.

You kidding?  Bill Clinton already let North Korea develop nuclear weapons, just like obama gave Iran the ability to develop their nukes.  Had enough of democrat Presidents yet?  Dem's only care about one thing...Show me the money!

bigbear29

achievement = launch on the United States

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Romancandle on Aug 7, 2016

So you folks have beat the snot outta King... Congrats.

BUT... Why Trump? 

Facts please...

What's his plan  other than hiring lots of smart "billionaires" to run our country?

When Trump's plan called for a  "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Jeb Bush tweeted, "Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious."

And Lindsey Graham added Trump "has gone from making absurd comments to being downright dangerous with his bombastic rhetoric." and "He’s putting at risk the lives of interpreters, American supporters, diplomats, & the troops in the region by making these bigoted comments"

I've heard that Trump has a plan to find and deport 11 million illegals, build a very high wall on the Mexico/US border, and make Mexico pay for it, but never saw the exact details of how it could be done. Trump want to lower our tax burden while increasing the size of our military so he can "take out" ISIS, ISIL, and maybe North Korea and Iran.

I'm sure he has excellent plans on how to do his magic act and his LP supporters probably have all the real details and will share them with you.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 8, 2016

When Trump's plan called for a  "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Jeb Bush tweeted, "Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious."

And Lindsey Graham added Trump "has gone from making absurd comments to being downright dangerous with his bombastic rhetoric." and "He’s putting at risk the lives of interpreters, American supporters, diplomats, & the troops in the region by making these bigoted comments"

I've heard that Trump has a plan to find and deport 11 million illegals, build a very high wall on the Mexico/US border, and make Mexico pay for it, but never saw the exact details of how it could be done. Trump want to lower our tax burden while increasing the size of our military so he can "take out" ISIS, ISIL, and maybe North Korea and Iran.

I'm sure he has excellent plans on how to do his magic act and his LP supporters probably have all the real details and will share them with you.

Where do you get a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US?  Are you nuts or just a liar?  BTW, under Reagan, lowering taxes did boost the economy.  Or is American history not your strong point?

bigbear29

Stack47, trump stated, "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "

but he has pulled back on that recently,  because he knows that he can't do that, plus he also knows that he needs the US muslim votes also.

The republicans are really worried about trump, they are still pulling away from him.  Also, big donors are pulling away from him also, he does not have the money for attack ads for Hillary.

Trump is not going to deport 11 million illegals, or build a wall that Mexico will pay for, not going to happen.  Lowering taxes for everyone is not realistic, how is he going to pay for that.

The trade stuff that trump talked about is a waste of time.

The only good thing that trump talked about was regulatory rules.

As far as taking out Isis, that is still going to be long term,  they are not wearing isis uniforms with the words isis on it.  This is why it is so difficult to kill isis.

But it was mostly all talk!

bigbear29

50 G.O.P. Officials Warn Donald Trump Would Put Nation’s Security ‘at Risk’

 

Fifty of the nation’s most senior Republican national security officials, many of them former top aides or cabinet members for President George W. Bush, have signed a letter declaring that Donald J. Trump “lacks the character, values and experience” to be president and “would put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.”

Mr. Trump, the officials warn, “would be the most reckless president in American history.”

The letter says Mr. Trump would weaken the United States’ moral authority and questions his knowledge of and belief in the Constitution. It says he has “demonstrated repeatedly that he has little understanding” of the nation’s “vital national interests, its complex diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances and the democratic values” on which American policy should be based. And it laments that “Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating himself.”

“None of us will vote for Donald Trump,” the letter states, though it notes later that many Americans “have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of us.”

destinycreation

"Former CIA Officer Evan McMullin Launches Independent Presidential Bid as an Alternative Candidate to Donald Trump"

"Evan McMullin, a former CIA counter-terrorism officer, will run for president  as a third-party conservative alternative to Donald Trump. He is a former CIA agent and currently the Chief Policy Director for the House Republican Conference. McMullin has never held elective office, even though he has been working in the government since 1999. According to his LinkedIn page, McMullin joined the CIA as an operations officer in 1999 and stayed at the agency until 2010. He “managed clandestine operations related to counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, energy, political stability, and counterintelligence, while serving mostly in hostile environments.  Aside from a three-year stint as an investment banking associate at Goldman Sachs, McMullin has been in government since joining the CIA.   In 2013, he became a senior adviser to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. In 2015, he joined the Republican Conference as its Chief Policy Director. His job includes managing their domestic and foreign policy initiatives, focusing on foreign affairs, national security, technology, health care and other issues. "

"Evan McMullin is  a Morman.  He earned a Bachelor’s degree in International Law and Diplomacy from Brigham Young University and, later in his life, a Master's of Business Administration from The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania."

"He also served as a Mormon missionary in Brazil and a Volunteer Refugee Resettlement Officer for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees in Jordan."

 

Information taken from several different News Sites on the Internet.

destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 8, 2016

You kidding?  Bill Clinton already let North Korea develop nuclear weapons, just like obama gave Iran the ability to develop their nukes.  Had enough of democrat Presidents yet?  Dem's only care about one thing...Show me the money!

I think North Korea and Iran intended to develop Nuclear Weapons regardless of American Policy or position on the matter. These countries don't take their lead about what to do from the United States, which is why it is pointless to blame sitting US Presidents for the actions of other countries.

The U.S. has Nuclear Weapons as well, and will continue to develop Nuclear Weapons in secrecy, regardless of whatever "Front Face Charade" this country puts forward for the rest of the world to believe.

All Nations have the right to be reasonably armed to Defend their Country.  This is just Common Sense.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 8, 2016

50 G.O.P. Officials Warn Donald Trump Would Put Nation’s Security ‘at Risk’

 

Fifty of the nation’s most senior Republican national security officials, many of them former top aides or cabinet members for President George W. Bush, have signed a letter declaring that Donald J. Trump “lacks the character, values and experience” to be president and “would put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.”

Mr. Trump, the officials warn, “would be the most reckless president in American history.”

The letter says Mr. Trump would weaken the United States’ moral authority and questions his knowledge of and belief in the Constitution. It says he has “demonstrated repeatedly that he has little understanding” of the nation’s “vital national interests, its complex diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances and the democratic values” on which American policy should be based. And it laments that “Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating himself.”

“None of us will vote for Donald Trump,” the letter states, though it notes later that many Americans “have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of us.”

LOL!  50 GOP Bush insiders?  Those are the lifer establishment we're trying to get rid of.  That's a good thing.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 8, 2016

I think North Korea and Iran intended to develop Nuclear Weapons regardless of American Policy or position on the matter. These countries don't take their lead about what to do from the United States, which is why it is pointless to blame sitting US Presidents for the actions of other countries.

The U.S. has Nuclear Weapons as well, and will continue to develop Nuclear Weapons in secrecy, regardless of whatever "Front Face Charade" this country puts forward for the rest of the world to believe.

All Nations have the right to be reasonably armed to Defend their Country.  This is just Common Sense.

Actually you're wrong.  As memory serves me correctly, the Clinton administration gave NK billions and cut sanctions against that country in return for a promise not to pursue nukes.  Sanctions were working, just like they were working against Iran.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 8, 2016

"Former CIA Officer Evan McMullin Launches Independent Presidential Bid as an Alternative Candidate to Donald Trump"

"Evan McMullin, a former CIA counter-terrorism officer, will run for president  as a third-party conservative alternative to Donald Trump. He is a former CIA agent and currently the Chief Policy Director for the House Republican Conference. McMullin has never held elective office, even though he has been working in the government since 1999. According to his LinkedIn page, McMullin joined the CIA as an operations officer in 1999 and stayed at the agency until 2010. He “managed clandestine operations related to counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, energy, political stability, and counterintelligence, while serving mostly in hostile environments.  Aside from a three-year stint as an investment banking associate at Goldman Sachs, McMullin has been in government since joining the CIA.   In 2013, he became a senior adviser to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. In 2015, he joined the Republican Conference as its Chief Policy Director. His job includes managing their domestic and foreign policy initiatives, focusing on foreign affairs, national security, technology, health care and other issues. "

"Evan McMullin is  a Morman.  He earned a Bachelor’s degree in International Law and Diplomacy from Brigham Young University and, later in his life, a Master's of Business Administration from The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania."

"He also served as a Mormon missionary in Brazil and a Volunteer Refugee Resettlement Officer for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees in Jordan."

 

Information taken from several different News Sites on the Internet.

Another establishment GOP insider trying to gum up the works.  Too little, too late.  Anyone wonder why the establishment is so against Trump?  Think about it.

destinycreation

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 8, 2016

Actually you're wrong.  As memory serves me correctly, the Clinton administration gave NK billions and cut sanctions against that country in return for a promise not to pursue nukes.  Sanctions were working, just like they were working against Iran.

Sanctions may have been working, but is it not reasonable to assume [given the type of Countries we're dealing with here], that both North Korea and Iran are still developing Nuclear Weapons in secrecy, regardless of sanctions.

North Korea and Iran CANNOT be TRUSTED !!!

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Aug 8, 2016

Sanctions may have been working, but is it not reasonable to assume [given the type of Countries we're dealing with here], that both North Korea and Iran are still developing Nuclear Weapons in secrecy, regardless of sanctions.

North Korea and Iran CANNOT be TRUSTED !!!

The purpose of sanctions is for regime change.  Almost worked in 2009 Iran when the people took to the streets.  Unfortunately obama didn't support them.  Surprise surprise.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 8, 2016

When Trump's plan called for a  "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Jeb Bush tweeted, "Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious."

And Lindsey Graham added Trump "has gone from making absurd comments to being downright dangerous with his bombastic rhetoric." and "He’s putting at risk the lives of interpreters, American supporters, diplomats, & the troops in the region by making these bigoted comments"

I've heard that Trump has a plan to find and deport 11 million illegals, build a very high wall on the Mexico/US border, and make Mexico pay for it, but never saw the exact details of how it could be done. Trump want to lower our tax burden while increasing the size of our military so he can "take out" ISIS, ISIL, and maybe North Korea and Iran.

I'm sure he has excellent plans on how to do his magic act and his LP supporters probably have all the real details and will share them with you.

Their lives are ALREADY in danger. Being a bigot is meaningless to our enemies. Bigotry, defined and used by

Lindsey Graham, is in a politically correct fashion without regard to real issues. Who is the fool? One who wants

to keep borders opened for anyone who wants to flood in? One who wants to allow foreigners in so their governments

remain friendly to our faces while stabbing us in the back? When we are so stuffed to the gills and overrun with outsiders

that our own people suffer and DIE something needs to give.

The situation has gone too far under current leadership. How many more bombings on foreign and home soil are

we supposed to endure due to shortcomings in a policy set in place that protects, encourages and gives rights to

outsiders? And how many more of our own citizens are supposed to suffer while we accommodate immigrants?

Either show terrorists we mean business by aggressive search and destroy and stop looking like cowards and puppets..

or pull out and leave them to themselves. They'll always have someone to direct their anger towards, let them kill

each other. US is spread too thin, busy trying to be a mighty power worldwide. We should be the mightiest power

right here on our own ground. And if that means keeping terrorists or foreigners meant to spread terror out, so be it.

I wouldn't mind being called prejudiced at all in the name of self preservation. The great melting pot needed to be

overturned a long, long time ago. Our seemingly softhearted, underhanded government makes it easy for us to

be targeted.

What would any of you do or think if one of your family members were killed by terrorists? I'd want them hunted

down and annihilated. Not just the leader but as many mindless followers along with him as possible. They are over

at US bases hiding in caves like the monsters they are shooting at service members everyday. Driving bombs to

checkpoints and base entrances...you don't hear about that much today, but it's happening. People are dying over

there and for what? Service to a government that doesn't care about them? VA benefits and facilities are a joke and

our Commander in Chief has the gall to display heartfelt thankfulness faked in a speech he didn't even write. Just

keep manning those bases and die trying.

Keep the terrorists out, keep the illegal immigrants out, if that preserves our country, I'm for it. If allowed in and it

means scrutinizing Middle Eastern immigrants, they shouldn't be offended, they should be honored to enter a country

(when they clear) that holds the safety and future of its citizens dear to its heart and fights for their own protection

with all its might. We need 'Proud to be an American' to mean something again.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 8, 2016

Their lives are ALREADY in danger. Being a bigot is meaningless to our enemies. Bigotry, defined and used by

Lindsey Graham, is in a politically correct fashion without regard to real issues. Who is the fool? One who wants

to keep borders opened for anyone who wants to flood in? One who wants to allow foreigners in so their governments

remain friendly to our faces while stabbing us in the back? When we are so stuffed to the gills and overrun with outsiders

that our own people suffer and DIE something needs to give.

The situation has gone too far under current leadership. How many more bombings on foreign and home soil are

we supposed to endure due to shortcomings in a policy set in place that protects, encourages and gives rights to

outsiders? And how many more of our own citizens are supposed to suffer while we accommodate immigrants?

Either show terrorists we mean business by aggressive search and destroy and stop looking like cowards and puppets..

or pull out and leave them to themselves. They'll always have someone to direct their anger towards, let them kill

each other. US is spread too thin, busy trying to be a mighty power worldwide. We should be the mightiest power

right here on our own ground. And if that means keeping terrorists or foreigners meant to spread terror out, so be it.

I wouldn't mind being called prejudiced at all in the name of self preservation. The great melting pot needed to be

overturned a long, long time ago. Our seemingly softhearted, underhanded government makes it easy for us to

be targeted.

What would any of you do or think if one of your family members were killed by terrorists? I'd want them hunted

down and annihilated. Not just the leader but as many mindless followers along with him as possible. They are over

at US bases hiding in caves like the monsters they are shooting at service members everyday. Driving bombs to

checkpoints and base entrances...you don't hear about that much today, but it's happening. People are dying over

there and for what? Service to a government that doesn't care about them? VA benefits and facilities are a joke and

our Commander in Chief has the gall to display heartfelt thankfulness faked in a speech he didn't even write. Just

keep manning those bases and die trying.

Keep the terrorists out, keep the illegal immigrants out, if that preserves our country, I'm for it. If allowed in and it

means scrutinizing Middle Eastern immigrants, they shouldn't be offended, they should be honored to enter a country

(when they clear) that holds the safety and future of its citizens dear to its heart and fights for their own protection

with all its might. We need 'Proud to be an American' to mean something again.

Amen

I am with you all the way  US Flag

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 8, 2016

Where do you get a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US?  Are you nuts or just a liar?  BTW, under Reagan, lowering taxes did boost the economy.  Or is American history not your strong point?

I was quoting Trump and what Bush and Graham remarked about it, Cheesehead.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population ."

"Where do you get a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US?"

If you don't believe quotes, here is the actual video. Bet you'll still pretend he never said it.

"BTW, under Reagan, lowering taxes did boost the economy. Or is American history not your strong point? "

I know enough history to know George H.W. (read my lips) Bush had to raise taxes right after Reagan left office. You're 0 for 2; have anything intelligent to say?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 8, 2016

Stack47, trump stated, "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. "

but he has pulled back on that recently,  because he knows that he can't do that, plus he also knows that he needs the US muslim votes also.

The republicans are really worried about trump, they are still pulling away from him.  Also, big donors are pulling away from him also, he does not have the money for attack ads for Hillary.

Trump is not going to deport 11 million illegals, or build a wall that Mexico will pay for, not going to happen.  Lowering taxes for everyone is not realistic, how is he going to pay for that.

The trade stuff that trump talked about is a waste of time.

The only good thing that trump talked about was regulatory rules.

As far as taking out Isis, that is still going to be long term,  they are not wearing isis uniforms with the words isis on it.  This is why it is so difficult to kill isis.

But it was mostly all talk!

"but he has pulled back on that recently "

That's a must because he makes promises that are impossible to do. I saw a poll today where 14% of Utah voters will write in Romney's name and that was before Evan McMullin announced his candidacy.

"As far as taking out Isis, that is still going to be long term,  they are not wearing isis uniforms with the words isis on it."

It would be like taking on the Viet Cong and everybody but apparently Trump and knows how that turned out.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 8, 2016

Their lives are ALREADY in danger. Being a bigot is meaningless to our enemies. Bigotry, defined and used by

Lindsey Graham, is in a politically correct fashion without regard to real issues. Who is the fool? One who wants

to keep borders opened for anyone who wants to flood in? One who wants to allow foreigners in so their governments

remain friendly to our faces while stabbing us in the back? When we are so stuffed to the gills and overrun with outsiders

that our own people suffer and DIE something needs to give.

The situation has gone too far under current leadership. How many more bombings on foreign and home soil are

we supposed to endure due to shortcomings in a policy set in place that protects, encourages and gives rights to

outsiders? And how many more of our own citizens are supposed to suffer while we accommodate immigrants?

Either show terrorists we mean business by aggressive search and destroy and stop looking like cowards and puppets..

or pull out and leave them to themselves. They'll always have someone to direct their anger towards, let them kill

each other. US is spread too thin, busy trying to be a mighty power worldwide. We should be the mightiest power

right here on our own ground. And if that means keeping terrorists or foreigners meant to spread terror out, so be it.

I wouldn't mind being called prejudiced at all in the name of self preservation. The great melting pot needed to be

overturned a long, long time ago. Our seemingly softhearted, underhanded government makes it easy for us to

be targeted.

What would any of you do or think if one of your family members were killed by terrorists? I'd want them hunted

down and annihilated. Not just the leader but as many mindless followers along with him as possible. They are over

at US bases hiding in caves like the monsters they are shooting at service members everyday. Driving bombs to

checkpoints and base entrances...you don't hear about that much today, but it's happening. People are dying over

there and for what? Service to a government that doesn't care about them? VA benefits and facilities are a joke and

our Commander in Chief has the gall to display heartfelt thankfulness faked in a speech he didn't even write. Just

keep manning those bases and die trying.

Keep the terrorists out, keep the illegal immigrants out, if that preserves our country, I'm for it. If allowed in and it

means scrutinizing Middle Eastern immigrants, they shouldn't be offended, they should be honored to enter a country

(when they clear) that holds the safety and future of its citizens dear to its heart and fights for their own protection

with all its might. We need 'Proud to be an American' to mean something again.

"What would any of you do or think if one of your family members were killed by terrorists? I'd want them hunted  down and annihilated."

Do you understand what "suicide bomber" means?

And because of that, it's almost impossible to find accomplices. That being said, I agree something has to be done and if Trump, Bush, or Graham has the answer, why are they waiting to tell us?

"We need 'Proud to be an American' to mean something again."

The last time I looked most Americans are proud; weren't you proud when they played our National Anthem 5 times during the Olympics?

Seriously with all the high ranking Republican defections, do you really believe Trump has a chance?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 9, 2016

I was quoting Trump and what Bush and Graham remarked about it, Cheesehead.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population ."

"Where do you get a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US?"

If you don't believe quotes, here is the actual video. Bet you'll still pretend he never said it.

"BTW, under Reagan, lowering taxes did boost the economy. Or is American history not your strong point? "

I know enough history to know George H.W. (read my lips) Bush had to raise taxes right after Reagan left office. You're 0 for 2; have anything intelligent to say?

Yes I do have something intelligent to say hillbilly.   Other than small minded people like you, who gives a rip what Trump said?  Hillary is a corrupt liar.  I guess, in your world, what people say off the cuff is worse than what people do huh?   Cut and paste all the BS you want.  The choice is clear.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 9, 2016

"What would any of you do or think if one of your family members were killed by terrorists? I'd want them hunted  down and annihilated."

Do you understand what "suicide bomber" means?

And because of that, it's almost impossible to find accomplices. That being said, I agree something has to be done and if Trump, Bush, or Graham has the answer, why are they waiting to tell us?

"We need 'Proud to be an American' to mean something again."

The last time I looked most Americans are proud; weren't you proud when they played our National Anthem 5 times during the Olympics?

Seriously with all the high ranking Republican defections, do you really believe Trump has a chance?

Hey genius...Trump already said he's not going to give ISIS any information.  What do you expect him to say that he hasn't already said?  You want him to tell the enemy everything we're going to do before we do it like obama does?  BTW, the father of the Orlando terrorist, Seddique Mateen, was spotted at a Hillary rally in Kissimmee, Florida.  You know, the guy who supports the taliban (a terrorist organization).  When asked why he was there, he stated his support for Hillary.  LOL!  Guess we know who's going to be tougher on the terrorists huh?

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 9, 2016

"What would any of you do or think if one of your family members were killed by terrorists? I'd want them hunted  down and annihilated."

Do you understand what "suicide bomber" means?

And because of that, it's almost impossible to find accomplices. That being said, I agree something has to be done and if Trump, Bush, or Graham has the answer, why are they waiting to tell us?

"We need 'Proud to be an American' to mean something again."

The last time I looked most Americans are proud; weren't you proud when they played our National Anthem 5 times during the Olympics?

Seriously with all the high ranking Republican defections, do you really believe Trump has a chance?

I understand what suicide bomber means - An individual in most cases. I see where you're going with this.
One suicide bomber, how do you find the affiliation when one acts alone? It's there.
They were his/her support system for years.

S/he was filled with hatred for Americans from an early age and brainwashed against the 'infidels'. Brain-
washing is too strong word for some of them because what a lot of them believe is they have to take
out as many of us as they can and it's a great honor to do so. They believe they're rewarded for what the
religious among us believe: thou shalt not kill.

The US knows far more than what they lead us to believe. They are capable of putting a real hurt on the
groups that prime individuals and groups to do their dirty work. Various political reasons prevent them from
acting on what they know. I'd like an answer to why things aren't being done too but suspect it's primarily
due to weighing one bad outcome against the other and deciding which gives us the best footing.

Pride in the idea of being an American is there but our country's leaders shame us on a lot of levels. I think
the overall feeling Americans hold is that this country is great but the way its run is laughable. I don't feel
the USA is what it once was or what it can be. I'm not happy about what goes on in America..its homeless,
out of work, poor and disadvantaged. I'm comfortable on an individual level but want to be that and proud
on a national one. Until we take care of our own first I can't agree with being proud of the National Anthem
being played at an event, the New Colossus or anything at all that was once viewed as part of the definition
of being a great country. Pride for me will be restored when our own citizens are placed first above other
nations tired, poor and huddled masses. We have enough of our own and if anyone rejects the idea of
replacing outsiders with 'insiders', they need to be deported.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 9, 2016

Yes I do have something intelligent to say hillbilly.   Other than small minded people like you, who gives a rip what Trump said?  Hillary is a corrupt liar.  I guess, in your world, what people say off the cuff is worse than what people do huh?   Cut and paste all the BS you want.  The choice is clear.

Childish name calling won't change what Trump said, regardless of whatever methods you use to pretend he never said it.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 9, 2016

Hey genius...Trump already said he's not going to give ISIS any information.  What do you expect him to say that he hasn't already said?  You want him to tell the enemy everything we're going to do before we do it like obama does?  BTW, the father of the Orlando terrorist, Seddique Mateen, was spotted at a Hillary rally in Kissimmee, Florida.  You know, the guy who supports the taliban (a terrorist organization).  When asked why he was there, he stated his support for Hillary.  LOL!  Guess we know who's going to be tougher on the terrorists huh?

"Trump already said he's not going to give ISIS any information. "

Trump has no valid information to give to ISIS, ISIL, or Trump U. students. Similar to the nothing you added to playing lottery games.

"BTW, the father of the Orlando terrorist, Seddique Mateen, was spotted at a Hillary rally in Kissimmee, Florida."

Besides the fact you gave no proof it actually happened, it's no different than somebody spotting him or John Hinckley's grandma at McDonalds.

"Guess we know who's going to be tougher on the terrorists huh? "

Looks like you missed where Mateen was killed by police. What exactly is Trump's plan on being tough on dead terrorist?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 9, 2016

"Trump already said he's not going to give ISIS any information. "

Trump has no valid information to give to ISIS, ISIL, or Trump U. students. Similar to the nothing you added to playing lottery games.

"BTW, the father of the Orlando terrorist, Seddique Mateen, was spotted at a Hillary rally in Kissimmee, Florida."

Besides the fact you gave no proof it actually happened, it's no different than somebody spotting him or John Hinckley's grandma at McDonalds.

"Guess we know who's going to be tougher on the terrorists huh? "

Looks like you missed where Mateen was killed by police. What exactly is Trump's plan on being tough on dead terrorist?

You really aren't making any sense.  BTW, the photo of Seddique is all over the internet.  He was seated right behind that fraud Hillary.  LOL

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 9, 2016

Childish name calling won't change what Trump said, regardless of whatever methods you use to pretend he never said it.

Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

emilyg's avataremilyg

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 8, 2016

LOL!  50 GOP Bush insiders?  Those are the lifer establishment we're trying to get rid of.  That's a good thing.

Yes we are trying to get rid of them.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by emilyg on Aug 9, 2016

Yes we are trying to get rid of them.

The establishment on both sides of the isle need to go away for good.  That's why they hate Trump and why they hated Sanders.  Both these men threaten their corrupt livelihood.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 9, 2016

I understand what suicide bomber means - An individual in most cases. I see where you're going with this.
One suicide bomber, how do you find the affiliation when one acts alone? It's there.
They were his/her support system for years.

S/he was filled with hatred for Americans from an early age and brainwashed against the 'infidels'. Brain-
washing is too strong word for some of them because what a lot of them believe is they have to take
out as many of us as they can and it's a great honor to do so. They believe they're rewarded for what the
religious among us believe: thou shalt not kill.

The US knows far more than what they lead us to believe. They are capable of putting a real hurt on the
groups that prime individuals and groups to do their dirty work. Various political reasons prevent them from
acting on what they know. I'd like an answer to why things aren't being done too but suspect it's primarily
due to weighing one bad outcome against the other and deciding which gives us the best footing.

Pride in the idea of being an American is there but our country's leaders shame us on a lot of levels. I think
the overall feeling Americans hold is that this country is great but the way its run is laughable. I don't feel
the USA is what it once was or what it can be. I'm not happy about what goes on in America..its homeless,
out of work, poor and disadvantaged. I'm comfortable on an individual level but want to be that and proud
on a national one. Until we take care of our own first I can't agree with being proud of the National Anthem
being played at an event, the New Colossus or anything at all that was once viewed as part of the definition
of being a great country. Pride for me will be restored when our own citizens are placed first above other
nations tired, poor and huddled masses. We have enough of our own and if anyone rejects the idea of
replacing outsiders with 'insiders', they need to be deported.

"One suicide bomber, how do you find the affiliation when one acts alone? It's there.
They were his/her support system for years."

We'll probably never know for sure the money and support behind the 911 attacks, but Hussein, bin Laden, and Gaddafi won't be supporting any future attacks. The problem then was nobody in the U.S. thought terrorists could take over planes and then fly them into buildings. Six years earlier nobody thought someone would park a truck full of explosives near a federal building either. And who would have thought two brothers would place an explosives near the Boston Marathon finish line?

You obviously see a different American than I do and I believe the big difference is I"m willing to let future generations decide their America and not suggest they return to what we believe might be a better America.

"Pride for me will be restored when our own citizens are placed first above other
nations tired, poor and huddled masses. "

Watching a bunch of state legislators (mine included) wasting time on creating bathroom laws isn't exactly ground breaking legislation either. The problems you described existed for 40 years. If you can't find any reasons now to be proud of America, you'll probably never find any.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 9, 2016

Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

You called me a liar when I quoted Trump and obviously ignored the video link where Trump said it.

You don't even know what "the pot calling the kettle black" means and probably your reason for arguing facts and the juvenile name calling.

Sunglasses

For fun I have bet a euro on Donald Trump. The payout was better.

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 8, 2016

When Trump's plan called for a  "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Jeb Bush tweeted, "Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious."

And Lindsey Graham added Trump "has gone from making absurd comments to being downright dangerous with his bombastic rhetoric." and "He’s putting at risk the lives of interpreters, American supporters, diplomats, & the troops in the region by making these bigoted comments"

I've heard that Trump has a plan to find and deport 11 million illegals, build a very high wall on the Mexico/US border, and make Mexico pay for it, but never saw the exact details of how it could be done. Trump want to lower our tax burden while increasing the size of our military so he can "take out" ISIS, ISIL, and maybe North Korea and Iran.

I'm sure he has excellent plans on how to do his magic act and his LP supporters probably have all the real details and will share them with you.

I guess facts are hard to find...

liveingreenbay... I have listened.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Sunglasses on Aug 9, 2016

For fun I have bet a euro on Donald Trump. The payout was better.

I don't blame ya, esp. if the odds were good.

One word of advice:  don't ever bet on the Cowboys, even if you're getting points.  I lost a whole pay check on Super Bowl XIII, taking Dallas + 3.  I'm glad I had a charge acct. at both the grocery store and gas station.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 9, 2016

You called me a liar when I quoted Trump and obviously ignored the video link where Trump said it.

You don't even know what "the pot calling the kettle black" means and probably your reason for arguing facts and the juvenile name calling.

Hey Stack...What do you think it means?  I make perfect sense, you don't.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Jethro where are you?  Waiting for a reply.  Newsflash... Newly released emails though FOIA requests prove Hillary is guilty of pay-for-play.  Hillary Clinton via Clinton Foundation accepted money for political favors.  How do you feel about Russia getting 20% of United States uranium reserves so Bill Clinton can make half a million dollars a speech for several speeches?

Unluckyone's avatarUnluckyone

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 10, 2016

Jethro where are you?  Waiting for a reply.  Newsflash... Newly released emails though FOIA requests prove Hillary is guilty of pay-for-play.  Hillary Clinton via Clinton Foundation accepted money for political favors.  How do you feel about Russia getting 20% of United States uranium reserves so Bill Clinton can make half a million dollars a speech for several speeches?

The media isn't reporting it. Their only agenda is to keep bashing Trump.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by Unluckyone on Aug 10, 2016

The media isn't reporting it. Their only agenda is to keep bashing Trump.

Hmm..but they are reporting on the man that tried to scale Trump Tower with giant suction cups.  LOL

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Unluckyone on Aug 10, 2016

The media isn't reporting it. Their only agenda is to keep bashing Trump.

I hate my aol email. Stories do nothing but trash Trump.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 10, 2016

Hmm..but they are reporting on the man that tried to scale Trump Tower with giant suction cups.  LOL

What are the first three letters in NEWs? We already know that she's a power hungry and money hungry selfish person, and a guy climbing Trump Towers is certainly new and interesting.

LottoBux's avatarLottoBux

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 10, 2016

I don't blame ya, esp. if the odds were good.

One word of advice:  don't ever bet on the Cowboys, even if you're getting points.  I lost a whole pay check on Super Bowl XIII, taking Dallas + 3.  I'm glad I had a charge acct. at both the grocery store and gas station.

Don't You Know Better Than Betting On Romo In Crunch Time?

Is It December Already?

Sooner Or Later He Will Not Be Able To Play.

I Don't Even Know Who Their Backup Is.

This Is A Yearly Problem.

LottoBux's avatarLottoBux

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 10, 2016

I hate my aol email. Stories do nothing but trash Trump.

Why Don't You Switch To Another Provider?(gmail,yahoo)

There Are More Than Enough To Choose From.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by LottoBux on Aug 10, 2016

Don't You Know Better Than Betting On Romo In Crunch Time?

Is It December Already?

Sooner Or Later He Will Not Be Able To Play.

I Don't Even Know Who Their Backup Is.

This Is A Yearly Problem.

Roger Staubach was the Dallas QB of SB XIII. Tony Romo wasn't even born yet.   Romo has more 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB since 2006, although he's only one of 11 men on the field.  He also has the highest passer rating in December, but yet again, he's just one of eleven.  Of course "sooner or later he will not be able to play".  Duh.  You don't know who their backup is?  It's either Prescott or Showers, although some analysts think Dallas will make a move after training camp cuts, pick up someone on the waiver wire and not have to give up a draft pick and/or a player in a trade.  I don't see it happening, but....Yearly problem?  It was a problem LAST year, that's it.  It's a problem most other teams have when they lose their starting QB.

Seriously, you need to stick to giving your opinion on sports you "might" know something about, like curling or ice hockey...or tiddlywinks.

You also need to work on when to use capital letters.

LottoBux's avatarLottoBux

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 11, 2016

Roger Staubach was the Dallas QB of SB XIII. Tony Romo wasn't even born yet.   Romo has more 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB since 2006, although he's only one of 11 men on the field.  He also has the highest passer rating in December, but yet again, he's just one of eleven.  Of course "sooner or later he will not be able to play".  Duh.  You don't know who their backup is?  It's either Prescott or Showers, although some analysts think Dallas will make a move after training camp cuts, pick up someone on the waiver wire and not have to give up a draft pick and/or a player in a trade.  I don't see it happening, but....Yearly problem?  It was a problem LAST year, that's it.  It's a problem most other teams have when they lose their starting QB.

Seriously, you need to stick to giving your opinion on sports you "might" know something about, like curling or ice hockey...or tiddlywinks.

You also need to work on when to use capital letters.

Exactly...Prescott Or Showers???

I Am A Dallas Fan And..

I Love Romo But He Always Gets Hurt...

Dallas Cowboys playoff history

Date Game Result
Jan. 11, 2015 NFC Divisional Green Bay 26, Dallas 21
Jan. 4, 2015 NFC Wild Card Dallas 24, Detroit 20
Jan. 17, 2010 NFC Divisional Minnesota 34, Dallas 3
Jan. 9, 2010 NFC Wild Card Dallas 34, Philadelphia 14
Jan. 13, 2008 NFC Divisional N.Y. Giants 21, Dallas 17
Jan. 6, 2007 NFC Wild Card Seattle 21, Dallas 20
Jan. 3, 2004 NFC Wild Card Carolina 29, Dallas 10
Jan. 9, 2000 NFC Wild Card Minnesota 27, Dallas 10

 

Thank God They Had Detroit To Play Last Year

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

"Always"? His collarbone injury last year (they rushed him back too soon from the first injury) caused him to miss most of the season, as did the same type of injury in 2010 which caused him to miss most of the season.  Other than those, he hasn't missed all that many games, all things considered AND other QB's injuries considered.  I don't have time to go look at the stats, but I think Romo has been more durable than Roethlisberger (although I could be wrong) in total games missed and if percentages are taken into consideration, more durable than RGIII, Michael Vick, Sam Bradford, Jake Locker and a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head.

I'm well aware of their lack of playoff success.  I'm still a fan, though and have been for over a half-century.   You don't sound like much of a fan, just another bandwagon whiner.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 10, 2016

What are the first three letters in NEWs? We already know that she's a power hungry and money hungry selfish person, and a guy climbing Trump Towers is certainly new and interesting.

I checked the story again on CNN it's quite lengthy. They have the retail value of the suction cups listed at $280+
each. They must be bored with the current news items, they couldn't wait to go into great detail on this one.

Nothing more about Hillary than what she and Trump would do for their parents...What?

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by LottoBux on Aug 11, 2016

Why Don't You Switch To Another Provider?(gmail,yahoo)

There Are More Than Enough To Choose From.

It is my original email and it is on too many business cards and websites....my artist career.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 11, 2016

It is my original email and it is on too many business cards and websites....my artist career.

I know your pain. I have had my Yahoo email account since high school and pretty much most of my friends and acquaintances use that email.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

And now we see Hillary Clinton using the State Dept. as a tool of the Clinton Foundation. How do you think she will "use" this country if elected?

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 12, 2016

And now we see Hillary Clinton using the State Dept. as a tool of the Clinton Foundation. How do you think she will "use" this country if elected?

The establishment republicans who are against Trump tells us all we need to know.  This country would, once again, be sold to the highest bidder.  There's no difference between both parties in DC.  They want the criminal Hillary elected to keep our tax dollars flowing into their coffers.  Trump is our only hope.  Did you notice how the media have been attacking Trump non-stop for the last two weeks?  The DC media aren't our friends.

bigbear29

Trump, release your tax returns!  I don't mind change,  repub or dem, but just not with trump.  He's not smart enough to run the United States.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 12, 2016

Trump, release your tax returns!  I don't mind change,  repub or dem, but just not with trump.  He's not smart enough to run the United States.

Oh look who's back.  I thought you were in hibernation.  Trump can't release his tax info until after his IRS audit is complete.  BTW... Trump ran a billion dollar construction business for years.  What did Hillary run besides a corrupt money laundering business called the Clinton Foundation?  Give it a break man.  LOL

bigbear29

That is incorrect, he can release his taxes, audit or not.  Just because trump ran a construction company does not mean he can be the president of the United States.

 

I believe it was Ronald Reagan that released his taxes when in audit.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 12, 2016

That is incorrect, he can release his taxes, audit or not.  Just because trump ran a construction company does not mean he can be the president of the United States.

 

I believe it was Ronald Reagan that released his taxes when in audit.

Its obvious you know nothing about business.  On advice of his legal counsel, he can't.  Did you vote for the community organizer?  I bet you did huh?  We all know how great that turned out.  Trump is an executive who hires qualified people to advise him.  That's what this country needs right now, a great manager.  After all, the President is a manager.  No single person can call all the shots.  You agree?

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 12, 2016

Oh look who's back.  I thought you were in hibernation.  Trump can't release his tax info until after his IRS audit is complete.  BTW... Trump ran a billion dollar construction business for years.  What did Hillary run besides a corrupt money laundering business called the Clinton Foundation?  Give it a break man.  LOL

Thumbs Up

Personally, I don't give a hoot about his tax returns. Hillary has been doing evil deeds for a long time under the guise of

just politics..she's crooked, evil and no good for this country. I can't believe people are charmed and/or fooled by her lies.

She'll buckle....let's hope it's before voters hit the polls.

bigbear29

Trump needs a lot of votes to win, he better release his taxes.  Right now he's losing red states.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 12, 2016

Thumbs Up

Personally, I don't give a hoot about his tax returns. Hillary has been doing evil deeds for a long time under the guise of

just politics..she's crooked, evil and no good for this country. I can't believe people are charmed and/or fooled by her lies.

She'll buckle....let's hope it's before voters hit the polls.

Yea, the latest email made public proves she sold favors for money through the clinton foundation.  Where's the media on this?  This is bigger than Watergate.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 12, 2016

Trump needs a lot of votes to win, he better release his taxes.  Right now he's losing red states.

OMG... This is why I call you bigboar.

bigbear29

It was Nixon that released his taxes while in audit, not Reagan.

ArizonaDream's avatarArizonaDream

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 12, 2016

Trump, release your tax returns!  I don't mind change,  repub or dem, but just not with trump.  He's not smart enough to run the United States.

I don't like Trump, but Hillary is just plain evil. I'll go with the best chance to defeat her any day.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 12, 2016

Oh look who's back.  I thought you were in hibernation.  Trump can't release his tax info until after his IRS audit is complete.  BTW... Trump ran a billion dollar construction business for years.  What did Hillary run besides a corrupt money laundering business called the Clinton Foundation?  Give it a break man.  LOL

He can release it, he has just chosen not to.

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 12, 2016

Thumbs Up

Personally, I don't give a hoot about his tax returns. Hillary has been doing evil deeds for a long time under the guise of

just politics..she's crooked, evil and no good for this country. I can't believe people are charmed and/or fooled by her lies.

She'll buckle....let's hope it's before voters hit the polls.

I Agree! Except the buckle part.

bigbear29

He is not being transparent by not releasing his taxes, or is trump hiding something?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Kingofearth on Aug 12, 2016

He can release it, he has just chosen not to.

There is no way of knowing if he is even being audited so it's all moot. But so what, because it's just like everything Trumps says or does; somebody will make silly excuses hoping the very gullible believe it. "He was just joking about the Second Amendment people", "he was just being sarcastic", "I'm not familiar with that American born judge with a Mexican name", or "He's not a  war hero. He's a war hero because he wa captured. I like people who weren't captured.".

To get back on topic, if somebody want to bet a couple hundred or thousand on the results, the candidate with the easiest route to 270 should be the best bet. The last time I looked it's possible for Georgia and North Carolina to turn blue. Is Clinton behind in any state won by Obama in 2012?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 13, 2016

There is no way of knowing if he is even being audited so it's all moot. But so what, because it's just like everything Trumps says or does; somebody will make silly excuses hoping the very gullible believe it. "He was just joking about the Second Amendment people", "he was just being sarcastic", "I'm not familiar with that American born judge with a Mexican name", or "He's not a  war hero. He's a war hero because he wa captured. I like people who weren't captured.".

To get back on topic, if somebody want to bet a couple hundred or thousand on the results, the candidate with the easiest route to 270 should be the best bet. The last time I looked it's possible for Georgia and North Carolina to turn blue. Is Clinton behind in any state won by Obama in 2012?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/291148-poll-clinton-trump-nearly-tied-in-iowa

bigbear29

Hillary is going to win all blue states and pick up some red states.  Trump needs educated white votes, educated/non-educated black votes and educated/non-educated hispanic votes, which he does not have to win.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 13, 2016

He is not being transparent by not releasing his taxes, or is trump hiding something?

If he is, then we have 2 candidates who are...who is hiding more?

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 12, 2016

Its obvious you know nothing about business.  On advice of his legal counsel, he can't.  Did you vote for the community organizer?  I bet you did huh?  We all know how great that turned out.  Trump is an executive who hires qualified people to advise him.  That's what this country needs right now, a great manager.  After all, the President is a manager.  No single person can call all the shots.  You agree?

              I Agree!     Thank You....

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 12, 2016

Oh look who's back.  I thought you were in hibernation.  Trump can't release his tax info until after his IRS audit is complete.  BTW... Trump ran a billion dollar construction business for years.  What did Hillary run besides a corrupt money laundering business called the Clinton Foundation?  Give it a break man.  LOL

                    Thumbs Up

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 12, 2016

Thumbs Up

Personally, I don't give a hoot about his tax returns. Hillary has been doing evil deeds for a long time under the guise of

just politics..she's crooked, evil and no good for this country. I can't believe people are charmed and/or fooled by her lies.

She'll buckle....let's hope it's before voters hit the polls.

             I Agree!    You hit the nail on the head dr65... well spoken..

Vergie6

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Aug 13, 2016

             I Agree!    You hit the nail on the head dr65... well spoken..

AMEN!Patriot

Skibunnylk's avatarSkibunnylk

Quote: Originally posted by bigbear29 on Aug 12, 2016

Trump, release your tax returns!  I don't mind change,  repub or dem, but just not with trump.  He's not smart enough to run the United States.

"He's not smart enough to run the United States." 

So you think the community organizing B.S. artist is doing a great job destroying the country? Trump is not a B.S. Clown like Obama, but he is a successful man of integrity who loves his country....something Obama couldn't care less about.

LiveInGreenBay's avatarLiveInGreenBay

Quote: Originally posted by Skibunnylk on Aug 13, 2016

"He's not smart enough to run the United States." 

So you think the community organizing B.S. artist is doing a great job destroying the country? Trump is not a B.S. Clown like Obama, but he is a successful man of integrity who loves his country....something Obama couldn't care less about.

Very true.   I might also add the only thing Hillary cares about is lining her pockets.  Its already been proven (through emails) as Secretary of State she gave preferential treatment to people who gave millions to the Clinton Foundation.  I believe that Russian uranium deal will be her downfall.  Even the mainstream media won't be able to cover for her.  She's a real slime ball.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Aug 13, 2016

Very true.   I might also add the only thing Hillary cares about is lining her pockets.  Its already been proven (through emails) as Secretary of State she gave preferential treatment to people who gave millions to the Clinton Foundation.  I believe that Russian uranium deal will be her downfall.  Even the mainstream media won't be able to cover for her.  She's a real slime ball.

Agree.

Hillary is bought and paid for and how can't anyone see where she'll take this country? Down the same sorry old
path of split decisions...one half what she thinks is right and the other half what her interests think is right.
Where are WE in all of this?
You know, people say Trump is crazy...Top dog Republicans are pulling their support for him they say...he can't
run this country others say...well watch his Michigan speech...and watch Hillary's DNC speech...she's all starry eyed
and filled with ego...Trump has ego alright...the right kind...the only kind that will put this country back on track.

Hillary NEEDS this..
Trump WANTS it..
there's a big difference here.

bigbear29

Educated voters want to see what kind of businessman trump is and does he pay taxes.  Trump said he would lower taxes for everyone except the poor.  So how is he going to pay for this?  Trump needs to release his tax returns.

So what has President Obama destroyed in this country?

Kingofearth's avatarKingofearth

Quote: Originally posted by Skibunnylk on Aug 13, 2016

"He's not smart enough to run the United States." 

So you think the community organizing B.S. artist is doing a great job destroying the country? Trump is not a B.S. Clown like Obama, but he is a successful man of integrity who loves his country....something Obama couldn't care less about.

You're right. Obama promised change but instead ushered in far-right policies like Obamacare. His center-right conservatism is not the right course for the U.S.

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