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dmexport

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Sep 22, 2016, 10:02 pm

After playing for years its very clear and i saved the scratchers to prove everything. NY lotto claims a 3.2 chances of winning on the particular 10k a week for life game 1237. This is a BLATANT lie i had a check come threw i didnt expect and had decided to put half to playing lotto 1 game to test the odds. I purchased around 2,000-3000 tickets and have some come to some interesting facts. I have had 12 losing tickets in a row with 5-8 losers in a row actually being VERY common, the usual pattern i have seen is 3-4 losers in a row followed by 1 20$ money back winner and a 30-40$ winner followed by 4-5 more losers and the cycle repeats with a 100$ winner about ONCE per WHOLE ROLL, i bought 3 rolls during this time the first roll i only got back 320$ out of 1000$ the next was 290 and last was 280$ back on 1,000$ roll. There seems to only be 8-11 winners per roll with the VAST majority 20-40$ winners. I kept all the scratchers as proof to anyone who is thinking about playing i would really urge you to THINK about it!! You are putting 20$ down to at best get a 40$ winner and even then your odds are not 3.2 but about 4.5-5.0. I have even spent HOURS at a local hallmark that is a mini casino with tables of about dozen or more people non stop scratching all their money away and noticed the store is literally full of plastered 500-1000$ winners i made good friends with the clerks and asked how ofter they see a 500 or above winner in a store that sells 6-10 THOUSAND DOLLARS of these tickets a DAY and he said ONCE A WEEK!!! That means for every 40,000-50,000$ spent at the store only 1 winner of 500 to 1000! He did say he remembered one week with 2 500 and 1 thousand dollar winner as the stores BEST WEEK!! This is just robbery and fraud claiming chances of winning at 3.2 but in reality making it 5.0 there is no way if it is random to have 12 losers in a row that is like saying you can flip a coin 12 times and get heads every time go ahead you can flip all day and wont get past 10...

In conclusion the REAL return rate in NY on game 1237 is about 30 CENTS TO DOLLAR i suspected so but was never sure and the thought was bugging me so much i had to pull the trigger and see the truth for myself. Also check this out in ISLANDIA NY 2 jackpots won a MONTH APART one 5,000000 and one 3,000000$ with a population UNDER 3,000!!! The chances of that given the fact that most tickets go to NYC as there are scratcher junkies in every store scratching there money away in a hurry! If anyone looks where the jackpot tickets get sold they will notice its almost ALWAYS at some small town no one even knew existed! Probably because there are people on the inside who send these tickets there to make sure there family or friends wont have a hard time finding the winner think about it what the odds would be of 2 jackpot scratchers getting sent to islandia within a period of 30-40 days!! Thats like getting hit by a car and lighting at the same time it just doesnt add up... I am sure there will be tons of replies of players that consistently play the 20$ scratchers and know the real odds are 5.0 if not worse!
helpmewin

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Oct 14, 2016, 9:04 pm

Wow
Soledad

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Oct 14, 2016, 9:50 pm

You bought 3,000 $20 scratch off tickets? Wow. I thought I used to be bad. I guess not. Listen, I could have told you that, meaning what you said. That's all obvious information. The reason people play scratchers and not numbers is because they at least get something back. People are for the most part happy with that. And if they get an extra $20 or $50, they're satisfied for the most part.

However, back to what you said. First off wow, I wish I had that much to play with. I'd make a killing on scratchers. Anyways, I have heard that every 3 tickets starting from #1 have a better chance. Although not all the time. And I have heard from a worker, catch my drift, that the vending machines in NY, are much better to win more money with the $20 ones, than the tickets in the stores.

Take it for what it is. It's still the same thinking in the end.

Wow, I still can't believe it. That's a lot. A store near me once sold a $5,000,000 $20 scratcher once. That store has since closed though. Stores around me always have jackpot winners. I used to have 'fleas' and scratch. I hit the jackpot on 'Happy Birthday' and 'Hit $200' lol..Sorry for your disappointment, I've been there .
Dracos

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Oct 14, 2016, 9:59 pm

Wow, I've heard the NY lotto is bad. I didn't think NY lottery was this bad. That's extremely upsetting. I grew up in NYC, and the idea of a small town in NY receiving two jackpots within a short span of time considering the overwhelming majority of retailers are in NYC seems awfully suspicious...if we give them a benefit of a doubt, it might be a serious distribution flaw within their distribution process.

FL Lottery can be comparably bad. I've encountered TWELVE losers in a row on a $20 ticket here in Florida, yes...TWELVE. The infamous Lucky $200k/yr for Life ticket...

Additionally, our $600 rolls offer a minimum payout of $245. These $20 tickets tend to payout just that. A good roll might return $400. If you're breaking even, it means you're either finding multiple $100 winners in a roll or a bigger win such as $500+.

That's absolutely criminal. I do agree with the post above that people play scratchers with the intention of getting some money back, and more probable chances at hitting a life changing amount of money. In my opinion, even buying a $20 - $25 scratcher occasionally probably returns far more money than draw games in a long-run.

It sounds like the $20 tickets in NY might be worse than our $1/$2 tickets. Even $1 tickets can sometimes have multiple $20 winners in a roll, offering a return comparable to 40 cents back per dollar.
dmexport

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Oct 22, 2016, 12:16 am

Yup islandia with a population of 3 thousand hits a 3mil and 5mil scratcher top prizes within 40 day span while nyc hasnt seen a jackpot winner in MONTHS NOW... very very VERY suspicious

Also the new 25$ cash blowout game is CRIMINAL the measly 500$ prize chance to win is 1,648.00 that is straight up CRIMINAL... the next prize 2,500 which is ok but not that good figure 2000 after tax... not even a rent payment for most nyc people and those odds are 13,010.53 the 5k prize that is a decent win in my mind but not really that good once again 4k after tax isnt going to even buy you a hooptie! the odds are 41,200.00 so hitting that would be quite hard. And next up is 10k at odds of 82,400.00 so basically you got more of a chance to get hit by a car twice in one year... and the next 20k prize is 1 in 245,000 so you got the same chance as getting hit by lightning as winning plus the top prize odds suck also 4.5 million should be like the 100x game 1 in 3mil.. NY LOTTO is getting greedy by the day.....with those odds its obvious the only "blowout" one will experience with this game is a wallet blowout and not in the good sense!! Best bet is to just play one card a week sure you 99.99999999999999% wont win but atleast you wont be out thousands of dollars at the end although if you got the money just lying around and you are as bored as me...... maybe one day i will stumble on a lucky ticket who knows right?
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Oct 28, 2016, 12:56 pm

Was playing the $20 Wild Bonanza Multiplier yesterday.... 7 losers in a row... 8th one was a $40 win.

These tickets suck.

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Oct 28, 2016, 4:06 pm

I'm sorry you've had such terrible luck with your games.

In case you or anyone else who plays NY scratch off games wants to continue playing here is our analysis for ALL scratch off games in NY for currently active games according to the NY Lottery.

We analyze all the the games and rank them based on the proportion of Top Prizes remaining vs the total tickets sold. This analysis, you won't find anywhere buy from ScratchSmarter.

The HIGHER our Smart Factor calculation, the better the chances are of winning a top prize. If the Smart Factor is below a 1.0, don't bother playing the game;

YOU WILL HAVE TROUBLE FINDING THE TOP RANKED GAMES- RETAILERS WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE - this simply means they are NO LONGER available at their store. If you can find the top games, you should play them!

This Ranking is based on the data published as of 10/28/2016

STATE	OVERALL RANK	PRICE	GAME NAME	GAME NUMBER	SMART FACTOR
NY	1	$5.00 Games	$1,000,000 Frenzy	1215	3.013
NY	2	$5.00 Games	Queen of Green	1230	1.99
NY	3	$5.00 Games	777 Jackpot	1157	1.91
NY	4	$5.00 Games	Ice Bank	1186	1.476
NY	5	$3.00 Games	Words With Friends	1187	1.462
NY	6	$10.00 Games	Frosty Cash	1223	1.349
NY	7	$1.00 Games	Cool 9's	1240	1.149
NY	8	$2.00 Games	7/11/2021	1199	1.107
NY	9	$3.00 Games	40X Your Money	1168	1.092
NY	10	$2.00 Games	Money Drop Multiplier	1198	1.075
NY	11	$5.00 Games	Holiday Treasures	1224	1.068
NY	12	$3.00 Games	Tripling Cashword	1206	1.017
NY	13	$5.00 Games	Super $777,777	1243	0.994
NY	14	$20.00 Games	Cash X100	1200	0.965
NY	15	$2.00 Games	10X The Luck	1234	0.902
NY	16	$1.00 Games	Triple Tripler	1235	0.869
NY	17	$10.00 Games	SET FOR LIFE	850, 1212	0.837
NY	18	$3.00 Games	Block - O Â®	1233	0.832
NY	19	$2.00 Games	It's A Wonderful Life	1225	0.806
NY	20	$1.00 Games	Baa Humbucks	1226	0.788
NY	21	$5.00 Games	Wheel of Fortune - Orange	1238	0.785
NY	22	$25.00 Games	New York Millions	1229	0.784
NY	23	$20.00 Games	$10,000 A Week for Life	1237	0.745
NY	24	$1.00 Games	Instant Take 5	831, 1103	0.716
NY	25	$3.00 Games	Frogger Â®	1244	0.709
NY	26	$2.00 Games	Instant $50	1239	0.69
NY	27	$2.00 Games	Blackout Bingo	1141	0.675
NY	28	$3.00 Games	Crossway Cash	1253	0.673
NY	29	$2.00 Games	Cashword	1120, 1228	0.665
NY	30	$5.00 Games	Monopoly Millionaire's Club	1191	0.664
NY	31	$2.00 Games	Bingo Doubler	808, 1140	0.647
NY	32	$2.00 Games	LUCKY STARS	1195	0.633
NY	33	$10.00 Games	$1,000,000 CASHWORD	615, 1241	0.626
NY	34	$2.00 Games	Wild 10s	1249	0.619
NY	35	$2.00 Games	Win For Life	728, 1124	0.612
NY	36	$10.00 Games	$3,000,000 Frenzy	1214	0.61
NY	37	$20.00 Games	Wild Bonanza Multiplier	1247	0.61
NY	38	$1.00 Games	Cash X10	1203	0.607
NY	39	$2.00 Games	Money Multiplier	1245	0.607
NY	40	$20.00 Games	Lucky 7's Playbook	1192	0.605
NY	41	$1.00 Games	LOOSE CHANGE	803, 1111	0.602
NY	42	$1.00 Games	Wild Wins	1250	0.602
NY	43	$1.00 Games	7/11/2021	1254	0.596
NY	44	$1.00 Games	WILD CASH	1248	0.594
NY	45	$10.00 Games	$25, $50 OR $100!	1242	0.592
NY	46	$5.00 Games	Double Triple Cashword	821, 1236	0.588
NY	47	$5.00 Games	$2,500 A WEEK FOR LIFE	1246	0.584
NY	48	$5.00 Games	WHEEL OF FORTUNE	1197	0.579
NY	49	$1.00 Games	Lucky 7's	822, 1101	0.573
NY	50	$2.00 Games	Cashword Doubler	1100, 1218	0.572
NY	51	$3.00 Games	Cashword Connect	1227, 1231	0.568
NY	52	$10.00 Games	Quick $600	1208	0.56
NY	53	$1.00 Games	Spicy 1's	1255	0.56
NY	54	$2.00 Games	Find the 8's	1221	0.557
NY	55	$1.00 Games	Triple Black Cherry	1211	0.535
NY	56	$3.00 Games	UNO	1220	0.519
NY	57	$10.00 Games	Bonus Rainbow Bingo	1204	0.516
NY	58	$2.00 Games	Instant Frenzy	1216	0.514
NY	59	$5.00 Games	Money Vault	1252	0.499
NY	60	$5.00 Games	Jackpot Party Â®	1232	0.462
NY	61	$5.00 Games	Gold Castle	1251	0.449
NY	62	$2.00 Games	Iâ™¥NYÂ®	1210	0.432
NY	63	$2.00 Games	Red Hot & Blue 7's	1207	0.406
NY	64	$2.00 Games	Whole Lotta $100s	1213	0.392
NY	65	$5.00 Games	New York Poker	714, 1130	0.306
NY	66	$1.00 Games	Fast Cash	1222	0.227

With this analysis, I wish you the VERY BEST OF LUCK!

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Dragonsofra

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Nov 1, 2016, 4:48 am

Hello from CA

I have never purchased an entire roll.

The closest I have come is the time I kept pressing a roll of $20 Ultimate Riches AND $20 Million Match (Ticket-by-ticket; same time, same store) and to my shock, went through about 90% of each roll without anymore than a 50 dollar winner and a handful of tickets (and a few in-between prizes). These rolls contain 30 tickets and cost 600 dollars...

The best I have ever done playing scratchers (In a 24-hour period) was when I spent about 80 bucks and hit a 500 dollar prize on a $10 game. I returned to the same store later in the day, and without spending any money from the time of the last $500 winner, I bought a $30 scratcher and did it again. I then proceeded to lose 3,000 dollars over the next few days without a winner bigger than $100. That totally eclipsed my positive experience on that day which I regard as my best turnout ever.
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Nov 1, 2016, 4:35 pm

<snip> that sucks man

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