The estimated 390,000 illegal aliens in North Carolina are welcome to spend money on the state's new lottery, but they may not be allowed to collect.
Lottery officials said state law does not prohibit illegal aliens from collecting a prize, but the lottery's claim policies may effectively bar them from getting the money.
N.C. lottery rules require a winner of $600 or more to claim their prize at a lottery office, showing a photo identification and proof of a Social Security number. If the winner doesn't have a Social Security number, the lottery will accept: a U.S. passport, a foreign passport, an identification card issued by another state, a U.S. armed forces identification card, voter registration card or permanent resident card (green card), which is now pink or white.
Typically, illegal aliens cannot legally obtain a Social Security number.
"If they don't have a green card or foreign passport, they're not going to get anything," said lottery spokeswoman Pam Walker. "Because they're likely to be an illegal alien."
An outright ban on jackpots for illegal aliens would put North Carolina in a small minority. As few as two states, Maryland and North Dakota, restrict prizes to legal residents. Most states' guidelines don't address the issue, while states along the Mexican border make no effort to determine residency. One of California's first big prize winners in 1985 was an illegal alien who won $2 million and was promptly deported back to Mexico.
The issue comes just as the illegal immigration debate is boiling over nationally with protests across the country, a congressional showdown and fellow Republicans criticizing President Bush over his policies.
At the same time, North Carolina's lottery is less than a month old in a state with one of the fastest-growing Hispanic populations. One in every five lottery retailers on opening day last month was in a neighborhood where the adult population was at least 10 percent Hispanic, according to an Observer analysis of lottery and demographic data.
It would be unfair to block illegal immigrants from winning, said Sandra Machuca, owner of La Centroamericana convenience store on South Boulevard in Charlotte. She has been selling about $1,000 worth of scratch-off tickets a week. Her biggest winner won $150.
"None of my clients are American," Machuca said. "Whoever wins has a right to the prize. That's why they buy the ticket."
State Controller Robert Powell, who oversees the state's cash flow and accounting, said lottery officials should address the issue.
"If you're here illegally, then there should be at least a legal determination as to whether you should receive the funds," Powell said. "If you're not here in this country legally, I don't know whether you should be eligible to receive lottery winnings."
Powell said he is not proposing a rule one way or the other.
"I'm just saying it ought to be discussed and answered," he said.
Walker said a winner who has no Social Security number but does have required identification will still get paid but at the higher, nonresident tax withholding rate, 30 percent instead of 25 percent.
"Our policy on this mirrors many other states' and there is no intent to prohibit any person from claiming a prize," Walker said. "They simply must have the required identification."
'It's easy to get around the law'
A bill in the S.C. legislature would limit winners to legal residents, but that legislation is stalled in committee. Lottery Director Ernie Passailaigue said winners must give a Social Security number, which effectively bars illegal aliens, but all they need is a friend."It's easy to get around the law," he said. "Just give (the winning ticket) to somebody who has a Social Security number."
Several state lottery Web sites carry warnings about a current lottery scam in which someone claiming to be an illegal immigrant sells a winning ticket for less than its value to avoid the spotlight of claiming the prize. The ticket, of course, is fake, but the fear of scrutiny is not.
Jose Caballero was an illegal alien delivering furniture in San Jose, Calif., when he won the California lottery in 1985. Federal authorities returned him to Mexico after reading news accounts, but he kept his prize.
North Dakota's lottery instituted a policy on April 1 prohibiting illegal aliens from buying tickets or collecting prizes, though director Chuck Keller acknowledged it is impossible to ban the ticket buying and claiming of small prizes.
"As a matter of public policy," Keller said, "an illegal alien should not have the privilege of buying a state service ... nor be able to win a prize."
Education or enforcement?
Nolo Martinez, a former governor's adviser in North Carolina on Latino affairs, said such policies criminalize people who would be paying taxes and want nothing more than to live outside the shadows.
"We're creating a mentality of a police state by suggesting that we're going to bring in immigration enforcement to a game that was designed to benefit education," said Martinez, now with the Center for New North Carolinians at UNC Greensboro.
The Texas lottery is among several southern border states that make no effort to screen for illegal aliens, some of whom likely have won a jackpot at some point, said spokeswoman Leticia Vasquez.
"We're pretty sure that they have," Vasquez said, "but we don't ask them to present any documentation to certify that they're in this country legally. We just ask for photo ID."
I think that is the saddest thing I have ever heard of. The "illegal aliens" are getting the shaft from every direction. Kind of reminds me of the struggle that blacks had to gain equal status..this country is so damn racist..!!!!
The illegal aliens are breaking the law. Most states deduct child support and outstanding fines from lottery winnings. Why not penalize these law breakers? Makes sense to me. I would feel the same way about an illegal Irishman. Either respect the law or change it. The law is not a cafeteria where you pick and choose the statutes you agree with.
WOW, I am not a racist person at all!! BYYY FAR But I do agree. My thought and question is this Have you all askd yourselves... Since they dont HAVE to pay taxes for what is it? the 1st 7 years? That may be a reason that they are doing this too I know that there is nothing more that pisses me off then a Alien coming over with no residency no ins and on a student visa that can borrower thousands of dollars in educational funds and then collect welfare benefits and still live tax free and were the us cit. and they take HALF of the money that WE RESIDENTS put in to make that 200 mill jackpot but we only get 60 mill Jacked up I tell ya!!!!!
They come for the "American Dream", but do not want to pay taxes? That is 25% + of are dream. No state should pay out any prize to illegal aliens, and American citizens should not half to pay tax on prizes won on a state lotto.
I think that all those people (?) should be sent back to wherever they came from. They are not supposed to be here if they are illegal. Send their sorry butts back. Get rid of all of them.
All I can say is that if many of you had your dreams come true and kicked people out and/or killed them or whatever, you would have real economic problems. These people keep your Walmarts running. You may not understand that, but it is indeed the case.
These people don't come here because they are useless or lazy. They come because they are poor and because they have no hope if they stay home. Most of you benefit by their labors in ways you simply choose not to see, mostly because the modern American habit is to tell ourselves pleasant lies. These people suffer degradation on an unbelievable nature, not only at home, but in the places they live.
You are all very smug. But you don't realize, perhaps, that you live in the world's largest debtor nation, that you are rapidly decending into third world status yourselves, your resources squandered (as is often the case in the third world) in an orgy of corruption, excess, delusion and illusion. You can't even grasp the surface of how easily and how obviously you are being manipulated and how much risk you face. You think you live in the world's richest nation, but actually you live in the world's poorest nation. The time may come when Mexico is closing the border, to keep you out.
May God have mercy on you when you realize what is coming.
I think that all those people (?) should be sent back to wherever they came from. They are not supposed to be here if they are illegal. Send their sorry butts back. Get rid of all of them.
I think that is the saddest thing I have ever heard of. The "illegal aliens" are getting the shaft from every direction. Kind of reminds me of the struggle that blacks had to gain equal status..this country is so damn racist..!!!!
No legal aliens are getting the shaft. They pay thousands of dollars and go through many hardships only to be told basically they were idiots for spending a dime and should have come here illegally instead by morons supporting people breaking immigration laws. Not all Mexicans are here illegally but when 1+ million a year break the law to get here it's a big problem. The biggest problem is the gutting of the blue collar class in the US and depression of wages illegal immigration causes.
I think a lot of the anger going on now is from a government that refuses to enforce the law. I have been in traffic court a few times and each time witness illegals whom have no car insurance and no driving licence get out of paying for damages they caused. People are just getting sick of the total lack of accoutability. The best way to stop it is to have prison terms for any who hire illegal immigrants. Since such employers aren't paying SS or medicare/medicaid tax not to mention income tax withholdings the IRS could do this now.
On the lottery I think they should be able to collect and then get kicked out for 10 years as the law states.
I live in an area where the largest population growth has been the hispanic community. I have worked as a computer programmer, mechanical engineer and a draftsman. I have lost my position to outsourcing to foreign countries 5 times. Each time I was unemployed, I depended on a lower paying job until I could find something new. Now, there are very few jobs available and the pay is terrible for those that exist. Without jobs and constant outsourcing the middle class position is precarious.
We can't prevent illegal immigration and it would be foolish to try. I'm afraid we must adjust to a 2 class society. Therefore, it is discrimination to not give away lottery money to a foreigner; be they British, French, Chinese, Hispanic, etc.
I think that is the saddest thing I have ever heard of. The "illegal aliens" are getting the shaft from every direction. Kind of reminds me of the struggle that blacks had to gain equal status..this country is so damn racist..!!!!
I have a solution to the illegal alien issue, but it freaks people out. When we catch one, we put a computer chip in them and return them to Mexico. If they are caught again, we put them on a work gang building a 20-foot high wall between the U.S. and Mexico. We can track those chips by satellite. If they want a job, I'll give them one.
We have a right to protect U.S. territory. How we bought it or stole it is not the issue. It is our nation and we are obligated to protect it. If you don't like this or think protecting our nation is racist, go back to Mexico with your new amigos.
This is not ignorance. Refusing to defend American territory when it is invaded by people who don't want to be Americans is ignorance. Wait! That isn't really ignorance, it is treason . . .
What is bad is that they will not widely advertise that fact that illegal immigrants cannot collect the huge lottery prizes should they win. That fact is hidden away in the fine line that nobody cares to read leave alone a non english speaking immigrant, but you know what "jah shall come so real and right" as the group "Israel vibrations" sang in their song "real and right." Jah cannot be defeated with voilence, Jah will protect his children
I have a solution to the illegal alien issue, but it freaks people out. When we catch one, we put a computer chip in them and return them to Mexico. If they are caught again, we put them on a work gang building a 20-foot high wall between the U.S. and Mexico. We can track those chips by satellite. If they want a job, I'll give them one.
We have a right to protect U.S. territory. How we bought it or stole it is not the issue. It is our nation and we are obligated to protect it. If you don't like this or think protecting our nation is racist, go back to Mexico with your new amigos.
This is not ignorance. Refusing to defend American territory when it is invaded by people who don't want to be Americans is ignorance. Wait! That isn't really ignorance, it is treason . . .
Orangeman
I didn't say it was ignorance to protect our borders and our country. I said it was ignorance to say kill them, and all the other ignorances uttered against a group of people that you know nothing about.
Regardless of what the problems are, they are still human beings and don't deserve the ugly things people say about them. And everybody who speak Spanish aren't Mexicans. How ignorant is that?
Ya'll act like you would like to hang them from the nearest tree. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of people won't just do that. I'm sure our elected officials will attempt to do what is necessary to solve the problems.
If you want to hate somebody, direct it at the government for being slack and greedy employers and all of the other people who profit from it. Yes I agree, prosecute the employers, but if you did that you would have to prosecute some elected officials as well.
A illegal alien ran into my house with a car about 2 years ago, no drivers license, no insurance, the cop let him walk away with no fine! My home insurance would not pay for it because of the uninsured motorist was responsible for damages, it cost me about $12,000.00 (out of my pocket) to have everything fixed, I had just been unemployed 2 months before because my shop closed and moved over sea's. About 1 month after he hit my home he was on the run from police for shooting someone in the leg.
Do I think they should be able to collect a prize - H#ll no!!!!!! I do not have a problem with anyone coming to America, just come legally, obey the laws, pay twice the amount of taxes the rest of do, and if you win, send your check to me to pay for the damage your inbreed brother did to my house!!!!
The problem would take care of itself if our so called government would make it a serious crime to hire, house, employ, school, etc. illegal aliens (without causing discrimation for legal immigrants) and stop the nonsense where children born here to illegal alien parents automatically become U.S. citizens, even Canada ended that policy. Oh, and give one time free transportation to back home.
Lottery tickets are bearer instruments, anyone should be able to cash one if they have a winning ticket. Taxes and how much you get can vary, but even criminals should be able to collect what's left after making restitution.
Tenaj, bless your liberal pea-pickin heart. You do mean well. So did Nevile Chamberlain at the Munich conference in 1938. I don't hate Mexicans as people. I just want them on their side of the Rio Grande where they can speak Spanish and mess up their country to their heart's content. That isn't racist. That is good common sense. You are free to visit your new amigos any time you want. On the south side of the Rio Grande.
I'm friendly with my Mexican neighbors who work hard and have close family ties. I think they are all here legally, but as long as they take care of their own business, I mind mine. My main complaint is that many people here don't speak any English. Often ads for employment state "prefer bilingual" which is frustrating. I also find it offensive that foreign flags were waved on Monday while our troops were dying in Iraq. Some people in defense have compared it to the Irish flag being displayed on Saint Patrick's Day, but that's entirely different since that wasn't in protest, it was in celebration the same way on Cinco de Mayo nobody has a problem seeing the Mexican flag waved in good fun.
Regarding the lottery, I don't know why being legal or illegal has anything to do with it as long as the maximum tax is deducted.
"As few as two states, Maryland and North Dakota, restrict prizes to legal residents."
I wonder if they post that where lottery tickets are sold so visitors to their states will know if they play and win big they can't collect.
Good.
I'm gonna place an ad in the NC Hispanic newspaper that I will happily cash their winning JP tickets, for a nominal fee....
DD
I think that is the saddest thing I have ever heard of. The "illegal aliens" are getting the shaft from every direction. Kind of reminds me of the struggle that blacks had to gain equal status..this country is so damn racist..!!!!
The illegal aliens are breaking the law. Most states deduct child support and outstanding fines from lottery winnings. Why not penalize these law breakers? Makes sense to me. I would feel the same way about an illegal Irishman. Either respect the law or change it. The law is not a cafeteria where you pick and choose the statutes you agree with.
Orangeman
I SAY JUST KILL ALL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
THEY'RE CALLED "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" FOR A REASON.
They should wait in line just like everybody else to enter the USA.
There's nothing racist about it. They are illegal. Period. End of story.
WOW, I am not a racist person at all!! BYYY FAR But I do agree. My thought and question is this Have you all askd yourselves... Since they dont HAVE to pay taxes for what is it? the 1st 7 years? That may be a reason that they are doing this too I know that there is nothing more that pisses me off then a Alien coming over with no residency no ins and on a student visa that can borrower thousands of dollars in educational funds and then collect welfare benefits and still live tax free and were the us cit. and they take HALF of the money that WE RESIDENTS put in to make that 200 mill jackpot but we only get 60 mill Jacked up I tell ya!!!!!
Since the law requires photo ID and SS numbers for prizes over $600 look for these folks to concentrate on the Pick 3 once it gets started.
Wonder if an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number would be acceptable?
They come for the "American Dream", but do not want to pay taxes? That is 25% + of are dream. No state should pay out any prize to illegal aliens, and American citizens should not half to pay tax on prizes won on a state lotto.
I think that all those people (?) should be sent back to wherever they came from. They are not supposed to be here if they are illegal. Send their sorry butts back. Get rid of all of them.
Most of the comments disgust me.
All I can say is that if many of you had your dreams come true and kicked people out and/or killed them or whatever, you would have real economic problems. These people keep your Walmarts running. You may not understand that, but it is indeed the case.
These people don't come here because they are useless or lazy. They come because they are poor and because they have no hope if they stay home. Most of you benefit by their labors in ways you simply choose not to see, mostly because the modern American habit is to tell ourselves pleasant lies. These people suffer degradation on an unbelievable nature, not only at home, but in the places they live.
You are all very smug. But you don't realize, perhaps, that you live in the world's largest debtor nation, that you are rapidly decending into third world status yourselves, your resources squandered (as is often the case in the third world) in an orgy of corruption, excess, delusion and illusion. You can't even grasp the surface of how easily and how obviously you are being manipulated and how much risk you face. You think you live in the world's richest nation, but actually you live in the world's poorest nation. The time may come when Mexico is closing the border, to keep you out.
May God have mercy on you when you realize what is coming.
I'm gonna place an ad in the NC Hispanic newspaper that I will happily cash their winning JP tickets, for a nominal fee....
DD
i agree.we could charge a percentage and we'll all make good,lol.
i think most of these immigrants are worried about more pressing concerns instead of lottery tickets......
I think that all those people (?) should be sent back to wherever they came from. They are not supposed to be here if they are illegal. Send their sorry butts back. Get rid of all of them.
I SAY JUST KILL ALL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
THEY'RE CALLED "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" FOR A REASON.
They should wait in line just like everybody else to enter the USA.
I think that is the saddest thing I have ever heard of. The "illegal aliens" are getting the shaft from every direction. Kind of reminds me of the struggle that blacks had to gain equal status..this country is so damn racist..!!!!
No legal aliens are getting the shaft. They pay thousands of dollars and go through many hardships only to be told basically they were idiots for spending a dime and should have come here illegally instead by morons supporting people breaking immigration laws. Not all Mexicans are here illegally but when 1+ million a year break the law to get here it's a big problem. The biggest problem is the gutting of the blue collar class in the US and depression of wages illegal immigration causes.
I think a lot of the anger going on now is from a government that refuses to enforce the law. I have been in traffic court a few times and each time witness illegals whom have no car insurance and no driving licence get out of paying for damages they caused. People are just getting sick of the total lack of accoutability. The best way to stop it is to have prison terms for any who hire illegal immigrants. Since such employers aren't paying SS or medicare/medicaid tax not to mention income tax withholdings the IRS could do this now.
On the lottery I think they should be able to collect and then get kicked out for 10 years as the law states.
I live in an area where the largest population growth has been the hispanic community. I have worked as a computer programmer, mechanical engineer and a draftsman. I have lost my position to outsourcing to foreign countries 5 times. Each time I was unemployed, I depended on a lower paying job until I could find something new. Now, there are very few jobs available and the pay is terrible for those that exist. Without jobs and constant outsourcing the middle class position is precarious.
We can't prevent illegal immigration and it would be foolish to try. I'm afraid we must adjust to a 2 class society. Therefore, it is discrimination to not give away lottery money to a foreigner; be they British, French, Chinese, Hispanic, etc.
It's only a two class system if we vote for people who put us there.
I think that is the saddest thing I have ever heard of. The "illegal aliens" are getting the shaft from every direction. Kind of reminds me of the struggle that blacks had to gain equal status..this country is so damn racist..!!!!
absolutely no comparison between the two.
I have a solution to the illegal alien issue, but it freaks people out. When we catch one, we put a computer chip in them and return them to Mexico. If they are caught again, we put them on a work gang building a 20-foot high wall between the U.S. and Mexico. We can track those chips by satellite. If they want a job, I'll give them one.
We have a right to protect U.S. territory. How we bought it or stole it is not the issue. It is our nation and we are obligated to protect it. If you don't like this or think protecting our nation is racist, go back to Mexico with your new amigos.
This is not ignorance. Refusing to defend American territory when it is invaded by people who don't want to be Americans is ignorance. Wait! That isn't really ignorance, it is treason . . .
Orangeman
What is bad is that they will not widely advertise that fact that illegal immigrants cannot collect the huge lottery prizes should they win. That fact is hidden away in the fine line that nobody cares to read leave alone a non english speaking immigrant, but you know what "jah shall come so real and right" as the group "Israel vibrations" sang in their song "real and right." Jah cannot be defeated with voilence, Jah will protect his children
I have a solution to the illegal alien issue, but it freaks people out. When we catch one, we put a computer chip in them and return them to Mexico. If they are caught again, we put them on a work gang building a 20-foot high wall between the U.S. and Mexico. We can track those chips by satellite. If they want a job, I'll give them one.
We have a right to protect U.S. territory. How we bought it or stole it is not the issue. It is our nation and we are obligated to protect it. If you don't like this or think protecting our nation is racist, go back to Mexico with your new amigos.
This is not ignorance. Refusing to defend American territory when it is invaded by people who don't want to be Americans is ignorance. Wait! That isn't really ignorance, it is treason . . .
Orangeman
Regardless of what the problems are, they are still human beings and don't deserve the ugly things people say about them. And everybody who speak Spanish aren't Mexicans. How ignorant is that?
Ya'll act like you would like to hang them from the nearest tree. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of people won't just do that. I'm sure our elected officials will attempt to do what is necessary to solve the problems.
If you want to hate somebody, direct it at the government for being slack and greedy employers and all of the other people who profit from it. Yes I agree, prosecute the employers, but if you did that you would have to prosecute some elected officials as well.
But cut out the hatred, it borders on bigotry.
A illegal alien ran into my house with a car about 2 years ago, no drivers license, no insurance, the cop let him walk away with no fine! My home insurance would not pay for it because of the uninsured motorist was responsible for damages, it cost me about $12,000.00 (out of my pocket) to have everything fixed, I had just been unemployed 2 months before because my shop closed and moved over sea's. About 1 month after he hit my home he was on the run from police for shooting someone in the leg.
Do I think they should be able to collect a prize - H#ll no!!!!!! I do not have a problem with anyone coming to America, just come legally, obey the laws, pay twice the amount of taxes the rest of do, and if you win, send your check to me to pay for the damage your inbreed brother did to my house!!!!
The problem would take care of itself if our so called government would make it a serious crime to hire, house, employ, school, etc. illegal aliens (without causing discrimation for legal immigrants) and stop the nonsense where children born here to illegal alien parents automatically become U.S. citizens, even Canada ended that policy. Oh, and give one time free transportation to back home.
Lottery tickets are bearer instruments, anyone should be able to cash one if they have a winning ticket. Taxes and how much you get can vary, but even criminals should be able to collect what's left after making restitution.
BobP
Tenaj, bless your liberal pea-pickin heart. You do mean well. So did Nevile Chamberlain at the Munich conference in 1938. I don't hate Mexicans as people. I just want them on their side of the Rio Grande where they can speak Spanish and mess up their country to their heart's content. That isn't racist. That is good common sense. You are free to visit your new amigos any time you want. On the south side of the Rio Grande.
Orangeman
I'm friendly with my Mexican neighbors who work hard and have close family ties. I think they are all here legally, but as long as they take care of their own business, I mind mine. My main complaint is that many people here don't speak any English. Often ads for employment state "prefer bilingual" which is frustrating. I also find it offensive that foreign flags were waved on Monday while our troops were dying in Iraq. Some people in defense have compared it to the Irish flag being displayed on Saint Patrick's Day, but that's entirely different since that wasn't in protest, it was in celebration the same way on Cinco de Mayo nobody has a problem seeing the Mexican flag waved in good fun.
Regarding the lottery, I don't know why being legal or illegal has anything to do with it as long as the maximum tax is deducted.