Welcome Guest
Log In | Register )

Quick Links

USA Mega Lottery Results Gadget for Windows Vista

NetConnect

Internet Domains, simple and cheap

Find a domain name:

  Home

Petition for True Lottery Drawings Megaplier Petition
You last visited May 17, 2008, 4:44 am

Tenn. players picked up on new odds before lottery revealed glitch

Tenn. players picked up on new odds before lottery revealed glitch

Posted: 10/28/2007 7:43:05 AM

Tennessee Lottery

Updated! Includes illustrative charts below.

Somebody knew. Or somebody caught on.

An analysis of 55 million tickets played in the Cash 3 and Cash 4 lottery games shows that in August, more people started playing the numbers most likely to come up.

That is the time period when a "glitch" in a new computerized system of picking numbers prevented duplicating combinations such as 1-1-2 or 3-3-3-3 from being drawn.

A Tennessean computer analysis indicates that players either knew or figured out that duplicate numbers weren't coming up, because many stopped playing them. An outside auditor hired by the lottery to examine the glitch isn't investigating whether fraud was involved in such purchases, however.

Todd Northrop, creator of the Web site Lotterypost.com, where lottery enthusiasts trade their betting strategies, said it was essential that the lottery look back at what happened to ensure fraud was not a factor.

"In order to run a lottery, I think you have to be so far above board," Northrop said. "You have to demonstrate that there is no way something is happening behind the scenes."

Lottery CEO Rebecca Paul Hargrove said lottery officials did look into the questions of fraud. They looked at the 15 numbers that paid out the most money during the time the computers were drawing only singles, and at other time periods, and the payouts were similar.

"If you are going to do fraud, you would put a lot of money on specific numbers," she said. "That just didn't occur."

Coding error ran 3 weeks

On July 28, the lottery switched from little white balls to computers to pick random numbers for Cash 3 and Cash 4.

Unbeknownst to the lottery, the computers were blocked from picking repeat numbers because of a computer coding error.

The lottery didn't discover the problem until Aug 20, and announced it on Aug. 21.

"In order to run a lottery, I think you have to be so far above board. You have to demonstrate that there is no way something is happening behind the scenes."-Todd Northrop, CEO, Lottery Post

The Tennessean requested a database of tickets played throughout 2007, for the purpose of scrutinizing betting practices during the malfunction. The analysis was conducted by The Tennessean and two members of Vanderbilt University's Biostatistics Department, Rafe Donahue and Jeffrey Horner.

The analysis shows — within a week or so — a rise in the percentage of non-repeating numbers, such as 3-4-7, compared to repeating numbers such as 4-4-2.

Among the 5.6 million numbers played during the time when the computers weren't able to pick all numbers, roughly 190,000 more single numbers were played than would have been expected based on prior betting patterns.

More than 2 million numbers were played that had no chance of winning because of the glitch.

"Even without the lottery announcing there had been an issue, people were changing their strategy based upon what they saw," said Donahue, a research associate professor.

"It's very obvious that the people playing the games were detecting something was amiss," Donahue said. "At least they believed it was amiss, because they changed their betting habits."

Maybe, as Donahue said, players just figured it out over time.

Or maybe someone actually knew about the glitch and took advantage of it to buy more non-repeating number combinations while the odds were more favorable for those who knew.

Donahue said he discounts fraud based on the gradual rise in single numbers being played after the computer system took over Aug. 28.

"It wasn't like there was a spike that occurred right after they switched," he said.

"I generally don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence," he said. "I just think a bunch of administrative bureaucrats didn't really know what they were doing. But lottery players started adjusting their strategy. That's pretty obvious."

Hargrove disagreed the analysis showed any such trend. She said the increase in single numbers being played could have been the result of other factors, not any observation by players that only singles could win.

"The Cash 3 player and Cash 4 players tend to be very, very superstitious," Hargrove said. "They tend to play numbers for a whole wide variety of reasons."

A number of players did realize something was amiss, however.

They began contacting the lottery about the lack of duplicating numbers being drawn as early as a weekafter the computers took over picking the numbers. They said they received boilerplate replies with assurances that the computers had been checked and were running properly.

Others simply quit playing. A number of them told The Tennessean they stopped or cut back severely because they weren't winning anymore, didn't trust the system and didn't like the change to computers picking the numbers.

"I have definitely stopped buying them," said Bertha Pinkerton of Nashville. "The way they have got the drawing now, you just don't know what is coming out of there. When we had the balls, you could see them coming out. I felt safe, even though that could be rigged, too."

Reports due Monday

The lottery has hired an outside auditor, KPMG, to make sure the number-generating computers are working properly. But KPMG's $90,000 contract does not ask for a review of possible fraud.

The lottery board's internal auditor has considered fraud, at the request of the lottery board's audit chairman.

But after The Tennessean reported that fraud would not be investigated by KPMG, Sen. Bill Ketron, R-Murfreesboro, co-chairman of the legislature's lottery oversight committee, asked the state Comptroller's Office to do so.

Lottery and KPMG auditors are expected to report their results at a lottery board meeting Monday.

On Nov. 26, legislators will also discuss the issue.

Legislators fear the glitch incident will undermine player confidence and lead to lower sales. That would affect how much money the lottery raises for scholarships and other educational programs.

"Numerous people have come up and told me they are not buying them anymore," Ketron said.

Lottery sales did drop off in August, the analysis shows. However, sales figures for prior years show similar August dropoffs, and both the Cash 3 and Cash 4 games pulled in more money during and after the glitch than in either of the prior two years, lottery figures show.

"That's very encouraging," Ketron said.

If anything, news stories about the glitch improved sales, Hargrove said. She added that the $67.7 million returned to the state for the quarter ending Sept. 30 was almost 9 percent higher than in the same quarter a year ago.

Cash 3 and Cash 4 players caught on

Lottery odds and sales

Source: Tennessean

Bradly_60's avatar - disney37
Standard Member
Veteran
Atlantic Mine, Michigan
United States
Member #417
June 23, 2002
1493 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 9:53 am - IP Logged Top

When things like this happen we all throw our hands up in the air.  But if you really think about it, if you figured it out your odds were actually better at winning.  This seems to be the case if the players stopped playing those numbers.  In daily 3 that takes out 280 possible combinations out of 1000 which isn't bad.  The 50% payout ratio of the game still wouldn't allow you to make money buying all the tickets but definetly cut the odds down.  It is kind of funny.  All the mistakes in drawings lately seem to have been in the favor of the players. 

Brad

Standard Member
Rookie
C. C. Texas
United States
Member #17712
June 18, 2005
28 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 11:39 am - IP Logged Top

Texas Lottery 

8-8-07
Bobby,
Thank you.
Dawn
At 10:05 AM 8/8/2007 -0500, Heith, Robert wrote:

The answer to your original question is no, you would not receive a ticket containing three of the same numbers.
 
Robert E. (Bobby) Heith
Media Relations Director
512/344-5210
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Dawn Nettles [mailto:lottoreport@tx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:56 AM
To: Heith, Robert; Elrod, Robert; Vasquez, Leticia; Smith, Robyn
Cc: Tirloni, Robert; Anger, Michael; Sadberry, Anthony
Subject: RE: P3 Question

Bobby,

Thanks for your reply but you didn't answer my question. Let me re-word it - If a player tells a clerk he want a $5 P3 QP - Any Order - Could he get a "triple digit" number on his ticket?

It seems to me that your answer addressed "repeating" numbers - and the info was new to me - but still doesn't answer the specific question about triple digit numbers.

I know triple digits can only be bet exact - that's why I'm curious about them coming out on a QP with an "any" bet.

I think "ANY QP's" would exclude the 10 triple digit combinations if a player specifies "any" order on a QP. Is this right?

Dawn

At 09:12 AM 8/8/2007 -0500, Heith, Robert wrote:

Ms. Nettles,
 
The following is the response lottery staff received from GTECH addressing your Pick 3 question:
 
For Pick 3 we restrict repeating numbers for an ANY or EXACT/ANY bet. You can have 2 repeating numbers for these bet types (112,121,211) and so on but not 3 repeating numbers (111). That is because of the definition on an ANY wager and how much it wins. If someone is going to play 3 repeating numbers, the only way they can match is exactly.
 
If you have any further questions, please contact a staff member of the Media Relations Division at your convenience.
 
Robert E. (Bobby) Heith
Media Relations Director
512/344-5210
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Dawn Nettles [mailto:lottoreport@tx.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:48 PM
To: Elrod, Robert; Heith, Robert; Vasquez, Leticia; Smith, Robyn
Subject: P3 Question

8-7-07

Would one of you please tell me ... if I buy a Pick3 QP "ANY" order, would I ever get a ticket that contains three of the same numbers? ie ... 111, 222, 333, 444, 555 etc?

Thanks.

Dawn Nettles


/results.htm

From: Dawn Nettles <lottoreport@tx.rr.com>
To: "Heith, Robert" <Robert.Heith@lottery.state.tx.us>, "Elrod,
     Robert" <Robert.Elrod@lottery.state.tx.us>, "Vasquez,
     Leticia" <Leticia.Vasquez@lottery.state.tx.us>, "Smith,
     Robyn" <Robyn.Smith@lottery.state.tx.us>
Cc: "Tirloni, Robert" <Robert.Tirloni@lottery.state.tx.us>, "Anger,
     Michael" <Michael.Anger@lottery.state.tx.us>, "Sadberry,
     Anthony" <Anthony.Sadberry@lottery.state.tx.us>
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:22:34 -0500

JAP69's avatar - sparrow boy
Standard Member
Top 50 Poster
Elite
South Carolina
United States
Member #6
November 4, 2001
5641 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 11:41 am - IP Logged Top

I wonder if they pulled ticket history in the game since R N G started wether quick picks are hitting at a higher or lower ratio or wether pick your own is doing better or worse.

That would be a nice stat to see.

Exact order chaser  Mad

four4me's avatar - image php u 13432 dateline 1172610074
Platinum Member
Top 50 Poster
Guru
MD
United States
Member #1735
June 18, 2003
4798 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 11:57 am - IP Logged Top

Only experienced lottery players who track numbers and play accordingly would have picked up on this and a majority of all players might have started playing doubles thinking they would have to come out sooner or later.

There is no way of knowing without seeing the actual drawing betting statistics. And that information could have been doctored to show that many people didn't play doubles during that time. There is no way a lottery could convince me otherwise that people dropped doubles in favor of single digit numbers. Since everyone knows doubles pay more on a box more people probably play doubles counting on a win.

Hargrove can say whatever she wants she knows they made a error in judgment and didn't follow any protocols regarding testing of the product before implementing it. Moreover she should have know people favor ball drawings. She implemented computer drawings under pretences the general public weren't aware of, no one outside of the lottery organization were privileged to the changes being made for their drawings.

With the exception of a few sentences buried in a news release on their web site. Who else knew Tennessee was going to use computers to draw numbers. The mere fact that the people of tennessee weren't involved in the process is an outrage. Apparently Hargrove and here employees could care less what the people want.

As an experienced lottery director she should have taken the peoples point of view into consideration before switching drawing types. If anyone should be looking at anything they should be looking into why she did what she did. And review there charter processes to see if she broke any of the rules regarding changing lottery drawings.

Littleoldlady's avatar - basket
Platinum Member
Top 50 Poster
Elite
Clarksville
United States
Member #489
July 15, 2002
6013 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 12:29 pm - IP Logged Top

"As an experienced lottery director she should have taken the peoples point of view into consideration before switching drawing types. If anyone should be looking at anything they should be looking into why she did what she did. And review there charter processes to see if she broke any of the rules regarding changing lottery drawings."

I agree totally.  She should NOT have been able to change the types of draws without input from SOMEONE!  If she did make the judgement call without any input from any officials, she should lose her job..period.  The people who play Pick 3 and Pick 4 should have had a chance to give some input on this as it is a major decision.  They are the ones spending the money. As far as more sales on Pic 3 and Pick 4, how many of these sales are from their online games such as Hot Trax which runs every 5 minutes. 

Information=power=money


United States
Member #60
October 28, 2001
455 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 1:10 pm - IP Logged Top

I just have a couple of questions:

How do you go from an action where someone from the Tennesee Lottery selects a "U" for "Unique" or an "R" for repeat... To a "Glitch" in the program that results all these story changes?

The claim was the "U" or the "R" ...Somebody my have been preparing to steal lots of money from the players. 

Also, what are the changes that have been made that would be noticeable in the future as, it has more than been proven that you can attach electronic-magnectic stickers encoded, on the balls?

Lots of damage-control going on here...

lottoscorp-NY$

Bat

four4me's avatar - image php u 13432 dateline 1172610074
Platinum Member
Top 50 Poster
Guru
MD
United States
Member #1735
June 18, 2003
4798 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 2:15 pm - IP Logged Top

lottoscorp wrote: Also, what are the changes that have been made that would be noticeable in the future as, it has more than been proven that you can attach electronic-magnectic stickers encoded, on the balls?


when and where was this done.

the ping pong type lottery balls they use these days have the numerals silk screened on and have seven or more coats of hard lacquer on them. Any type of magnetic stickers would be easily seen and felt. Every lottery that uses balls goes through strict procedures checking these balls before a drawing. Every set of balls is weighed measured and calibrated for that particular drawing wouldn't you think it would be impossible to rig said drawing if that many people are involved who would take that risk and how could they benefit from it outside of doing jail time.

This thread is about Tennessee lottery switching drawings and not listening to it's players when they came forward with the fact that no doubles were drawn. It's not about conspiracy theory's concerning ball drawings. .

Platinum Member
Experienced
Columbia City, Indiana
United States
Member #3034
December 9, 2003
337 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 2:55 pm - IP Logged Top

   You're right, lottoscorp; they're doing some major damage control. I'm afraid most of it is geared toward the fraud issue, though. If fraud is discovered to be the cause behind the "glitch" in the Tennessee Lottery, the resulting reverberations would cast suspicion on all remaining RNG states, and the players in those states would begin demanding investigations of their own lotteries when their tickets missed by one digit.

   Whether or not they're run in an honest and forthright manner, state lotteries should be banned from using computers to draw their numbers. The potential for fraud is simply too great, and if someone can figure out how to compromise the code, the chances of being caught are very, very small. It's infinitely more likely that the offending party would simply be fired without a public comment, since going public with such a revelation would further compromise the integrity of the games. Players would think, "Well, if that guy could do it, what's to keep his replacement from pulling the same trick?"

   I think this would be the perfect opportunity to ask Senator Kyle to sponsor federal legislation to outlaw RNG's in ALL state lotteries.

Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

Jim

Todd's avatar - Cylon 2
Platinum Member
Lottery Post Administrator
Top 25 Poster
Chief Bottle Washer
Elite
New Jersey
United States
Member #1
May 31, 2000
14486 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 28, 2007, 3:26 pm - IP Logged Top

Jim,

Senator Kyle is a state Senator, so he can only affect change to the state of Tennessee.  It would be nice though...

Good luck!
–Todd

Sign the Megaplier Petition
Let all Mega Millions players multiply their prizes!