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NY brothers claim $5M win from '06 lottery ticket

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maringoman's avatar - kobold
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Posted: October 18, 2012, 7:58 am - IP Logged

What makes me cast doubts in their story was the fact that the country just went through, or is going through one of the worst recession, depending on who you ask, and these two brothers just hanged on to the winning ticket? Unhappy I don't trust their story

It's a futile effort.

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    Posted: October 18, 2012, 8:18 am - IP Logged

    The saying is traditional and an accepted culture on earth.

     

    Try and read the article, then read the comments and even long-time traditional enemies on this posts find themselves on common ground that the NY Lottery have failed players in the handling and proceesing of this 6 year old lottery prize by 2 sons of  a store owner who sold the winning ticket.

    If the brothers had the truth, they would have had no reasons to have proudly claimed this money 6 years ago, bank it or whatever and then wait till 2012 when they think, that they now know what to do with it to speak up.

    Their parents squalored in a run-down store in a dangerous ghetto for 6 years while $5m clear money sat around and went un-collected, and could have been used to free them, from the daily risks they faced to guns and robberies.

    There is no periodic table equivalent that sets the rocket scientist at the high end of smarts and sets the brothers at the bottom end

    The brothers have in effect concocted a tale and thrown it at people. A tale is a lie, and a lie is a statement issued by the liar that affirms that the listener lacks the intelligence to know any better.

    Believe what you want,but the N.Y. Lottery apparently believed them.After the brothers turned the ticket over to lottery for verification and the lottery performed all of their tests on the ticket it apparently passed the tests,the brothers were awarded the prize.'Nuff said!

    When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it. ~Clarence Darrow

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      Posted: October 18, 2012, 8:46 am - IP Logged

      You know, the believability of these two brothers is really dead on arrival.

      Their parents ran a run-dawn store in a ghetto, referred to politely, in the news report as a though neighborhood, and there was $5 million dollars to buy out their emancipation and salvation from the ghetto and still the brothers did nothing, and when they finally decided to do something, the priority was on splitting the money between the two brothers for supposedly, what the older one did for the younger one in life, a comments for the birds, naive. arrested, restricted and on-hold intelligences.

      If I lived in New York, I will begin immediately to develop an action plan that aims to challenge the Lottery to responsibility, and compel the Ashkars to confess, through administrative and legal routes.

      "If I lived in New York, I will begin immediately to develop an action plan that aims to challenge the Lottery to responsibility, and compel the Ashkars to confess, through administrative and legal routes."

      Ok, talk is super cheap. Especially behind a keyboard. So, you are saying that you are so indignant about this, that you would spend money and time, hire attorneys, and force the New York Lottery to make these guys confess to something that you really don't know, and you really don't know, because you only know what you and everyone else has read in an article. Sure.

      The New York Lottery spent several months investigating this ticket, and these people. Get over it. You are just jealous because you want to win.

      CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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        Posted: October 18, 2012, 8:51 am - IP Logged

        "If I lived in New York, I will begin immediately to develop an action plan that aims to challenge the Lottery to responsibility, and compel the Ashkars to confess, through administrative and legal routes."

        Ok, talk is super cheap. Especially behind a keyboard. So, you are saying that you are so indignant about this, that you would spend money and time, hire attorneys, and force the New York Lottery to make these guys confess to something that you really don't know, and you really don't know, because you only know what you and everyone else has read in an article. Sure.

        The New York Lottery spent several months investigating this ticket, and these people. Get over it. You are just jealous because you want to win.

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          Believe what you want,but the N.Y. Lottery apparently believed them.After the brothers turned the ticket over to lottery for verification and the lottery performed all of their tests on the ticket it apparently passed the tests,the brothers were awarded the prize.'Nuff said!

          I Agree!

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            Posted: October 18, 2012, 9:17 am - IP Logged

            Two brothers kept quiet for six years about the $5 million winning lottery ticket they'd bought at their parents' store in Syracuse.

            Andy N. Ashkar, 34, of Camillus, and his brother, Nayel N. Ashkar, 36, of Cicero, came forward March 1 of this year to claim the $5 million top prize in the $500,000,000 Extravaganza scratch-off game, lottery officials said.

            That was 11 days before the prize would've expired.

            "It's unusual, highly unusual," lottery spokeswoman Carolyn Hapeman said Tuesday of the six-year lapse on such a large prize.

            Andy Ashkar bought the ticket at his parents' Green Ale Market at 2208 E. Fayette St. in Syracuse, in 2006, the lottery said.

            Ashkar delayed redeeming it until March 1 of this year, at the lottery's customer service center in Schenectady. The prize would've expired March 12, Hapeman said.

            The reason for the delay, according to the lottery's news release: Ashkar was concerned that the winning ticket "could negatively influence his life if he did not plan properly before being publicly introduced."

            Ashkar said he did not want the winning ticket to influence his engagement and then marriage, according to the news release.

            "The younger brother also said that during that time, he decided to share his winnings with his brother, Nayel, to show his appreciation for all that Nayel had done for him during his life," the news release said.

            The lottery's announcement of the winning ticket was delayed for seven months partly because its security unit investigated for possible fraud, as it does whenever the winner is someone related to the owner of the store that sold the ticket, Hapeman said.

            "It's part of our routine procedure to put that on retailer hold, where our investigators contact the folks who presented the winning ticket, and also the people from the store," Hapeman said.

            After its investigation, which included taking sworn statements from the winners, the lottery determined the scratch-off ticket was bought legitimately, she said.

            Sara Ashkar, the wife of Nayel Ashkar, answered the door Tuesday at their home in Cicero. She said news of her family's winnings was spreading fast. Holding both her landline house phone and cell phone, she said family and friends had been calling all afternoon to express their surprise and excitement.

            "It's crazy," she said. "Hard to believe. It's still sinking in." She said she's known about the winning ticket for some time but didn't know the announcement would be Tuesday. Nayel Ashkar said he and his brother want to wait for the press conference to tell their story. He didn't know when the press conference would be.

            The Ashkars declined to comment further. Andy Ashkar could not be reached for comment.

            Andy Ashkar is the business manager at Romano Toyota in East Syracuse. Nayel Ashkar is finance manager at Honda of Ithaca.

            Nayel and Sara Ashkar paid $236,000 for their house in Cicero in March 2008, according to The Post-Standard's archives. Andy Ashkar paid $290,000 for his house in Camillus in August 2011, according to the archives.

            Lottery officials are aware of gimmicks that retailers have tried to use with scratch-off tickets, Hapeman said. One involves retailers or their associates checking the bar codes on the tickets to look for winners before scratching them off.

            That can still be done, "but not without us knowing about it," Hapeman said. Ohio lottery officials last month announced that undercover investigators had caught a dozen clerks and store owners using barcode scanning to steal winnings. They would scan customers' tickets, see that they were winners, then lie to the customers that they weren't. The clerks or owners would then claim the winnings for themselves or their friends.

            The New York Lottery regularly changes its security measures to detect fraud, Hapeman said. Lottery officials have uncovered cases of retailers who weren't entitled to the tickets they were claiming, and those people were denied the prize, she said.

            "There are as many things to look out for as there are retailers and human beings and all their frailties," Hapeman said. "We just have to make sure our security unit does due diligence. They're trained in ways to protect all of our lottery players."

            The lottery will launch an investigation any time it has information that a winning ticket went to the retailer himself, one of his employees, a relative or even a friend of his family, Hapeman said.

            "Just in fairness to everyone," she said.

            The Green Ale Market, where Andy Ashkar bought the winning ticket, is a rundown store in a tough neighborhood. It was closed and dark Tuesday afternoon. No hours or closed sign was posted. Several customers, including a young boy with a fistful of dollar bills, approached the store and were surprised to see it closed. A cooler with soft drinks and gallons of milk could be seen through the gated front door.

            A pile of leaves and a discarded scratch-off ticket sat in the corner of the market's locked entryway.

            The lottery had to rush the announcement about the Ashkars because of media inquiries, Hapeman said.

            She noted that with all prizes of $1 million or more, the office requires players to attend a news conference to discuss the prize claim and participate in a check presentation.

            But the lottery said it has not yet determined a date for the news conference. The brothers are willing to participate, Hapeman said. She didn't know where they kept the $5 million ticket for six years.

             " Ticket no good, i throw away for you! "

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              Posted: October 18, 2012, 9:45 am - IP Logged

               " Ticket no good, i throw away for you! "

              Thats the great thing about America...you are still entitled to your opinion,for now.

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                Posted: October 18, 2012, 12:46 pm - IP Logged

                This is something smelly. This should teach you do not asked the store clerk to check your ticket. Let me tell you how this more likely went down. Someone bought the ticket. Purchaser walked out not knowing s/he had just been screwed out of $5 million. Store owner pockets winning ticket and saves it for later to come forward. This happen all the time. They knew the dead line, and long after all video evidence was destroyed the store owner/clerk come forward with the winning ticket. They should not have paid the ticket because there was a chance of wrong doing.


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                  This is something smelly. This should teach you do not asked the store clerk to check your ticket. Let me tell you how this more likely went down. Someone bought the ticket. Purchaser walked out not knowing s/he had just been screwed out of $5 million. Store owner pockets winning ticket and saves it for later to come forward. This happen all the time. They knew the dead line, and long after all video evidence was destroyed the store owner/clerk come forward with the winning ticket. They should not have paid the ticket because there was a chance of wrong doing.

                  Welcome to LP tib52,

                  Im sure the store clerk feels that anyone who is too stupid to realize they won $5 million dollars doest deserve the winnings and therefore did a good deed by keeping the ticket......


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                     " Ticket no good, i throw away for you! "

                    LOL. Very well said magic 007No Pity!

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                      Posted: October 18, 2012, 10:54 pm - IP Logged

                       " Ticket no good, i throw away for you! "

                      Lmao, this is why I always take my losers home with me, I had clerks trying to keep my tickets before.

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                        Posted: October 18, 2012, 11:11 pm - IP Logged

                        What makes me cast doubts in their story was the fact that the country just went through, or is going through one of the worst recession, depending on who you ask, and these two brothers just hanged on to the winning ticket? Unhappy I don't trust their story

                        Good observation and Well Said.

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                          Posted: October 18, 2012, 11:25 pm - IP Logged

                          "If I lived in New York, I will begin immediately to develop an action plan that aims to challenge the Lottery to responsibility, and compel the Ashkars to confess, through administrative and legal routes."

                          Ok, talk is super cheap. Especially behind a keyboard. So, you are saying that you are so indignant about this, that you would spend money and time, hire attorneys, and force the New York Lottery to make these guys confess to something that you really don't know, and you really don't know, because you only know what you and everyone else has read in an article. Sure.

                          The New York Lottery spent several months investigating this ticket, and these people. Get over it. You are just jealous because you want to win.

                          I did not give you the Plan, and what I wrote, in no way, shape or manner whatsoever, supports everything that you wrote.

                          I shall therefore allow the uncontested restriction and continuity of your state, just as it is.

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                             " Ticket no good, i throw away for you! "

                            Your language is racist and constructive criticism of another human being, that is based on their national origin, and English as a second language to them.

                            It is against the law here in the USA, no matter how tempted you are, to express what you have written.

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                              Posted: October 18, 2012, 11:48 pm - IP Logged

                              LOL. Very well said magic 007No Pity!

                              Both you, Ronnie316 and magic 007  have shared in a racist act, to demean another human being on the basis of their national origin, and English as a second language to them.

                              Your espoused private values is against the true spirit of the universality of this forum, and NOT against bigotry.

                                 
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