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Proposal to ban welfare recipients from playing lottery

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Posted: January 29, 2013, 1:33 am - IP Logged

Good argument on both sides of the spectrum here, guys.  Sure, it is the so-called "government" money that we pay with our taxes.  However, the lottery can't physically destroy you.  Tobacco and alcohol physically destroy you.  The lottery can only mentally destroy you.  I can go through all of that with a lengthy post, but I'll have to save it for now.  But yeah, I can completely understand the argument as to why these people who rely on all sorts of government assistance shouldn't be allowed to spend money on the lottery.  We taxpayers pay for that.

Alls I'm saying is that NC will be completely screwed as far as the Education fund is concerned.  It's a totally backwards way of thinking.  I'm willing to bet that a good 90% of North Carolinians who play the lotto are on welfare and they all have that 1 in 176 million dream that almost all of America does - being wealthy.  The 10% that are on welfare and don't play, well, they have their own reasons of not playing.  And for the North Carolinians that aren't on welfare but do play, they either have the dream or just want some super cheap entertainment.  And the ones that aren't on welfare and don't play, well, they got it made already.  They got their cash the hard way.  The moral of the story is this - if they eliminate the 90% that are on welfare and do play, they will soon be joining the ones that aren't on welfare and don't play and the ones that are on welfare but don't play, leaving the ones that aren't on welfare but do play all alone, meaning they get that very small group of folks who are looking for some cheap entertainment and nobody else.

And the committees from South Carolina, Virginia, or Tennessee get North Carolina money, thus they become overjoyed.  And North Carolina's Education fund will soon dry up so fast that they may eliminate the lottery al together.  But of course, that's not going to help the children of North Carolina, the backbone of America.

So that's how I see it.  But hey, North Carolina, be happy that you have the privilege of playing the lottery for now.  Eight states, including mine (unfortunately) don't within the lines of their states, so we have to cross the lines of those that do.

And before I get flamed, no, I am not saying that 90% of North Carolina is poor.  I would think North Carolina is one of the richest states in the nation.  I just said that for the 100% of people within North Carolina's lines that are on welfare, 90% play and 10% don't.  Just wanted to clear that part up.

The lottery is NOT a tax on the poor.  By calling it a tax, you are calling it mandatory, which is what taxes are.  But the lottery is NOT mandatory, therefore calling it a tax highly inaccurate.


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    I would rather people on food stamps not be allowed to have children...that might bring down the number of people in NC on food stamps from 1.7 million down to 50,000 over the years.  If someone can't afford food how can the afford a kid?

     

    Allow them to buy the lottery tickets, if they win the money goes back into the food stamp program.


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      I'd rather people on food stamps to not be allowed to reproduce!!  If they can't afford food then they can't afford a kid.  Maybe that would bring the 1.7 million food stamp consumers in NC down to about 50,000 in a few years.

       

      let them buy the lotto tickets, if they win all the money goes into the food stamp program... problem solved.

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        Something very important is being overlooked here.

        Since the states enjoy a 50% edge in most lottery games, on average, 50% of the money spent by welfare recipients on lottery tickets will end up right back in public funds!

        What else could a person on welfare buy that benefits taxpayers so well?

        --Jimmy4164

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          Posted: January 29, 2013, 11:36 pm - IP Logged

          Whats sad about the story is that it can't stop these people from playing obviously, but it can stop them from collecting any winnings over $600. At christmas time many families put scratch tickets and powerball drawings in family members stockings and what not. Now if some poor sap actually hits one of these things but is on assistance, they themselves won't be able to cash it in for themselves.  If they get away with this, they will go after all the people over the age of 65 on social security and make them ineligible to cash in on lotteries.

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            Posted: January 29, 2013, 11:37 pm - IP Logged

            Something very important is being overlooked here.

            Since the states enjoy a 50% edge in most lottery games, on average, 50% of the money spent by welfare recipients on lottery tickets will end up right back in public funds!

            What else could a person on welfare buy that benefits taxpayers so well?

            --Jimmy4164

            Good post!

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              Why don't we have the balls to tell the government to stop spending money on unnecessary things like expensive hammers and screwdrivers etc. Why dont you people learn that there is power in the tongue . You will not be on the top all the time bad things happen to all of us . I'm not saying abuse the system but read your bible and you will see  not everyone is going to be on top.Remember if you hit bottom and  the one lottery ticket is what helps you.

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                Why don't we have the balls to tell the government to stop spending money on unnecessary things like expensive hammers and screwdrivers etc. Why dont you people learn that there is power in the tongue . You will not be on the top all the time bad things happen to all of us . I'm not saying abuse the system but read your bible and you will see  not everyone is going to be on top.Remember if you hit bottom and  the one lottery ticket is what helps you.

                Geez, JMBrown, these people ARE reading the bible, and/or all other "high-paying membership driven religion's" studyguides which encourage their "followers" to breed crazy/selfish/cruel/unsustainable people amounts.  The outcome is that poverty, unhappy/under-winning regular weekly gambling, unemployment, and underemployment continue to exist worldwide for 120+ years.  These BIG, expensive, distractions prevent adult people from doing anything against their government's unjust/extravagant endeavors!

                This "following" is the stem of these problems of not all governments getting women to take off their "tinted glasses" and instead understand to: embracing permanent birth control device implants, requiring all sexual partners to wear new condoms, refrain from engaging in sex frequently, and refrain from reproducing more than once during their lifetime (if death of child occurs, then self-committing to non-replacement or adoption only).  True, women should have imposed these obviously necessary measures at least 50 years ago; however our governments, media, community free women's clinics, and their families didn't help pay/encourage them to perform/control the obvious.

                Plus, when an adult chooses to end their life, for intelligent and/or financial reasons, there is no easy-month-before-community clinic appointment and pain-free pill easily available to due process after getting their revocable living trust w/will in order, etc.

                So easily overcome overpopulation, unemployment, and underemployment of people issues -- in all countries -- still abounds... chaos continues.

                Having millions of dollars in my financial accounts means more, consistent fun for me.Lovies

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                  Good post!

                  Thanks.

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                    I would rather people on food stamps not be allowed to have children...that might bring down the number of people in NC on food stamps from 1.7 million down to 50,000 over the years.  If someone can't afford food how can the afford a kid?

                     

                    Allow them to buy the lottery tickets, if they win the money goes back into the food stamp program.

                    Unfortunately it's too easy and dirt cheap to make a kid. Then the government gives you a fat tax deduction if you've got income, plus a gift of $1000 for each kid. That's one of the things that make it possible to  earn enough to get by and still not pay any income taxes.

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                      "If you have money to play th elottery then you don't need help from the rest of us to buy food or pay your rent."

                      You can substitute the words, cigarettes, alcohol, cases of pop, bags of potato chips, etc. and most will agree with you. However, the legislation isn't just about what people on welfare buy, but "the vendor selling the lottery ticket would be penalized if they knew the person was on welfare or in bankruptcy."

                      I've seen people pay for groceries using EBT cards that drive off in a newer model SUV and people paying cash drive off in beaters. The article doesn't say what the penalty will be, but to be on the safe side, many stores will stop selling lottery tickets. How can any clerk possibly know which of their lottery players are on welfare unless they use an EBT card?

                      Will all the people in bankruptcy get a Scarlett "B" tattooed on their forehead?

                      Do you have any problems with laws that penalize you if you knowingly buy stolen property? It's basically the same thing. The proposal had no requirement for clerks to try and find out if somebody is on welfare or in bankruptcy. It would only have been illegal if they know the person is on welfare or in bankruptcy.

                      IMHO, it would make more sense to simply prohibit selling lottery tickets to anybody using benefits to buy other items. Sure there may be a few people who are buying tickets (or cigartettes, alcohol, etc) for other people, but the vast majority of people are buying for themselves. Just because it's impossible to make such a ban completely effective doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

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                        Do you have any problems with laws that penalize you if you knowingly buy stolen property? It's basically the same thing. The proposal had no requirement for clerks to try and find out if somebody is on welfare or in bankruptcy. It would only have been illegal if they know the person is on welfare or in bankruptcy.

                        IMHO, it would make more sense to simply prohibit selling lottery tickets to anybody using benefits to buy other items. Sure there may be a few people who are buying tickets (or cigartettes, alcohol, etc) for other people, but the vast majority of people are buying for themselves. Just because it's impossible to make such a ban completely effective doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

                        "It would only have been illegal if they know the person is on welfare or in bankruptcy."

                        Your guess is as good as mine as to how many customers each clerk sees in a month so they might not remember if a person who paid for groceries using a EBT card last week was the same person buying lottery tickets with cash today. Some busy-body bystander who knows the person is on welfare might rat on the clerk that didn't really know if it was the same person.

                        Should they refuse to sell someone lottery tickets because another busy-body whispers to the clerk "I think he is in bankruptcy"?

                        "Just because it's impossible to make such a ban completely effective doesn't mean it's a bad idea."

                        The only difference between some clerks and the people on welfare is their low paying clerk's job. The whole idea of placing that extra burden on clerks was stupid in the first place and why that part of the bill was remove. If they don't want the people on welfare buying lottery tickets, the welfare department should police it.

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                          Something very important is being overlooked here.

                          Since the states enjoy a 50% edge in most lottery games, on average, 50% of the money spent by welfare recipients on lottery tickets will end up right back in public funds!

                          What else could a person on welfare buy that benefits taxpayers so well?

                          --Jimmy4164

                          And this too is being ignored...

                          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/cut-corporate-welfare-not_b_2421340.html 

                          "If your boat is sinking, do you blame the bird sitting on the railing or on the gallons of water spewing from a gaping hole in the floor?"

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                            I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!! really a game!!

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                              why is that?