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Proposal to ban welfare recipients from playing lottery

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Posted: January 27, 2013, 12:25 am - IP Logged

I read about this one yesterday.  This is a horrible, HORRIBLE idea for North Carolina.  I'm completely dumbfounded that people actually approve of this.  This will be bad for North Carolina for a multitude of reasons:

1. North Carolina welfare recipients will simply travel to South Carolina, Virginia, or Tennessee to play.  If they win in one of those places, there is nothing stopping those commissions to giving them the money they rightfully won.

2. Imagine the lawsuits that North Carolina would get if someone won the big one but their ticket is invalid because they're on welfare.

3. This is just downright discrimination.  In no way that those that don't have it as good shouldn't be barred from playing the lottery.  They have dreams just like 98% of America does - being rich.

4. South Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee will be completely ecstatic to see extra dollars coming their way.  Remember, part of the lottery proceeds is to fund education.  Money will be coming out of North Carolina's fund and into those three states' funds.

5. If someone wins in those states, the tax money goes to THEM and not North Carolina.  You lose, North Carolina.

I just hope the bill does not pass for North Carolina's sake.

1. North Carolina welfare recipients will simply travel to South Carolina, Virginia, or Tennessee to play.  If they win in one of those places, there is nothing stopping those commissions to giving them the money they rightfully won.I Agree!

3. This is just downright discrimination.  In no way that those that don't have it as good shouldn't be barred from playing the lottery.  They have dreams just like 98% of America does - being rich. I Agree!

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    Posted: January 27, 2013, 12:46 am - IP Logged

    I think that should this proposal become law, it is going all the way up to The Supreme Court. People on welfare that play lotto are trying to get off welfare.

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      Once anybody get a check or cash in they name no matter how they got it, its their money. If i work all week or get a ssi check, aint no way in hell it still the boss or the government money once its giving to me.

      I didn't say it was the government's money. The government doesn't have any money. Any money they get they have to take away from somebody first. It's the taxpayers money (mine and yours). 

      All I'm sayin' is if somebody asks me for money for food I'll give it to 'em. But if I then I see them buying lottery tickets with it, I'm gonna be pissed and I'm not going to give it to them anymore. It's all about respect. But in this case, the government just takes it away from me and you and gives it to whoever says they need it for food and there ain't no accounting for it and nothin' we can do about it.

      I believe in having a safety net for people who need help and I like to help out my fellow man and I do so with large charities and personally on a local basis too. But I don't like gettin' chumped. Somebody only gets to chump me one time and never again. But the government takes my money and gets chumped with it on a regular basis.

      Now if we're just talkin' a couple bucks here and there and the kids are well fed, it's no big deal. But if there's hungry kids at home, it is.

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        You assuming Ridge that these people are using money that they received " from the State" to play the game. That cannot be true in all cases. What if these folk decided to stand at street corners or outside a local store and panhandle a few extra bucks to play the lottery? One could hardly be suggesting that EVERY dollar in a welfare's pocket is from the State.Dreaming is Free- it is & can be done without State money. l have read of people wanting to buy alcohol with food stamps and some have gotten away with in the past, but not anymore and rightly so.

         There is no definitive way of knowing for certain whether the money these welfare recipients would be using is welfare crown.. no way, unless they using stamps to buy food and say " give me lottery tickets with the change".

        Good point, noise-gate.

        Noted.

        I got no problem with that at all.

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          Posted: January 27, 2013, 7:46 am - IP Logged

          Another proposal would remove the word "Education" from N.C. Education Lottery

          North Carolina lawmakers are drafting legislation that would ban people on welfare or those who are in bankruptcy from buying lottery tickets.

          Rep. Paul "Skip" Stam, R-Wake is helping draft the legislation. Stam told ABC11 the vendor selling the lottery ticket would be penalized if they knew the person was on welfare or in bankruptcy.

          That stipulation is not sitting well with some convenience store clerks that don't want to be left to enforce a new law.

          "I don't feel comfortable for somebody ask why or your financial things, so it's not my business," Peace Street Market's clerk Aref Peroz said.

          But Stam suggested that in obvious cases, such as when customers pay for groceries with food stamps, they shouldn't be allowed to buy lottery tickets at the same time.

          Another proposal would remove the word "Education" from the N.C. Education Lottery for advertising purposes. Stam said the word "education" shouldn't be used to sell "something that is essentially a scam," especially because lottery proceeds account for a small percentage of state education funding.

          Taking away the privilege of buying lottery tickets would affect more than 1.7 million North Carolinians who are currently on food stamps.

          "We're giving them welfare to help them live, and yet by selling them a ticket, we're taking away their money that is there to provide them the barest of necessities," Stam said.

          But North Carolina's NAACP president said new lottery laws will not help those on government assistance.

          "The NAACP, we didn't agree with the lottery to start with. Rather than Mr. Stam having a side argument, ask him to stop blocking labor rights for poor people and working people. Ask him to have a real conversation about real wage," Rev. William Barber said.

          Thanks to truesee for the tip.

          It be hard to enforce, a law like many, is a joke to pass, why not help people, than pass laws like this.

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            I just visited North Carolina and was astounded when the lottery kiosk asked for a North Carolina driver's license to purchase a scratch ticket.  Do they want to sell tickets or not?

            As for welfare recipients and bankruptcy litigants, winning the lottery could change their fate.  Also members of either class can get somone else to purchase the tickets or buy them from another venue.  They can also say if they won that the ticket was a gift.

            I understand what the propenents are trying to accomplish but it is not logical must be those inbreeding genes!

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              I think they should have a ban on all politicians from playing the lottery.  They are the ones that can't handle money.  Especially when it comes from someone else; like citizens that pay taxes.  I think the taxpayers ought to vote Mr. Rep. Paul "Skip" Stam out of office.  Take away his gravy train & let him do some honest work like everyone else.  He reminds me of reporters who confront people who have just loss a love one in accident & asked the stupid question - How do you feel ????  He's the type of person that has no concept of what is going on in the world.  I think "Skip" ought to do just that " Skip Town & Don't Look Back."  We have enough idiots in politics, and one less wouldn't hurt........................................  God, I love Sunday mornings....................

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                Posted: January 27, 2013, 8:38 am - IP Logged

                How does Rep Paul Stam vote?????

                July 10, 2010HB 748Campaign Financing RestrictionsConcurrence Vote Passed - House
                (57 - 47)
                Nay
                July 10, 2010HB 1829Renewable Energy IncentivesConference Report Adopted - House
                (84 - 19)
                Nay
                June 30, 2010SB 8972010-2011Operations and Capital Improvement BudgetConference Report Adopted - House
                (66 - 50)
                Nay
                June 29, 2010SB 1216Extending the Emergency Foreclosure ProgramBill Passed - House
                (89 - 26)
                Nay
                June 28, 2010HB 1726Child Care Nutrition and Activity StandardsBill Passed - House
                (67 - 46)
                Nay
                June 21, 2010HB 1973Keep North Carolina Competitive ActBill Passed - House
                (80 - 28)
                Nay
                June 4, 2010SB 8972010-2011Operations and Capital Improvement BudgetBill Passed - House
                (63 - 49)
                Nay
                May 26, 2010SB 704School Change ModelsBill Passed - House
                (70 - 43)
                Nay
                Aug. 10, 2009HB 148Local Transportation ReformsConcurrence Vote Passed - House
                (73 - 40)
                Nay

                Makes you want to think who he is looking out for!!!! Dah.

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                  Posted: January 27, 2013, 9:02 am - IP Logged

                  What I really would like to know is where he gets his information.  For instance, I could find out how many people are on welfare. But, I can't tell you how many of them play the Lottery.  I could find out how many people are in bankruptcy.  But, I can't tell you how many of them play the Lottery.  So, Mr Paul Stam - where do you get your information.   It seems you vote Nay for things that will be an improvement & are against the people who are down & out.  I think you got a problem with people who need help.  So get off your High Horse.

                  P.S.  If I lived in N.C. - you would not get my VOTE...........  Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    I think there is bigger waste of taxpayers money made and being spent by the pollies and public service.  how ever much  welfare is spent on lotto, it is dwarfed by the  amount misspent by GOV in jut 1 day,  than a whole years worth of welfare recipients.

                    stop harrassing the little guys, and go after the big spenders.

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                      Here is a scenario for you - I live in N.C..  I am on Welfare.  I am in Bankruptcy.  I have my brother/sister buy my Lotto Tickets for me.  If I win, my brother/sister (who are not on welfare or in bankruptcy) will cash the ticket.  We will split the prize as part of a gift to me.  Now what are you going to do, try to go after my borther/sister & try to prove they bought the ticket for me.  Good Luck on that one.  Or, I if I don't have a brother/sister that I can trust. I'll just buy my ticket in a neighboring State.  And if I did win, I would move to that State as I would have to pay their State Tax - Ta Da - Problem solved.

                      My question to you is:  What good is your Law?

                      Doesn't solve anything & is a waste of taxpayers' money.

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                        Posted: January 27, 2013, 10:15 am - IP Logged

                        Butch, you should call your politicians and say "HELLO"!

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                          I just visited North Carolina and was astounded when the lottery kiosk asked for a North Carolina driver's license to purchase a scratch ticket.  Do they want to sell tickets or not?

                          As for welfare recipients and bankruptcy litigants, winning the lottery could change their fate.  Also members of either class can get somone else to purchase the tickets or buy them from another venue.  They can also say if they won that the ticket was a gift.

                          I understand what the propenents are trying to accomplish but it is not logical must be those inbreeding genes!

                          Sounds like you got some inbreeding genes if you showed your DL just to get a lottery ticket

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                            I didn't say it was the government's money. The government doesn't have any money. Any money they get they have to take away from somebody first. It's the taxpayers money (mine and yours). 

                            All I'm sayin' is if somebody asks me for money for food I'll give it to 'em. But if I then I see them buying lottery tickets with it, I'm gonna be pissed and I'm not going to give it to them anymore. It's all about respect. But in this case, the government just takes it away from me and you and gives it to whoever says they need it for food and there ain't no accounting for it and nothin' we can do about it.

                            I believe in having a safety net for people who need help and I like to help out my fellow man and I do so with large charities and personally on a local basis too. But I don't like gettin' chumped. Somebody only gets to chump me one time and never again. But the government takes my money and gets chumped with it on a regular basis.

                            Now if we're just talkin' a couple bucks here and there and the kids are well fed, it's no big deal. But if there's hungry kids at home, it is.

                            ok, I can agree with you there, i say the same things about wine o's i see in front of the store asking for change,no way u gone tell me u hungry and need a lil change then go in the store to buy wine with my money when i dont even buy wine for myself. so i understand what you mean now

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                              I would tell them(and anyone else in office) that when they start allowing people on welfare that 1)-allow them to buy things like toilet paper and soap,besides food,And,It is no ones buisness how they got the money(heck,how do they know it was not given to them,also,if they won,GOOD.Then they could get off welfare,they win a $million + amount,they do NOT deserve to be on welfare anymore.Otherwise,bug off. This moron politition is just(and anyone that agrees with the jerk) jealous.