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Posted: October 29, 2008, 10:55 am - IP Logged

I was just reading the phimatrix golden section topics and I found them very interesting.  Here are just a few things to find on google which may help you on your quest to learn how to use phimatrix with the lotto.  (Sorry, I cannot post links or web pages as new users aren't allowed to do that straight away).  Just do a search on google.  Free phi calculators at thismanslife and ticalc, printfreegraphpaper for the cartesian method mentioned, and apart from phimatrix there is another similar (paid) trial program called Atrise Golden Section.  Good luck on your search trying to figure it out.  I haven't yet, am trying though I havent been successful yet though.

Good luck everyone

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    Posted: October 29, 2008, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

    I was just reading the phimatrix golden section topics and I found them very interesting.  Here are just a few things to find on google which may help you on your quest to learn how to use phimatrix with the lotto.  (Sorry, I cannot post links or web pages as new users aren't allowed to do that straight away).  Just do a search on google.  Free phi calculators at thismanslife and ticalc, printfreegraphpaper for the cartesian method mentioned, and apart from phimatrix there is another similar (paid) trial program called Atrise Golden Section.  Good luck on your search trying to figure it out.  I haven't yet, am trying though I havent been successful yet though.

    Good luck everyone

    There is considerably more LP talk of late about PHI again...its no mystery nor secret. For those who were interested in the PHI Ratio several years ago this month I gave an indepth post as to the function and use of the graph and transparency overlay with respect to number selection. I dumped the graph long ago and realized that we are really and only dealing with number swaps.

    Here are those PHI numbers that can be associated with the Lottery. It is intended to replace the 'graph' and transparency film that caused many good LP folks a major headache to reproduce. Removal of the graph motivated me to prepare my own 'PHI+1' works shown here. Simply follow the set of 'rules' at the bottom to apply it. Some will find it interesting, other will call it a ruse. Of course you may wish to prepare your numbers strictly using PHI by itself...do the comparison for a challange.

    01=1-2        11=7-8          21=13-14       31=20            41=26        

    02=2           12=8              22=14-15       32=20-21      42=26-27

    03=2-3        13=9             23=15             33=21           43=27-28

    04=3-4        14=9-10        24=15-16       34=22           44=28

    05=4           15=10            25=16            35=22-23      45=28-29

    06=4-5       16=10-11       26=17            36=23            46=29

    07=5          17=11-12       27=17-18       37=23-24       47=30

    08=5-6       18=12            28=18            38=24-25       48=30-31

    09=6-7       19=12-13      29=18-19       39=25            49=31

    10=7          20=13            30=19-20       40=25-26      50=31-32

    The gray numbers are divided by the PHI Ratio 1.618 and the result is added by '1' to get the RED number. These RED numbers are actually the drawn Lottery numbers from ANY given Lottery or 70 or 80 number Keno game. You can add the remainder of numbers for your game or use less if you play the UK 7/27 Daily...its up to you. As you can see I stopped at 50.

    The fly in this ointment occurs when a RED Lottery number drawn has no associative gray number within the Lottery game you intend to play, so look at that Lottery number in gray [49] instead and select the RED [31] number as the next Lottery number. You just did a swap. There are other deeper swaps to do that will sort of indicate a number to play...my attempts were best at 2 swaps into the numbers. Whole single numbers seemed to be worthwhile, for instance if Lottery number 25 was drawn, its PHI+1 =39. Simply play 39.

    This method is very nebulous in P3 and P4 leaving a slippery mess for you to negotiate twists and turns discovering the next 3 numbers, however, it works within reason-well enough to try it on higher number games like KENO, because the Ratios are shorter between the numbers selected. [as seen on a 3-D depth-graph but not here using straight 2D math translation]

    You can back-check or test, which I strongly suggest you do, to provide yourself with an analysis of the numbers to find out how to choose the 'correct PATH' for the next besets you intend to lay your cash towards. And that path also changes...be careful.

    All the best, this is definitely not secret info.

    yt

    dx123

     

     

     

     

     

     



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      Posted: November 2, 2008, 2:32 am - IP Logged

      There is considerably more LP talk of late about PHI again...its no mystery nor secret. For those who were interested in the PHI Ratio several years ago this month I gave an indepth post as to the function and use of the graph and transparency overlay with respect to number selection. I dumped the graph long ago and realized that we are really and only dealing with number swaps.

      Here are those PHI numbers that can be associated with the Lottery. It is intended to replace the 'graph' and transparency film that caused many good LP folks a major headache to reproduce. Removal of the graph motivated me to prepare my own 'PHI+1' works shown here. Simply follow the set of 'rules' at the bottom to apply it. Some will find it interesting, other will call it a ruse. Of course you may wish to prepare your numbers strictly using PHI by itself...do the comparison for a challange.

      01=1-2        11=7-8          21=13-14       31=20            41=26        

      02=2           12=8              22=14-15       32=20-21      42=26-27

      03=2-3        13=9             23=15             33=21           43=27-28

      04=3-4        14=9-10        24=15-16       34=22           44=28

      05=4           15=10            25=16            35=22-23      45=28-29

      06=4-5       16=10-11       26=17            36=23            46=29

      07=5          17=11-12       27=17-18       37=23-24       47=30

      08=5-6       18=12            28=18            38=24-25       48=30-31

      09=6-7       19=12-13      29=18-19       39=25            49=31

      10=7          20=13            30=19-20       40=25-26      50=31-32

      The gray numbers are divided by the PHI Ratio 1.618 and the result is added by '1' to get the RED number. These RED numbers are actually the drawn Lottery numbers from ANY given Lottery or 70 or 80 number Keno game. You can add the remainder of numbers for your game or use less if you play the UK 7/27 Daily...its up to you. As you can see I stopped at 50.

      The fly in this ointment occurs when a RED Lottery number drawn has no associative gray number within the Lottery game you intend to play, so look at that Lottery number in gray [49] instead and select the RED [31] number as the next Lottery number. You just did a swap. There are other deeper swaps to do that will sort of indicate a number to play...my attempts were best at 2 swaps into the numbers. Whole single numbers seemed to be worthwhile, for instance if Lottery number 25 was drawn, its PHI+1 =39. Simply play 39.

      This method is very nebulous in P3 and P4 leaving a slippery mess for you to negotiate twists and turns discovering the next 3 numbers, however, it works within reason-well enough to try it on higher number games like KENO, because the Ratios are shorter between the numbers selected. [as seen on a 3-D depth-graph but not here using straight 2D math translation]

      You can back-check or test, which I strongly suggest you do, to provide yourself with an analysis of the numbers to find out how to choose the 'correct PATH' for the next besets you intend to lay your cash towards. And that path also changes...be careful.

      All the best, this is definitely not secret info.

      yt

      dx123

       

       

       

       

       

       



      Nice the math is all done.

      Thanks.

      Secret to $uccess=Law of Attraction

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        would you mind finishing it off 51 thru 80 for keno. I would like to try it in keno. thanks

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          Hi I tried completing the list dx posted, but I can't work out how the red numbers were rounded off. I created a spreadsheet with the red column dividing the grey column by phi (1.618) and then adding 1.  The blue column is the grey just simply divided by phi. My calculations are rounded to 1 decimal place at this stage as I can't see how the rounding of the red numbers was done.

          Also dx, what is the significance of adding 1 to phi in your calculation?

          Thanks

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            newone>>>Your post

            I have no idea how the simple division of PHI>>>1.618<<<to a number can produce the results you have shown here.

            Example 1:

            11/1.618=6.79+1=7.79, which would lead to the numbers 7-8 as the final whole number round-off answer. As you can see 6.79 rounded off is 7. Then adding 1 to this result will bring 8, therefore 7-8 would be the red Lottery numbers.

            Example 2:

            For some numbers like 25/1.618=15.45...have the decimal result LESS than half, and when adding 1 to it produces 16.45, I used 16 as the final whole red Lottery number. Each high or low side of the decimal is taken care of in this process.

            One does not have to apply the addition of 1 in Example 1 above if not desired...I strongly suggested earlier to back-test the Lottery you wish to apply this method. But you will miss the 8 because the whole PHI+1 idea will be out of balance without the 1 to some of these resulting numbers, roughly about every second number set...but please check this yourself, as you know some ideas work for some lotteries and not others.

            >>>There are no mathimatical mysteries to my calculations. I trust this will help you out.

            >>>Another poster ask me to 'complete' the set to an 80 number Keno...I suggest to him to try it himself and post his results...I will check back to see his work progress.

            >>>Here is an example Lottery draw I took from the Ontario 49. Its a typical 6/49 Game we are all very familiar with.

            Date:09/22/2007>>02 20 25 31 32 38 B35. Now apply 'PHI+1' as posted.

            [LN] Lottery number 02 will produce 02. also read 01 03 if you wish

            LN 20 produces 31. also read 30 32 if you wish

            LN 25 produces 39. also read 38 40 if you wish

            LN 31 produces 49. also read 48 if you wish

            LN 32 produces 50-51...since this is a 49 Lottery game use the 'swap' method as I described...look at gray 32 and read red 20-21.

            LN 38 look in the same way...swapped is red 24-25.

            And Bonus LN 35 in the same way again and when swapped is red 22-23. This adds up to 17 Lottery numbers to play out.

            Well, the next draw result [2 per week] of Ontario 49 on 09/26/2007 were>>>02 05 07 17 44 46 B38.

            Anyone playing this method may have had LN 02 and B38 as winning Lottery numbers.

            As I said earlier, you can 'swap' to any depth by simply switching back and forth 'red and gray' to produce Lottery numbers. If you back-test any draw you will see what I mean. In the example above I swapped to 1 depth only.


            All the best to those who use this idea! Some Lottery results are better than others.

            yt

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              Hi I made an error in the above list, the calculations in my spreadsheet were 1.168 not 1.618 ( I must be going dyslexic!). I've redone the list with the correct 1.618 below, and I think I can see how dx123 has generated the list. For example, if the red number was 4.4, it would be rounded to 4 in dx's list, if it was 4.5-4.9, it would say 4-5 in the red column

              So in the list below, I'd say you can round your numbers in this way.

              Also dx123, if possible  can you please explain how you developed this rounding system, why you add 1 when dividing by phi and any links to where there has been talk on LP lately on phi like you said above.

              Thanks

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                Hi dx123, as I've just posted, I made an error in my sheet. Thankyou very much for your example above on the 6/49 game, it made it much clearer to understand this method in practice.

                "One does not have to apply the addition of 1 in Example 1 above if not desired...I strongly suggested earlier to back-test the Lottery you wish to apply this method. But you will miss the 8 because the whole PHI+1 idea will be out of balance without the 1 to some of these resulting numbers, roughly about every second number set...but please check this yourself, as you know some ideas work for some lotteries and not others." 

                What do you mean about "missing the 8 & the idea will be out of balance without 1" if you don't use the +1 in your calculations. Could you please give an example on this also?

                Thanks