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Wave pattern analysis and lottery draw histories

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Are any of you aware of any attempts to superimpose wave pattern analysis of any sort of lottery draw histories?  If so can you provide a link?

I'd be interested to know the methods used and whether comparisons were made to terrestrial wave patterns, earth magnetic or gravitational field patterns, Rossby wave patterns or any others.

In fact I'd be interested in reading any discussion of wave pattern analysis and lottery draw histories, other than bland statements preemptively declaring no relationship between wave patterns and lottery draws exists.

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    By wave patterns in lottery histories I'm referring partially to those similar to the one below.  It's a series of Pick 3 day and night draws, as I've explained previously on other threads:

    --11---1---xx2/7/2011
    -----111---xx2/7/2011
    --1-111----xx2/8/2011
    --1--11----xx2/8/2011
    ------11-2-xx2/9/2011
    ----2----1-xx2/9/2011
    --2--------xx2/10/2011
    --1-2------xx2/10/2011
    --1-1----2-xx2/11/2011
    ---1----2--xx2/11/2011
    --11-1---1-xx2/12/2011
    ---1---1-1-xx2/12/2011
    --1-----11-xx2/14/2011
    ---111-----xx2/14/2011
    -2-1----1--xx2/15/2011
    1--------2-xx2/15/2011
    -1-----1-1-xx2/16/2011
    ----1-1-1--xx2/16/2011
    -11------1-xx2/17/2011
    -1--1--1---xx2/17/2011
    -----1-111-xx2/18/2011
    --1-1---1--xx2/18/2011
    --1-21-----xx2/19/2011
    1--1-1-----xx2/19/2011
    ---11--2---xx2/21/2011
    1-----2----xx2/21/2011
    ----2-11---xx2/22/2011
    1--1-----1-xx2/22/2011
    ---111-----xx2/23/2011
    ------1--2-xx2/23/2011
    --11---1-1-xx2/24/2011
    -----1--11-xx2/24/2011
    --1-1-11---xx2/25/2011
    -1-----11--xx2/25/2011
    --21--1----xx2/26/2011
    -1--11-----xx2/26/2011
    -----21-1--xx2/28/2011
    1-----11---xx2/28/2011
    --12----1--xx3/1/2011
    ---21------xx3/1/2011
    --------12-xx3/2/2011
    ----1--11--xx3/2/2011
    -11----1---xx3/3/2011
    --11---1---xx3/3/2011
    --111----1-xx3/4/2011
    ----2-1----xx3/4/2011
    -2----1----xx3/5/2011
    1----1-1---xx3/5/2011
    ------1-2--xx3/7/2011
    1-1-----1--xx3/7/2011
    ---121-----xx3/8/2011
    -------21--xx3/8/2011
    -1--1---11-xx3/9/2011
    ----1--11--xx3/9/2011
    ----1---12-xx3/10/2011
    ---1-1--1--xx3/10/2011
    ----1------xx3/11/2011
    --2---1----xx3/11/2011
    --111-1----xx3/12/2011
    ----1--11--xx3/12/2011
    -2-----1-1-xx3/14/2011
    ---1-----2-xx3/14/2011
    -1------1--xx3/15/2011
    ---21------xx3/15/2011
    -1--1-11---xx3/16/2011
    ----2----1-xx3/16/2011
    ------21-1-xx3/17/2011
    -1---2-----xx3/17/2011
    ---2--2----xx3/18/2011
    1--1---1---xx3/18/2011
    -1--2----1-xx3/19/2011
    -------2-1-xx3/19/2011
    --2-----11-xx3/21/2011
    1---11-----xx3/21/2011
    --111----1-xx3/22/2011
    1-------11-xx3/22/2011
    ------11-2-xx3/23/2011
    ---1-1--1--xx3/23/2011
    ----1----3-xx3/24/2011
    -----3-----xx3/24/2011
    -1--1--1-1-xx3/25/2011
    11-----1---xx3/25/2011

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      pick four numbers only return on certain dates. take dc for example. any number which comes out will have come on the same

      day before or day after it has come in prior years in either dc or any state dc is adjacent to such as md, va, or wv.  many numbers

      return on the exact day time and time again. the  only exception is quads. when you start through todds database you will find

      that that is the case for each number. the problem is that the database only goes back to 2004 since it looses a year when the

      next year comes therefore you would have to have history to at least 1998 to do proper research.  dc was computerized in 1995

      and i have all paper records to the present day.  take a  look at ny which had 4999 three times on the 25th and one time on the

      14th. new jersey which is adjacent to new york also had 4999 on the 14th and both new york and new jersey when they had

      4999 on the 14th was a saturday. the rule of adjacent states holds true for deteriming  which numbers come out and on what

      date.  i have to give laverne maloney credit for guiding me in the right direction regarding dates and returning numbers. i just

      took her observations and went back years instead of months to make my discoveries.

      yesterday i posted a short series of due pairs in libra daves dc column prior to the numbers

      coming out. two pairs i posted were 06 and 12. the 06 pair came yesterday midday and the 12 pair came tonight.  there are daily

      patterns that repeat themselves each day in the lottery regarding due pairs and three digit strings.

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        Ha. When I first got here I asked the question: "Shouldn't we want MORE computerized lottery draws". The premise being that computers are "synthetic" and more likely to give observable patterns than a ball machine would. Your observations would seem to make this a valid statement.

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          pick four numbers only return on certain dates. take dc for example. any number which comes out will have come on the same

          day before or day after it has come in prior years in either dc or any state dc is adjacent to such as md, va, or wv.  many numbers

          return on the exact day time and time again. the  only exception is quads. when you start through todds database you will find

          that that is the case for each number. the problem is that the database only goes back to 2004 since it looses a year when the

          next year comes therefore you would have to have history to at least 1998 to do proper research.  dc was computerized in 1995

          and i have all paper records to the present day.  take a  look at ny which had 4999 three times on the 25th and one time on the

          14th. new jersey which is adjacent to new york also had 4999 on the 14th and both new york and new jersey when they had

          4999 on the 14th was a saturday. the rule of adjacent states holds true for deteriming  which numbers come out and on what

          date.  i have to give laverne maloney credit for guiding me in the right direction regarding dates and returning numbers. i just

          took her observations and went back years instead of months to make my discoveries.

          yesterday i posted a short series of due pairs in libra daves dc column prior to the numbers

          coming out. two pairs i posted were 06 and 12. the 06 pair came yesterday midday and the 12 pair came tonight.  there are daily

          patterns that repeat themselves each day in the lottery regarding due pairs and three digit strings.

          Thanks for the reply ZDOX.  I'll have to think about your post a while.

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            Ha. When I first got here I asked the question: "Shouldn't we want MORE computerized lottery draws". The premise being that computers are "synthetic" and more likely to give observable patterns than a ball machine would. Your observations would seem to make this a valid statement.

            Mayem:  If there's no similar pattern on ball machines you might be correct.  If you are interested you might have a look at the multi-state jackpot games in the same way as this, or pick a ball game versus a RNG game of any state you care to.  If the patterns persist but the sequence of dates changes you might be led to conclude it isn't a product of RNG programming.

            Thanks for the reply.

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              The QuickPick Relegionaires all know without having to examine what they know because they know it so thoroughly what is worth examining and what isn't.  But it's all a matter of degree.  These forums are full of people who want to win lotteries and believe they can win lotteries using systems, putting them into a segment of the population outside the widely held beliefs of science, math and the lottery administrations.

              But but having stepped over the fence and entered forbidden territory of what might be incorrect in the viewpoints of the academic community they also draw boundaries immediately concerning what isn't and agree among themselves as to where those boundaries lie.

              That pattern you see won't go away and change to the scatterchart it should be if you create it based on a ball drop game.  Your faith in what isn't won't motivate the patterns to go away.  Your faith will only allow you to avoid considering why and by what means they manage to be there.

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                  pick four numbers only return on certain dates. take dc for example. any number which comes out will have come on the same

                  day before or day after it has come in prior years in either dc or any state dc is adjacent to such as md, va, or wv.  many numbers

                  return on the exact day time and time again. the  only exception is quads. when you start through todds database you will find

                  that that is the case for each number. the problem is that the database only goes back to 2004 since it looses a year when the

                  next year comes therefore you would have to have history to at least 1998 to do proper research.  dc was computerized in 1995

                  and i have all paper records to the present day.  take a  look at ny which had 4999 three times on the 25th and one time on the

                  14th. new jersey which is adjacent to new york also had 4999 on the 14th and both new york and new jersey when they had

                  4999 on the 14th was a saturday. the rule of adjacent states holds true for deteriming  which numbers come out and on what

                  date.  i have to give laverne maloney credit for guiding me in the right direction regarding dates and returning numbers. i just

                  took her observations and went back years instead of months to make my discoveries.

                  yesterday i posted a short series of due pairs in libra daves dc column prior to the numbers

                  coming out. two pairs i posted were 06 and 12. the 06 pair came yesterday midday and the 12 pair came tonight.  there are daily

                  patterns that repeat themselves each day in the lottery regarding due pairs and three digit strings.

                  ZDOX11:  I went back and checked some of what you posted here and haven't found any discrepancies with it, though I haven't been thorough enough to call it a 'test'.

                  Where you and I differ is in your attributing it to RNG vs ball drops.

                  It seems to me you are approaching the issue using adjacent state rules, for instance, without examining a wide range of the [im]possibilities involved in what the adjacent state rule actually implies.

                  Thanks for the post.  I hadn't been aware such matters as 'adjacent state rules' were being discussed on some forums.  I had come across mention of 'large number rules'.

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                    ZDOX11:  I went back and checked some of what you posted here and haven't found any discrepancies with it, though I haven't been thorough enough to call it a 'test'.

                    Where you and I differ is in your attributing it to RNG vs ball drops.

                    It seems to me you are approaching the issue using adjacent state rules, for instance, without examining a wide range of the [im]possibilities involved in what the adjacent state rule actually implies.

                    Thanks for the post.  I hadn't been aware such matters as 'adjacent state rules' were being discussed on some forums.  I had come across mention of 'large number rules'.

                    Lottery administrations, lottery cops and those suspicious people who frequently express the opinion various lottery draws are being diddled with ought to be able to confirm their suspicions or ease their doubts just by looking at the draw histories.  If a draw, or series of draws breaks out of the historical pattern of the draws there should probably be alarm bells ringing somewhere.

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                      Clustering is awesome. It gives us a real chance at a strategy to make money. If things were evenly random making money would be even harder.

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                        Clustering is awesome. It gives us a real chance at a strategy to make money. If things were evenly random making money would be even harder.

                        It might.  But it might also depend on what's awesome about clustering.

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                          If you notice a pattern of clusters over time, say all high or all low then the next time you see it you can put money on it, hopefully before the clustering ends. If nothing ever clustered then it would be exponentially harder to guess what type of draw would come next.

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                            If you notice a pattern of clusters over time, say all high or all low then the next time you see it you can put money on it, hopefully before the clustering ends. If nothing ever clustered then it would be exponentially harder to guess what type of draw would come next.

                            Mayhem:  I just called up your prediction statistics to try to reconcile this post with the one on the other thread saying the prediction board's a waste of time.  I suppose you must have made some money buying tickets based on clusters as opposed to posting them on the prediction board.  Makes sense considering your view the prediction board's a waste of time.

                             

                            Good on you.

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                              Jimmy

                              Thanks for the link.  This thread may take on a life of it's own if we can ban togeather and take another look

                              at the inner workings of random within a closed system.   Clusters should not be associated with patterns

                              in the general sense but more like the DNA of randomness.  Everyone that has ever looked at the skips for

                              any number should have noticed that the highest hitting skip is (0) meaning the number hits more often in

                              the next drawing then any other value.  I have found very few exceptions to this rule as it seems to be a

                              product of randomness which ties in with the link provided by Jimmy.  Anyone that wants to improve there

                              understanding of the lottery should be very very interested in this.  Tracking skips has been used by many

                              to help predict a time frame for the next occurance for that number.  I track skips and clusters much the same

                              way but how I use this information may be very different.  Once one trains the brain to sort information in a

                              certain way it becomes a part of the natural process used by that person.  When this process is different from

                              the common understanding then the ability to effectively convey an idea is hindered.  First we must break this

                              data into strands of possible outcomes. I will use a (1) to indicate a hit and a (0) to indicate a skip.

                              (1) clusters first

                              010

                              0110

                              01110

                              011110

                              0111110

                              01111110

                              011111110

                              0111111110

                              01111111110

                              011111111110

                              now (0) clusters

                              101

                              1001

                              10001

                              100001

                              1000001

                              10000001

                              100000001

                              1000000001

                              10000000001

                              100000000001

                              The overall clusters can be much shorter or longer depending on the data that is being tracked and which value you

                              are looking for.  One needs to analyze both hits and misses because each contains usefull data. I use this same

                              logic for tracking everything I use be it a filter, digit, group, ect....

                               

                              Example tracking string   

                              000110000101001111001011000001000001000000001000100101101101011101111000001010010010001

                              From this data one can see that the value has not shown for the last three draws then it hit twice and then 

                              skipped 4 draws.  The left most value in this string indicates the current draw so reading the data from left to right

                              would be the decending order from latest to earliest.  This is not real data and is used for exmaple only. 

                               

                              This string has clusters of hits and misses and appears to show no consistant data that could be used to help 

                              predict the next value.  One can count the custers of (0's) that were greater than three of which there are  six.

                              From this a person might say that it is logical that a (0) would be a good choice for the next drawing.  One could

                              also say that in this string (1) has hit 33 and (0) showed 54 times and from this calculate an average hit rate

                              and percent.

                              average for (1) = 87/33 =2.63

                              average for (0) = 87/54 =1.61 

                              percent for (1) = 33+54=87,  33/87 = 38%

                              percent for (1) = 33+54=87,  54/87 = 62%.

                              One could then make the caluclations using a smaller sample using say 50% of the data and then make a choice

                              based on the performance comparing the results.  This however will lead to as many misses as it does hits.  I

                              don't say not to use this sort of data but you need to add in some of what makes random, random.  If clusters

                              repeated at a constant rate then random would not be random.  If the value that makes up the cluster remained

                              constant then random would not be random.  Knowing what the random element is can explain why and how it

                              turns what looked like a pattern into a liar at the exact time you choose to play it.   Counts, average hits, percents

                              are needed but adding a bit of randomness is also important.  To do this takes a little rewiring of the brain while

                              still maintaining a common sense approach.   When you study the data from some random event and find what 

                              looks like a pattern first you must consider the time between the events that make up the pattern.  If random 

                              repeated it's self on a regular bases then it would not be random.  In my many test I have found that random 

                              can produce two or more or the same values in succession and this gives the appearence of a pattern but it is more

                              a random process going through a sequence of possible outcomes so most of the time you see what looks like a pattern 

                              is nothing more then the wheels on a one arm bandit lining up.  If you know how many spaces are on the wheel

                              then this can help you calculate the odds for it happening in the next draw. We need to know this before we can

                              choose what to play, it's like putting random against random.  Breaking the data down to a 50/50 choice as I have done

                              above by converting it to a binary style string works very well with this logic.  There will always be mistakes in the choices

                              we make and I think that everyone expects this.  A very simple test that will help you understand this can be done by

                              looking at a hit/skip for your lotteries numbers.  You will find that the best time to play a number using hit rates is right

                              after it hit.  The problem is that you have 5 or 6 numbers that hit in the last draw and while all of them could repeat, my

                              guess is that they won't.  The second best time is one draw between and the third best is two days out and so on and

                              on until you reach the threshold value where this no longer applies.   The problem that most people face is which one

                              of the skip values should I play.  By looking at each of the possible values one at a time which gives you a yes or no choice

                              you can then analyze them based on the random element.  I have found that random works on a random cycle that can

                              be reduced to a series of smaller cycles,  Kind of like the pointers on a clock certain events are like the second hand

                              while others are like the minuet hand and some like the hour hand.  Second hand events happen most then minuets

                              then hours, days, months, years, ect.....

                               

                              I will try to add more to this as time permits   

                              RL