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Posted: April 24, 2011, 8:15 am - IP Logged

Does California Lottery actually have an ongoing 4 minute draw keno game?

The California website: http://www.calottery.com/Games/HotSpot/ gives it space on the homepage and details in a section devoted to how to play, etc, but nowhere on the site can I find anything telling players how they'd find out whether the numbers they bought won or lost.

Is this just a soon-to-be game in California, or is an ongoing game nobody plays, or people play but don't attempt to check whether they won?


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    I know that when I lived there about 5 years ago, they had a game that was similar to the p-3 but it involved horses, which of course was computerized and parimutuel. There were 12 horses to choose from, and no doubles or triples like the p-3. They had a draw every 5 minutes and they were available to play at any location pretty much. I played at the local liquor store or convenience store that sold lottery tickets, but there were other locations like bars where you could have a drink and bet while watching the draw live on a TV screen.

    I believe they had a Keno, but as far as checking the results of both games online, I doubt it exists because it would have to be updated every 5 minutes. Not saying it couldn't be automated, but the fact that the draw is every 4 or 5 minutes leads me to believe that the people playing are already there waiting for the results, so there would be no need to post it online. It's not like they buy a ticket and go home only to check their ticket/s 5 hours later having to search for the winner 100 draws ago...lol...It's more like going to an off track betting place for a few minutes or hours and going home after you're done.


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      I might add that I've never seen someone play just once and leave. It's very addictive because knowing the next draw is just a minute or two away makes the player want to spend 30 minutes or more trying to either win more money because of greed or trying to get his or her money back...lol

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        Does California Lottery actually have an ongoing 4 minute draw keno game?

        The California website: http://www.calottery.com/Games/HotSpot/ gives it space on the homepage and details in a section devoted to how to play, etc, but nowhere on the site can I find anything telling players how they'd find out whether the numbers they bought won or lost.

        Is this just a soon-to-be game in California, or is an ongoing game nobody plays, or people play but don't attempt to check whether they won?

        Yes, its there. I've seen a few people playing it watching the monitor at the store, but that is the one calottery game I have never played.

        I guess the fact that you have to stand around in the liquor store watching a monitor is not my idea of fun. And also a turnoff is the fact that there is no easy way to view past winning numbers or any kind or payout stats on the calottery website, unlike all the other games.

        And apparently a lot of people do play, I was surprised it was as high as 3.9% of all revenue. But it has been steadily declining each year. They just happen to be doing a promotion of higher payouts on Hot Spot for the next few weeks, probably to try and boost sagging sales, so maybe I will give it a spin.

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          A game where you have to trust a convenience store clerk to tell you if you've won or not is not one I would play.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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            A game where you have to trust a convenience store clerk to tell you if you've won or not is not one I would play.

            I agree with that. But luckily many stores here in CA have self-service ticket scanners that tell you exactly how much each ticket won. So you can scan first to see the amount before giving it to the clerk.

            But when I see these other stories of jackpot winners that say they went down to the store and gave it to the clerk and were surprised by how much they won....uh... for any game I play, I know EXACTLY how much I won before I even go down to the store to cash it in. I sometimes use the self-service scanners to double check though. For Hot Spot, pre-checking would be required.

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              I agree with that. But luckily many stores here in CA have self-service ticket scanners that tell you exactly how much each ticket won. So you can scan first to see the amount before giving it to the clerk.

              But when I see these other stories of jackpot winners that say they went down to the store and gave it to the clerk and were surprised by how much they won....uh... for any game I play, I know EXACTLY how much I won before I even go down to the store to cash it in. I sometimes use the self-service scanners to double check though. For Hot Spot, pre-checking would be required.

              Ah scanners, you're lucky. Our lottery director won't allow them in Tennessee.

              She says it makes her feel like we don't trust her and would be checking up on her to make sure she's being honest. She said she's not going to put up with that kind of disrespect from anybody and if we don't like it we can go play in Kentucky with the morons.

              She said she's tired of this crap with everybody complaining about corruption all the time. She said she did a thorough investigation of herself and didn't find a dam thing wrong so all of us stupid lottery players can go lay an egg for all she cares.

              Leastways that's what I heard from my neighbor, Mulehead Jenkins.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                Missouri has Keno every few minutes. The last time we were there we played one ticket.

                Play the ticker, stick it in the scanner, "Sorry, not a winner".

                I was thinking, "Sure, who's to know?" As far as I saw, there was no way to find oput the numbers draen for that play, only the scanner telling you if you won or not.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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                  I know that when I lived there about 5 years ago, they had a game that was similar to the p-3 but it involved horses, which of course was computerized and parimutuel. There were 12 horses to choose from, and no doubles or triples like the p-3. They had a draw every 5 minutes and they were available to play at any location pretty much. I played at the local liquor store or convenience store that sold lottery tickets, but there were other locations like bars where you could have a drink and bet while watching the draw live on a TV screen.

                  I believe they had a Keno, but as far as checking the results of both games online, I doubt it exists because it would have to be updated every 5 minutes. Not saying it couldn't be automated, but the fact that the draw is every 4 or 5 minutes leads me to believe that the people playing are already there waiting for the results, so there would be no need to post it online. It's not like they buy a ticket and go home only to check their ticket/s 5 hours later having to search for the winner 100 draws ago...lol...It's more like going to an off track betting place for a few minutes or hours and going home after you're done.

                  Seems California's been left behind in automation, maybe.  Oregon posts archives of 4 minute draw keno games backward beginning yesterday.  So do Washington, DC, Michigan, Kansas, Massachusetts, Georgia, Ohio, New York and Rhode Island.  Nebraska's otherwise strange Big Red quasi official ball drop keno games located at restaurants/bars in several cities even post the draw results for each city and keep them posted for a week following the draws.

                  http://www.bigredkeno.com/results.htm

                  http://www.dclottery.com/games/keno/pastdata.aspx

                  http://www.galottery.com/games/draw-games/keno

                  http://www.ohiolottery.com/Games/Keno.aspx

                  http://www.rilot.com/Keno_OnTheGo_mck.asp

                  http://www.kslottery.com/Keno/KenoHowToPlay.htm

                  http://www.masslottery.com/games/keno.html

                  http://milottery.state.mi.us/msl-ck-results.php

                  http://nylottery.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_jggBC3kDBPE0MLC0dnA09vT0fLQDNvA0dfU30_j_zcVP1I_ShzXKoCgw30I3NS0xOTK_ULst0cAYmfjdU!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklna21BL0lKakFBRXlBQkVSQ0pBISEvNEZHZ3NvMFZ2emE5SUFnIS83X1NQVEZUVkk0MTg4QUMwSUtJQTlRNkswUVMwL2xtYWZFNDA1MjAwMDE!/?PC_7_SPTFTVI4188AC0IKIA9Q6K0QS0_WCM_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/NYSL+Content+Library/NYSL+Internet+Site/Home/Daily+Games/QUICK+DRAW/

                  It's surprising anyone would play in a setting where the records of the draws aren't posted by the State Lottery Commission.

                  Missouri Lottery Commission evidently doesn't want anyone to be able to examine what they're doing by looking over past draws, but at least they provide players with a way they can allow the MO LC to tell them they didn't win by typing in the numbers they bought.

                  http://www.molottery.com/numbers/check_clubKeno_tickets.jsp

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                    Yes, its there. I've seen a few people playing it watching the monitor at the store, but that is the one calottery game I have never played.

                    I guess the fact that you have to stand around in the liquor store watching a monitor is not my idea of fun. And also a turnoff is the fact that there is no easy way to view past winning numbers or any kind or payout stats on the calottery website, unlike all the other games.

                    And apparently a lot of people do play, I was surprised it was as high as 3.9% of all revenue. But it has been steadily declining each year. They just happen to be doing a promotion of higher payouts on Hot Spot for the next few weeks, probably to try and boost sagging sales, so maybe I will give it a spin.

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                    I wonder if higher payouts mightn't only be a small piece of the problem of sagging sales.  Those 4 minute draw games have done well enough to keep them going in Nebraska, in Massachusetts since 1991, in Oregon since sometime in the 1990s, and enough to get them started in other states mentioned earlier.

                    Maybe it's just a matter of whether the LCs hire professionals to devise their games and how they're presented to the public, or they hire the out-of-work nephew of the lottery commissioner with a degree in Industrial Arts for that job.

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                      So the answer is the game exists and that Calfornia Lottery designed it to be played in liquor stores where people could hang around and watch a screen showing the draw results immediately after the draw.

                      And the sales are sagging.  What a surprise.

                      Sounds as though California has a lot of potential players if more people would hang around liquor stores.  Or the CA LC could give the game a twist to make it more readily available to a wider range of players as other states have done.

                      At least it doesn't sound as though CA LC is guilty of unscrupulous behavior.

                      Missouri Lottery Commission might be.

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                        I know that when I lived there about 5 years ago, they had a game that was similar to the p-3 but it involved horses, which of course was computerized and parimutuel. There were 12 horses to choose from, and no doubles or triples like the p-3. They had a draw every 5 minutes and they were available to play at any location pretty much. I played at the local liquor store or convenience store that sold lottery tickets, but there were other locations like bars where you could have a drink and bet while watching the draw live on a TV screen.

                        I believe they had a Keno, but as far as checking the results of both games online, I doubt it exists because it would have to be updated every 5 minutes. Not saying it couldn't be automated, but the fact that the draw is every 4 or 5 minutes leads me to believe that the people playing are already there waiting for the results, so there would be no need to post it online. It's not like they buy a ticket and go home only to check their ticket/s 5 hours later having to search for the winner 100 draws ago...lol...It's more like going to an off track betting place for a few minutes or hours and going home after you're done.

                        CA still has a Horse game called Daily Derby. http://www.calottery.com/Games/DailyDerby/HowtoPlay/

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                          CA still has a Horse game called Daily Derby. http://www.calottery.com/Games/DailyDerby/HowtoPlay/

                          Do players have a way of finding out whether they won?


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                            Do players have a way of finding out whether they won?

                            Now that Hosni reminded me of it, I believe the game I was writing about earlier was this game, Daily derby. You can check If you won any store that sells tickets.

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                              Now that Hosni reminded me of it, I believe the game I was writing about earlier was this game, Daily derby. You can check If you won any store that sells tickets.

                              The results are posted on their website, just as they ought to be.

                              http://www.calottery.com/Games/DailyDerby/WinningNumbers/

                              At least players don't have to hang around watching a screen in a liquor store to find out whether they won.