Waiting for Wealth

This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel.  When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

Study the chart! 

Googler and Media...This ones for you........I just went to Forbes rich list ....Took all the billionaires in the USA out of the top 300 + in the entire world:....Lets tax them more or better yet take it all.

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Total wealth.....   $1,000,000,000,000.2  .....That's 1 trillion dollars......... divided between every man woman and child in the USA(330 million roughly), that's about $3000.00 a piece.....How Long will that last  now we have divided their income equally ???  Sorry about the previous post saying they didnt ad up to a 3rd of our debt. I was completely wrong.... THEY don't add up to 1/10th  of the national debt !!!
 
  This is their NET WORTH:

Net Worth Calculated March 2012

Rank	Name	Net Worth	Age	Source	Country of Citizenship
2	Bill Gates	$61 B	56	Microsoft	United States
3	Warren Buffett	$44 B	81	Berkshire Hathaway	United States
6	Larry Ellison	$36 B	67	Oracle	United States
11	Christy Walton & family	$25.3 B	57	Wal-Mart	United States
12	Charles Koch	$25 B	76	diversified	United States
12	David Koch	$25 B	71	diversified	United States
14	Sheldon Adelson	$24.9 B	78	casinos	United States
16	Jim Walton	$23.7 B	64	Wal-Mart	United States
17	Alice Walton	$23.3 B	62	Wal-Mart	United States
18	S. Robson Walton	$23.1 B	68	Wal-Mart	United States
20	Michael Bloomberg	$22 B	70	Bloomberg LP	United States
22	George Soros	$20 B	81	hedge funds	United States
24	Sergey Brin	$18.7 B	38	Google	United States
24	Larry Page	$18.7 B	39	Google	United States
26	Jeff Bezos	$18.4 B	48	Amazon.com	United States
35	Mark Zuckerberg	$17.5 B	27	Facebook	United States
41	Michael Dell	$15.9 B	47	Dell	United States
44	Steve Ballmer	$15.7 B	56	Microsoft	United States
47	Phil Knight	$14.4 B	74	Nike	United States
48	Paul Allen	$14.2 B	59	Microsoft, investments	United States
50	Carl Icahn	$14 B	76	leveraged buyouts	United States
52	Forrest Mars Jr	$13.8 B	80	candy	United States
52	Jacqueline Mars	$13.8 B	72	candy	United States
52	John Mars	$13.8 B	75	candy	United States
61	Anne Cox Chambers	$12.5 B	92	media	United States
61	John Paulson	$12.5 B	56	hedge funds	United States
69	Donald Bren	$12 B	79	real estate	United States
69	Ronald Perelman	$12 B	69	leveraged buyouts	United States
72	Len Blavatnik	$11.9 B	54	diversified	United States
78	Harold Hamm	$11 B	66	oil & gas	United States
82	James Simons	$10.7 B	73	hedge funds	United States
84	Jack Taylor & family	$10.4 B	89	Enterprise Rent-A-Car	United States
85	Abigail Johnson	$10.3 B	50	Fidelity	United States
88	Ray Dalio	$10 B	62	hedge funds	United States
88	George Kaiser	$10 B	69	oil & gas, banking	United States
100	Laurene Powell Jobs & family	$9 B	48	Apple, Disney	United States
100	Harold Simmons	$9 B	80	investments	United States
106	Steve Cohen	$8.3 B	56	hedge funds	United States
106	Charles Ergen	$8.3 B	59	EchoStar	United States
106	Rupert Murdoch	$8.3 B	81	News Corp	United States
110	Richard Kinder	$8.2 B	67	pipelines	United States
122	Ralph Lauren	$7.5 B	72	Ralph Lauren	United States
125	James Goodnight	$7.3 B	69	SAS Institute	United States
127	Patrick Soon-Shiong	$7.2 B	60	pharmaceuticals	United States
131	Leonard Lauder	$7.1 B	79	Estee Lauder	United States
131	Samuel Newhouse Jr	$7.1 B	84	Conde Nast	United States
133	Philip Anschutz	$7 B	72	investments	United States
133	Andrew Beal	$7 B	59	banks, real estate	United States
138	Eric Schmidt	$6.9 B	56	Google	United States
141	Pierre Omidyar	$6.7 B	44	Ebay	United States
153	Charles Butt & family	$6.4 B	74	supermarkets	United States
153	Donald Newhouse	$6.4 B	82	Conde Nast	United States
157	Eli Broad	$6.3 B	78	investments	United States
157	Jim Kennedy	$6.3 B	64	media	United States
157	Blair Parry-Okeden	$6.3 B	61	media	United States
173	Edward Johnson III	$5.8 B	81	Fidelity	United States
184	David Geffen	$5.5 B	69	movies, music	United States
184	Stephen Schwarzman	$5.5 B	65	investments	United States
189	Thomas Peterffy	$5.4 B	67	discount brokerage	United States
189	Ira Rennert	$5.4 B	77	investments	United States
193	Jeffrey Hildebrand	$5.3 B	53	Oil	United States
199	John Malone	$5.1 B	71	cable television	United States
199	David Tepper	$5.1 B	54	hedge funds	United States
205	Richard DeVos	$5 B	86	Amway	United States
205	Ray Lee Hunt	$5 B	69	oil, real estate	United States
205	Richard LeFrak & family	$5 B	66	real estate	United States
205	Dennis Washington	$5 B	77	construction, mining	United States
216	Hank & Doug Meijer	$4.9 B	-	supermarkets	United States
216	Gordon Moore	$4.9 B	83	Intel	United States
216	Sam Zell	$4.9 B	70	real estate, private equity	United States
221	Robert Rowling	$4.8 B	58	investments	United States
223	Micky Arison	$4.7 B	62	Carnival Cruises	United States
232	Charles Johnson	$4.5 B	79	financial services	United States
232	Bruce Kovner	$4.5 B	67	hedge funds	United States
232	John Menard Jr	$4.5 B	72	Retail	United States
242	Rupert Johnson Jr	$4.4 B	70	Franklin Resources	United States
242	Sumner Redstone	$4.4 B	88	Viacom	United States
248	Leslie Wexner	$4.3 B	74	retail	United States
255	Bruce Halle	$4.2 B	81	Discount Tire	United States
255	Leonard Stern	$4.2 B	73	real estate	United States
255	Daniel Ziff	$4.2 B	40	investments	United States
255	Dirk Ziff	$4.2 B	47	investments	United States
255	Robert Ziff	$4.2 B	45	investments	United States
270	Dannine Avara	$4.1 B	48	pipelines	United States
270	Scott Duncan	$4.1 B	29	Pipelines	United States
270	Milane Frantz	$4.1 B	42	Pipelines	United States
270	Randa Williams	$4.1 B	50	Pipelines	United States
276	Jin Sook & Do Won Chang	$4 B	57	retail	United States
276	John Paul DeJoria	$4 B	68	hair products, tequila	United States
276	David Green	$4 B	70	Hobby Lobby	United States
276	William Koch	$4 B	71	oil, investments	United States
276	Henry Kravis	$4 B	68	leveraged buyouts	United States
276	Roger Wang	$4 B	63	retail	United States
288	Ann Walton Kroenke	$3.9 B	63	Wal-Mart	United States
296	Victor Fung & family	$3.7 B	66	sourcing	United States
296	Mitchell Rales	$3.7 B	55	manufacturing	United States
296	John Sall	$3.7 B	63	SAS Institute	United States
304	Robert Bass	$3.6 B	64	oil, investments	United States
304	Trevor Rees-Jones	$3.6 B	60	Oil & Gas	United States
304	George Roberts	$3.6 B	68	leveraged buyouts	United States

This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel.  When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

Study the chart! 

Your busted, I went through all your posts and most of your answers are short and without much thought, what do I see, 2 very distinct styles of speaking, so theres either 2 of you or your quite simply repeating some liberal pundit.

 Your not here to play and win the lottery, your pushing an agenda, this thread is nothing more than spam.

The title of your thread, which by the way is a loaded question.

" SHOULD YOU VOTE FOR AND SUPPORT POLICIES THAT BENEFIT ONLY THE RICH AS YOU WAIT TO WIN THE LOTTERY.

I voted no, because no one should sit around WAITING to win the lottery, pipe dream.

We don't vote for policies, we vote for people to represent us, what your doing is hoping you'll prey on the ignorant.

Your preying on the have nots hoping you'll sway them to your political agenda.

You started this thread I'll finish it, the fact that your becoming increasing beligerent tells me you feel threatened, you didn't get the support you thought you would, your chart is garbage.

Why is your chart garbage, because your not factoring in inflation, an inflation that is being directly caused by the government .

 People, the government is keeping gasoline high, they are refusing to let us drill and use our own, keeping the price high.

The same goes with electricty and natural gas, It's the federal taxes , that are keeping the prices up, They want us to feel good about using a higher costing solar power, what they are doing to us is unforgivable.

Now because of this inflation, it cost more for goods and services, so even if you get a raise, it's not enough to keep up with inflation.

It's not about the wage you earn, it's about the cost of everyday things.

Now I don't know about you goog, but, my husband and I have both received pay raises. If you didn't maybe it's because of poor performance or poor attendance.

Another thing the good ol government has been doing , and for many years shouldn't have been doing, is allowing the Federal reserve bank ( don't let the name fool you, this is a privately owned bank and the men who run it are the richest in the world.), They have  mandated monetary policy, and it's hurting us, Believe it or not, thats the job of congress, they aren't doing their job.

Every time the federal reserve prints money they can't back then loans it to the US government at a high interest rate, our dollar is worth less.

So what goog, here is doing is a backhanded way of class warfare, he/she is nothing more than a predator who wants you to vote for people with a socialist agenda. Wants you to blame the rich for your problems, Blame the government for keeping the cost of living so high.

I didn't just clean your clock, I b*TCH SLAPPED YOUR SILLY A** ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Media.....my above scenario was just being facetious but there are people like that. Don't think so ???? Go to YOUTUBE look at the lady over in Tampa that had 7-10 kids that expected someone else to take care of them.There are 2-3 NEWS clips on there about her....
      Lets take a reasonable look at this shall we ???.....Lets say you are 55, worked hard all your life, worked your way up the corporate ladder. Made some savvy choices,had sound financial advice, the whole 9 yards.... You now have amassed $10 million in investments and stocks that earn 5%  which equals 500K a year. I don't spend that much(maybe 100-125K of the 500) because I don't need it, so the next year I roll the extra 375-400 K back over into my portfolio. I do the same for the next 3 years and now I am up to 11 + million and my interest is still chugging along  and each year the payout gets a little bigger and a little bigger and so on as the years keep truck by.........Now, lets say I am the same age and I only do average in my career field, still working,still paying off a mortgage, but making good wages,maybe $85-100K a year...Like you I have saved and invested but only have $700K in my investment portfolio. The 700K makes a nice little return but not quite 5%. As we all know, the more you invest the bigger the return. So lets say you get back 3.5% which equals roughly $25K a year. I sure will need all that to survive on........Every single year we both paid our taxes as the tax code required.
   Heres the point...OF COURSE you are going to have more because you have earned it.....theres always going to be more on your plate............I will ask you the same question that I asked Googler earler in the topic(to which he failed to reply)......
How Much Money Should the Rich Be Allowed to Keep ???? What percentage should they should their tax level be ? 50, 60, 80 % ???.......Please, PLEASE show me how we can spend our way out of debt by more borrowing. I can't can you ???.
Let's take it one step further...lets gut their entire wealth, every single dime they own, take every millionaire and take it all to give back to Uncle Sam shall we ??....Do you realize that won't pay a 3rd the current national debt we have  ??  Our problem is not a tax issue its a SPEND issue...spend more than we take in, give more away, keep giving and giving and borrowing & borrowing......16 trillion and climbing is the problem....Doesn't make a difference whether its liberal or conservative....Obama has just hit the nitrous button on that issue......We are now spending 40 cents on every dollar just in interest....That my fellow LP poster is what is preposterous.

"Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions."

This already happens in most civilized countries.

As for the rest of your comment: preposterous.  I don't think that's what Googler is saying at all.  Maybe I'm misreading his posts (and if I am, Googler, please correct me), but I doubt he's advocating anything quite as severe as Soviet-style socialism/Communism.  It seems to me he's merely pointing out the vast and growing difference between the rich and everyone else in this country.  I'm not sure what he intends to do about that, but the Buffett Rule seems like a good start.  You do realize that the rich are being taxed at the lowest rates ever?  And you folks want to tax them even less?  Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it.

The story goes that the famed outlaw Jesse James was once asked why he robbed banks.  His answer:  "Because that's where the money is."

Oh here we go again.  Yes Reagan did do that.  Which is one of the biggest criticisms I have of him.  You are so full of sh*t that you just call the truth lies, and I have no interest in repeating something I already said.  It's like saying "If a Republican President decides to use the military, and it was authorized, they lied to congress.  If a Democrat did it without even being authorized, then the people criticizing him are lieing"

The whole basis of your arguement is that the truth is lies, unless a Democrat lies.

Read the Constitution.  It doesn't matter if McCain urged Obama to assist Libya.  He should have then put it up for vote.  But he didn't, and Obama waited until Congress was it Recess until he UNILATERALLY AND ILLEGALLY commited the air force to the effort.  A member of the house threatened to start impeachment trials on him if he ever did that again.

Tell me, because I was against the Iraq War, what lies did Bush tell Congress?  Keep in mind that Hussein put out false intelegence to make the US, Iranians and Israelites think he had a nuclear bomb.  He wanted us to think he did, because he thought we'd leave him alone if he had them.

Excellamundo, CD! 

Ridge, I don't have a problem with anyone stating their opinion on here...After all,,, its a discussion....But the ones who can't back up their opinions with verifiable facts need to really come into the 21st century about being credible.........We aren't talking about whether you like the taste of  a meal or chocolate cake.  The topic I thought was about what is best for the country, or "Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?"...........
        I truly am amazed at some of the people thinking that the USA should have more government control and disguise it as "paying more than your fair share" or  "redistributive wealth"  That is not what our founding fathers ideas for this country was built upon nor was it what they fought for some 235-240 years ago. People thinking the government does a better job at making things better like running a business ought to take a look at the Post Office or Amtrak.
Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said,"

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. "

CDanaT - We aren't talking about whether you like the taste of  a meal or chocolate cake.  The topic I thought was about what is best for the country, or "Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?"........... 

rdgrnr- But this thread never was about opinion, that was all a ruse.  This thread was leftwing loon propaganda from the very first post.

 sully16 -  Here's what the title should have read  I hope you vote for the people who will force you to support me because it will be just like winning the lottery 

Sounds like y'all have wrapped it up pretty well! 

He should have just started a blog, I really do like chocolate ice cream, LOL