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Quote: Originally posted by coolac5 on May 16, 2014
Diamond Millionaire roll I mentioned earlier:
so #49 was a TICKET number match
#47 was a 0.
#44 was a $100 hit via 100 spot match.
Someone else bought #48; #46 & #45 I suspect were bought at the same time. I question, is the roll tapped out? It is going backwards. Curious to see what #43 gets.
I have gotten 2 $100 prizes on a single roll before. There is no way to specifically tell, but in most cases, after a $100 winner, it follows a streak of losers and small wins.
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I made a request to CAlottery for public records regarding prize winning tickets of 500 or greater. I also asked if they could provide winning ticket numbers & the pack numbers.
I received a reply today. They included the ticket id # (the big # on the back of the ticket). The ticket # is part of the ticket id #. However, they said they could not generate a report that included the pack #.
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Quote: Originally posted by green sandals on May 16, 2014
I made a request to CAlottery for public records regarding prize winning tickets of 500 or greater. I also asked if they could provide winning ticket numbers & the pack numbers.
I received a reply today. They included the ticket id # (the big # on the back of the ticket). The ticket # is part of the ticket id #. However, they said they could not generate a report that included the pack #.
Dug a little deeper & found the pack # is part of the ticket id as well. Crunched the numbers & found that for 5MJP, the even GP distribution theory is not valid.
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Quote: Originally posted by green sandals on May 16, 2014
Dug a little deeper & found the pack # is part of the ticket id as well. Crunched the numbers & found that for 5MJP, the even GP distribution theory is not valid.
Cool, thanks for asking for the data and reporting back.
Also, nice to know the CA Lottery does provide pack #'s as part of the request. I doubt the pack #'s we see on tickets are sequential within and across batches, so I don't think we can determine even (or uneven) top prize distribution from pack #'s. It's likely they have a cross-reference key and internal control numbers that are sequential and divided into equal batches which, of course, would be highly confidential information. Otherwise, it would be too easy for folks to make public records requests after each top prize win is updated on their top prize remaining page and determine which pack # ranges to avoid.
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Well I'm new around here so please forgive me for asking perhaps a dumb but obvious question - I'm guessing no one in LA/OC wants to share where they've seen Diamond M's, but is there a way at least to know what places load up on and sell more variety than others? I've stopped at many many places and can't find a one...(Perhaps the State supplies that type of info...? Or is it just always hit or miss when it comes to these type of end of game scratchers?) Thanks and good luck!
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Quote: Originally posted by green sandals on May 16, 2014
Dug a little deeper & found the pack # is part of the ticket id as well. Crunched the numbers & found that for 5MJP, the even GP distribution theory is not valid.
What were the pack numbers of the top prize winning tickets that you looked at?
I've looked at some data before, and they did appear to fall within expected batch boundaries. But that may have just been a coincidence. As mrcraft said, they could very easily do some other ordering for batch distribution, instead of numerical by pack number.(different number, physical ordering, etc.) But there is obviously some kind of deliberate spacing of top prizes to prevent them from all coming out too early.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jon D on May 18, 2014
What were the pack numbers of the top prize winning tickets that you looked at?
I've looked at some data before, and they did appear to fall within expected batch boundaries. But that may have just been a coincidence. As mrcraft said, they could very easily do some other ordering for batch distribution, instead of numerical by pack number.(different number, physical ordering, etc.) But there is obviously some kind of deliberate spacing of top prizes to prevent them from all coming out too early.
First I'll start with my math for 5MJP & then I'll list the 5 GP Ws dates, pack & ticket numbers included in the report.
Report is from 11/01/13 - 5/09/14
2,400,000 to 1 odds w 14 GPs gives 33,600,000 tkts printed & at 30 a pack, 1,112,000 packs printed. Divide by 14 & with an even
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Quote: Originally posted by green sandals on May 18, 2014
First I'll start with my math for 5MJP & then I'll list the 5 GP Ws dates, pack & ticket numbers included in the report.
Report is from 11/01/13 - 5/09/14
2,400,000 to 1 odds w 14 GPs gives 33,600,000 tkts printed & at 30 a pack, 1,112,000 packs printed. Divide by 14 & with an even
distribution you get one GP every 80,000 packs.
GPs
1/09/14 1313339-28
1/15/14 1376870-23
1/29/14 1956067-7
3/03/14 1426838-7
5/02/14 1687331-4
Thanks for the data.
Yep, so far all the top prizes fall within "batch" boundaries. Your data shows $5MJP TP has been found in batch 4,5,6,9,12. The distribution is out of order, but that is not uncomon.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jon D on May 18, 2014
Thanks for the data.
Yep, so far all the top prizes fall within "batch" boundaries. Your data shows $5MJP TP has been found in batch 4,5,6,9,12. The distribution is out of order, but that is not uncomon.
batch
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
pack low
1000000
1080001
1160002
1240003
1320004
1400005
1480006
1560007
1640008
1720009
1800010
1880011
1960012
2040013
TP pack
_
_
_
1313339
1376870
1426838
_
_
1687331
_
_
1956067
_
_
pack high
1080000
1160001
1240002
1320003
1400004
1480005
1560006
1640007
1720008
1800009
1880010
1960011
2040012
2120013
Thanks for correcting me Jon .
I was looking at the difference between the winning pack numbers & not the upper & lower range of the batch numbers.
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Quote: Originally posted by scratchmart on May 18, 2014
Well I'm new around here so please forgive me for asking perhaps a dumb but obvious question - I'm guessing no one in LA/OC wants to share where they've seen Diamond M's, but is there a way at least to know what places load up on and sell more variety than others? I've stopped at many many places and can't find a one...(Perhaps the State supplies that type of info...? Or is it just always hit or miss when it comes to these type of end of game scratchers?) Thanks and good luck!
I'd tell you if I knew. I haven't seen DM recently at places I visit even at high volume stores.
It would be nice if the CA Lottery made that information available through their website. For each Scratcher game, give us the ability to enter zip codes, and for them to generate a list of stores nearby that activated pack(s) within the past x number of days, so we have a reasonable chance of finding that game without much effort, especially for games that are ending or are not very popular.
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Quote: Originally posted by mrcraft on May 18, 2014
I'd tell you if I knew. I haven't seen DM recently at places I visit even at high volume stores.
It would be nice if the CA Lottery made that information available through their website. For each Scratcher game, give us the ability to enter zip codes, and for them to generate a list of stores nearby that activated pack(s) within the past x number of days, so we have a reasonable chance of finding that game without much effort, especially for games that are ending or are not very popular.
I agree...and its easy for CA lottery to do that. I am a software engineer myself and this can be implemented with the right folks in 3 weeks.
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Quote: Originally posted by mrcraft on May 18, 2014
I'd tell you if I knew. I haven't seen DM recently at places I visit even at high volume stores.
It would be nice if the CA Lottery made that information available through their website. For each Scratcher game, give us the ability to enter zip codes, and for them to generate a list of stores nearby that activated pack(s) within the past x number of days, so we have a reasonable chance of finding that game without much effort, especially for games that are ending or are not very popular.
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Quote: Originally posted by mrcraft on May 18, 2014
I'd tell you if I knew. I haven't seen DM recently at places I visit even at high volume stores.
It would be nice if the CA Lottery made that information available through their website. For each Scratcher game, give us the ability to enter zip codes, and for them to generate a list of stores nearby that activated pack(s) within the past x number of days, so we have a reasonable chance of finding that game without much effort, especially for games that are ending or are not very popular.
Appreciate that - Yeah, that's what I was thinking too - I mean, what's the down side for the state? It would encourage sales for certain games anyway...
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Thanks for being able to contact the CALottery and obtain the information. I heard the lottery was public information for the longest time, but did not know to what extent. Two more GP have been claimed since that date, but it is interesting to know it does not get distributed sequentially. So it is about just going out and buying tickets.
I think when I played a bunch during its debut, most of my ticket IDs fell in batch 1, 2, or 3. leads me to assume the GP winners are sitting at places in which does not sell a whole lot of ticket