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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 16, 2017
I'm just pointing out the fact that you have no clue what you're saying.
"NM smaller population bets heavy regardless."
Which part of West Virginia, Delaware and the District of Columbia all have smaller populations than New Mexico is confusing you?
West Virginia sold more than twice as many pick-3 tickets than your "betting heavy" New Mexico players. FYI, your state ranks 47 in per capita lottery sales. The only negativity here is being posted by you when LP members point out when you distort the facts.
Seriously, if you don't want to be corrected, post in the Mystical Forum.
I'm sure many members will agree with me that you are the king of whining and bs. Get a life.
And I never saw a single system of yours. Do you have anything probably not? Of course it takes some brain power and a willingness to help someone. No one in NM cares about your juvenile attitude or negativity. I know for a fact that I never saw any posts from you that amounted to anything worthwhile. Your attitude doesn't help anyone. Think about that before you post.
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Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Apr 16, 2017
I'm sure many members will agree with me that you are the king of whining and bs. Get a life.
And I never saw a single system of yours. Do you have anything probably not? Of course it takes some brain power and a willingness to help someone. No one in NM cares about your juvenile attitude or negativity. I know for a fact that I never saw any posts from you that amounted to anything worthwhile. Your attitude doesn't help anyone. Think about that before you post.
"I'm sure many members will agree with me that you are the king of whining and bs"
Again, how am I whining when it's you that is posting ignorance?
And your opinion of what you and other members think of me is as useless as telling posters to "find a system that works".
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Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Apr 16, 2017
I've been playing for years so listening to a select few of negative people only makes me laugh. This is why many great posters have left because of the professional whiners.
My expertise doesn't wane I just get better every day.
I have to go cash in more tickets. Like the old saying you reap what you sow.
Have a cold beer and chill.
Lol I know, people used to talk about ways of winning here not ways of whining, lol. I never test that much. I just look for things that make sense. If you see it and it happens, what's to test? Test it once, try it if it don't work, try something else. Doing and testing are the same concept to me. I mean if you don't have money that's one thing, but then why are you thinking of or talking about lottery, right? That's like beating a dead horse. I spend roughly btwn 5 and 20 a day. Although sometimes I feel guilty about spending too much. I win a lot or shall I say enough to keep me playing. Occasionally a really nice win. I'm just happy if I win period, lol. They say there's a psychology factor involved with winning, like a reward effect or affect, that goes back to the primitive days of food etc. I don't know, I guess that's why people scratch so much.
Just to be clear I have not read this entire post, so I have no opinion on any particular members here. I just saw all the replies popping up and decided to jump in and thought this one by Laker was the easiest for me to do so. All players have the same goal which is to win, so all to me are the same.
Sometimes you do the right thing just because it’s right.
Life's a game of mathematics, if you can't figure that out I don't know what to tell you.
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Quote: Originally posted by Soledad on Apr 17, 2017
Lol I know, people used to talk about ways of winning here not ways of whining, lol. I never test that much. I just look for things that make sense. If you see it and it happens, what's to test? Test it once, try it if it don't work, try something else. Doing and testing are the same concept to me. I mean if you don't have money that's one thing, but then why are you thinking of or talking about lottery, right? That's like beating a dead horse. I spend roughly btwn 5 and 20 a day. Although sometimes I feel guilty about spending too much. I win a lot or shall I say enough to keep me playing. Occasionally a really nice win. I'm just happy if I win period, lol. They say there's a psychology factor involved with winning, like a reward effect or affect, that goes back to the primitive days of food etc. I don't know, I guess that's why people scratch so much.
Just to be clear I have not read this entire post, so I have no opinion on any particular members here. I just saw all the replies popping up and decided to jump in and thought this one by Laker was the easiest for me to do so. All players have the same goal which is to win, so all to me are the same.
Since it's a free country there will always be people blabbing useless info that tells the lottery player why they shouldn't bet rambling on and on. People will bet regardless if there are 50 people rambling on about why the odds are against you or not. I could care less about the stats of p3 betting in other states because it doesnt change the way i bet. Stats on how many tickets are purchased in DC or New York are not going to change how I select my numbers.
This site and others have excellent tools to help lottery players win. I've been gambling for years and I have worked very hard on honing my skill. Its a fact there are people that work at winning, people that win by quick pick ,or birthday numbers and people that lose alot of money. This will never change.
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Quote: Originally posted by Novan60 on Apr 16, 2017
I think some of the negativity is just frustration. over the last dozen years or so I've spent countless hours trying to find the perfect strategy that would land me a winner and while my programming skills and math have dramatically improved I'm technically no closer to finding a system than when I first started.
That can be frustrating and I think some of the negativity that you are referring to is a reflection of people going through the same cycle of having history tested dozens of strategies and seeing the same losing results over and over again.
Personally after having simulated so many strategies and seeing how much money I would lose if I had played them for 10 or 15 years makes it hard for me to justify playing for real.
That said I will still occasionally real play just to test the luck factor. I have been fortunate in that I got lucky with a couple of second place finishes that still have me in the black, but at my current win rate since returning to NY I will be in the red in the next 2 years or so.
I'm not giving up and I do believe that the lessons I have learned will help me make smarter choices such as avoiding picking number combinations that have almost no probability of appearing in a given drawing, but unfortunately that still leaves a boatload of other possibilities.
In the end it has definitely helped me appreciate the fact that the math does not lie.
With no negative intent whatever, I have a question.
Since no mathematical action takes place in a mechanical lottery ball machine during the ball selection process, how do you know your mathematical computations have any value?
Seems to me that calculations based on 'phantom mathematics' could very well be a big lie.
Just about all of the mathematical models will provide false results if based on actions that never occur.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 17, 2017
With no negative intent whatever, I have a question.
Since no mathematical action takes place in a mechanical lottery ball machine during the ball selection process, how do you know your mathematical computations have any value?
Seems to me that calculations based on 'phantom mathematics' could very well be a big lie.
Just about all of the mathematical models will provide false results if based on actions that never occur.
Every result can't be true, getting the answer right in school is not the same thinking as getting the answer right in the lottery. In no way do mathematical models provide false results. Just because they are not 100% accurate every single time does not make them phantom. You are not thinking of the entire concept of mathematics fully to be saying this. You are being very broad in your opinion and reply about actions that never occur. They are just ways of following what you see. It's really that simple. Many posters have posted systems based on math that have worked in the past and still work to this day. How is that phantom. You are just not being flexible in your thinking, which is fine I guess, but it will never change the way I think. I understand your opinion etc your philosophy on things that are. But if we all just sat around and said this is the way it is and nothing else will ever change, we'd all still be living in caves. Just my opinion.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 17, 2017
With no negative intent whatever, I have a question.
Since no mathematical action takes place in a mechanical lottery ball machine during the ball selection process, how do you know your mathematical computations have any value?
Seems to me that calculations based on 'phantom mathematics' could very well be a big lie.
Just about all of the mathematical models will provide false results if based on actions that never occur.
The very action of selecting 1 ball in X is surrounded by math whether that selection happens mechanically, electronically or by osmosis.
The math tells us exactly what the probability of a given set of numbers will be. It tells us the probability of how many numbers might be odd or what the chances are of a number appearing X times in a row is.
What it cannot tell us is exactly what numbers are going to appear for a specific drawing which we can validate because of...wait for it...math.
Math can help us prevent from picking the least likely numbers to appear. Unfortunately the volume of numbers still left over is still too large to make playing all of the combinations viable.
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Quote: Originally posted by Novan60 on Apr 17, 2017
The very action of selecting 1 ball in X is surrounded by math whether that selection happens mechanically, electronically or by osmosis.
The math tells us exactly what the probability of a given set of numbers will be. It tells us the probability of how many numbers might be odd or what the chances are of a number appearing X times in a row is.
What it cannot tell us is exactly what numbers are going to appear for a specific drawing which we can validate because of...wait for it...math.
Math can help us prevent from picking the least likely numbers to appear. Unfortunately the volume of numbers still left over is still too large to make playing all of the combinations viable.
To each his own!
You obviously do not understand holistic lottery play, as opposed to mathematical, where integer selection is based on real, recognizable trends.
Thanks for your reply.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 17, 2017
To each his own!
You obviously do not understand holistic lottery play, as opposed to mathematical, where integer selection is based on real, recognizable trends.
Thanks for your reply.
And whether you want to believe it or not those "holistic" trends can be proved or disproved by math.
Early in my IT career I went to work for a small retail business that had no real systems. The owner wasn't convinced that he needed systems, but went along with it anyway because that was the advice he was consistently getting. In his mind he did not need a system because he could tell you what the top 10 sellers were because he knew his business. After a year of collecting sales data it turns out that he was only right on about 4 of the top 10 regardless of whether we looked at quantity, margin or gross.
That is not to say that observation is not without it's benefits. Math is only going to get someone so close with lottery games due to the odds being very much in favor of the house. In the end one is still going to have to make decisions based on gut because the number of possibilities remaining after all the math is said and done is usually too large to practically play.
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Quote: Originally posted by Novan60 on Apr 17, 2017
And whether you want to believe it or not those "holistic" trends can be proved or disproved by math.
Early in my IT career I went to work for a small retail business that had no real systems. The owner wasn't convinced that he needed systems, but went along with it anyway because that was the advice he was consistently getting. In his mind he did not need a system because he could tell you what the top 10 sellers were because he knew his business. After a year of collecting sales data it turns out that he was only right on about 4 of the top 10 regardless of whether we looked at quantity, margin or gross.
That is not to say that observation is not without it's benefits. Math is only going to get someone so close with lottery games due to the odds being very much in favor of the house. In the end one is still going to have to make decisions based on gut because the number of possibilities remaining after all the math is said and done is usually too large to practically play.
I'm not saying that mathematics doesn't have a role in lottery play.
In fact, in my workout I have to be able to count to 15.
My point is that I've watched hundreds of Texas mechanical ball machine drawings, and I have never seen anything that would
make me believe that some kind of mathematical action determines which balls will come out of the escape gates.
It's a matter of chance, in my view.
Then comes along someone like yourself stressing and writing a ton of computer code that winning combinations are determined by some
discernible mathematical action in a stupid machine.
I just don't get it.
Regarding the probability of various combinations showing up in the winning combinations.
How do you account for the undeniable fact that combinations repeat over time?
If I understand what you say, 666 should only occur once every 'x' drawings.
What happens to the statistics when 666 arrives 3 times in a lesser number of drawings?
The world wouldn't function if it were not for mathematics.
But, in lottery play, using mathematics to predict the future outcome of a machine having no memory is the most dangerous thing a systems player can do.
All those computer codes you have posted sure are impressive, but, you've said it yourself, having those kinds of tools hasn't won you much in the daily lottery fight.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Apr 17, 2017
I'm not saying that mathematics doesn't have a role in lottery play.
In fact, in my workout I have to be able to count to 15.
My point is that I've watched hundreds of Texas mechanical ball machine drawings, and I have never seen anything that would
make me believe that some kind of mathematical action determines which balls will come out of the escape gates.
It's a matter of chance, in my view.
Then comes along someone like yourself stressing and writing a ton of computer code that winning combinations are determined by some
discernible mathematical action in a stupid machine.
I just don't get it.
Regarding the probability of various combinations showing up in the winning combinations.
How do you account for the undeniable fact that combinations repeat over time?
If I understand what you say, 666 should only occur once every 'x' drawings.
What happens to the statistics when 666 arrives 3 times in a lesser number of drawings?
The world wouldn't function if it were not for mathematics.
But, in lottery play, using mathematics to predict the future outcome of a machine having no memory is the most dangerous thing a systems player can do.
All those computer codes you have posted sure are impressive, but, you've said it yourself, having those kinds of tools hasn't won you much in the daily lottery fight.
Just my opinion, of course.
666 appearing multiple times is easy to explain. 666 will average out to appearing roughly 10 times every 10,000 drawings. It is very easy to look at a small window of drawings and see that it has appeared 3 times in the last year and assume that there is something magical about the number however it could be another 4 years before it appears for the fourth time.
If I flip a coin 1 time there is a 50% chance it will land heads and a 50% chance that it lands tails.
If I flip a coin 2 times the odds are the following:
00
01
10
11
If I flip a coin 2 times each 4 times there are then 256 possible outcomes and a reasonably good chance that 4 heads will appear in a row during one of the cycles.
And that is the reason why math alone does not work in producing a strategy. In a small sampling the randomness is allowed to cause statistical havoc, but over time the randomness conforms to its mathematical rules.
I could write a rule that says that if a number appears 8 times in a row there is now way it will appears a 9th time. That rule may hold true for a while since it is rare that a number would appear that frequently, but eventually the math will hold true and that number will appear a 9th time in a row because any number always has a 1 in X chance of appearing each drawing regardless of it's history.
It is however very rare for something like that to happen because of all of the other rules impacting the ability for that number to appear that frequently in a row.
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Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on Apr 16, 2017
Lottomister I wish we had pick 4. The commision won't start one they are too busy with scratch offs. Many people have asked but to no avail. Being positive is important otherwise a bettor should go for a quick pick. I did have one beer last night but I hit the dry sauna and steam room today so I'm ready to roll!