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Quote: Originally posted by Soledad on Jan 31, 2019
2 , 3, and 5 are the prime numbers. 2 with 8, 3 with 9, 8x9x5=360.
Thank you Soledad for the prime numbers contribution which always has significance in any game.
In kind reciprocation here are a number group phenomena that plays exceptionally well, not only in Keno but also in Roulette (have not checked it on racing yet
Alpha-Numeric playing occurance tactic :
# 14 - 16 - 18 - 28
Straightforward: when one number occurs observe how other numbers will show shortly after, wagering strategy will depend on progressions and bankroll
Now don't risk a rupee, but do a fun free back test on past game listing.....
Hope you enjoy, doesn't hit ever time, mind you, but happens over the odds
Thanks in advance for sharing test results
Bonne Chance All-
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Eddessa_Knight with Lucky Light
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Feb 1, 2019
"The fact that the casino is happy to hand you a copy of the most frequently chosen numbers in the past, free of charge, should tell you that the information is totally meaningless."
LP has "drawing statistics" on almost every drawn lottery game, but I'll bet it's difficult to find where the top 3, 4, 5, or 6 most frequent digits or numbers appeared together in the same drawing. But I had success playing way tickets using Keno numbers that appeared together over a short period. knowing which numbered appeared the most over a short time isn't much help unless you're playing a 1-spot.
"He used the numbers to create a 9 spot progressive bet, and guess what... he lost! LOL"
Years ago a when I hit 5 numbers on an 8-spot, a Keno writer at the Stardust said I could have cashed for at least $43 playing playing the same numbers playing a "15 way" ticket. The way ticket is a nice play "if you're playing an 8-spot" because a four number match on a way ticket pays up to $160, but nothing on just an 8-spot.
Just like any type of gambling and no matter how you playing Keno, players should have a losing betting limit before they start. My limit on the 15 way ticket is $90 and quit if I lose that. One of the problems with casino Keno is there are Keno boards everywhere in the casino so sometimes you see your numbers drawn after quitting.
Matching a 6-spot for $2600 is the best single hit I had playing the 15 way ticket so every time I see someone playing more than a single 7-spot I cringe.
Always appreciate your hands on reality input, Stack
"Keno numbers that appeared together over a short period. knowing which numbered appeared the most over a short time isn't much help unless you're playing a 1-spot." ~S
Just try yo get a long term 6-7- or 8 spot frequency report over 300 games, no dice to trend & pattern players. I would love to know what 8 spots fell over last 1000 games, there are practical limits to extremes, now wouldn't you?
Aye, Power of 1; one spot 3-1 payout is considered decent in many Vegas quarters if player is willing to a no limit wager $50 -$100 on a single number and wins 3 or 4 times, in what he deems as a probable session, - that's not bad for an afternoon's work $$$ (aside of the big $30,000 payout on #12 @ Boulder Casino) I have other players put down the hammer (Bob Stupak) on a one spot *projected happening, among certain players who tour the keno circuit in and out of the State of Nevada
Depends on one's relative point of certainty & how deep the pockets are-
Where the little white ball never stops >>>>
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Eddessa_KNight with Lucky Light
*Nota Bene:
"But instinct is something that transcends knowledge, we have undoubtedly certain finer fibers that enable us to pursue truths, when logical deduction, or any other effort of the brain is futile."
~Nikola Tesla
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"I believe in intuition and inspiration, at times,,,, feeling I am right without knowing the reason."
~Albert Einstein
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Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on Feb 2, 2019
One of the problems with casino Keno is there are Keno boards everywhere in the casino so sometimes you see your numbers drawn after quitting.
Don't look at the boards after you're done playing! LOL
If you think that one particular number will show up, do a way ticket with that spot (a "king") plus others. For example, circle just 25, circle 31-34, circle 51-54, and you can buy two 5 ways (25+31-34 and 25+51-54), one 9 way (25,31-34,51-54), and optionally, two 4 ways and one 8 way, which would not include the 25. The more ways you put on one ticket, the more chances to win, but of course that increases the ticket cost.
Thanks for the sensible keno "king" way strategy model Tucker Black
Hopefully some keno aficionados will test and report on their applied results.
"Don't look at the boards after you're done playing! LoL" ~TB
Solid psychological advice for any game, anytime, anywhere!
Nota Bene:
It's said by senior veteran players, that the safest place to be, when under attack, is the keno parlor because nothing ever hits there.....
Bonne Chance All-
~EK
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Thank you partlycloudy07 for chiming in on casino reactions to winning.
The casino mentality is that card counting that gives a player advantage is not gambling; the idea is that the casino is not gambling and any methodology that over rides their expectant $$$$ reality has to be dealt with by repressive countermeasures which sometimes includes aggressive back rooming, banning player and cheating. In some establishments they employ a highly trained slight of hand manipulator (on the level of a magician) who is called a STOPPER who's function is to change dealer and stop a winning scene when the pit boss determines something has gone wrong with the tables (money) hold.
In brief,many operators mentality is that they are offering an entertainment called 21 which is a losing hand intended to defeat the players and not be a bank or gold mine opportunity for player withdrawals. When player overcomes expectation (even if he is wearing a halo) something must be done to protect their bottom line. So reactive actions were taken to thwart, no less than Professor Edward O.Thorp author of the best selling gambling classic "Beat The Dealer". Thorp's card counting system works, so after being stopped at the casinos, he retired and used his mathematical genius to make millions on Wall Street :-)
The bigger question for the gambler, who finally discovers the golden grail, for winning @ any game of speculation, is how is now how to constantly continue to beat game operator and maintain a long term R.O.I without being stopped. ....???
Appreciate your kind consideration-All
Pro-Player & FairGame Advocatus
Eddessa_Knight with Lucky Light
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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Feb 5, 2019
Thank you partlycloudy07 for chiming in on casino reactions to winning.
The casino mentality is that card counting that gives a player advantage is not gambling; the idea is that the casino is not gambling and any methodology that over rides their expectant $$$$ reality has to be dealt with by repressive countermeasures which sometimes includes aggressive back rooming, banning player and cheating. In some establishments they employ a highly trained slight of hand manipulator (on the level of a magician) who is called a STOPPER who's function is to change dealer and stop a winning scene when the pit boss determines something has gone wrong with the tables (money) hold.
In brief,many operators mentality is that they are offering an entertainment called 21 which is a losing hand intended to defeat the players and not be a bank or gold mine opportunity for player withdrawals. When player overcomes expectation (even if he is wearing a halo) something must be done to protect their bottom line. So reactive actions were taken to thwart, no less than Professor Edward O.Thorp author of the best selling gambling classic "Beat The Dealer". Thorp's card counting system works, so after being stopped at the casinos, he retired and used his mathematical genius to make millions on Wall Street :-)
The bigger question for the gambler, who finally discovers the golden grail, for winning @ any game of speculation, is how is now how to constantly continue to beat game operator and maintain a long term R.O.I without being stopped. ....???
Appreciate your kind consideration-All
Pro-Player & FairGame Advocatus
Eddessa_Knight with Lucky Light
Casinos don't "back room" people any more. They got sued and now the player will make more money in a lawsuit than they could possibly win counting cards.
Casinos don't use a slight of hand manipulator on a card counter. They can simply bar the player, or more commonly, simply re-shuffle the deck. If you're counting cards and every time the count turns positive and you increase your bet, and then the dealer re-shuffles before you have a chance to play a hand with a big bet, the count gets destroyed, so there's no point in continuing to play.
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Famous people’s success against all odds
~ Marilyn Monroe had a rough upbringing and was placed in several foster homes growing up. Later she was considered a failed model with little hopes for success. Her modeling agents told her she would never make it as a model, and that she should consider being a secretary. Despite being told she was a failure most her life she went on to pursue her dreams and became a national success. Marilyn Monroe’s character as a dumb blonde was an act, that overshadowed her real beauty inside.
She was a diamond in the rough. Underneath all the glamor was a little orphan girl who was lonely, smart, and full of life, that wanted to express who she really was under the makeup. In the end was a tragic death of a women who succeeded against all odds, and needed something money can’t buy. She needed to be loved for who she really was.
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~ Marilyn Monroe.
How to become successful against all odds –
Nota Bene:
The courage and persistence to keep going on, past hurdles and obstacles, is powered by purpose.....your purpose
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Eddessa_Knight with Intention Light
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Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on Feb 6, 2019
Casinos don't "back room" people any more. They got sued and now the player will make more money in a lawsuit than they could possibly win counting cards.
Casinos don't use a slight of hand manipulator on a card counter. They can simply bar the player, or more commonly, simply re-shuffle the deck. If you're counting cards and every time the count turns positive and you increase your bet, and then the dealer re-shuffles before you have a chance to play a hand with a big bet, the count gets destroyed, so there's no point in continuing to play.
'au contrair, mon ami' we know gaming practices have improved because of litigation but they haven't gone away.
This is a public forum, that in it's scope concerning confidentiality has time/space limitations, also we are open to lottery and casino visitors.... therefore, unfortunately, not so free for unrestricted revelations.
That being said, I cannot delve or be baited into a debate with anyone who isn't known to me personally.
So with one thing taken with another, in brief, if one would check with veteran players they would find the existence of non-official casino shills, coolers and stoppers are a unseen reality. And if one could see the thousands of complaint letters sent to the Nevada Gaming Bureau about suspected countermeasures against advantage players.
Which brings up a bevy of Esquires that are engaged in defending players or suing casinos misappropriate actions. And just because some hasn't actually eye witnessed these surreptitious actions, doesn't that they don't occur.
Remember if players were not capable of defeating the house, there wouldn't be a need for counter actions, would there?
Not saying that each and every casino or croupier, mind you.
For those who interested in L@@KING with an open and unprejudiced mind,
I have taken the liberty to put before you an in depth a rather lengthy but worthwhile informative interview with Las Vegas legal eagle, Bob Neressian Esq; who handled successfully a back room incident in the recent past
The wise seek......
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Eddesssa_Knight with Legal Light
Interview with Bob Nersesian: An Attorney Fights Casino Abuse of Professional Gamblers in the Nevada Courts and Wins
By Richard W. Munchkin
(Bob Nersesian is a partner in the Las Vegas law firm of Nersesian & Sankiewicz. He specializes in representing players in lawsuits against casinos.
Richard W. Munchkin is a member of the Blackjack Hall of Fame and the author of Gambling Wizards: Conversations with the World's Greatest Gamblers.)
RWM: Why is it that attorneys don’t want to take cases in which card counters have been manhandled by casinos?
Nersesian: Number one, there isn’t enough money in those cases. Number two, and this is really bizarre to me, people in our community don’t understand that the casinos are invading someone’s rights when a card counter is back roomed or handcuffed. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve talked with other attorneys about this stuff and the reaction I get is: “Well for god sakes, he was counting cards. What do you expect them to do?” My answer is, “I expect them to follow the law, not falsely imprison the guy, not hold him out there and walk him through the casino and embarrass him in front of the world.”The law says that if they suspect him of a felony or if he is suspected of committing a misdemeanor on premises, they can detain him. It does not say they can detain him because he is winning, and that is what they are doing. The public accepts that, and most of the lawyers do, too. Across this country professional gamblers are vilified as far as perceptions are concerned. What we are faced with is a private company who says, “We don’t like what you’re doing. You’re hurting us, so we are going to get back at you.”
The general perspective when I approach other lawyers and upper management of casinos about counters being handcuffed, which does occur regularly, they are as aghast as I am. The policy has been changed, and been put out in writing at some properties, after lawsuits that I’ve been involved in.
RWM: That’s good to hear.
Nersesian: They know they can’t do that. I’m giving the upper management some credit here. It’s the way business works. They put out a dictate that says, “We’re supposed to make money.” Then you get down to the functionary level where they don’t deal with management decisions or the overall policy decisions. They just get the directive, “Your job is to make sure we make money.” They don’t know the ins and outs and niceties about it.The next thing you know they are handcuffing honest people. When the upper management finds out about that, they are pretty straightforward about changing their policies and seeing that it doesn’t happen again. Historically, few lawyers have been willing to sue, and nothing happens because of it. The casino management isn’t even aware there is a problem.
RWM: What is a case worth when a card counter is handcuffed and maybe pushed around?
Nersesian: I don’t want to put down hard numbers, but the patron generally walks away with $5,000 - $15,000. That is provided all the i’s are dotted and t’s are crossed. What I mean by that is there aren’t other reasons for what happened.The story that comes from my client in the first place is very rarely the story that you can see from the facts once things develop. For example, someone might assume they were back roomed for card counting, when in actuality they were back roomed because the casino suspects them of using a counting device. If that is the suspicion, and it’s arguably supportable, the detention can be found appropriate.
There are usually videos of that back room, and the cases where I have been successful usually show the casino security lambasting my client and stating, “We saw you in the book. We know you’re a card counter. We don’t want your business.” The client is calmly standing there saying, “I told you outside that I didn’t want to come back here. Put away that camera. You are not going to take my picture. You have no business holding me here. You can ask me to leave. You could have done that out in the casino. Let me out right now.”
RWM: Is that what someone should do if detained?
Nersesian: First inform them firmly, but not physically, that you have no desire to accompany them anywhere.
RWM: Should you attempt to walk to the door?
Nersesian: Your call. I’ve had it both ways. Firmly state, “If you want to throw me out, tell me I’m 86’ed or trespass me. Do it now and do it quickly, because I intend to walk out that door.” If they say, “You’re not going,” or “You have to come with us,” don’t fight them, because they may beat the living daylights out of you.Do I want to see that kind of lawsuit? Not really. You get hurt on those. If they have determined that they are taking you to the back room, they will probably do whatever it takes to restrain you. Your firm statement that you desire to leave and they should not take you back there is all that is needed.
RWM: Unfortunately, the surveillance tapes don’t have audio.
Nersesian: No, they don’t. Once you get in the security office, say it again. That room is recorded with audio.
I want to give you an example of the way the attorneys here look at this stuff. I have a case going to trial on the 23rd. I’m suing a Gaming agent for what he did to a card counter. The court originally dismissed the action. This card counter spent a whole night in jail. He didn’t do anything illegal.When the court dismissed it, I had to go to the Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, and that court reversed the dismissal. Now we have a judgment of liability. I am $80,000 into this case. What do my friends who are lawyers think when I describe the events to them? The guy spent a night in jail. He has never been arrested in his life. He is a wonderful father of two.
The question to me is, “What was he doing?” He was counting cards. When I ask them what they think it is worth, they tell me, maybe $2,000. I ask, “Why only $2,000?” I was talking to two lawyers just yesterday and they said, “Because he was a card counter.” I said, “So, that’s legal.” They said, “It might be legal but it doesn’t garner any sympathy.”
There might be some truth to that. I don’t think it’s a $2,000 case. If it ends up being a $2,000 case, so be it. I still proved my point.
RWM: What was their excuse for keeping him in jail?
Nersesian: He was actually arrested because he refused to give this cop his name.
At the same time I am trying to sue six other Gaming agents. The courts keep throwing them out. I’m going to take these cases to the Nevada Supreme Court. If that doesn’t work, I will try for the United States Supreme Court.I can’t believe what these police officers think they are allowed to do. In one instance, and this one blows my mind, I have a client who plays video poker. He found a machine that had an edge and he played the heck out of it. It turned out the machine was misprogrammed. After he won on the machine, two police officers held him in custody for well over an hour and a half, and repeatedly requested that he return the money before he could leave, or alternatively go to jail. He did not do anything illegal.
Here you have the Nevada State Police acting as collection agents for casinos. Isn’t that special?
RWM: Nevada is a very special place.
Nersesian: That one will be going to the Supreme Court for darn sure. Are they going to confirm the court throwing it out? They might. But I have been very impressed with the Gaming Control Board itself and the Supreme Court on gaming issues. Those three guys who make the big decisions. Or, the Nevada Supreme Court. The games tend to go out the window, and they are very judicious, both the Board, and the Supreme Court, about applying the law.
RWM: Really?
Nersesian: Yes. You hear people say that they are rubber stamps for the casinos—not true. From what I can see, at the agent level, those guys seem to have a perspective that they’re working for the casinos. However, the Supreme Court and the Gaming Control Board seem very guarded about their perspective, and that they are working for Nevada. That includes the taxpayers and the people who play in the casinos, as well as the properties.
You might be familiar with another case I handled, which happened at another casino. There was a programming error on a 50-cent video poker machine. A progressive jackpot for four of a kind, which would normally pay $250, instead paid $100,000. My client hit it.A Gaming agent, in a throwaway off-the-cuff opinion, effectively stated, “There is no liability here on behalf of the casino. The patron loses.” The Gaming Control Board unanimously held that the casino had to pay. You see the distinction? The Board recognizes that the integrity of our system is reliant upon expectations being met. That sure was no rubber stamp decision for the casino.
RWM: If it were a PPE [Park Place Entertainment] or MGM/Mirage property, do you think the decision would have been the same?
Nersesian: Yes, in my opinion that would not make a difference. You see some similarities in this case with the other slot case where the agents held him and tried to get him to give back the money.One thing that is most curious is the video of that incident. The police officers were citing the Nevada tax base, and implying that injury to that tax base was something they weren’t going to allow to happen. If you take that in context, and expand it out to its logical conclusion, what they are saying is, “We will not allow casinos to lose in this state.” There is a voiced attitude of the agents that patrons have to deal with every day.
I have a client who was back roomed and we tried very hard to get Metro to prosecute the casino for false imprisonment. We showed up at the station and requested they take a report. They wouldn’t take a report. I actually spoke to a police officer who said to me, “Well, he was card counting. Of course they put him in the back room. That’s cheating.”This is a police officer in the state of Nevada who thinks it is cheating to count cards. No, sorry, the Supreme Court of Nevada has said three times it is not cheating. Reason tells you it’s not cheating. Maybe so, but the guy on the street doesn’t view a professional gambler with any sympathy. It might be jealousy. Whatever the rational might be, there just isn’t a depth of sympathy for card counters and other legal advantage players.
If the cop on the street thinks that is the case, how are you going to get lawyers or the general public to look at these people as anything other than dreck? Are they dreck? Not the ones I know. My clients include business leaders, mathematics professors at national universities, and noted authors. They are not dreck.This whole concept of treating them as less than upstanding citizens is particularly curious when you balance against it the idea that the casinos are allowed to use their skills to make money, and they are the stellar citizens of Nevada. But a player who uses his skills should be persecuted. Isn’t that a curious perspective?
RWM: It certainly is. Do you have any other advice to the player when confronted by the casino?
Nersesian: Don’t show a fake ID. I know a lot of guys are carrying them. If you use another name, one thing that might add some protection is to go down to the Clark County Clerk’s office and register that name as a “registered assumed name.” The law regarding identification is ambiguous and I believe unconstitutional. The law says,NRS 205.465 Possession or sale of document or personal identifying information to establish false status or identity.
1. It is unlawful for a person to possess, sell or transfer any document or personal identifying information for the purpose of establishing a false status, occupation, membership, license or identity for himself or any other person.Nersesian: Pretty broad, isn’t it?
RWM: Wow. So if my wife uses my player’s card in the slot machine, she’s committing a crime under that law.
Nersesian: There is an argument that she is. I don’t think this statute passes constitutional muster. It’s vague and fails to include a scienter element, but do you want to be the guy who spends two days in jail before being bailed out for $5,000 to see if that is true?There is also a statute, or ordinances, that deal with doing business under an assumed name. The argument will be when this statute is popped on someone who has filed that DBA certificate is that this is not a “false” identity. This is a legal, fictitious identity, and there has to be a distinction between the two, else the assumed name statutes would not exist.
If you are going to use fictitious ID, file an assumed name certificate in the county where you are using it. Even then you can’t be sure you are not committing a crime, as far as Nevada defines one. Isn’t this fun?
Gamblers have gone to great lengths to avoid being noticed. Often the simplest diversion will add hours to the play. For example, I know of a case where a Gaming agent, a professional security officer, and a chief of security watched the wrong guy on the table for hours before they figured out he was getting signals. They were dumbfounded as to where his information was coming from.Then they watched the other guy at the table, since the first guy was not doing anything to get information. They watched the other guy for hours to figure out what the signals were. The signals were blatantly obvious. My point is not that surveillance is inept. My point is that players think all this stuff is known, and as soon as you do something they are going to see it. The simplest stuff can take years for them to decipher.
On the other hand, I have another case where a guy was popped twenty minutes after he sat down. He was 86’ed. He somehow was in Griffin. His spread was $50 to $200. He’s relatively an amateur.
RWM: Why is this a case?
Nersesian: He was back roomed. And he did everything right. He said, “I don’t want to go there.” They entered the back room. “I don’t know why I’m here. Let me go.” Then the beautiful part, the security guard says, “You’re here because we found you in the book. We know you’re a card counter.” Talk about handing it to me.To add insult to injury, he asks the security supervisor who says, and this is cute, “You’re here because you’ve committed a gaming violation.” He asked, “What violation?” The security chief essentially says, “I don’t have to tell you.” And he walks out.
Then he kept telling the other security officers, “Let me go right now. You have no right to hold me. You know that I have done nothing illegal. Let me out that door.” They told him to calm down and he said, “I’m perfectly calm. I just don’t want to be here.” Then the supervisor comes back in and my client said, “Let me go.” The supervisor said, “First, I want to ask you some questions.” My client again said, “Let me go right now.” Eventually when it became clear they would get nothing, he was allowed to leave.
RWM: Should he have said, “Call the police.”
Nersesian: That’s the case where we did call the police. They said, “So? You were card counting.” I’ve got a letter from Metro saying, to paraphrase, “We choose not to investigate or prosecute. Our scarce resources cannot be used on such claims.” No, but if a casino calls them up and says they have a disorderly person, how long before they are over there hauling that guy away?
RWM: My first question to you was: Why don’t lawyers take these cases? Now I’m wondering: Why do you take them?
Nersesian: I do this because what is going on in this community is not some minor infringement in everybody’s day-to-day life. To be thrown into a back room against your will, and be told that you have to do whatever they tell you for however long they want—that is imprisonment. It is traumatic beyond what you or I could ever fathom.Those lawyer friends that I told you about, and they are dear friends, they think I’m tilting at windmills like Don Quixote. I get very angry with them. If you’re a lawyer, you took an oath. When I tell my friends that this is what I do to give back, their reaction is, “Well, that’s pretty silly. You’re giving back by making things worse.” The kind of cases I am talking about, the casinos think they can treat patrons as chattel, as pieces of property. These people are not chattel, and they have not done anything illegal. For a casino to think that they have some special position in society that allows them to do this to innocent people cannot be reconciled with the country we live in.
That’s why I do it. Because it angers me that much. I don’t make money at this. It has been a money loser for years, but it is a matter of principle, and a wrong that needs righted.
Bob Nersesian
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Very interesting! Thanks!
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This is a great entry by eddessaknight and I especially like how it consistently reaffirms what myself and others have discussed here. As bad and unfair as it is, the house simply doesn't welcome players that implement a methodical approach to winning with any reasonable consistency and profit. To really understand their reasoning, though, one must think in terms of it as being their own casino with a player seemingly winning all the time. In my opinion, the imminent risk is that they'll share the tool(s) utilized to accomplish the wins which further exacerbate the owner's losses...with intent. It's one thing for a random player to hit it big on pure luck and the casino's able to substantiate it being luck and another thing to establish a measured and 'repeatable' approach. The latter is what get's one taken to that special room after extensive monitoring of mannerism prior and post play. With as much money as casinos make, you'd think the impact would be minimal but it becomes a serious liability on multiple levels. I honestly get it and it's for those reasons that I enjoy casinos in the same way I enjoy Powerball and Megamillons...sparingly and with no expectations. Hey, I'll go and grub on all that good food and liquor while dropping a few bucks at my favorite tables then be on my way.
When it comes to state lottery games, I feel it's sort of the same way with less actual impact overall within reason. The exception here would be the Selbees and the MIT students who caused both major lottery games to become defunct...with intent. We can see how that initially, no one in their right mind even considered spending the kind of money the Selbees actually knew would allow them to win while turning great profits! On the recent 60 Minutes rerun, he made it perfectly clear that when you understand the math and mechanics of a game with a loophole, there's no need to be afraid the spend the money and play. I fully concur! The guy used simple math to implement his approach and figured out exactly what his profit(s) would be down to the dollar. As great as the experiment was, as well as the MIT students' run, it was only a matter of time before the well ran dry as playership dropped way off which meant no losers to pay the winners. There was no way for either game to survive under those circumstances. Pick 3 and Pick 4 are very different in that there's no roll down or anything progressive as an incentive to realize a huge consistent profit but, it's still winnable and a small profit-turning deal. This is what makes a successful system with these specific games so proprietary in my opinion. These days when people say it can't be done, it's a waste of time and money, systems don't work, odds-chances of winning are the same with QP's etc, I just simply smile instead of going out of my way to try and prove them wrong like I used to.
Again, great entry eddessaknight.
Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....
There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.
#lotto-4-a-living
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Appreciate the understanding and excellent commentary Lucky Loser, et al-
Aficionados here is yet another interesting case to consider:
Cheated’ gamblers are turning the tables on casinos
Lawyer Bob Nersesian, outside of The Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.
If the chips fall against them, serious gamblers call Bob Nersesian.
The 58-year-old attorney is the go-to guy for card sharks who claim they’ve been roughed up or feel they’ve been cheated by the house. His clients are often well-versed in card counting, a practice he says is just skillful betting.
“It is not illegal and it is not cheating,” says Nersesian. (In 1982, a New Jersey state judge ruled as such.) “Card counting is nothing more than playing the game offered by the casino.”
The Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.
A stocky, aggressive pit bull of a man, he has, over the past 21 years, spearheaded 70 such cases and won millions of dollars for gamblers. He details his legal exploits in his forthcoming book “The Law for Gamblers” (Huntington Press, March 31).
“Casinos everywhere like taking shots at ripping off players,” says Nersesian, who is based in Vegas but has taken on gambling dens in New Jersey and Connecticut. “[They] will detain players or not cash their chips for any reason imaginable.”
Nersesian says the laws vary from state to state as to whether or not a casino can kick a player out without cause, but that it’s always illegal not to redeem chips that have been legally won or to physically attack a patron unless it’s in the name of defense.
“Clearly, they don’t want certain people near their games,” he says.
“But if they offer a game to the community — and it’s their odds, equipment and rules — [how can] they exclude smart people from participating?
A few years ago, Nersesian helped a professional Atlantic City gambler who games under the name Keith Burks take on a casino. He was playing blackjack and smartly monitoring the deck when a floor supervisor came over and grabbed Burks’ cards.
“He killed the hand!” Burks recalls. “Things got heated. Security guards ended up tackling me and handcuffing me. I woke up Bob with a phone call.”
While the terms of Burks’ settlement are confidential, Nersesian says he’s won verdicts as high as $600,000 for gambler clients.
Thom Kho
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Mr.Thom Kho, a 24-year-old barber from Piscataway, NJ, hopes the attorney will be able to get him a six-figure sum.
Last summer, Kho, a skilled card counter, was playing blackjack at Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas — the same gambling den that
Ben Affleck was kicked out of in 2014 for card counting. Kho won nearly $6,000 his first two days in Vegas, and was actually losing on his third day, when a Hard Rock employee abruptly stopped him.
“Cash in your chips,” the casino suit said. “You’re done.”
The man demanded that the baby-faced Kho show his ID, and when Kho refused, because he’d already given it to the dealer earlier, he was handcuffed and bullied into a back room. A guard rifled through his cargo-short pockets and removed his wallet, cellphone, $3,625 in Hard Rock chips and an envelope containing nearly $30,000.
An hour or so later, Kho was released and given his possessions back, but the casino wouldn’t let him cash out the chips.
‘Casinos everywhere like taking shots at ripping off players.’
- Bob Nersesian
“Next morning, I called Bob,” Kho says.
When he told Nersesian what had happened, the lawyer laughed and said,
“If they did exactly what you say, we can make a lot of money.”
Court papers have been filed and the case is ongoing.
Though Nersesian makes a handsome living from taking on casinos, he insists that there is more at stake than money.
“It’s about bringing thugs to justice,” he says.
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It is a requirement that you show ID when requested. You must have ID on you in order to be in a casino, even if you're 85 years old. Refusing to show ID was a bad idea.
Also, if you have more than $10,000 in chips and wish to cash them out, and you refuse to show ID (which you will be asked for, pursuant to Title 31), you will be barred from playing and you will not get your chips cashed out until you come back to the casino with your ID. This is federal law. Of course, it's illegal for the casino to refuse to cash out your chips when you do come back with ID, and it's illegal for the casino to rough you up.
This guy only had $3,625 in chips, but I thought I would add that. Some people think that they deserve to cash out their $12,000 in chips with no ID and they don't understand that it's federal law that requires the casino to see your ID (and make notes of your name and address, naturally) to prevent money laundering.
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Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on Feb 10, 2019
It is a requirement that you show ID when requested. You must have ID on you in order to be in a casino, even if you're 85 years old. Refusing to show ID was a bad idea.
Also, if you have more than $10,000 in chips and wish to cash them out, and you refuse to show ID (which you will be asked for, pursuant to Title 31), you will be barred from playing and you will not get your chips cashed out until you come back to the casino with your ID. This is federal law. Of course, it's illegal for the casino to refuse to cash out your chips when you do come back with ID, and it's illegal for the casino to rough you up.
This guy only had $3,625 in chips, but I thought I would add that. Some people think that they deserve to cash out their $12,000 in chips with no ID and they don't understand that it's federal law that requires the casino to see your ID (and make notes of your name and address, naturally) to prevent money laundering.
"Some people think that they deserve to cash out their $12,000 in chips"
Probably because they never heard of the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970. I had a really good run in Sparks a few years ago and the Craps pit boss explained it to me. "Never ever cash in more than $9000 in a 24 hour period."
"it's federal law that requires the casino to see your ID (and make notes of your name and address, naturally)"
Not many people walk from table games with over $10,000, but there are some, "guests of the casino" that buy in for much more than $10,000. High value slot machine wins requires a W2-G so they need a valid ID unless their info is already on file.
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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Nov 7, 2018
Major Question:
What profitable reality winner is actually willing to share their overcoming the odds strategy/tactics with you (any game) ???
Inquiring minds , want to know.....
Would any one be able to share their winning idea?
I have noticed where at times in my state that they seemed to stop selling certain numbers. Its usually pick 3 triples. Where the machine simply did not. accept the ticket or print the tickets out.
It's just an idea but if there were a publicly shared method, I think that after a certain number of combinations were sold the lottery would just stop selling those number combinations. Just an idea tho.
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Infinity looks Black or White to Finite Eyes.
Ancient wisdom says there are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Feb 11, 2019
"Some people think that they deserve to cash out their $12,000 in chips"
Probably because they never heard of the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970. I had a really good run in Sparks a few years ago and the Craps pit boss explained it to me. "Never ever cash in more than $9000 in a 24 hour period."
"it's federal law that requires the casino to see your ID (and make notes of your name and address, naturally)"
Not many people walk from table games with over $10,000, but there are some, "guests of the casino" that buy in for much more than $10,000. High value slot machine wins requires a W2-G so they need a valid ID unless their info is already on file.
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