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Nov 11, 2022, 6:11 am

is it possible to filter digits in the ascending and descending of the last digit in a lottery?
raffle= 07 08 19 26 45 53= last digit=7,8,9,6,5,3,
group of last digit increasing= 7,8,9
decreasing groups=6,5,3
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Nov 11, 2022, 2:16 pm

It's possible. You literally did it in your post.
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Nov 11, 2022, 2:35 pm

You can do anything you can conceive with numbers given the right tools.
How well it works, depends on your endgame and goal.

Take a 4ball game where you only have 4 back digits. There are 24 ways they can hit....

The green is the position the numbers fall in. As you see there is only 1 true ascending set (1234) and one descending set (4321). We have 22 scrambled sets. (Yeah, we can even break those down Up, Down; Down, Up; Up, Up; Down, Down; and all sorts of misery. But what's it worth once the game starts and two or three of the same back digit is drawn?)

And we have to add Same our list multiplying our possibilities.

Now with a 5 ball game you have 120 positions and a 6 ball game has 720 positions.
Do the ascending and descending sets equal or outnumber the scrambled sets?

So for some games this may be worth it, others it would be worthless, and most would result in a toss up, alternately working and lapsing at various times.

IMO, it's not worth the headache since it compounds the tracking data and compounds the necessary decisions. (Easy way to determine if you want that headache is to put all ascending and descending sets in one column and all scrambled sets in another and see which column is longer)

Whether it is worth it to you is your choice.

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Nov 11, 2022, 3:47 pm

ok thank you good job tracking, the doubles, trios and quadruples uninterrupted up and down. it will be a form of positional filter of sequences of doubles, trios and quadruples of digits, ok there are repetitions of last digits in a lottery, the last digit is a good filter, garyo how many doubles, trios and quadruples in ascending and descending sequence we have in a lottery 6/ 49?
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Nov 11, 2022, 4:29 pm

Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Nov 11, 2022
ok thank you good job tracking, the doubles, trios and quadruples uninterrupted up and down. it will be a form of positional filter of sequences of doubles, trios and quadruples of digits, ok there are repetitions of last digits in a lottery, the last digit is a good filter, garyo how many doubles, trios and quadruples in ascending and descending sequence we have in a lottery 6/ 49?

Let's leave that for you to determine.

Easy to say that any 4 ball game has 10000 back digit combinations from 0000 to 9999.
5 ball has 100000 from 00000 to 99999.
6 ball has 1000000 from 000000 to 999999.
(Depending on the game they may not all be in play)

So....

6/49 fun fact, if you have sidewalk chalk, go out in the road and write each combination in 1" numerals, 1" apart, starting with 000000. By time you are finished at 999999, it will be dark and you'll be about 30 miles from home. (Hope you remembered a flashlight) If you also brought a pen and paper categorize each set on the way home.

Good Luck!

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Nov 11, 2022, 4:33 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Nov 11, 2022
Let's leave that for you to determine.

Easy to say that any 4 ball game has 10000 back digit combinations from 0000 to 9999.
5 ball has 100000 from 00000 to 99999.
6 ball has 1000000 from 000000 to 999999.
(Depending on the game they may not all be in play)

So....

6/49 fun fact, if you have sidewalk chalk, go out in the road and write each combination in 1" numerals, 1" apart, starting with 000000. By time you are finished at 999999, it will be dark and you'll be about 30 miles from home. (Hope you remembered a flashlight) If you also brought a pen and paper categorize each set on the way home.

Good Luck!

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Nov 11, 2022, 8:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Nov 11, 2022
When you get home Watch that Random Truck run over you.

Moral "Stay out of the Road"

Should make an interesting accident report....

"Witnesses say the man, who was writing chalk numbers in the road, looked surprised when a truck came over the hill. Officials were able to locate his next of kin by following the numbers back to 000000."

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Nov 12, 2022, 4:49 am

is not taking into account that there are combinations with greater probability if it is drawn, which are in the central range of the gauss curve, making mathematically combining 100% it is logical that there will be many combinations, so mathematicians do not get it right in lotteries, ex= 1, 2,3,4,5,6 has the same chance, but in reality, it will be very difficult, because in the case of 6/49 we have 49 numbers fighting (conflicting with each other) to get out 6 we have to go against the central lane of the gauss curve and not at the two extremes
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Nov 12, 2022, 10:36 am

Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Nov 12, 2022
is not taking into account that there are combinations with greater probability if it is drawn, which are in the central range of the gauss curve, making mathematically combining 100% it is logical that there will be many combinations, so mathematicians do not get it right in lotteries, ex= 1, 2,3,4,5,6 has the same chance, but in reality, it will be very difficult, because in the case of 6/49 we have 49 numbers fighting (conflicting with each other) to get out 6 we have to go against the central lane of the gauss curve and not at the two extremes

"is not taking into account that there are combinations with greater probability if it is drawn,"

You first need to know each individual number'z probability in the pool, b4 you might ascertain GrOuPz of number'z combined probability..

Doc?..you're puttin yo cArT before the hOrSe!

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Nov 12, 2022, 1:27 pm

there is the gambler's fallacy, but there are also mathematicians saying that all numbers have the same chance, it's not true!!!, there are combinations with a greater chance of being drawn than others, as in the genetic code, there are certain trios that don't match each other
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Nov 12, 2022, 3:33 pm

Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Nov 12, 2022
there is the gambler's fallacy, but there are also mathematicians saying that all numbers have the same chance, it's not true!!!, there are combinations with a greater chance of being drawn than others, as in the genetic code, there are certain trios that don't match each other

"there is the gambler's fallacy, but there are also mathematicians saying that all numbers have the same chance, it's not true!!!"

I've been tryn to tell certain infamous MaThEsTaTiTiOnZ that fact fa yrz heaa..but to nooo avail,..cauze they've either got cotton in their eyez, caught up in a Texez 2 Step..or relyin on Holy Cricketz to give'em $ound advice, just bcauze the PoPe haz blessed'em..

Naah tell me?, who needz advice frum folkz like dat wit oddz already Stack47 timez against ya?

Doc?,..Guess You gonna have to open up a Lottery Clinic to diagnose real Math Medicine to'em.. cauze they need Calculation Cure..

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Nov 12, 2022, 3:44 pm

Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Nov 12, 2022
there is the gambler's fallacy, but there are also mathematicians saying that all numbers have the same chance, it's not true!!!, there are combinations with a greater chance of being drawn than others, as in the genetic code, there are certain trios that don't match each other

You been in the juju juice too?

When I said certain combinations had a higher chance of being drawn, I was called crazy. Now you're saying it.
You must be crazy too!

Or crazy is a new contagion. This disease is probably caused by a virus, like mathematiculonium which causes mathematiculonia, resulting in doing meticulous math without the general conventions that chain us to rote calculation.

In defense of mathematicians, taught rote calculations, general laws and rules of numbers with few shortcuts (cuss word math works but its not the proper way to do a particular calculation), numbers are only units on a scale. They have no relationship that can't be derived by addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, or some combination of those. And I agree with mathematicians who claim a set of drawn balls can't be predicted in one draw. (No one can prevent a low percentage set from being drawn, but the incidence of occurrence for that type set is well......low)

But sets can be predicted over a given time period by the same math used to say they can't.
And where some have an innate ability with numbers; others of us have to work at it.

I have to work at it without forgetting to be crazy with it too.

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Nov 12, 2022, 3:55 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Nov 12, 2022
You been in the juju juice too?

When I said certain combinations had a higher chance of being drawn, I was called crazy. Now you're saying it.
You must be crazy too!

Or crazy is a new contagion. This disease is probably caused by a virus, like mathematiculonium which causes mathematiculonia, resulting in doing meticulous math without the general conventions that chain us to rote calculation.

In defense of mathematicians, taught rote calculations, general laws and rules of numbers with few shortcuts (cuss word math works but its not the proper way to do a particular calculation), numbers are only units on a scale. They have no relationship that can't be derived by addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, or some combination of those. And I agree with mathematicians who claim a set of drawn balls can't be predicted in one draw. (No one can prevent a low percentage set from being drawn, but the incidence of occurrence for that type set is well......low)

But sets can be predicted over a given time period by the same math used to say they can't.
And where some have an innate ability with numbers; others of us have to work at it.

I have to work at it without forgetting to be crazy with it too.

G

"But sets can be predicted over a given time period by the same math used to say they can't."

Uuuhh, xactly whoo'z side are YOU oonn?.. cauze naah ya doin a 180..!!

Thought You were a Member of da Naysayerz National Organization..
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Nov 12, 2022, 9:38 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Nov 12, 2022
You been in the juju juice too?

When I said certain combinations had a higher chance of being drawn, I was called crazy. Now you're saying it.
You must be crazy too!

Or crazy is a new contagion. This disease is probably caused by a virus, like mathematiculonium which causes mathematiculonia, resulting in doing meticulous math without the general conventions that chain us to rote calculation.

In defense of mathematicians, taught rote calculations, general laws and rules of numbers with few shortcuts (cuss word math works but its not the proper way to do a particular calculation), numbers are only units on a scale. They have no relationship that can't be derived by addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, or some combination of those. And I agree with mathematicians who claim a set of drawn balls can't be predicted in one draw. (No one can prevent a low percentage set from being drawn, but the incidence of occurrence for that type set is well......low)

But sets can be predicted over a given time period by the same math used to say they can't.
And where some have an innate ability with numbers; others of us have to work at it.

I have to work at it without forgetting to be crazy with it too.

G

Not all numbers have the same chance to be drawn:

"The 2/3 Rule"

Per L A Igrok book:

"Since in lotteries we're dealing with limited game fields , the statistical distribution can roughly be calculated as the following : Only two - thirds of all the numbers should win during the first round , two - thirds of the remaining unique and not - yet - winning numbers should win within the second round , about two - thirds of the remaining not - yet - winning numbers are likely to win in next third round and so on".

Another crazy here

Good Luck everyone
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Nov 13, 2022, 12:17 am

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Nov 12, 2022
You been in the juju juice too?

When I said certain combinations had a higher chance of being drawn, I was called crazy. Now you're saying it.
You must be crazy too!

Or crazy is a new contagion. This disease is probably caused by a virus, like mathematiculonium which causes mathematiculonia, resulting in doing meticulous math without the general conventions that chain us to rote calculation.

In defense of mathematicians, taught rote calculations, general laws and rules of numbers with few shortcuts (cuss word math works but its not the proper way to do a particular calculation), numbers are only units on a scale. They have no relationship that can't be derived by addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, or some combination of those. And I agree with mathematicians who claim a set of drawn balls can't be predicted in one draw. (No one can prevent a low percentage set from being drawn, but the incidence of occurrence for that type set is well......low)

But sets can be predicted over a given time period by the same math used to say they can't.
And where some have an innate ability with numbers; others of us have to work at it.

I have to work at it without forgetting to be crazy with it too.

G

It's starting to look like the Dr. doesn't knows that 23 and 32 are different numbers in jackpot games or the difference between combinations and permutations.

When the order doesn't matter, it is a Combination.

When the order does matter it is a Permutation.

Don't want to explain the confusing pick 3, 4, and 5 box bets where either can win.

"When will we ever learn?"