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Are Lotteries Rigged

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Do you honestly believe Lotteries are Rigged

Absolutely [ 34 ]  [19.21%]
Yes [ 27 ]  [15.25%]
Maybe [ 40 ]  [22.60%]
no [ 38 ]  [21.47%]
Absolutely not, otherwise I wouldn't play [ 31 ]  [17.51%]
Who cares I play for fun [ 7 ]  [3.95%]
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I keep seeing topics in which some poster insists lotteries are rigged. My feelings on the subject are; if they are, why is there such a wide divergence of winners. If they were fixed there would be a particular group winning all the time. Now some genius is going to say; well they let one person win then split the money. Not easy to do when the winner is under the scrutiny of the press and the government, looking for their taxes. What do you think?

Megamillionaire

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    There is a history of lotteries around the world having been rigged at various times so it isn't impossible. 

    I think for those of us not in third world countries we're pretty safe our lotteries being satisfied with stacking the odds against us. 

    Lotteries seem to do some pretty weird things like holding out a ballset they seem to think will cause a rollover when used because its numbers come out different from the other ballsets for reasons unknown. 

    I don't think we need to worry about situations like John Travolta caused in the movie Lucky Numbers.  BobP

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      Posted: December 10, 2003, 4:30 pm - IP Logged

      The "Xtra" game (I've heard several other states talk about having the game as well) is not randomly selected. If you read the instructions on how to play the game there is not  one line in the whole sheet that tells you the game is rigged/or at least not randomly drawn. It wasn't until I wrote them a letter and told them I knew for a fact they were not randomly drawn and I ask them if they were trying to say that they were.

      This is the response  I received when they answered that particular question.

      Here is more information regarding your specific questions.

      The winners of the Xtra feature are randomly selected, much like a
      Scratchers ticket, where the winners are randomly printed and
      distributed throughout a specific game.  The Xtra numbers are not
      randomly generated or selected.  Again, the randomness is in the dvent
      of winning or not winning, not in the Xtra numbers generated.

      Rigged! Case closed. I haven't bought an "xtra" ticket since. As least, with scratchers you know they are preprinted and you just have to be the lucky one. But they sure didn't let anybody know that about this game...

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        Posted: December 10, 2003, 4:48 pm - IP Logged

        The Revolutionary War was paid for in part by a lottery. The original G.W. had to pay his troops some way.

        New York has an outside accounting firm monitoring all drawings and uses three ball sets for each game, which are alternated for each game. After a certain period the ball sets are discarded for new sets (The facts can be found on the NY lottery web site). 

        Many years ago some employees of the NY Lottery company tried to fix the numbers game by putting water in the balls they didn't want to win, but they were caught and sent to jail. 

        Though I have a great distrust for politicians, the lotteries are run by private firms who would suffer great money losses if they were found fixing the games. I truly believe the games are honest otherwise I wouldn't be playing, even for fun.

        Megamillionaire

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        A man must consider what a rich realm he leaves when he becomes a conformist.

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          Posted: December 10, 2003, 5:15 pm - IP Logged

          Quote: Originally posted by Bryan on December 10, 2003







          Here is more information regarding your specific questions.

          The winners of the Xtra feature are randomly selected, much like a
          Scratchers ticket, where the winners are randomly printed and
          distributed throughout a specific game.  The Xtra numbers are not
          randomly generated or selected.  Again, the randomness is in the dvent
          of winning or not winning, not in the Xtra numbers generated.






          Bryan

          Look up the meaning of the word lottery. What they are doing is a true lottery. go to yourdictionary.com and plug in the word lottery and/or lotto. They give an example of the park services allotting camping spaces by lottery where the number of spaces are known and the names of the campers trying for the spaces are drawn from a hat or some other container, that's a lottery. The Draft is a lottery you go if your name is drawn. 

          Megamillionaire

          Time is a wonderful teacher, but it kills all its students.

          A man must consider what a rich realm he leaves when he becomes a conformist.

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            Posted: December 10, 2003, 5:21 pm - IP Logged

            Bryan etal

             

            Below is the definition of Lottery.



            1. A contest in which tokens are distributed or sold, the winning token or tokens being secretly predetermined or ultimately selected in a random drawing.
            2. A selection made by lot from a number of applicants or competitors: The state uses a lottery to assign spaces in the campground.
            3. An activity or dvent regarded as having an outcome depending on fate: They considered combat duty a lottery.

            Below is the definition of Lotto.

            n. pl. lot·tos



            1. A game of chance similar to bingo.
            2. A lottery, typically with an accumulating jackpot, in which participants play numbers of their choice in a random drawing.


            Megamillionaire

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            A man must consider what a rich realm he leaves when he becomes a conformist.

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                dfw
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                im speaking for equifax. he says that if the lotto people know a few seconds after the balls drop, how many winning tickets were sold, and of which value, in which cities..............whats stopping them from utilizing this information before and after?nothing is stopping them. nothing is stopping them from taking a "peek" at which sets of numbers were not played.............just before the ball drops.............and using this information....after all the balls do disappear for a millisecond..then re-appear,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,dont they? tape it on your vcr, then play it back fram by frame

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                  Posted: December 10, 2003, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

                  No.   

                   

                  Check the State Lottery Report Card
                  What grade did your lottery earn?

                   

                  Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                  Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                    Posted: December 10, 2003, 7:28 pm - IP Logged

                    It would take alot of people to rig the lottery.

                    If anyone had any inclenation that the lottery was fixed there would be an investigation by the Inspector General of that state and heads would roll if such a fix was happening.

                    Do we say it's fixed because we dont win every other night.  We have to realize this is gambling and the odds are worse than playing casino games or betting the ponies or dogs.

                    We can always walk away if we think it's rigged and play other games. 

                    I would definitely say horse racing would be high on the list for fixing an dvent.

                    When I watch the lottery on TV all I see are numbers flying around like crazy inside a round or triangular shaped machine.  In Pennsylvania they have a live drawing every night versus a simulated midday drawing.  I trust the evening draws that are made.

                    The only thing that may be rigged with lotteries is the mangement that runs them and the advertising agencies they pay.

                    I think each state has a watchdog group that looks at the way the lottery is run.  Pennsylvania Inspector General just audited the PA Lottery and found many problems mostly with management, advertising and record keeping.

                    Watch your own states lottery.  If you thinks it's rigged send a letter to your states Inspector General asking for an investigation.

                    Good Luck!!

                    wsls

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                      it wouldnt take a lot of people to rig the lottery. it would take one person and one computer.only that person would have to know.if you think they are going to allow a charles manson to walk away with millions of dollars your insane. we already know its rigged. what we are trying to do here is unrig it. get it? for those who spout off that the lotto is not rigged. shame on you, you are as bad as the ones who are taking our money. i particpated once in a cover-up with the lottery. and i won. with the stupid gold break the banks remember that? in texas? there was an investigation, and the lotto people said they dont know what happened to the 40,000 packs of gold break the banks? and when the comptroller threatened them, they "found" the packs and i won 25000.00 on one of them.[punk

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                        Posted: December 10, 2003, 8:14 pm - IP Logged

                        magamillionaire,

                        Your definition of lottery matched mine....So....how does that in any way, shape or form negate the fact the lottery group is misleading the people into spending all this money on the Xtra game by not mentioning the fact the numbers are not drawn at random. If you want to say they are technically legal in what they are doing that's fine. But the fact remains they are purposely being deceptive and and I feel they would stand to lose lots of money if others knew how the game is actually run. I consider that being rigged. Maybe it's my definition of "rigged" that is incorrect.

                        Later,

                        Bryan  :)

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                          bryan, i wasnt talking to you. i was talking to jugg head. can you email me a copy of that letter?

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                            Posted: December 10, 2003, 9:48 pm - IP Logged

                            if you think lotteries are rigged than why are you here?

                            while the accounting on scratch tickets may very state to state most people here play pick 3/4/5 games or powerball/mega/state lotteries not scratch tickets since scratch tickets offer the least amount of money at the worst of odds. fixing either type of lotteries would be very difficult at best. if the Texas lottery claimed that a set of scratch tickets were lost that would hardly equal fraud. i doubt anyone would forge a scratch ticket if they worked for the lottery what would be the point considering the small amount won.

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                              Posted: December 10, 2003, 10:04 pm - IP Logged
                              Quote: Originally posted by Bryan on December 10, 2003



                              magamillionaire,

                              Your definition of lottery matched mine....So....how does that in any way, shape or form negate the fact the lottery group is misleading the people into spending all this money on the Xtra game by not mentioning the fact the numbers are not drawn at random. If you want to say they are technically legal in what they are doing that's fine. But the fact remains they are purposely being deceptive and and I feel they would stand to lose lots of money if others knew how the game is actually run. I consider that being rigged. Maybe it's my definition of "rigged" that is incorrect.

                              Later,

                              Bryan  :)






                              Bryan

                              Our definitions do agree. The Numbers or what ever the lottery is for does not have to be randomly done. The players or purchasers can be chosen randomly to win. What you are calling rigged is not the correct term for how the Xtra game is run and it is perfectly legal. As far as misleading the people the fact that it's a lottery and what they are doing is one way to run a lottery it is not necessary for them to advertise how the numbers are chosen. When you wrote them they answered you honestly.

                              Megamillionaire

                              Time is a wonderful teacher, but it kills all its students.

                              A man must consider what a rich realm he leaves when he becomes a conformist.

                                 
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