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   Are Steve Player Systems Junk like some have claimed? Seems like so many people hate steve player and claim that they tried a bunch of his systems and they dont work!   If they do not work, then why has he been in business selling new systems for the past 25 years? Surely all his business cant be from suckers who only buy 1 time from him. He must have lots of loyal students who are repeat customers. I have his catalog, he says a few of his systems usually hit once every 7 days or once in 18 days at the most.

   If I was to purchase some of his pick 3 n 4 systems, what should I expect? Should I expect to win about once a week or 2 weeks or once a year? If I buy a system and it does not work like he says it does, I will be furious! Im deciding if I want to take the risk and buy one.   

   Seems to me if he was ripping people off he would have been out of business along time ago. But then again, I dont see how any system can be so accurate as to produce hits once a week, maybe once a month.

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      Pearl,

      People want easy money.  They want someone to do the work for them...Steve Player suckers them in by promising the world.  Lottery players chase a dream and they are willing to pay for it. There are only a couple people on here that have spoken "pro Steve Player" but many have been against the systems.  I guess it is in your outlook.  Heck, Mike K has some nice programs on here that do not cost an arm and a leg and do work...maybe spotty but they do work...and if you use Steve Player's theory of Progressive betting, you should come out ahead.

      Do his systems work?  Yes they do.  But the amount of numbers you have to play just doesn't seem worth it to me. The ones he claims to just play 8 numbers a day or so you have to wait so long to get a hit.  He banks on the progressive betting system where if it doesn't hit in so many days you double your bet.  He can afford to do that, I do not choose to do it that way.  You can find systems on here that work just as well and they are "free." 

      I know Pick4master loves Steve Player.  He says he "doctors" Steve Player's system to fill his own needs.  But if I pay big bucks for a system, I want it to work, not have to fiddle with it for months, years, or more just to have it produce like I want it to. 

      Another thing that annoys me about Steve Player is he says he is a computer "geek".  Well, how come his systems are only pencil and paper?  I realize not everyone has a computer but he should have an order option for software or pencil and paper.  I don't know how the guy stays in business.  He writes a newsletter, hypes up a system with some stupid story.......and people bite.......I will never understand it. 

      The other thing is, why can't he guarantee a win in every 3 days or so if he is so darn good?  He does guarantee some systems.......but heck you got to play so many numbers the common person can't afford it.  His systems don't allow for the 2 draw a day lottery..............so you have to play all those numbers for 2 draws a day..........wow......you are getting into some bucks here.  Too risky for me.  I'd rather go to the Casino and play some Blackjack.

      Go ahead and try a system.  But make sure it doesn't cost you big bucks.  I just got word from someone about the Money Map..........junk..........Cashboards....you need to bet 18 numbers a day to cover both draws............and it does hit...maybe once every 2 weeks.........Omega Pairs he just takes the longest pair out and combines it with a digit from the last draw...........Winmaster.........junk...............Red Line.............junk............Power Cubes...you need to play 10 numbers per draw and again you need to play the 20 numbers for midday and evening draw.......does hit about once a month....junk........Hit wheels.............real junk.  These are the systems  I either have or inspected and my opinion of them.  Someone else may have other opinions but I am not a Steve Player lover............he dupes people with promises of wealth...........

      Covering my butt here:  This is a personal observation and opinion.........not a fact.  You must decide for yourself what you think of these systems. I make no guarantees.

      He is laughing all the way to the bank.

      Sandy

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        I forgot to mention this.

        I am in the state of Michigan.

        And my comments above reflect the systems that I have applied to my state.  For all I know, they may work in other states.

        I shouldn't generalize so much.  I just know what I used for Michigan just doesn't work without spending a ton of cash playing.

        Sandy

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          A mechanical system can't play at a profit over time which means the user must make a choice that will determine whether they win or lose.  If you want the system to do it all, it won't win often enough even with a progression system except when you get lucky which can happen for a few, but not for all. BobP

          Read all three pages of the Keypad system for the Pick-3 information.

          http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/keypad.html

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            Pearl,

            Any system you used to play the lottery, you would expect to work even if it was free. People even complain about not winning using numbers posted here on the forum freely.  The truth is playing the lottery is gambling and using a system doesn't change that.  If you play enough combinations, you will win something, but most people not only want to win something, they want to win more than they spend and no system can guarantee that.

            RJOh

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              thanks Sandy   k, Bobp , n rjoh for alll the info! Sandy, if i get one of Sp systems it will be a cheaper one like pyramid system or numbers cruncher!   The hitwheels are supposed to hit once a week!   thanks alot!

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                Pearl, Lottotwister here I've spent big money on steve player systems they just don't work out of the box. You have to tinker with it and make some adjustments accordingly. But for what he charges for them you shouldn't have to do that. But when I buy them I know what to expect I get ideas from them and use them with others and are very powerful. The best system in the world was gived to me and it didn't cost me anything but an hour of my time. And I've won more money with it ten times fold than any sytem I've ever bought. So my advice to you would be check out Mike k's web site look over in the pick 3 section.

                Twister.

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                  Sandy K, let me tell you a little secret, money back guarantees mean absolutely nothing. Many, many years ago I wrote and sold a "get rich quick" scheme. It never really got off the ground because I was limited to classified ads. One of the things I did was offer a double money back guarantee. And not a single person wrote back asking for their money back. Very few people actually do on anything. My "get rich quick" scheme was really a piece of crap. Steve Player loses more money than the wins on the lottery. Here is an email I received a while ago. I'll repost it.



                  Thanks for your email. "steve player" is not a real person. It's a

                  corporation more or less. This corporation claims to have a way to

                  determine what the winning numbers will be for the Pick 3/Pick 4 daily

                  numbers games. It is my understanding that "he" will sell you a computer

                  program to help you determine the winning numbers.



                  From our records, "he" has won just about $296,000. To win this, we have

                  determined that "he" has spent about $500,000. The Pick 3/Pick 4 tickets

                  are purchased at a particular lottery retailer or two in our state.

                  Therefore, when we see large sales at that retailer, we know tickets have

                  been purchased on behalf of "steve player". This is the way we have

                  determined that he has spent $500,000 to win $296,000.



                  If you have any other questions, please feel free to respond to this email.

                  Thanks for your interest.



                  Maura McCann, Director of Marketing

                  New Hampshire Lottery

                  14 Integra Drive

                  Concord, NH 03301

                  Tel: 603-271-3391

                  Fax: 603-271-1160


                  Okay, now I believe you can predict lottery numbers

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                    lottotwister, thanks, ill check out mikeks site, but none of his free systems are working now. about the steve player systems, which ones do you consider to be the best for the pick 3? even the ones you had to finne tweak, which have the most potential?

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                      TC:

                      This is the second time I've read this email from the New Hampshire lottery. While I don't doubt its validity, I think it's interesting that I have sent two previous requests to Opcom asking for a response. I've been a Steve Player customer for several years now and, like Pick-4_Master, I enjoy tinkering with his pencil and paper systems, as they give me insight into the daily games one can't get from software. Admittedly, I have had limited success with these methods, but that's better than no success. However, since the question has been posed as to his true nature, i.e., whether he is a man who plays the lottery or a corporation selling lottery systems, I think he owes it to his current and potential customers to address this issue directly. If your allegations prove to be correct, I believe a good case can be made for mail fraud for anyone seeking a refund which, as you know, he doesn't offer for his high-end systems. Below is my latest, and final, appeal for an answer. I sent your post as well. 

                       

                       

                      Following is the most recent post concerning "Steve Player" and his systems. I'm writing again to give you one last chance to clear up this matter before I forward this to Erin Moriarty of 48 Hours.

                      Please log onto www.lotterypost.com, move your pointer to "Forums" and click on "Lottery Systems" to respond to this accusation. If it's true, admit it. If it's not, then respond and remove any doubt. Supposedly, this is an email from the New Hampshire lottery. Is it true? If I am unable to read your response by Monday, March 29, 2004, I will assume you have no defense and will expose you. If you think I'm bluffing, just ignore this email. If you won't talk to us, you can explain it to the press.

                      Jim 

                       

                      Quote: Originally posted by Thomas Covenant on March 24, 2004






                      Sandy K, let me tell you a little secret, money back guarantees mean absolutely nothing. Many, many years ago I wrote and sold a "get rich quick" scheme. It never really got off the ground because I was limited to classified ads. One of the things I did was offer a double money back guarantee. And not a single person wrote back asking for their money back. Very few people actually do on anything. My "get rich quick" scheme was really a piece of crap. Steve Player loses more money than the wins on the lottery. Here is an email I received a while ago. I'll repost it.

                      Thanks for your email. "steve player" is not a real person. It's a
                      corporation more or less. This corporation claims to have a way to
                      determine what the winning numbers will be for the Pick 3/Pick 4 daily
                      numbers games. It is my understanding that "he" will sell you a computer
                      program to help you determine the winning numbers.

                      From our records, "he" has won just about $296,000. To win this, we have
                      determined that "he" has spent about $500,000. The Pick 3/Pick 4 tickets
                      are purchased at a particular lottery retailer or two in our state.
                      Therefore, when we see large sales at that retailer, we know tickets have
                      been purchased on behalf of "steve player". This is the way we have
                      determined that he has spent $500,000 to win $296,000.

                      If you have any other questions, please feel free to respond to this email.
                      Thanks for your interest.

                      Maura McCann, Director of Marketing
                      New Hampshire Lottery
                      14 Integra Drive
                      Concord, NH 03301
                      Tel: 603-271-3391
                      Fax: 603-271-1160





                      Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                      Jim

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                        What do you mean, "...there's no Santa?" Who started this vicious rumor? Easter is nearly upon us, and then the Christmas decorations go up (yippee). Post a retraction of your lies, or you'll get nothing but a lump of coal. Personally, I wouldn't risk it... 

                        Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                        Jim

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                          Jim695, I'm sure he's a real person! He admits it in his catalog that he turned the company over to "Opcom" But he still has some ownership in it. My big question that I feel he should answer honestly is: WHY DO YOU NOT GIVE A MONEYBACK GUARANTEE WITH ALL YOUR SYSTEMS and WHY CANT YOU GUARANTEE A WIN LIKE ONCE A WEEK and DO YOU SPEND MORE MONEY ON BUYING TICKETS THAN YOU ACTUALLY WIN?   I know he gives a guarantee with 3 of his systems, but why not the expensive systems $50 to $500? And if his systems do not work as good as he hypes them up in the ads, he should expect customers to get mad. He should tell people honestly how often each system hits! If it's just once a month he should admit it, at least people wont be disapointed. I'm sure he's a rich man. I'm not saying he's bad or good, I don't know nothing about his systems other than what people tell me. His systems just sound WAY to good to be true! If his systems worked liked he claimed, then we would all leave our dayjobs and make 10 thousand bucks a week playing the lottery.

                             I also suspect he spends more than he wins. He only shows people his winning tickets, not the losing tickets. Unless he is using secret formulas that he has not told his customers about. I just hope this isnt true that he spends more on buying tickets than the amount he wins.

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                            "Opcom" doesn't make money buying lottery tickets, if it did, it wouldn't be selling lottery systems.  State lotteries make their money on lottery losers, if anyone could guarantee that most lottery players would not lose money in the long run than lotteries would cease to exist.  Many will play and only a few will win, that is how lotteries work.

                            RJOh

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                              Quote: Originally posted by pearl on March 25, 2004


                              Jim695, I'm sure he's a real person! He admits it in his catalog that he turned the company over to "Opcom" But he still has some ownership in it. My big question that I feel he should answer honestly is: WHY DO YOU NOT GIVE A MONEYBACK GUARANTEE WITH ALL YOUR SYSTEMS and WHY CANT YOU GUARANTEE A WIN LIKE ONCE A WEEK and DO YOU SPEND MORE MONEY ON BUYING TICKETS THAN YOU ACTUALLY WIN?   I know he gives a guarantee with 3 of his systems, but why not the expensive systems $50 to $500? And if his systems do not work as good as he hypes them up in the ads, he should expect customers to get mad. He should tell people honestly how often each system hits! If it's just once a month he should admit it, at least people wont be disapointed. I'm sure he's a rich man. I'm not saying he's bad or good, I don't know nothing about his systems other than what people tell me. His systems just sound WAY to good to be true! If his systems worked liked he claimed, then we would all leave our dayjobs and make 10 thousand bucks a week playing the lottery.
                                 I also suspect he spends more than he wins. He only shows people his winning tickets, not the losing tickets. Unless he is using secret formulas that he has not told his customers about. I just hope this isnt true that he spends more on buying tickets than the amount he wins.


                              It helps to read the ad copy for Steve's systems very carefully as he is very careful about what he says and how he says it. 

                              Once you have a system of his and you go back and read the ad to see how such a system could do what he claimmed, you will find your mind "filled in the blanks" assuming things about the system that just aren't in there.

                              You can be sure his systems do exactly what he says and not what you think he said.  It might rather sound casual for him to say you need pick only one digit of the Pick-3 correctly to win and assume you can use all three from the previous draw to win 80% of the time and you will, but you'll lose money over all because the system only returns a small profit if you have exactly one digit correct to play against all the other possible pairings.

                              From the system seller's point of view:  You buy a system for $500.00, it cost you nothing because the first straight win pays you $500.00 and that cost you one dollar so the system was free to you.  (And you want a guarantee and a refund of $500.00 for a system that only cost you one dollar, hardly. ;-)

                              The system consits of ten lucky numbers to play straight daily, you wanna see them?  Ok here they are: 149, 157,  236,  280, 368, 360, 459, 479, 679, 689.

                              Instructions are to play them straight for a dollar a draw, if they win before you've spent $300.00 put $300.00 in the playing kiddy and write yourself a paycheck of what's left.  If you've spent $300.00 in 30 days and haven't won yet, start playing each number for $1.50 each until you've spent a total of . . . and so it goes.  You will either win and recover with profit dventually or reach a point of total meltdown where getting a $500.00 refund is the least of your worries.

                              Another system would be to use the winnings to increase the amount played on each number spread over 30 days.  Let's say Steve does this and wins several times big enough to advertise and then on the next series loses it all.  It remains true he did win real money up to the point where he lost.  Knowing when to take the money and walk away is the most important part of any winning strategy.  BobP