Stolen lottery ticket trial underway in Chicago

Comment #41

libra926 — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:41:15 GMT

Friday....16thActually, playing as a member of a collective body shall we say, can be great fun, because more numbers are being played, and additional funds added to sweeten the kitty .There are times when I play in that type of Group.....we simply look on the Internet and in the Newspaper to verify our tickets......We also agree as a group that if we ever find ourselves fortunate enough to win, we will hire a Limosine to take our collective bodies to Lottery Headquarters to claim our winn... [ More ]

Comment #40

libra926 — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:26:11 GMT

Friday....16thOn the 14th I indicated.......As previously mentioned your multiple postings on this issue has given us an accurate accounting of what took place......however I must again share my feeling w/you: It's always best to hire an Attorney to either claim the winnings for you, or stand with you as you claim them.(ADDENDUM) If I should ever be so fortunate as to win any major Lottery, whether it be for 15$$$$$$ or 100$$$$$$ or anything above, this Drama won't play out, because I'll take th... [ More ]

Comment #39

awesomo2000 — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:24:24 GMT

Libra, you are correct. Let the lesson be learned. Don't play the lottery in pools, and if you do, make sure to check your own tickets. I learned the hard way.

Comment #38

libra926 — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:11:16 GMT

Having read the story:Woman found guilty of stealing winning lottery ticket/ and the one preceding it.....the whole story was never clearly given until getting the chance to read your postings....I have now had the chance to read all your postings on this issue and stand corrected....The LP Stories never gave us the information as you gave it, not even a summary as you gave it, which left some of us w/the positions we took, however.....The Boss was still stupid for letting her handle this...

Comment #37

danamukie$ — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:26:58 GMT

Barista go make us all a latte. Don't give us alatte b.s.

Comment #36

danamukie$ — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:14:47 GMT

maybe just maybe there was just too much obvious evidence! You Think

Comment #35

BaristaExpress — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:55:18 GMT

Dora did have the winning $175K ticket validated at the very store that the traders bought all of their tickets from in the first place. And many of the people in the store saw her acknowledge that she just had the $175K winning ticket validated! Yes, she was guilty before the trial (because of the many wittinesses in the store) and ultimately she was found guilty by her peers in a court of law! May she get the maximum sentence and spend every bit of it reflecting back on her bad decision to ste... [ More ]

Comment #34

danamukie$ — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:43:38 GMT

After reading all the newspapers and the lottery forum its so obvious that the truth has finally come out about this woman: and what people think of her from both who know her and those who have come to a pretty good conclusion of her. I've read that she has been deceitful even trying to make a few extra dollars on some water. I ve said it before she saw another oppurtunity to make some money-some real money and jumped on the chace, got scared and didn't know what to do but try and cover her tra... [ More ]

Comment #33

awesomo2000 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:45:24 GMT

You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners. You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora.

Comment #32

libra926 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:44:54 GMT

D .............12/15/05I too believe LEAL should have been given the benefit of the doubt .....as this winning ticket has never surfaced, and the DUMB TRADERS using the paperwork were able to claim the prize anyway......However, she obviously has some even DUMBER ATTYS because had they emphatically used your argument and expounded on it, there's no way the jury should have sent her to prison.....(ADDENDUM)If I should ever be so fortunate as to win any major Lottery, whether it be for 15... [ More ]

Comment #31

libra926 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:32:11 GMT

HAPPY THURSDAY.........12/15IN A PREVIOUS POST....FOR THE INITIAL STORY ABOUT THIS WOMAN FROM YESTERDAY...12/14, i SITED THIS:Posted: Yesterday, 4:49 pm - IP Logged Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on December 14, 2005 The problem that I have is our justice system. It works for those who have the money to buy the lawyers that know how to use the law. There are many individuals and corporations who steal thousands times more than she and come out squeaky clean.She is a dumb thief who needed a

Comment #30

libra926 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:22:02 GMT

THURSDAY...12/15Point very well made....if Leal could have afforded excellent Legal Representation, her Lawyers would have made the same arguments that DEMONTER made in a couple of his postings on this issue.......................

Comment #29

justxploring — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:13:29 GMT

Agree with Txwinr. This story is such a shame. Most people are not that dishonest. I was part of a company pool for years and even sent money to the factory after my office was closed. These were good, hard-working people. I think it's important however to have very clear rules that everyone agrees to and make copies or scan each ticket purchased so all members have copies. The ticket is a bearer instrument, but having a copy should prove it was stolen. I've been unemployed for a few months an... [ More ]

Comment #28

BaristaExpress — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:07:41 GMT

Now awesomo2000, I made my comments about the court system, because of someone saying this or that about being innocent until being proven guilty! We all know that's a bunch of bull (the innocent line)! You're guilty until proven innocent and that's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be! No one can honestly say it's not like that, because they know within their own hearts, that's exactly how our justice system sees the accused! That's it in a nut shell, nothing more or le... [ More ]

Comment #27

danamukie$ — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:02:05 GMT

Agree

Comment #26

txwinr — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:41:28 GMT

ugh, i'm getting old, a few years ago was actually in 1994

Comment #25

txwinr — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:40:36 GMT

A few years ago in Texas, while I lived in NM, would drive to el paso to shop and sometimes pick up a ticket. Well, being the naive person I was, I never thought to find out how much 4 of 6 was worth, I thought it would be about 80 dollars, think tx was parimutual or something, but I handed my unsigned ticket to the clerk for her to check and viola, she says You won 5 dollars! SO I was surprised, i know i had 4 right, but i didn't call her on it, got all the way back to NM and found out the pa... [ More ]

Comment #24

demonter — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:12:15 GMT

She was found guilty...the circunstances led the jury that way and the defense's story was garbage. Pathetic what can happen to people's judgement when clouded by greed.What I learned from this case: never trust another person to check your tickets for you. I check all my tickets online myself each day. When I have a winner I already know what I am getting paid. Another dumb thing some people do is give your unsigned tickets to the store clerks to check for you by running them through the Lott... [ More ]

Comment #23

danamukie$ — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:35:42 GMT

after reading forum seems like Mr. Tobin cared about her and her family at first by trying to get her to do the right thing. To bad she didn't care for her family as he did. What a disgrace! To bad her daughters faces were all over tv for everyone to see. How embaressind to have a mommy like that

Comment #22

awesomo2000 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:11:14 GMT

She was found guilty yesterday. Sentencing is on Jan. 8th. She did have criminal intent. It was obvious. Read my other posts.

Comment #21

demonter — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:51:54 GMT

Is she convicted already or accused? If the jury is convinced by the collaborating testimony of the witness for the State, she is found guilty. If the jury isn't convinced by the testimony and/or evidence presented by the prosecution she walks. According to the article the trial is under way and not over. Her defense attorney claims she lost the ticket. Is the jury going to beleive that single fact or not? This is the essence of the case. All because several people saw her win, but she could no... [ More ]

Comment #20

awesomo2000 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:04:58 GMT

Raven,The 16 traders (including myself) all worked the the top left section of the OEX pit (the SP100 options pit) at the CBOE during the incident. I worked for Wolverine Trading (www.wolve.com) at the time. If you go to www.cboe.com and play the options report you can actually see some of the traders involved in the incident in the background. Look for the group of guys in blue jackets. They are Lakeshore, a brokerage firm. From your vantage point, if you look to the right of those traders... [ More ]

Comment #19

Raven62 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:36:48 GMT

I don't believe you are who you say you are!awesomo2000Chicago, ILUnited StatesMember #28675December 13, 2005 A witness against the accused anonymously appears here (New Member) to participate in this Lottery Post thread: I think NOT.They say that a person who has to resort to insults in a discussion has already lost the discussion.

Comment #18

Iesha Kelly — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:30:17 GMT

between her pocketing the $175,000 ticket and handing over only $17 worth to her boss, and this She claimed ingorance at this point saying she didn't know she won the $175 thousand (even though we had a copy of the ticket with her signature on the back), the b**** is guilty and deserves to do hard time. Unbelieveable. Unfreakingbelieveable.

Comment #17

awesomo2000 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:52:29 GMT

Raven,You're an idiot. She lied at every step of the way. She changed her story at least three times. The store owner testified that Dora signed the ticket, began the paperwork and then put the ticket in her front jacket pocket. I SAW HER WIN MYSELF! When she returned to the trading floor she gave a stack of tickets to her boss and told him his winnings equaled $17, failing to mention the $175,000 ticket that she won not 20 minutes beforehand. How much more proof of deception do you need.... [ More ]

Comment #16

Raven62 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:22:54 GMT

Yes, it's an open and shut case of a missing Lottery Ticket, but where's the proof that she took the ticket with the intention of cashing it in and defrauding the rightful winners from their pize money? For all you know her boss lost the Ticket and she became a scapegoat to his plan to still collect the winnings from the Lottery Commission without presentation of the actual ticket. Winning Lottery Tickets are Bearer Instruments which will not be Honored without the Actual Ticket, unless of cours... [ More ]

Comment #15

awesomo2000 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:10:39 GMT

I am one of 16 traders whom Dora attempted to cheat. I testified in court on Monday during the trial. Out of 175 tickets, all chronologically ordered by number and time purchased, only the $175 grand ticket was missing. There were multiple people in the store when she won (including myself). The store owner testified that Dora told her to keep quiet about Dora winning. Other people who were in the store told me (two years ago when it happened) that Dora told them the same thing. Afterwards... [ More ]

Comment #14

TheGameGrl — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:56:15 GMT

Riddle me this Demonter- Why would the courts allow this case to be set for trial IF there was NO validity to the allegations or some evidence to present? A person can actually be tried for murder without the weapon or the body. So why cant this women be tried even if the ticket isnt in her possession or ever found

Comment #13

BaristaExpress — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:04:02 GMT

Remember-You are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty.Come-on get real here. Everyone knows that the Justice system says you are Innocent until proven guilty! But we all know that's a LIE! Most people in the United States agree, if for some reason you are accused of wrong doing in our Justice system you are guilty until proven Innocent . Justice in this country isn't blind (like they say it is), it's Judgmental and that alone is what makes you guilty until proven innocent! And that's just s... [ More ]

Comment #12

demonter — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:28:13 GMT

She claims she lost the winning ticket.She did not cash in the winning ticket.Who can prove she stole the ticket?There is no solid proof of a misdeed; a jury must under the rules, assume a defendant is innocent unless the state can prove otherwise. I say she walks.

Comment #11

TheGameGrl — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:57:53 GMT

Deception-guilty. Committing an act of fraud- guilty. Need there be more to this case? Hmmm...This is a case that most prosecutors long for. Open and shut.

Comment #10

qutgnt — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:28:15 GMT

She was going to turn it in herself or have a friend do it, but when the heat was on and it was obvious she wasnt going to be able to cash it, it magically disappeared. All the tickets out of the 38 or so they had are accounted for except the winner. They have a photocopy of the ticket. cause that is what they do on floor. Everyone pools money together and then everyone gets copies of the tickets.

Comment #9

Raven62 — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:17:26 GMT

Except in this forum where she is Guilty until proven Guilty.Unless she presented the Ticket for Payment it's going to be difficult to prove that she stole it.

Comment #8

demonter — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:39:56 GMT

This is a crazy case. She claims to have given her boss the paperwork, but lost the ticket? Now they are paying off the winners...based on the paper work, and not the actual ticket? I was recently a juror on a criminal case and I can tell you that the defense and prosecution have two totally opposing stories; unless it looks as if the clerk really stole the winning ticket a slam-dunk conviction is not guaranteed. Remember-You are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty. Strange case...

Comment #7

Lurk More N00b — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:53:50 GMT

For the love of money is the root of all evil. Timothy, 6:10 If she were a cartoon, you would have seen the little cash registers cha-chinging in her eyes when she read that ticket. That's when the little evil-self sitting on her shoulder told her to Go ahead! They'll never find out! And the little good-self on the other shoulder was too busy to intervene, thinking of a new BMW, a second story on the house, a bigger swimming pool...

Comment #6

CASH Only — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:29:38 GMT

She'll have time to WRITE a long sentence if she's convicted. If the warden gives her pens and enough paper

Comment #5

Iesha Kelly — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:06:47 GMT

I hope she does jail time, too. a long sentence. that's just wrong.

Comment #4

fxsterling — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:59:09 GMT

i miss alcots and that hot dog stand next to cals gutgut knows the lady should have known better

Comment #3

Chewie — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:05:31 GMT

Not the first person, nor the last, who put up a false front. I am sure she told her children to be upstanding. I prefer people who don't switch on a dime - or for a dime.

Comment #2

qutgnt — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:26:11 GMT

I used to work on the trading floor at the cboe and knew Rich Tobin a little bit. An extremely nice man. I would answer his phones once in a while and he would sometimes buy us lunch. He is a big shot on the floor there,and he took care of his clerks. This Dora woman you could just tell was a slimy woman who I dont doubt took this ticket for herself as no one would know. These traders got lucky that she was so dumb to check it at the store in the cboe where other traders in line saw when she sca... [ More ]

Comment #1

BabyJC — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:48:59 GMT

I remember this case when it first happened and hope that this woman does jail time. What she did was very low

Stolen lottery ticket trial underway in Chicago

Lottery Post — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:30:01 GMT

The trial began Monday for a woman accused of stealing a winning lottery ticket from her co-workers. The Mega Millions prize was worth $178,000. The winning ticket is still missing.There was no violence involved in this case, and the person on trial was actually given at one point the item she is accused of stealing. Nonetheless, this two-year-old lottery controversy has found its way to the Cook County Criminal Courts Building.The 46-year-old wife and mother of two adult daughters sat at the de... [ More ]