The trial began Monday for a woman accused of stealing a winning lottery ticket from her co-workers. The Mega Millions prize was worth $178,000. The winning ticket is still missing.
There was no violence involved in this case, and the person on trial was actually given at one point the item she is accused of stealing. Nonetheless, this two-year-old lottery controversy has found its way to the Cook County Criminal Courts Building.
The 46-year-old wife and mother of two adult daughters sat at the defense table sometimes shaking her head as prosecution witnesses testified. Dora Leal, a former clerk at the Chicago Board Options Exchange, is accused of stealing a winning lottery ticket purchased by 16 traders in late 2003.
Leal's boss, trader Richard Tobin, had sent Leal to a lobby convenience store to find out if any of the 38 tickets he and the other traders bought as a group had won.
The store owner testified that after she told Leal that one of the tickets had won $175,000, Leal was hugging and high-fiving other customers but later told Tobin that the tickets he gave her had won only $17.
Leal's attorney told the jury his client had not stolen anything and certainly never cashed the lottery ticket. He also insisted Leal gave Tobin the paper work documenting the lottery win but simply could not find the ticket, which two years later still has not surfaced.
Options trader Richard Tobin also testified Monday that the Illinois lottery is in the process of paying him and the other 15 traders who bought the missing ticket, because the ticket apparently was registered as a winner by the store owner after Leal turned in it.
Finally, we are told Leal will testify on her own behalf some time Tuesday. Then the judge says he hopes the jury will deliberate on this case on Wednesday to decide guilt or innocence in the lottery controversy.
I remember this case when it first happened and hope that this woman does jail time. What she did was very low!
I used to work on the trading floor at the cboe and knew Rich Tobin a little bit. An extremely nice man. I would answer his phones once in a while and he would sometimes buy us lunch. He is a big shot on the floor there,and he took care of his clerks. This Dora woman you could just tell was a slimy woman who I dont doubt took this ticket for herself as no one would know. These traders got lucky that she was so dumb to check it at the store in the cboe where other traders in line saw when she scanned the ticket in the self checking terminal and it came back saying 175k winner. I think the group had 190 bucks worth of tickets and had them photocopied and the ticket in question she claims she never checked. These traders dont need the money but the principle of having a long time clerk betray you like that is pretty bad. She would have gotten a nice tip for sure. But now her life is ruined.
Not the first person, nor the last, who put up a false front. I am sure she told her children to be upstanding. I prefer people who don't switch on a dime - or for a dime.
i miss alcots and that hot dog stand next to cals gutgut knows the lady should have known better
I remember this case when it first happened and hope that this woman does jail time. What she did was very low!
I hope she does jail time, too. a long sentence. that's just wrong.
I remember this case when it first happened and hope that this woman does jail time. What she did was very low!
I hope she does jail time, too. a long sentence. that's just wrong.
She'll have time to WRITE a long sentence if she's convicted. If the warden gives her pens and enough paper
“For the love of money is the root of all evil.” Timothy, 6:10
If she were a cartoon, you would have seen the little cash registers cha-chinging in her eyes when she read that ticket. That's when the little evil-self sitting on her shoulder told her to "Go ahead! They'll never find out!" And the little good-self on the other shoulder was too busy to intervene, thinking of a new BMW, a second story on the house, a bigger swimming pool...
This is a crazy case. She claims to have given her boss the paperwork, but lost the ticket? Now they are paying off the winners...based on the paper work, and not the actual ticket? I was recently a juror on a criminal case and I can tell you that the defense and prosecution have two totally opposing stories; unless it looks as if the clerk really stole the winning ticket a slam-dunk conviction is not guaranteed. Remember-You are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty. Strange case...
Except in this forum where she is Guilty until proven Guilty.
Unless she presented the Ticket for Payment it's going to be difficult to prove that she stole it.
She was going to turn it in herself or have a friend do it, but when the heat was on and it was obvious she wasnt going to be able to cash it, it magically disappeared. All the tickets out of the 38 or so they had are accounted for except the winner. They have a photocopy of the ticket. cause that is what they do on floor. Everyone pools money together and then everyone gets copies of the tickets.
Deception-guilty. Committing an act of fraud- guilty. Need there be more to this case? Hmmm...This is a case that most prosecutors long for. Open and shut.
She claims she lost the winning ticket.
She did not cash in the winning ticket.
Who can prove she stole the ticket?
There is no solid proof of a misdeed; a jury must under the rules, assume a defendant is innocent unless the state can prove otherwise. I say she walks.
Remember-You are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty.
Come-on get real here. Everyone knows that the Justice system says you are "Innocent" until proven guilty! But we all know that's a LIE! Most people in the United States agree, if for some reason you are accused of wrong doing in our Justice system you are guilty until proven "Innocent". Justice in this country isn't blind (like they say it is), it's "Judgmental" and that alone is what makes you guilty until proven innocent! And that's just sickening beyond belief.
Riddle me this Demonter- Why would the courts allow this case to be set for trial IF there was NO validity to the allegations or some evidence to present? A person can actually be tried for murder without the weapon or the body. So why cant this women be tried even if the ticket isnt in her possession or ever found?
I am one of 16 traders whom Dora attempted to cheat. I testified in court on Monday during the trial. Out of 175 tickets, all chronologically ordered by number and time purchased, only the $175 grand ticket was missing. There were multiple people in the store when she won (including myself). The store owner testified that Dora told her to keep quiet about Dora winning. Other people who were in the store told me (two years ago when it happened) that Dora told them the same thing. Afterwards I told the other 15 traders that I saw Rich Tobin's clerk win $175 thousand. They then told me that she was indeed checking our tickets, of which I was previously unaware. When her boss confronted her she replied that it was her friend who won, not her. This was her first of many lies. I then told her that I was behind her in line, and saw her win. We then made a quick check of the tickets and realized that there was one ticket missing, which obviously was the winning ticket. At this point she was busted and knew it. This is when she must've destryed or thrown away the ticket in an attempt to get rid of her incriminating evidence. Her boss tried to reason with her. He pleaded with her to give us the ticket. He told her that he understood how the emotion of winning the ticket could overwhelm her into making a bad decision. He assured her that nothing would happen to her and she would even keep her job if she would simply give us the ticket. She claimed ingorance at this point saying she didn't know she won the $175 thousand (even though we had a copy of the ticket with her signature on the back), that maybe Tobin lost it, blah, blah, blah...
In short, she tried to cheat her employer of six years, and got caught. She is a dispicable, completely untrustworthy person. The evidence against her was overwhelming, and everybody knew it! It took the jury 2 hours to find her guilty, which is really a testament to her attourney. It should've taken 2 minutes.
Barista, you gotta come back to reality kid. Your rant may have a point or two regarding the courst system in general, but it has no relevance to this case. She was overwhelmingly guilty.
Also, regarding the above comment about the traders not needing the money: ummm...what? I am a trader, and I promise you, I need the money. There are a few very successful traders in the 16, but most of us are just average guys like all of you.
Deception-guilty. Committing an act of fraud- guilty. Need there be more to this case? Hmmm...This is a case that most prosecutors long for. Open and shut.
Yes, it's an open and shut case of a missing Lottery Ticket, but where's the proof that she took the ticket with the intention of cashing it in and defrauding the rightful winners from their pize money? For all you know her boss lost the Ticket and she became a scapegoat to his plan to still collect the winnings from the Lottery Commission without presentation of the actual ticket. Winning Lottery Tickets are Bearer Instruments which will not be Honored without the Actual Ticket, unless of course you have documentation that the Ticket was Stolen. What better documentation could you have than Court Proceedings and the Conviction of an Innocent Person.
Raven,
You're an idiot. She lied at every step of the way. She changed her story at least three times. The store owner testified that Dora signed the ticket, began the paperwork and then put the ticket in her front jacket pocket. I SAW HER WIN MYSELF! When she returned to the trading floor she gave a stack of tickets to her boss and told him his winnings equaled $17, failing to mention the $175,000 ticket that she won not 20 minutes beforehand. How much more proof of deception do you need. Her old boss is really a nice, completely trustworthy, and great guy! Furthermore his top notch reputation on the floor is worth way more than $175 thousand. He would never steal from his coworkers/friends. That simply isn't the type of person he is. Unlike Dora, he cares about his emplyees and coworkers. For example, Dora's job had for years before the incident been obsolete. He simply didn't need her. Not one bit. She kept her job because Mr. Tobin knew she had a family and needed the salary and medical insurance. That's the type of guy he is. If you really believe what you posted, you're an idiot and arguing with you is pointless. One can't rationalize with an irrational person.
I'm out.
Raven,
You're an idiot. She lied at every step of the way. She changed her story at least three times. The store owner testified that Dora signed the ticket, began the paperwork and then put the ticket in her front jacket pocket. I SAW HER WIN MYSELF! When she returned to the trading floor she gave a stack of tickets to her boss and told him his winnings equaled $17, failing to mention the $175,000 ticket that she won not 20 minutes beforehand. How much more proof of deception do you need. Her old boss is really a nice, completely trustworthy, and great guy! Furthermore his top notch reputation on the floor is worth way more than $175 thousand. He would never steal from his coworkers/friends. That simply isn't the type of person he is. Unlike Dora, he cares about his emplyees and coworkers. For example, Dora's job had for years before the incident been obsolete. He simply didn't need her. Not one bit. She kept her job because Mr. Tobin knew she had a family and needed the salary and medical insurance. That's the type of guy he is. If you really believe what you posted, you're an idiot and arguing with you is pointless. One can't rationalize with an irrational person.
I'm out.
between her pocketing the $175,000 ticket and handing over only $17 worth to her boss, and this
"She claimed ingorance at this point saying she didn't know she won the $175 thousand (even though we had a copy of the ticket with her signature on the back),"
the b**** is guilty and deserves to do hard time. Unbelieveable. Unfreakingbelieveable.
Raven,
You're an idiot. She lied at every step of the way. She changed her story at least three times. The store owner testified that Dora signed the ticket, began the paperwork and then put the ticket in her front jacket pocket. I SAW HER WIN MYSELF! When she returned to the trading floor she gave a stack of tickets to her boss and told him his winnings equaled $17, failing to mention the $175,000 ticket that she won not 20 minutes beforehand. How much more proof of deception do you need. Her old boss is really a nice, completely trustworthy, and great guy! Furthermore his top notch reputation on the floor is worth way more than $175 thousand. He would never steal from his coworkers/friends. That simply isn't the type of person he is. Unlike Dora, he cares about his emplyees and coworkers. For example, Dora's job had for years before the incident been obsolete. He simply didn't need her. Not one bit. She kept her job because Mr. Tobin knew she had a family and needed the salary and medical insurance. That's the type of guy he is. If you really believe what you posted, you're an idiot and arguing with you is pointless. One can't rationalize with an irrational person.
I'm out.
I don't believe you are who you say you are!
awesomo2000
Chicago, IL
United States
Member #28675
December 13, 2005
A witness against the accused anonymously appears here (New Member) to participate in this Lottery Post thread: I think NOT.
They say that a person who has to resort to insults in a discussion has already lost the discussion.
Raven,
The 16 traders (including myself) all worked the the top left section of the OEX pit (the SP100 options pit) at the CBOE during the incident. I worked for Wolverine Trading (www.wolve.com) at the time. If you go to www.cboe.com and play the options report you can actually see some of the traders involved in the incident in the background. Look for the group of guys in blue jackets. They are Lakeshore, a brokerage firm. From your vantage point, if you look to the right of those traders in the baby blue you will see some of the traders involved in this case. That is where I used to stand as a trader in the OEX pit. How do I know these things? Well, it is because I am indeed one of those 16 traders and was indeed behind her in line at the A & B Tobacco store at 440 S. La Salle St. in Chicago (the CBOE building), which is why I was asked to be one of the three traders who testified in court on Monday. I no longer work there, which is why I can post on this thread without having to worry about waking up at 7 AM like I did as an options trader. You don't have to believe who I am. That's really not important. Just read the articles. They are pretty accurate, except that we had around 175 tickets, not 38. We each chipped in $10, and had maybe $15 rolled over from the week before, which is why I am not sure of the exact number of tickets. Dora is the definition of guilty. That's all that is important. I am simply trying to give extra, inside details of this case that you wouldn't otherwise get from internet reports.
Is she convicted already or accused? If the jury is convinced by the collaborating testimony of the witness for the State, she is found guilty. If the jury isn't convinced by the testimony and/or evidence presented by the prosecution she walks. According to the article the trial is under way and not over. Her defense attorney claims she lost the ticket. Is the jury going to beleive that single fact or not? This is the essence of the case. All because several people saw her win, but she could not later produce the winning ticket,doesn't prove her INTENT was the criminal act of stealing. I think that will the defense's central argument here. It can go either way in these cases...but proving her intent in court is not always so easy if the defense counsel is a good, experienced trial lawyer. My bet is that SHE WALKS.
She was found guilty yesterday. Sentencing is on Jan. 8th. She did have criminal intent. It was obvious. Read my other posts.
after reading forum seems like Mr. Tobin cared about her and her family at first by trying to get her to do the right thing. To bad she didn't care for her family as he did. What a disgrace! To bad her daughters faces were all over tv for everyone to see. How embaressind to have a mommy like that
She was found guilty...the circunstances led the jury that way and the defense's story was garbage. Pathetic what can happen to people's judgement when clouded by greed.
What I learned from this case: never trust another person to check your tickets for you. I check all my tickets online myself each day. When I have a winner I already know what I am getting paid. Another dumb thing some people do is give your unsigned tickets to the store clerks to check for you by running them through the Lottery Machine. Is that an inviation for another case of fraud if a slight of hand clerk grabs a winning ticket and tells the player it's a loser?
My folks and bother do that all the time; they trust the person behind the counter will not pull a stunt...forget it.
Check your own tickets, keep your own records and be smart.
A few years ago in Texas, while I lived in NM, would drive to el paso to shop and sometimes pick up a ticket. Well, being the naive person I was, I never thought to find out how much 4 of 6 was worth, I thought it would be about 80 dollars, think tx was parimutual or something, but I handed my unsigned ticket to the clerk for her to check and viola, she says You won 5 dollars! SO I was surprised, i know i had 4 right, but i didn't call her on it, got all the way back to NM and found out the payout was $105!!!!!!!!!!!! She kept hte 100 for herself. At the time TX didn't have a payout of 5 dollars for any prize and i was sure of the 4 of 6. But since it was 2 hours from home and i didn't remember where we had gotten gas and checked my tickets, I didn't pursue it. I figured she'd pay for it somehow, i'm a firm believer in things catching up to you when you screw someone over. And from that day on I signed my tickets or checked to know for sure what my winnings were (by asking to see the slip that spits out when you win or the numbers in the newspaper). Learned my lesson the hard way but basically can't trust some people. I've also been the organizer of a couple of workplace lottery pools and I always always ALWAYS made copies of the tickets (even after the boss said it was inappropriate to use workplace copier, i'd take them home and scan them/copy for people) and since everyone has email now, I always sent out copies of the tickets before the drawings and i always asked people to doublecheck them, because i have missed a number or two, not anything major, but 2 or 3 dollars. it's unfortunate that this woman took advantage of her boss and coworkers, it really is. I enjoyed my office pool, we had a lot of fun with it. Still do, I've moved, but I still am part of the pool. It's just such a shame when you see people's greed overtake them and lie. Doesn't sound like there is any question at all aobut this Dora, she's done something despicable and will have to live with it, plus the shame to her whole family.
ugh, i'm getting old, a few years ago was actually in 1994!
ugh, i'm getting old, a few years ago was actually in 1994!
Agree
I am one of 16 traders whom Dora attempted to cheat. I testified in court on Monday during the trial. Out of 175 tickets, all chronologically ordered by number and time purchased, only the $175 grand ticket was missing. There were multiple people in the store when she won (including myself). The store owner testified that Dora told her to keep quiet about Dora winning. Other people who were in the store told me (two years ago when it happened) that Dora told them the same thing. Afterwards I told the other 15 traders that I saw Rich Tobin's clerk win $175 thousand. They then told me that she was indeed checking our tickets, of which I was previously unaware. When her boss confronted her she replied that it was her friend who won, not her. This was her first of many lies. I then told her that I was behind her in line, and saw her win. We then made a quick check of the tickets and realized that there was one ticket missing, which obviously was the winning ticket. At this point she was busted and knew it. This is when she must've destryed or thrown away the ticket in an attempt to get rid of her incriminating evidence. Her boss tried to reason with her. He pleaded with her to give us the ticket. He told her that he understood how the emotion of winning the ticket could overwhelm her into making a bad decision. He assured her that nothing would happen to her and she would even keep her job if she would simply give us the ticket. She claimed ingorance at this point saying she didn't know she won the $175 thousand (even though we had a copy of the ticket with her signature on the back), that maybe Tobin lost it, blah, blah, blah...
In short, she tried to cheat her employer of six years, and got caught. She is a dispicable, completely untrustworthy person. The evidence against her was overwhelming, and everybody knew it! It took the jury 2 hours to find her guilty, which is really a testament to her attourney. It should've taken 2 minutes.
Barista, you gotta come back to reality kid. Your rant may have a point or two regarding the courst system in general, but it has no relevance to this case. She was overwhelmingly guilty.
Also, regarding the above comment about the traders not needing the money: ummm...what? I am a trader, and I promise you, I need the money. There are a few very successful traders in the 16, but most of us are just average guys like all of you.
Now awesomo2000, I made my comments about the court system, because of someone saying this or that about being innocent until being proven guilty! We all know that's a bunch of bull (the innocent line)! You're guilty until proven innocent and that's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be! No one can honestly say it's not like that, because they know within their own hearts, that's exactly how our justice system sees the accused! That's it in a nut shell, nothing more or less! So why don't you come back to reality yourself kid!
Agree with Txwinr. This story is such a shame. Most people are not that dishonest. I was part of a company pool for years and even sent money to the factory after my office was closed. These were good, hard-working people. I think it's important however to have very clear rules that everyone agrees to and make copies or scan each ticket purchased so all members have copies. The ticket is a bearer instrument, but having a copy should prove it was stolen. I've been unemployed for a few months and having a hard time lately so I cut way back on lottery tickets. It would be nice to chip in with 20 or 30 other people to improve my chances. Once at a place I worked I said I'd never share if the numbers I've played for many years ever won. As stupid as it might sound, I've never stopped playing the same numbers for over 10 years, although I often get a few more, usually QPs. Tickets purchased outside of the pool should be separate. But that wasn't taken well, so I decided not to join. At least I stated that upfront. What do you think? I mean, if people all pitch in $5 and then one member decides to play a few other tickets on the way home, why should that have anything to do with the office pool?
Remember-You are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty.
Come-on get real here. Everyone knows that the Justice system says you are "Innocent" until proven guilty! But we all know that's a LIE! Most people in the United States agree, if for some reason you are accused of wrong doing in our Justice system you are guilty until proven "Innocent". Justice in this country isn't blind (like they say it is), it's "Judgmental" and that alone is what makes you guilty until proven innocent! And that's just sickening beyond belief.
THURSDAY...12/15
Point very well made....if "Leal" could have afforded excellent Legal Representation, her Lawyers would have made the same arguments that "DEMONTER" made in a couple of his postings on this issue.......................
IN A PREVIOUS POST....FOR THE INITIAL STORY ABOUT THIS WOMAN FROM YESTERDAY...12/14, i SITED THIS:
Posted: Yesterday, 4:49 pm - IP LoggedShe is a dumb thief who needed a better lawyer.
The problem I have with this case is the sheer stupidity of the "Traders" themselves.....They should have hired an Attorney or simply gone together as a Group and turned the winning ticket in themselves, instead of giving it to her to do it. If the Group didn't want the Publicity then the Attorney representing them would have handled everything legally, without all this unnecessary Drama........It's sheer Stupidity on the part of the "Traders" .........
She claims she lost the winning ticket.
She did not cash in the winning ticket.
Who can prove she stole the ticket?
There is no solid proof of a misdeed; a jury must under the rules, assume a defendant is innocent unless the state can prove otherwise. I say she walks.
I too believe "LEAL" should have been given the "benefit of the doubt".....as this winning ticket has never surfaced, and the "DUMB TRADERS" using the paperwork were able to claim the prize anyway......However, she obviously has some even "DUMBER ATTYS" because had they emphatically used your argument and expounded on it, there's no way the jury should have sent her to prison.....
(ADDENDUM)
If I should ever be so fortunate as to win any major Lottery, whether it be for 15$$$$$$ or 100$$$$$$ or anything above, this Drama won't play out, because I'll take the winning ticket w/my Attorney to make my claims.....I don't need any secretary, clerk, messenger.....lolololol to help me claim what is rightfully mine..........
You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners. You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora.
After reading all the newspapers and the lottery forum its so obvious that the truth has finally come out about this woman: and what people think of her from both who know her and those who have come to a pretty good conclusion of her. I've read that she has been deceitful even trying to make a few extra dollars on some water. I"ve said it before she saw another oppurtunity to make some money-some real money and jumped on the chace, got scared and didn't know what to do but try and cover her tracks.
I think the truth is right there in front of everyone to see you don't even have to read between the lines.
It's sad to see that this woman has two daughters and has already taght them so much wrong. Hell it's sad for the rest of the world if they are even half as deceiteful as their mother. Well at least we all know what to look for.
Dora did have the winning $175K ticket validated at the very store that the traders bought all of their tickets from in the first place. And many of the people in the store saw her acknowledge that she just had the $175K winning ticket validated! Yes, she was guilty before the trial (because of the many wittinesses in the store) and ultimately she was found guilty by her peers in a court of law! May she get the maximum sentence and spend every bit of it reflecting back on her bad decision to steal from her fellow co-workers!
Riddle me this Demonter- Why would the courts allow this case to be set for trial IF there was NO validity to the allegations or some evidence to present? A person can actually be tried for murder without the weapon or the body. So why cant this women be tried even if the ticket isnt in her possession or ever found?
maybe just maybe there was just too much obvious evidence! You Think ?
I am one of 16 traders whom Dora attempted to cheat. I testified in court on Monday during the trial. Out of 175 tickets, all chronologically ordered by number and time purchased, only the $175 grand ticket was missing. There were multiple people in the store when she won (including myself). The store owner testified that Dora told her to keep quiet about Dora winning. Other people who were in the store told me (two years ago when it happened) that Dora told them the same thing. Afterwards I told the other 15 traders that I saw Rich Tobin's clerk win $175 thousand. They then told me that she was indeed checking our tickets, of which I was previously unaware. When her boss confronted her she replied that it was her friend who won, not her. This was her first of many lies. I then told her that I was behind her in line, and saw her win. We then made a quick check of the tickets and realized that there was one ticket missing, which obviously was the winning ticket. At this point she was busted and knew it. This is when she must've destryed or thrown away the ticket in an attempt to get rid of her incriminating evidence. Her boss tried to reason with her. He pleaded with her to give us the ticket. He told her that he understood how the emotion of winning the ticket could overwhelm her into making a bad decision. He assured her that nothing would happen to her and she would even keep her job if she would simply give us the ticket. She claimed ingorance at this point saying she didn't know she won the $175 thousand (even though we had a copy of the ticket with her signature on the back), that maybe Tobin lost it, blah, blah, blah...
In short, she tried to cheat her employer of six years, and got caught. She is a dispicable, completely untrustworthy person. The evidence against her was overwhelming, and everybody knew it! It took the jury 2 hours to find her guilty, which is really a testament to her attourney. It should've taken 2 minutes.
Barista, you gotta come back to reality kid. Your rant may have a point or two regarding the courst system in general, but it has no relevance to this case. She was overwhelmingly guilty.
Also, regarding the above comment about the traders not needing the money: ummm...what? I am a trader, and I promise you, I need the money. There are a few very successful traders in the 16, but most of us are just average guys like all of you.
Now awesomo2000, I made my comments about the court system, because of someone saying this or that about being innocent until being proven guilty! We all know that's a bunch of bull (the innocent line)! You're guilty until proven innocent and that's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be! No one can honestly say it's not like that, because they know within their own hearts, that's exactly how our justice system sees the accused! That's it in a nut shell, nothing more or less! So why don't you come back to reality yourself kid!
Barista go make us all a latte. Don't give us alatte b.s.
You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners. You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora.
Having read the story:Woman found guilty of stealing winning lottery ticket/ and the one preceding it.....the whole story was never clearly given until getting the chance to read your postings....I have now had the chance to read all your postings on this issue and stand corrected....The LP Stories never gave us the information as you gave it, not even a summary as you gave it, which left some of us w/the positions we took, however.....The Boss was still stupid for letting her handle this...
Libra, you are correct. Let the lesson be learned. Don't play the lottery in pools, and if you do, make sure to check your own tickets. I learned the hard way.
You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners. You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora.
Friday....16th
On the 14th I indicated.......
As previously mentioned your multiple postings on this issue has given us an accurate accounting of what took place......however I must again share my feeling w/you: It's always best to hire an Attorney to either claim the winnings for you, or stand with you as you claim them.
(ADDENDUM)If I should ever be so fortunate as to win any major Lottery, whether it be for 15$$$$$$ or 100$$$$$$ or anything above, this Drama won't play out, because I'll take the winning ticket w/my Attorney to make my claims.....I don't need any secretary, clerk, messenger.....lolololol to help me claim what is rightfully mine..........
Libra, you are correct. Let the lesson be learned. Don't play the lottery in pools, and if you do, make sure to check your own tickets. I learned the hard way.
Friday....16th
Actually, playing as a member of a "collective body" shall we say, can be great fun, because more numbers are being played, and additional funds added to "sweeten the kitty" .There are times when I play in that type of Group.....we simply look on the Internet and in the Newspaper to verify our tickets......We also agree as a group that if we ever find ourselves fortunate enough to win, we will hire a Limosine to take our "collective bodies" to Lottery Headquarters to claim our winnings.
However, it's important to have a great rapor and comradery within the group, and XEROX all the tickets that are purchased, so that no one can claim the prize for themselves alone, by stating that they purchased this "particular ticket" separately from the rest........BY THE SAME TOKEN...I do play as an independent....and also XEROX MY TICKETS.....