Tennessee Lottery computerized drawings under suspicion again

Comment #56

psykomo — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:29:41 GMT

TRANSLATION:

GO BACK to the FUTURE BACK to the FUTURE

of the LOTTERY with o!o BALL's.!.

AFTER ALL......the people who PLAY this stupid game....PAYE'$

not the DICK HEAD's who RUN-IT

POWER TO the PEOPLE of Tennessee!!!

LOL

PSYKOMO

Comment #55

psykomo — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:11:56 GMT

THANK's JL FOR UR PERSPECTIVE

BUTT there is alway's a BUTT in the CROWD

but....why not GIVE the PEOPLE of this GREAT STATE

what ...........THEY WANT????

No No No ........RNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KISS OFF lottery commie

this is the GREAT STATE of TENNESSEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

LOL

PSYKOMO

Comment #54

aaaok — Thu, 01 May 2008 21:37:19 GMT

This may come in handy for some people.

The National Council on Problem Gambling

216 G Street NE, Ste 200

Washington, DC 20002

Phone 202.547.9204

Comment #53

littlejsing — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:35:28 GMT

I just checked the past winning numbers in TENN. The same numbers for midday and evening hit on April 4 5. Look at the winning numbers for March til present. It definitely looks like a pattern. Save your past winning tickets because they may owe refunds +$1 for this

Comment #52

littlejsing — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:27 GMT

Yesterday the same numbers were drawn for the midday and evening. That's the second time in less than a month. I will not be playing TN lottery again until they bring back the mechanical ball drawings. I believe Tn's computerized system has been compromised.

Comment #51

pick4hawk — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:30:41 GMT

My guess is that they have a proplem in there intial seed.

Same input leads to same output. Regardless of of what uniform process they use derive values of digits.

Comment #50

JordanT1021 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:18:20 GMT

i bet tennesse loses a lot of money b/c they don't use ping pong balls. i check the website every now and then and never see a lot of winners. if nc started to use computerized drawings I would drive to va more often

Comment #49

Captain Lotto — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:52 GMT

Definition of random -proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

Comment #48

LckyLary — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:14:11 GMT

I propose instead a bill that requires the program code itself and the source device i.e. WNG that generates the drawings, to be public information like the draw history is. Perhaps also to have the store terminals use the same program code for QP so that if you got QP you're on an even playing field. I speculate that the program is trying to be fair by having the sums add up some certain way so that there would be no bias but in doing so caused more bias. You in TN have a golden opportunity to... [ More ]

Comment #47

konane — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:15:53 GMT

Normally they state which ballset was used for a given draw, also sometimes the machine.

Florida used to post both on their site but believe they may not now. I used to get that info from the TX lottery also, haven't looked or ask lately.

Some time ago I inquired about GA you had to go to the Georgia Lottery headquarters to view the information but was available upon request.

Personally I believe it should be published on every lottery's website for examination .... then everyone wou... [ More ]

Comment #46

four4me — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:53:28 GMT

If you actually think that having the pre draw results and the real draw results along with the after draw results will give you anymore edge over the game then you would have not knowing the pre draw results and the after draw results. Your dreaming there is no indication that knowing these results will give you a better chance at winning the next draw. The main reason i say this is because you have know way of knowing what ball sets will be used for any draw. And even if you did you would stil... [ More ]

Comment #45

konane — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:38:54 GMT

Lotterybraker said TO make sure the Equipment works fine... snip ...why in the hell would you need to pretest after the damn draw for..you just pretested before the draw to get to the PAYING DRAW..after the paying draw they PRETEST AGAIN...for what?..

With bingo multiple games are drawn one after the other after things are verified working.

After any ball drop lottery game is drawn those balls are put back in their container and locked securely away.

They perform pre and post dr... [ More ]

Comment #44

lotterybraker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:41:49 GMT

Ky Floyd...have you ever gone to Play Bingo anywhere....

They have all the balls out in their hole before they start bingo and have someone come up and check the machine TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BALLS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR before they start playing..after that there is no pretesting the balls..or machines..or none of that bullcrap..

You Know what..I am 45 years old..and I have been playing Bingo since I was a little boy with my Mom..maybe..once or twice in the past 30 years o... [ More ]

Comment #43

Badger — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:06:23 GMT

As far as I'm concerned, this is just another example of how you can take statistics and throw them in the litter box if you are observing short-term draws. I've seen way, way too many odd occurances in draws in all states over the years. If everything actually fell as it should in the Pick 3, then the longest-out digits and combinations would be drawn each day. It don't work that way .

It's only over the long run that things fall into place. In 3 or 4 days of draws, anything can happen that... [ More ]

Comment #42

KY Floyd — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:53:46 GMT

If you're so worried about tampering why would you think that tampering isn't a good reason for doing pre-tests? You should be thrilled that they do pre-tests, and you should be asking them to do more.

Anyone with a lick of sense would never do a drawing without checking the machine (whether a ball machine or a computer) first, to make sure that it is working properly as far as they can tell. Besides the (very slim) possibility of tampering, there are all sorts of things that could simply go... [ More ]

Comment #41

lotterybraker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:42:40 GMT

See I have this MAJOR PROBLEM..with Tampering..expecially the ball drawn states..Granted I dont live in a lottery State but I would ASSUME..that not everyone that works for the lottery has access to the balls or the machines..therefore if any tampering has been done would have to be attached to those that has access to the balls or machines..computers can be tampered with also..although I am no computer expert in fact I would classify myself as computer stupid..but a little extra code here or a

Comment #40

Littleoldlady — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:30:55 GMT

I think the pre-draw information would come in very handy. It is too bad we aren't privy to it. We shouldn't have to send an SASE to the lottery Corp to get those results. I use mainly vtracs and let me tell you..I have seen some things...there are certain days that belong to the computerized lottery and certain days you can hit. It is almost like playing craps I guess..some combinations go to the house and others to the players.

Comment #39

Todd — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:14:23 GMT

I know the claims of the computerized drawing supporters, and I've heard them repeated many times. If the Pentagon can be hacked, so can a government lottery machine. The fact that it is not connected to a LAN or WAN is really not the issue. There are many ways to skin a cat. (sorry Em.)

There is nothing wrong with me or someone else saying that pre-test drawings throw off the stats. Perhaps they do, and it does not diminish the argument at all. In fact, it bolsters it.

If the numbers are... [ More ]

Comment #38

littlejsing — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:55:23 GMT

It's quite obvious to me and I'm sure others that you are speaking on behalf of computerized drawings. I would not be surprised to find that it butters your bread.

Your statement I fail to see how a mistake in Tennessee has rendered their system also somehow untrustworthy is so flippant about players who placed bets with no chance of winning. Perhaps instead of you failing to see it, you refuse to see it or try to fog reality so others don't see it for what it actually is.

My comments an... [ More ]

Comment #37

Captain Lotto — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:01:41 GMT

Touche.

I was replying directly to CARBOB's comment about how he prefers ball drawings but thinks pre-tests throw off the stats.

You can't have it both ways. If you think ball drawings represent random, then you can't complain that there are patterns that testing prevents from happening.

Granted, it is possible that there could be corruption in any aspect of any business. That's what pre-tests are designed to thwart. However, using statistically insignifcant occurences as evidence th... [ More ]

Comment #36

Todd — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:33:40 GMT

I don't think you realize how condescending that sounds. Not to mention that you are completely misstating the complaints of those who oppose computerized drawings. (And those people make up the vast majority, as shown in the numerous polls we've done on the subject.)

Computerized drawings have errors, and they have had errors in just about every state in which they've been used. Why? Because computers have to be programmed by people, and people make mistakes.

A certain segment of people a... [ More ]

Comment #35

Captain Lotto — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:10:03 GMT

Someone needs a lesson in statistics. You prefer ball drawings, but then claim it's the pre-tests which make them NOT random? Aren't you glad they test in order to identify tampering?

IF the drawings are random, testing will not affect the stats. It's the definition of random. There is no way to predict the outcome. There are no patterns to discern.

Comment #34

littlejsing — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:49:26 GMT

I am against the computer drawings because of the risks of manipulating the system. A person created the system; consequently, a person or persons can hack it. The mechanical ball system is preferrable because of eliminating this manipulation risk. Think about it, there is no 24/7 monitoring of the computerized system; therefore the opportunity is there. At least with the mechanical drawing the player has the opportunity to visually watch the process. As far as cost effectiveness, Tennessee has

Comment #33

CARBOB — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:29:00 GMT

You obviously have no idea what you are saying!!! How can computer draws be random , when any programmer working in the Tn Lottery Hqs can manipulate the program. Don't believe all the bs about safeguards!!! My state's lottery is ball drawn, and they are using very questionable tactics, by using test draws. Are the draws being random when this method is used? I say NO. Test draws warp the stats.

Comment #32

Down — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:38:51 GMT

i don't know why they would stop the computer draws because its all random just like how every other lottery game is random

Comment #31

jarasan — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:15:41 GMT

Well, well, 04/10/08 day p3 402 MD. P3 night 351 went from from big block Chevy to Ford Cleveland. Imagine that. I played 396 and 347 night. I hope some 402 lovers hit as well as the Mustang Fairlane Club members.

Comment #30

JackpotWanna — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:12:26 GMT

Looks like easy money.

Comment #29

four4me — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:04:23 GMT

350 Chevy engine

one of my favorite numbers

While i am mostly into big blocks more has been done to the 350 engine then just about any engine. Gorilla motor comes to mind. You can mix and mingle 400 Chevy parts cranks etc and build just about any street or strip aplication. All depends on how deep your pockets are.

Comment #28

jarasan — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:55:04 GMT

Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.

But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads. No biggie.

The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out o... [ More ]

Comment #27

four4me — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:14:06 GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Big-Block_engine

[ Generation 1: W Series

348 available from 1958 to 1961

409 available from 1961 to 1965

427 (Z11) available only in 1963

2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series

396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create

402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models

1965 Chevrolet Corvette

1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle

1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro

1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova

1970

Comment #26

jarasan — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:38:39 GMT

It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.

Goes into.

I miss my baby.

Comment #25

fbird — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:00:58 GMT

CL...actually what you have shown, is normal. 60% of the times, 1 digit will repeat from one drawing to the next ( midday to midday and evening to evening ). 2 digit returns average about 1 in 6 draws and they can move eve to eve and midday to eve or eve to midday and midday to midday, for the 2 digit returns....I will generally watch for those that are out for awhile and play them. But what has happened in Tenn........WOW !!!!!!!!!

Also. what you have shown is over 6 months and it does happe... [ More ]

Comment #24

JADELottery — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:03:06 GMT

I think those of you in and around TN should rape the TN Lottery for everything you can the next time something like this happens. Play that 'hunch' and suck the life out their profits. I think if they see a payout of $5,000,000.00 on one Pick 3 draw they'd really do something about it.

Comment #23

flamarko — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:00:37 GMT

NO WAY ...NO HOW!!!

2 days in a row..maybe. It has happened!

But 3 days

I wouldn't spend dime one in Tenn.

I have a hard a time enough believing in the 100% integrity of regular BALL DRAWS in my own home state let alone some computer that can calculate HOUSE STAKES vs ACTUAL # OF BETTERS .

Maybe it's a lack of understanding. But I don't get how in BALL DRAW states why they run several tests before the actual draw.

IS IT LIMITED TO x amount of pre-draw tests?

Or do LOTTERY O... [ More ]

Comment #22

ToadSchmode — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:36:14 GMT

CT- 3/11 659 Mid

CT- 3/12 695 Mid 695 Eve

Comment #21

Captain Lotto — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:50:46 GMT

OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right?

4/7 eve 5-2-7 4/7 mid 1-4-7 4/6 eve 4-2-7

4/4 eve 3-8-9 4/4 mid 6-0-9 4/3 eve 8-9-3

3/22 mid 1-7-9 3/21 eve 7-1-9 3/21 mid 9-1-7 3/20 eve 8-3-5 3/20 mid 3-5-8

2/19 eve 4-3-6 2/19 mid 4-6-3 2/18 eve 2-4-3

1/15 eve eve 0-2-0 1/15 mid 0-0-8 1/14 eve 0-0-2 1/14 mid 9-2-0

12/1 eve 0-4-3 12/1 mid 2-4-3 11/30 eve 2-3-3 11/30 mid 0-3-3

10/27 eve 1-7-3 10/27 mid 1-7... [ More ]

Comment #20

Captain Lotto — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:28:12 GMT

3-6-9 is one of the most popular numbers consistently played in Pick 3 games. Look it up- there will be a big payout EVERY time that number hits, especially straight.

Comment #19

four4me — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:26:19 GMT

I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.

Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.

How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.

CASH 3 12/25/2007 Evening 369 $120,290.00

Comment #18

JADELottery — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:40:51 GMT

it's not the 369 combo by itself. it is the selection of 3, 6 and 9 individually over that period. yes, there just happens to be a 369 combo, but it also has the highest payout, too. that payout also adds to the suspicion of the particular numbers of 3, 6 and 9.

Comment #17

Todd — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:10:56 GMT

The observation made by Pick-4_Master is not relevant to this discussion, because we are not talking about one digit being drawn on consecutive days, or being out for a couple weeks.

We are talking about all three digits matching several draws in a row, and not just happening once: it happened just last month too!

The odds of that taking place are astronomical, and you'd have to try very hard to find another time, in any state, where it has happened. Perhaps it's never happened, I'm not su... [ More ]

Comment #16

konane — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:03:57 GMT

Lately in Georgia with ball draw we've had the same digits drawn in Cash 3 back to back or within a few days of one another ..... have seen comments on LP wondering what's happening when we see the draw take place before our very eyes.

In the case of Tennessee the same digits were drawn within 4 draws ..... behind closed door with no players being able to watch the actual drawing ........ which certainly raises suspicions discussed here and in other posts about Tennessee's RNG's.

Nothing f... [ More ]

Comment #15

GASMETERGUY — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:50:57 GMT

Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:

because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers

If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee s RNG... [ More ]

Comment #14

Guru101 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:39:29 GMT

369 only showed up once in that entire list. Where are you going with that? Also, Mid-day and evening are 2 separate drawings.

Comment #13

Captain Lotto — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:26:26 GMT

It wasn't consecutive draws - there was a draw in-between. Besides, you can't compare draws together, because each one is a separate event. I've been trying to recognize a pattern, but there isn't one. It's random... and you'll see stuff like that randomly.

Comment #12

lotterybraker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:09:43 GMT

the same combo coming out 3 times in a row really isnt that big of a deal..look at this way

..Have you ever seen the digit 1( or any single digit) repeat in 3 straight draws..Yes!!!

Have you ever seen a pair like 12( or any other pair) repeat for 3 straight draws in a row...Yes!!!

the same combo is the samething..its just part of the same group..it has happened many times before..it will happen many times to come..haha

Did you notice the pay out increase on the 3rd 077... [ More ]

Comment #11

konane — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:50:19 GMT

Doesn't matter how many times you've contacted your legislators ...... contact them again and again and again if you feel strongly enough about this.

It's a sure bet they're being lobbied to keep the RNG's.

Keep pressure on to revert back to ball drop draws you can see with your own eyes

Comment #10

littlejsing — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:15:22 GMT

I totally agree

Comment #9

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:23:28 GMT

it will feel really good to buy a tennessee lottery ticket again if they decide to go back to ball draws.

p.s.....i got an idea.i think rebecca paul hardrode needs to resign and bring our ball drawings back.

Comment #8

JADELottery — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:51:14 GMT

Just a simple glance at these I'd have to say the System is Hacked!!!

Someone is cashing in BIG TIME on this one.

This isn't a glitch, it's a HACK

Comment #7

littlejsing — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:25:41 GMT

3,6,9,repetition scroll down

CASH 3

1/2/2008

Evening

593

$22,790.00

CASH 3 1/1/2008 Mid-Day 649 $16,440.00

CASH 3 1/1/2008 Evening 986 $37,580.00

CASH 3 12/31/2007 Mid-Day 253 $28,990.00

CASH 3 12/31/2007 Evening 990 $36,550.00

CASH 3 12/30/2007 Evening 527 $84,940.00

CASH 3 12/29/2007 Mid-Day 828 $60,170.00

CASH 3 12/29/2007 Evening 634 $53,000.00

CASH 3 12/28/2007 Mid-Day 067 $11,710.00

Comment #6

littlejsing — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:19:47 GMT

Yeah,right!? The fact that a glitch happened before only convinces me that me that a glitch could happen again. I have been watching the Tenn numbers since the 3,6,9 repetition months ago.

Comment #5

four4me — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:03:26 GMT

CASH 3 4/5/2008 Evening 077 $50,460.00

CASH 3 4/4/2008 Mid-Day 707 $27,180.00

CASH 3 4/4/2008 Evening 046 $25,180.00

CASH 3 4/3/2008 Mid-Day 077 $18,400.00

Comment #4

JADELottery — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:58:15 GMT

To put this in some kind of perspective, the probability of selecting a back to back combination from any of these set of Pick 3 numbers, {077, 707}, three times is (2 out of 1000) ^ 3 or 8 out of 1,000,000,000; this reduces down to 1 out of 125,000,000. Here are a few other games with their probabilities: Powerball - 1 out of 146,107,962 / Mega Millions - 1 out of 175,711,536 / my state s Megabucks Pick 6 of 49 - 1 out of 13,983,816. That is the probability of winning those lotteries on the fir... [ More ]

Comment #3

time*treat — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:33:14 GMT

We have found nothing wrong with how the equipment is operating ~ spoken like ... well nevermind.

Who programs these machines, anyway? Diebold

Comment #2

JustFrozen — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:47:12 GMT

This has got to help push the legislation through, which is a good thing because this kind of stuff repeating has got to be killing consumer confidence

Comment #1

JAP69 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:39:06 GMT

I want to see what the payout increase was from draw to draw for the 077 combos back to back.

They will probably end up paying out more per year in prize payout than when they had ball draws.

That pick 4 back to back cost them a bundle.

Somebody must have them figured by now.

Tennessee Lottery computerized drawings under suspicion again

Lottery Post — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:26:42 GMT

Lottery draws same numbers 3 days in a row; same thing happened last month

When will the Tenn. Lottery dump the computer draws?

Seven was a lucky number for Tennessee lottery players last week. A very, very, very lucky number.

For three consecutive days, the winning ticket in the Cash 3 drawing was some combination of two sevens and a zero. Thursday, the winning Cash 3 number at midday was 0-7-7. Friday, the winning midday number was 7-0-7. And Saturday evening, the winning number was a... [ More ]