MUSL seeks to dismiss lawsuit over rigged jackpot

Comment #37

KY Floyd — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 22:28:13 GMT

MUSL did what policy dictate they do with unclaimed winnings.

The problem is that there were no unclaimed winnings. There was prize money that wasn't won.

Comment #36

elios311 — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 10:21:01 GMT

Well ok if that was what the policy was. But then I don't understand why the policy is the way that it is. Usually if person A steals money from person B's bank account, and the police uncovers person A and returns the money to the bank, I would expect that the policy dictates that of course the bank now gives this money back into person B's bank account. Only if person B can't be found anymore, should charity come into consideration.

So the money went back to the states like the policy dicta... [ More ]

Comment #35

Teddi — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:50:50 GMT

Except that he doesn't have a legitimate claim. That's like saying that the lady who allowed Gloria to skip the line has a legitimate claim to Gloria's winnings.

There are too many hypotheses that would have to hold true for him to have a legitimate claim, and he can't prove any of them. The most he can say is that out of fairness of the game and its players, he is deserving of both jackpots.

Comment #34

Teddi — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:36:28 GMT

Well considering that MUSL is allowed to exist in the states so that money raised is given towards education, healthcare and/or the maintenance of vital infrastructures, then your request that the money be given to charity is (one could argue) what was done. He can't prove he would have won had the drawing not been rigged and MUSL did what policy dictate they do with unclaimed winnings.

Comment #33

Cruzincat — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:27:07 GMT

The MUSL should have used the money to pay for switching to ball drawings at the very least.

Comment #32

KY Floyd — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:43:14 GMT

my vote would have to go to Dawson.

As has been explained over and over, the problem with that is there's nothing to prove that Dawson won less than he would have if the drawing hadn't been rigged. There's absolutely no question that drawing a different set of numbers might have produced a legitimate winner, in which case Dawson won what he should have, because the jackpot would have been reset as a result of the legitimate winner. There's also absolutely no question that if the jackpot hadn... [ More ]

Comment #31

elios311 — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:25:47 GMT

There are more logical solutions. Giving the money back to cheated players who participated in the rigged drawing for example (those that can provide proof of purchase). If the argument here is that those can't be found and they had to give it to someone anyway, then giving it to charity is another solution.

To say that any money that no one has a legitimate claim on should go to the already rich is a non sequitur. Unless of course if that rich person actually does demonstrate that the money... [ More ]

Comment #30

Cruzincat — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:05:22 GMT

If you have to pick between Dawson, unknown players that might have won, or the the states keeping the money for themselves, my vote would have to go to Dawson. As far as I am concerned, his is the only legitimate claim, even though it is unlikely he would have won it if it had rolled over past the jackpot hat Tipton cheated on. How can any other person or entity claim any part of it? The states didn't earn the right to keep it. It should have gone to a player. Dawson is the only one with a logi... [ More ]

Comment #29

Candy-Lane — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:45:49 GMT

LOL!

Unfortunately for Dawson, he doesn't really have a case. The reason being is that if Tipton had not allegedly tampered with the computer, someone else (such as myself), may have won that drawing that Tipton won.

There was a high probability that there would not have been another rollover. The jackpot was over $16 Million. - A rather high jackpot for Hot Lotto.

I am upset and feel that The Lottery owes me $1000, the amount I played and was cheated out of!

The differe... [ More ]

Comment #28

cbr$ — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:49:06 GMT

Correct me if I wrong. Why did Iowa the other states deliberately wait until all the

tickets expired before they file charge against Tipton ? Why , let this person continue to

work in a position were can rig any more games? This person had no problem saying how

it could be done did it. That bold. Most people radar pick up on statements like this right

away. IT is just my opinion that they such do something for the Iowa players and all states involve.

Comment #27

cbr$ — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:24:07 GMT

The IRS can ask for up to seven years back.

Comment #26

elios311 — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:34:08 GMT

Bank statements don't expire. And some odd person might still have the ticket. Even if you can't help all of them, you can still repay the few.

Comment #25

Stack47 — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:54:34 GMT

The drawing was over 5 years ago, all the tickets expired over four years ago so there is no reason for anyone to keep their losing tickets including for IRS.

Comment #24

elios311 — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:15:50 GMT

Most couldn't prove that they were in the rigged drawing but some could. So refunds should be at least available for them. Besides, some paid with bank cards, so proving should be possible even without having the ticket anymore. But it's doubtful that anyone would find it worthwhile to go through this process just for a couple of bucks.

Comment #23

Stack47 — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:29:28 GMT

That money was returned to the 16 states that participate in Hot Lotto when associates of Tipton tried, but ultimately failed, to claim the prize a year later.

Hot Lotto is a multi-state game based in Iowa. There was no actual proof the game was rigged and a jury found it was beyond reasonable doubt , but their verdict could be reversed in the court of appeals.

The Iowa Hot Lotto players have the same complaints as all the players in the other 15 states and because of the time between when... [ More ]

Comment #22

cbr$ — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:17:06 GMT

There is no , allegedly that the Hot Lotto Jackpot game was rigged in Iowa. IT a fact.

There is no complete speculation or conjecture the Iowa Lottery players did in fact

get ripped off on Dec. 29, 2010 drawing of the Hot Lotto game. What I see here is that Iowa gaming board need spring cleaning. They will most likely get the same judge that

same rule in their favor on the casino sandal , where the woman win the jackpot get the $1 something she put in the machine. When Iowa people... [ More ]

Comment #21

Stack47 — Mon, 04 Apr 2016 04:14:55 GMT

The Iowa Lottery knew something was wrong when the New York lawyer showed up to collect the jackpot on behalf of a trust, but withdrew the claim. From there they investigated the person who bought the ticket that never identified themselves. The $16 million is not the cash value and while the MUSL has rules on how to distribute unclaimed winnings, I doubt they have rules that cover an employee rigging a drawing.

How the court rules will be interesting.

Comment #20

Teddi — Sun, 03 Apr 2016 22:09:37 GMT

There's a whole lot of conjecture going on and I don't think any presiding judge is going to get sucked into all the what ifs being thrown around.

The main issue should be whether Hot Lotto had the right or legal standing to absorb that $16M once they knew about the fraud and number manipulation. If they had the legal right to do so then everything else is moot and all the endless conjectures are meaningless.

Comment #19

elios311 — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:27:40 GMT

Actually, it might have been even higher than 25 million since higher jackpot would have boosted the sales even further. Which is also the reason why someone might have won before. Hence, speculative case. It's even more speculative and even bust in my opinion because if it weren't for the rigging, different numbers would be drawn on latter draws.

The reason why the lottery should refund loosing tickets is because the rules say that draws are random, yet that one wasn't. Whether it makes a di... [ More ]

Comment #18

TheMeatman2005 — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 15:18:31 GMT

You have to appreciate both sides of this story.

Larry Dawson wins $9 mil jackpot, but feels cheated when they disclose that the $16.5 mil jackpot won before the one he won was rigged and feels that he is entitled to that amount since he would have won $25.5 mil instead.

The lottery is saying that if the $16.5 mil jackpot had not been won by fraud, it might have been won by someone else before Dawson won.

As far as giving refunds for non-winning tickets.....WHY? Who knows what numbers

Comment #17

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 13:11:05 GMT

Comment #16

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 13:08:27 GMT

drama.... Can't wait for the LTM thanks Eddie.

Comment #15

Tialuvslotto — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 12:54:21 GMT

Hey, Dawson! Ya got $9 Million. Don't be greedy!

I agree about the speculative part. No one can know what would have happened had Tipton not fixed the draw.

Comment #14

mypiemaster — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 12:15:26 GMT

Just pay the man and quit your crying.

Comment #13

DELotteryPlyr — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 09:21:44 GMT

This is really good that they are bringing this suit. I helps show the implications of what Tipton did. The more legal eyes we can have on this case (Tipton's) the better.

It also shows every other lottery what happens if they allow a Tipton to infect them.

I would like to see the court award him the money! That would REALLY make the lottery's stand up and listen.

Comment #12

JAMORA — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 07:36:09 GMT

If the only winning ticket was produced by the Tipton scandal, then yes it would have rolled over, and he is due the amount it was at and the roll over...Tipton isn't the only crook here....

Did anyone else have a winning ticket? I don't see that....

Comment #11

KY Floyd — Sat, 02 Apr 2016 07:05:12 GMT

Had the December 29, 2010 Hot Lotto game not been allegedly rigged ...

So it's safe to believe that the official position of MUSL is that Tipton isn't guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? I'm sure his attorneys will be very glad to hear that.

Comment #10

elios311 — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 19:12:23 GMT

I don't think that Dawson should get more money.

Had the lottery not been rigged, different numbers would have been drawn on later draws and he probably wouldn't win anything. So ironically, Dawson actually has to thank Tipton for inadvertently making him win.

What the lottery should pay however, is a refund on every loosing lottery ticket that they sold for rigged draw. Rules of the game state that the draws are random, therefore, the lottery house was in violation of its own rules. Peopl... [ More ]

Comment #9

Stack47 — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 19:03:13 GMT

The money was probably returned to the participating states, but Larry Dawson is arguing because he was the next jackpot winner, he should get the money. The MUSL is arguing Dawson does not have legal standing to sue because his claimed injury is merely speculative and hypothetical, and therefore cannot be redressed.

It's easy to say that Dawson was merely speculating because every player that buys a ticket in any lottery game is speculating they will win the jackpot. MUSL proved the 1/29/20... [ More ]

Comment #8

Mr E — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:35:47 GMT

What's going to happen to the jackpot money? I think they should add it to the current Hot Lotto jackpot.

Comment #7

spartan1707 — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:31:57 GMT

So Glad this Lawsuit is bringing to light the fact that he is right. The game was rigged and they went after the person and now someone is going after them. They lied got caught and now they are looking for the Judge to help hid the Facts

Comment #6

Ron5995 — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:23:51 GMT

While it's debatable whether that jackpot winner was short-changed, players who bought tickets in the fixed drawings certainly were! Players should get refunded and/or receive coupons for future play.

Though, that may be impractical due to many players tossing their tickets. Thus, the next best thing would be all participating Hot Lotto lottery jurisdictions offering millions of dollars in free added play for players. Ie. Buy 1 $5 instant ticket, get 1 free, etc. Basically, the participating... [ More ]

Comment #5

Lottery Playa — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:18:18 GMT

See all the problems you caused Eddie!

LMAO.... Loved your post

Comment #4

TnTicketlosers — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:17:38 GMT

Yea sometime when get a few minutes go to Tn lottery .....look at all the $5000.oo payouts on pick 4 ...but they say ours is generated...yea right.

Comment #3

Thegreenpirate — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:03:42 GMT

Eddie proved that the musl lotteries are #fake

Comment #2

sully16 — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:00:58 GMT

See all the problems you caused Eddie

Comment #1

noise-gate — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:50:50 GMT

Nothing ventured- nothing gained.

MUSL seeks to dismiss lawsuit over rigged jackpot

Lottery Post — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:21:24 GMT

A group of state lotteries has asked a judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a jackpot winner who argues he was shortchanged by millions of dollars because the prior drawing was rigged by one of its employees.

In court documents filed this week, the Multi-State Lottery Association argued that Iowa resident Larry Dawson does not have legal standing to sue because his claimed injury is merely speculative and hypothetical, and therefore cannot be redressed.

Dawson, of Webster City, filed the l... [ More ]