Should criminals collect jackpots?

Reply #72

RJOh — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:58:15 GMT

Everybody have the right to have any kind of ideas about whether good or bad people should win the lottery and how they should spend it after they win but the bottom line for all states is what will make the most money for them.Years ago a group of good and ethical people convinced the Ohio lottery that it was bad enough to have a state sponsored lottery and it was even worst giving more than $20M of unearned money to any person who was willing to buy a lottery ticket, so Ohio installed a rule t... [ More ]

Reply #71

acronym007 — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:28:01 GMT

LoL, well you and I don't see eye to eye Pick but it's all good. I think the popular opinion in this thread is that criminals should be able to play and collect. Me, I'm still not sold one way or the other.

Reply #70

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:20:00 GMT

I believe we should all be able to do whatever the heck we want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else physically or break any serious laws that can put you behind bars.

Reply #69

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:18:02 GMT

Basically I was just trying to say that CRIMINALS should be allowed to play the Lottery since everyone else is allowed to play as long as there of age.The race,color,religion,political was just used as an example of what type of people in our society exist and play the lottery freely and I also agree with Chewie that you shouldn't have to be a SAINT to play the game.Also I was not aware that playing the Lottery was not a right as an American citizen since everything else is like drinking,w... [ More ]

Reply #68

Chewie — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:43:58 GMT

Remembr that story book that has the comment about He who is without ... throw the first rock? Alla sudden you have to be a saint to gamble

Reply #67

acronym007 — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:35:15 GMT

Everyone should be able to posses a weapon as per the constitution but felons lose rights. Lotto is not a right. The subject of color,race,religion,political was never mentioned in my topic but I agree with Pick-4 that discrimantion based on those factors is wrong and they are already illegal.

Reply #66

Jorli D — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:24:43 GMT

The best response of them all

Reply #65

Pick-4_Master — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:33:27 GMT

Everyone should be allowed to play the Lottery no matter what color,race,religion,political or criminal background they had or currently have.Where they got the money to play should not be a factor either when you consider how our own government officials have a tendancy to aquire funds illegally or secretly or in ways that the Public would definitely disagree with for there own agenda,pet projects or favors for political friends.

Reply #64

hypersoniq — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:37:03 GMT

I'm with Todd on this one.anyone who pays the buck gets the prize if they win. systems already exist to extract back support for deadbeat dads and criminals in prison serving time don't have a chance to play numbers.

Reply #63

DirtyWrat — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:26:11 GMT

Rjoh, you are right. The original question did say criminals and not killers. Substitute killers with thieves or rapist and all other criminals who commit crimes or felonies and my point remains the same.I guess there would be nothing we could do if a felon won the lottery and gave his 100 million winnings to a friend or family member, expecting to be cut in on his share of the winnings. This criminal would really have to have some amazing and loyal friends or relatives.

Reply #62

Litebets27 — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:07:14 GMT

Sorry, I don't know why this printed twice.litebets

Reply #61

Litebets27 — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:04:06 GMT

Acronym007, I never said I don't like you. No where in any of my responses did I say I don't like you. First of all, I don't know you Personally. I would never form an opinion of rather I liked or disliked you from a question that you asked or from an opinion that you may hold that I may disagree with. It's your opinion or belief that you have to live with. It's my job and others to try and help you to see both sides of the situation through our thoughts, beliefs or opinions. This doesn't by a... [ More ]

Reply #60

Litebets27 — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:03:23 GMT

Reply #59

konane — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:48:02 GMT

If it's legally earned money that buys the winning ticket, all owed child support, taxes, judgments, restitutions are all paid ... then who am I to say that any person can't use the remaining money in any manner they choose, legality of which will be determined by their actions?After all they paid for the right to do just that.We can learn a lot by observing other people's mistakes, but we can't prevent them from making them or save them from themselves.

Reply #58

RJOh — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:30:40 GMT

Would that limitation also apply to immediate family members, lottery pools or anyone else who might share their winnings with a convicted felons? It's a simple matter for a felon to have a family member or friend claim the winnings and share it with him.The original question included all criminals not just killers which would include almost anyone who have done time in jail.RJOh

Reply #57

DirtyWrat — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:55:02 GMT

Ok, I will take the other position on this issue. I don't think convicted felons should be eligible to win the lottery. If they can't win , they won't play.Who among us would want the killer of someone we love to strike it rich

Reply #56

RJOh — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:37:48 GMT

I stand by what I said, if a state doesn't want to pay certain people their winnings then it shouldn't accept their money to play. Questioning whether they should pay up after a person wins would make their lottery like a scam.RJOh

Reply #55

DirtyWrat — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:29:48 GMT

Shawnintennesse- I know that there is some corruption not only in Tennessee but most likely in every state of the union. I also know there is some corruption in politics, sports, corporations, clergy, boy scouts, police departments, and God knows what else.Implying that all cops are corrupt is wrong. What you're doing is taking a group of people and putting a label on them that is not justified or deserved.

Reply #54

acronym007 — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:28:01 GMT

Litebets - I never injected my opinion. Once again, let me explain to you that I merely listed a point that would be an arguement for not allowing felons to play lotto. Jamal Lewis is in the NFL, he is not a lotto winner and I have no problem staring my opinion that Jamal Lewis does not belong in the NFL. I NEVER stated an opinion one way or the other on this subject, I listed Jamal Lewis as a point to start the topic. For example, pros and cons. The best way to start a topic is with examples. I... [ More ]

Reply #53

Litebets27 — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:16:17 GMT

DirtyWrat, I think that it's nice that you are enjoying this topic so much. But one of your statements was truly incorrect. When Acronym007 first started his post he stated that this was a (deep question). But as he continued on... at the point when he stated, I don't think Jamal Lewis.... , he begain to inject his opinion on the subject. It's a sticky topic that for me atleast implys placing some kind of control on something (lottery winnings) on anyone who has or hasn't been convicted of a cr... [ More ]

Reply #52

Chewie — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:31:15 GMT

Hehehehe. Buy them books, and buy them books, they chew on the covers.

Reply #51

Shawnintennesse — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:25:59 GMT

My names Shawn..Not Shawnee... And i rest my case. Your the one looking for an arguement. And your not going to get one..Excuse me i usually puke on occasions like this.

Reply #50

Chewie — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:19:42 GMT

Hey Shawnee, sweet cheeks, just so you know there is an ability to cross state lines. and to have varied experiences in more than one state, I received my engineering degree in (Kingsport) Tennessee in 1973. My wife s family has lived there for generations. You do know there are educational institutes in Tennessee don't you? BTW, in your previous post, intelligent people, with a minimum knowledge of grammar, know the correct spelling is either you're or you are , not your. Maybe you rested... [ More ]

Reply #49

Shawnintennesse — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:15:04 GMT

Well i know for a fact the FBI is investigating the whole TBI. And also all agencys in connection there of. For breach of civial right's...I can tell you first hand. Cause i have a pending lawsuit against the city of Murfreesboro for this very issue. Illegal search and seizure...More times than not. The police have no right to come into someones home without a warrant and illegaly search it..It's called the 4th ammendment. And they care nothing about it...Just do a search. You'll see it everywhe... [ More ]

Reply #48

DirtyWrat — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:11:31 GMT

Very well put, Shawnintennesse. I guess name calling may be an acceptable form of debate for some people, but if you're trying to prove your point you are coming up short.If you're stating a fact how about some info to back it up

Reply #47

Shawnintennesse — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:51:00 GMT

Well he isnt suffreing from paronoia... He's stating a fact.And i think your suffering from a case of dumbass...

Reply #46

DirtyWrat — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:29:12 GMT

First I would like to thank acronym007 for a very interesting topic that hasn't been brought up before that I know of. It beats reading the same topics and questions brought up by many people over and over again. It certainly wasn't a stupid question as one poster said. I think acronym007 was unfairly attacked by certain posters who thought he was stating an opinion rather than posting a question. As for Shawnintennesse's comments about all the cops in Tennessee being corrupt I think she or h... [ More ]

Reply #45

Shawnintennesse — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:11:06 GMT

Well.. The only thing i can tell you is.Your in NJ. And were in Tennessee..I rest my case...

Reply #44

Chewie — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:25:47 GMT

If even half of the cops were corrupt, you would be dead - thus unable to complain about them. However, giving you the benefit of the doubt, the next time you're stuck in traffic because of an accident, multiple that by a zillion. Then starve to death trying to get to a job that doesn't exist.

Reply #43

Shawnintennesse — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:17:13 GMT

In Tennessee theres only one kind.. Corrupt..

Reply #42

Chewie — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:52:29 GMT

I think, across the board, there are good and bad. The really great and the really corrupt leave the largest impression on those who are impacted - or stay up with current events. The thing that makes all of them stand out is the power, precieved and the legal. You can only hope, when your time comes, you get, at the very least, a decent one.

Reply #41

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:41:26 GMT

i agree with shawn on this.having been through a similar situation where they made their own rules up and broke the ones they were suppose to be following.the law get to aggressive for their own good sometimes......

Reply #40

Raven62 — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:40:42 GMT

acronym007: It would be helpful if the situation was more clearly defined: Are you talking about a criminal actively engaged in criminal activities and deriving his entire income from those activities. Or: A felon who has served time and is now back in society and nolonger engaging in criminal activity. Or do you have some other scenario in mind.

Reply #39

pacattack05 — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:55:16 GMT

Just look for the lead numbers and pointers, from last week and see if they come up.

Reply #38

acronym007 — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:29:39 GMT

Todd can close the post any time he choses. Personally if everything stays on point and we have a mutual respect there is no problem, if people start to blast others then perhaps closure would be best, don't you agree

Reply #37

RJOh — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:13:54 GMT

I thought you wanted the thread to end, it can't end if you keep posting.

Reply #36

Shawnintennesse — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:59:43 GMT

Law dosent cover itself. Thats been proven time and time again.Cops can walk on the law. They practice it,And make there own rules as they go along.They can come into your house without a warrant. And say that you let them in. And there belived. Your not. It happens all the time.The blue suit is the one thats corrupt.System of a Down said it the best.. Some of those who work forces,Are the same that burn crosses ...

Reply #35

acronym007 — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:34:38 GMT

BaristaExpress - much of what you said I agree with. Prisons should be the worst place to go so an offender has no desire to be there. I read an article where it cost $70k to pay for each inmate. Imagine what some families could do with that money. In any case, back to the subject I think you have a interesting idea.Shawnintennesse - the law does not agree with your line of thinking. Money earned from prostition, drug deals, murders, other crimes is not the same money. There are many articles an... [ More ]

Reply #34

Shawnintennesse — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:17:53 GMT

I look at it like this. And like lots of others say.It's exactly a game. Anyone can play. And anyone who spends there dollar has a right...No matter where that dollar came from. Money is money...

Reply #33

BaristaExpress — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:55 GMT

If a criminal has been convicted and done his time and released back into society, that's just fine. But if that person wins a lottery jackpot, I feel restitution needs to be paid back to the tax payers for his/hers cost of keeping them in prison. We all know what the cost of keeping one inmate cost these days and that cost just keeps going up every year! Heck, look at the cost to the tax payer for building those prisons! They live in air conditioned rooms and so on. These freaking criminals hav... [ More ]

Reply #32

CASH Only — Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:47:57 GMT

If someone has served their time, I don't have a problem with them playing (and winning) the lottery. They should also regain the right to vote.

Reply #31

destinedtowin — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:49:16 GMT

You pay your dollar, you win, you collect. end of story. What you do with it after that is up to you. If you do someting illegal it will catch up with you eventually, RIGHT? as the name says Destinedtowin. good luck to all who play the powerball this week, may your dreams come true.

Reply #30

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:51:19 GMT

Hey Chewie, I agree with allot of what you are saying. Money talks in our society. I would love nothing more than to see someone in here have the same voice as a Martha S and winning the lotto would do that. Me personally, I don't support thugs like Martha and yes I think many of the bigger crimes are forgotten with allot of money. Tyson, OJ, Martha, hundreds of CEO's etc. That is injustice. It's not right, IMHO. If you have money, no crime, no money it's a crime.

Reply #29

Chewie — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:42:56 GMT

You forgot the point that laws do not prevent ciminals from commiting them. With rrare exception, they only punish those without money. Sit on the side of the freeway in any state in the union and watch the law breakers fly by at 20 mph over the speed limit; the more expensive the car, the faster the speed. You can rip off a corporation for millions, stash half some where, be caught, pay a 10% fine, 6 months on a golf course, and go back to you mansion. Some cases no fine.You can lie to a Feder... [ More ]

Reply #28

pacattack05 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:33:35 GMT

Some laws just make no sense at all.A co-worker who drives a cab in the same airport as I do, here in Florida, recently lost his driving privelages. His drivers license. He stopped paying child support because it was the slow season here in Florida, not because he didn't want to. I can attest to that. However, does that make any sense at all?The law says we want money from you, so what we'll do is take away the ability for you to make money. Real smart...HUH?As far as lotto goes, someone who has... [ More ]

Reply #27

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:05:28 GMT

Litebets - that's what prisons are for? Actually, no, prisons are for the worst offenders. There are many people walking among us that have lost rights and privileges but have not gone to prison. Bellyache - how can most people not agree with me when I have not formed an opinion on the subject thats why I asked the question? I ASKED A QUESTION WITHOUT STATING A SIDE. Read thread topic. I might be upset if I chose a side. I'm not upset with anyone. I feel that some posters are whacking the messa... [ More ]

Reply #26

Chewie — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:03:42 GMT

At what point does the winner filter stop? Should we eliminate any one over 50; they are over the hill and can't take full advantage of huge sums. Should we eliminate non-citizens because they are not true americans? Should we eliminate any one who has every been caught commiting a felony; once a criminal, always a criminal? Do we start considering race and religion

Reply #25

BobP — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:25:29 GMT

Hmmm, I guess more money could allow a criminal to finance what it takes to commit a better crime, but that kind of jackpot money would only work if the government put him into the witness protection program or all his old friends would make it hard to reform his life.A good question for the guy who lost his prize because he supposedly bought the winning ticket with drug money . . . did winning use up all his luck so he got caught?BobP

Reply #24

RJOh — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:20:21 GMT

Now that a twist, a criminal that needs money to commit crimes. Most criminal make money committing crimes.

Reply #23

lady bren — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:02:51 GMT

I do beleived that a convicted felon, should not received any winning earnings. Simply'' because now he/she, has more money to commit more crimes. lol

Reply #22

BobP — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:46:52 GMT

You pays your dollar and you takes your chances. Anyone can play except children and anyone can win, even illegal aliens from mars so I don't see the problem. If the winner was previously judged to owe reparations to their victim, the state has a duty to see that amount of the winnings is correctly distributed.As to the claim the state has a right to the winnings because the ticket was purchased by drug money . . . while that applies to homes and cars . . . the idea the govenment can determine... [ More ]

Reply #21

bellyache — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:41:42 GMT

Somehow I'm not sure you people are educated on the use of forumsI think everyone here understands the basics of the forums and are stating their opinion just as you are. And most just don't agree with you.7. If you have an opinion, why not share without somehow attacking the poster?Many posters have stated their opinions without attacking. It seems you are upset because again, most people don't agree with you.In my opinion, I think it is pointless to make any type of law regulating those who ha... [ More ]

Reply #20

weshar75 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:00:52 GMT

In my view you are not speaking from personal experience in your last few lines of your post are you. So you probably don't have the foggyist idea about what jail or prison life is like and having your rights taking away from you do you

Reply #19

Litebets27 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:42:31 GMT

I believe we all have stayed on point. You state in your original topic statements:Sorry, I do believe some crimes should exclude you from privledges in life.That is what the prisons are used for.Acronym007 wrote:Paying you debt does not absolve you from your past and clear your rights entirely.This sounds like a personal opinion to me. I bet if there are any members here who have served any time in prison, and they read your statement as you wrote it, they too would beg to differ with your opin... [ More ]

Reply #18

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:04:48 GMT

Todd: Perhaps you might want to close this thread to the benefit of the innocent members. I don't want things to get personal. I respect others opinions but somehow the feeling is not reciprical. For those that stayed on point thanks. Cheers,

Reply #17

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:01:19 GMT

Somehow I'm not sure you people are educated on the use of forums.1. Forums discuss topics - any related to the forum content2. I never claimed to be anything, self rightous for starting a conversation? Maybe you are stressed my freind but calling someone sefl rightous for asking a question really isn't wise.3. Who imposes there values on others in America? I hate to tell you people, perhaps you live in a land with no laws but a land with laws imposes their values on people? That's a foolsih sta... [ More ]

Reply #16

Litebets27 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:29:47 GMT

litebets

Reply #15

RJOh — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:18:23 GMT

acronym007 wrote: My question lines more so with ethical issues. I just don't think people are very ethical when it comes to imposing their values on others. Many people are just plain jealous of the people who win lotteries jackpots because they think it's unearned money. They will always come up with some so called ethical BS why some people should have that kind of money, they just can't stand someone being so lucky. RJOh

Reply #14

Litebets27 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:05:38 GMT

No, I view this as more self-righteous rather than interesting. Placing restrictions on who can claim winnings(except those who owe Child Support or Ailimony) is not what the game is about. It's not how the game is played. You seem to be implying that Lotteries should Police who is capable of using their winnings in a moral or correct and proper manner. Now this is crazy. The State Lotteries have enough problems just trying to find ways to keep us from WINNING in the first place.litebets

Reply #13

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:33:12 GMT

Like I said in my original post. I don't have the answers, just the question. I don't have a firm answer myself. It doesn't need to be thoughtout or why would we have forums like this but to explore these social issues. It's good to hear all sides, different views, others thoughts. I would recommend people in this thread take a moment to read the my original, first post. I never said I support the idea nor am I against it. It's an interesting topic for all of us to explore.... [ More ]

Reply #12

JimmySand9 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:25:27 GMT

All of the above. Unless the actual sentence says otherwise (i.e. probation), once you leave jail, you should be able to whatever legal thing you want to do. That's my opinion.

Reply #11

Litebets27 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:23:09 GMT

Acronym007Who do you think, from the following examples, should be able to claim a winning Jackpot?A. A welfare mom who sell her food stamps to play the MM.B. A bankrupt couple from a respectable neighborhood.C. A gambler who spends his rent money to play the big game.D. A Bank Executive who just happen to lay a dollar down just for jokes.E. A drug addict whose been clean for a year.F. A group of Doctors who pooled $1000.00 to hit a big Jackpot.G. An ex-con that was just released after a 10 year... [ More ]

Reply #10

orangeman — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:56:12 GMT

If they had a boatload of money, they might mend their ways. Then again, maybe not . . .Orangeman

Reply #9

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:42:39 GMT

That sounds like it was a bad business move. My question lines moreso with ethical issues. Sales would not drop if criminals couldn't play. They would just get their mom to buy tickets but at least they couldn't collect it themselves and if caught they woould have to pay back. It's a novel idea, I bet we will see things like this in the future. Just my guess. Some lawmakers will grow tired of drug dealers spending winners and make a law. Like I said in my earlier post I'm kinda torn.... [ More ]

Reply #8

RJOh — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:35:23 GMT

acroym007,I agree, the States can impose such rules. Some years back Ohio had a rule that a lottery ticket could only collect an amount equal to a $20M annuity regardless of the jackpot size. When their sales went down, they eliminated that rule, but their sales never came back to the level they were before that rule and their lottery jackpots are a lot smaller these days.RJOh

Reply #7

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:25:40 GMT

I think only unasked questions are stupid questions. The state or government can impose such laws if they chose, it's not far fetched.

Reply #6

BaristaExpress — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:24:48 GMT

Here is something for you to chew on! Read it and then say if Justice was done or not!4:20 pm - Drug dealer must forfeit lottery jackpot. A Mexican citizen must forfeit about $2.75 million in Texas lottery winnings because of his drug-trafficking conviction, a federal appeals court said on Wednesday.

Reply #5

RJOh — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:23:07 GMT

Why should there be a question of whether everyone who's allowed to buy a lottery ticket be allowed to collect their lottery winnings? Sounds like a stupid question to me. I can understand if they owe the State money for taxes or child support and etc., subtracting it from their winnings and giving them the rest.

Reply #4

Down — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:42:18 GMT

i think they should be able to collect the jackpot, there are no rules to say who can and can't play

Reply #3

bellyache — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:34:17 GMT

But who decides which criminals can purchase a ticket and which can't? I think if you have served your time and you are no longer in prison/jail and you purchase a ticket with good money, then you should be able to keep a lottery prize if you win. Same as everyone else.

Reply #2

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:24:48 GMT

I'm not so sure it's a penalty. For example, allot of felons still have rules to follow. If your a felon, commited a crime with a weapon you may no longer have the right to bear arms. If you are a molestor, you might have to stay away from schools. So, in essense not all freedoms are returned and rightfully so. So, that's why this question begs to be asked. I mean I haven't seen any amount money make a criminal a better person. Perhaps there is one but I know of none.

Reply #1

Todd — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:17:57 GMT

Anyone who pays their dollar has a right, as far as I'm concerned. Prisoners who have been released have paid their debt to society, so why should they continue to be penalized

Should criminals collect jackpots?

acronym007 — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:12:08 GMT

Ok, this is a very deep question, but a fair one. I was reading the Lottery Post news and came across the story of the jackpot winner that was career criminal and he recently hung himself. Do you feel criminals have the right to collect the jackpot? I'll be honest I'm torn on this issue. On one hand they paid a debt society on the other hand giving a felon the means to commit more crimes with the ability to afford a better lawyer is tough. On a similiar note; I don't think Jamal Lewis should pla... [ More ]